Re: [MBZ] Bad front end noise

2014-09-08 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

His joint was a looser

--R


On 9/7/14 10:33 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:

It will drive much better without the loose joint!

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT Weekend work

2014-09-08 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
It did not throw a code on the pump but I got a lean condition code (on 
both cylinder banks), which the webertubes suggested could be a coupla 
things, fuel pump seemed most likely at 200k+ and 14yr -- not pumping 
enough fuel/pressure.  I did not get the reader, although that w/should 
have been able to report fuel pressure in the system. I might order one 
anyway just for grins, I'm sure it will come in handy at some point and 
cheap enough.


--R


On 9/7/14 7:33 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Sounds fun...not.

Was the bad fuel pump the cause of the earlier woe?  Did it throw a code?
Did you get the blue tooth code reader?

Max Dillon,



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[MBZ] FYI 85 123.133 for sale; usable for parts

2014-09-08 Thread John Reames via Mercedes
Mainly drive-train stuff is usable; radiator and oil cooler are no good; body 
has rust-through in several places, so some body stuff might be usable.

It's in Towson, MD (21204); I thought I would give everyone here a shot at it 
before CL or the wrecker.

It was running well until it abruptly stopped, mangling the front end.

-j

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[MBZ] N

2014-09-08 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

No, not the word, the element...

I got some new tars on my truck at Costco a coupla weeks ago and noticed 
they are fitted with the green caps, they put nitrogen in them.  A 
coupla weeks ago at the Cars for Coffee event down the road the beemer 
dealer had a coupla new cars there for some reason, and looking at the 
stickers I noticed Nitrogen Tire Fill $89 on there.  Must be some 
special Hun nitrogen they use?  $89 for nitrogen in tires, WTF?  Costco 
was free.


On another note, Costco had the Bridgestones $70 off a set but did not 
have any to fit my truck so I had to go with Michelins, which were more 
spendy.  I commented to the guy that next week the Michelins would 
probably be $70 off.  Shonuff, got the new coupon book the other day, 
and Michelins are $70 off a set.  So I go to Costco, whine to the desk 
woman, and she gives me $70 in coin of the realm, just like that.  She 
said that was easier than running a credit on my bank card.  I'm sure it 
is no big deal for Costco, but I like that kind of response.


Now y'all can tell me I got the crappy Costco Michelins, which are 
different from the Michelins I would get down the road at the real tar 
shop.  But the real tire shop would use only 80% N, so Costco is 20% 
better in that regard.


--R



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Re: [MBZ] N

2014-09-08 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Tire Warehouse up here does the nitrogen fill but with it you get tire damage 
protection and whatnot. When I bought tires for the Jetta I managed to get all 
4 tires for $300 with the nitrogen/etc thrown in for free. They were super busy 
and I told the guy to answer the phone, I could wait. If you're extra nice 
people tend to be extra nice to you. Its not a skill that comes naturally to me 
;)

Which reminds me, an unnoticed bad tie rod end ruined the front tires on the 
Jetta, I need to go get 'em replaced...

-Curt



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Sent: Monday, September 8, 2014 10:20 AM
Subject: [MBZ] N
 

No, not the word, the element...

I got some new tars on my truck at Costco a coupla weeks ago and noticed 
they are fitted with the green caps, they put nitrogen in them.  A 
coupla weeks ago at the Cars for Coffee event down the road the beemer 
dealer had a coupla new cars there for some reason, and looking at the 
stickers I noticed Nitrogen Tire Fill $89 on there.  Must be some 
special Hun nitrogen they use?  $89 for nitrogen in tires, WTF?  Costco 
was free.

On another note, Costco had the Bridgestones $70 off a set but did not 
have any to fit my truck so I had to go with Michelins, which were more 
spendy.  I commented to the guy that next week the Michelins would 
probably be $70 off.  Shonuff, got the new coupon book the other day, 
and Michelins are $70 off a set.  So I go to Costco, whine to the desk 
woman, and she gives me $70 in coin of the realm, just like that.  She 
said that was easier than running a credit on my bank card.  I'm sure it 
is no big deal for Costco, but I like that kind of response.

Now y'all can tell me I got the crappy Costco Michelins, which are 
different from the Michelins I would get down the road at the real tar 
shop.  But the real tire shop would use only 80% N, so Costco is 20% 
better in that regard.

--R



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Re: [MBZ] OT Weekend work

2014-09-08 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
It did not throw a code on the pump but I got a lean condition code (on 
both cylinder banks), which the webertubes suggested could be a coupla 
things, fuel pump seemed most likely at 200k+ and 14yr -- not pumping 
enough fuel/pressure.  


So, why didn't you use it to pump the tank empty?
When you told of siphoning, I assumed the pump was totally dead.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: The secret revealed

2014-09-08 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

On 05/09/2014 7:27 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Because 4wd is really 2wd. I've been stuck with just two wheels spinning. When 
you're offroad you what every advantage you can get.

Its the same reason I won't have an AWD vehicle, I can drive into stuff in 2wd 
I can back out of in 4wd. If you drive in to a hole in 4wd and get stuck what 
have you got? Well yeah, I've got the highlift jack.
Which reminds me, I bought Dad extraction ramps for Father's day, I'm buying 
him his own highlift jack for hunting season. He got his Jeep stuck last year...


-Curt




You need a big winch on the front.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT Weekend work

2014-09-08 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Good point,  I did not think of that.  Stupid me, live and learn. Where 
were you before Saturday!?


As it turned out, it was probably quicker the way I did it, and I would 
have had to remove the filler and vent pipes anyway, so the effort was 
the same but maybe a bit more contorted.


--R


On 9/8/14 10:20 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
It did not throw a code on the pump but I got a lean condition code 
(on both cylinder banks), which the webertubes suggested could be a 
coupla things, fuel pump seemed most likely at 200k+ and 14yr -- not 
pumping enough fuel/pressure. 


So, why didn't you use it to pump the tank empty?
When you told of siphoning, I assumed the pump was totally dead.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] N

2014-09-08 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:

Now y'all can tell me I got the crappy Costco Michelins, which are 
different from the Michelins I would get down the road at the real tar 
shop.  But the real tire shop would use only 80% N, so Costco is 20% 
better in that regard.


Costco hates human rights, especially those protected by the Second Amendment to 
the Constitution. One guy, name of Erik Scott, was murdered for not knowing 
this, on his initial visit to buy a Costco membership.


I try to avoid Wal-Mart, but go there every fall to buy motor oil.
Costco, OTOH, I wouldn't patronize for anything.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: The secret revealed

2014-09-08 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Most places we go theres not much to winch to. More useful is the Highlift 
jack. Jack 'er up and stuff something (like the extraction ramps) under the 
tire.

I am considering a new bumper though, the Dodge has a huge chin and a plastic 
air dam very close to the ground. I forsee the air dam getting ripped off 
pretty early on, its only maybe 6 off the ground.

-Curt



 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Monday, September 8, 2014 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The secret revealed
 

On 05/09/2014 7:27 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
 Because 4wd is really 2wd. I've been stuck with just two wheels spinning. 
 When you're offroad you what every advantage you can get.

 Its the same reason I won't have an AWD vehicle, I can drive into stuff in 
 2wd I can back out of in 4wd. If you drive in to a hole in 4wd and get stuck 
 what have you got? Well yeah, I've got the highlift jack.
 Which reminds me, I bought Dad extraction ramps for Father's day, I'm buying 
 him his own highlift jack for hunting season. He got his Jeep stuck last 
 year...


 -Curt



You need a big winch on the front.




RB
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The secret revealed

2014-09-08 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
That chin spoiler is supposed to improve your mileage by preventing air 
from going under the truck on the highway. You need to make one that can 
be lifted or lowered depending on where you are driving. Hydraulic or 
air cylinders?


And the winch? Must be some way to make an anchor that you could drive 
into the ground so you could pull yourself free. I used to work with a 
fellow who was an avid hunter and fisherman. He drove 4 WD Suburbans and 
said if he had to choose he would take the winch rather than the 4WD.


RB

On 08/09/2014 9:52 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Most places we go theres not much to winch to. More useful is the Highlift 
jack. Jack 'er up and stuff something (like the extraction ramps) under the 
tire.

I am considering a new bumper though, the Dodge has a huge chin and a plastic air 
dam very close to the ground. I forsee the air dam getting ripped off pretty early 
on, its only maybe 6 off the ground.

-Curt



  From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, September 8, 2014 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The secret revealed
  


On 05/09/2014 7:27 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Because 4wd is really 2wd. I've been stuck with just two wheels spinning. When 
you're offroad you what every advantage you can get.

Its the same reason I won't have an AWD vehicle, I can drive into stuff in 2wd 
I can back out of in 4wd. If you drive in to a hole in 4wd and get stuck what 
have you got? Well yeah, I've got the highlift jack.
Which reminds me, I bought Dad extraction ramps for Father's day, I'm buying 
him his own highlift jack for hunting season. He got his Jeep stuck last year...


-Curt




You need a big winch on the front.




RB
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The secret revealed

2014-09-08 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:


I am considering a new bumper though, the Dodge has a huge chin and a plastic air 
dam very close to the ground. I forsee the air dam getting ripped off pretty early 
on, its only maybe 6 off the ground.


Why do you think a full size has higher EPA HWY MPG than a Ranger?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] N

2014-09-08 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
That's interesting.  I was there one day maybe a year or so ago, the guy 
in line ahead of me had a .45 in a holster on his belt, and did not look 
coppish or anything, just like a regular fat merkin good ol boy with his 
fat wife buying large quantities of fattening stuff.  I sorta wondered 
about that, but no one paid him any particular attention.  I think the 
thing to keep in mind is that Costco has plenty of stock, so there are 
not likely to be any fights over cheap DVD players or toilet paper bundles.


But yeah, the guy who owns Costco is a commie pinko librull, but, hey, 
he treats me OK.  And the fruit is good.  And concealed is probably the 
way to go anyway...


--R


On 9/8/14 10:42 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:

Now y'all can tell me I got the crappy Costco Michelins, which are 
different from the Michelins I would get down the road at the real 
tar shop.  But the real tire shop would use only 80% N, so Costco is 
20% better in that regard.


Costco hates human rights, especially those protected by the Second 
Amendment to the Constitution. One guy, name of Erik Scott, was 
murdered for not knowing this, on his initial visit to buy a Costco 
membership.


I try to avoid Wal-Mart, but go there every fall to buy motor oil.
Costco, OTOH, I wouldn't patronize for anything.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: The secret revealed

2014-09-08 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
I would think the real problem with the highlift jack is finding places 
on the truck that are not going to be damaged by the jack. About the 
only spot on my truck that I can think of where I might be able to jack 
it up without damaging the bumper etc, is the receiver hitch.


RB

On 08/09/2014 9:52 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Most places we go theres not much to winch to. More useful is the Highlift 
jack. Jack 'er up and stuff something (like the extraction ramps) under the 
tire.

I am considering a new bumper though, the Dodge has a huge chin and a plastic air 
dam very close to the ground. I forsee the air dam getting ripped off pretty early 
on, its only maybe 6 off the ground.

-Curt







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Re: [MBZ] OT: The secret revealed

2014-09-08 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
The chin spoiler and big bumper are gonna go, they're too much liability for 
what is probably minor gain. This truck gets better mileage than my Ranger did 
already, now it needs to be as good offroad, the Ranger was an excellent woods 
truck.

Winch doesn't help much when you're in the ditch. Pulling yourself forward 
won't help, pulling yourself farther into the ditch won't help. Lifting the 
truck UP and putting stuff under it will help. We've never had a winch and I've 
really never been stuck where a winch would have done me much good.
On the other hand I've gotten trucks out a couple times with Highlift jacks. 
Its a matter of matching your equipment with your situation. Ever place is 
different. Maine is much like atlantic Canada but probably unlike the Canadian 
mid-west.

I find it a mistake to generalize based on what is like in your area. What 
works for me might not work in California for instance. I almost never have to 
worry much about wildfire or being able to find water. On the other hand I 
often get caught where things are soupy.

-Curt



 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Monday, September 8, 2014 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The secret revealed
 

That chin spoiler is supposed to improve your mileage by preventing air 
from going under the truck on the highway. You need to make one that can 
be lifted or lowered depending on where you are driving. Hydraulic or 
air cylinders?

And the winch? Must be some way to make an anchor that you could drive 
into the ground so you could pull yourself free. I used to work with a 
fellow who was an avid hunter and fisherman. He drove 4 WD Suburbans and 
said if he had to choose he would take the winch rather than the 4WD.

RB




On 08/09/2014 9:52 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
 Most places we go theres not much to winch to. More useful is the Highlift 
 jack. Jack 'er up and stuff something (like the extraction ramps) under the 
 tire.

 I am considering a new bumper though, the Dodge has a huge chin and a plastic 
 air dam very close to the ground. I forsee the air dam getting ripped off 
 pretty early on, its only maybe 6 off the ground.

 -Curt


 
   From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
 To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Monday, September 8, 2014 10:28 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The secret revealed
  

 On 05/09/2014 7:27 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
 Because 4wd is really 2wd. I've been stuck with just two wheels spinning. 
 When you're offroad you what every advantage you can get.

 Its the same reason I won't have an AWD vehicle, I can drive into stuff in 
 2wd I can back out of in 4wd. If you drive in to a hole in 4wd and get stuck 
 what have you got? Well yeah, I've got the highlift jack.
 Which reminds me, I bought Dad extraction ramps for Father's day, I'm buying 
 him his own highlift jack for hunting season. He got his Jeep stuck last 
 year...


 -Curt



 You need a big winch on the front.




 RB
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The secret revealed

2014-09-08 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
No problem at all, you need lift-mate hooks 
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00042KGWG/ref=sr_ph?ie=UTF8qid=1410189480sr=1keywords=hi+lift+jack

which are such a good product I wish I'd had 'em years ago. The hooks go in the 
holes in the wheels, the jack goes on the top bar the hooks at attached to and 
you lift the wheel. It puts the jack right where you want it lifting the wheel 
which means you don't have to lift so far since you don't have to hoist the 
suspension too. The hooks can also hook around a bumper so you can jack there 
if theres nothing good to jack against under the wheel.

They also sell a big foot to put under the jack. Dad will be getting (as a 
present) a REAL Hi-Lift jack along with the foot. I have a Tractor Supply 
Tractor Jack which is decent (I have jacked up the tractor with it) but not 
as good as the real thing.

-Curt



 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
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Sent: Monday, September 8, 2014 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The secret revealed
 

I would think the real problem with the highlift jack is finding places 
on the truck that are not going to be damaged by the jack. About the 
only spot on my truck that I can think of where I might be able to jack 
it up without damaging the bumper etc, is the receiver hitch.

RB


On 08/09/2014 9:52 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
 Most places we go theres not much to winch to. More useful is the Highlift 
 jack. Jack 'er up and stuff something (like the extraction ramps) under the 
 tire.

 I am considering a new bumper though, the Dodge has a huge chin and a plastic 
 air dam very close to the ground. I forsee the air dam getting ripped off 
 pretty early on, its only maybe 6 off the ground.

 -Curt


 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: The secret revealed

2014-09-08 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
3.55 gears instead of 4.10 has something to do with it. :)

The Ranger also had a big airdam, it had the fog lights in it. The fog lights 
succumbed to the deer I hit last November. I was always surprised I never 
ripped the air dam off. The one on my Dakota came off the time I hit the jersey 
barrier along the center of 95 in a crazy snow storm I shouldn't have been out 
in.

-Curt



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Sent: Monday, September 8, 2014 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The secret revealed
 

Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

 I am considering a new bumper though, the Dodge has a huge chin and a plastic 
 air dam very close to the ground. I forsee the air dam getting ripped off 
 pretty early on, its only maybe 6 off the ground.

Why do you think a full size has higher EPA HWY MPG than a Ranger?

Mitch.




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Re: [MBZ] N

2014-09-08 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
That's interesting.  I was there one day maybe a year or so ago, the guy 
in line ahead of me had a .45 in a holster on his belt, and did not look 
coppish or anything, just like a regular fat merkin good ol boy with his 
fat wife buying large quantities of fattening stuff.  I sorta wondered 
about that, but no one paid him any particular attention.  


Official corporate policy is 'nobody NEEDS guns'.
Some stores seem to ignore it.
I was reading that a guy who shops in Spokane never had a problem until he went 
to Gig Harbor. The responses at opencarry.org were along the lines of you OC'd 
at Gig Harbor Costco and you made it though the front door.


In the Erik Scott case, the guy selling him the membership was trying to be cool 
about it, but another employee was batshit crazy against guns. THAT employee 
basically SWATted Scott the same way those two Wal-Mart shoppers SWATted the guy 
with the BB gun in Ohio this year. Both dead because 'highly trained elite' 
death squad members can't control themselves when some 'civilian' is pointing 
fingers and yelling 'gun'.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: The secret revealed

2014-09-08 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:


I have a Tractor Supply Tractor Jack which is decent (I have jacked up the 
tractor with it) but not as good as the real thing.


My dad has one of those, but I think he got his from FarmFleet, back in the day 
when they were made in USA. One time he was jacking up the haybine with it and 
for some reason put his fingers in the hitch just as the haybine fell off the 
jack. A great ortho surgeon did a great job of reassembling the fingers, they're 
not great for typing with, but they are more than 3/4 of original length and 
they sort of work.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: The secret revealed

2014-09-08 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

On 08/09/2014 10:21 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

No problem at all, you need lift-mate hooks 
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00042KGWG/ref=sr_ph?ie=UTF8qid=1410189480sr=1keywords=hi+lift+jack

which are such a good product I wish I'd had 'em years ago. The hooks go in the 
holes in the wheels, the jack goes on the top bar the hooks at attached to and 
you lift the wheel. It puts the jack right where you want it lifting the wheel 
which means you don't have to lift so far since you don't have to hoist the 
suspension too. The hooks can also hook around a bumper so you can jack there 
if theres nothing good to jack against under the wheel.

They also sell a big foot to put under the jack. Dad will be getting (as a present) a 
REAL Hi-Lift jack along with the foot. I have a Tractor Supply Tractor Jack 
which is decent (I have jacked up the tractor with it) but not as good as the real thing.

-Curt





I think I will pass on that. I like my fenders the way they are.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] N

2014-09-08 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Interesting that Kroger is taking this up. When I lived in Indiana you saw OC 
people all of the time. I don't ever recall seeing one in a Kroger, but I 
clearly recall seeing them in places like WalMart.

In fact, I was in a Walmart with my youngest son right after we moved there, 
and all of the sudden he's poking me and saying quietly, Dad, there's some guy 
with a pistol and he's not a cop!!

It was then that I had to explain open carry laws to him...

Dan

 On Sep 8, 2014, at 11:15 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
 That's interesting.  I was there one day maybe a year or so ago, the guy in 
 line ahead of me had a .45 in a holster on his belt, and did not look 
 coppish or anything, just like a regular fat merkin good ol boy with his fat 
 wife buying large quantities of fattening stuff.  I sorta wondered about 
 that, but no one paid him any particular attention.  
 
 Official corporate policy is 'nobody NEEDS guns'.
 Some stores seem to ignore it.
 I was reading that a guy who shops in Spokane never had a problem until he 
 went to Gig Harbor. The responses at opencarry.org were along the lines of 
 you OC'd at Gig Harbor Costco and you made it though the front door.
 
 In the Erik Scott case, the guy selling him the membership was trying to be 
 cool about it, but another employee was batshit crazy against guns. THAT 
 employee basically SWATted Scott the same way those two Wal-Mart shoppers 
 SWATted the guy with the BB gun in Ohio this year. Both dead because 'highly 
 trained elite' death squad members can't control themselves when some 
 'civilian' is pointing fingers and yelling 'gun'.
 
 Mitch.
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] N

2014-09-08 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
OK, I think it is time to petition WalMart to install bullet proof 
shelving so that we have some place to hide during gun battles that 
occur while we are trying to haul out the Mobil1.


RB

On 08/09/2014 11:29 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Interesting that Kroger is taking this up. When I lived in Indiana you saw OC 
people all of the time. I don't ever recall seeing one in a Kroger, but I 
clearly recall seeing them in places like WalMart.

In fact, I was in a Walmart with my youngest son right after we moved there, and all of 
the sudden he's poking me and saying quietly, Dad, there's some guy with a pistol 
and he's not a cop!!

It was then that I had to explain open carry laws to him...

Dan





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Re: [MBZ] N

2014-09-08 Thread Gary Hurst via Mercedes
costco is the best.  i don't care what his politics is.  people tell me
chick-fil-a must be banned because corporate policy hates gas . now i hear
costco is no good because they hate guns

i don't care.  i care how they do their job and both do it quite well.  i
boycott burger king, not chick-fil-a.  kirkland forever!


On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 That's interesting.  I was there one day maybe a year or so ago, the guy
 in line ahead of me had a .45 in a holster on his belt, and did not look
 coppish or anything, just like a regular fat merkin good ol boy with his
 fat wife buying large quantities of fattening stuff.  I sorta wondered
 about that, but no one paid him any particular attention.  I think the
 thing to keep in mind is that Costco has plenty of stock, so there are not
 likely to be any fights over cheap DVD players or toilet paper bundles.

 But yeah, the guy who owns Costco is a commie pinko librull, but, hey, he
 treats me OK.  And the fruit is good.  And concealed is probably the way to
 go anyway...

 --R



 On 9/8/14 10:42 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

 Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:

  Now y'all can tell me I got the crappy Costco Michelins, which are
 different from the Michelins I would get down the road at the real tar
 shop.  But the real tire shop would use only 80% N, so Costco is 20% better
 in that regard.


 Costco hates human rights, especially those protected by the Second
 Amendment to the Constitution. One guy, name of Erik Scott, was murdered
 for not knowing this, on his initial visit to buy a Costco membership.

 I try to avoid Wal-Mart, but go there every fall to buy motor oil.
 Costco, OTOH, I wouldn't patronize for anything.

 Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: N

2014-09-08 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Interesting that Kroger is taking this up. When I lived in Indiana you saw OC 
people all of the time. I don't ever recall seeing one in a Kroger, but I 
clearly recall seeing them in places like WalMart.



Kroger isn't taking it up.
Bloomberg's Demanding Moms want Kroger to grab the anti-gun banner, and Kroger 
is just saying we follow state laws. Like Starbucks, they want sales, not 
politics.
Starbucks always went with deferring to state laws, but eventually said under 
pressure please don't carry, but we'll still serve you if you do. Kroger isn't 
willing to give the anti gun side even that much.


Mitch.

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[MBZ] Jackpot!

2014-09-08 Thread Van Knutson via Mercedes
Nitrogen Tire Fill $89 on there.


**

In that case, I've got about $10K worth of nitrogen just floating around in my 
house. Who knew?

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Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius

2014-09-08 Thread clay via Mercedes
Neighbors have priapisms.  I rode in one around town.  It is not a nice car.  
Second gen, and lower quality build than first gen (Grandma got one a decade or 
more ago).  They are doing the same cost cutting that MBZ does

clay


On Sep 5, 2014, at 4:14 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

 I have never ridden in a Prius, but when looking at them from the outside 
 always figured the ride would be harsh due to the small diameter wheels and 
 short wheelbase.  With that little distance between axles the chop from any 
 road disturbance would have to be nasty.
 
 Say what you want, I love the W126 and W140 cars for long haul cruising.  I 
 drove the new W140 over 1,000 miles in under 24 hours and felt relaxed and 
 refreshed.  No sore back/butt, etc.  Not many cars can do this nowadays.
 
 Dan
 
 
 On Sep 5, 2014, at 12:02 AM, Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 Rented a Prius for 24 hours yesterday since I'd never driven one. Handling 
 was very good, engine very quiet, 49 mpg for mixed road and city driving.  
 Instrumentation and controls were straightforward and visibility was 
 remarkable; rear view mirrors were surprisingly effective.  Combined with 
 its excellent repair record during the first 8 or 10 years, it would be a 
 good investment.
 
 That said, I wouldn't buy one for one principal reason:  It rides rough and 
 there seems to be little cushioning by the seat; you feel every bump.  My 
 old Beetles rode better.  A Mercedes seat would help but that might be 
 difficult or impossible to install.
 
 My reasons for buying a new or late model car are exceptional fuel economy 
 and reliability on long trips; something the Prius would satisfy; but being 
 pounded on rough roads for hours at a time would be unpleasant and tiring.
 
 Gerry..who might just drive his old Mercedes on long trips
 
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Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius

2014-09-08 Thread clay via Mercedes
There are an excess of the blue ones roaming my roads.  Sometimes it looks like 
parade day on the freeway with them all lined up.  I think the placement of the 
Obama sticker or the stick figure family is the only way to tell one from the 
other

clay

On Sep 5, 2014, at 7:03 AM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:

 That tassel induces drag; cuts into the mpg.  Well, the antenna does, too. ;)
 
 Wilton
 
 - Original Message - From: Archer75--- via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 9:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius
 
 
 When you floorboard it, the engine and the electric motor together do make 
 sort of a mooing sound.
 Prius' are getting thick around here.  Saw one with a tassel on its antenna; 
 obviously so the owner could find the right one in a parking lot.
 .
 Gerry
 
 On 9/5/2014 7:50 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:
 Prius drivers are cows in a herd! Hahahaha
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 5, 2014, at 12:30 AM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 49 mpg!  wow
 
 i rented a kia soul recently and really liked it
 
 
 On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Archer75--- via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Rented a Prius for 24 hours yesterday since I'd never driven one. Handling
 was very good, engine very quiet, 49 mpg for mixed road and city driving.
 Instrumentation and controls were straightforward and visibility was
 remarkable; rear view mirrors were surprisingly effective.  Combined with
 its excellent repair record during the first 8 or 10 years, it would be a
 good investment.
 
 That said, I wouldn't buy one for one principal reason:  It rides rough
 and there seems to be little cushioning by the seat; you feel every bump.
 My old Beetles rode better.  A Mercedes seat would help but that might be
 difficult or impossible to install.
 
 My reasons for buying a new or late model car are exceptional fuel economy
 and reliability on long trips; something the Prius would satisfy; but 
 being
 pounded on rough roads for hours at a time would be unpleasant and tiring.
 
 Gerry..who might just drive his old Mercedes on long trips
 
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Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius

2014-09-08 Thread clay via Mercedes
SWMBA came down from AK to get her household effects.  She also wanted to do 
her annual peach canning session.  I figured out the fruit stand over the 
mountains was open fairly early, so I did the 200 mile trip to get her three 
boxes.   A bit over three hours before breakfast, and I had fresh fruit on my 
corn flakes.  



clay

On Sep 5, 2014, at 7:53 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

 I'll take my '95 E300 with 348k miles across country any day.  Long trips
 are the easiest driving for any car, it's the short-haul stuff around town
 that is really hard on them.
 
 Max Dillon,
 Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius

2014-09-08 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

ATTABOY!

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius


SWMBA came down from AK to get her household effects.  She also wanted to 
do her annual peach canning session.  I figured out the fruit stand over 
the mountains was open fairly early, so I did the 200 mile trip to get her 
three boxes.   A bit over three hours before breakfast, and I had fresh 
fruit on my corn flakes.




clay

On Sep 5, 2014, at 7:53 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:


I'll take my '95 E300 with 348k miles across country any day.  Long trips
are the easiest driving for any car, it's the short-haul stuff around 
town

that is really hard on them.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Jackpot!

2014-09-08 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
yabbutt you don't live in Der Vaderland and could sell Certified Hun N.  
You just have the widely-available domestic stuff.


--R


On 9/8/14 3:56 PM, Van Knutson via Mercedes wrote:

Nitrogen Tire Fill $89 on there.


**

In that case, I've got about $10K worth of nitrogen just floating around in my 
house. Who knew?

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Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius

2014-09-08 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
I go across the road and get fresh SC peaches.  0.5 mile round trip, a 
bit over 3 minutes


--R


On 9/8/14 4:46 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:

SWMBA came down from AK to get her household effects.  She also wanted to do 
her annual peach canning session.  I figured out the fruit stand over the 
mountains was open fairly early, so I did the 200 mile trip to get her three 
boxes.   A bit over three hours before breakfast, and I had fresh fruit on my 
corn flakes.



clay



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Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius

2014-09-08 Thread Gary Hurst via Mercedes
the best peaches i've seen are on the GA/SC border area.  new jersey also
has great peaches that aren't talked about enough.

i'd rather an SC peach than a GA peach as i am more confident an SC peach
will come from this region


On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 I go across the road and get fresh SC peaches.  0.5 mile round trip, a bit
 over 3 minutes

 --R


 On 9/8/14 4:46 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:

 SWMBA came down from AK to get her household effects.  She also wanted to
 do her annual peach canning session.  I figured out the fruit stand over
 the mountains was open fairly early, so I did the 200 mile trip to get her
 three boxes.   A bit over three hours before breakfast, and I had fresh
 fruit on my corn flakes.



 clay



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Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius

2014-09-08 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
'Saw some mighty fine-looking GA peaches when we lived in Warner Robins - 
the fruit was mighty good, too.  ;)
One of 'em was our babysitter, who lived across the street - Miss GA, 1968 
or '69.


Wilton

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the best peaches i've seen are on the GA/SC border area.  new jersey also
has great peaches that aren't talked about enough.

i'd rather an SC peach than a GA peach as i am more confident an SC peach
will come from this region


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I go across the road and get fresh SC peaches.  0.5 mile round trip, a 
bit

over 3 minutes

--R


On 9/8/14 4:46 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:

SWMBA came down from AK to get her household effects.  She also wanted 
to

do her annual peach canning session.  I figured out the fruit stand over
the mountains was open fairly early, so I did the 200 mile trip to get 
her

three boxes.   A bit over three hours before breakfast, and I had fresh
fruit on my corn flakes.



clay




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Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius

2014-09-08 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Do be aware that if you're looking for a Starbucks in central or southern GA, 
the only one you'll find is at a Krogers just off base of Warner-Robins.

Dan who was jonesing for a mocha last week in the neighborhood


On Sep 8, 2014, at 5:55 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 'Saw some mighty fine-looking GA peaches when we lived in Warner Robins - the 
 fruit was mighty good, too.  ;)
 One of 'em was our babysitter, who lived across the street - Miss GA, 1968 or 
 '69.
 
 Wilton
 
 - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes 
 Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 5:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius
 
 
 the best peaches i've seen are on the GA/SC border area.  new jersey also
 has great peaches that aren't talked about enough.
 
 i'd rather an SC peach than a GA peach as i am more confident an SC peach
 will come from this region
 
 
 On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 I go across the road and get fresh SC peaches.  0.5 mile round trip, a bit
 over 3 minutes
 
 --R
 
 
 On 9/8/14 4:46 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
 
 SWMBA came down from AK to get her household effects.  She also wanted to
 do her annual peach canning session.  I figured out the fruit stand over
 the mountains was open fairly early, so I did the 200 mile trip to get her
 three boxes.   A bit over three hours before breakfast, and I had fresh
 fruit on my corn flakes.
 
 
 
 clay
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius

2014-09-08 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
SC grows more peaches (the fruit kind) than GA, and a bunch more 
varieties too.  Right now I am getting some large freestones that are 
very sweet and tasty.  The different varieties seem to come in at 
different times.


Wilton is a riot.

--R


On 9/8/14 5:55 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:
'Saw some mighty fine-looking GA peaches when we lived in Warner 
Robins - the fruit was mighty good, too.  ;)
One of 'em was our babysitter, who lived across the street - Miss GA, 
1968 or '69.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: Gary Hurst via Mercedes 
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Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com

Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius


the best peaches i've seen are on the GA/SC border area.  new jersey 
also

has great peaches that aren't talked about enough.

i'd rather an SC peach than a GA peach as i am more confident an SC 
peach

will come from this region


On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

I go across the road and get fresh SC peaches.  0.5 mile round trip, 
a bit

over 3 minutes

--R


On 9/8/14 4:46 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:

SWMBA came down from AK to get her household effects.  She also 
wanted to
do her annual peach canning session.  I figured out the fruit stand 
over
the mountains was open fairly early, so I did the 200 mile trip to 
get her
three boxes.   A bit over three hours before breakfast, and I had 
fresh

fruit on my corn flakes.



clay




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[MBZ] OT Wilton get out your flight bag

2014-09-08 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russian-strategic-bombers-near-canada-practice-cruise-missile-strikes-on-us/

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Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius

2014-09-08 Thread John Reames via Mercedes
I've gotten a few (yellow freestone and some white ones) from a local farmer... 
(And I can always find a place to park close to the stand instead of quite a 
ways back...)

It's hard to say which I enjoy more, but you need a paper towel to eat either 
variety.

Btw what's this newfangled fad with donut peaches?

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 On Sep 8, 2014, at 18:14, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 SC grows more peaches (the fruit kind) than GA, and a bunch more varieties 
 too.  Right now I am getting some large freestones that are very sweet and 
 tasty.  The different varieties seem to come in at different times.
 
 Wilton is a riot.
 
 --R
 
 
 On 9/8/14 5:55 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:
 'Saw some mighty fine-looking GA peaches when we lived in Warner Robins - 
 the fruit was mighty good, too.  ;)
 One of 'em was our babysitter, who lived across the street - Miss GA, 1968 
 or '69.
 
 Wilton
 
 - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes 
 Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 5:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius
 
 
 the best peaches i've seen are on the GA/SC border area.  new jersey also
 has great peaches that aren't talked about enough.
 
 i'd rather an SC peach than a GA peach as i am more confident an SC peach
 will come from this region
 
 
 On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 I go across the road and get fresh SC peaches.  0.5 mile round trip, a bit
 over 3 minutes
 
 --R
 
 
 On 9/8/14 4:46 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
 
 SWMBA came down from AK to get her household effects.  She also wanted to
 do her annual peach canning session.  I figured out the fruit stand over
 the mountains was open fairly early, so I did the 200 mile trip to get her
 three boxes.   A bit over three hours before breakfast, and I had fresh
 fruit on my corn flakes.
 
 
 
 clay
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Wilton get out your flight bag

2014-09-08 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
No, heroes are no longer needed. Have you seen Ender's Game? Military
industrial complex has decided there are more profits to be made in drones,
and Barry loves them (very little political risk), so we'll be using our
finest to fend off Putin's bombers via video screens and joy sticks, then
home by 4 for momma's cooking.

Probably only right-wing websites will get excited about that conflict.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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 http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russian-
 strategic-bombers-near-canada-practice-cruise-missile-strikes-on-us/

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Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius

2014-09-08 Thread Kevin Kraly via Mercedes
Colorado has some great peaches as well. There were three   peach trees in the 
backyard of the house that we rented for a year while we were there. I think 
that those peaches were the best peaches I  have ever eaten!

Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon

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 On Sep 8, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
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 the best peaches i've seen are on the GA/SC border area.  new jersey also
 has great peaches that aren't talked about enough.
 
 i'd rather an SC peach than a GA peach as i am more confident an SC peach
 will come from this region
 
 
 On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 I go across the road and get fresh SC peaches.  0.5 mile round trip, a bit
 over 3 minutes
 
 --R
 
 
 On 9/8/14 4:46 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
 
 SWMBA came down from AK to get her household effects.  She also wanted to
 do her annual peach canning session.  I figured out the fruit stand over
 the mountains was open fairly early, so I did the 200 mile trip to get her
 three boxes.   A bit over three hours before breakfast, and I had fresh
 fruit on my corn flakes.
 
 
 
 clay
 
 
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[MBZ] This worth anywhere near the listed price?

2014-09-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes


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Re: [MBZ] This worth anywhere near the listed price?

2014-09-08 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Six big ones might be a bit high, but they really are wonderful cars.   
That one has incorrect aftermarket exhaust, you'd need to replace it  
with a correct TimeValve one (which will last forever), but otherwise  
seems pretty nice.


Loved mine, but it's gotta go away, too rusty to make it driveable any  
more.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] This worth anywhere near the listed price?

2014-09-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
I have never had one of these that was not a parts car and have always wanted 
one.

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 On Sep 8, 2014, at 6:23 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote:
 
 Six big ones might be a bit high, but they really are wonderful cars.  That 
 one has incorrect aftermarket exhaust, you'd need to replace it with a 
 correct TimeValve one (which will last forever), but otherwise seems pretty 
 nice.
 
 Loved mine, but it's gotta go away, too rusty to make it driveable any more.
 
 Peter

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Re: [MBZ] This worth anywhere near the listed price?

2014-09-08 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
My Dad sold one just a couple years ago, about half that price.  No rust at
all, but badly re-painted so it looked shabby.  He replaced the interior
and all the chrome, but didn't want to invest in the paint job.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 I have never had one of these that was not a parts car and have always
 wanted one.

 Sent from my iPhone

  On Sep 8, 2014, at 6:23 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net
 wrote:
 
  Six big ones might be a bit high, but they really are wonderful cars.
 That one has incorrect aftermarket exhaust, you'd need to replace it with a
 correct TimeValve one (which will last forever), but otherwise seems pretty
 nice.
 
  Loved mine, but it's gotta go away, too rusty to make it driveable any
 more.
 
  Peter

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Re: [MBZ] This worth anywhere near the listed price?

2014-09-08 Thread Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes
Hard to say without having a good look at it, if as described 6k is not 
far off the mark, the 108/9s are going up in price lately, as they have 
the classic Merc look and are still very usable as a daily driver.
It's a V8 with steel suspension, so no carbies or air suspension to 
spend up on.
Air suspension is universally regarded as being superior to steel 
springs but can cost a bit to fix.
So yeah if you are wanting a 108 without breaking the bank and being 
afraid to drive it, this would be it.
I really don't think you would find a much cheaper V8 108 than this, 
unless it's a total junk pile.


Hendrik
who has a secret lust for V8 108/9s

On 09/09/14 08:55, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I have never had one of these that was not a parts car and have always wanted 
one.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 8, 2014, at 6:23 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote:

Six big ones might be a bit high, but they really are wonderful cars.  That one 
has incorrect aftermarket exhaust, you'd need to replace it with a correct 
TimeValve one (which will last forever), but otherwise seems pretty nice.

Loved mine, but it's gotta go away, too rusty to make it driveable any more.

Peter



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Re: [MBZ] This worth anywhere near the listed price?

2014-09-08 Thread Gary Hurst via Mercedes
very possibly


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Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius

2014-09-08 Thread Gary Hurst via Mercedes
i doubt that


On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
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 Do be aware that if you're looking for a Starbucks in central or southern
 GA, the only one you'll find is at a Krogers just off base of Warner-Robins.

 Dan who was jonesing for a mocha last week in the neighborhood


 On Sep 8, 2014, at 5:55 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:

  'Saw some mighty fine-looking GA peaches when we lived in Warner Robins
 - the fruit was mighty good, too.  ;)
  One of 'em was our babysitter, who lived across the street - Miss GA,
 1968 or '69.
 
  Wilton
 
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  Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 5:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius
 
 
  the best peaches i've seen are on the GA/SC border area.  new jersey
 also
  has great peaches that aren't talked about enough.
 
  i'd rather an SC peach than a GA peach as i am more confident an SC
 peach
  will come from this region
 
 
  On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
  mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  I go across the road and get fresh SC peaches.  0.5 mile round trip, a
 bit
  over 3 minutes
 
  --R
 
 
  On 9/8/14 4:46 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
 
  SWMBA came down from AK to get her household effects.  She also
 wanted to
  do her annual peach canning session.  I figured out the fruit stand
 over
  the mountains was open fairly early, so I did the 200 mile trip to
 get her
  three boxes.   A bit over three hours before breakfast, and I had
 fresh
  fruit on my corn flakes.
 
 
 
  clay
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] This worth anywhere near the listed price?

2014-09-08 Thread Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes
It seems in the last couple of years the market has really picked up for 
these, over here there are some crazy prices being asked for them, 
especially the coupes.

AU$20k for a good 3.5 sedan is not unheard of.

Hendrik
who couldn't afford a 20k 108/9

On 09/09/14 09:15, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

My Dad sold one just a couple years ago, about half that price.  No rust at
all, but badly re-painted so it looked shabby.  He replaced the interior
and all the chrome, but didn't want to invest in the paint job.

Max Dillon,




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Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius

2014-09-08 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
Finally, someone else who calls it a priapism!!!

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 On Sep 8, 2014, at 4:40 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Neighbors have priapisms.  I rode in one around town.  It is not a nice car.  
 Second gen, and lower quality build than first gen (Grandma got one a decade 
 or more ago).  They are doing the same cost cutting that MBZ does
 
 clay
 
 
 On Sep 5, 2014, at 4:14 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 
 I have never ridden in a Prius, but when looking at them from the outside 
 always figured the ride would be harsh due to the small diameter wheels and 
 short wheelbase.  With that little distance between axles the chop from any 
 road disturbance would have to be nasty.
 
 Say what you want, I love the W126 and W140 cars for long haul cruising.  I 
 drove the new W140 over 1,000 miles in under 24 hours and felt relaxed and 
 refreshed.  No sore back/butt, etc.  Not many cars can do this nowadays.
 
 Dan
 
 
 On Sep 5, 2014, at 12:02 AM, Archer75--- via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Rented a Prius for 24 hours yesterday since I'd never driven one. Handling 
 was very good, engine very quiet, 49 mpg for mixed road and city driving.  
 Instrumentation and controls were straightforward and visibility was 
 remarkable; rear view mirrors were surprisingly effective.  Combined with 
 its excellent repair record during the first 8 or 10 years, it would be a 
 good investment.
 
 That said, I wouldn't buy one for one principal reason:  It rides rough and 
 there seems to be little cushioning by the seat; you feel every bump.  My 
 old Beetles rode better.  A Mercedes seat would help but that might be 
 difficult or impossible to install.
 
 My reasons for buying a new or late model car are exceptional fuel economy 
 and reliability on long trips; something the Prius would satisfy; but being 
 pounded on rough roads for hours at a time would be unpleasant and tiring.
 
 Gerry..who might just drive his old Mercedes on long trips
 
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Re: [MBZ] This worth anywhere near the listed price?

2014-09-08 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
Sure it is... if its really 99% rust free.

I just sold this:
http://images.jaimekop.com/2014_08_09_280SE/

for much more, and there was nearly a bidding war on the car.  And I didn't
even list it for sale yet.

W108s are hot, and they're going to rise.  Finally.

But you're really missing the boat with the V8s.  I've owned a few of both
and always thought the V8 was too heavy and bloated, and had the sleepy 3
speed automatic.  6 cylinder cars are the best.  I strongly prefer the
early W108s (1966-67) as well due to their higher interior qualities
without any of that safety nonsense added in 1968.  I like the fluid
coupling transmissions more too, but most people probably don't agree.

Jaime


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Re: [MBZ] This worth anywhere near the listed price?

2014-09-08 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
Depends upon condition. If the rust is merely surface which the owner claims 
but I doubt then it's probably worth the asking price. 

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Re: [MBZ] This worth anywhere near the listed price?

2014-09-08 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Sweet cars, but be prepared for TERRIBLE milage -- I got 17 on the  
highway, 12 in town.


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Re: [MBZ] This worth anywhere near the listed price?

2014-09-08 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
I've never found the torque converter transmission to be sleepy --  
all that torque and a top end of 125 mph, what more can you ask for?   
Mine was a pain to drive on the highway -- always wanted to go 90  
plus, had to keep lifting my foot off the gas.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] This worth anywhere near the listed price?

2014-09-08 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
I vote yes, Kaleb should get this car and Scotland should be independent!

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] This worth anywhere near the listed price?

2014-09-08 Thread Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes
Yeah but you got to compare it to the 3.5 and 2.8, neither of which are 
super efficient.
You also got to compare it to other cars of that era, none of which got 
good mileage, apart from some of the Diesel ones but even they are crap 
when compared to modern electronic Diesels.
A 108/9 with a modern Diesel engine would be cool or even convert it to 
a hybrid.
There is a fella on the OzBenz forum who is toying with the idea of 
converting a CLK to hybrid, the upshot is pretty much that it will never 
pay for itself.


Hendrik
whose TE gets relatively poor mileage

On 09/09/14 09:50, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:
Sweet cars, but be prepared for TERRIBLE milage -- I got 17 on the 
highway, 12 in town.


Peter


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Re: [MBZ] This worth anywhere near the listed price?

2014-09-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
One probably does not own one for the mileage though.

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 Sweet cars, but be prepared for TERRIBLE milage -- I got 17 on the highway, 
 12 in town.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius

2014-09-08 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Yes I was ruminating on several jokes about that term  the venrrable
hybtid.
On Sep 8, 2014 7:56 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 Finally, someone else who calls it a priapism!!!

 Sent from my iPhone

  On Sep 8, 2014, at 4:40 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
  Neighbors have priapisms.  I rode in one around town.  It is not a nice
 car.  Second gen, and lower quality build than first gen (Grandma got one a
 decade or more ago).  They are doing the same cost cutting that MBZ does
 
  clay
 
 
  On Sep 5, 2014, at 4:14 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 
  I have never ridden in a Prius, but when looking at them from the
 outside always figured the ride would be harsh due to the small diameter
 wheels and short wheelbase.  With that little distance between axles the
 chop from any road disturbance would have to be nasty.
 
  Say what you want, I love the W126 and W140 cars for long haul
 cruising.  I drove the new W140 over 1,000 miles in under 24 hours and felt
 relaxed and refreshed.  No sore back/butt, etc.  Not many cars can do this
 nowadays.
 
  Dan
 
 
  On Sep 5, 2014, at 12:02 AM, Archer75--- via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  Rented a Prius for 24 hours yesterday since I'd never driven one.
 Handling was very good, engine very quiet, 49 mpg for mixed road and city
 driving.  Instrumentation and controls were straightforward and visibility
 was remarkable; rear view mirrors were surprisingly effective.  Combined
 with its excellent repair record during the first 8 or 10 years, it would
 be a good investment.
 
  That said, I wouldn't buy one for one principal reason:  It rides
 rough and there seems to be little cushioning by the seat; you feel every
 bump.  My old Beetles rode better.  A Mercedes seat would help but that
 might be difficult or impossible to install.
 
  My reasons for buying a new or late model car are exceptional fuel
 economy and reliability on long trips; something the Prius would satisfy;
 but being pounded on rough roads for hours at a time would be unpleasant
 and tiring.
 
  Gerry..who might just drive his old Mercedes on long trips
 
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Re: [MBZ] This worth anywhere near the listed price?

2014-09-08 Thread Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes

Aaah now your talking like an S class owner.
You'll have to get Reggie to drive you around but you should get an SEL 
for the extra legroom.


Hendrik
who does not have a chauffeur, well actually daughter has license, spose 
I could afford a shabby 126 SEL


On 09/09/14 10:03, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

One probably does not own one for the mileage though.

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On Sep 8, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote:

Sweet cars, but be prepared for TERRIBLE milage -- I got 17 on the highway, 12 
in town.

Peter



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Re: [MBZ] This worth anywhere near the listed price?

2014-09-08 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
The transmission itself is overall fine, I just don't care for the missing
first gear.  (That is, the 3 speed's ratio on first is similar to the 4
speed's in second).  On the highway its grand, but around down its pretty
sleepy.

I've never driven a 3.5 with the 4 speed fluid coupling trans.  I suspect
I'd like it.

Jaime


On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net
wrote:

 I've never found the torque converter transmission to be sleepy -- all
 that torque and a top end of 125 mph, what more can you ask for?  Mine was
 a pain to drive on the highway -- always wanted to go 90 plus, had to keep
 lifting my foot off the gas.

 Peter




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Re: [MBZ] This worth anywhere near the listed price?

2014-09-08 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Yes that is my thought. If you want mileage get priapsis.
On Sep 8, 2014 8:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 One probably does not own one for the mileage though.

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  On Sep 8, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net
 wrote:
 
  Sweet cars, but be prepared for TERRIBLE milage -- I got 17 on the
 highway, 12 in town.
 
  Peter

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Re: [MBZ] This worth anywhere near the listed price?

2014-09-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Damn it is an SE, would have preferred a sel

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 Aaah now your talking like an S class owner.
 You'll have to get Reggie to drive you around but you should get an SEL for 
 the extra legroom.
 
 Hendrik
 who does not have a chauffeur, well actually daughter has license, spose I 
 could afford a shabby 126 SEL
 
 On 09/09/14 10:03, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
 One probably does not own one for the mileage though.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 8, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote:
 
 Sweet cars, but be prepared for TERRIBLE milage -- I got 17 on the highway, 
 12 in town.
 
 Peter
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] This worth anywhere near the listed price?

2014-09-08 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
It was quite common to drop a 615 in these in Germany -- lowered the  
tax rate and gave decent performance with much better milage.


It is better than a comparable Cadillac or Oldsmobile -- in that era  
they got six mpg, as low as 4 if you drove hard.  Huge honking things  
that rolled like whales.


I wish my was restorable, and I had the $$, they are a blast to drive,  
and if you set them a bit lean, aren't so horrible on milage you can  
drive them on trips.


Peter

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