RE: MC IDE, FreeGUI and an xCard job
Hello Larry and y'all, > Will this be one application on one server > or 500 separate installations. There are 500 schools that want to use FreeGUI, but the number of licences is another matter. My hypothesis is that each school will want at least one licence so that the school's techie-person can edit scripts longer than 10/20 lines. Maybe more than one for the schools who can afford it. OTOH, maybe not one-per-school if the schools organize themselves whereby one scriptor handles several schools. The gist of it is that there will be as many MC or RR licences sold as there technies wishing to script some scripts longer than the script-limit of the Starter Kit; otherwise, they will surely opt for a free Starter Kit. > If it's the latter I assume that the customer > will have to pay for 500 engine licenses, correct? Each participating school will purchase as many as they see fit for their independent programming needs. > The GUI may be free but doesn't the > engine have to be paid for? The Starter-Kit's only limitation is in the length of the scripts that one can edit. Check out its licencing if you are not entirely convinced that my approach is 100% legitimate. > I know some development tools specifically > state you can't develop a product that is > basically the same as the development tool. Runtime Revolution, for example. ;-) > Does that apply in this case? Runtime's Revolution licencing does not apply in this case because FreeGUI has been specifically granted an exception from this clause by Kevin himself (the kind CEO of Runtime, of course). Besides, FreeGUI has not been adapted yet to run on Rev, albeit it will be soon. > Larry Huisingh Chug a chug a chug .. choo! choo! (e.g. The Little Train That Could) Alain F __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
RE: MC IDE, FreeGUI and an xCard job
> Something wonderful has happened to me/us this week. > I've got a paying customer who wants to invest in the > development of a MetaCard-based authoring system like > MetaCard or RunRev, but it has to be even simpler than both > of these. Given that I'm the author of the current > incarnation of FreeGUI, e.g. a MetaCard-based clone of > HyperCard, it should not be surprising that I suggested > FreeGUI to this customer. He accepted! This means that he > will be investing money in the development of FreeGUI to make > it useable and easy enough for this customer's target > audience : administrators, teachers and students in 500 > schools in Quebec. No, it's not a typo, nor is it a mistake > ... *500* schools will be using it as early as this coming > summer (thousands of teachers and students). A total > breakthrough! :)) Will this be one application on one server or 500 separate installations. If it's the latter I assume that the customer will have to pay for 500 engine licenses, correct? The GUI may be free but doesn't the engine have to be paid for? I know some development tools specifically state you can't develop a product that is basically the same as the development tool. Does that apply in this case? Larry Huisingh ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC IDE, FreeGUI and an xCard job
Hi Alain, Greetings y'all, particularly to those who are interested in MC IDE, .. * My paying customer allows me to offer someone on this list a *job*, for the next three months minimum, to help me achieve our holy grail of crafting a free open-source authoring system easy enough for non-developers. Yup! A job! This is cool, although i live in germany ;-) The only catch is that you have to be 29 years old or less, This is HARD, very HARD!!! ... Pretty wild, eh! :)) Alain F Anyway, bonne chance :-) Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.major-k.de ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC IDE, FreeGUI and an xCard job
Alain Farmer wrote: ... I've got a paying customer who wants to invest in the development of a MetaCard-based authoring system like MetaCard or RunRev, but it has to be even simpler than both of these. Given that I'm the author of the current incarnation of FreeGUI, e.g. a MetaCard-based clone of HyperCard, it should not be surprising that I suggested FreeGUI to this customer. He accepted! This means that he will be investing money in the development of FreeGUI to make it useable and easy enough for this customer's target audience : administrators, teachers and students in 500 schools in Quebec. No, it's not a typo, nor is it a mistake ... *500* schools will be using it as early as this coming summer (thousands of teachers and students). A total breakthrough! :)) Especially for RunRev Ltd. 500 site licenses for the engine will be very welcome there, and the visibility benefits us all. Congratulations. That is surely good news for Rev although I am not so sure that they are equally happy that FreeRev will be the most visible part. It will be really great if the customer support allows Allan to bring FreeGUI to official release. I think it deserves to be used by more people. ... * FreeGUI and MC-IDE have a similar goal : to develop and maintain a free open-source alternative IDE for the MC-engine. Our efforts could therefore be coordinated in order to synergize both our projects, > or merged together to form ONE stronger project. How this project coordinates with the needs of MC IDE audience will of course depend on the details of your design. But the spirit of sharing is appreciated, and if the open source license chosen for you project will be as liberal as the X11 license which governs the MC IDE itself I'm happy to help with such coordination if I can, whether as poohbah or in any other contributor role. As someone who is somewhat familiar with FreeGUI besides MC and HC, I believe that it will be worth to keep FreeGUI as a separate product, cross-polination and collaboration between FreeGUI and MC IDE not excluding. Rev's IDE is... well Rev's IDE, the default now. The spartan (let' not start that discussion again :) MC IDE is for certain users only, particularly advanced users and those that do not like too many palettes and windows. FreeGUI brings the simplicity and different tradition and may be quite appealing to those UI users that Dan Shafer is concerned about, but may slow down advanced MC users. In other words, me thinks that having three IDE's can benefit us all. Robert Brenstein ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC IDE, FreeGUI and an xCard job
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Re: MC IDE, FreeGUI and an xCard job
Alain Farmer wrote: ... > I've got a paying customer who wants to invest in the > development of a MetaCard-based authoring system like > MetaCard or RunRev, but it has to be even simpler than > both of these. Given that I'm the author of the > current incarnation of FreeGUI, e.g. a MetaCard-based > clone of HyperCard, it should not be surprising that I > suggested FreeGUI to this customer. He accepted! This > means that he will be investing money in the > development of FreeGUI to make it useable and easy > enough for this customer's target audience : > administrators, teachers and students in 500 schools > in Quebec. No, it's not a typo, nor is it a mistake > ... *500* schools will be using it as early as this > coming summer (thousands of teachers and students). A > total breakthrough! :)) Especially for RunRev Ltd. 500 site licenses for the engine will be very welcome there, and the visibility benefits us all. Congratulations. ... > * FreeGUI and MC-IDE have a similar goal : to develop > and maintain a free open-source alternative IDE for > the MC-engine. Our efforts could therefore be > coordinated in order to synergize both our projects, > or merged together to form ONE stronger project. My six-month tenure as poohbah ends on Groundhog Day (2 Feb), but whether I'm re-elected or the crew here opts for fresher blood I'm sure the community recognizes the value of such synergy. How this project coordinates with the needs of MC IDE audience will of course depend on the details of your design. But the spirit of sharing is appreciated, and if the open source license chosen for you project will be as liberal as the X11 license which governs the MC IDE itself I'm happy to help with such coordination if I can, whether as poohbah or in any other contributor role. > Please mail your comments [about MC-IDE and FreeGUI > integration] ... If at all possible I think there may be benefit in maintaining discussion of the MC IDE here on this list, honoring the vote on such discussion held here back in August. Of course anything that doesn't affect future possible changes to the MC IDE should be discussed freely in any appropriate forum. But for those things which may affect the design of the MC IDE, maintaining such discussion here allows the community to make informed decisions about their environment. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
