[MBZ] OT: Golf brakes

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Again breaking in (see what I did there?) with car news.
Some of you might remember some months ago I replaced the rear brake pads and 
calipers on the Golf I also free'd up the sticking caliper pins to make the 
calipers actually work.
At the time I bled the brakes with my new power bleeder but the pedal travel 
remained short and touchy. A lot of newer vehicles are like that and I hate it. 
The repair instructions on myturbodiesel.com suggested using the VCDS (no idea 
what it stands for, its the computer link to the car) to bleed the ABS 
controller. I tried that but it didn't help.
Recently it occurred to me I was probably doing it wrong, so today while trying 
to troubleshoot laggy turbo performance I ran through the ABS pump output tests 
a couple times. Result: MUCH better pedal feel. So I'd managed to bleed the air 
out of the calipers but air in the ABS pump itself was giving me squishy 
brakes...
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf brakes

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

Curt,
How does the VCDS work?  Is this the setup that links to the car using a 
laptop, link cable and specific software? I read in some TDI forums that this 
setup is needed to power the  fuel pumps to properly prime the system when 
changing the fuel filter on my 2014 Beetle TDI. 
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR  

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> On Aug 16, 2016, at 11:11 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Again breaking in (see what I did there?) with car news.
> Some of you might remember some months ago I replaced the rear brake pads and 
> calipers on the Golf I also free'd up the sticking caliper pins to make the 
> calipers actually work.
> At the time I bled the brakes with my new power bleeder but the pedal travel 
> remained short and touchy. A lot of newer vehicles are like that and I hate 
> it. The repair instructions on myturbodiesel.com suggested using the VCDS (no 
> idea what it stands for, its the computer link to the car) to bleed the ABS 
> controller. I tried that but it didn't help.
> Recently it occurred to me I was probably doing it wrong, so today while 
> trying to troubleshoot laggy turbo performance I ran through the ABS pump 
> output tests a couple times. Result: MUCH better pedal feel. So I'd managed 
> to bleed the air out of the calipers but air in the ABS pump itself was 
> giving me squishy brakes...
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Curt makes the news

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Harold needs to call it "art" and tell the neighbors it is guaranteed 
expression under the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United 
States of America and they can just STFU.


--FT


On 8/16/16 3:08 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

http://flightclub.jalopnik.com/everyone-just-shut-up-and-let-this-man-keep-his-plane-i-1721399598

The Cessna ended up in the driveway after the owner, 69-year old Harold Guretzky
had to give up his pilot’s license for health reasons. Rather than paying
$150/month to store the plane, he removed the wings and had it flat-bedded to
his driveway. He replaced the wings — which, I should add, do not encroach on
anyone’s property other than his own — and it didn’t take too long for the
neighbors to start complaining, which led to ticketing and a summons from the
Town of Hempstead Buildings Department which could cost as much as $2500, with
fines every week the plane remains.

What baffles me is why did people give a shit? Multiple residents of his street
apparently called the police — why? If you drive by a house with a plane in the
driveway and your primary reaction is anything other than “hey, cool — there’s a
plane in that driveway,” then I think you, as a human, have some pretty severe
problems.

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Re: [MBZ] Curt makes the news

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Maybe it's a religious shrine. He could be an aeronautical pastor.

On Aug 16, 2016 3:21 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> He could claim his medical issues that keep him from flying have given him
> PTSD and he needs the plane around as medical treatment...
> -Curt
>
>   From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: Floyd Thursby 
>  Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 3:17 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Curt makes the news
>
> Harold needs to call it "art" and tell the neighbors it is guaranteed
> expression under the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United
> States of America and they can just STFU.
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 8/16/16 3:08 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> > http://flightclub.jalopnik.com/everyone-just-shut-up-and-
> let-this-man-keep-his-plane-i-1721399598
> >
> > The Cessna ended up in the driveway after the owner, 69-year old Harold
> Guretzky
> > had to give up his pilot’s license for health reasons. Rather than paying
> > $150/month to store the plane, he removed the wings and had it
> flat-bedded to
> > his driveway. He replaced the wings — which, I should add, do not
> encroach on
> > anyone’s property other than his own — and it didn’t take too long for
> the
> > neighbors to start complaining, which led to ticketing and a summons
> from the
> > Town of Hempstead Buildings Department which could cost as much as
> $2500, with
> > fines every week the plane remains.
> >
> > What baffles me is why did people give a shit? Multiple residents of his
> street
> > apparently called the police — why? If you drive by a house with a plane
> in the
> > driveway and your primary reaction is anything other than “hey, cool —
> there’s a
> > plane in that driveway,” then I think you, as a human, have some pretty
> severe
> > problems.
> >
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[MBZ] Curt makes the news

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

http://jalopnik.com/giant-white-25-foot-trailer-parked-in-driveway-tears-ne-1785319419


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Re: [MBZ] Curt makes the news

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

(after going over to Panther's house with plans to vandalize his enclosed car
hauler)
... there was a lens staring directly back at me... I started trembling. Even
now I get emotional talking about it...

Don't like being monitored by security cameras on other peoples' property?
Then stay away!

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf brakes

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On August 16, 2016 at 3:00 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> I *think* that the slow rise in turbo means its bad. 


Maybe your VNT isn't V any more?
Stuck fins? Bad actuator?
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf brakes

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

If you just buy the cables, MUX and software on an external USB drive you can 
get it all for under $300.  That’s what I paid about a year and a half ago on 
Alibaba.  Consider that the MB stuff is not just the cables and software, it 
also includes the multiplexer that is necessary for the older cars that used 
the HHT (hand held tester) and that with the multiple cables included you can 
run diagnostics on anything MB from 1993 or so to 2010 or thereabouts, which 
includes the CANBUS driven cars.

I paid $75 for a nice HP business class laptop with a serial port to run it.

Dan


> On Aug 16, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kevin,
> You've got it exactly. People complain that the $250 cable is expensive but 
> the software is free and I believe Dan spent way more money on the MB 
> system.I'm running the software in Virtualbox on my Mac since it requires 
> Windows. Seems to work just fine. I originally bought it for my '98 but it 
> works on my '05 too. I don't remember when the CANBUS cars started but mine 
> won't cover those, it was an extra $100 for the cable that does both...
> There are a bazillion little changes you can make, of course you can read the 
> OBD-II codes but you can get car specific codes, you can change the timing a 
> little bit, adjust the injection quantity a little, correct for slight speedo 
> discrepancy due to tire changes etc.
> Today I've been using it to track turbo output vs MAF (mass air flow) to be 
> sure the MAF is working correctly. I think it is but for some reason the 
> turbo is being slow to spool. The software has the ability to graph over 
> time: 
> http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/VCDS_05_Golf_2_zpseeafy7qi.pngThats
>  my car this afternoon. The lavender line is accelerator input, yellow is the 
> turbo, red is the MAF and orange is engine speed, you can see below I've got 
> engine temp and barometric pressure turned off to un-clutter the graph a 
> little.I did some runs with EGR actuation too but it made for a graph that 
> was hard to read.
> I *think* that the slow rise in turbo means its bad. I've seen some other 
> graphs where turbo pressure rises quickly with increasing engine speed and 
> stays high, on mine it significantly lags accelerator input. The car feels 
> like the turbo isn't spooling until 2200-2500 rpm, then it pulls like a 
> freight train.
> Maybe I should do another graph with power output...
> -Curt
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Curt makes the news

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

http://flightclub.jalopnik.com/everyone-just-shut-up-and-let-this-man-keep-his-plane-i-1721399598

The Cessna ended up in the driveway after the owner, 69-year old Harold Guretzky
had to give up his pilot’s license for health reasons. Rather than paying
$150/month to store the plane, he removed the wings and had it flat-bedded to
his driveway. He replaced the wings — which, I should add, do not encroach on
anyone’s property other than his own — and it didn’t take too long for the
neighbors to start complaining, which led to ticketing and a summons from the
Town of Hempstead Buildings Department which could cost as much as $2500, with
fines every week the plane remains.

What baffles me is why did people give a shit? Multiple residents of his street
apparently called the police — why? If you drive by a house with a plane in the
driveway and your primary reaction is anything other than “hey, cool — there’s a
plane in that driveway,” then I think you, as a human, have some pretty severe
problems.

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Re: [MBZ] Curt makes the news

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

He could claim his medical issues that keep him from flying have given him PTSD 
and he needs the plane around as medical treatment...
-Curt

  From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Floyd Thursby 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 3:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Curt makes the news
   
Harold needs to call it "art" and tell the neighbors it is guaranteed 
expression under the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United 
States of America and they can just STFU.

--FT


On 8/16/16 3:08 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> http://flightclub.jalopnik.com/everyone-just-shut-up-and-let-this-man-keep-his-plane-i-1721399598
>
> The Cessna ended up in the driveway after the owner, 69-year old Harold 
> Guretzky
> had to give up his pilot’s license for health reasons. Rather than paying
> $150/month to store the plane, he removed the wings and had it flat-bedded to
> his driveway. He replaced the wings — which, I should add, do not encroach on
> anyone’s property other than his own — and it didn’t take too long for the
> neighbors to start complaining, which led to ticketing and a summons from the
> Town of Hempstead Buildings Department which could cost as much as $2500, with
> fines every week the plane remains.
>
> What baffles me is why did people give a shit? Multiple residents of his 
> street
> apparently called the police — why? If you drive by a house with a plane in 
> the
> driveway and your primary reaction is anything other than “hey, cool — 
> there’s a
> plane in that driveway,” then I think you, as a human, have some pretty severe
> problems.
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Re: [MBZ] Curt makes the news

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I'd welcome that in their driveway, their trash-dump trailer is an eyesore. 
I'll see if I can surreptitiously snap a pic later today.
That big white trailer indicates somebody doing work that needs to be hauled 
around. I've taken to thinking of the trailer as the "procreation palace" since 
the teenage kids are hanging around it.
-Curt

  From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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Cc: Floyd Thursby 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 2:03 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Curt makes the news
   
http://jalopnik.com/giant-white-25-foot-trailer-parked-in-driveway-tears-ne-1785319419


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf brakes

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Hi Kevin,
You've got it exactly. People complain that the $250 cable is expensive but the 
software is free and I believe Dan spent way more money on the MB system.I'm 
running the software in Virtualbox on my Mac since it requires Windows. Seems 
to work just fine. I originally bought it for my '98 but it works on my '05 
too. I don't remember when the CANBUS cars started but mine won't cover those, 
it was an extra $100 for the cable that does both...
There are a bazillion little changes you can make, of course you can read the 
OBD-II codes but you can get car specific codes, you can change the timing a 
little bit, adjust the injection quantity a little, correct for slight speedo 
discrepancy due to tire changes etc.
Today I've been using it to track turbo output vs MAF (mass air flow) to be 
sure the MAF is working correctly. I think it is but for some reason the turbo 
is being slow to spool. The software has the ability to graph over time: 
http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/VCDS_05_Golf_2_zpseeafy7qi.pngThats
 my car this afternoon. The lavender line is accelerator input, yellow is the 
turbo, red is the MAF and orange is engine speed, you can see below I've got 
engine temp and barometric pressure turned off to un-clutter the graph a 
little.I did some runs with EGR actuation too but it made for a graph that was 
hard to read.
I *think* that the slow rise in turbo means its bad. I've seen some other 
graphs where turbo pressure rises quickly with increasing engine speed and 
stays high, on mine it significantly lags accelerator input. The car feels like 
the turbo isn't spooling until 2200-2500 rpm, then it pulls like a freight 
train.
Maybe I should do another graph with power output...
-Curt

  From: Kevin Kraly 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 2:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf brakes
   
Curt,
How does the VCDS work?  Is this the setup that links to the car using a 
laptop, link cable and specific software? I read in some TDI forums that this 
setup is needed to power the  fuel pumps to properly prime the system when 
changing the fuel filter on my 2014 Beetle TDI. 
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR  

Sent from my cell  

> On Aug 16, 2016, at 11:11 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Again breaking in (see what I did there?) with car news.
> Some of you might remember some months ago I replaced the rear brake pads and 
> calipers on the Golf I also free'd up the sticking caliper pins to make the 
> calipers actually work.
> At the time I bled the brakes with my new power bleeder but the pedal travel 
> remained short and touchy. A lot of newer vehicles are like that and I hate 
> it. The repair instructions on myturbodiesel.com suggested using the VCDS (no 
> idea what it stands for, its the computer link to the car) to bleed the ABS 
> controller. I tried that but it didn't help.
> Recently it occurred to me I was probably doing it wrong, so today while 
> trying to troubleshoot laggy turbo performance I ran through the ABS pump 
> output tests a couple times. Result: MUCH better pedal feel. So I'd managed 
> to bleed the air out of the calipers but air in the ABS pump itself was 
> giving me squishy brakes...
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf brakes

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I went out and played with the actuator a little just now. It starts moving at 
about 5"hg and is fully in at 15 which seems to be normal.
I'm wondering if I've got an air leak somewhere. I pulled the air filter, it 
was a little dirty but what you'd expect after a year. Its got an oil change 
coming up so I'll do that then, I also blew out the airbox good, again a little 
dirty but about what you'd expect. Theres a secondary air door that opens if 
the primary air intake is clogged, it wouldn't open so I oiled its pivot and 
got it working again.
I'll take the car to work tomorrow and see if its better. I was thinking it 
might feel a little better when I did the runs for the screenshot I posted. I 
wonder if with a little air in the ABS system maybe the brakes were dragging 
slightly...
-Curt

  From: Mitch Haley 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 3:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf brakes
   

> On August 16, 2016 at 3:00 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> I *think* that the slow rise in turbo means its bad. 


Maybe your VNT isn't V any more?
Stuck fins? Bad actuator?
Mitch.


   
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Re: [MBZ] pimped low-rider S430 ONLY serious people with funds text the number above.

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

That auction site is dangerous

Saw a couple really nice 124 gasser wagons with zero bids, do they really go 
for cheap cheap?  Also saw a 124 cabriolet, same color & year as mine, heavy 
front end damage, minimum bid $1700.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On August 15, 2016 9:33:28 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I saw it, was thinking to buy one like that (or the serious funds one I
>
>posted) for $500, then a wrecked one for $300, then another one for a 
>few hundred, and there would be enough bits to keep one running for a 
>year or two then sell it to some unsuspecting Yo who was looking for a 
>Fly Ride, yo.
>
>--FT
>
>
>On 8/15/16 9:25 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
>> Linky no worky?
>> It was an auction for a slightly beat up but uncrashed 2001 S430 with
>flat
>> suspension and clean title, current bid $500.
>>
>> Let's see if the whole list links OK:
>>
>http://www.carfrom.us/car/search/action/search/?carmake=MERCEDES-BENZ_S430
>>
>>> On August 15, 2016 at 7:07 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes
>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.carfrom.us/CT_2001_MERCEDES_BENZ_S430_119303445
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Re: [MBZ] OT: What's wrong with Mrs Clinton?

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

And that's where the electoral college should step up and restore sanity...
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On August 16, 2016 1:28:05 AM EDT, fmiser via Mercedes  
wrote:
>
>There is precedent - of sorts.
>
>A dead fellow won the senate election.  Two weeks before election
>he died - but his name was still on the ballot - and he won!
>
>His widow was appointed to serve in his place.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Missouri,_2000
>


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Re: [MBZ] Curt makes the news

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

It's a fish out of water, very awkward looking.

On Aug 16, 2016 3:09 PM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> http://flightclub.jalopnik.com/everyone-just-shut-up-and-
> let-this-man-keep-his-plane-i-1721399598
>
> The Cessna ended up in the driveway after the owner, 69-year old Harold
> Guretzky
> had to give up his pilot’s license for health reasons. Rather than paying
> $150/month to store the plane, he removed the wings and had it flat-bedded
> to
> his driveway. He replaced the wings — which, I should add, do not encroach
> on
> anyone’s property other than his own — and it didn’t take too long for the
> neighbors to start complaining, which led to ticketing and a summons from
> the
> Town of Hempstead Buildings Department which could cost as much as $2500,
> with
> fines every week the plane remains.
>
> What baffles me is why did people give a shit? Multiple residents of his
> street
> apparently called the police — why? If you drive by a house with a plane
> in the
> driveway and your primary reaction is anything other than “hey, cool —
> there’s a
> plane in that driveway,” then I think you, as a human, have some pretty
> severe
> problems.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: What's wrong with Mrs Clinton?

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Exorcism anyone?

Satanic possession?

Advanced syphilitic dementia?

Frontal lobe injury which impairs cognitive skills and logical thought?

Pick any two of the above?

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:03 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well, after much research on the internet, the list archives, and other
> credible sources, I have come to the conclusion that Hillary suffers from
> the "devil biting her big fat rump". I watched her squirm in a chair
> yesterday while Joe Biden spoke (although a Biden speech might equate to a
> devil rump bite). I think more research should be done. I also think she
> should be evaluated by a good Dr. like Kevorkian or some of his associates.
> I'm certain Soros and the Clinton Foundation have enough funds to provide
> this checkup. I'm still trying to keep an open mind regarding her condition
> (so many varying reports in the media...not the mainstream media, but
> others who aren't afraid to speak), but at present, the devil theory seems
> to hold the most promise.
> Best Wishes,
> Roger
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
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Re: [MBZ] Why the U.S. "lost" the Vietnam War?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Thanks for the link.

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 9:11 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> RB wrote:
> > They came up with the idea of a database that would link small bookstores
> > all over the place and then created the software and sold the idea to a
> > whole lot of little bookstores.
>
> Richarde told us about addall.com so I have been using that since.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Thanks - exhaust

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

You should drive the drop-top

--FT


On 8/15/16 10:14 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Midwest is a big place, where would you propose such a gathering?  Dan G. is in 
Chicago, I think Luther is nearby there as well.  I need to get back to 
Wisconsin, Rib Lake area, see my mom and visit my forty acres of forest, maybe 
I'll fly into Chicago?  No firm plans on my part now...


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Re: [MBZ] Nice looking SD

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I'll trade a better camera for it

--FT


On 8/15/16 10:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:


Mercedes 1984 300 SD (cash or trade)
http://austin.craigslist.org/cto/5693362587.html

via cPro for Craigslist
iOS: http://tinyurl.com/cPro-iDevice
Android: http://tinyurl.com/CL-Android


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Re: [MBZ] Pirelli tires might be crap

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

FIrst rain after a drought makes the roads very slick.

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 9:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> It rained today and they did not seem
> To have a problem
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 15, 2016, at 8:10 PM, clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > OR
> >
> > it could be that the tires are just fine, but the roads are coated in
> snot and baked on oil over the past few days of not having rain.  Get a
> little wet and the snot gets slicker than … snot.  Not enough wet to
> actually wash the oil off the roads, just enough to make it an ice rink
> >
> > clay
> >
> >> On Aug 14, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> So I have this set of Pirelli P7s on my 98 e300 that have maybe 15-20k
> miles on them now. These are 70k mile tires. Still have plenty of tread.
> Friday driving back home we had a little light rain and the roads were wet.
> I had an occasion going around a curve at about 30 and the rear ended
> started to try and slide. Also was coming to a stop and abs started kicking
> in. These always had good traction even in a downpour. So it seems after
> 20k their traction has gone to hell. I went to far as to pull over and make
> sure I did not have a low tire in the back.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Thanks - exhaust

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Curt wrote:
> You could take the train from Chi-Town to Boston.

Train?  Is there train ChiTown to Boston?
I will see - nice.  Boston seems nice to see by train.  Hahvahd Square
and Clik (no Clak).  Tappet Brothers - NPR Cheech
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf brakes

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I wonder if there is an equivalent operation to activate / bleed the ABS system 
on my 124 cars?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On August 16, 2016 2:11:22 PM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Again breaking in (see what I did there?) with car news.
>Some of you might remember some months ago I replaced the rear brake
>pads and calipers on the Golf I also free'd up the sticking caliper
>pins to make the calipers actually work.
>At the time I bled the brakes with my new power bleeder but the pedal
>travel remained short and touchy. A lot of newer vehicles are like that
>and I hate it. The repair instructions on myturbodiesel.com suggested
>using the VCDS (no idea what it stands for, its the computer link to
>the car) to bleed the ABS controller. I tried that but it didn't help.
>Recently it occurred to me I was probably doing it wrong, so today
>while trying to troubleshoot laggy turbo performance I ran through the
>ABS pump output tests a couple times. Result: MUCH better pedal feel.
>So I'd managed to bleed the air out of the calipers but air in the ABS
>pump itself was giving me squishy brakes...
>-Curt
>

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[MBZ] Tri-star Crack 'Ho

[clay via Mercedes]

I went to PnP to pick up a tail light for Mom, who backed into a Suburban.  

As I was driving in to the entry lane, a pair of white MB sedans caught my eye. 
 Builders sales lot… cars too nice to get stripped.  The 95 S420 was a great 20 
footer.  Fellow working the lot was alone on his first day and could not get 
data on the car, or find keys.  Called to the main office and found out they 
picked it up for $100, make offer sale, I said $500, he countered with $600.  
Hook was set, all that was needed to reel me in, would have been keys to be 
able to give it a crank.  NO ATF stick, and the oil stick brought up brown 
emulsion.  Interior was pretty nice, no tool kit in the trunk, odd pitting in 
the paint at the rear  door curve to the fender.

The two and a half hours I played with cars in the yard, that W140 was calling 
my name.  Must be what a crack head feels waiting to score another fix.  I want 
a white car so I can repaint it in Polizei colors.  I seem to be looking for 
some crafty thing to fill my spare time.

I got the tail light for Mom.  Could not remember what it looked like so got 
one older than her car, and one the year after.  One should work.  Found a pair 
of ’95 grilles and some other fun bits, like the passenger side wipers for 
W140.  Dealer cost for each is $150.  Number 1 son had to get new for his car, 
so may as well have spares, or something to sell on.  Found a nice W124 switch 
panel in zebrano.

After planning where to store the W140, how to get it there, timing of the 
events, how to get a key and registration, I went back to see if they would 
take a payment to hold the car until I could get it.  Found out the engine was 
blown, that is why it was there.  Sales guy thought it may be something like 
sprung timing chain smacked the valves.  From the oil, looks like it was 
overheated and blew the head gasket.  SO, that means sourcing a M119.  Add that 
to the list of things.

Drove home with my haul, without purchase of the car.  Dropped the grilles at 
my indy, who was able to persuade me to walk away.  Just take a deep breath and 
let it go.   Guess I save my cash to hit the BC Stars Show and Shine end of 
this month.




clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] Tri-star Crack 'Ho

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

You are a crack head. You have an addiction. You are among fellow travelers. 

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:14 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:

I went to PnP to pick up a tail light for Mom, who backed into a Suburban.  

As I was driving in to the entry lane, a pair of white MB sedans caught my eye. 
 Builders sales lot… cars too nice to get stripped.  The 95 S420 was a great 20 
footer.  Fellow working the lot was alone on his first day and could not get 
data on the car, or find keys.  Called to the main office and found out they 
picked it up for $100, make offer sale, I said $500, he countered with $600.  
Hook was set, all that was needed to reel me in, would have been keys to be 
able to give it a crank.  NO ATF stick, and the oil stick brought up brown 
emulsion.  Interior was pretty nice, no tool kit in the trunk, odd pitting in 
the paint at the rear  door curve to the fender.

The two and a half hours I played with cars in the yard, that W140 was calling 
my name.  Must be what a crack head feels waiting to score another fix.  I want 
a white car so I can repaint it in Polizei colors.  I seem to be looking for 
some crafty thing to fill my spare time.

I got the tail light for Mom.  Could not remember what it looked like so got 
one older than her car, and one the year after.  One should work.  Found a pair 
of ’95 grilles and some other fun bits, like the passenger side wipers for 
W140.  Dealer cost for each is $150.  Number 1 son had to get new for his car, 
so may as well have spares, or something to sell on.  Found a nice W124 switch 
panel in zebrano.

After planning where to store the W140, how to get it there, timing of the 
events, how to get a key and registration, I went back to see if they would 
take a payment to hold the car until I could get it.  Found out the engine was 
blown, that is why it was there.  Sales guy thought it may be something like 
sprung timing chain smacked the valves.  From the oil, looks like it was 
overheated and blew the head gasket.  SO, that means sourcing a M119.  Add that 
to the list of things.

Drove home with my haul, without purchase of the car.  Dropped the grilles at 
my indy, who was able to persuade me to walk away.  Just take a deep breath and 
let it go.   Guess I save my cash to hit the BC Stars Show and Shine end of 
this month.




clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] Curt makes the news

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Andrew wrote:
> Maybe it's a religious shrine. He could be an aeronautical pastor.

Airplane-Lives-Matter
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf brakes

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Max.

There is.

Though I could not put my finger right on it.

I said something about exercising the ABS valves one at a time.

I just use my speedi-Bleed.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Mercedes  on behalf of Max Dillon via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 17 August 2016 01:08
To: Curt Raymond; Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Max Dillon
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf brakes

I wonder if there is an equivalent operation to activate / bleed the ABS system 
on my 124 cars?
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf brakes

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Fred, I will dig into the FSM and see what I can learn.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Max.
>
> There is.
>
> Though I could not put my finger right on it.
>
> I said something about exercising the ABS valves one at a time.
>
> I just use my speedi-Bleed.
>
>
> Fred Moir.
> Lynn MA.
> Diesel preferred.
>
>
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Max Dillon
> via Mercedes 
> Sent: 17 August 2016 01:08
> To: Curt Raymond; Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Max Dillon
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf brakes
>
> I wonder if there is an equivalent operation to activate / bleed the ABS
> system on my 124 cars?
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

[clay via Mercedes]

More cramped than a W124.  While cooling my heels at stealer I took to seeing 
how well my back side fit these things.  GLA is made for dwarves.  E class, as 
most of the cars, provide good legroom for driver, but you have to be 
pre-pubescent to fit well behind.  GLE did have room enough to keep my knees 
from bumping the seat ahead.

clay



> On Aug 16, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am going to see if it’s a possibility, but I'm not sure how much the 
> difference would be.  I have not driven a recent E class.  I wonder how roomy 
> they are? 
> 
> Don Snook 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: OK Don [mailto:okd...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:03 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car
> 
> None of the above - get a Mercedes. and pay the difference yourself if you 
> have to.
> 
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes < 
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I MAY have a new job opportunity that includes a new car lease.  I am 
>> not sure about the details yet and therefore I am speculating about the 
>> terms.
>> So, this may be a bit of day dreaming.
>> 
>> Given what I am guessing is a monthly lease amount, I am wondering 
>> which vehicle would be best.  I don't think a Mercedes would meet the $ 
>> criteria.
>> So, here are some possible options:
>> 
>> Ford Taurus
>> Chevy Impala
>> Nissan Altima
>> Dodge Charger
>> Hyundai Sonata (although the Genesis would be nice, but probably too 
>> much
>> $)
>> Toyota Camry
>> 
>> Any opinions on these?  I know that's a broad question.  I like bigger 
>> cars (I'm 6'3" and 250).  So, I think the Taurus and Impala would be 
>> the roomiest.  I have heard a lot of good reviews about the "zero gravity"
>> seats in the Altima.  I might be driving as much as 600 miles a week.  
>> This could make leasing a car very difficult because putting that many 
>> miles on it could be prohibitively expensive.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Curt makes the news

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Curt, 
Remember the Dallas episode where JR had drugs planted on an opponent and then 
arrested? Just a thought. I'm having trouble understanding some of the member 
opinions on this. Yes, we are free to do what we want, UNTIL it causes a 
problem for others. I have a neighbor who is a real a**hole and since I live in 
the country, I'm told you can do whatever you want in the country. My old 
civics teacher in high school many years ago summed up civic responsibility 
quite simply as, "my right to swing my arm ends where your nose begins". I 
think it's called respect for the rights and wishes of others as well as 
yourself. After all, we do all need to live in this society which means we all 
can't just "do whatever we want". Just some additional thoughts on this topic. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] Curt makes the news

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I wouldn't have to plant drugs over there, I can smell them anytime the wind 
blows from the west...
A year or so ago my great uncle Fred died. My cousin Phil is executor of the 
will. Phil is a nice guy but not overly gifted in the thinking department. My 
dad was executor of great uncle Reg's estate so he's helping Phil out. Phil's 
sister Melanie is a real piece of work, 5 kids by 5 different fathers, a couple 
of whom she even married. With her father dead she's now seeing dollar signs.
Melanie decides she'll threaten Phil and my dad and leave a message on the 
machine that they're going to "get it" and the police will be all over them. 
We're all baffled so dad calls the police. An officer comes over and takes a 
recording, and tells dad that this happens all the time. Scum bags threaten 
other scum bags with police action. Being scum bags they're naturally afraid of 
the police. Of course my dad and Phil haven't done anything so they're 
effectively unthreaten-able since they haven't done anything to arise police 
ire. Melanie and her idiot husband got what must have been a hilarious visit 
from the police for these threatening phone calls...

-Curt


  From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
 To: "List, Mercedes"  
Cc: roger...@comcast.net
 Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 7:42 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Curt makes the news
   
Curt, 
Remember the Dallas episode where JR had drugs planted on an opponent and then 
arrested? Just a thought. I'm having trouble understanding some of the member 
opinions on this. Yes, we are free to do what we want, UNTIL it causes a 
problem for others. I have a neighbor who is a real a**hole and since I live in 
the country, I'm told you can do whatever you want in the country. My old 
civics teacher in high school many years ago summed up civic responsibility 
quite simply as, "my right to swing my arm ends where your nose begins". I 
think it's called respect for the rights and wishes of others as well as 
yourself. After all, we do all need to live in this society which means we all 
can't just "do whatever we want". Just some additional thoughts on this topic. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] Curt makes the news

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I can see M and her idiot husband sitting there in their tank tops 
smoking their Marlboro Lights and drinking a Bud Light or 3 and picking 
their tooth and telling the cops they dint do nuffin that Dad and Phil 
are causing trouble and whah ownt they mand there own damn bidness we 
dint do nuffin we never dun nuffin they always been so almighty uppity 
about everything anyway we dint do nuffin there makin it all up.  So 
there you talkin to the wrong people you know we ain't never dun nuffin 
so there.


--FT


On 8/16/16 7:51 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I wouldn't have to plant drugs over there, I can smell them anytime the wind 
blows from the west...
A year or so ago my great uncle Fred died. My cousin Phil is executor of the 
will. Phil is a nice guy but not overly gifted in the thinking department. My 
dad was executor of great uncle Reg's estate so he's helping Phil out. Phil's 
sister Melanie is a real piece of work, 5 kids by 5 different fathers, a couple 
of whom she even married. With her father dead she's now seeing dollar signs.
Melanie decides she'll threaten Phil and my dad and leave a message on the machine that 
they're going to "get it" and the police will be all over them. We're all 
baffled so dad calls the police. An officer comes over and takes a recording, and tells 
dad that this happens all the time. Scum bags threaten other scum bags with police 
action. Being scum bags they're naturally afraid of the police. Of course my dad and Phil 
haven't done anything so they're effectively unthreaten-able since they haven't done 
anything to arise police ire. Melanie and her idiot husband got what must have been a 
hilarious visit from the police for these threatening phone calls...

-Curt


   From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
  To: "List, Mercedes" 
Cc: roger...@comcast.net
  Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 7:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Curt makes the news

Curt,

Remember the Dallas episode where JR had drugs planted on an opponent and then arrested? Just a 
thought. I'm having trouble understanding some of the member opinions on this. Yes, we are free to 
do what we want, UNTIL it causes a problem for others. I have a neighbor who is a real a**hole and 
since I live in the country, I'm told you can do whatever you want in the country. My old civics 
teacher in high school many years ago summed up civic responsibility quite simply as, "my 
right to swing my arm ends where your nose begins". I think it's called respect for the rights 
and wishes of others as well as yourself. After all, we do all need to live in this society which 
means we all can't just "do whatever we want". Just some additional thoughts on this 
topic.
Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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Re: [MBZ] Tri-star Crack 'Ho

[clay via Mercedes]

Twelve step program for acquiring more Benz?

clay

> On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:21 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> You are a crack head. You have an addiction. You are among fellow travelers. 
> 
> --R (sent from my miniPad)
> 
> On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:14 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I went to PnP to pick up a tail light for Mom, who backed into a Suburban.  
> 
> As I was driving in to the entry lane, a pair of white MB sedans caught my 
> eye.  Builders sales lot… cars too nice to get stripped.  The 95 S420 was a 
> great 20 footer.  Fellow working the lot was alone on his first day and could 
> not get data on the car, or find keys.  Called to the main office and found 
> out they picked it up for $100, make offer sale, I said $500, he countered 
> with $600.  Hook was set, all that was needed to reel me in, would have been 
> keys to be able to give it a crank.  NO ATF stick, and the oil stick brought 
> up brown emulsion.  Interior was pretty nice, no tool kit in the trunk, odd 
> pitting in the paint at the rear  door curve to the fender.
> 
> The two and a half hours I played with cars in the yard, that W140 was 
> calling my name.  Must be what a crack head feels waiting to score another 
> fix.  I want a white car so I can repaint it in Polizei colors.  I seem to be 
> looking for some crafty thing to fill my spare time.
> 
> I got the tail light for Mom.  Could not remember what it looked like so got 
> one older than her car, and one the year after.  One should work.  Found a 
> pair of ’95 grilles and some other fun bits, like the passenger side wipers 
> for W140.  Dealer cost for each is $150.  Number 1 son had to get new for his 
> car, so may as well have spares, or something to sell on.  Found a nice W124 
> switch panel in zebrano.
> 
> After planning where to store the W140, how to get it there, timing of the 
> events, how to get a key and registration, I went back to see if they would 
> take a payment to hold the car until I could get it.  Found out the engine 
> was blown, that is why it was there.  Sales guy thought it may be something 
> like sprung timing chain smacked the valves.  From the oil, looks like it was 
> overheated and blew the head gasket.  SO, that means sourcing a M119.  Add 
> that to the list of things.
> 
> Drove home with my haul, without purchase of the car.  Dropped the grilles at 
> my indy, who was able to persuade me to walk away.  Just take a deep breath 
> and let it go.   Guess I save my cash to hit the BC Stars Show and Shine end 
> of this month.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
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[MBZ] Now here is a guy who ruined a 6.9

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

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Re: [MBZ] Now here is a guy who ruined a 6.9

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

This car was professionally retrofitted with a traditional suspension.

Is that ^ what you mean?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: What's wrong with Mrs Clinton?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

All 3 of these:

Satanic possession

Advanced syphilitic dementia

Frontal lobe injury which impairs cognitive skills and logical thought

Leading to the need for the exorcism.

There are times when you can see she is possessed in her eyes.   I have seen 
this in person on other people.

You DO NOT want one of them in ANY office, not even meter reader.

The fits/seizures, or whatever you want to call it are some evidence.



G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Satanic possession?

Advanced syphilitic dementia?

Frontal lobe injury which impairs cognitive skills and logical thought?



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Re: [MBZ] Now here is a guy who ruined a 6.9

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Stupid bumpers, ACC-II, body rot.  Total loss.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 9:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> yep pretty much.
>
>
> On 8/16/2016 9:41 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> This car was professionally retrofitted with a traditional suspension.
>>
>> Is that ^ what you mean?
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Curt makes the news

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Kollyphonya  (Kollyfonia?) Sister Syndrome.In my younger days, I 
called it California Sister Syndrome.


I have seem it so many times it should be in the APA handbook by now.

The first time I saw it in person was about 40 yrs ago.  My ffriends 
form Kolledge went back to farm with the family.  Grandpa (about 80) 
promised them the fram they lived on and farmed in his will.   His dad 
(grandpa's son) lived nearby on a farm he had "owned" and worked since 
late 1945 when he came back from the USAAF.   Only problem was that 
Grandpa never bothered to record legal deeds to the farms, nor set up a 
trust.  We don't know if or when his will was updated, or if he had a will.


(can you smell it coming?)

So grandpa croaks at 84 or 5 or so.  Is daught flies in from 
Kollyphonia.  either there was a will or not, I am not sure of the 
details, but both my fiend and his dad, either found out the will was 
not updated, or the sister hid the latest will or whatever.  At any 
rate, they made reasonable offers for "their" farms to buy out the 
Kollyphonia sister's interest at fair market value.   The Kollyphonia 
ssister has a hissy fit, runs all over the small town telling everyone 
they are trying to "steal" the farms from her.  Being from LA, she 
"knows" the farms are worth (X) times more than the price offered 
indicates.  (x = any number from 2 to 100, depending on how wacko the 
sister is)


Rather than agreeing to an appraisal, the Kollyphonya Sister calls in 
the big city shysters, who file lawsuits and fors everything to be 
sold.   The whole mess takes over 12 months, in which time both families 
are evicted and take huge losses.  The dad dies of a broken heart within 
a year, his wife very close to the same time.  My friend ended up havein 
his wife take the kids and leave, with a divorce in the time it took to 
wind through the court.


In the end, the fair market value IS the fair market value, the GREEDY 
sister gets less than the original offers, and goes back to Kollyphonia 
to sulk.


The sister with way overinflated ideas of farm value has been played out 
in many many families I have known.  Of all the kids I knew in HS who 
went on to farm, maybe 25% or less had a family that was able to make a 
generational transition.  In most of the cases, the sister lived in 
Kollyphonya.   Im my case, I was not fortunate enough to have a "sister" 
in Kollyphonya.  That is 10 times further away then my case.


Greed is greed, and unfortunately, greed and jealousy are rampant ing 
families.


Good luck with Melonhead.  We can hope the visit from the po-lice made a 
lasting impression.  If so then threats of sending the popos to her may 
keep her backed down.




Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
August 16, 2016 at 6:51 PM
Phil's sister Melanie is a real piece of work, 5 kids by 5 different 
fathers, a couple of whom she even married. With her father dead she's 
now seeing dollar signs.



-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf brakes

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The pressure bleed from on top was the only way I could get the 107 with 
ABS to behave.  I never had any such problem with 126 cars with ABS, 
just gravity bleed from above. Keep the reservoir full enough so it 
won't run out.  Simple.


I made a pressure bleeder with a new $10 1 gallon sprayer from the HoDe, 
a few fittings, 20' of 5/16 tubing and a new cap form flaps.   Dump a QT 
ot DOT5 fluid in and go.  In this case, I found real Castrol GT brake 
fluid, which is my mind the gold standard, although ATE stuff should 
also be a gold standard. (probably pentosin too)



Fred Moir via Mercedes 
August 16, 2016 at 8:48 PM
Max.

There is.

Though I could not put my finger right on it.

I said something about exercising the ABS valves one at a time.

I just use my speedi-Bleed.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.


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Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I love the SDLs!  No problem EVER with rear seat leg room!  A 126 SEL 
would serve as well, but not so economically.



clay via Mercedes 
August 16, 2016 at 9:19 PM
More cramped than a W124. While cooling my heels at stealer I took to 
seeing how well my back side fit these things. GLA is made for 
dwarves. E class, as most of the cars, provide good legroom for 
driver, but you have to be pre-pubescent to fit well behind. GLE did 
have room enough to keep my knees from bumping the seat ahead.


clay



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Re: [MBZ] Now here is a guy who ruined a 6.9

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Not even much good left for parts, except maybe M100 pahtz. 


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
August 16, 2016 at 9:34 PM
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Re: [MBZ] Curt makes the news

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Amen!

+1

We used to call it "Nosey neighbor."  They were the ones that ALWAYS 
listened in on the party line, but never were available when a neighbor 
needed help.

Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
August 16, 2016 at 2:08 PM
http://flightclub.jalopnik.com/everyone-just-shut-up-and-let-this-man-keep-his-plane-i-1721399598

The Cessna ended up in the driveway after the owner, 69-year old 
Harold Guretzky

had to give up his pilot’s license for health reasons. Rather than paying
$150/month to store the plane, he removed the wings and had it 
flat-bedded to
his driveway. He replaced the wings — which, I should add, do not 
encroach on

anyone’s property other than his own — and it didn’t take too long for the
neighbors to start complaining, which led to ticketing and a summons 
from the
Town of Hempstead Buildings Department which could cost as much as 
$2500, with

fines every week the plane remains.

What baffles me is why did people give a shit? Multiple residents of 
his street
apparently called the police — why? If you drive by a house with a 
plane in the
driveway and your primary reaction is anything other than “hey, cool — 
there’s a
plane in that driveway,” then I think you, as a human, have some 
pretty severe

problems.

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August 16, 2016 at 1:03 PM
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Re: [MBZ] Curt makes the news

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Ha!  I like that one!  Get an Rx from a flying Doc.!


Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
August 16, 2016 at 2:20 PM
He could claim his medical issues that keep him from flying have given 
him PTSD and he needs the plane around as medical treatment...

-Curt

From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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Cc: Floyd Thursby 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Curt makes the news

Harold needs to call it "art" and tell the neighbors it is guaranteed
expression under the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United
States of America and they can just STFU.

--FT


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
August 16, 2016 at 2:17 PM
Harold needs to call it "art" and tell the neighbors it is guaranteed 
expression under the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United 
States of America and they can just STFU.


--FT




Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
August 16, 2016 at 2:08 PM
http://flightclub.jalopnik.com/everyone-just-shut-up-and-let-this-man-keep-his-plane-i-1721399598

The Cessna ended up in the driveway after the owner, 69-year old 
Harold Guretzky

had to give up his pilot’s license for health reasons. Rather than paying
$150/month to store the plane, he removed the wings and had it 
flat-bedded to
his driveway. He replaced the wings — which, I should add, do not 
encroach on

anyone’s property other than his own — and it didn’t take too long for the
neighbors to start complaining, which led to ticketing and a summons 
from the
Town of Hempstead Buildings Department which could cost as much as 
$2500, with

fines every week the plane remains.

What baffles me is why did people give a shit? Multiple residents of 
his street
apparently called the police — why? If you drive by a house with a 
plane in the
driveway and your primary reaction is anything other than “hey, cool — 
there’s a
plane in that driveway,” then I think you, as a human, have some 
pretty severe

problems.

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August 16, 2016 at 1:03 PM
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Re: [MBZ] Curt makes the news

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

It looks GREAT!  Everyone should have one intheir driveway!  (or at 
least at their house) Just ask OK Don!



Shhesh, Andrew, didn't you ever watch the Jetsons?


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
August 16, 2016 at 2:12 PM
It's a fish out of water, very awkward looking.

On Aug 16, 2016 3:09 PM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" 


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Re: [MBZ] Curt makes the news

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Ooh!  That is a good one too!  Please pass these ideas on to 
Harold!   Somebody needs to start a fund (gofundxx?) to pay a shyster to 
defend him!  I'd chip in $5.  If 1000 or 2000 ppl across the country 
chipped in, it's probably make the city go hide.  City schmucks DO NOT 
like being sued.




Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
August 16, 2016 at 2:25 PM
Maybe it's a religious shrine. He could be an aeronautical pastor.



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Re: [MBZ] Now here is a guy who ruined a 6.9

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

yep pretty much.

On 8/16/2016 9:41 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

This car was professionally retrofitted with a traditional suspension.

Is that ^ what you mean?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Now here is a guy who ruined a 6.9

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

That is only one thing.  The general deterioration of pretty much every 
system indicates long term lack of service/maintenance.  How many 
decades since it had an oil change?  Interior shot, exterior shot, 
suspension gone, a/c not working, sunroof not right, windows not right, 
most body panels rotted.   Engine, trans, driveshaft and diff, all 
questionable, and likely abused, given the overall abuse of the car.


In person inspection may yield some favorable exceptions, but generally 
when a car is abused, everything is abused.



Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
August 16, 2016 at 9:41 PM
This car was professionally retrofitted with a traditional suspension.

Is that ^ what you mean?

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] 1982 300SD AC Question

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On August 15, 2016 at 11:25 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
> wrote:
 
> Fill it, and rejoice.

Agreed. At least with R12 you can fill until the bubbles go away in the sight
window. 
120 psig is about 102 degrees F. If you were moving much heat to the condenser,
it would be higher I'm sure. 

7 psig is about -4F. You want to see close to 35psig. I thought the low pressure
switch killed the compressor at something like 20 or 30 psi.

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Re: [MBZ] Nice looking SD

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

*T*hat's worth it for the color alone (mittelrot).  What are the cosmetic
issues, I wonder...

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

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>
> Mercedes 1984 300 SD (cash or trade)
> http://austin.craigslist.org/cto/5693362587.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT: What's wrong with Mrs Clinton?

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Well, after much research on the internet, the list archives, and other 
credible sources, I have come to the conclusion that Hillary suffers from the 
"devil biting her big fat rump". I watched her squirm in a chair yesterday 
while Joe Biden spoke (although a Biden speech might equate to a devil rump 
bite). I think more research should be done. I also think she should be 
evaluated by a good Dr. like Kevorkian or some of his associates. I'm certain 
Soros and the Clinton Foundation have enough funds to provide this checkup. I'm 
still trying to keep an open mind regarding her condition (so many varying 
reports in the media...not the mainstream media, but others who aren't afraid 
to speak), but at present, the devil theory seems to hold the most promise. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
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Re: [MBZ] Stealership slobbering goon

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Find a barn to stash it, then come back in 20 years to reap your profit$$..

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:28 PM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> You have no idea just how tempting that offer is
>
> Local club had show and shine yesterday.  All the newer cars are ticking
> bombs just waiting for an airbag to puff up or a bunny to take out the
> plastic trim.  That would also take out the sensors.   There is just no
> collectability to these, as they will not last long enough or have parts to
> keep them on the road.
>
> clay
>
>
> > On Aug 15, 2016, at 7:03 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > So would you take $500 for the car?
> >
> > Just kidding
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Re: [MBZ] Nice looking SD

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Again, the color is the biggest selling point.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> I'll trade a better camera for it
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 8/15/16 10:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>
>>
>> Mercedes 1984 300 SD (cash or trade)
>> http://austin.craigslist.org/cto/5693362587.html
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I was thinking that too.  If I could do a high mileage lease, then the residual 
value would be relatively low and I might be able to purchase it for my wife to 
drive.   I think she likes the Altima, too. 

Don Snook 

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Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 5:47 PM
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> On August 15, 2016 at 5:29 PM Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> There are high mileage leases, too.  One of my former partners got a 
> 100,000 mile lease (3 years).  He basically paid for the miles ahead 
> of time rather than getting penalized later.  He said he did the math and it 
> was still
> cheaper.   High mileage leases are more expensive, but if you know you are
> going to put a lot of miles on it, they might make sense. 

The cool thing about the 100k/36mo lease is the residual value is diddly-squat 
if you intend to buy it. 
I almost assumed the last five months on a 60k/39mo lease on a totally loaded
2012 Cruze LTZ. 
Not because I wanted to pay $230 a month to drive a Cruze, but because if I 
were to buy a GM econobox, a stick shift 1.4L turbo Cruze LTZ-RS with leather 
and everything would be the way to go, provided I could buy a 30kmi car for the 
auction value of a 60kmi car. 
Despite paying for 60k, he'd only put 32k on it, and the end of lease buyout 
was only $10,600.


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Re: [MBZ] Thanks - exhaust

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Yes, but that would delay the trip by (flll in the blank) years.  I still
haven't had time to get my hands on that car...

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> You should drive the drop-top
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 8/15/16 10:14 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Midwest is a big place, where would you propose such a gathering?  Dan G.
>> is in Chicago, I think Luther is nearby there as well.  I need to get back
>> to Wisconsin, Rib Lake area, see my mom and visit my forty acres of forest,
>> maybe I'll fly into Chicago?  No firm plans on my part now...
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Thanks - exhaust

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Max Bumpo inquires:

> Midwest is a big place, where >would you propose such a >gathering?

Probably close to South Bend (after Craig moves), or maybe the National 
Lakeshore Park here at the Southern tip of Lake Michigan.
I really wouldn't expect much of a turnout. There is maybe 4-5 list members 
within 800 miles...

Luther is now in St Louis.  

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] Nice looking SD

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Guccione-a-vision!

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
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> The car is too fuzzy?  Car has been coated with vaseline?
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > What are the cosmetic issues, I wonder...
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I am going to see if it’s a possibility, but I'm not sure how much the 
difference would be.  I have not driven a recent E class.  I wonder how roomy 
they are? 

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: OK Don [mailto:okd...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

None of the above - get a Mercedes. and pay the difference yourself if you have 
to.

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I MAY have a new job opportunity that includes a new car lease.  I am 
> not sure about the details yet and therefore I am speculating about the terms.
> So, this may be a bit of day dreaming.
>
> Given what I am guessing is a monthly lease amount, I am wondering 
> which vehicle would be best.  I don't think a Mercedes would meet the $ 
> criteria.
> So, here are some possible options:
>
> Ford Taurus
> Chevy Impala
> Nissan Altima
> Dodge Charger
> Hyundai Sonata (although the Genesis would be nice, but probably too 
> much
> $)
> Toyota Camry
>
> Any opinions on these?  I know that's a broad question.  I like bigger 
> cars (I'm 6'3" and 250).  So, I think the Taurus and Impala would be 
> the roomiest.  I have heard a lot of good reviews about the "zero gravity"
> seats in the Altima.  I might be driving as much as 600 miles a week.  
> This could make leasing a car very difficult because putting that many 
> miles on it could be prohibitively expensive.
>
> Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Nice looking SD

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Max wrote:
> The car is too fuzzy?  Car has been coated with vaseline?

I bet fuzzy makes mpg decrease.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Nice looking SD

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

The car is too fuzzy?  Car has been coated with vaseline?

-
Max
Charleston SC

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> What are the cosmetic issues, I wonder...
>
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Re: [MBZ] Thanks - exhaust

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Max wrote:
> ...Rib Lake area...

Rib Lake sounds like a nice gathering place.  Mitch drives to Rick,
Luther & mao are on the way.  Almost as nice as ChowdahQ.  No Midwest
creatures to share drive to ChowdahQ?  Really too late to chat it up,
but... maybe plans are in flux for some of us?  Otherwise, I go drink
espresso with other home-barista readers in MKW on the 10th.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Thanks - exhaust

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

You could take the train from Chi-Town to Boston. Angie and I are doing the 
ALB-CHI run at the end of September for our anniversary. Its a 15 hour ride but 
you leave ALB at 7pm, have dinner on the train and sleep your way to CHI. Up 
early for breakfast and then a day of fun in CHI.

-Curt

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Cc: Mountain Man 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 12:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thanks - exhaust
   
Max wrote:
> ...Rib Lake area...

Rib Lake sounds like a nice gathering place.  Mitch drives to Rick,
Luther & mao are on the way.  Almost as nice as ChowdahQ.  No Midwest
creatures to share drive to ChowdahQ?  Really too late to chat it up,
but... maybe plans are in flux for some of us?  Otherwise, I go drink
espresso with other home-barista readers in MKW on the 10th.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

You would think a law firm would pay for a Mercedes. In any case they are 
plenty roomy. Get a e250 bluetec. They get 40mpg, for real.

Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 16, 2016, at 10:59 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am going to see if it’s a possibility, but I'm not sure how much the 
> difference would be.  I have not driven a recent E class.  I wonder how roomy 
> they are? 
> 
> Don Snook 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: OK Don [mailto:okd...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:03 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car
> 
> None of the above - get a Mercedes. and pay the difference yourself if you 
> have to.
> 
>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes < 
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I MAY have a new job opportunity that includes a new car lease.  I am 
>> not sure about the details yet and therefore I am speculating about the 
>> terms.
>> So, this may be a bit of day dreaming.
>> 
>> Given what I am guessing is a monthly lease amount, I am wondering 
>> which vehicle would be best.  I don't think a Mercedes would meet the $ 
>> criteria.
>> So, here are some possible options:
>> 
>> Ford Taurus
>> Chevy Impala
>> Nissan Altima
>> Dodge Charger
>> Hyundai Sonata (although the Genesis would be nice, but probably too 
>> much
>> $)
>> Toyota Camry
>> 
>> Any opinions on these?  I know that's a broad question.  I like bigger 
>> cars (I'm 6'3" and 250).  So, I think the Taurus and Impala would be 
>> the roomiest.  I have heard a lot of good reviews about the "zero gravity"
>> seats in the Altima.  I might be driving as much as 600 miles a week.  
>> This could make leasing a car very difficult because putting that many 
>> miles on it could be prohibitively expensive.
>> 
>> Don Snook
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
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> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for 
> themselves."
> 
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Thanks - exhaust

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Rick wrote:
> Probably close to South Bend (after Craig moves)...

Is there a Craig schedule? - Craig?
Luther and Tommy are near St. Louis.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Thanks - exhaust

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 11:06:21 -0500 Mountain Man via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Rick wrote:
> > Probably close to South Bend (after Craig moves)...
> 
> Is there a Craig schedule? - Craig?

No schedule as yet. I'm fighting bad allergies right now.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I drive Mama's ML occasionally, which the E class of the SUV line.  At 
6'4" I find the longitudinal legroom OK, and don't even run the seat all 
the way back, but the width of the well between the door and the center 
console is annoying as my right knee hits the console sorta at the top 
of it where it is somewhat uncomfortable.  I do not feel that way on the 
SD (which might or might not be representative of a current S class).  
You should go sit in one or drive one and see how you feel in it but if 
you are taller that might be an issue.


--FT


On 8/16/16 11:59 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:

I am going to see if it’s a possibility, but I'm not sure how much the 
difference would be.  I have not driven a recent E class.  I wonder how roomy 
they are?

Don Snook

-Original Message-
From: OK Don [mailto:okd...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:03 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT leasing a car

None of the above - get a Mercedes. and pay the difference yourself if you have 
to.

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I MAY have a new job opportunity that includes a new car lease.  I am
not sure about the details yet and therefore I am speculating about the terms.
So, this may be a bit of day dreaming.

Given what I am guessing is a monthly lease amount, I am wondering
which vehicle would be best.  I don't think a Mercedes would meet the $ 
criteria.
So, here are some possible options:

Ford Taurus
Chevy Impala
Nissan Altima
Dodge Charger
Hyundai Sonata (although the Genesis would be nice, but probably too
much
$)
Toyota Camry

Any opinions on these?  I know that's a broad question.  I like bigger
cars (I'm 6'3" and 250).  So, I think the Taurus and Impala would be
the roomiest.  I have heard a lot of good reviews about the "zero gravity"
seats in the Altima.  I might be driving as much as 600 miles a week.
This could make leasing a car very difficult because putting that many
miles on it could be prohibitively expensive.

Don Snook
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[MBZ] OT Bowsaw Crosscut Bucksaw

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Today I ended up watching a lumberjack/woodcutter contest.   It was 
pretty interesting.  the axes and axemanship is way beyond my talents.  
But watching one man crosscut, 2 man crosscut, bucksaw and even bowsaw, 
I thought I should try the crosscut and bucksaw some year.  The bowsaw 
is so easy to get the blade going crooked, I never much liked a bowsaw, 
except for light pruning.


I finally went up and asked how long beforetime you have to register.  
They told me I could still sign up for the bowsaw, the last event, so I 
did.  Ha!  I have not run a crosscut or bucksaw for 50 years, and have 
not used a bowsaw for about the same time, other than for light 
pruning.  Once I hit 12 or 13, I started using the 35 lb chainsaw, and 
never went back to the lighter tools.  Ha!  I took ninth place.  The 
last 7 of the 8 people before me all had trouble keeping the blade 
straight, so I figgered the blade was bent/twisted and hard to control.  
I offset the twist and didn't go too fast the first half, then tried to 
pick up speed and then the blade went crooked. At that point, I knew I 
was screwed.  I kept trying to straighten the kerf, and managed to get 
through the piece.  I was surprised that the poor work still placed for 
a ribbon.  It was fun, so I think I should clean up the one man crosscut 
I have and try to sharpen it and practice, then enter next year.


Anyone know what the pros use to treat the crosscut saw?  Wax?  oil?  
I'd guess beeswax is the traditional treatment, but maybe the pros use 
ski wax or some other stuff.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Bowsaw Crosscut Bucksaw

[G Mann via Mercedes]

You need a saw set tool, which sets the tooth offset properly.. Then you
need to learn how to file the teeth properly so they are razor sharp..

Before you do any of that.. sand and polish the blade to a mirror like
finish.. buff it out.. clean and shiny blade has less drag.. tooth offset
ensures that the only contact the blade has with the wood is at point of
contact at the teeth.. no blade drag..

Less drag means less effort.. faster cut.. sharp teeth.. with proper saw
set means each move cuts wood..

If you go professional.. you will set and sharpen the teeth so the saw cuts
on both the push and pull stroke.. maximize the wood removal..

Time is money...

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 9:30 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Today I ended up watching a lumberjack/woodcutter contest.   It was pretty
> interesting.  the axes and axemanship is way beyond my talents.  But
> watching one man crosscut, 2 man crosscut, bucksaw and even bowsaw, I
> thought I should try the crosscut and bucksaw some year.  The bowsaw is so
> easy to get the blade going crooked, I never much liked a bowsaw, except
> for light pruning.
>
> I finally went up and asked how long beforetime you have to register.
> They told me I could still sign up for the bowsaw, the last event, so I
> did.  Ha!  I have not run a crosscut or bucksaw for 50 years, and have not
> used a bowsaw for about the same time, other than for light pruning.  Once
> I hit 12 or 13, I started using the 35 lb chainsaw, and never went back to
> the lighter tools.  Ha!  I took ninth place.  The last 7 of the 8 people
> before me all had trouble keeping the blade straight, so I figgered the
> blade was bent/twisted and hard to control.  I offset the twist and didn't
> go too fast the first half, then tried to pick up speed and then the blade
> went crooked. At that point, I knew I was screwed.  I kept trying to
> straighten the kerf, and managed to get through the piece.  I was surprised
> that the poor work still placed for a ribbon.  It was fun, so I think I
> should clean up the one man crosscut I have and try to sharpen it and
> practice, then enter next year.
>
> Anyone know what the pros use to treat the crosscut saw?  Wax?  oil?  I'd
> guess beeswax is the traditional treatment, but maybe the pros use ski wax
> or some other stuff.
>
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