Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?
Adam and everyone, here is my take on this simply put. I am not trying to cause problems with this, just show that people in this community need to stick together to assist the meteoritical society process, study, and publish meteorites in a timely manner. We all get a kick out of all the kooks and wackos trying to scam dealers, collectors, and scientists. We all laugh at them, harass them on ebay etc. Now, Adam, you said when you went there that this was not a meteorite, there was not a sign of a meteorite, and yet you are now submitting samples of strange crap that you know is not a meteorite. The best thing in my opinion would be to walk away from Elma, realize that a scam happened, and forget about it. Instead you are submitting samples, that are not meteorites. This causes in a roundabout way, a serious waste of time for scientists. This can apply to any situation, not just this one. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status? Hi Tom and List members, I am only responding because a problem seems to be developing here. Mike Farmer claims scientists are wasting their time on this material and that this is a waste of bandwidth on the List. The scientists are the ones who dispatched us to bring this material to them. The University of Washington is studying this material own their own and we are simply assisting by bringing material in. If you look at the archives I did not initiate this Elma status chain, I simply responded to a question. You propagated this long string by asking several questions which were posted to the list. Since they were posted to the List I responded publicly. If this means I am wasting bandwidth you are just as guilty by posting questions to the list. If this is what the List members want. I will simply will not post future results obtained in the lab regarding this material, pretty simple, no need for you and Mike to get nasty. All the best, Adam - Original Message - From: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status? Hello List, Mike wrote; , I am simply offended by people wasting scientific time with nonsense, especially now when it can take years to get a simple classification. I have to agree with mike here. Adam and Greg said this was not a meteorite in the beginning, and I think they would know! But, I for one, have been chastised big time for posting OT things to the list. There was not a fall in Elma and the things the people from Elma are claiming to meteorites are not meteorites and in my opinion have no place on the list. I am interested in the end result, but until then, I think we should save Art some bandwidth on this subject. Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status? Ok Adam, tell us all, where did you get your science degree? Oh I forgot, you have none, so please stop playing scientist. I don't have a closed mind, I am simply offended by people wasting scientific time with nonsense, especially now when it can take years to get a simple classification. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 1:40 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status? Hey Mike and Dear List, Ex and current NASA scientist know the difference between tar and glass. Maybe you should have an open mind because you would be blown away by the lab results if you truly understood mineralogy. This is definitely not tar, only somebody with a closed mind and no understanding of chemistry would make such a statement, go back to school. Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Charles R. Viau [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Adam Hupe' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status? Well, It CANNOT be a tekite, tektites are made by large impacts melting the impacted rock. these were found in a telephone pole! My god, every telephone pole I have ever seen is covered in tar or whatever weird melted black stuff they use, sort of like tar on house roofs, which I believe that the Hupes also found in the debris from my printer-smashing Park Forest. H
[meteorite-list] New Blood: Not Just the Job of Dealers
Title: New Blood: Not Just the Job of Dealers Hi Steve, You are doing a terrific job! Perhaps if all dealers offered your club a $25 to $50 certificate to award as you see fit (have a drawing or an auction or other fund raiser, or to reward club members or WHATEVER) that would be a help. Please accept a $50 gift certificate from Michael Blood Meteorites to start it off. Thanks, again, Michael on 8/6/03 5:35 PM, STEPHEN WARZYNIAK at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: STEPHEN WARZYNIAK Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 7:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: New Blood: Not Just the Job of Dealers Hi list, I've been a list and an IMCA member for a few months now, quietly sitting here on the sidelines, and thoroughly enjoying ALL of the e-mail traffic that I've read so far. Although I do agree that it is the duty of the hobby/science to promote the study and enjoyment of meteorites to the general public, this is a job that should not be the sole province of dealers. Collectors must be willing to promote too. Since the study and collecting of meteorites is related to astronomy (another graying hobby), I have taken the lead within the astronomy club that I belong to promote and educate the public, especially the children, about astronomy and about meteorites. I am a member and past president of the Calumet Astronomical Society, the largest astronomy club in the northern half of Indiana. www.casonline.org http://www.casonline.org/ . Earlier this year, at one of the club's public outings at the Indiana Dunes State Park, I set up a stereo microscope so that the attendees could view a little chunk of NWA 869 under magnification. I also gave every kid who answered an astronomy/meteorite question correctly a small, individually bagged and identified chip of NWA 869 as a prize. Since high winds kept outside observing to a minimum, inside activities filled out the evening, and the meteorite table had a cluster of people around it all night long. Parents as well as kids were captivated by the little stone in the scope, and I was asked a lot of good questions. I also had a similar educational display setup last weekend at the first annual Indiana Family Star Party, held at Camp Collum, just north of Indianapolis near Frankort, IN. Al Mitterling was there, and as always had his great display and selection of material and did a good job of promoting and educating what ended up being an eager, albeit small, turnout. This promises to be a good event in the future, although persistent clouds and rain kept the public away on this the inaugural weekend of the event. As a meteorite collector, and a member of an astronomical organization that reaches thousands of people every year with our public outings and educational outreach efforts, I certainly believe that I am doing my small part in promoting both meteorites and astronomy. Now here's the chance for you dealers out there to help me in my efforts. After making a few purchases on Ebay, while corresponding with the sellers, I asked if any of them had some small (I mean SMALL, like 0.05-0.1g) chips of common meteorites that they were willing to donate so that I could give them away to kids at upcoming presentations and events. Lourdes and Mark Zalcik of Blue Gramma Gifts (also new IMCA members) were the gracious donors of the meteorite chips that were used in the giveaways mentioned above. So, if you just finished slicing up that huge unclassified NWA or have a pile of debris on your desk from that crumbling Nantan and basically have a bunch of little chips and chunks lying about, don't sweep them into the trash, send them to me!! Since the Calumet Astronomical Society is a 501c3 tax-exempt organization, your donations ARE tax deductible, and I can provide you with an electronic receipt for your donations if you so desire. Just let me know. Please mail your waste chunks and chips to: Steve Warzyniak 8517 Muirfield Ln. St. John, IN 46373 Thanks to all in advance for your help in getting kids (and their families) interested in astronomy and in the study and enjoyment of meteorites!! Regards, Steve Warzyniak IMCA #9804 warz5573 Calumet Astronomical Society Inc. SUPPORT OUR TROUPS: http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html -- Facts are stupid things. Ronald Reagan -- Worth Seeing: - Earth at night from satellite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm - Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Panoramic view of Meteor Crater: http://www.virtualguidebooks.com/Arizona/GrandCanyonRoute66/MeteorCrater/MeteorCraterRimL.html -- Cool Calendar Clock: http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites Didgeridoos for sale at: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/
RE: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?
If this is what the List members want. I will simply will not post future results obtained in the lab regarding this material, pretty simple, no need for you and Mike to get nasty This is NOT what this list member wants. This is supposed to be a free-format forum where people who share the same passion get to share their experiences with peers. I have a major objection to being denied information that I am interested in, just because some people feel it is ok to show such disrespect to someone just because the subject does not gel with their personal view of what is important. Think about that - They only future information you will get is exactly what you want to hear. Isn't that F($%!$ scientific! Charlyv -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Hupe Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 10:19 PM To: Tom aka James Knudson Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status? Hi Tom and List members, I am only responding because a problem seems to be developing here. Mike Farmer claims scientists are wasting their time on this material and that this is a waste of bandwidth on the List. The scientists are the ones who dispatched us to bring this material to them. The University of Washington is studying this material own their own and we are simply assisting by bringing material in. If you look at the archives I did not initiate this Elma status chain, I simply responded to a question. You propagated this long string by asking several questions which were posted to the list. Since they were posted to the List I responded publicly. If this means I am wasting bandwidth you are just as guilty by posting questions to the list. If this is what the List members want. I will simply will not post future results obtained in the lab regarding this material, pretty simple, no need for you and Mike to get nasty. All the best, Adam - Original Message - From: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status? Hello List, Mike wrote; , I am simply offended by people wasting scientific time with nonsense, especially now when it can take years to get a simple classification. I have to agree with mike here. Adam and Greg said this was not a meteorite in the beginning, and I think they would know! But, I for one, have been chastised big time for posting OT things to the list. There was not a fall in Elma and the things the people from Elma are claiming to meteorites are not meteorites and in my opinion have no place on the list. I am interested in the end result, but until then, I think we should save Art some bandwidth on this subject. Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status? Ok Adam, tell us all, where did you get your science degree? Oh I forgot, you have none, so please stop playing scientist. I don't have a closed mind, I am simply offended by people wasting scientific time with nonsense, especially now when it can take years to get a simple classification. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 1:40 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status? Hey Mike and Dear List, Ex and current NASA scientist know the difference between tar and glass. Maybe you should have an open mind because you would be blown away by the lab results if you truly understood mineralogy. This is definitely not tar, only somebody with a closed mind and no understanding of chemistry would make such a statement, go back to school. Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Charles R. Viau [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Adam Hupe' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status? Well, It CANNOT be a tekite, tektites are made by large impacts melting the impacted rock. these were found in a telephone pole! My god, every telephone pole I have ever seen is covered in tar or whatever weird melted black stuff they use, sort of like tar on house roofs, which I believe that the Hupes also found in the debris from my printer-smashing Park Forest. H tiny little melted tektites found on the floor under the smashed shingles and tarred roof, more little melted glass like tektites found in and round a telephone pole at the site of a stupid hoax that got way more attention than it should have. I see a
Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?
i'm very new to collecting meteorites and to this list... so, i find it pretty discouraging to have to be subjected to these kinds of ugly exchanges... it's very ironic since other posts have talked about helping others to gain an interest in this field of collecting when these kind of personal assaults would do anything but endear someone... now when a post comes and i see one particular person's email address, i cringe and i'm afraid to open them because they are so often caustic and judgemental and anything but in the spirit of friendship and kindness and mutual interest... no matter what a person's personal opinions are, showing some basic respect should be due. could you please show more consideration to everyone? thank you. jc __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tonight is the night, Massive sale, ALL one cent start AD
Hi again, this is my summer blowout ebay sale, I have loaded over $5000.00 worth of meteorites on ebay and ALL of them started at one cent and ending tonight! We are talking Eucrites, Millbillillie individuals, Agoult (almost 50 grams) CR2, 100+ gram piece of NWA 801, LARGE slice of Muonionalusta, Gibeons, so many items. This is your chance to almost steal meteorites from me! Check out both user id's! ALLEND TONIGHT Click here to see the meteoritehunters id and then click "view sellers other auctions) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2186081309category=3239rd=1 http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Click above to see the [EMAIL PROTECTED] user id. Thanks Mike Farmer Also, I will offer great deals on any item on my website, email me with requests and Ill quote you privately my best price possible! http://www.meteoritehunter.com
[meteorite-list] Re: Meteorite Collecting Ban
Well Al, If what you say is true, then I may want to know the name of this snitch, too. No doubt, this tipster informed on me, as well, when I wrote this post back in 2001: - Archived Message [meteorite-list] NOT [OT] Robert Verish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri, 12 Oct 2001 17:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Hello List, The recent thread about pending legislation to further restrict fossil collecting may not be as much Off-Topic as we would like it to be. But the less put in print about this subject, the better. But what has been put in print (and is much more On-Topic), is an abstract for a poster that was presented at the recent meeting in Rome - the 64th Annual Meteoritical Society Meeting (2001). The author is not a meteoriticist, but a lawyer! Is anybody surprised that this law firm is from Canada? This abstract is now published in: MAPS, Vol. 36, No. 9, Supplement, 2001 - A183 It still appears on-line at: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2001/pdf/5150.pdf LAW OF OWNERSHIP AND CONTROL OF METEORITES. D. G. Schmitt, McEwen, Schmitt Co. Barristers and Solicitors, 1615 1055 W. Georgia St., Vancouver, B.C., Canada, V6E3R5 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Introduction: Increased public awareness and commerce in meteorites raises questions about their ownership and control. This paper reviews the law in several countries, international law, and considers laws to bring finds to the research community quickly and not divert them to a black market. A survey was made of scientists involved in meteorite acquisition in over 20 countries, to determine how well various systems work. Ownership is determined by the law of the place of the find. Legal regimes range from a free market, to deemed state ownership with no compensation to finders. A free market gives an incentive to searchers but allows ownership by private collectors who do not curate specimens scientifically. Confiscatory laws tempt searchers to conceal or sell finds illegally, or misrepresent strewn field data. Scientists expressed diverging views on an ideal system. Historical Background: Meteorite ownership law is non-uniform. English common law, from which the law in former British colonies including the United States evolved, provides that meteorites are the landowners property; buried meteorites might be part of the mineral rights. Find reporting is not mandatory. Most Western European countries, and former colonies, have civil codes providing that meteorites are owned by the landowner. Traditional legal systems with unique rules exist, such as the Islamic Sharia. In many countries legislation aimed at preserving archeological treasures modifies earlier meteorite law. Federal nations may have different laws in each state. Lawyers qualified in the find jurisdiction should be consulted for ownership opinions. Selected Examples: Argentina. The Chaco Province constitution declares meteorites provincial property, imposing a duty to protect them. Australia. Some state legislation vests ownership in state museums, prohibits find movement except delivery to museums, and allows refunds of finders expenses. Canada. Meteorites are the property of the landowner and can be sold. Under the Cultural Property Export and Import Act a Canadian find cannot be exported without a permit from a federal Board which may impose a six-month delay of permanent export during which a Canadian institution may purchase it for a fair price, failing which export is allowed. Temporary export permits are granted forthwith. Denmark. Finds are state property, and must be surrendered to a museum, which pays market value. India. Meteorites are deemed owned by the Geological Survey of India, without compensation. Japan. The finder is the owner under the civil code. Switzerland. Finds are owned by the state but the finder is paid compensation not higher than the objects value. United States of America. A find is owned by the land-owner. A find on federal government property is owned by the Department of the Interior but may be acquired by the Smithsonian Institution. UNESCO Convention on the Means of Prohibiting and Preventing the Illicit Import, Export and Transfer of Ownership of Cultural Property: This Convention, ratified by over 90 states, provides for tracking and retrieving from reciprocating states, cultural property including meteorites. Ratifying states may create a permitting agency like Canadas. Antarctic Meteorites: The Antarctic Treaty indefinitely defers national territorial claims and encourages cooperative scientific exploration. Article III (B) states, scientific observations and results from Antarctica shall be exchanged and made freely available. The Treaty does not deal with samples exported. Meteorites are recovered only by gov-ernment- sponsored expeditions, and curated by NASA in the United States, the National Institute of Polar Research in Japan, and by EUROMET. Applications for U.S. curated samples are
Re: [meteorite-list] Ignorance is bliss - but only for the ignorant!
--- Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/6/03 2:15 PM, Matson, Robert at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The operative point here is that (by definition) the average IQ is 100, and education can only do so much. --- Hi Robert, A few years ago when I was remarking upon how stunned I was by how dumb so many people are someone stated, You just don't appreciate how dumb an IQ of 100 really is. Well, I have been teaching at a Community College for about 12 years now and I am starting to become a believer. Best wishes, Michael PS: Not only is 100, by definition, the average' - you must also remember that nearly HALF the people have an IQ LOWER THAN 100! (This is also by definition, since the original sample was so huge, the mean, median and mode were all the same, forming a true and absolute bell curve - it is only nearly half because some are exactly 100) I have found that even with brain damage, the average still astounds me. One of the best meteorwrongs that I got was a piece of pumice! It was the classical type, numerous vesicles, nice gray color, and making matters best of all, the finder claimed to have actually seen it fall feet away from him! The rock even floated on water! I responded, if you saw it fall, which volcano were you standing as it erupted, and this rock fell next to you? I never got an answer. IQ aside, I think that people just do not know much about meteorites. Nininger had the same problem that we have, and he did not have the internet to help him. There is also so much popular folklore regarding meteorites and how they fall. Glowing, red hot balls of molten rock or metal; dangerously radioactive rocks; fireballs falling all the way to the ground hear by;-- stereotypic stories that do not tell the real story. And that is where we come in. We have got to get it out so that what has been done in North West Africa with the nomads, can be done here in the U.S. and in other places. They learned to identify meteorites, and most with not much education at all... and I will bet that most of those nomads have average IQ's or less. So, the job is for us to convey what we know to those that do not know... Rather than ridiculing them for what we think is ignorance, or worse yet stupidity. They really don't know, and that is for the most part our problem rather than theirs. Steve Schoner/ams http://www.geocities.com/meteorite_identification P.S. to all, I am dying to do some meteorite hunting, but being that I can no longer drive due to brain injury, I am now stuck at home. Anyone wanting to go out here in Northern Arizona, and pass through Flagstaff; to Holbrook or any other place, let me know. If I am pre-disposed to do so, I would like to go out and look at some new areas that I know have meteorites. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NEW BLOOD
Greetings. This is my first post, and I wanted to chime in and say that I am not sure there is anything more important than what you all are doing right now with children! For the last 7 years, I have been going to schools that my children attend (and others) to teach different classes about meteorites and fossils. For the last 5 years, I have left substantial portions of my meteorite and fossil collections at many schools for the teachers to use. I also volunteer at other schools and camps in the area doing meteorite and fossil shows. My last show for 15 ten year olds at a conservation camp two weeks ago was outstanding. I brought in many pieces of my collection, including a 26 kilo Sikhote Alin, a 35 kilo NWA, a 1.92 gram piece NWA 1195 Martian, Allende, Park Forest (I live in Illinois) and many others. You should have seen their faces when I let them each hold a real piece of Mars! I think the counselors were even more amazed. They were adults acting like kids! I talked about the process of Lunar and Martian meteorites making it to earth, the Amino acids in Murchison, Star Dust in Allende, a large meteorite possibly ending the reign of the dinosaur, etc! All of the kids are sitting in amazement (as were the adults!). I also showed the kids what a meteorite stick was and bit about how to hunt for meteorites. The next day, the camp went hiking and all day the kids were looking for meteorites with magnets and a few meteorite sticks that I let them borrow. 5 parents separately commented that it was all their kid talked about all night, that they were going out to buy magnets, and two told me I had created a meteorite monster! At the end of the show, I gave each child and each counselor a small (10-15 gram) Sikhote Alin with a label from MeteoriteLabels.com. The investment to me was more than worth it! They were all thrilled and amazed. They each went home with an amazing rock from space; something they will remember (hopefully!) for a very long time. I think some of the adults at my shows view my interest in meteorites as a bit eccentric. I get very animated and passionate when I talk. But I have never seen a kid react with anything but sheer joy, genuine amazement, and complete intrigue at the possibilities surrounding meteorites. I have seen the spark many times in children, and if I have been able to further their imagination through my shows, that is a great gift to me. P.S., If some of you have some spare time (which I do as I have been fortunate to retire very early), it is not only children that love this. Take and hour of your day and do a show at a retirement home with the elderly. Watch them turn into little kids :-) All the best to the list. I find your collective information of great help to me, as it educates me and helps me get the proper information to the people who are just learning of this great hobby! Terry Boudreaux StarMeteorites (no web site yet, but coming soon :-)) µê+×¥Ëfj)b b²Ó µê+×¥Ëfzר®+^qéí©\¢hm¶ÿà )j*åËgzßæj)fjåËbú?ë^¢¸zX¬
[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Mission Status - August 6, 2003
MEDIA RELATIONS OFFICE JET PROPULSION LABORATORY CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION PASADENA, CALIF. 91109. TELEPHONE (818) 354-5011 http://www.jpl.nasa.gov Guy Webster (818) 354-6278 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. Donald Savage (202) 358-1547 NASA Headquarters, Washington, D.C. News Release: 2003-109 August 6, 2003 Mars Exploration Rover Mission Status The first in-flight checkouts of the science instruments and engineering cameras on NASA's twin Spirit and Opportunity spacecraft on their way to Mars have provided an assessment of the instruments' condition after the stressful vibrations of launch. The instrument tests run by the Mars Exploration Rover flight team at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., finished with performance data received Tuesday from two of the spectrometers on Opportunity. Each rover's suite of science instruments includes a stereo panoramic camera pair, a microscope camera and three spectrometers. The tests also evaluated performance of each spacecraft's engineering cameras, which are a stereo navigation camera pair, stereo hazard-avoidance camera pairs on the front and back of the rover, and a downward-pointing descent camera on the lander to aid a system for reducing horizontal motion just before impact. All 10 cameras on each spacecraft - three science cameras and seven engineering cameras on each - performed well. One of the three spectrometers on Spirit returned data that did not fit the expected pattern. The other two spectrometers on Spirit and all three on Opportunity worked properly. Teams have been busy since the tests began nearly three weeks ago analyzing about 200 megabits of instrument data generated from each spacecraft. All the engineering cameras are healthy, said JPL imaging scientist Dr. Justin Maki. We took two pictures with each engineering camera -- 14 pictures from each spacecraft. Even when the cameras are in the dark, the images give characteristic signatures that let us know whether the electronics are working correctly. The science cameras on each rover - the Pancam color panoramic cameras and the Microscopic Imagers - all performed flawlessly. A spectrometer on each rover for identifying minerals from a distance, called the miniature thermal emission spectrometer, or mini-TES, also worked perfectly on each rover. Two other spectrometers - an alpha particle X-ray spectrometer and a Mössbauer spectrometer - are mounted on an extendable arm for close-up examination of the composition of rocks and soil. Both instruments on Opportunity, as well as Spirit's alpha particle X-ray spectrometer worked properly. The Mössbauer spectrometer on Spirit is the one whose test data did not fit the pattern expected from normal operation. The Mössbauer results we just received from Opportunity are helping us interpret the data that we've been analyzing from Spirit, said Dr. Steve Squyres of Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y., principal investigator for the suite of science tools on each rover. Some of the theories we had developed for what might be causing the anomalous behavior of the Mössbauer instrument on Spirit have been eliminated by looking at the data from the one on Opportunity. The remaining theories focus on an apparent problem in movement of a mechanism within the instrument that rapidly vibrates a gamma-ray source back and forth. The Mössbauer spectrometer on Spirit is working, and even if we don't come up with a way to improve its performance, we'll be able to get scientific information out of the data it sends us from Mars, Squyres said. But it's a very flexible instrument, with lots of parameters we can change. We have high hopes that over the coming months we'll be able to understand exactly what's happened to it and make adjustments that will improve its performance. And if the Mössbauer spectrometer on Opportunity behaves on Mars the way it did today, we'll get beautiful data from that instrument. The two types of spectrometers on the rovers' extendable arms complement each other. The alpha particle X-ray spectrometers provide information about what elements are in a rock. The Mössbauer spectrometers give information about the arrangement of iron atoms in the crystalline mineral structure within a rock. As of 6 a.m. Pacific Daylight Time August 7, Spirit will have traveled 157.1 million kilometers (97.6 million miles) since its June 10 launch, and Opportunity will have traveled 82.7 million kilometers (51.4 million miles) since its July 7 launch. After arrival, the rovers will examine their landing areas for geological evidence about the history of water on Mars. JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology, manages the Mars Exploration Rover project for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. Additional information about the project is available from JPL at http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mer and from Cornell
Re: [meteorite-list] NEW BLOOD
Hi Marcia and all, Marcia Swanson wrote: Meteorite study, education, and hunting can do that. It's a constructive, fun, exciting thing to do for them, and for the person taking them. It is the one true way to be a space adventurer and explorer right here on Earth!!! At the recent Star Party that I attended I had a pretty young admire of my space rocks. He spent a great deal of time hunting the immediate area for a meteorites outside my set up, bringing me his finds. Each time I would instruct him why the item he had found wasn't a meteorite. As he hunted more he began finding items that had to be scrutinized more carefully. At the end of the day I offered him a small token by giving him a meteorite with an information card to try to inspire him after I left. I felt that he very much earn his little meteorite for the effort he had put in. Perhaps the seeds on curiosity will continue on. The efforts made by list members to educate and inspire new generations of meteorite collectors, hunters and future educators is very refreshing compared to the petty arguments that often come up on our list. A good threadthank-you Michael! --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Collecting Ban
Without taking sides in this debate, I can help get the statistics straight. 73% of classified and published meteorites are Antarctic (source Metbase v6.0, total 20,366 of 27,732 meteorites ). Of the remaining meteorites, ~56% (~4100) of them are in numbered series directly attributable to commercial collection. Perhaps 100-200 others without numbered names were recently collected in this fashion. I was not able to get a handle on the number of meteorites attributable to Nininger's efforts, but it is probably several hundred. Allowing 400 for the latter two cases, we find that ~17% of all published meteorites have been systematically collected for profit. Of course, you have to augment these numbers for unclassified/undescribed meteorites. I don't know how many Saharan meteorites go undescribed, but there are more than 1000 with provisional names. Assuming these are all meteorites, and using 1200 as the number we can bump the totals up to: 70% of all known meteorites are Antarctic 20% of all known meteorites have been collected commercially. The remaining 10% include all the falls and sporadic finds throughout history. jeff At 03:52 AM 8/8/2003, mark ford wrote: Re: collecting Ban. These scientists/time wasters that support a collecting ban would do well to sit down and think about their actions... Firstly 90% of all meteorites are found by 'collectors/hunters' (or dealers to collectors). Do these scientists really want to loose these thousands and thousands of meteorites every year? Who would find them if they banned collecting? - they would just lie in the ground rusting away, or get built on by an ever expanding world. So that would leave the odd 4 man scientific party every year to the Antarctic? Yeah right get real, do they really believe that if the supply of meteorites 'dried up' the government would keep funding labs and research programs? No they would cut back funds! In any case as far as I know every meteorite that has been classified has had a sample donated to science. FACT : Science gets more meteorites due to collecting than it ever would without it! So my message to those that want it banned - do something useful with your time! What they should be doing is encouraging people to get stuff classified and invest in more labs so that the classification is easier and happens quicker! However - It is a shame that many many meteorites never get classified, one has to wonder what undiscovered revelations are sitting in our collections having never been seen by anyone 'in Authority', but hey that's life! Just My 2 quids worth! Mark Ford __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman Chair, Meteorite Nomenclature Committee (Meteoritical Society) US Geological Survey 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA Phone: (703) 648-6184 fax: (703) 648-6383 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hundreds Report Burning Meteor Over Australia
Here we go again. Why do scientists say that? If the fireball was large enough to excite thousands of people, it is most likely that something DID hit the ground. There are many instances of meteorites falling without the fanfare of explosions and bright fireballs, take the Canadian fall (Killborne) I think it is, a small 500 gram stone fell and plopped down without a sound in bright daylight in front of a golfer! And the Indiana stone that fell in the yard where the boys were playing. Meteorites do not have to be giant to make it to the ground. I would like to know how this guy came to such an accurate size estimate of the meteorite, guessing that it was cricket ball size. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 8:35 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Hundreds Report Burning Meteor Over Australia http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s919114.htm Hundreds report burning meteor Australian Broadcasting Corporation August 7, 2003 Astronomers say it is unlikely the remnants of a blazing meteor seen by hundreds of people last night have landed on earth. The Perth Observatory was flooded with hundreds of phone calls from residents in the Goldfields, wheatbelt, and Great Southern when the meteor appeared about 6:20pm AWST yesterday. Astronomer Peter Birch says they reported a bright light with a long tail lasting between five and 10 seconds. He says the meteor would have completely vapourised 100 kilometres from the ground as it entered the earth's atmosphere. It would have only been the size something like...a football at maximum, maybe only the size of a cricket ball, he said. But it's come in at such speed that it's actually burnt up in the atmosphere, it's got very hot, and it's vapourised, and when these things happen, they get very bright and people can see them from a long way. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I found a meteorite and...
--- John Gwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello List, I just returned from a meeting with a young lady who claimed she had found a meteorite and wanted to know how to go about selling it. Any of you that have had contacts similar to this know that the prudent thing to do is ask a bunch of questions before committing to any investment in travel time. She answered all of my questions and since she was local, I decided to go ahead and meet with her. John, and all, It is simply amazing, no matter how clear one can be at a meteorite identification site, how many people think that after reading the information that their sample meets all of the criteria. I have had thousands, upon thousands of submissions since first putting up a site for meteorite identification, and only a very few out of that have turned out to be meteorites. Lamont was one of my first, and this was purchased by UCLA and two very well known meteorite dealers. Then there was Fredericksburg, TX. I dealt long and hard with the owner, trying to make a deal with her and UCLA, but UCLA after contacting her, stalled, and the finder went to another dealer and that dealer bought it. (No hard feelings Mike. I take it the deal as just the way the meteorite crumbles, and who has the cash to make the deal.) Then there was some samples from Henbury, and some from a new very weathered Australian find. Then there is a piece of Allende, found by a person that saw it fall. But even with a very clearly written site, it is still amazing to me how people interpret their rocks, and all of the people that send samples to me seem to think that their finds are meteorites. I am currently stuck here at home recovering from my illness, and think that I will shoot some new pictures to better show what meteorites are and what they are not. I will use a few of the thousands of samples of meteorwrongs that I have received, but I usually discard these after six months. However I have quite a few right now. Steve Schoner/ams http://www.geocities.com/meteorite_identificaton Arriving at our agreed meeting place, I was greeted by an attractive young woman who thanked me for taking the time to meet with her. She reached into her purse and pulled our her meteorite. John Gwilliam - 0 Prospective Meteorite Finders - 52 My heart did it's usual sinking technique that it's so familiar with by now. This was the 52nd person I've met with only to find that their meteorite was furnace slag, basalt or an old iron milling ball. But, having read Michael Blood's New Blood idea earlier in the morning, I decided to spend some time with this young gal and plant a few meteorite seeds with hope that they might grow into something. I showed here some real meteorites, gave her the URLs of some good websites to visit, and convinced her she ought to visit the Tucson Show next February. After talking for a few minutes more, I saw that the initial disappointment in her eyes was replaced with new found curiosity and excitement. I'm quite sure she will show up at the Inn Suites come next February. best, John Gwilliam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ASTEROIDS DEDICATED TO SPACE SHUTTLE COLUMBIA CREW
Donald Savage Headquarters, Washington August 6, 2003 (Phone: 202/358-1547) DC Agle Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. (Phone: 818/393-9011) RELEASE: 03-259 ASTEROIDS DEDICATED TO SPACE SHUTTLE COLUMBIA CREW The final crew of the Space Shuttle Columbia was memorialized in the cosmos as seven asteroids orbiting the sun between Mars and Jupiter were named in their honor today. The Space Shuttle Columbia crew, Commander Rick Husband; pilot William McCool; Mission Specialists Michael Anderson, Kalpana Chawla, David Brown, Laurel Clark; and Israeli payload specialist Ilan Ramon, will have celestial memorials, easily found from Earth. The names, proposed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), Pasadena, Calif., were recently approved by the International Astronomical Union. The official clearinghouse of asteroid data, the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory's Minor Planet Center, released the dedication today. The seven asteroids were discovered at the Palomar Observatory near San Diego on the nights of July 19-21, 2001, by former JPL astronomer Eleanor F. Helin. She retired in July 2002. The seven asteroids range in diameter from five to seven kilometers (3.1 to 4.3 miles). The Palomar Observatory is owned and operated by the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena. Asteroids have been around for billions of years and will remain for billions more, said Dr. Raymond Bambery, Principal Investigator of JPL's Near-Earth Asteroid Tracking Project. I like to think that in the years, decades and millennia ahead people will look to the heavens, locate these seven celestial sentinels and remember the sacrifice made by the Columbia astronauts, he said. The 28th and final flight of Columbia (STS-107) was a 16-day mission dedicated to research in physical, life and space sciences. The seven astronauts aboard Columbia worked 24 hours a day, in two alternating shifts, successfully conducting approximately 80 separate experiments. On February 1, 2003, the Columbia and its crew were lost over the western United States during the spacecraft's re-entry into Earth's atmosphere. Asteroids are rocky fragments left over from the formation of the solar system about 4.6 billion years ago. Most of the known asteroids orbit the sun in a belt between Mars and Jupiter. Scientists think there are probably millions of asteroids, ranging in size from less than one kilometer (.62 mile) wide to hundreds of kilometers across. More than 100,000 asteroids have been detected since the first was discovered back on January 1, 1801. Ceres, the first asteroid discovered, is also the largest at about 933 kilometers (580 miles) in diameter. The Near-Earth Asteroid Tracking System is managed by JPL for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington. JPL is a division of the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena. For information about NASA on the Internet, visit: http://www.nasa.gov Information about JPL's Near-Earth Asteroid Tracking Program is available at: http://neat.jpl.nasa.gov __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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[meteorite-list] Lost Dog.
I'm going to pull a Dubya. That story about the dog is an historical authentic rumour. Nakhla has been blamed for a death of a dog even if that dog neverbeen produced.It still mayturn upsomeday once a thorough search has been conducted by the experts in lost pets. Howard Wu"Charles R. Viau" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Ken,Thanks for the links, great info! Wonder what is worth more,the piece of Mars or the bones of the dog... Hope the bones never hitEbay...Charlyv-Original Message-From: magellon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:35 PMTo: Charles R. ViauSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Great Ball Of Fire Lights Up New ZealandSkyCharles,Walter Branch has kept a detailed record of persons and things thatmeteorites have reportedly struck:http://www.branchmeteorites.com/metstruck.htmlI also have list of newspaper accounts of meteorites killing persons:http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/news1.htmlTo complicate matters, a hoaxer working for UP initiated most of the early newspaper 'death by meteorite' stories:http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2003-March/018369.html Is this work taken with any seriousness in the scientific community? I do not know. There have been so many hoaxes...Unless stories are corroborated, I do not think they are takenseriously.I have not been privileged to read "Rain of Iron and Ice" but hope to do so in future.My reference "Uh oh" is to a unending debate between Kevin Kechinka andRon Baalke over the 1911 death of the Egyptian dog. Best,Ken"Charles R. Viau" wrote: I read "Rain of Iron and Ice", by John S. Lewis recently. He claimsthat there is hard evidence that many people have been killed by meteorites over the course of recorded history, especially in China, where themost detailed records of celestial events have been documented. Is thiswork taken with any seriousness in the scientific community? It even has a recommendation written by Carl Sagan. I loved that book, and I thinkit is a must read for everyone who is interested in meteorites. CharlyV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Ofmagellon Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 4:29 PM To: Ron Baalke; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Great Ball Of Fire Lights Up New Zealand Sky No one had been killed by a meteor but in 1911 one was blamed for causing the death of a dog, he said. Uh oh. (that dog will never die!:) kn Ron Baalke wrote: http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2600500a11,00.html Great ball of fire lights up Aucklanders' lives www.stuff.co.nz 06 August 2003 A spectacular fireball blazed across the northern sky yesterday, a piece of the more than 30,000 tonnes of the normally invisible space junk that hits Earth each year. Observers in Auckland and from as far away as Whangarei described a flaming, bright-red fireball with a long white tail shooting across the sky from the northeast just before 6pm. One man in Auckland suburb Orakei, who reported the sight to OneTree Hill Stardome Observatory, said the meteor appeared to remain bright as it disappeared over the horizon. Another man, who was driving towards the Auckland Harbour Bridge,said it was "amazing". "I saw the white light first and then it flaredinto a green flash. I've never seen a green like it before." Stardome spokeswoman Angela Doherty said the fireball, described as having a "lingering white tail", was a piece of either human space junk or space rock "that wandered just a bit too close to Earth". Wellington's Carter Observatory spokesman John Field said it wouldbe difficult to gauge the size of the meteor but said it could havebeen as big as a fist or the size of a person's head. No one had been killed by a meteor but in 1911 one was blamed for causing the death of a dog, he said. Most space debris simply fell harmlessly and invisibly to theground, heating up and burning as it entered the atmosphere before droppingto earth. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-listWant to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger
[meteorite-list] Ignorance is bliss - but only for the ignorant!
on 8/6/03 2:15 PM, Matson, Robert at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The operative point here is that (by definition) the average IQ is 100, and education can only do so much. --- Hi Robert, A few years ago when I was remarking upon how stunned I was by how dumb so many people are someone stated, You just don't appreciate how dumb an IQ of 100 really is. Well, I have been teaching at a Community College for about 12 years now and I am starting to become a believer. Best wishes, Michael PS: Not only is 100, by definition, the average' - you must also remember that nearly HALF the people have an IQ LOWER THAN 100! (This is also by definition, since the original sample was so huge, the mean, median and mode were all the same, forming a true and absolute bell curve - it is only nearly half because some are exactly 100) SUPPORT OUR TROUPS: http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html -- Facts are stupid things. Ronald Reagan -- Worth Seeing: - Earth at night from satellite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm - Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Panoramic view of Meteor Crater: http://www.virtualguidebooks.com/Arizona/GrandCanyonRoute66/MeteorCrater/Met eorCraterRimL.html -- Cool Calendar Clock: http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites Didgeridoos for sale at: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Collecting Ban
Hi Eric, Dr. Grossman and all, Starbits Wrote: Another comparison would be total mass. We know that NWA 869 has been estimated at 1500-2000kg alone. What is the mass of all the Antarctic meteorites? This is and would be an important consideration. I have noticed that a lot of the Antarctic falls are sometimes very small. Total mass would shed an interesting correlation to non-Antarctic finds. The significance of individual unique falls though can be over looked from a science advantage point. Also the Antarctic falls are from hundreds and thousands of years ago. Perhaps as much as 800,000 years ago, so there is a concentration of the falls on the ice sheets which may be distorting the numbers more. I am sure there are some things I haven't thought of or might be mistaken about. Respectfully and my best! --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT: metal detector giveaway!
Aloha! When we bought our house, it was an estate sale. The former owner was eccentric; among the things we acquired with the house were 3 metal detectors: a Micronta 4003, a Search Master Treasure Tracker DX 4000, and a Heathkit Groundtrack VLF. We are keeping at least one of these, but the Micronta has a damaged battery connection. If anyone likes to tinker with metal detectors, you may have the Micronta for only the cost of shipping to you (I estimate about $15 within the US); first one to respond gets it, and I will either send you my address to mail a check, or give you my Paypal contact information. On a side note, we aren't convinced either of the other two detectors are functional. Despite replacing the batteries in the Heathkit, no amount of tweaking has gotten a response from it, and the Search Master seems to have only two settings, off and BUZZ. We don't have the original instructions for either machine, so if anyone can e-mail me general instructions for using metal detectors of these types, or direct me to websites with said instructions, I would be grateful. Tracy Latimer _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Collecting Ban
Hello all A curiosity, how much ask now the Moroccans for ordinary material? I received email with offers from Moroccans that want from the $2 to the $16/gr. for ordinary material. begin a few to exaggerate with the requests, a time if satisfied with $0.10-20/gr. If you want answer in private... Regards Matteo --- Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Sergey and List, I feel the performance increase in rare finds from the desert is attributable to free enterprise and education. Moroccans and nomads know they will get more for an achondrite than a normal chondrite. They have learned that meteorites do not need to be magnetic and are now searching for anything out of place. We receive dozens of non-magnetic samples every month, about 10% being meteorites. Lots of fresh material is starting to show up because they know they will receive more money for it. We have been receiving more W0s and W1s than ever before. Three different mesosiderites have shown up in less than a year! The only thing that doesn't show up in greater numbers are irons. I believe there are now over 7,000 nomads, basically an army, keeping an eye out for meteorites. This has everything to do with the amount of material coming out of the Sahara. All the best, Adam - Original Message - From: Sergey Vasiliev [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Collecting Ban Dear Adam and List, Yes, you are right that desert has been easily outperforming Antarctica. But why? That was the question actually... What will happened if you will have enough money to send 100 Moroccans to search the ice for one month? ;-) Bernd, can you estimate it, please? ;-) Nothing against - just wondering... Good night (morning) and all the best, Sergey Sergey Vasiliev U Dalnice 839 Prague 5, 15500 Czech Republic www.sv-meteorites.com www.meteorites4you.com www.sv-minerals.com Dear Sergey and List, I wish I had the time to manage just such a database but this would represent a full-time effort. I think Bernd could tweak his data base to extrapolate some of this data. Maybe if we are nice he will do such a thing. My opinion is that the desert has been easily outperforming Antarctica the last two years and will continue to do so just as long as the laws remain favorable. All the best, Adam - Original Message - From: Sergey Vasiliev [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Collecting Ban Dear List and Adam, I do not have my copy of MetBase 6.0 yet so it is difficult for me to compare the latest SNCs numbers but... ;-) What about somebody who have a time and knowledge (Adam?) will make a mathematic formula to compare hot/cold deserts finds? Something like that: Deserts Finds: QOF = ((n * t)/S) * LUCK * EXPIRIENSE QOF = Quantity Of Finds n = quantity of nomads or other meteorite hunters or scientists involved in prospecting for meteorites t = average time of one nomad (hunter, scientist) searching for meteorites S = area in square km LUCK - I don't know the math for that yet ;-) EXPIRIENSE - All I know about this parameter is that it is going better time wise Sure you can add some parameters for moving ice in Antarctica to enlarge the S. But... you have to accept that penguins were witness of the falls (too bad we can't understand it yet) Anyway: (Non-Antarctic MINUS witness falls) in compare for the deserts. Sergey Dear List, It is interesting to note that the Non-Antarctic to Antarctic ratio is different when it comes to planetary material. SNCs Qty Non-AntarcticQty Antarctic 18 10 Lunar Qty Non-Antarctic Qty Antarctic 15 12 This ratio is also starting to favor other rare material. The desert is proving to be bountiful for new study material. All the best, Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list === message truncated === = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA,
