RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite man 2000
A huge column of fire all the way to the ground hit and splattered fire a mile to either side ... I was standing three hundred feet away. Wonder how he survived! All the best Happy Holidays, Greg Redfern JPL NASA Solar System Ambassador http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html International Meteorite Collectors Association #5781 http://www.imca.cc Member Meteoritical Society http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren Garrison Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 12:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite man 2000 I've only subscribed to this list for about a week now, so I don't know anything about the history of this list. Has this weird, interesting, way out there crackpot site been discussed before? http://www.meteoriteman2000.com/index.html I ran across it today when attempting to contact a bidder on Ebay (and give him a tip-- he had a zero feedback and I was trying to be helpful) and the e-mail address (which bounced) had this site as the domain. The guy is bidding on multiple lots of NWA 869 stones (at higher-than-needed prices, which I was going to point out to him). Since on his web site he is trying to sell 2-4 gram pieces of his messenger stone for $50 each, I'm thinking that he might want the NWAs to try and sell as pieces of his whatever the heck piece of junk that is. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery object in photo
Hi! Nice picture effect. Wish I thought of that. I only made some analyses on the streaked frame and fast switching between pre-streak-post. I don't think it's a meteorite but it would be fun to find out what it is. When I saw the 37 pages on the discussion board I didn't bother read them, but then I didn't add any postings either. I don't get your line of reasoning here. Why should a fluffy snowball be able to make it through the atmosphere at hypersonic speed when an iron wouldn't. An object with specific density 0.01 can't be that strong and the aerodynamic forces acting on an object is only dependant on shape, size, speed and the density of the atmosphere. Have you ever tried to throw a baloon? If a snowball and an iron ball of the same size and speed hits the atmosphere the snowball would suffer a retardation 10 times higher than the iron ball. I assume the specific density is 0.78 and 7.8 respectively. And even if both survived the snowball would drop slower and more vertical than the iron ball. The retardation (acceleration) is force divided by mass and force is only dependent of size, form, speed and athmospheric pressure. I will take another look at the pictures tonight but I have a party to go to first so it has to wait. What I would like to know is how the area around the camera looks. Was it indoor or outside? Has the picture been modified in any way except from the camera default compression algorithm? Was the sequence automatic or did he do it manually? As I'm a sceptic I need more proof that this isn't just a faked picture. The uniform width of the trail (btw, a shadow from a vapour trail would only look straight if you have the light source straight behind you if it's cast on a warped surface), the look of the explosion, the two symmetric ejectas and that the explosion seems to be in front of the lamp post. They all suggests to me that this is a prank. Compare it with all the true and unaltered pictures of UFO:s that have appeared the last fifty years. The only proof that this isn't an altered picture is the statement from the photographer that it wasn't altered. And that is the easiest explanation of this picture. Regards, Göran Sterling K. Webb wrote: Hi, At the moment I start to write this, there are 37 PAGES on the official discussion site for the mystery photo, and I've read ALL of them. A great deal of it is waste because most posters are not reading the other posts and seem to be unaware of the basic facts of the physical situation. Many theories are being batted about, mostly uselessly: Film, lens and shutter defects: It wasn't a film camera; it was a digital camera. It does not have the characteristics of a CCD defect. It does not seem to be a fake. The streak is the shadow of a jet contrail: Since we know the geographic location and the precise time (encoded in the camera data), we can tell that the photo was taken at or just seconds after the setting of the sun, so ANY aerial shadow is a physical impossibility. A depressing number of contrailists are professional scientists. Strange phenomena, go away! Sigh. To orient yourself, the camera is facing slightly east of due south. The illumination of the clouds is from the sun below the horizon (the sun is off to the right in the photo). The illumination on the water's surface is reflected cloudglow. Exploding light bulb: The local utility has inspected the light pole and lamp housing and found NO PHYSICAL DAMAGE of any kind. While the light bulb was found to be non-operable (burned out), everything was physically intact, no leaked sodium vapor, dents, dings, scratches, broken glass, etc. Additionally, it is a sodium vapor light bulb, which would go bad by cycling off and on, NOT by a terminal flash like an incandescent bulb. Another popular but useless theory. Ball lightning: Please! Contact Nikola Tesla right away... Folks hereabouts on the List seem to like the Bug theory. Too bad. There are lots of reasons why the bug theory is wrong, but here's the most concise one. In the frame that shows the terminal flash (which, in the bug theory, is the bug itself only inches away from the camera and caught by the camera flash unit), when compared with the before and after frames, the waters of the inlet between the pier and the camera brighten very noticeably, as if reflecting the flash from the pier, and the near sides of the adjacent light posts brighten to a lesser degree also. The flash is a real source of illumination and is located in the vicinity of the pier. No bugs. Anyone who has puzzled over the mystery photo should look at: http://images.isja.org/images/strange_diff_pryde_01.png This is a difference processing, created by subtracting 50% of the before frame and 50% of the after frame, thus isolating only those features unique to the impact frame. It clearly shows: a) the streak in the frame has a definite starting point within the frame, b) the streak extends to the flash and not beyond it,
Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery object in photo
Folks hereabouts on the List seem to like the Bug theory. Too bad. There are lots of reasons why the bug theory is wrong, but here's the most concise one. In the frame that shows the terminal flash (which, in the bug theory, is the bug itself only inches away from the camera and caught by the camera flash unit), when compared with the before and after frames, the waters of the inlet between the pier and the camera brighten very noticeably, as if reflecting the flash from the pier, and the near sides of the adjacent light posts brighten to a lesser degree also. The flash is a real source of illumination and is located in the vicinity of the pier. No bugs. Or... The camera is focused at infinity. The bug is within a few 10's of cms of the camera. The light reflected off of the water is actually an out-of-focus bug. I think the streak is about 2 meters across and 160 meters long; he thinks 205 meters long, and so forth. I make the velocity of the streaking object ~2700 meters per second (Mach 8). This velocity calculation is an average speed and assumes the streak moves for the full 1/20 second; it could be faster; it could be slowing down from a greater velocity. It obviously halts at the flash. I'll take your numbers over my eyeballed estimates, though it might be worth another look using the 20m-tall lamppost as a guide rather than the car. In any case, assuming that the object is distant and fast requires that the object move at hypersonic speed, producing shock waves and a considerable sonic boom (and perhaps a lot more light than we see here). A bug, close to the camera, moving at bug-speed, is still the simplest and most likely answer. I'll still vouch for the It's just another bug hunt answer. Cheers, MDF -- Marc Fries Postdoctoral Research Associate Carnegie Institution of Washington Geophysical Laboratory 5251 Broad Branch Rd. NW Washington, DC 20015 PH: 202 478 7970 FAX: 202 478 8901 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery object in photo
Hi Sterling- While I appreciate your efforts at approaching this in a scholarly way, and agree completely that there is an awful lot of wasted bandwidth on the discussion list endorsed by APOD, your view an mine are quite different, and point to the difficulties of interpreting very subtle effect in images- especially JPEG images. In particular, I disagree with the following physical observations: -That there is a correlated brightness increase in the inlet. I see only a variation caused by the surface chop changing the sky reflection. There are various areas of each image that shift slightly in brightness, sometimes more, sometimes less. -Your assessment of the difference image. The difference image I made shows the streak extending off the left edge of the image, not stopping. It also shows an un-arced path that varies in width over its length and is slightly wider overall at the left edge, tapering toward the right. Again, these are subtle effects, and working with JPEG images is pushing everything towards the noise limits. I remain convinced this is not a physical object moving at high speed. There is simply no mechanism for any thing meteoric- regardless of density- to make it to the surface with supersonic or hypersonic speed and not have been generating a lot of very obvious activity in the seconds before that. The idea that we are seeing something right in front of the lens is much simpler, can explain all of the features of the image, and doesn't have any image features that strongly argue against it. Indeed, many of the interpretation details- the actual length of the streak, the curvature of the streak, the uniformity of the streak, are largely irrelevant to the bug theory, but not to any high-speed object theory. It will be interesting to see what comes of this (if anything). Of course, if those little white pixels on the image really are faces turning towards something, and these witnesses turn up with a story, that will be very interesting. Until then, there is nothing but three noisy images to work with, and I'll stick with the simplest explanation. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 3:22 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery object in photo Hi, At the moment I start to write this, there are 37 PAGES on the official discussion site for the mystery photo, and I've read ALL of them. A great deal of it is waste because most posters are not reading the other posts and seem to be unaware of the basic facts of the physical situation. Many theories are being batted about, mostly uselessly: Film, lens and shutter defects: It wasn't a film camera; it was a digital camera. It does not have the characteristics of a CCD defect. It does not seem to be a fake. The streak is the shadow of a jet contrail: Since we know the geographic location and the precise time (encoded in the camera data), we can tell that the photo was taken at or just seconds after the setting of the sun, so ANY aerial shadow is a physical impossibility. A depressing number of contrailists are professional scientists. Strange phenomena, go away! Sigh. To orient yourself, the camera is facing slightly east of due south. The illumination of the clouds is from the sun below the horizon (the sun is off to the right in the photo). The illumination on the water's surface is reflected cloudglow. Exploding light bulb: The local utility has inspected the light pole and lamp housing and found NO PHYSICAL DAMAGE of any kind. While the light bulb was found to be non-operable (burned out), everything was physically intact, no leaked sodium vapor, dents, dings, scratches, broken glass, etc. Additionally, it is a sodium vapor light bulb, which would go bad by cycling off and on, NOT by a terminal flash like an incandescent bulb. Another popular but useless theory. Ball lightning: Please! Contact Nikola Tesla right away... Folks hereabouts on the List seem to like the Bug theory. Too bad. There are lots of reasons why the bug theory is wrong, but here's the most concise one. In the frame that shows the terminal flash (which, in the bug theory, is the bug itself only inches away from the camera and caught by the camera flash unit), when compared with the before and after frames, the waters of the inlet between the pier and the camera brighten very noticeably, as if reflecting the flash from the pier, and the near sides of the adjacent light posts brighten to a lesser degree also. The flash is a real source of illumination and is located in the vicinity of the pier. No bugs. Anyone who has puzzled over the mystery photo should look at: http://images.isja.org/images/strange_diff_pryde_01.png This is a difference processing, created by
Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery object in photo
No, that explanation is for this photo: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040913.html Peanut .. wrote: Sorry, but isn't the explanation of the photo in the link at the end of the description on the POD? Cj Lebel - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Meteoryt.net' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 2:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Mystery object in photo Hi Marcin, This series of photos made the rounds a few weeks ago -- it definitely is not a meteorite fall. Simplest reason: it doesn't fall vertically. --Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Meteoryt.net Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 2:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions? Ideas? http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap041207.html __ Why they think that this can't be a meteorite (bolide) ??? For me its a foto of new observed fall of a single meteorite. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery object in photo
The real explanation is at this link http://space.mit.edu/~lewin/apod/ Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm - Original Message - From: Jonathan Gore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Peanut .. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery object in photo No, that explanation is for this photo: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040913.html Peanut .. wrote: Sorry, but isn't the explanation of the photo in the link at the end of the description on the POD? Cj Lebel - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Meteoryt.net' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 2:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Mystery object in photo Hi Marcin, This series of photos made the rounds a few weeks ago -- it definitely is not a meteorite fall. Simplest reason: it doesn't fall vertically. --Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Meteoryt.net Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 2:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions? Ideas? http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap041207.html __ Why they think that this can't be a meteorite (bolide) ??? For me its a foto of new observed fall of a single meteorite. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Did you all see this one?
What do you think of this! http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap991117.html Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery object in photo
Tom AKA James Knudson wrote: The real explanation is at this link http://space.mit.edu/~lewin/apod/ Yes, that's the link that appears on APOD as the the explanation for a phenomenon in a photo that appeared on APOD a while back. But it is not the explanation for the 12/07/2004 APOD (the mystery object). Which is what I was trying to explain to Peanut. Best regards, Jonathan __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Did you all see this one?
Awesome! kn #9632 Tom AKA James Knudson wrote: What do you think of this! http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap991117.html Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Unbelieveable show! Show me more!
Dear List; It is winter here in the Western U.S., and those located here at 6,500 feet up and almost reach out and touch the sky on clear nights. After viewing a number of APOD pictures, I came to a question: does anyone market a CD of pictures and an accompanying CD of sound (such as 2001 A Space Oddessy) that one could present at a public showing? Our local public library loves to do things in winter, and with their digital slide projector, and sound, it might be a fun event to work on. We have an astronomy club here and I could probably get a person or two to talk if I had the pictures and sound CD's for a presentation. They have a 20 telescope. This would be a very fun, and educational event for the long winter (that will last until April). Best Holiday Seasons, Dave Freeman Brain Trust :-\ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Pellisson,the best of hypocrisy
Mr Pellissons, we finally found the way of emailing directly to the list... we don't hide anywhere and don't have to answer that kind of small remarks... A lot of people would like YOU to answer these questions : -Didn't you use names and parts of private mails to try to convict the Judge that meteorites have a link with Al Queda ? -The 9 march of this year (the day you have been sentenced guilty by Lyon's Court) didn't you send to major medias a 64 pages document of lies involving half of the scientists and collectors (you must have spend a whole month to invent that !) -Didn't you contact the Interior's Minister and Court des Comptes as well as Customs offices ? -You're stating that nothing is illegally done front of the Court, but your attorney present part of mails out of context where you are 100% lying. You even declared in a big French's newspaper that BIN LADEN IN PERSON came to Morocco to fix the details of the meteorite business . For all of this we have the papers in hands and Court statements ! You are involving just everybody and worst we know only the surface of the iceberg, what else did you do that will hurt the others in the future ? Answer these questions front of the people you are using to build your lies ! Dear List Members, can you imagine the consequences of such declarations ? They said that no scientists are publishing on NWA, that all scientists are calling NWA meteorite bastard child. They are speaking in the name of the Nom Com They did present themselves as scientists witch they are not, they are speaking on the name of the entire community but nobody ever give them this right. We ask all of you to react NOW, because if you don't you will be stop at Customs with the possibility to lose everything, in some countries some could go in jail and have your names link with terrorism in major medias and google, tax people will open files on ebay sales and money transfer... etc... What a great program, thank you to the pellissons your jealousy drive you to the worst acts. You can all do something, don't just wait and see: you can write a letter that will tell the Judge the truth on whom the pellison are. If you have in file mails or anything from them stating anything about Sahara meteorites, forward them to us as this could be very helpful for establishing the Truth. We all know that these are only lies but their false documents can convict some people whom don't know anything about meteoritic, we saw some journalists and Customs officers taking this very seriously. It's time to stop these mad guys now and the only way is to use Justice. You can write either publicly on this list or privately to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Meteorite collecting is pointed out as the worst think but History will retain who was in witch part of the fight. Sincerely, Bruno Carine La Memoire de la Terre Sarl The Earth's Memory LLC France www.meteorite.fr www.fossile.fr - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby? Let us explain the French problem with B. Fectay/C. Bidaut Bruno Fectay and Carine Bidaut have sued us in March 2004 for libel. It is only a civil action between B. Fectay/C. Bidaut and us to claim for damages. Now we are also claiming for damages against them. It will take several months to the justice before to return a verdict. As you can imagine, nothing is illegally done in front of the court : private emails are not admissible. And nobody can be summoned to appear in a civil action. All the remarks and all the publicity which have been given to this affair are the consequences of this civil action. Regarding our web page on NWA meteorites, the French court decided in our favor: Il ne peut être contesté que le débat sur les lieux de découvertes des météorites est légitime et présente un intérêt scientifique. La même légitimité doit être reconnue pour les discussions sur le transport et les opérations commerciales relatives à ces météorites We hope that everybody can return to his passion. And we wish that those interested by the subject will wait for the official decision. And if Bruno Fectay has something to express why does he needs to write through N. Classen and not with his own email ? For those who want to know more about us and our work on Saharan strewnfields, you can browse our web pages: http://www.SaharaMet.com And our 2003 expedition on Mauritanian craters: http://www.saharamet.com/expedition/2003/craters.html Best regards, Richard and Roland Pelisson - Original Message - From: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: La Memoire de la Terre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:38 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the
RE: [meteorite-list] Mystery object in photo
I think it is a meteor, alright, except it went off below the horizon. The light artifact is really an image of the fireball in the form of a CCD anomaly, since the CCD saturate and refresh rate ( shutter speed in a CCD) could not react to the speed of the object fast enough and super-imposed an image of the bright object at the wrong vertical position. Like a raster error. Just my guess. CharlyV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Göran Axelsson Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 10:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery object in photo Hi! Nice picture effect. Wish I thought of that. I only made some analyses on the streaked frame and fast switching between pre-streak-post. I don't think it's a meteorite but it would be fun to find out what it is. When I saw the 37 pages on the discussion board I didn't bother read them, but then I didn't add any postings either. I don't get your line of reasoning here. Why should a fluffy snowball be able to make it through the atmosphere at hypersonic speed when an iron wouldn't. An object with specific density 0.01 can't be that strong and the aerodynamic forces acting on an object is only dependant on shape, size, speed and the density of the atmosphere. Have you ever tried to throw a baloon? If a snowball and an iron ball of the same size and speed hits the atmosphere the snowball would suffer a retardation 10 times higher than the iron ball. I assume the specific density is 0.78 and 7.8 respectively. And even if both survived the snowball would drop slower and more vertical than the iron ball. The retardation (acceleration) is force divided by mass and force is only dependent of size, form, speed and athmospheric pressure. I will take another look at the pictures tonight but I have a party to go to first so it has to wait. What I would like to know is how the area around the camera looks. Was it indoor or outside? Has the picture been modified in any way except from the camera default compression algorithm? Was the sequence automatic or did he do it manually? As I'm a sceptic I need more proof that this isn't just a faked picture. The uniform width of the trail (btw, a shadow from a vapour trail would only look straight if you have the light source straight behind you if it's cast on a warped surface), the look of the explosion, the two symmetric ejectas and that the explosion seems to be in front of the lamp post. They all suggests to me that this is a prank. Compare it with all the true and unaltered pictures of UFO:s that have appeared the last fifty years. The only proof that this isn't an altered picture is the statement from the photographer that it wasn't altered. And that is the easiest explanation of this picture. Regards, Göran Sterling K. Webb wrote: Hi, At the moment I start to write this, there are 37 PAGES on the official discussion site for the mystery photo, and I've read ALL of them. A great deal of it is waste because most posters are not reading the other posts and seem to be unaware of the basic facts of the physical situation. Many theories are being batted about, mostly uselessly: Film, lens and shutter defects: It wasn't a film camera; it was a digital camera. It does not have the characteristics of a CCD defect. It does not seem to be a fake. The streak is the shadow of a jet contrail: Since we know the geographic location and the precise time (encoded in the camera data), we can tell that the photo was taken at or just seconds after the setting of the sun, so ANY aerial shadow is a physical impossibility. A depressing number of contrailists are professional scientists. Strange phenomena, go away! Sigh. To orient yourself, the camera is facing slightly east of due south. The illumination of the clouds is from the sun below the horizon (the sun is off to the right in the photo). The illumination on the water's surface is reflected cloudglow. Exploding light bulb: The local utility has inspected the light pole and lamp housing and found NO PHYSICAL DAMAGE of any kind. While the light bulb was found to be non-operable (burned out), everything was physically intact, no leaked sodium vapor, dents, dings, scratches, broken glass, etc. Additionally, it is a sodium vapor light bulb, which would go bad by cycling off and on, NOT by a terminal flash like an incandescent bulb. Another popular but useless theory. Ball lightning: Please! Contact Nikola Tesla right away... Folks hereabouts on the List seem to like the Bug theory. Too bad. There are lots of reasons why the bug theory is wrong, but here's the most concise one. In the frame that shows the terminal flash (which, in the bug theory, is the bug itself only inches away from the camera and caught by the camera flash unit), when compared with the before and after frames, the waters of the inlet between the pier and the camera brighten very noticeably, as if
Re: [meteorite-list] ad sale, benguerir nice stone
I was just 5 minutes ago offered 3 kilograms of pieces and individuals at 35 dirhams per gram, just over $4 gram, and I turned that down. The flood of this material is coming, just one week ago it was $10 gram and virtually nothing was available. Patience people, it will be available and cheap in a few more weeks. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: aziz habibi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 11:15 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] ad sale, benguerir nice stone hello list here is photo of a nice benguerir compleat stone 677 gr . http://fr.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/azizhabibi/my_photos its may be the first stone to have been founld compleat, nicely orionted you can see the lips over the face of the stone. its for sell and i will sell it for the best offer. let me know your offer. thanks aziz _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ad sale, benguerir
Hi Mike and all, Yesterday I was offered 5.5 kilos at 24 Dirhams (roughly $3.00) per gram and I turned it down as something smelled bad with the urgency of the deal. That, and the pieces were broken and large, perfect for cutting however. I would have jumped if they were small individuals. Take care, Greg - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aziz habibi [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad sale, benguerir nice stone I was just 5 minutes ago offered 3 kilograms of pieces and individuals at 35 dirhams per gram, just over $4 gram, and I turned that down. The flood of this material is coming, just one week ago it was $10 gram and virtually nothing was available. Patience people, it will be available and cheap in a few more weeks. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: aziz habibi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 11:15 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] ad sale, benguerir nice stone hello list here is photo of a nice benguerir compleat stone 677 gr . http://fr.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/azizhabibi/my_photos its may be the first stone to have been founld compleat, nicely orionted you can see the lips over the face of the stone. its for sell and i will sell it for the best offer. let me know your offer. thanks aziz _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ad sale, benguerir
Greg, Aziz, and everyone, I am not trying to degrade this fall, it is a nice fall, deserves the recognition and to be in everyone's collections. However, I am simply trying to avoid some of the hard-feelings and problems that past falls in that area have caused, namely the huge initial price, then the collapse as more and more comes out and many dealers get it and start trying to outsell the others by dropping the price like a rock. I certainly will buy as large an individual as I can get, but I will show some patience and let the price come down. Mike Farmer I think myself that a retail price of $2 or $3 gram is more than fair for this material, but I wont pay that in Morocco (obviously getting the costs thousands of $$$ for me, less for people from France). - Original Message - From: Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad sale, benguerir Hi Mike and all, Yesterday I was offered 5.5 kilos at 24 Dirhams (roughly $3.00) per gram and I turned it down as something smelled bad with the urgency of the deal. That, and the pieces were broken and large, perfect for cutting however. I would have jumped if they were small individuals. Take care, Greg - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aziz habibi [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad sale, benguerir nice stone I was just 5 minutes ago offered 3 kilograms of pieces and individuals at 35 dirhams per gram, just over $4 gram, and I turned that down. The flood of this material is coming, just one week ago it was $10 gram and virtually nothing was available. Patience people, it will be available and cheap in a few more weeks. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: aziz habibi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 11:15 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] ad sale, benguerir nice stone hello list here is photo of a nice benguerir compleat stone 677 gr . http://fr.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/azizhabibi/my_photos its may be the first stone to have been founld compleat, nicely orionted you can see the lips over the face of the stone. its for sell and i will sell it for the best offer. let me know your offer. thanks aziz _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Best oriented meteorite for sale ends in a few hours!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=2291946404 Check this baby out, then bid! It is a once in many years chance at a superb piece, fit for any private or museum collection. Michael Farmer PS, don't forget, Paypal offers buyer credit, you can buy and pay later to paypal. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] aziz morroco
hi salam aziz kif halak matbieche bi dak attamane chouf nasa http://www.nasa.gov/externalflash/Vision/index.html -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ad sale, benguerir
Hi Mike, I couldn't agree with you more. I wasn't trying to degrade the fall, just adding that I thought if was fishy about their urgency for me to buy now yesterday. I had the same thoughts that more will, and is, starting to come out, and quickly now. In fact, I just got back home to another email from someone in Morocco I do not even know asking what he should pay for 1.5 kilos of the new fall available to him. I was one of the ones who got caught paying too much for Amgala, but no worries, I have a lot of great smaller individuals. My guess is that some of the material Mike and myself have turned down is what may be circulating to others so we should not add all of those figures into the TKW. Take care, Greg - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad sale, benguerir Greg, Aziz, and everyone, I am not trying to degrade this fall, it is a nice fall, deserves the recognition and to be in everyone's collections. However, I am simply trying to avoid some of the hard-feelings and problems that past falls in that area have caused, namely the huge initial price, then the collapse as more and more comes out and many dealers get it and start trying to outsell the others by dropping the price like a rock. I certainly will buy as large an individual as I can get, but I will show some patience and let the price come down. Mike Farmer I think myself that a retail price of $2 or $3 gram is more than fair for this material, but I wont pay that in Morocco (obviously getting the costs thousands of $$$ for me, less for people from France). - Original Message - From: Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad sale, benguerir Hi Mike and all, Yesterday I was offered 5.5 kilos at 24 Dirhams (roughly $3.00) per gram and I turned it down as something smelled bad with the urgency of the deal. That, and the pieces were broken and large, perfect for cutting however. I would have jumped if they were small individuals. Take care, Greg - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aziz habibi [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad sale, benguerir nice stone I was just 5 minutes ago offered 3 kilograms of pieces and individuals at 35 dirhams per gram, just over $4 gram, and I turned that down. The flood of this material is coming, just one week ago it was $10 gram and virtually nothing was available. Patience people, it will be available and cheap in a few more weeks. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: aziz habibi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 11:15 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] ad sale, benguerir nice stone hello list here is photo of a nice benguerir compleat stone 677 gr . http://fr.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/azizhabibi/my_photos its may be the first stone to have been founld compleat, nicely orionted you can see the lips over the face of the stone. its for sell and i will sell it for the best offer. let me know your offer. thanks aziz _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Benguerir meteorite
Hello List, Just a quick note to remember you that I have 10 auctions ending in few hours on eBay. These little fragments brought back from Benguerir strewnfield last week are pristine. It has rained there during three days (November 29, 30 and December 1st). Naturally, pieces recovered after the rain will have some weathering. Especially the one which have stayed in the well... Best Wishes, Philippe http://stores.ebay.fr/Meteoritica_W0QQsspagenameZl2QQtZkm __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ad sale, benguerir nice stone
- Original Message - From: aziz habibi [EMAIL PROTECTED] hello list here is photo of a nice benguerir compleat stone 677 gr . http://fr.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/azizhabibi/my_photos Wow a beautifull and fresh stone. Congratulations -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pellisson,the best of hypocrisy
Mr. Fectay, we have still answered about these points (see below). But could you explain to the list why when people make a search on google.com with the french words : Mike Farmer meteorites illegales or Alain Carion meteorites illegales They arrive on your answer to a journalist at who you explain : http://www.maroc-hebdo.press.ma/MHinternet/Archives_575/html_575/4rue.html vous pourriez citer d'autres personnes qui, elles n'ont pas de preuves d'export: Mike Farmer (météorite lunaire d'un kilo), les frères Pellisson qui ont 500 Kg de météorites marocaines illégales, Alain Carion qui a des centaines de kilos de météorites du Maroc, etc. Nous attendons votre réaction avant de saisir l'avocat de notre société. Pour faire Valoir ce que de droit. Bruno Fectay Perhaps could you translate in English your answer to this journalist and share with the list your idea of what is the best of hypocrisy About our web page, when we see the misadventure which happened at Mike during his last trip, it's natural to ask the question : Who are these kind nomads who share the tea with him one day, and the other day drive at full speed in a military place to escape at a patrol with the risk to explode in a minefield or to be shoot by another patrol? What his the reason of their quick change of attitude when they have been discovered at 2 km of the Algeria border, near the mined wall? See Mike recent email, title : [meteorite-list] Morocco new fall news We had planned a careful search, but one of the Moroccans spotted a military patrol coming so we packed up quickly and fled. It is very flat there, nowhere to hide. They chased us for about 2 hours but we were too far ahead and they could not catch up, but it was close enough for meMike Richard and Roland Pelisson -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have put this web page explaining the situation of NWA meteorites for a good reason : http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1) the situation of terrorism is dramatic in Algeria and there is an open link with contraband. See these recent posts of Mike on the mailing with the title :Re: [meteorite-list] news from Algeria and [meteorite-list] Algeria : Yep, things are getting a little scary out in Islamland. Why anyone would go to Algeria I dont know. The Army of God terrorist group is still hacking people up there on a daily basis. Michel, are you suggesting that massacres do not happen in Algeria? Tens of thousands are dead over the decade. I can pull up hundreds of articles on the bombings, entire villages murdered etc. Mike 2) meteorites bought in Morocco are coming from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt for their majority. It's the case of NWA 482 and 2046 of Mike for example. And for his recent trip, when we see that he has been driven right on the Algeria border to find the original seller... for us this seller seems coming from Algeria (nomads with their flocks don't live in a minefield... in the other case, after one week, there will be no more flock in live). 3) the potential for meteorite prospecting in Morocco is very limited and the border with Algeria is officially closed since 1994. For protecting Morocco from army groups coming from Algeria there's a double wall of earth created by bulldozer and mined : one million mines !!!. It's a military place where it's forbidden to go. It's what Mike has described in his recent trip with the title : [meteorite-list] Morocco new fall news .That is when the Moroccans told me that this was a military-only, prohibited zone, and that we were not allowed there! I of course got a little concerned (especially when we saw several mine-fields. We were driving cross-country at night with no lights, only by full moonlight, (not a safe thing in an old war zone where mine-fields are still around). The next morning we arrived at the tent of the nomad who found the pallasite. He led us there, over the berm and military fighting emplacements to the site, Algeria was only about 2 kilometers away...Mike So read our web page, you will see that it contains lots of things that dealers have still noticed. But it's sure that for us meteorites are also a world patrimony which could be protected under the UNESCO laws : http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2001/pdf/5150.pdf Just for comparison : 20 kg of Martian meteorites have been discovered in hot desert by systematic prospectors who share full documentation, photos, GPS localization... and only 3 kg have been discovered by NWA approach. Coordinates are important to find paired specimen, a world patrimony is lost. Richard and Roland Pelisson --- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Pellisson,the best of hypocrisy
It might be natural to ask a question then, but THIS one? This isn't the natural question, but a highly fabricated, insane and stupid question. I really think you are on the very dead end of your carreer. Strung up in your own fabrics, unable to get out of the hole you dug yourself. Happy rotting in there, I enjoy to watch. -- Liebe Grüße/best regards Bernhard Rems - [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS: If you REALLY think the answer to your question is they are supporters of terrorism, get your head insured for its rarity: You have found a way to store billions of tons of sh... in a small space. Am Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:12:35 EST, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: About our web page, when we see the misadventure which happened at Mike during his last trip, it's natural to ask the question : Who are these kind nomads who share the tea with him one day, and the other day drive at full speed in a military place to escape at a patrol with the risk to explode in a minefield or to be shoot by another patrol? What his the reason of their quick change of attitude when they have been discovered at 2 km of the Algeria border, near the mined wall? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Picture request
Hi list- I am requesting images of the following specimens for the picture post: Wold cottage 1795 Weston 1807 Please send before or by December 12. Regards, Michael Johnson SPACE ROCKS, INC. 380 Cleveland Street Pacolet, South Carolina 29372 Tel: (864) 578 5188 SPACE ROCKS, INC.: http://www.geocities.com/spacerocksinc/spacerocksinc.html ROCKS FROM SPACE PICTURE OF THE DAY: http://www.geocities.com/spacerocksinc/Calendar.html GALLERY: http://www.meteoritegallery.com/gallery/rfsdmp __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: JPL van rollover
Did anyone see this? Are any of our list members involved in this horrible accident? I sure hope not. Mike Farmer - Original Message - Hope this is not anyone we know. Van Rolls Down Mountain Killing Three LOS ANGELES (Dec. 8) - A commuter van from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory tumbled 200 feet off a twisting mountain road Wednesday, killing at least three people, authorities said. The van carrying 11 people, including a driver, plunged off Angeles Crest Highway in the Angeles National Forest at about 6:30 a.m. and rolled down the mountainside, Los Angeles County Fire Department inspector Ron Haralson said. ''One person was able to get out of the van and make his way up to the road'' to get help, Haralson said. Fire inspectors initially said four people had died in the crash, but they lowered the death toll during the rescue operation. Those three were pronounced dead at the scene. Televised reports showed a badly battered white van lying in the middle of dense forest. Firefighters tore off the doors to reach victims, who were lifted by helicopter to hospitals. Haralson had no details on injuries except to say some were serious. Clouds and fog shrouded the site, at an altitude of about 1,500 feet. It wasn't immediately known if the fog had anything to do with the accident, which happened on a twisting, two-lane blacktop with steep drops. The commuter van was from the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, lab spokesman D.C. Agle said. JPL is the control center for several NASA projects, including the Mars rovers. The road is traveled by hundreds of cars daily. People living in the Antelope Valley area of the high desert northeast of Los Angeles use it as a shortcut to reach a freeway in Pasadena, said Terrie Trippel, a spokeswoman for the Angeles National Forest. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pellisson,the best of hypocrisy
Mr. Pellison, Bruno Fectay and I don't often see eye to eye, neither of us will likely send the other a Christmas card, but we agree on one thing, and that is that you are the biggest threat to the meteorite world. I mean come on, Bin Laden actually organizing the meteorite trade in Morocco? A guy with tens or hundreds of millions of dollars, and he needs to meddle with the pathetic meteorite trade? Please As far as the kind Nomads who shared tea with me, they were very nice nomads, and as you well know, Nomads are in no shortage anywhere in the Moroccan Sahara. They live there, it is not my concern where they live or why, there were many of them, I sat in their home, ate their food, played with their children. Are you now suggesting that they are terrorists? Maybe they don't like being harassed by military, like most people in the world. Maybe they don't like that fact that just about every Moroccan soldier or policeman want Baksheesh (bribes) for everything from looking at them wrong to walking on the side of the road. Maybe you should seek medical help, you are obsessed with the idea that you and only you can find meteorites. By the way, you have answered absolutely NONE of the questions posed to you by many members of this community. Why? No answer usually suggest guilt, or lack of a good answer to support your case. Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pellisson,the best of hypocrisy Mr. Fectay, we have still answered about these points (see below). But could you explain to the list why when people make a search on google.com with the french words : Mike Farmer meteorites illegales or Alain Carion meteorites illegales They arrive on your answer to a journalist at who you explain : http://www.maroc-hebdo.press.ma/MHinternet/Archives_575/html_575/4rue.html vous pourriez citer d'autres personnes qui, elles n'ont pas de preuves d'export: Mike Farmer (météorite lunaire d'un kilo), les frères Pellisson qui ont 500 Kg de météorites marocaines illégales, Alain Carion qui a des centaines de kilos de météorites du Maroc, etc. Nous attendons votre réaction avant de saisir l'avocat de notre société. Pour faire Valoir ce que de droit. Bruno Fectay Perhaps could you translate in English your answer to this journalist and share with the list your idea of what is the best of hypocrisy About our web page, when we see the misadventure which happened at Mike during his last trip, it's natural to ask the question : Who are these kind nomads who share the tea with him one day, and the other day drive at full speed in a military place to escape at a patrol with the risk to explode in a minefield or to be shoot by another patrol? What his the reason of their quick change of attitude when they have been discovered at 2 km of the Algeria border, near the mined wall? See Mike recent email, title : [meteorite-list] Morocco new fall news We had planned a careful search, but one of the Moroccans spotted a military patrol coming so we packed up quickly and fled. It is very flat there, nowhere to hide. They chased us for about 2 hours but we were too far ahead and they could not catch up, but it was close enough for meMike Richard and Roland Pelisson -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have put this web page explaining the situation of NWA meteorites for a good reason : http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1) the situation of terrorism is dramatic in Algeria and there is an open link with contraband. See these recent posts of Mike on the mailing with the title :Re: [meteorite-list] news from Algeria and [meteorite-list] Algeria : Yep, things are getting a little scary out in Islamland. Why anyone would go to Algeria I dont know. The Army of God terrorist group is still hacking people up there on a daily basis. Michel, are you suggesting that massacres do not happen in Algeria? Tens of thousands are dead over the decade. I can pull up hundreds of articles on the bombings, entire villages murdered etc. Mike 2) meteorites bought in Morocco are coming from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt for their majority. It's the case of NWA 482 and 2046 of Mike for example. And for his recent trip, when we see that he has been driven right on the Algeria border to find the original seller... for us this seller seems coming from Algeria (nomads with their flocks don't live in a minefield... in the other case, after one week, there will be no more flock in live). 3) the potential for meteorite prospecting in Morocco is very limited and the border with Algeria is officially closed since 1994. For protecting Morocco from army groups coming from Algeria there's a double wall of earth created by bulldozer and mined : one
[meteorite-list] Mars Global Surveyor Images - December 2-8, 2004
MARS GLOBAL SURVEYOR IMAGES December 2-8, 2004 The following new images taken by the Mars Orbiter Camera (MOC) on the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft are now available: o Lava Flow Features (Released 02 December 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/12/02/ o North Polar Layers (Released 03 December 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/12/03/ o Polygon/Cracked Sedimentary Rock (Released 04 December 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/12/04/ o Layers in Shalbatana Vallis (Released 05 December 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/12/05/ o Layers and Streaks (Released 06 December 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/12/06/ o Hypanis Layered Outcrop (Released 07 December 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/12/07/ o Memnonia Sulci Yardangs (Released 08 December 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/12/08/ All of the Mars Global Surveyor images are archived here: http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/index.html Mars Global Surveyor was launched in November 1996 and has been in Mars orbit since September 1997. It began its primary mapping mission on March 8, 1999. Mars Global Surveyor is the first mission in a long-term program of Mars exploration known as the Mars Surveyor Program that is managed by JPL for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, DC. Malin Space Science Systems (MSSS) and the California Institute of Technology built the MOC using spare hardware from the Mars Observer mission. MSSS operates the camera from its facilities in San Diego, CA. The Jet Propulsion Laboratory's Mars Surveyor Operations Project operates the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft with its industrial partner, Lockheed Martin Astronautics, from facilities in Pasadena, CA and Denver, CO. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (AD) NWA 2121
Hi list.I have .154 gram slice of NWA 2121.It is a co3.2.$25.00 for this piece.TKW is only 26 grams.I'll pay the .49 shipping. steve = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA supply slowing?
Folks, A few knowledgeable dealers have recently commented that the supply of NWA meteorites is slowing. Who agrees or disagrees, and what are the signs? If the flow is slowing, how much? --Jamie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery object in photo
Hi, Chris and everybody... Like you, I was horrified/disgusted at having to use JPEG's that were practically one gigantic artifact. I would love to have the RAW data, but I wouldn't be surprised to find it was gone by now. Usually, the conversion to an image format takes place when downloading the RAW data from camera memory to a computer, mediated by the capture software. If it's not still in the camera (or its memory card), it's gone. The creator of the first difference image later posted another diff image which shows the surface of the inlet between the pier and the camera and the brightening is general over the entire inlet and brightest on a central line from the camera to the flash. Here's the URL: http://images.isja.org/images/strange_diff_pryde_03.png I don't think it's significant whether the streak enters the frame or starts within it. The other characteristic you mention, the slight widening to the left, could be considered another indication of a dissipating trail from the object and hence proof it's real. But the image is not really good enough for that. I judged a slight arc by enlarging the image to various degrees and putting a flexible lucite scale on the face of my flat-screen! But the optics of digital cameras are rife with spherical abberations of perspective, and this is a Cannon G3, a cheap point and shoot. The camera (for those who asked) was set on automatic; the photographer did not stand by the camera and make exposures. The frames are 15 seconds apart. All digital images contain a set of embedded data about the camera state and setting, time, and so forth. These can be faked but it's not that easy. As for whether the image is a fake, the best argument against it is this: why would you fake an image about which no one can agree? Why make it look like it hit a lamp post when you know the post won't show any damage? Why not just photoshop in a BRIGHT streak, like everyone expects to see? It's easy; I could take this picture and produce a lovely little fake in about an hour, complete with fake embedded data. But it would ultimately be detectable. Now, why a low density object? Actually, it's easy to transport extra-terrestial material with cosmic velocities gently to the surface of the Earth without damage. Every year, tens of thousands of tons of cosmic particles drift down through the atmosphere, taking weeks to days to do so, and plop onto the planet. But they're tiny: dust. Equally, big nasty chunks try it, and they are fried for trying. At some point, the dual axes of these graphs cross and the entering survivors live there. The low angle of entry, complained about by many, is in fact one of the most salient characteristics of a body that can survive to reach the surface of the Earth. A grazing path slows the buildup of entry forces. Low density? As the density decreases, the ratio of surface area to mass increases, until at some point you have an object that can dissipate the heat of its entry sufficiently to be non-luminous, like the mystery object. The suicidal path for a small meteorite is to bore straight into the atmosphere from the zenith at high velocity. Hell, it's only 30,000 meters; I can make it in less than a second! Poof! Additionally, a flattened shape would probably aid survival as well, but I'm a physicist, so all my objects are generalized to spheres. :-) As for bugs... I didn't know it when I started reading all those pages of argument, but there is a (pseudo) controversy about photographing insects; just go Google flying rods. If you photograph insects at slow shutter speeds, they appear as strange alien forms with helical fins, and yes, there are some idiots out there peddling bug videos as movies of tiny alien spacecraft invisible to the naked eye, blah, blah... But the streak in the mystery photo (exposure 1/20 second), proposed to be a time-blurred bug, does not look anything like what an actual long exposure image of a flying insect looks like. Check out the flying rods and marvel at the gullibility of the poor humans. I still don't know what this is. Sterling K. Webb Chris Peterson wrote: Hi Sterling- While I appreciate your efforts at approaching this in a scholarly way, and agree completely that there is an awful lot of wasted bandwidth on the discussion list endorsed by APOD, your view an mine are quite different, and point to the difficulties of interpreting very subtle effect in images- especially JPEG images. In particular, I disagree with the following physical observations: -That there is a correlated brightness increase in the inlet. I see only a variation caused by the surface chop changing the sky reflection. There are various areas of each image that shift slightly in brightness, sometimes more, sometimes less. -Your assessment of the difference image. The difference image I made shows the streak
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA supply slowing?
Jamie, I can't quote stats, I'm not qualified to make scientific opinions but I do know that everything is finite, at least so far as we know it on Earth. Bill -- Original message -- From: Jamie Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Folks, A few knowledgeable dealers have recently commented that the supply of NWA meteorites is slowing. Who agrees or disagrees, and what are the signs? If the flow is slowing, how much? --Jamie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA supply slowing?
I'd also be willing to bet that there is a lot more NWA material stocked around the world than remains in NWA itself. I think the average person in that part of the world must be pretty motivated to find and sell as fast as they can. Highly motivated to put forth a LOT of effort to round up everything they can. Ask any homeless person in the US or anywhere. Do you think they stockpile their aluminum cans waiting for prices to go up? Bill -- Original message -- From: Jamie Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Folks, A few knowledgeable dealers have recently commented that the supply of NWA meteorites is slowing. Who agrees or disagrees, and what are the signs? If the flow is slowing, how much? --Jamie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA supply slowing?
Two signs I have heard of: Lab waiting times are getting shorter Prices in Morocco raise Two signs I have seen myself: Little new material on meteorite fairs Prices on ebay rise -- Liebe Grüße/best regards Bernhard Rems - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am Wed, 08 Dec 2004 20:59:19 -0600, schrieb Jamie Stephens: Folks, A few knowledgeable dealers have recently commented that the supply of NWA meteorites is slowing. Who agrees or disagrees, and what are the signs? If the flow is slowing, how much? --Jamie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] what is the current address to post on the I.M.C.A. list?
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Re: [meteorite-list] ad sale, benguerir
Sinceraly a price of over $27/gr. - on ebay - its a little exaggerated, calculate at few months this meteorite go ended type Amgala - start price $10-12/gr. now $3-4/gr... Matteo From: Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad sale, benguerir Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:40:25 -0600 Hi Mike, I couldn't agree with you more. I wasn't trying to degrade the fall, just adding that I thought if was fishy about their urgency for me to buy now yesterday. I had the same thoughts that more will, and is, starting to come out, and quickly now. In fact, I just got back home to another email from someone in Morocco I do not even know asking what he should pay for 1.5 kilos of the new fall available to him. I was one of the ones who got caught paying too much for Amgala, but no worries, I have a lot of great smaller individuals. My guess is that some of the material Mike and myself have turned down is what may be circulating to others so we should not add all of those figures into the TKW. Take care, Greg - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad sale, benguerir Greg, Aziz, and everyone, I am not trying to degrade this fall, it is a nice fall, deserves the recognition and to be in everyone's collections. However, I am simply trying to avoid some of the hard-feelings and problems that past falls in that area have caused, namely the huge initial price, then the collapse as more and more comes out and many dealers get it and start trying to outsell the others by dropping the price like a rock. I certainly will buy as large an individual as I can get, but I will show some patience and let the price come down. Mike Farmer I think myself that a retail price of $2 or $3 gram is more than fair for this material, but I wont pay that in Morocco (obviously getting the costs thousands of $$$ for me, less for people from France). - Original Message - From: Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad sale, benguerir Hi Mike and all, Yesterday I was offered 5.5 kilos at 24 Dirhams (roughly $3.00) per gram and I turned it down as something smelled bad with the urgency of the deal. That, and the pieces were broken and large, perfect for cutting however. I would have jumped if they were small individuals. Take care, Greg - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aziz habibi [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad sale, benguerir nice stone I was just 5 minutes ago offered 3 kilograms of pieces and individuals at 35 dirhams per gram, just over $4 gram, and I turned that down. The flood of this material is coming, just one week ago it was $10 gram and virtually nothing was available. Patience people, it will be available and cheap in a few more weeks. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: aziz habibi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 11:15 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] ad sale, benguerir nice stone hello list here is photo of a nice benguerir compleat stone 677 gr . http://fr.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/azizhabibi/my_photos its may be the first stone to have been founld compleat, nicely orionted you can see the lips over the face of the stone. its for sell and i will sell it for the best offer. let me know your offer. thanks aziz _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Scarica gratuitamente MSN Toolbar! http://toolbar.msn.it/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ad sale, benguerir nice stone
Fresh? Not many, I seen some rusty in the broken face... Matteo From: Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad sale, benguerir nice stone Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:45:55 +0100 - Original Message - From: aziz habibi [EMAIL PROTECTED] hello list here is photo of a nice benguerir compleat stone 677 gr . http://fr.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/azizhabibi/my_photos Wow a beautifull and fresh stone. Congratulations -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Ricerche online più semplici e veloci con MSN Toolbar! http://toolbar.msn.it/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] what is the current address to post on the I.M.C.A. list?
same question here :-) -- Liebe Grüße/best regards Bernhard Rems - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am Thu, 09 Dec 2004 07:14:01 +, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Messages truncated __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ad sale, benguerir
in March I have many pieces for a very very low priceI waith...I waith... Matteo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: McomeMeteorite Meteorite [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad sale, benguerir Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 07:19:53 + Matteo, For once I agree with you. That's bs. I don't believe it for a minute. Bill -- Original message -- From: McomeMeteorite Meteorite [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sinceraly a price of over $27/gr. - on ebay - its a little exaggerated, calculate at few months this meteorite go ended type Amgala - start price $10-12/gr. now $3-4/gr... Matteo From: Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad sale, benguerir Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:40:25 -0600 Hi Mike, I couldn't agree with you more. I wasn't trying to degrade the fall, just adding that I thought if was fishy about their urgency for me to buy now yesterday. I had the same thoughts that more will, and is, starting to come out, and quickly now. In fact, I just got back home to another email from someone in Morocco I do not even know asking what he should pay for 1.5 kilos of the new fall available to him. I was one of the ones who got caught paying too much for Amgala, but no worries, I have a lot of great smaller individuals. My guess is that some of the material Mike and myself have turned down is what may be circulating to others so we should not add all of those figures into the TKW. Take care, Greg - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad sale, benguerir Greg, Aziz, and everyone, I am not trying to degrade this fall, it is a nice fall, deserves the recognition and to be in everyone's collections. However, I am simply trying to avoid some of the hard-feelings and problems that past falls in that area have caused, namely the huge initial price, then the collapse as more and more comes out and many dealers get it and start trying to outsell the others by dropping the price like a rock. I certainly will buy as large an individual as I can get, but I will show some patience and let the price come down. Mike Farmer I think myself that a retail price of $2 or $3 gram is more than fair for this material, but I wont pay that in Morocco (obviously getting the costs thousands of $$$ for me, less for people from France). - Original Message - From: Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad sale, benguerir Hi Mike and all, Yesterday I was offered 5.5 kilos at 24 Dirhams (roughly $3.00) per gram and I turned it down as something smelled bad with the urgency of the deal. That, and the pieces were broken and large, perfect for cutting however. I would have jumped if they were small individuals. Take care, Greg - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aziz habibi [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad sale, benguerir nice stone I was just 5 minutes ago offered 3 kilograms of pieces and individuals at 35 dirhams per gram, just over $4 gram, and I turned that down. The flood of this material is coming, just one week ago it was $10 gram and virtually nothing was available. Patience people, it will be available and cheap in a few more weeks. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: aziz habibi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 11:15 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] ad sale, benguerir nice stone hello list here is photo of a nice benguerir compleat stone 677 gr . http://fr.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/azizhabibi/my_photos its may be the first stone to have been founld compleat, nicely orionted you can see the lips over the face of the stone. its for sell and i will sell it for the best offer. let me know your offer. thanks aziz _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] lovely analogy
Bernhard! PS: If you REALLY think the answer to your question is they are supporters of terrorism, get your head insured for its rarity: You have found a way to store billions of tons of sh... in a small space. What a wonderful analogy! You are a master of sarcasm - worthy of Oscar Wilde!! ...and that is all I have to say on the Pellison affair. Best! dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: [ I.M.C.A. ] Updates
Ok,
I asked nice several times and was disregarded by IMCA. I didn't bother to
check their site. President Anne just sent me to yahoo and said goodnight. Not
a meteorite collector and not showing very good people skills, not that I'm all
that great at it myself.
Bill
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Dues, By-laws, evasive innuendo. Take a stand and earn the dues. Magazine
promotions are hardly worthy of respect. Ken, I'm sorry but you haven't
responded to my questions in private. I remember when you emailed me
thinking
I
might be a lawyer, obviously pandering to my possible use to your
organization.
When I told you I wasn't you didn't even respond. You disregarded me
completely
as I think you figured I have nothing to offer to your scheme. That said a
lot
about you and IMCA.
Bill Kieskowski
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Hello Members,
Recently there were lengthy discussions on MeteoriteCentral about methods
of
tracking the ownership of meteorites over the years and the availability
of
a
list of meteorites currently undergoing classification. And it was
suggested
that the IMCA could handle both issues. This is true, those are certainly
the
kind of programs the IMCA would like to offer to the members.
But before you furnish a house, you must build it.
The foundations have been set and are solid; now we are creating the
teams
who will take it from there. 3 team leaders have already been named and
if
you
would like to help them, please go right ahead and contact them.
Don Edwards, our newest director, will take care of the Membership,
approving applications, handling changes,...
Norbert Classen, our IT expert, will figure out ways to improve our
website and install there all the features and programs we want to be
able
to
offer
to the membership.
Ken Newton has now the unenviable task of writing the By-laws, the
rules
and regulations we will all have to live with for years to come.
Incidentally Ken is also our Treasurer, so he is the one you will send
your
2005 Membership dues to. It is not too early to think about it, and
please
remember that it is the IMCA's only source of revenue.
The annual membership fee will again be $20, and it will allow you to
display
the IMCA logo on your website and on Ebay. If you want to take care of it
right now, please mail a check to Ken Newton (and in his name), 115 Maple
Avenue,
N. Lehigh Acres, Florida, 33936-6482 USA. Or go right to Paypal, our
account is under: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Finally, we are all very busy people on the Board but, as the President,
I
certainly will try to keep you better informed by posting updates more
often.
In
the mean time your questions and comments are always welcome.
Thank you.
Anne M. Black
http://www.impactika.com/
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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http://www.imca.cc/
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [ I.M.C.A. ] Updates
Well Bill, You can collect meteorites and You can get better people skills. Our president is one of the most people oriented meteorite collectors that I know. Oh, and it is time for me, and Madam President and all good little boys and girls to go to bedSanta will be here soon. In Europe, I have heard that errant children get sticks in their stockings instead of lumps of coal...Is that true Bernd? Very best, Dave F. (gone to bed) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I asked nice several times and was disregarded by IMCA. I didn't bother to check their site. President Anne just sent me to yahoo and said goodnight. Not a meteorite collector and not showing very good people skills, not that I'm all that great at it myself. Bill -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dues, By-laws, evasive innuendo. Take a stand and earn the dues. Magazine promotions are hardly worthy of respect. Ken, I'm sorry but you haven't responded to my questions in private. I remember when you emailed me thinking I might be a lawyer, obviously pandering to my possible use to your organization. When I told you I wasn't you didn't even respond. You disregarded me completely as I think you figured I have nothing to offer to your scheme. That said a lot about you and IMCA. Bill Kieskowski -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Members, Recently there were lengthy discussions on MeteoriteCentral about methods of tracking the ownership of meteorites over the years and the availability of a list of meteorites currently undergoing classification. And it was suggested that the IMCA could handle both issues. This is true, those are certainly the kind of programs the IMCA would like to offer to the members. But before you furnish a house, you must build it. The foundations have been set and are solid; now we are creating the teams who will take it from there. 3 team leaders have already been named and if you would like to help them, please go right ahead and contact them. Don Edwards, our newest director, will take care of the Membership, approving applications, handling changes,... Norbert Classen, our IT expert, will figure out ways to improve our website and install there all the features and programs we want to be able to offer to the membership. Ken Newton has now the unenviable task of writing the By-laws, the rules and regulations we will all have to live with for years to come. Incidentally Ken is also our Treasurer, so he is the one you will send your 2005 Membership dues to. It is not too early to think about it, and please remember that it is the IMCA's only source of revenue. The annual membership fee will again be $20, and it will allow you to display the IMCA logo on your website and on Ebay. If you want to take care of it right now, please mail a check to Ken Newton (and in his name), 115 Maple Avenue, N. Lehigh Acres, Florida, 33936-6482 USA. Or go right to Paypal, our account is under: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Finally, we are all very busy people on the Board but, as the President, I certainly will try to keep you better informed by posting updates more often. In the mean time your questions and comments are always welcome. Thank you. Anne M. Black http://www.impactika.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] President, I.M.C.A. Inc. http://www.imca.cc/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/1.XolB/TM ~- The International Meteorite Collectors Association Official Mailing List Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/meteoritecollectorsassociation/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
