Re: [meteorite-list] thanks for the recomendations - Now I'm Annoyed

2003-01-13 Thread Jeff Kuyken
Hi Steve,

I really hope that you are sincere with this latest 'apology'! I was just
searching the web using Google for information and possible sale items for a
rarer meteorite and found the top 2 hits were from the Meteorite List
Archives, (which is often the case).

I clicked on the first only to find it was just one of your spams trying to
get another rare meteorite. The second? Another separate email asking for
the same thing a few days later!!! Please! Enough is enough!

I hope that you are able to find more fulfillment in your growing collection
and all the other great things that go with the hobby; such as this list!
The year is still young, so plenty of time to make it a good one!

Cheers,

Jeff Kuyken
I.M.C.A. #3085
www.meteoritesaustralia.com




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RE: [meteorite-list] thanks for the recomendations

2003-01-13 Thread Greg Redfern



Steve,
 
   We, your colleagues on this list, have heard this 
before.  I hope for ALL our sakes (especially yours) you become successful 
in getting on the right track as you have proposed.
 
  
Steve, ponder this just to yourself. Do you REALLY appreciate these rocks from 
space for what they truly are - scientific treasures each and every one of them? 
Or are they just chattel to you - to be bought, traded and forgotten. I too once 
thought of getting into the "business", but I cannot bring myself to part with 
any of my collection...they are just too precious to me. EACH of them is a 
link to occurances in the distant past of the solar system that we can only try 
to devine through science. To hold each one is to connect with the Universe in a 
way that is not possible through any other means.
 
Of 
course you can do whatever you want with your collection, but you can do so in 
private or through other means as many have suggested without causing undue 
attention to be brought upon yourself via this List. Think about it Steve and 
let your actions speak far louder than your words on this List have done so far. 

 
I wish 
you well in this worthy personal endeavour.
 
All 
the best,
Greg RedfernIMCA #5781www.meteoritecollectors.org 

 
  

 
 

  -Original Message-From: 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of STEVE 
  ARNOLDSent: Monday, January 13, 2003 6:40 PMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [meteorite-list] thanks 
  for the recomendations
  Good evening list. I'll try and keep it short. I guess when you let the 
  horse out of the barn, it is stupid to go and close the barn door. Well I want 
  to thank all the decent people who have emailed me about my constant posting 
  of reposting. From now on Iam going to take the advise of all who have gone on 
  before in this great hobby, to think what I am doing before it becomes a 
  habitual nightmare of never ending posts of nothing. Thank you all for the 
  "smart " emails to help guide me and make me think before I act. When I look 
  back at all the same repeats, it boggles my mind why I did it. Well it is a 
  new year, and I guess I just needed to be told and learn, and go from there. 
  Thanks again for getting me back on track.
    
  steve arnold, chicago
  Steve r. Arnold, Chicago, il, 60107
  The midwest meteorite collector!
  I.M.C.A. member #6728
  Website url 
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Fwd: [meteorite-list] thanks for the recomendations

2003-01-13 Thread SSachs9056
Steve and List,

Somehow Steve, I really don't think you have got the message. The good folks 
here on the list have been ever so patient, and yet you continue. Please go 
back Steve and carefully re-read the recents posts regarding your "trades", 
etc. It does seem that you view meteorites and micro-sections that you 
obtain, no more than a commodity, or a collectable---like baseball cards. If 
that is all there is to your collecting, well...that's sad. One might just as 
well buy and sell gold or silver bullion.

I have looked back into the archives of this list server and did you know 
Steve that your VERY FIRST posting was a brief introduction as to who you 
were, and then you ended your post with some kind of offer for a trade or you 
were looking to buy specimens. Rememberthis was your very first post. 
It's almost been non-stop since. I also have scanned just about all of your 
previous posts, and could only find approximately 5 postings where you 
requested information regarding the science of meteorites. For the most part, 
your postings are solicitations for trades, sales and so forth. I was also 
however, a bit taken aback from your earlier posting is that you are an 
aggresive person, and would not change for anyone...it's who you are, etc; 
etc. That kind of post won't exactly endure yourself to many on this list, 
other than the "likeminded" aggresive individuals. 

You state you want to be really liked by members of this list, but what have 
you done to obtain / earn that status? Continued spam-like ads isn't the 
ticket. And now you seemed to have made some sort of declaration of not 
wanting to change behavior. Is that the true nature of who you are? I really 
do hope you will re-read the earlier posts, and possibly gain some insight. I 
really believe you could offer some good information regarding your 
collection, and so forth.

I just hope there will be a few remaining members of this list, willing to 
hear it.

Steven L. Sachs / IMCA # 9210

--- Begin Message ---
Good evening list. I'll try and keep it short. I guess when you let the horse out of the barn, it is stupid to go and close the barn door. Well I want to thank all the decent people who have emailed me about my constant posting of reposting. From now on Iam going to take the advise of all who have gone on before in this great hobby, to think what I am doing before it becomes a habitual nightmare of never ending posts of nothing. Thank you all for the "smart " emails to help guide me and make me think before I act. When I look back at all the same repeats, it boggles my mind why I did it. Well it is a new year, and I guess I just needed to be told and learn, and go from there. Thanks again for getting me back on track.
  steve arnold, chicagoSteve r. Arnold, Chicago, il, 60107
The midwest meteorite collector!
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Re: [meteorite-list] thanks for the recomendations

2003-01-13 Thread Mark Miconi



YADA YADA YADAheard it all beforethe proof 
will be in the lack of puddingor a spam.
 
Steve in your case the horse is dead and the barn 
burned to the ground. We(including myself) will gladly help you rebuild the barn 
and find a new horse. Just ease up a bit and stick to your word and do not post 
trades and deals so much and so often. It is a safe bet that one is enough, most 
everyone reads every post, if they are interested they will contact you. Since 
it seems as though contacts have been not coming in by the bucket load it may be 
that no one is truly interested.
 
We do thank you for your effort, get a grip man and 
enjoy the list and the hobby and help others that are involved in this list to 
enjoy it with you.
 
It is a new yeareveryone deserves a new 
start...I want to be the first to say welcome to the list, live, love your hobby 
and learn.
 
Bright Blessings,
 
Mark M.
Phoenix AZ

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  STEVE 
  ARNOLD 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 4:39 
  PM
  Subject: [meteorite-list] thanks for the 
  recomendations
  
  Good evening list. I'll try and keep it short. I guess when you let the 
  horse out of the barn, it is stupid to go and close the barn door. Well I want 
  to thank all the decent people who have emailed me about my constant posting 
  of reposting. From now on Iam going to take the advise of all who have gone on 
  before in this great hobby, to think what I am doing before it becomes a 
  habitual nightmare of never ending posts of nothing. Thank you all for the 
  "smart " emails to help guide me and make me think before I act. When I look 
  back at all the same repeats, it boggles my mind why I did it. Well it is a 
  new year, and I guess I just needed to be told and learn, and go from there. 
  Thanks again for getting me back on track.
    
  steve arnold, chicago
  Steve r. Arnold, Chicago, il, 60107
  The midwest meteorite collector!
  I.M.C.A. member #6728
  Website url 
  http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com
  
  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon Show Meteorite Guide

2003-01-13 Thread Michael L Blood
Hi All,
Thanks Jeff,
To get the coupon, go to:

http://www.lafuenterestaurant.com/coupon.htm

and print that puppy out.
Best wishes, Michael


on 1/13/03 6:05 PM, Carl Saconn at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi Everybody,
> Just wanted to let everyone know about the free margarita or beer coupon on
> the LA FUENTE web site just in case you spend all your money at the auction.
> It's at www.lafuenterestaurant.com  There was talk earlier of mixing
> gunpowder and alcohol, but let's not go there, especially being this close
> to the Mexican border! Adios Amigos!
> - Original Message -
> From: "Michael L Blood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Michael L Blood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jeff Kuyken"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Meteorite List"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 12:33 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Tuscon Show Meteorite Guide
> 
> 
>> Hi All,
>> Paul has informed me that my dysperexia has kicked in again!
>> I seem to constantly interchange the titles of Meteorite Exchange and
>> Meteorite Central. It took me 2 years to get them strait in my head which
>> was which - but even after that, I often use one when I MEAN the other.
>> Please forgive such ineptitude. I have been told by learning disability
>> shrinks there is no amount of effort on my part to EVER learn to spell,
>> or, apparently, keep things like this strait!
>> In any event
>> It is Meteorite Exchange, of course, that will be hosting the
> Tucson
>> Show Meteorite Guide! This information will be available at:
>> http://www.meteorite.com/tucson.htm
>> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon Show Meteorite Guide

2003-01-13 Thread Carl Saconn
Hi Everybody,
 Just wanted to let everyone know about the free margarita or beer coupon on
the LA FUENTE web site just in case you spend all your money at the auction.
It's at www.lafuenterestaurant.com  There was talk earlier of mixing
gunpowder and alcohol, but let's not go there, especially being this close
to the Mexican border! Adios Amigos!
- Original Message -
From: "Michael L Blood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael L Blood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jeff Kuyken"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Meteorite List"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 12:33 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tuscon Show Meteorite Guide


> Hi All,
> Paul has informed me that my dysperexia has kicked in again!
> I seem to constantly interchange the titles of Meteorite Exchange and
> Meteorite Central. It took me 2 years to get them strait in my head which
> was which - but even after that, I often use one when I MEAN the other.
> Please forgive such ineptitude. I have been told by learning disability
> shrinks there is no amount of effort on my part to EVER learn to spell,
> or, apparently, keep things like this strait!
> In any event
> It is Meteorite Exchange, of course, that will be hosting the
Tucson
> Show Meteorite Guide! This information will be available at:
> http://www.meteorite.com/tucson.htm
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] More on NWA 753 and NWA 978

2003-01-13 Thread John Divelbiss
Bernd, Mark and Dean,

Thank you for your responses on NWA R-chondrites. My comparison is that my
two slices of 978 looks a lot fresher than my two 753 slices and one
individual, which are more oxidized (orange colored) than the 978 I have.
The chondrules appear to be rounder and smaller too in the 978. The 782 and
800 ones are also relatively fresh looking, but to me they look different
from 753 and 978. The 978 and Dean's latest material look alike by my
comparisons, and yes Bernd they have light colored chondrules in a greyish
black matrix that is like looking into the milky way.  Very nice material.
The new piece from Dean had a fair amount of white caliche on the exterior,
but the interior is fresh looking.

The price of these R meteorites ($7 to 20/g), along with Allende($4 to 5/g),
Bilanga ($12 to 18/g), Gao ($1 +/-), Zag ($0.50 to $2/g), SA ($0.30 to
$1.00/g) offer some of the best deals out there right now for great falls
and finds. What a time to build a collection.

John
- Original Message -
From: "Bernd Pauli HD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Meteorite List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:15 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] More on NWA 753 and NWA 978


> Bernd Pauli HD schrieb:
>
> > NWA 753 is a R3.9 rumurutiite chondrite,
> > NWA 978 is classified as an R3.8 chondrite
>
> Hello again,
>
> I just looked at my two little NWA 753 chondrites
> from Jim Strope and Michael Blood and compared
> them to my NWA 978 endcut from the Hupés. My
> personal observation is that the chondrules in 753
> are a bit larger and slightly oval, whereas they are
> smaller in my beautiful 978 endcut. Moreover, my
> NWA 978 has a slightly cloudy texture (you might
> also call it a dark-light structure which somehow
> reminds me of the Milky Way at night with the
> unaided eye :-)
>
> Best regards,
>
> Bernd
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[meteorite-list] Big Impactites from Monturaqui $5-$8 each

2003-01-13 Thread Rodrigo Martinez
Hola List
Today I update my website http://www.meteorites.cl with impactites from
monturaqui ($5-$8 each)

Monturaqui Impactites
The meteoric crater of Monturaqui, located near to the south border of
the Salar de Atacama (23º 55,5" S and 68º 15,6" W) and with altitude of
3000 m, was formed around 100,000 years ago by the impact of a iron
meteorite (coarse octahedrite IA) of an estimated diameter of 13.4m and
9,870 ton. Which formed a crater of 380 m of diametre in the line E-W
and 360m in the line N-S with a depth of 31m. Recognized the first time
in 1962 by Joaquin Sánchez,  from of the examination of an air
photography.

These Impactites are the most significative material of  meteoric origin, in
the crater and it consists of a minerals cluster highly heterogeneous,
formed mainly for granitic minerals inside of glass that  involves small Fe-
Ni spheres, of sizes between  some microns up to 2mm. (Roeschmann, C.
& Rada, C.,2000.)

Best Regards

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Re: [meteorite-list] Canon City, Colorado

2003-01-13 Thread David Freeman
Dear John;
One of our list rules is not to post pictures directly to the list. 
Please post pictures to links that we can click on.  Pictures take up 
band space that is valuableand there are many of us that are not 
interested in waiting for pictures to down load.
Thanks for your future consideration and read the list rules before posting.
Dave Freeman

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello all:

I have three small fragments of this elusive meteorite which fell on 27
October 1973. I did not weigh the fragments but the photo gives some idea of
the size.

This mico is not for sale - trade only! I collect witnessed falls,
carbonaceous chondrites, and achondrites. Anyone have something I can use?
No DaG or NWA please.

John Schooler






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[meteorite-list] Canon City, Colorado

2003-01-13 Thread john
Hello all:

I have three small fragments of this elusive meteorite which fell on 27
October 1973. I did not weigh the fragments but the photo gives some idea of
the size.

This mico is not for sale - trade only! I collect witnessed falls,
carbonaceous chondrites, and achondrites. Anyone have something I can use?
No DaG or NWA please.

John Schooler

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[meteorite-list] NASA Instrument Captures Early Antarctic Ice Shelf Melting

2003-01-13 Thread Ron Baalke


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Dr. Mark Drinkwater  +31 (0) 71 565 4514
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Michael Smart  (801) 422-7320
Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah

Dr. Steve Harangozo  01 1223 221437
British Antarctic Survey, Cambridge, United Kingdom  

January 13, 2003
   
News Release: 2003-004

NASA Instrument Captures Early Antarctic Ice Shelf Melting

An international research team using data from NASA's SeaWinds
instrument aboard the Quick Scatterometer spacecraft has detected the
earliest yet recorded pre-summer melting event in a section of
Antarctica's Larsen Ice Shelf.  This huge, nearly 200 meter (656 foot)
thick plate of glacier-fed floating ice, which in the late 1980s was
about as large as Indiana, experienced dramatic disintegration events
beginning in 1995 that have reduced its area by nearly 10 percent, or
more than two trillion tons of ice. 

Researchers Dr. Mark Drinkwater of the European Space Agency, Dr.
David Long of Brigham Young University and Dr. Steve Harangozo of the
British Antarctic Survey used near real time Quick Scatterometer
(QuikScat) data to document a rapid, extensive melting of the Larsen C
Ice Shelf in Antarctica's Weddell Sea from Oct. 27 to Oct. 29, 2002. 
The melting, which extended to 68 degrees south, was triggered by a
mid-latitude cyclone that delivered warm air to the region.  The same
storm is believed to have also caused a noticeable recession in the
sea-ice margin to the west of the Antarctic Peninsula.  The QuikScat
images are available at:

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA03894

Air temperatures in the region typically exceed freezing for a few
days on or after November 1 each year-a precursor to sustained summer
melting that normally sets in several weeks later at these latitudes. 
The cumulative duration of these annual summer melting events is
likely to have increased substantially over the past 50 years as
summer average air temperatures on the eastern side of the Antarctic
Peninsula have warmed appreciably (approximately two degrees Celsius,
or 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit).  Scientists believe these events are
responsible for the previous breakups of Larsen and other ice shelves.
Therefore, the ability to observe such events in near real time using
scatterometers is of great interest to researchers, since they may
provide invaluable clues to the fate of other, much larger Antarctic
ice shelves.

While scientists used to believe there was no connection between
recent Antarctic Peninsula warming and the natural cycle of
deglaciation, recent field measurements provide some evidence to
suggest the frequency of summer melting, and the resulting quantities
of melt water penetrating ice shelves, may be connected with the
accelerated disintegration of Larsen and other Antarctic ice shelves. 

"The water is believed to penetrate cracks and fissures in the ice and
refreeze at depth, where the ice is relatively colder," said
Drinkwater.  "As the ice expands, this process effectively drives a
wedge into existing cracks to accelerate the natural fracture
process."

Scatterometers operate by transmitting high-frequency microwave pulses
to Earth's surface and measuring the "backscattered," or echoed, radar
pulses bounced back to the satellite.  Moshe Pniel, scatterometer
projects manager at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena,
Calif., which developed and manages the instruments, said
scatterometers such as SeaWinds on QuikScat and a similar SeaWinds
instrument on Japan's recently launched Advanced Earth Observing
Satellite 2 (Adeos 2), are proving to be increasingly important in
monitoring land and ice processes. 

"Scatterometers can effectively and quickly detect the difference
between melting and dry surfaces," he said.  "They provide an
important new tool in our capability to monitor climate change impacts
on the Antarctic ice cover on a daily basis.  These scatterometer data
are vital in the southern hemisphere because near real time synthetic
aperture radar data is not available there on a frequent,
uninterrupted basis.  QuikScat measurements being compiled and
archived in the Scatterometer Climate Record Pathfinder study by Long
and Drinkwater (http://www.scp.byu.edu http://www.scp.byu.edu/) enable
critical assessments of the links between changes taking place in
global ice cover and associated changes in important elements of
Earth's closely-linked ocean-atmosphere climate system." 

QuikScat measurements and image data developed by Long are processed
and distributed in near real time by the National Oceanic and
Atmospheric Administration, providing scientists at the British
Antarctic Survey and elsewhere with rapid access to low-resolution
radar data that can be us

[meteorite-list] New Moons Found Around Neptune

2003-01-13 Thread Ron Baalke

http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/press/pr0303.html

Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
Press Release No.: 03-03
For Release: January 13, 2003

New Moons Found Around Neptune

Cambridge, MA - A team of astronomers led by Matthew Holman
(Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics) and JJ Kavelaars (National
Research Council of Canada) has discovered three previously unknown moons
of Neptune. This boosts the number of known satellites of the gas giant to
eleven. These moons are the first to be discovered orbiting Neptune since
the Voyager II flyby in 1989, and the first discovered from a ground-based
telescope since 1949.

It now appears that each giant planet's irregular satellite population is
the result of an ancient collision between a former moon and a passing
comet or asteroid. "These collisional encounters result in the ejection of
parts of the original parent moon and the production of families of
satellites. Those families are exactly what we're finding," said
Kavelaars.

The team that discovered these new satellites of Neptune includes Holman
and Kavelaars, graduate student Tommy Grav (University of Oslo &
Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics), and undergraduate students
Wesley Fraser and Dan Milisavljevic (McMaster University, Hamilton,
Ontario, Canada).

Needle in a Haystack

The new satellites were a challenge to detect because they are only about
30-40 kilometers (18-24 miles) in size. Their small size and distance from
the Sun prevent the satellites from shining any brighter than 25th
magnitude, about 100 million times fainter than can be seen with the
unaided eye.

To locate these new moons, Holman and Kavelaars utilized an innovative
technique. Using the 4.0-meter Blanco telescope at the Cerro Tololo
Inter-American Observatory, Chile, and the 3.6-meter Canada-France-Hawaii
Telescope, Hawaii, they took multiple exposures of the sky surrounding the
planet Neptune. After digitally tracking the motion of the planet as it
moved across the sky, they then added many frames together to boost the
signal of any faint objects. Since they tracked the planet's motion, stars
showed up in the final combined image as streaks of light, while the moons
accompanying the planet appeared as points of light.

Prior to this find, two irregular satellites and six regular satellites of
Neptune were known. The two irregular satellites were also the largest:
Triton, discovered in 1846 by William Lassell, and Nereid, discovered in
1949 by Gerard Kuiper. Triton is considered irregular because it orbits
the planet in a direction opposite to the planet's rotation, indicating
that Triton is likely a captured Kuiper Belt Object. (The Kuiper Belt is a
disk-shaped collection of icy objects that circle the Sun beyond the orbit
of Neptune.) Nereid is considered irregular because it has a highly
elliptical orbit around Neptune. In fact, its orbit is the most elliptical
of any satellite in the solar system. Many scientists believe that Nereid
once was a regular satellite whose orbit was disrupted when Triton was
gravitationally captured. The six regular satellites were discovered by
the Voyager probe during its encounter with Neptune. The three new
satellites were missed by Voyager II because of their faintness and great
distance from Neptune. According to Holman, "The discovery of these moons
has opened a window through which we can observe the conditions in the
solar system at the time the planets were forming."

Tracking Faint Blips

The researchers are currently conducting follow-up observations to better
define the orbits of the newfound moons using orbital predictions supplied
by Brian Marsden (Director of the Minor Planet Center in Cambridge, Mass.)
and Robert Jacobson (Jet Propulsion Laboratory).

To follow up the initial find, team members Brett Gladman (University of
British Columbia, Canada); Jean-Marc Petit, Philippe Rousselot, and
Olivier Mousis (Observatoire de Besancon, France); and Philip Nicholson
and Valerio Carruba (Cornell University) conducted additional observations
using the Hale 5-meter telescope on Mount Palomar and one of the four
8.2-meter telescopes of the European Southern Observatory's Very Large
Telescope at Paranal Observatory, Chile. Grav made additional tracking
observations using the 2.6-meter Nordic Optical Telescope on La Palma,
Spain.

Holman says, "Tracking these moons is an enormous, international
undertaking involving the efforts of many people. Without teamwork, such
faint objects could be easily lost."

Based in La Serena, Chile, the Cerro Tololo Inter-American Observatory is
part of the National Optical Astronomy Observatory, which is operated by
the Association of Universities for Research in Astronomy, Inc., under a
cooperative agreement with the National Science Foundation.

The Canada-France-Hawaii Telescope is operated by the CFHT Corporation
under a joint agreement between the National Research Council of Canada,
the Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique of Franc

[meteorite-list] thanks for the recomendations

2003-01-13 Thread STEVE ARNOLD
Good evening list. I'll try and keep it short. I guess when you let the horse out of the barn, it is stupid to go and close the barn door. Well I want to thank all the decent people who have emailed me about my constant posting of reposting. From now on Iam going to take the advise of all who have gone on before in this great hobby, to think what I am doing before it becomes a habitual nightmare of never ending posts of nothing. Thank you all for the "smart " emails to help guide me and make me think before I act. When I look back at all the same repeats, it boggles my mind why I did it. Well it is a new year, and I guess I just needed to be told and learn, and go from there. Thanks again for getting me back on track.
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[meteorite-list] Fw: few auctions ending tonight & tomorrow !

2003-01-13 Thread Michael Cottingham



 
- Original Message - 
From: Michael 
Cottingham 
To: Michael Cottingham 
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:21 PM
Subject: few auctions ending tonight & tomorrow !

Hello Everyone,
 
Classic Quick Cottingham Note!  A few Auctions 
are ending tonight
and tomorrow...please take a peak!
 
goto:
 
http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 
 
Thanks & Best Wishes
Michael Cottingham


[meteorite-list] Oriented meteorites #2

2003-01-13 Thread PolandMET.com
Hello
BIG thanks to all who send me photos.
Now I done page with some photos from my speciment.
Baszkowka, Adamana, Middlesbrough, and 3x nice Gao
there is link:
http://www.meteoryt.net/meteors/index.htm and in menu click on
"Orientowane meteoryty" or directly to this page.
http://www.meteoryt.net/meteors/met_orientowane/index.htm

I want also ask You all who have any oriented meteorites or "bullets" and
can send me photos of this speciments, to make one or two shots from left
and right side and one from back side, becouse this is also verry
interesting, not only flowlines and regmaglyptes on front side. If this is
possible take a look first of photos on my page.

thank You all

--[ MARCIN CIMALA ]--[ IMCA#3667 ]--
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[meteorite-list] [Fwd: Oriented meteorites 2]

2003-01-13 Thread Bernd Pauli HD


--- Begin Message ---
Hello
BIG thanks to all who send me photos.
Now I done page with some photos from my speciment.
Baszkowka, Adamana, Middlesbrough, and 3x nice Gao
there is link:
http://www.meteoryt.net/meteors/index.htm and in menu click on
"Orientowane meteoryty" or directly to this page.
http://www.meteoryt.net/meteors/met_orientowane/index.htm

I want also ask You all who have any oriented meteorites or "bullets" and
can send me photos of this speciments, to make one or two shots from left
and right side and one from back side, becouse this is also verry
interesting, not only flowlines and regmaglyptes on front side. If this is
possible take a look first of photos on my page.

thank You all

--[ MARCIN CIMALA ]--[ IMCA#3667 ]--
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[meteorite-list] Georgia Tektite (ad)

2003-01-13 Thread Michael L Blood
 Hi all,
In case anyone is interested in even seeing a photo, I have
one Georgia Tektite. It is 8.498g and perfect, with no breaks or
even chips. It is beautifully transparent and exceptional color
for a Georgiaite (they tend to be a very ugly green - and this one
is a half way pleasing color).
I will sell it for half the market price to the first one to
contact me. Two photos of it (by translucent and by reflected
light) can be seen at:

http://community.webshots.com/album/60615421IzKGxf

Thanks, Michael


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[meteorite-list] More on NWA 753 and NWA 978

2003-01-13 Thread Bernd Pauli HD
Bernd Pauli HD schrieb:

> NWA 753 is a R3.9 rumurutiite chondrite,
> NWA 978 is classified as an R3.8 chondrite

Hello again,

I just looked at my two little NWA 753 chondrites
from Jim Strope and Michael Blood and compared
them to my NWA 978 endcut from the Hupés. My
personal observation is that the chondrules in 753
are a bit larger and slightly oval, whereas they are
smaller in my beautiful 978 endcut. Moreover, my
NWA 978 has a slightly cloudy texture (you might
also call it a dark-light structure which somehow
reminds me of the Milky Way at night with the
unaided eye :-)

Best regards,

Bernd

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[meteorite-list] NWA 753 and NWA 978

2003-01-13 Thread Bernd Pauli HD
John inquired:

> Can anyone tell me if any of the different numbered NWA
> R-chondrites are paired? Like NWA 753 and 978, both R3.8's


Hello John and List,

According to the Meteoritical Bulletin #85,
NWA 753 is a R3.9 rumurutiite chondrite,
and its fayalite is Fa38.6±3.2 (range Fa20-41)

and:

NWA 978 is classified as an R3.8 chondrite
in Met.Bull. #86 with a slightly higher Fa
value of: Fa41.9±0.2

In other words, they are probably unpaired.

Best regards,

Bernd

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[meteorite-list] Steve A. didn't send those last posts now....

2003-01-13 Thread Bjørn Sørheim
Hello List,
I think you last Steve Arnold bashers are wrong in that he has sent any mails
after his apology.
Just look at the date of his last emails you got (via the list), they are all
dated the 10th and the 11th!
The reason you got them now, is probably because there have been a problem
with the list. See the true sequence they arrived below, found also at
the archive-link.

On the other hand, I don't support some of his 'unhappy' postings to the
list either...

Regards,
Bjørn Sørheim


 http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2003-January/date.html
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 [meteorite-list] From the Admin - Recent downtime
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 [meteorite-list] marjalahti pallasite. yada yada yada   Rosemary
Hackney 
 [meteorite-list] lessons learned at G.B.   Tom aka james Knudson 
 [meteorite-list] marjalahti pallasite. yada yada yada   John Divelbiss 
 [meteorite-list] apology   STEVE ARNOLD 
 [meteorite-list] Looking for Baby Henburys   Rob Wesel 
 [meteorite-list] NWA R-chondrite pairings   John Divelbiss 
 [meteorite-list] lessons learned at G.B.   Matson, Robert 
 [meteorite-list] NWA R-chondrite pairings   rochette 
 Fw: [meteorite-list] apology   Adam Hupe 
 [meteorite-list] Gibeons priced per carat!   ROCKS ON FIRE 
 [meteorite-list] cross section of possible new lunar   M Yousef 
 [meteorite-list] apology   Bill Mason III 
 [meteorite-list] cross section of possible new lunar   M come Meteorite
Meteorites 
 [meteorite-list] cross section of possible new lunar   M come Meteorite
Meteorites 
 [meteorite-list] cross section of possible new lunar - Sorry   M come
Meteorite Meteorites 
 Fw: [meteorite-list] (no subject)   Mark Miconi 
 [meteorite-list] marjalahti pallasite trade   MARK BOSTICK 
 [meteorite-list] NWA R-chondrite pairings   MARK BOSTICK 
 [meteorite-list] apology   Charlie Devine 

Last message date: Mon Jan 13 18:28:56 2003
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Re: [meteorite-list] apology

2003-01-13 Thread Charlie Devine
Mr. Arnold wrote:

   >But I am sorry for the few who do not
   >like me because of my Spamming.

Not much resolve on your part, Mr. Arnold since you sent at least 4
solicitations following this apology.  Unfortunately, you also seem to
have missed some of the points raised by Rosie, Elton, and John.
Namely, your tendency to crow loudly about your acquisitions.  400+ list
members including some of the most discriminating collectors in the
world.  When you brag about your purchases to this list, it's a bit like
bragging to baseball hall of fame pitcher Nolan Ryan that you once
pitched a no-hitter in a junior varsity game.  I don't think you'd
impress him much and I don't think anyone on this list is impressed
either.  Develop some focus in your collecting, as others have
suggested, and resist the meteorite de jour approach.  And instead of
using this list as your personal solicitation/bragging board, do some
searching on our own for the things you're looking for.
Sincerely,
Charles Devine


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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA R-chondrite pairings

2003-01-13 Thread MARK BOSTICK
Hello John and List,


John wrote: Can anyone tell me if any of the different numbered NWA
R-chondrites are paired? Like NWA 753 and 978, both R3.8's...and also NWA
782 and 800...both R4.0.  Along with Ouzina...also a R4.0.

I will try to answer your question.  NWA meteorites are always a little
controversal so hopefully the list will go nice on me.

I believe NWA753 is paired with the "non-magnetic" NWA you purchased from
Dean.  The total weight reported on NWA753 is 12 kilos but I would guess it
to be in the fashion of 30 kilos.  There is more of it in Morocco right now
and the sellers know what it is.  Much have the meteorite has also entered
the market since its original purchase.  Pairing is often done without
report to the Meteorite Society, such is the way with NWA's.

NWA753 and NWA978 may possibly be paired.  On the R4's, I do not know. It
would be nice to have CRE age comparisons done on these stones.  They do as
you noted look very simular but you would exspect such from an R3.8, R3.9
and an R4.

R chondrites are rare, unbrecciated R chondrites are ever more rare.  The
reason why we have so many from Morocco leaves the chance they might be the
same stone.  However, at the prices the R chondrites are currantly being
sold you really can't go wrong.

I am sending this to Dean also, since he is no longer a list member.  If he
would like to comment on the subject I will post his comment later this
evening.

Mark Bostick

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Re: [meteorite-list] marjalahti pallasite trade

2003-01-13 Thread MARK BOSTICK
Steve wrote (again): hi there list I have a 3.6 gram slice of Marjalahti
pallasite for trade. I am as usual looking for rare piece's. Let me know.
You can go to my rare page and see a photo of it.


Steve, you really amaze me.  Not less than one day after apologizing to the
list about your e-mails, you SPAM everyone twice about the same thing.
Please do what others have suggested and use one of the other meteorite
e-mail list that are geared towards this type of e-mail.  Have you ever had
a phone seller call you twice a day, every day?  Did the 20th call make a
sell to you?

Please note the following list rule: Be courteous and professional at all
times.

Your e-mails could be seen as a violation of this rule and possibly get your
removed from the list if you continue this tactic.

A response to the list with another apology from you would be meaningless.
As suggested by many let your actions speak for themselves.

Mark Bostick

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Fw: [meteorite-list] (no subject)

2003-01-13 Thread Mark Miconi



Did everyone else get 3 messages from Mr. Arnold in 
one day today? How much longer do we have to put up with his 3-4 email a day 
habit?
 
It is becoming painfully obvious to everyone BUT 
Steve that either no one cares to trade with him or that simply everyone is 
filtering his emails and never reads his constant begging for his coveted 
trade.
 
I apologize but my delete folder is filling up 
rapidly with his emails and I remember reading one last night from him 
apologizing and promising to stop the volume of his emails.
 
If his trades are as good as his promises I would 
not consider trading anything with him.
 
Mark M.
- Original Message - 
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ARNOLD 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 4:36 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject)
for trade, marjalahti 3.6 gram slice, dhofar 303 and dag 476 
micro for trade. $300 value. let me know.
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Re: [meteorite-list] cross section of possible new lunar - Sorry

2003-01-13 Thread M come Meteorite Meteorites
Is start a double click
Regards

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Re: [meteorite-list] cross section of possible new lunar

2003-01-13 Thread M come Meteorite Meteorites
If you go to the Piave River here in Italy you find
tons of this lunar meteorite.

Matteo

--- M Yousef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Please see these new pictures that are very much
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> 
> http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/ln/
> 
> I would highly appreciate any comments.
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Re: [meteorite-list] cross section of possible new lunar

2003-01-13 Thread M come Meteorite Meteorites
If you go to the piave Rivere here in Italy you find
tons of this lunar meteorite.

Matteo

--- M Yousef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear All,,,
> 
> Please see these new pictures that are very much
> similar to a newly found 
> lunar anorthositic breccia: Dho 490.
> 
> http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/ln/
> 
> I would highly appreciate any comments.
> 
> 
> Sincerely
> 
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[meteorite-list] cross section of possible new lunar

2003-01-13 Thread M Yousef
Dear All,,,

Please see these new pictures that are very much similar to a newly found 
lunar anorthositic breccia: Dho 490.

http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/ln/

I would highly appreciate any comments.


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Re: [meteorite-list] apology

2003-01-13 Thread Bill Mason III



Steve,
    You've said it allIt is 
often times better to keep your mouth shut and appear dumb, than open it and 
remove all doubt !  Don't change for any of us, but for your self. Don't 
apoligize for continued bad manners that you do not intend to change.We can 
handel you with the "delete button".
    Simple!
    Bill 
Mason

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  STEVE 
  ARNOLD 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 6:13 
  PM
  Subject: [meteorite-list] apology
  
  Hi list. It seems some people on this list are on me again for to 
  much"SPAMMING".I seem to owe everyone an apology. Iam going to tucson as a 
  novice as far as the social and know;edge part of this great hobby. I want 
  people to like me and accept me for who I am. I will really try to tone it 
  down in the future. Icannot help my aggresive nature. That is who I am as a 
  person. And I am not going to change for anyone. But I am sorry for the few 
  who do not like me because of my SPAMMING. I will try and tone it down in the 
  future. I just love this hobby so much. Again I apoligize for my over 
  agressiveness.
   
  steve arnold, chicago
  Steve r. Arnold, Chicago, il, 60107
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Fw: [meteorite-list] apology

2003-01-13 Thread Adam Hupe



 
- Original Message - 
From: Adam Hupe 
To: STEVE ARNOLD 
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:12 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] apology

Hi Steve, Hello List Members,
 
Steve your enthusiasm for meteorites is great but 
you have lost me as a reader of your posts.  You have made over 100 
posts in the last month and a half, my delete key finger is becoming 
tired.  You contribute nothing as far as anything 
interesting goes.  We have learned nothing from your 
postings.  We thought this membership was for sharing ideas and 
information concerning meteorites not sales or trade postings made by the 
same individual daily.  You have clearly made yourself a target of attack 
by other list members.  We have spoken personally on the land line to 
several people and all portray similar opinions.
 
This is not an attack but rather a wake up 
call.  Your interest in meteorites should extend to more than what is 
popular at any given time.  A true meteorite collector is interested 
in more than what the latest offering is.  If you think buying a 
meteorite one week and selling it the next week is what it is all about let us 
know so we can tell what your true motivation is.
 
We look forward to meeting you 
in Tucson.  We hope you do not portray the same attitude as you do on 
the list at the now famous margarita party in Tucson.  This would be like 
mixing gunpowder and alcohol, not a good situation.  
 
We think your motivation is good but we are tired 
of hearing meaningless apologies, actions are louder then words.  Let us 
see you can overcome your trade/sell addiction on the List by not making a 
single trade/sell post this month, there are other forums for this 
activity, try ebay or the exchange. 
 
Why don't you do some research on your already 
world class collection and share your new findings with us.  This would be 
way more interesting than your fanatic trade/sell postings that make no sense to 
anybody we have talked to. 
 
We truly wish you the very best,
 
Adam and Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
IMCA 2185
 
 
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  From: 
  STEVE 
  ARNOLD 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 6:13 
  PM
  Subject: [meteorite-list] apology
  
  Hi list. It seems some people on this list are on me again for to 
  much"SPAMMING".I seem to owe everyone an apology. Iam going to tucson as a 
  novice as far as the social and know;edge part of this great hobby. I want 
  people to like me and accept me for who I am. I will really try to tone it 
  down in the future. Icannot help my aggresive nature. That is who I am as a 
  person. And I am not going to change for anyone. But I am sorry for the few 
  who do not like me because of my SPAMMING. I will try and tone it down in the 
  future. I just love this hobby so much. Again I apoligize for my over 
  agressiveness.
   
  steve arnold, chicago
  Steve r. Arnold, Chicago, il, 60107
  The midwest meteorite collector!
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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA R-chondrite pairings

2003-01-13 Thread rochette
Dear John

I posted a very similar message about 6 months ago, without great
success... So here is my personal feeling: it looks unlikely statistically
that two different R3.8 or R4 come out of NWA, but not impossible : there
are 2 nakhlites and 4 shergottites in NWA. It is true that 753 and 978 or
800 and Ouzina show different weathering and "colors", but this happens on
different pieces of the same fall.

What I would bet very highly unlikely is that more than 2 different R3.8 or
R4 exist!

No type of detailed study can solve the problem definitely, as even if
every chemical and petrographic features would be the same in 753 and 978
for example, it does not tell for sure that they are the same fall: they
may be different fall from the same "asteroidal outcrop"; there are many
examples of that in ordinary chondrites (undistinguishable different
falls). Once again we touch the major drawback of NWAs: no precise location
means unsolvable incertitude in pairing. We can just talk about probability
and with the squeletic R population, statistics are nearly meaningless.

(My unconvinced bet is that 753 and 978 are the same fall, but I would not
be surprised of the opposite)


Pierre



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[meteorite-list] lessons learned at G.B.

2003-01-13 Thread Matson, Robert
Hi Tom and List,

> Our G.B. hunt ended today. We all learned a little something
> about how to find the now rare meteorite. If you all want to
> find gold basin meteorites, do what I am going to do on my
> next G.B. hunt, search E-Bay!  It is a lot cheaper and you
> should have better luck finding one.: ) We all had a lot of
> fun, exercise but no meteorites, oh well maybe next time!

Sorry to hear your outting didn't turn up any Gold Basin
(or other) meteorites.  Please fill us in on the trip:  who
was able to make it?  I would like to have joined you, but
I was just out "in the field" the prior weekend, so this
weekend was out.  I've never been there, but I will certainly
make it out there sometime this year -- hopefully before the
heat returns.

Did anyone join your expedition that has found Gold Basin
meteorites in the past?  I understand it really helps to have
at least one "veteran" along to pass on pointers.  Was everyone
searching by metal detector, or were some using just their
eyes?

Cheers,
Rob

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[meteorite-list] an iron with a hole

2003-01-13 Thread STEVE ARNOLD
Hi list. I am looking for an iron meteorite with a hole in it. Does anyone have any?Steve r. Arnold, Chicago, il, 60107
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[meteorite-list] AD: A few more meteorites for sale

2003-01-13 Thread martinh
Howdy Folks,

I've posted a couple more specimens for sale at the following site:

http://www.planetwhy.com/

Just click on the link to the January offerings.

Cheers,

Martin







































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[meteorite-list] Tucson Information Page Update

2003-01-13 Thread Paul Harris
Dear List,

Do to many requests from list members, Jim and I will be hosting our
annual Tucson Information Page.  We intend to make it easier to use
for both the "experienced" as well as "new" visitors to the Tucson Show.
We will try to have the link up tomorrow at www.meteorite.com

For those who have not already submitted your information to us, please
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to this e-mail.

Thank you!

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[meteorite-list] Please read, discuss, and let us know.

2003-01-13 Thread Paul Harris
Dear List,

The closing down of the MeteoriteTimes web site was a preemptive decision
based upon recent events which demonstrated our high level of exposure to
lawsuits.  Let us be clear. The magazine was NOT sued. But The Meteorite 
Exchange, Inc.
has in the past had to defend itself on more than one occasion.  We've learned
through experience how to better protect ourselves from groundless and dropped
litigations that only waste money and time.

Jim and I are finally sitting side by side and think that we have found a
solution to the liability issues faced by the publication of MeteoriteTimes.

The possible solution to the vacuum we created by ending MeteoriteTimes,
would be the creation of a venue where any person wanting to write a 
meteorite /
tektite related article would be able to send us the link to their 
article  which
resides on their own web page.

We would provide the shell of structure and organization for this 
collection of
links only.  We would not have copyright, nor editorial responsibilities, 
nor liabilities
for the consequences of the contents contained in said linked to articles.

We could preserve as much of the look and feel of the original magazine as 
possible.
Links and indexes will function much as before with the linked to articles 
appearing
in the main frame as before.  We would also offer technical support and 
graphics
ideas and possibly blank page templates.

This venue could have the potential of becoming a greater resource of meteorite
related material than could ever have been possible before.

Best wishes,

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[meteorite-list] (no subject)

2003-01-13 Thread STEVE ARNOLD
for trade, marjalahti 3.6 gram slice, dhofar 303 and dag 476 micro for trade. $300 value. let me know.Steve r. Arnold, Chicago, il, 60107
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[meteorite-list] (no subject)

2003-01-13 Thread Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!
Hi again list. Please contact me at my catmountain email if intetested in
trading for the MARJALAHTI PIECE please.

=
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[meteorite-list] Looking for baby Henburys

2003-01-13 Thread Rob Wesel
> I am on the hunt for about 50 Henbury pieces in the 5-10 gram range, and I
> am looking to get them cheap. Anyone looking to clear a few out please let
> me know.
>
> --
> Rob Wesel
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[meteorite-list] RE: [meteoritecollectorsassociation] This One Looks Suspicious

2003-01-13 Thread Greg Redfern
Al,

 I tried posting on this last night but it wouldn't go...please read my
comments below.

Hi List,

   Got a few minutes? Check this auction and see what you think. It sure
looks like a possible meteor-wrong to me. If a fall in 1973 it sure is
weathered and looks more like a rock blasted out of the ground than fell
from the sky.


MONSTER METEORITE WI. HIST. SOCIETY EX.MUSEUM
Item # 2153640042


AAll the Best,
Greg Redfern
IMCA #5781
www.meteoritecollectors.org

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Subject: [meteoritecollectorsassociation] This One Looks Suspicious


Hi List,

Found this on ebay. No name given. Melted a Crater in the field, had to be
blasted
etc.

--AL

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=2153640042


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[meteorite-list] marjalahti pallasite trade

2003-01-13 Thread STEVE ARNOLD
hi there list I have a 3.6 gram slice of Marjalahti pallasite for trade. I am as usual looking for rare piece's. Let me know. You can go to my rare page and see a photo of it.
 steveSteve r. Arnold, Chicago, il, 60107
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[meteorite-list] Gibeons priced per carat!

2003-01-13 Thread ROCKS ON FIRE




Hi, Folks,

keep them Gibeons. They seem to get very rare! ;-) 
Just have a look:  http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=8821&item=754199213
-- 
 

   

Best_regards
 
Best regards from DOWN-UNDER,
   
   Norbert & Heike Kammel
       ROCKS ON FIRE
          IMCA #3420
   www.rocksonfire.com 
   

   
   
   
 
 




RE: [meteorite-list] Gujba follow-up

2003-01-13 Thread Frank Prochaska
Bernd and List,

I was very active as an amateur meteorite enthusiast for a number of years,
then sort of dropped out of the loop for several years in the 1990s.  As
I've been getting back into it the last several years, I've been trying to
catch up on the new developments and finds.  Subjects that I've so far found
little explanation or description of are the CH and Bencubbinite (CB?)
classes.  The popular literature has little detail as far as similarities
and distinctions from other classes, like CRs for example.  Can someone
point me in the direction of the appropriate journal articles or other
material to read on these?

Thank you!

Frank Prochaska



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Subject: [meteorite-list] Gujba follow-up


On Thursday, December 26, 2002 Rex wondered:

> I was just surfing through ebay and noticed a "Gujba"
> (bencubbinite). The Cambridge EOM says that this is a
> mesosiderite while this guy on ebay says it is a metal-rich
> carbonaceous chondrite? Can anyone enlighten me any
> further on this?

... and Mike Farmer responded:

> It is a Bencubbinite, VERY rare carbonaceous metal-rich
> chondrite. Unlike any other meteorite, small balls of metal


Hello Rex, Mike, and List,

While leafing through the invited review in MAPS 37-11, 2002,
I found the following piece of information which I would like to
share with you because it explains in simple words why Gujba
is a member of the carbonaceous meteorite clan:

"The CR clan chondrites are considered carbonaceous
because their whole-rock elemental abundances and
oxygen-isotopic compositions are similar to those
of the carbonaceous (CO, CK, CV, CM) chondrites."

Reference:

KROT A.N. et al. (2002) The CR chondrite clan:
Implications for early solar system processes
(MAPS 37-11, 2002, pp. 1451-1490).


Best regards,

Bernd

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