subject:"Re\: \[MBZ\] check engine light\?\?"

Amen to the heater controls that actually work and the best washer 
system ever developed.  Things I miss most about 110s in the 123, 
124, and 126 and all the DEETriot iron.



You must have one of them thar new-fangled W123 Mercedes, the ones 
that have something called 'climate control' where the heater and 
A/C should be.  Don't forget with a W115, we are talking about a 
car that has a mechanical windshield washer!  You operate it by 
pumping a floor pedal with your left foot.  Simple.  Old school.


:)

Tom Schuch
SE Connecticut
1975 300D W115
and a half dozen BMWs




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Re: [MBZ] check engine light??

2010-05-20 Thread Curt Raymond

Piffle, my 240D has manual climate control, dual zone no less...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 22:51:16 -0400
From: tom tomscat tomsc...@hotmail.com
To: mercedes diesel mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] check engine light??
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Becker
(Europa, I think).  Old style, push button analog.  I may upgrade to an
old Blaupunkt (complete with cassette player or, wait is it an
8-track?) that I have on the shelf but not in any rush to do it
until I replace the antenna.  

You must have one of
them thar new-fangled W123 Mercedes, the ones that have something
called 'climate control' where the heater and A/C should be.  Don't
forget with a W115, we are talking about a car that has a
mechanical windshield washer!  You operate it by pumping a floor pedal
with your left foot.  Simple.  Old school.

:)

Tom Schuch
SE Connecticut
1975 300D W115
and a half dozen BMWs 

Message: 3
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 12:39:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] check engine light??
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I don't remember the radio in your car Tom but all 3 of mine have digital 
tuners. Thats probably got a computer right?

Curt

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Re: [MBZ] check engine light??

And mine does not work worth a darn. Seems whenever I check it in the garage, 
it works fairly well, but once I am
on the street, I have difficulty getting any fluid to the windshield and end up 
with the wipers running on the dry
glass.

Randy

-Original Message-

You must have one of them thar new-fangled W123 Mercedes, the ones that have 
something called 'climate control'
where the heater and A/C should be.  Don't forget with a W115, we are 
talking about a car that has a mechanical
windshield washer!  You operate it by pumping a floor pedal with your left 
foot.  Simple.  Old school.

:)

Tom Schuch
SE Connecticut
1975 300D W115
and a half dozen BMWs






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Re: [MBZ] check engine light??

Mine does not appear to leak at the floor level but it is not pumping the way 
it ought to.

Randy

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 with a W115, we are talking about a car that has a mechanical 
 windshield washer!  You operate it by pumping a floor pedal with your 
 left foot.  Simple.  Old school.

Washes your toes as often as not.  Repair bladder NLA.
Mine's got Shoe Goo on it.

-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] check engine light??

2010-05-20 Thread Mitch Haley


R A Bennell wrote:

And mine does not work worth a darn. Seems whenever I check it in the garage, 
it works fairly well,


Can you adjust it to hit the top of the windscreen at rest, then a little 
headwind will bring it in line? Or maybe a new check valve in the supply line 
would allow you to stomp more pressure to the nozzle?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] check engine light??

2010-05-20 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 R A Bennell wrote:

 And mine does not work worth a darn. Seems whenever I check it in the
 garage, it works fairly well,


 Can you adjust it to hit the top of the windscreen at rest, then a little
 headwind will bring it in line?


Isn't it the other way around?  IIRC the official aiming instructions for
the 124 in the FSM tell you to aim the nozzles to hit about halfway or maybe
two-thirds of the way up the windshield as a compromise, since at high
speeds airflow will pull the stream upwards, and at low speeds gravity will
do the opposite.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] check engine light??

It hits the window fine when it pumps at all. The problem is that it often just 
does not deliver any fluid at all.
Yesterday morning I wanted to rinse the accumulated dust off and I pressed the 
pump a dozen times and got nothing.
I believe there is fluid in the tank but will check.

Randy

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Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:11 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] check engine light??


R A Bennell wrote:
 And mine does not work worth a darn. Seems whenever I check it in the garage, 
 it works fairly well,

Can you adjust it to hit the top of the windscreen at rest, then a little
headwind will bring it in line? Or maybe a new check valve in the supply line
would allow you to stomp more pressure to the nozzle?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] check engine light??


Much better than the ACC junk MBNA foisted on us.



Piffle, my 240D has manual climate control, dual zone no less...

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] check engine light??

2010-05-20 Thread Donald Snook

Sorry to get us back on topic, but I am still trying to figure out how to check 
the codes on my 1995 E320.  Is the group wisdom that I need to get a code 
reader?

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] check engine light??

Is there a spot to plug it in? Most of the code readers don't work on pre 96 
vehicles. They were OBDI and the newer
version is OBDII. I think that some of the older OBDI units could be made to 
flash the dash lights and one could
read the codes in that manner. Have never done it so am speaking from memory of 
things read on the net etc.


Now OBDII is sort of interesting. Plug in the scan tool and it tells you what 
to look for. Some of the fancier
units will give a data stream while the engine is running and being driven. My 
inexpensive one will not do that.
Engine must be off if I recall and it just tells me what code was set and lets 
me delete and reset if I wish so
that I can see if it happens again.

My son just replaced the O2 sensor on the Maxima on Sunday. It kept setting the 
code and he would reset it but he
was concerned that he my cause harm to the cat if he left it doing that for 
very long so I picked up the sensor for
him and it seems to have solved the problem.

Remember that the code is only a hint at what is wrong. I had codes on my 
Supercrew a  couple of years back and it
did tell me what was bad but not in a way that meant much to me. I changed out 
several COPs before I learned that
there was a bare wire shorting the poor things to ground and frying them. After 
a couple I started looking to see
what was up but in the interim had swapped one to the next cylinder and as such 
ended up with 2 dead ones.

Randy

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Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 1:15 PM
To: 'Mercedes@okiebenz.com'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] check engine light??


Sorry to get us back on topic, but I am still trying to figure out how to check 
the codes on my 1995 E320.  Is the
group wisdom that I need to get a code reader?

Donald H. Snook


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Re: [MBZ] check engine light??

2010-05-20 Thread Mitch Haley


It sounds like the e320 is supposed to have a code readout gizmo near the 
battery?

http://www.justanswer.com/questions/1p1rw-check-engine-light-on-1995-e320-engine-code-box-at-battery

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Re: [MBZ] check engine light??

I don't think the 95 E320 is much different than a 94 E320.  You 
don't need a reader.  It is not ODBII.  Take a picture of the right 
inner fender area and send it to me.  Maybe I can figure out the code 
dealie from the picture.  The cover is a 2 or 3mm thick piece of 
plastic from what I could gather.  The cover on ours was gone.



Sorry to get us back on topic, but I am still trying to figure out 
how to check the codes on my 1995 E320.  Is the group wisdom that I 
need to get a code reader?


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] check engine light??

That is what I have been telling Snook, but he can't find it.  I 
called it near the shock tower, but that is also near the battery.



It sounds like the e320 is supposed to have a code readout gizmo 
near the battery?


http://www.justanswer.com/questions/1p1rw-check-engine-light-on-1995-e320-engine-code-box-at-battery

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Re: [MBZ] check engine light??

For Snook: Your car has a built-in led/sw at the diagnostic plug for
code retrieval...It's right there next to the right corner of the
battery on the right-side firewall that separates the battery from
the engine, a little black box with white numbers from 1 to 16. On
number two, there is a button. That is the button you press down and
hold for 4 seconds. To the right of this button is a little round
light. That is the LED that will flash.

Turn on key and push button - hold for 4 secs, release and count the
reply code flashes--- continue until all are flashed and original
repeats. One flash means No Codes Stored.

Code list:

1 No malfunction in system monitored
2 Heated O2 sensor inoperative
3 Lambda control inoperative
4 Air injection inoperative
5 Exhaust gas recirculation inoperative
6 Idle speed control inoperative
7 Ignition system defective
8 Engine coolant temp. sensor, open/short circuit
9 Intake air temp. sensor, open/short circuit
10 Voltage at hot wire mass air flow sensor too high/low
11 TN-signal (rpm) at engine control module (N3/4) defective
12 Heated O2 sensor heater, open/short circuit
15 Wide open throttle information defective
21 Bad Purge Switch-Over Valve
22- cam posistion sens. signal defect
23-intake man. pressure low
24- starter ring gear segments defect
25- knock sens
26- upshift delay SOV valve open/shorted
27-Deviation between coolant temp sensor circuits 1 2
28- coolant temp sens.

It sounds like the e320 is supposed to have a code readout gizmo
near the battery?

http://www.justanswer.com/questions/1p1rw-check-engine-light-on-1995-e320-engine-code-box-at-battery

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Re: [MBZ] check engine light??

2010-05-20 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin


yes, you will need one.

Donald Snook wrote:

Sorry to get us back on topic, but I am still trying to figure out how to check 
the codes on my 1995 E320.  Is the group wisdom that I need to get a code 
reader?

Donald H. Snook

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91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 
85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, 
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Re: [MBZ] check engine light??

2010-05-20 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin


not all of them have it

Dieselhead wrote:
That is what I have been telling Snook, but he can't find it.  I 
called it near the shock tower, but that is also near the battery.



It sounds like the e320 is supposed to have a code readout gizmo near 
the battery?


http://www.justanswer.com/questions/1p1rw-check-engine-light-on-1995-e320-engine-code-box-at-battery 



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91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D,
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Re: [MBZ] check engine light??

2010-05-20 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

you have to have one to read the codes, there are 3 wires to it 
that you

plug in depending on which system you want to check.  Look on ebay,
there is the lest light on there usually, or you can probably make 
one

pretty easy.

Dieselhead wrote:
I don't think the 95 E320 is much different than a 94 E320.  You don't 
need a reader.  It is not ODBII.  Take a picture of the right inner 
fender area and send it to me.  Maybe I can figure out the code dealie 
from the picture.  The cover is a 2 or 3mm thick piece of plastic from 
what I could gather.  The cover on ours was gone.



Sorry to get us back on topic, but I am still trying to figure out 
how to check the codes on my 1995 E320.  Is the group wisdom that I 
need to get a code reader?


Donald H. Snook

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91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D,
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Re: [MBZ] check engine light??

2010-05-19 Thread Dieselhead


Thanks, Tim for the reality check.

That started my day with a good laugh!

240Ds forever!



What is a 'check engine light'?

Computer??  In a car???  Well, now I have heard everything!

:)

Tom Schuch

SE Connecticut

1975 300D W115

and a half dozen BMWs (with CEL and computers)

;)









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?ctually, the normal reason you get a check engine light is that
the computer cannot control the mixture. Time to check for vacuum
leaks, manifold cracks (if you have a plastic manifold), and leaks
between the air flow sensor and the throttle body.

My brother in law replaced all four O2 sensors on his used BMW and it
drove terribly, died all the time when you let the clutch out,
bucked, you name it. Finally found an experienced mechanic who
determined that the crack in the air duct between the air flow sensor
and the throttle body was causing erratic mixture control, lighting
up the CEL and setting O2 failure codes. New duct for $80 or so
fixed it permanently.

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Re: [MBZ] Check Engine Light

2010-05-19 Thread Donald Snook

John R. wrote: What do your fuses look like? How about your grounds and 
biodegrading
wiring harness?

I have not checked.  The only thing I know is that when the headgasket was 
replaced in January of 2009, they inspected the wiring harness and said it 
looked good.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Check Engine Light

2010-05-19 Thread Donald Snook

Dieselhead wrote: Snook's E320 has a button and an LED under the hood.  You 
push the
button and the led flashes to give you the code.  Then I think you
hold the button down for a long time to clear the code.  It is on the
passenger side, near the right side strut mounting, just in front of
the firewall. The code give some clues about what is wrong, but it is an art to
figure out what is REALLY the root cause.

I had no idea that this was there.  I will look at lunch and see if I can get 
the code.


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] check engine light??

2010-05-19 Thread Curt Raymond

I don't remember the radio in your car Tom but all 3 of mine have digital 
tuners. Thats probably got a computer right?

Curt

Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 08:24:05 -0400
From: tom tomscat tomsc...@hotmail.com
To: mercedes diesel mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] check engine light??
Message-ID: bay109-w11bc2fafddbd2002b496348d...@phx.gbl
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What is a 'check engine light'?

Computer??  In a car???  Well, now I have heard everything!

:)

Tom Schuch

SE Connecticut

1975 300D W115

and a half dozen BMWs (with CEL and computers)

;)

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Re: [MBZ] check engine light??

2010-05-19 Thread R A Bennell

I have a 115 300D as well and I could send you a photo of the hole in the dash 
where I am supposed to install a
radio if I ever get to it. The closest thing to a computer in my car is my cell 
phone if I don't forget and leave
it at home.

Randy

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I don't remember the radio in your car Tom but all 3 of mine have digital 
tuners. Thats probably got a computer
right?

Curt

Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 08:24:05 -0400
From: tom tomscat tomsc...@hotmail.com
To: mercedes diesel mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] check engine light??
Message-ID: bay109-w11bc2fafddbd2002b496348d...@phx.gbl
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1


What is a 'check engine light'?

Computer??  In a car???  Well, now I have heard everything!

:)

Tom Schuch

SE Connecticut

1975 300D W115

and a half dozen BMWs (with CEL and computers)

;)



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Re: [MBZ] check engine light??

2010-05-19 Thread Jim Cathey

with a W115, we are talking about a car that has a mechanical 
windshield washer!  You operate it by pumping a floor pedal with your 
left foot.  Simple.  Old school.


Washes your toes as often as not.  Repair bladder NLA.
Mine's got Shoe Goo on it.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Check Engine Light

2010-05-18 Thread R A Bennell

I think it is just spelled phonetically. What it is trying to tell you is SELL. 
You would, of course be doing that
soon in any event. It is just a friendly reminder courtesy of the MB folks.

Randy

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Donald Snook
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 9:23 AM
To: 'Mercedes@okiebenz.com'
Subject: [MBZ] Check Engine Light


The CEL on my 1995 E320 was on yesterday.  I had to go to several places 
yesterday for work and drove almost 400
miles.  About ¾ of the way through my day, I noticed that the check engine 
light came on.   So, the next time we
stopped, I went ahead and disconnected the battery to clear the code and it 
worked.  The light did not come back on
during the rest of the trip. I drove about another 110 miles with no problems.  
Then, this morning, on my way to
work, it came back on again.So, here are my questions:

IS there one particular fault that happens on this cars most of the time?   
When I disconnected the battery, I
forgot, it would set the code on the radio.  So, how do I get the unlock code?

Any ideas would be great.  Thanks,

Donald H. Snook



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Re: [MBZ] Check Engine Light

What codes were on it?  You read the light 
flashes, then clear the codes under the hood.  I 
don't remember the codes, but you can find them 
on the internet.  Seems to me that 4, 5 and 9 are 
common and often appear and disappear without 
reason.


It has to do with the air pump (4 or 5) and then 
the other codes pop because there is an error in 
the signal from the air pump, although the air 
pump is working ok.


If you are really nice to Rusty and send him the 
VIN, he can send you the radio code.


You are acting like a GM parts changer, not with 
the finesse of an MB enthusiast!  ; )




The CEL on my 1995 E320 was on yesterday.  I had 
to go to several places yesterday for work and 
drove almost 400 miles.  About ¾ of the way 
through my day, I noticed that the check engine 
light came on.   So, the next time we stopped, I 
went ahead and disconnected the battery to clear 
the code and it worked.  The light did not come 
back on during the rest of the trip. I drove 
about another 110 miles with no problems.  Then, 
this morning, on my way to work, it came back on 
again.So, here are my questions:


IS there one particular fault that happens on 
this cars most of the time?   When I 
disconnected the battery, I forgot, it would set 
the code on the radio.  So, how do I get the 
unlock code?


Any ideas would be great.  Thanks,

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Check Engine Light

2010-05-18 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 What codes were on it?  You read the light flashes, then clear the codes
 under the hood.  I don't remember the codes, but you can find them on the
 internet.

 I bought a code reader for Benzes that have the round many-pin diagnostic
connector under the hood (both pre-and post- OBDII) for $20 or so off
fleaBay.  Came with a list of codes that included lots of Benz-specific ones
(not just generic OBDII codes).  Easier than counting the flashes.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Check Engine Light

2010-05-18 Thread WILTON

Radio unlock code much like getting a key - usually via VIN, registration, 
etc., at stealership, but I  think somebody on list (Jim C. or OK Don?) has 
a way via some web site.


Wilton
87 300D (no radio code needed)
91 350SDL (radio code written on first page of owner's manual by me when I 
bought it 15 yrs ago)

(BTW, it doesn't say radio code, but I know that's what it is.)

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com

To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 11:23 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Check Engine Light


The CEL on my 1995 E320 was on yesterday.  I had to go to several places 
yesterday for work and drove almost 400 miles.  About ¾ of the way through 
my day, I noticed that the check engine light came on.   So, the next time 
we stopped, I went ahead and disconnected the battery to clear the code and 
it worked.  The light did not come back on during the rest of the trip. I 
drove about another 110 miles with no problems.  Then, this morning, on my 
way to work, it came back on again.So, here are my questions:


IS there one particular fault that happens on this cars most of the time? 
When I disconnected the battery, I forgot, it would set the code on the 
radio.  So, how do I get the unlock code?


Any ideas would be great.  Thanks,

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Check Engine Light

2010-05-18 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310

You don't need any code reader for the later 124 MBs like Snook's. 
You push a button and it flashes a light.  You count the flashes to 
get the codes.  (4 flashes = code 4)





On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:


 What codes were on it?  You read the light flashes, then clear the codes
 under the hood.  I don't remember the codes, but you can find them on the
 internet.

 I bought a code reader for Benzes that have the round many-pin diagnostic

connector under the hood (both pre-and post- OBDII) for $20 or so off
fleaBay.  Came with a list of codes that included lots of Benz-specific ones
(not just generic OBDII codes).  Easier than counting the flashes.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Check Engine Light

Is that a gasser-only feature, the push-button-for-code?  Where's the
button?

-Max 

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 1:08 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Check Engine Light

You don't need any code reader for the later 124 MBs like Snook's. 
You push a button and it flashes a light.  You count the flashes to get
the codes.  (4 flashes = code 4)

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
wrote:

  What codes were on it?  You read the light flashes, then clear the
codes
  under the hood.  I don't remember the codes, but you can find them
on the
  internet.

  I bought a code reader for Benzes that have the round many-pin
diagnostic
connector under the hood (both pre-and post- OBDII) for $20 or so off
fleaBay.  Came with a list of codes that included lots of Benz-specific
ones
(not just generic OBDII codes).  Easier than counting the flashes.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Check Engine Light

I've not been under the hood of a Diesel newer than 87.   On the 94 
E320, it is passenger side, near the shock/strut mount.  Makes sense 
that it is gasser only.  Most of the crap it checks is not on a 
Diesel.





Is that a gasser-only feature, the push-button-for-code?  Where's the
button?

-Max

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 1:08 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Check Engine Light

You don't need any code reader for the later 124 MBs like Snook's.
You push a button and it flashes a light.  You count the flashes to get
the codes.  (4 flashes = code 4)




On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com

wrote:



  What codes were on it?  You read the light flashes, then clear the

codes

  under the hood.  I don't remember the codes, but you can find them

on the

  internet.

  I bought a code reader for Benzes that have the round many-pin

diagnostic

connector under the hood (both pre-and post- OBDII) for $20 or so off
fleaBay.  Came with a list of codes that included lots of Benz-specific

ones

(not just generic OBDII codes).  Easier than counting the flashes.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Check Engine Light

2010-05-18 Thread Donald Snook

Randy wrote: I think it is just spelled phonetically. What it is trying to 
tell you is SELL. You would, of course be doing that soon in any event. It is 
just a friendly reminder courtesy of the MB folks.

This car is too nice and with such low miles, I couldn't sell it to this group 
for what the list would pay for it! :)  I'm keeping it, I really like it!

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Check Engine Light

2010-05-18 Thread Donald Snook

Dieselhead wrote: You don't need any code reader for the later 124 MBs like 
Snook's.
You push a button and it flashes a light.  You count the flashes to
get the codes.  (4 flashes = code 4)

I didn't know about this.  What button?  How do I check the codes.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Check Engine Light

2010-05-18 Thread R A Bennell

Have we not heard that song before??

Randy

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Donald Snook
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:17 PM
To: 'Mercedes@okiebenz.com'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Check Engine Light

Randy wrote: I think it is just spelled phonetically. What it is trying to 
tell you is SELL. You would, of course
be doing that soon in any event. It is just a friendly reminder courtesy of the 
MB folks.

This car is too nice and with such low miles, I couldn't sell it to this group 
for what the list would pay for it!
:)  I'm keeping it, I really like it!

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Check Engine Light

2010-05-18 Thread Walt Zarnoch

Easiest way to fix it is to find the light and pull it. ;)

I personally like the older mitsu mightymax's, the CEL was tied to the
odometer, and had a switch behind an escussion plate to flip it off for
another X thousand miles

Walt

On May 18, 2010 4:58 PM, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote:

Have we not heard that song before??

Randy


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Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:17 PM...

Randy wrote: I think it is just spelled phonetically. What it is trying to
tell you is SELL. You wo...
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Re: [MBZ] Check Engine Light

2010-05-18 Thread John Reames

What do your fuses look like? How about your grounds and biodegrading  
wiring harness?


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On May 18, 2010, at 17:06, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote:


Easiest way to fix it is to find the light and pull it. ;)

I personally like the older mitsu mightymax's, the CEL was tied to the
odometer, and had a switch behind an escussion plate to flip it off  
for

another X thousand miles

Walt

On May 18, 2010 4:58 PM, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote:

Have we not heard that song before??

Randy


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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Donald Snook
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:17 PM...

Randy wrote: I think it is just spelled phonetically. What it is  
trying to

tell you is SELL. You wo...
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Re: [MBZ] Check Engine Light

2010-05-18 Thread Peter Frederick

åctually, the normal reason you get a  check engine light is that  
the computer cannot control the mixture.  Time to check for vacuum  
leaks, manifold cracks (if you have a plastic manifold), and leaks  
between the air flow sensor and the throttle body.


My brother in law replaced all four O2 sensors on his used BMW and it  
drove terribly, died all the time when you let the clutch out,  
bucked, you name it.  Finally found an experienced mechanic who  
determined that the crack in the air duct between the air flow sensor  
and the throttle body was causing erratic mixture control, lighting  
up the CEL and setting O2 failure codes.  New duct for $80 or so  
fixed it permanently.


Peter
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Re: [MBZ] Check Engine Light

2010-05-18 Thread Jim Cathey


I personally like the older mitsu mightymax's, the CEL was tied to the
odometer, and had a switch behind an escussion plate to flip it off for
another X thousand miles


The early system as used in my '82 380 SL is really stupid.
An odometer roller flips a hall-effect switch that causes it
to blow a microfuse inside the speedometer, which causes the
light to go on, permanently!  You have to partially disassemble
the speedometer, realign the roller, and replace the fuse in
order to turn off the light.  Naturally, even the official
repair now is to simply remove the light bulb!

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Check Engine Light

Donald,  This is a listing of the codes for an S500, but they appear 
to be the same as I remember for E320.  I don't have an E320 anymore, 
so I can't  take pictures of the unit.  There is an LED and a 
pushbutton to read the flashes.  I think it is supposed to have a 
cover, but mine didn't have a cover. 



DTC Readout
Possible Cause
Remedy
1
No Faults in System
-
2
Heated oxygen sensor inoperative
Test LH-SFI unit
3
Lambda control inoperative
Test LH-SFI unit
4
Air injection inoperative
Test LH-SFI unit
5
Exhaust gas recirculation inoperative
Test LH-SFI unit
6
Idle speed control inoperative
Test electronic accelerator
7
Ignition system defective
Test distributor igntion system
8
Engine coolant temperature sensor, open/short
Test LH-SFI unit
9
Intake air temperature sensor, open/short
Test LH-SFI unit
10
Voltage at mass air flow sensor too high/low
Test LH-SFI unit
11
TN-signal (rpm) at LH-SFI control module (N3/1) defective
Test LH-SFI unit
12
Heated oxygen sensor heater, open/short circuit
Test LH-SFI unit
13
Camshaft position sensor signal of ignition control module (N1/3) defective
Test LH-SFI unit
14
Intake manifold pressure at start in N1/3 too low/high
Test LH-SFI unit
15
Wide open throttle information defective
Test LH-SFI unit
16
Closed throttle position information defective
Test electronic accelerator
17
Data exchange malfunction between individual control modules
Test DM Step: 7.0
18
Adjustable camshaft timing solenoid, open/short circuit
Test LH-SFI unit
19
Fuel injectors open/short or self-adaptation in LH-SFI control module 
(N3/1) at limit

Test LH-SFI unit and reset adaptation to mean value
20
Speed signal not present
Test electronic accelerator
21
Purge switchover valve, open/short circuit
Test LH-SFI unit
22
Camshaft position sensor signal defective
Test distributor system
23
Intake manifold pressure in N1/3 with engine running too high/low
Vacuum supply to N1/3; Test distributor ignition system
24
Start ring gear segments and/or crankshaft position sensor defective
Test distributor system
25
Knock sensors or ignition control module defective
Test distributor system
26
Upshift delay 1 to 2 (model 123.034) , 2 to 3 (all models)
Test LH-SFI unit
27
Engine coolant temperature sensor deviation between sensor ckt 1 and 
sensor ckt 2

Test LH-SFI unit
28
Engine coolant temperature sensor (coolant temperature change monitor
Test LH-SFI unit




Dieselhead wrote: You don't need any code reader for the later 124 
MBs like Snook's.

You push a button and it flashes a light.  You count the flashes to
get the codes.  (4 flashes = code 4)

I didn't know about this.  What button?  How do I check the codes.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Check Engine Light