date:20131027

Well, my current Mac Mini is a Core Duo, so it's pretty up to date.  Even
have two screens running on it. :)




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 i actually use mine for EVERYTHING, but i have the advantage of having a
 quad G5 with 8 gig, so no shortage of power.  nothing to speak of by
 current standards but adequate


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 wrote:

  I still have an imac g-3 under power  i mostly use it for some old
  files that i print occasionally that are in pagemaker  for some
 reason
  the pagemaker won't make .pdf  files of them
 
  we have a couple or maybe 3 floating screen imacs (g-4) hooked up to a
  film scanner and around the office
 
  most of the real work is done on a pair of macbook core 2 duo machines
 
  on the road i use a macbook and an ipad  with 3g (one of the original
 ones
  which are WAY cheap now and pretty great)
  thanks,
 
  xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] old macs

you run a second monitor how?


On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 3:07 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel marme...@gmail.comwrote:

 Well, my current Mac Mini is a Core Duo, so it's pretty up to date.  Even
 have two screens running on it. :)




 On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 12:15 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  i actually use mine for EVERYTHING, but i have the advantage of having a
  quad G5 with 8 gig, so no shortage of power.  nothing to speak of by
  current standards but adequate
 
 
  On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 1:12 AM, Rick Hawkins Java macj...@aol.com
  wrote:
 
   I still have an imac g-3 under power  i mostly use it for some old
   files that i print occasionally that are in pagemaker  for some
  reason
   the pagemaker won't make .pdf  files of them
  
   we have a couple or maybe 3 floating screen imacs (g-4) hooked up to a
   film scanner and around the office
  
   most of the real work is done on a pair of macbook core 2 duo machines
  
   on the road i use a macbook and an ipad  with 3g (one of the original
  ones
   which are WAY cheap now and pretty great)
   thanks,
  
   xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] old macs

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 you run a second monitor how?


HDMI output for one monitor,  DVI for the other.

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Re: [MBZ] old macs

i don't get it.  there is only one plug.  you split it between 2 monitors?



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 On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 2:15 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

  you run a second monitor how?
 

 HDMI output for one monitor,  DVI for the other.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Bilateral Knee Replacement

2013-10-27 Thread Dwight Giles

Thanks Greg this is helpful. I am going to print it out and take it with me
on thursday when I go see orthopedic surgeon for 2nd opinion on my
knees.Not sure I have courage to get both done at once. In any case I will
get right one done soon-probably at end of the semester.
Dwight

Dwight
On Oct 27, 2013 12:54 AM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net wrote:

 Okay, so I started having some problems with my knees about 7 years ago,
 and
 it became serious enough that I saw an orthopedic surgeon at my local
 medical group (The Vancouver Clinic).  I got Casey Cornelius, an earnest
 and
 intelligent young man.  He did x-rays and MRIs, and pronounced my knee
 joints and menisci a mess.  He said that the only surgical solution would
 be
 total replacement, but that he could not recommend that for me as I was too
 young.  He said that my anticipated lifespan considering my health status
 was much longer than the working life of replacement joints at that time.
 He recommended periodic injections of replacement synovial fluid
 (Euflexxa),
 which I had been doing every 6 months since then with moderate improvement.

 Fast forward to a few months back.  I read on the medical news that the FDA
 had just approved a device (Trade name Oxinium) for a 30 year lifespan.  I
 made an appointment with Dr. Cornelius.  I asked him about the news item
 and
 he confirmed it.  He said that yes, the FDA had just certified it and that
 it was the only product he used.  He said he'd done about 1,000 of them in
 the past 3 years.  He said that now I was the ideal candidate for this
 surgery.

 I did some more research on the Oxinium thing.  It turns out this is a
 trade
 name for zirconium metal parts that have been surface-treated to form a
 ceramic-like coating.  I think this is a controlled oxidation process
 similar to anodizing in aluminum.  The result is a ductile zirconium
 substrate with an extremely hard and wear-resistant surface coating.  It is
 also extremely non-reactive, so not likely to cause any adverse effects in
 contact with body tissues or fluids.  The longevity of the device is more
 due to the lack of abrasion on the highly cross-linked Ultra-High Molecular
 Weight (UHMW) polyethylene that forms the cushion between the metal parts
 than the wear on the metal itself.

 I decided to do both knees at the same time for several reasons.  I knew
 that the recovery would be more difficult and painful, but I also thought
 it
 would be worse to do one after the other and prolong the inevitable.  I
 also
 had managed to max out my out-of-pocket medical costs for the year already,
 so if I could get it all done before 2014 it would lower my costs
 considerably.  Besides, the future of our medical insurance is not exactly
 predictable at this point.

 The process involves more x-rays and MRIs.  The images are sent to a
 manufacturing facility somewhere in the SE US.  They make (through some
 sort
 of CAD-CAM process) the prostheses as well as the jigs and guides used by
 the surgeon to trim off the ends of the bones.  I understand that a
 surgical
 tool similar to a multi-function DIY shop tool is used in the OR.  Dr.
 Cornelius told me that sometimes on-the-spot adjustments have to be made in
 the OR to the pre-set surgical plan, but that in my case all the
 measurements were right on the money and it all went slick.

 So far the recovery has been yes, difficult and yes, painful.  But the
 physical therapy I'm getting and all other recovery metrics are showing a
 faster than expected improvement.  I consider myself very lucky indeed to
 be
 able to avail myself of this incredible technology and a highly skilled and
 experienced surgeon.  I was in the hospital for a week at the Legacy Salmon
 Creek hospital (right across the street from The Vancouver Clinic.  They
 have a knee replacement unit that handles a lot of these surgeries with
 many
 different products.

 Greg

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 From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Greg
 Fiorentino
 Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 8:18 PM
 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
 Subject: [MBZ] OT: Bilateral Knee Replacement

 Hi All:



 I've just been through an experience that may be of interest to some of you
 who are probably in the same age group as I am (68 y.o.).  On 10/8 I
 underwent surgery to replace both knee joints and am experiencing an
 excellent recovery so far.  The events that have led me to this point have
 been full of happy coincidences, including having stumbled upon the latest
 and greatest in technology and metallurgy in knee replacement materials.



 I will be happy to provide gory details to the list if anyone is
 interested.



 Greg

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 i don't get it.  there is only one plug.  you split it between 2 monitors?

 Nope.  The newer Minis have two video outputs.  One is DVI, the other
HDMI.

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Re: [MBZ] old macs

2013-10-27 Thread dseretakis

I still have my 1988 Mac II:) it still works! 

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 27, 2013, at 1:15 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 i actually use mine for EVERYTHING, but i have the advantage of having a
 quad G5 with 8 gig, so no shortage of power.  nothing to speak of by
 current standards but adequate
 
 
 On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 1:12 AM, Rick Hawkins Java macj...@aol.com wrote:
 
 I still have an imac g-3 under power  i mostly use it for some old
 files that i print occasionally that are in pagemaker  for some reason
 the pagemaker won't make .pdf  files of them
 
 we have a couple or maybe 3 floating screen imacs (g-4) hooked up to a
 film scanner and around the office
 
 most of the real work is done on a pair of macbook core 2 duo machines
 
 on the road i use a macbook and an ipad  with 3g (one of the original ones
 which are WAY cheap now and pretty great)
 thanks,
 
 xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] it's off topic, but i'd like to point out

My main laptop for dragging to work and on trips is a TiBook 1 GHz  
(2003), and my desktop is a MDD dual G4.  I've been experimenting with  
later MacBook Pro's (reflowing the video chips), but I don't think  
they are as reliable.


Good, solid machines.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] old macs

I still have an old Mac II fx, which I got simply because it was cheap  
(surplus from my neighbor's work) and cost $10,000 new.  Works fine so  
far as I know, we used it to do the newsletter for the homebrew club  
for years until the monitor blew.  Pretty spiff for 1990:  40 MHz  
Motorola 68000 something chip, 24 MB Ram (in the days when a PC could  
only use a couple MB without drastic expense or gyrations), super VGA  
monitor.


Probably still works, but I don't have room to run it just for fun, it  
sits on the shelf in the basement next to my HyType II printer that  
quit in 1990.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] it's off topic, but i'd like to point out

I have a G4 Quicksilver sitting in the back bedroom acting as a backup machine. 
 That's about as old as mine get.

My current machine (which just recently replaced a C2D 20 iMac) is a Mac Pro 
1,1 Intel.  I want to upgrade the processors to 5355s and make it an 8 core 
machine, but I'm just not motivated to do it at this point as I don't do 
anything that requires that sort of horsepower.

I will say that adding SSD boot drives to my machines has made them quite fast.

If anyone wants my G4 I would part with it cheap.  It's just taking up space.  
Got a 15 Cinema Display, the round speakers, a RAID card with a couple of 
drives and I don't know how much memory.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] [Banned] the irony of it (watch related)

2013-10-27 Thread Andrew Strasfogel

That would be like putting a Chevy engine in a 300TD turbodiesel with a
blown motor.


On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 yeah, shane ede.  did he explain why he couldn't fix it?

 i have a guy you can contact as well, but he is sort of retired (lives on
 20 acres on the blue ridge parkway) and usually wants serious money to do a
 job

 his name is rusty tuggle.  he can fix it but you just might not want to pay
 what it costs

 http://www.antiquewatchco.com/

 why don't you just get a working watch with that movement in it and swap?
 that's what i'd look to do, at least


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 wrote:

  The guy in Toronto?  He tried to fix it but it failed soon thereafter.
  Very nice guy and well-intentioned so I didn't attempt to get a refund.
 
 
  On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   there are still watchmakers out there, but most will gouge you as they
  are
   getting fewer and further between for decades now.  call dickarde's
  friend,
   shane, if you sitll have the watch
  
  
   On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Mitchell Haley, EA m...@voyager.net
   wrote:
  
 I have my dad's Gruen Curvex vintage early '50s
   
My mom still has her Gruen, and the receipt from when she bought it
 in
   '52.
IIRC, she paid $42 for it from her savings and graduation gifts. It's
about as big as my thumbnail and the case is gold or gold filled.
   
She couldn't find anybody to clean it when it stopped 20 years ago.
I can remember when it stopped in the 1970s and I went with her to
 the
local watchmaker's shop for a cleaning and new mainspring.That guy
 must
have been 70-80 years old back then, no surprise he was gone by the
  1990s
and nobody replaced him.
   
Mitch.
   
   
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Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess

2013-10-27 Thread Andrew Strasfogel

*If that doesn't work, we use generic Lectric Shave soaked into chunks of
Magic Eraser to remove paint at work.  Works fine, doesn't damage plastic!
:D

-MMM*

I love these folk remedies.




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 Magic Eraser to remove paint at work.  Works fine, doesn't damage plastic!
 :D

 -MMM-



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  Yep
 
  Wilt
 
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  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess
 
 
   On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 22:55:01 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 
   'Worst part of it now is getting a little paint on my walker in spite
  of the small drop cloth over it.
 
 
  How about some of that latex paint goof remover stuff?
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] [Banned] the irony of it (watch related)

Finding a working movement that age is difficult, as no one has been  
having those watches serviced for quite some time.   They most often  
appear from estate sales, where the watch has been sitting in a drawer  
unused for 20 or 30 years.  They almost never run properly as  
acquired, and not having them cleaned and serviced results in  
excessive wear from dust and dirt on the pivots and subsequent need  
for searches for parts.


That said, there is no problem with swapping in a working movement,  
they aren't serialized.  Same as swapping smaller parts as far as I'm  
concerned, it's not a collector's item, it's a personal wristwatch.


Of course, one must remember that the main reason the watches end up  
in the drawer unused is that there is something wrong with them


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] [Banned] the irony of it (watch related)


Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

That would be like putting a Chevy engine in a 300TD turbodiesel with a
blown motor.


No, it'd be like buying a rusty 300TD and swapping the motor into your 300TD 
with the blown engine. The difference is the 300TD's engine has a serial number 
on it and watch movements usually don't, so nobody will know you swapped 
movements if you don't tell them.


However, unless there's really something wrong with yours, servicing yours 
probably isn't much more labor than servicing a running movement and swapping 
your hands and dial onto it.




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why don't you just get a working watch with that movement in it and swap?
that's what i'd look to do, at least




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Re: [MBZ] Versa Trailer for Mitch


Rick Knoble wrote:

http://jxn.craigslist.org/for/4144579777.html


Wow, that's the cleanest one I've seen in a long time.
Stored indoors by the look of it.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] [Banned] the irony of it (watch related)

so if you put the same movementas yours from a different watch in your
watch it would e like putting a chevy engine in a 300TD?  why would you say
this
?


On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Andrew Strasfogel
astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote:

 That would be like putting a Chevy engine in a 300TD turbodiesel with a
 blown motor.


 On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

  yeah, shane ede.  did he explain why he couldn't fix it?
 
  i have a guy you can contact as well, but he is sort of retired (lives on
  20 acres on the blue ridge parkway) and usually wants serious money to
 do a
  job
 
  his name is rusty tuggle.  he can fix it but you just might not want to
 pay
  what it costs
 
  http://www.antiquewatchco.com/
 
  why don't you just get a working watch with that movement in it and swap?
  that's what i'd look to do, at least
 
 
  On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
 astrasfo...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   The guy in Toronto?  He tried to fix it but it failed soon thereafter.
   Very nice guy and well-intentioned so I didn't attempt to get a refund.
  
  
   On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  
there are still watchmakers out there, but most will gouge you as
 they
   are
getting fewer and further between for decades now.  call dickarde's
   friend,
shane, if you sitll have the watch
   
   
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Mitchell Haley, EA 
 m...@voyager.net
wrote:
   
  I have my dad's Gruen Curvex vintage early '50s

 My mom still has her Gruen, and the receipt from when she bought it
  in
'52.
 IIRC, she paid $42 for it from her savings and graduation gifts.
 It's
 about as big as my thumbnail and the case is gold or gold filled.

 She couldn't find anybody to clean it when it stopped 20 years ago.
 I can remember when it stopped in the 1970s and I went with her to
  the
 local watchmaker's shop for a cleaning and new mainspring.That guy
  must
 have been 70-80 years old back then, no surprise he was gone by the
   1990s
 and nobody replaced him.

 Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] [Banned] the irony of it (watch related)

old watchmakers have thousands of movements and parts plus tons of it shows
up on ebay. yes, it will likely require service. it's what i would do to
solve this problem. first i'd find someone who can fix anything to
declared it unfixable. then i'd replace the movement with another of the
same type.

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Finding a working movement that age is difficult, as no one has been
having those watches serviced for quite some time. They most often appear
from estate sales, where the watch has been sitting in a drawer unused for
20 or 30 years. They almost never run properly as acquired, and not having
them cleaned and serviced results in excessive wear from dust and dirt on
the pivots and subsequent need for searches for parts.

That said, there is no problem with swapping in a working movement, they
aren't serialized. Same as swapping smaller parts as far as I'm concerned,
it's not a collector's item, it's a personal wristwatch.

Of course, one must remember that the main reason the watches end up in
the drawer unused is that there is something wrong with them

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Re: [MBZ] it's off topic, but i'd like to point out


At 11:54 PM -0400 10/26/13, Gary Hurst wrote:

basically to run an email client or it can do more than that?


Email, limited Net access and iTunes, basically.  In a pinch, I can 
do simple graphics work on it.



i had a bunch of pismos i gave away to some kid


Got a stack of junker Pismos in the garage as parts donors.

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yeah, i loved that pismo.  had 2 or 3 working ones and a few parts ones.  i
wish someone built a machine like that today.  i liked how you could either
plug in a drive or an extra battery  :)

i also had some small investment in PCMCIA stuff.  not sure what happened
to that.  probably in the ex wife's garage


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 At 11:54 PM -0400 10/26/13, Gary Hurst wrote:

 basically to run an email client or it can do more than that?


 Email, limited Net access and iTunes, basically.  In a pinch, I can do
 simple graphics work on it.


  i had a bunch of pismos i gave away to some kid


 Got a stack of junker Pismos in the garage as parts donors.

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Re: [MBZ] [Banned] the irony of it (watch related)

2013-10-27 Thread Rick Knoble

On Oct 27, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 so if you put the same movementas yours from a different watch in your
 watch it would e like putting a chevy engine in a 300TD?  why would you say
 this


Andrew is a purist to a fault. He got a California engine for his 300TD and he 
had to have the catalytic converter that came with it. Even though MBUSA 
recalled and removed them, he HAD to have it. Not certain if it is a purist 
thing or a desire to lessen the carbon footprint of the car. Perhaps he can and 
will explain. Perhaps not. 

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Re: [MBZ] it's off topic, but i'd like to point out

Pismo's were great -- with two batteries, I got upwards of 8 hours of  
run time, specially after new cells in the batteries.  However, it was  
slow as molasses with Word, which I'm stuck with, and much heavier  
than the TiBook.


My TiBook is back to full function now -- I lost  a screw out of the  
top frame in the bottom, and the other one was loose under the  
keyboard, and I found the screws holding the batter connector in place  
were also loose (being a watchmaker, I tend to under rather than over  
tighten things!).  Got all that fixed and suddenly the re-celled  
battery is working properly, it doesn't lose it's time settings every  
start, and it's usable again.  Don't do all that much with it, as it  
won't support new enough software for full browsing use (I think it's  
still running 10.4.6), but for image editing of family photos, keeping  
track of beer and wine batches, and email it's great.


I could skin however decided to glue the whole darned thing together  
though, it's all failing and it's a huge pain to re-glue everything.


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Re: [MBZ] old macs

2013-10-27 Thread dseretakis

I remember when the II fx was all the rage! The only one I ever saw was in a 
graphic design studio in Camden, Maine back in the early nineties.

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 I still have an old Mac II fx, which I got simply because it was cheap 
 (surplus from my neighbor's work) and cost $10,000 new.  Works fine so far as 
 I know, we used it to do the newsletter for the homebrew club for years until 
 the monitor blew.  Pretty spiff for 1990:  40 MHz Motorola 68000 something 
 chip, 24 MB Ram (in the days when a PC could only use a couple MB without 
 drastic expense or gyrations), super VGA monitor.
 
 Probably still works, but I don't have room to run it just for fun, it sits 
 on the shelf in the basement next to my HyType II printer that quit in 1990.
 
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Re: [MBZ] [Banned] the irony of it (watch related)

ok, but his analogy is incorrect.  my suggestion is similar to replacing a
300TD engine with another 300TD engine, yet he says it is the same as a
chevrolet engine.  i'd like to know his logic


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 On Oct 27, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

  so if you put the same movementas yours from a different watch in your
  watch it would e like putting a chevy engine in a 300TD?  why would you
 say
  this


 Andrew is a purist to a fault. He got a California engine for his 300TD
 and he had to have the catalytic converter that came with it. Even though
 MBUSA recalled and removed them, he HAD to have it. Not certain if it is a
 purist thing or a desire to lessen the carbon footprint of the car. Perhaps
 he can and will explain. Perhaps not.

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Re: [MBZ] it's off topic, but i'd like to point out

Don't remember any video chips cracking off the boards or stupid stuff  
like that in those days either (self-igniting Powerbooks aside, as  
that wasn't a Apple issue, it was a Sony battery issue that persisted  
for some years).  Now they are high priced self-destructing throw- 
aways -- my family history is 20% dead in a week with new MacBooks  
over a few years, which is totally unacceptable.


Main problem is excess heat localized to the video and processor chips  
-- they run HOT unless actively cooled (by the time smcfancontrol  
initializes on my newly fixed MacBook A1211, the chip is up to 80C)  
and the thermal stress cracks the solder even when they are re- 
balled.  Bad design with totally inadequate cooling due to the silly  
demand that they be so thin.  Adding 1/4 to the height would fix it  
right up and allow a return to a design with fewer screws, etc.


Oh well, we shall see.  Not going to be significant changes in  
performance any more, so they are all pretty much commodity objects  
now -- you can still buy a MacBook with the same performance specs  
(other than more cores, which becomes valueless beyond 4 anyway) as  
mine.


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Re: [MBZ] it's off topic, but i'd like to point out

i still like big free standing desktop  units.  i dont' see how those
laptops can work out consistently


On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote:

 Don't remember any video chips cracking off the boards or stupid stuff
 like that in those days either (self-igniting Powerbooks aside, as that
 wasn't a Apple issue, it was a Sony battery issue that persisted for some
 years).  Now they are high priced self-destructing throw-aways -- my family
 history is 20% dead in a week with new MacBooks over a few years, which is
 totally unacceptable.

 Main problem is excess heat localized to the video and processor chips --
 they run HOT unless actively cooled (by the time smcfancontrol initializes
 on my newly fixed MacBook A1211, the chip is up to 80C) and the thermal
 stress cracks the solder even when they are re-balled.  Bad design with
 totally inadequate cooling due to the silly demand that they be so thin.
  Adding 1/4 to the height would fix it right up and allow a return to a
 design with fewer screws, etc.

 Oh well, we shall see.  Not going to be significant changes in performance
 any more, so they are all pretty much commodity objects now -- you can
 still buy a MacBook with the same performance specs (other than more cores,
 which becomes valueless beyond 4 anyway) as mine.

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Re: [MBZ] it's off topic, but i'd like to point out

Don't know if desktops are a habit or a requirement, but for most  
people it doesn't make any difference.  In fact, for a lot of people,  
a smart phone is all they really use.


Me, I have a couple SCSI scanners attached, two printers (and soon  
three when I get the BW R1800 fixed), so a desktop is pretty much a  
requirement.  Better memory, better processing power, etc. than the  
contemporary ones.  Since I've moved to an LCD monitor, though, there  
is very little difference between the laptop (MacBook Pro) and the  
desktop other than the SCSI connector.  Scanning is still quite slow,  
but that's a function of the scanners, not the computer.


Big honking desktop machines are probably a niche market now though,  
because the only people who really use them are doing video editing or  
heavy duty Photoshop or publishing.  Ordinary users don't need  
anywhere near the power or memory for web browsing or email, family  
pictures, etc.  Although I do have to admit there seems to be a trend  
toward more and more intensive data exchange (read crap on web pages)  
these days.


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Re: [MBZ] it's off topic, but i'd like to point out

Speaking of reballing GPUs in G5 iMacs and others, I have two 20 G5 iMacs on 
my bench that need cap replacements. I have the caps, but I don't have a 
soldering iron that is hot enough for the newer solder they used.

I should put one of those on my list

Dan

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 On Oct 27, 2013, at 2:37 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 i still like big free standing desktop  units.  i dont' see how those
 laptops can work out consistently
 
 
 On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote:
 
 Don't remember any video chips cracking off the boards or stupid stuff
 like that in those days either (self-igniting Powerbooks aside, as that
 wasn't a Apple issue, it was a Sony battery issue that persisted for some
 years).  Now they are high priced self-destructing throw-aways -- my family
 history is 20% dead in a week with new MacBooks over a few years, which is
 totally unacceptable.
 
 Main problem is excess heat localized to the video and processor chips --
 they run HOT unless actively cooled (by the time smcfancontrol initializes
 on my newly fixed MacBook A1211, the chip is up to 80C) and the thermal
 stress cracks the solder even when they are re-balled.  Bad design with
 totally inadequate cooling due to the silly demand that they be so thin.
 Adding 1/4 to the height would fix it right up and allow a return to a
 design with fewer screws, etc.
 
 Oh well, we shall see.  Not going to be significant changes in performance
 any more, so they are all pretty much commodity objects now -- you can
 still buy a MacBook with the same performance specs (other than more cores,
 which becomes valueless beyond 4 anyway) as mine.
 
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Re: [MBZ] it's off topic, but i'd like to point out

i don't know how many smartphones have 3 28 screens. i want big video and
big audio

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Don't know if desktops are a habit or a requirement, but for most people
it doesn't make any difference. In fact, for a lot of people, a smart
phone is all they really use.

Me, I have a couple SCSI scanners attached, two printers (and soon three
when I get the BW R1800 fixed), so a desktop is pretty much a requirement.
Better memory, better processing power, etc. than the contemporary ones.
Since I've moved to an LCD monitor, though, there is very little
difference between the laptop (MacBook Pro) and the desktop other than the
SCSI connector. Scanning is still quite slow, but that's a function of the
scanners, not the computer.

Big honking desktop machines are probably a niche market now though,
because the only people who really use them are doing video editing or
heavy duty Photoshop or publishing. Ordinary users don't need anywhere
near the power or memory for web browsing or email, family pictures, etc.
Although I do have to admit there seems to be a trend toward more and more
intensive data exchange (read crap on web pages) these days.

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Re: [MBZ] it's off topic, but i'd like to point out

I sold my 15 CD MacBook Pro last year to fund an iPad with LTE/3G. I got 
enough for it to buy a refurb iPad 2.

Between the iPad and my desktop I can pretty much do everything I need. I don't 
miss the laptop at all.

I would say that had I been able to find some sort of cellular arrangement for 
my HP TouchPad 
I would have stayed with it and not bothered with the iPad. I really liked that 
tablet and the a Android OS.

Dan

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 My main laptop for dragging to work and on trips is a TiBook 1 GHz (2003), 
 and my desktop is a MDD dual G4.  I've been experimenting with later MacBook 
 Pro's (reflowing the video chips), but I don't think they are as reliable.
 
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Re: [MBZ] it's off topic, but i'd like to point out

i rarely need to be away from my computer, but i think a tablet would be
adquate for me in that situation


On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 I sold my 15 CD MacBook Pro last year to fund an iPad with LTE/3G. I got
 enough for it to buy a refurb iPad 2.

 Between the iPad and my desktop I can pretty much do everything I need. I
 don't miss the laptop at all.

 I would say that had I been able to find some sort of cellular arrangement
 for my HP TouchPad
 I would have stayed with it and not bothered with the iPad. I really liked
 that tablet and the a Android OS.

 Dan

 Sent from my iPad

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 wrote:
 
  My main laptop for dragging to work and on trips is a TiBook 1 GHz
 (2003), and my desktop is a MDD dual G4.  I've been experimenting with
 later MacBook Pro's (reflowing the video chips), but I don't think they are
 as reliable.
 
  Good, solid machines.
 
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Re: [MBZ] it's off topic, but i'd like to point out

The Android OS on the HP TouchPad did everything I needed and more, and it was 
easily configurable and allowed me to tinker under the hood all I wanted. The 
was purportedly a Euro version of it that had LTE, but I've never seen one.

The only determining factor was connectivity, but to be honest, I don't really 
care for the closed environment of the iPad. I may still get a TouchPad again 
for general use around the house, as I liked it far better than the iPad.

Dan burning in Apple hell, no doubt

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 i rarely need to be away from my computer, but i think a tablet would be
 adquate for me in that situation
 
 
 On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
 
 I sold my 15 CD MacBook Pro last year to fund an iPad with LTE/3G. I got
 enough for it to buy a refurb iPad 2.
 
 Between the iPad and my desktop I can pretty much do everything I need. I
 don't miss the laptop at all.
 
 I would say that had I been able to find some sort of cellular arrangement
 for my HP TouchPad
 I would have stayed with it and not bothered with the iPad. I really liked
 that tablet and the a Android OS.
 
 Dan
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
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 wrote:
 
 My main laptop for dragging to work and on trips is a TiBook 1 GHz
 (2003), and my desktop is a MDD dual G4.  I've been experimenting with
 later MacBook Pro's (reflowing the video chips), but I don't think they are
 as reliable.
 
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Re: [MBZ] it's off topic, but i'd like to point out

Speaking of bad caps, I have a MacBook Pro that is totally inert now  
except that the battery charges.  Any chance of a blow fuse or bad cap  
on the logic board keeping it from booting?  Acts as if the logic  
board has now power, and I don't really have the tools to investigate.


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Re: [MBZ] it's off topic, but i'd like to point out


At 1:55 PM -0400 10/27/13, Gary Hurst wrote:

yeah, i loved that pismo.  had 2 or 3 working ones and a few parts ones.  i
wish someone built a machine like that today.  i liked how you could either
plug in a drive or an extra battery  :)


Yep!  With two batteries in good nick, that thing would go for ten 
hours off the  grid at a pop.


If Apple would make a CoreDuo Pismo, I'd buy one in a shot.  Damn 
things are bulletproof.


-MMM-

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Re: [MBZ] Yuppie White Dude who has not shaved pitches new Maybachish S-Klasse

That is just the car SWMBA needs for when she moves to the great white north.  
Heated everything and 4matic.  Should not see her for months

clay

On Oct 25, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

 And he forgot to take the tag out of his suit jacket too.
 
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Re: [MBZ] 1000SEL

The rear badge is upside down

clay

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Re: [MBZ] Yuppie White Dude who has not shaved pitches new Maybachish S-Klasse

2013-10-27 Thread Rich Thomas

If the unshaven dude comes with the car, she might never return, 
whichever way he drives.


--R

On 10/27/13 5:37 PM, clay wrote:

That is just the car SWMBA needs for when she moves to the great white north.  
Heated everything and 4matic.  Should not see her for months

clay

On Oct 25, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:


And he forgot to take the tag out of his suit jacket too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--wmUa4ldpgfeature=youtu.be

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Re: [MBZ] it's off topic, but i'd like to point out

Travel mac is a 2.2 core2 Duo macbook.  I tote a airport express for secured 
wifi

Desktop is a MacPro quad Xenon with 8 gig triple monitor and a bank of firewire 
externals for all my junk.

Media Mac is a 2009 MacMini hooked to a 42 Sony.  External drive has iTunes 
and ripped video.  Two terabyte holds enough music and crap.  Streams to the 
AppleTV on the big screen in the media room, as well as to #2 boy's G5 and 
iPads and iPhones.  #1 boy streams to his Sony laptop.

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Re: [MBZ] it's off topic, but i'd like to point out

yeah, that's kinda what i'm talking about.  someone finally understands!


On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 6:09 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 Travel mac is a 2.2 core2 Duo macbook.  I tote a airport express for
 secured wifi

 Desktop is a MacPro quad Xenon with 8 gig triple monitor and a bank of
 firewire externals for all my junk.

 Media Mac is a 2009 MacMini hooked to a 42 Sony.  External drive has
 iTunes and ripped video.  Two terabyte holds enough music and crap.
  Streams to the AppleTV on the big screen in the media room, as well as to
 #2 boy's G5 and iPads and iPhones.  #1 boy streams to his Sony laptop.

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[MBZ] M(ac)B question

2013-10-27 Thread Rich Thomas

Actually it is a Mac 9 question, which they call Maverick for some 
reason completely unclear, but whatever...


Is anyone using this?  I have a 2yr old imac that is running 10.6.8 and 
was thinking about installing this, but it would cost me $50 to upgrade 
Parallels to run under it, so I am not sure that is such a good idea 
even though the upgrade to the mac OS is free.  I presume everything 
else will continue working properly.


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Re: [MBZ] M(ac)B question

2013-10-27 Thread Allan Streib

Personally I'd wait until they release the next version, unless there's
something you really need in Mavericks. I like to stay one major
release behind, things are much more stable that way.



Allan





On Sun, Oct 27, 2013, at 06:18 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

Actually it is a Mac 9 question, which they call Maverick for some

reason completely unclear, but whatever...



Is anyone using this?  I have a 2yr old imac that is running 10.6.8 and

was thinking about installing this, but it would cost me $50 to upgrade

Parallels to run under it, so I am not sure that is such a good idea

even though the upgrade to the mac OS is free.  I presume everything

else will continue working properly.



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Re: [MBZ] M(ac)B question

I just built a bootloader with Chameleon to boot into Mavericks with my Mac Pro
1,1 which actually shows as a 2,1 due to the use of a firmware update.

http://batmanofzurenarh.wordpress.com/2013/06/17/install-mac-os-x-10-9-mavericks-developer-preview-on-a-mac-pro-11/

netkas does some really nice bootloader stuff for 32 bit EFI if his site ever
stays up long enough to get the information.

I'm not impressed. I have a boot drive with Mountain Lion on it as well, but I
rarely use it as I just don't see any significant reason to run it.

I wouldn't bother, unless there's some super-duper feature it has that 10.6/7/8
doesn't.

Dan

On Oct 27, 2013, at 6:28 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

Personally I'd wait until they release the next version, unless there's
something you really need in Mavericks. I like to stay one major
release behind, things are much more stable that way.

Allan

On Sun, Oct 27, 2013, at 06:18 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

Actually it is a Mac 9 question, which they call Maverick for some

reason completely unclear, but whatever...

Is anyone using this? I have a 2yr old imac that is running 10.6.8 and

was thinking about installing this, but it would cost me $50 to upgrade

Parallels to run under it, so I am not sure that is such a good idea

even though the upgrade to the mac OS is free. I presume everything

else will continue working properly.

--R

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Re: [MBZ] M(ac)B question

I have yet to attempt an install.  MacPro is too old to take it.  I might 
attempt it on the Mini after I do a full carbon copy of the disk

clay

On Oct 27, 2013, at 3:18 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

 Actually it is a Mac 9 question, which they call Maverick for some reason 
 completely unclear, but whatever...
 
 Is anyone using this?  I have a 2yr old imac that is running 10.6.8 and was 
 thinking about installing this, but it would cost me $50 to upgrade Parallels 
 to run under it, so I am not sure that is such a good idea even though the 
 upgrade to the mac OS is free.  I presume everything else will continue 
 working properly.
 
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Re: [MBZ] it's off topic, but i'd like to point out

2013-10-27 Thread Brian Toscano

My buddy still uses his G5 w/ 30 Cinema display bit admits its getting
tired.

I still have my 2007 17 MBP though it too is getting tired.  I don't need
screens to just appear, but as the software becomes more complex it gets
slower and slower.  It can't really keep up with my scanner like newer
machines.  It has been a good one considering its 6 years old.  I upgraded
the RAM and hard drive.  It has the dreaded 17 MBP battery problem and
after the 2nd one died I didn't replace it.  The motherboard was replaced
out of warranty through a NVIDIA recall program.


On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 yeah, that's kinda what i'm talking about.  someone finally understands!


 On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 6:09 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

  Travel mac is a 2.2 core2 Duo macbook.  I tote a airport express for
  secured wifi
 
  Desktop is a MacPro quad Xenon with 8 gig triple monitor and a bank of
  firewire externals for all my junk.
 
  Media Mac is a 2009 MacMini hooked to a 42 Sony.  External drive has
  iTunes and ripped video.  Two terabyte holds enough music and crap.
   Streams to the AppleTV on the big screen in the media room, as well as
 to
  #2 boy's G5 and iPads and iPhones.  #1 boy streams to his Sony laptop.
 
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Re: [MBZ] old macs

2013-10-27 Thread Jim Cathey


quad G5 with 8 gig, so no shortage of power.  nothing to speak of by
current standards but adequate


The 30 screen on my wife's is nice.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess


Popcorn ceiling is loose, at least some of the foam beads are barely attached.
I had a little helicopter toy, actually just a 8 rotor blade, weighed a couple 
of ounces, when I was a kid. If I revved it hard it would go up to the ceiling 
and hover against it for a couple of seconds before it slowed down enough to 
start descending. That little toy removed a lot of styrofoam from the ceiling in 
my bedroom when I was a kid.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Bilateral Knee Replacement


My old D.O. had his done together.
Don't know what brand of replacements he got, but he drove to my office a couple 
of days after the surgery to pick up his grandsons (my boss was his son).
He'd closed his office for the whole week and got bored after two days of 
recuperation.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess

Probably had lead and asbestos.  That explains a lot.

grin

I had a wind up tractor with rubber treads.  It had one of those wheels that 
spun against a flint and made sparks out the exhaust.

Never get that past the regulators today.

Dan

On Oct 27, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

 Popcorn ceiling is loose, at least some of the foam beads are barely attached.
 I had a little helicopter toy, actually just a 8 rotor blade, weighed a 
 couple of ounces, when I was a kid. If I revved it hard it would go up to the 
 ceiling and hover against it for a couple of seconds before it slowed down 
 enough to start descending. That little toy removed a lot of styrofoam from 
 the ceiling in my bedroom when I was a kid.
 
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Re: [MBZ] 1000SEL


Hendrik and Fay wrote:
http://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/Mercedes-Benz-560SEL-1986/AGC-AD-13909220/?Cr=3sdmvc=1 

All you need is someone to do the driving or chuck the kids in the back 
and forget about em.




Is V126 the name of the extra long 126 chassis, or does the engine have two 
banks of 63 cylinders each?


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[MBZ] it's off topic - but not Apple

2013-10-27 Thread Mountain Man

Started to watch youtube about Koch Industries - yeah, slamming the
conservatives money class spending dollars to win political position.
Is there an equal slam of the progressives money class spending
dollars to win political position?  If slam is against Koch's
spending, why no slam on... who? Soros? Gates? Buffett? Ellison?
Also, one side seems dominant in the FM radio spectrum, i.e. NPR,
progressive talk.
The other side seems dominant in the AM radio spectrum, i.e. Medved,
Rush, Hannity, etc.
Why?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Bilateral Knee Replacement

2013-10-27 Thread Allan Streib

Did you have general anesthesia or spinal block?







On Sat, Oct 26, 2013, at 11:17 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:

Hi All:







I've just been through an experience that may be of interest to some of

you

who are probably in the same age group as I am (68 y.o.).  On 10/8 I

underwent surgery to replace both knee joints and am experiencing an

excellent recovery so far.  The events that have led me to this point

have

been full of happy coincidences, including having stumbled upon the

latest

and greatest in technology and metallurgy in knee replacement
materials.







I will be happy to provide gory details to the list if anyone is

interested.







Greg



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Re: [MBZ] it's off topic - but not Apple