[meteorite-list] Vesta and its core.
Ok so if you weren't addressing Angrites in the first place with Vesta I am going to change the subject to Vesta and its core Now you say that Vesta's core volume is roughly 17% and Earth is roughly 17% as well. This being said, at 2.35 A.U. Vesta wouldn’t be able to attain an iron core at the volume at that distance, concluding to you, that Vesta accreted closer to the Sun. Ill refresh your memory what you said in your previous post. If there is only enough available iron at 1.5 AU for Mars to accumulate a core that is only 8% of its volume), how could Vesta, at 2.35 AU, have accumulated enough iron for a core 17.5% of its volume, or 56% of its original, uncratered diameter? Simple Vesta is only 300 miles in diameter; Earth’s core is the size of the moon. Vestas core has been suggested to be at 130 miles. So to obtain iron wouldn’t take much compared to Earth core. My guess is this: Abstract: Geological History of Asteroid 4 Vesta: The “Smallest Terrestrial Planet” Klaus Keil Taking into account the somewhat uncertain radial heterogeneity in 53Mn in the formation regions, these ages can be used to translate the 53Mn-53Cr formation intervals of eucrites into an absolute age for the differentiation of Vesta. Based on measurements of the basaltic eucrite Chervony Kut, for example, an age of 4563.6 ± 0.9 Ma is derived, only a few million years younger than the formation of CAIs (Lugmair and Shukolyukov, 1998). Furthermore, the great antiquity of the eucrites and hence the evidence for melting and differentiation of Vesta on a timescale of a few million years is further supported by the detection of the decay products of other extinct radionuclides such as 26Mg from the decay of 26Al (half-life 0.73 m.y.) (Srinivasan et al., 1999; Nyquist et al., 2001) and 60Ni from the decay of 60Fe (half-life 1.5 m.y.) (see references in Carlson and Lugmair, 2000) Modeling of the thermal history of Vesta by Ghosh and McSween (1998) suggests that heating by 26Al would keep the mantle hot for ~100 m.y., consistent with the younger ages of cumulate eucrites There is convincing geochemical evidence that Vesta experienced a high degree of (or possibly complete) melting that resulted in the formation of a metal core. For example, the depletion in moderately siderophile incompatible elements (e.g., Ni, Co, Mo, W, P) relative to nonsiderophile incompatible elements in HED meteorites suggests metal segregation and hence core formation (e.g., Hewins and Newsom, 1988, and references therein; Righter and Drake, 1997). However, estimates of the amount of metal in Vesta vary widely between 0 and 50 wt% (see references in Ruzicka et al., 1997). For example, Ruzicka et al. (1997) estimated the mass of the core by mass balance from the density of Vesta and the density of the silicate fraction to be between ~0 and 25 wt%, with the best estimate being ~5 wt%. They also suggested that the core is 130 km in radius, the olivine-rich mantle is ~65–220 km thick, the lower crustal diogenite unit is ~12–43 km thick, and the upper crustal eucrite unit is ~23–42 km thick. Dreibus et al. (1997) estimated the mass of the core from their calculated composition of the bulk silicate portion of Vesta (assuming CI abundances for Fe and Ni) to be 21.7 wt%. They also calculated the density of the mantle to be 3400 kg/m3 and, with a core density of 7900 kg/m3, calculated the bulk density of Vesta to be 3800 kg/m3, in good agreement with the astronomically determined values (see above). With a radius of 263 km and a core mass of 21.7 wt%, they calculated a core radius of 123 km. http://www.lpi.usra.edu/books/AsteroidsIII/pdf/3034.pdf 26AI has been brought up in many papers to explain differentiation among parent bodys and not to mention, Vesta. I like your take on how you think Vesta might have formed, but I find it very odd that you have no scientific articles that relate to Vesta and how you think Vesta formed in a different part of the solar system. I am also at loss with your reasoning of Earths, Mars, and Vestas volume to ratio to the core size. Vesta is 300 miles in diameter making the core a mere 100 miles in diameter if that and Earths iron core the size of the moon. But again the core is speculative and we won’t know till Dawn goes by in Aug 2011. But all I know is that 26AI is a great candidate for differentiation to take place with Vesta and not to mention the scientific research to back up how Vesta came to be. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p4340 [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King ofAngritesforsale - AD Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 24 01:28:51 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King ofAngritesfor sale - AD Next message: [meteorite-list] highpoint comet YD cause debate Sat, Aug 14, U Wyoming, Laramie: Rich Murray 2010.07.23
Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King ofAngritesforsale - AD
Hi Sterling, On a friendly note, I must say that I look forward to your posts. While I do learn from them, much of what you say goes above my headI'm not a scientist. I have very strong beliefs/opinions, and often these can get me into hot water on the List. But, that doesn't mean that I don't appreciate the knowledge that many of you have. With respect, Greg Lindh From: sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net To: photoph...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 00:28:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King ofAngritesforsale - AD Actually, I was not addressing the specific question of the origin of this angrite (or any angrite), but the more general problem of the universal assumption that every sizeable body in the solar system currently resides at the same address where it accreted originally. If things move around, it complicates the picture considerably. I used Vesta as an example of a body that can't have accreted in place. If there is only enough available iron at 1.5 AU for Mars to accumulate a core that is only 8% of its volume), how could Vesta, at 2.35 AU, have accumulated enough iron for a core 17.5% of its volume, or 56% of its original, uncratered diameter? The Earth has a core of 17% of its volume, or just a hair less than Vesta. Mercury has a core that's 43% of its volume. Both the Earth and Mercury have acquired part-corers from encounters with impactors though. Iron is a moderately refractory element. It will be vaporized in the solar nebula only relatively close to the Sun. The temperature will drop by the square of the distance out in the protoplanetary disc and iron will soon condense into the materials from which grains will form, get sticky, form particles, accrete, etc. How you gonna get that much iron vaporized out at 2.35 AU? The answer to that question is the same one I gave before: No Way. And for the same reason. If you want to know what should accrete out there, you can compare Vesta to Ceres. Ceres is in essentially the same region as Vesta, at 2.7 AU compared to Vesta's 2.35. AU. Ceres seems to have no core at all, although Ceres is certainly large enough to have differentiated. Ceres likely did accrete in place from rock and ice, as it is the largest body in the asteroid zone, six times the volume of the original, uncratered Vesta. We can identify Lunar and Martian meteorites only because we have composition data gathered by humans and robots. That's the only reason. Without a sample or a set of readings from Mercury, or Venus, or anywhere, the means of reasonable proof are absent. When the Dawn mission gets to Vesta, we will likely be able to nail down the HED identification with that body. I quote the mission parameters: This mission was designed to verify the basaltic nature of Vesta inferred both from its reflectance spectrum and from the composition of the howardite, eucrite and diogenite meteorites believed to have originated on Vesta. Failure to find the expected HED terrain on Vesta would be interesting. Dawn will be the first test of the entire effort to reason out parent bodies. It will provide evidence where they has mostly been speculation. The paper you cite (by Chambers) is a good summary of the problems in planetary formation theory. There are lots of those. I used Vesta as an example because it's an obvious example of the sort of thing he discusses in the section on planetary embryos. Vesta would be at the smallest end of their size range -- not too hard to toss around. Until there is evidence enough to settle the question, it remains speculation. we've had definitions of Science and of Faith on the List recently. Let me add another one more: Speculation. Speculation is what you do while you're waiting for evidence, because there isn't enough evidence yet for proof. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Shawn Alan To: Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 10:33 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King ofAngritesforsale - AD Hello Sterling and Listers, Sterling, thank you for your input about Angrites might have a connection with Mercury by saying Vesta quote un quote.. Vesta did not .form where it is. No Way. Know I am kinda confused with Vesta and your connection or lack of connection to this topic, but I am going to make an educated guess of why you might have suggested Vesta in the first place. This whole topic pulls from Angrites and the possible connections they might have with Mercury. I am going to zero in on one meteorite, NWA 2999 because it seems that there has been more research done on this meteorite compared to other Angrites. One observation of why some scientist feel that NWA 2999 might be
Re: [meteorite-list] Crater Meteorites?
Hi Richard, The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites by R, Norton, Appendix G, Known terrestrial impact craters, identifies the craters that have meteorites found with them. Jim K In a message dated 7/23/2010 6:57:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time, damoc...@yahoo.com writes: With Gebel Kamil widely covered in the news lately, it got me thinking a bit more about crater producing meteorites. My collection contains a number of crater produces and I'll be adding this one to it in the future. Besides Gebel Kamil, Canyon Diablo, Odessa, Campo, Sikhote, Carancas, Henbury all immediately come to mind as collectible meteorites that produced craters. I searched the Meteoritical Bulletin Database for the text keyword crater and got 208 returns as the result. While some of these are only named meteorites, the vast majority of the returns are coming from the Earth Impact Database. This majority is listed as Impact Crater as the type. I'm wondering if there is a list somewhere of meteorites that are associated with craters? That would make it easier to determine if a impact structure also has (collectible) meteorites associated with it. Thanks -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sussex man hit by meteorite
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite craters with meteorites
According to the RASC Handbook (2010)there are 4 craters out of 57 in North America that have meteorites associated with them. This one is not listed: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/169469-Canada-Northern-Alberta-meteor-crater-identified I have no idea if any meteorites were actually found at the site. I posted the above URL to my Facebook page but not everyone here would see it. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Stinky meteorites
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite craters with meteorites
Chris, this crater was highlighted in one of the Meteorite Men episodes, and yes they found meteorites outside the prohibited zone. Maybe Steve or Geoff can provide an update on the status of the export permits for their finds? -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Sat, 7/24/10, Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com wrote: From: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite craters with meteorites To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 7:12 AM According to the RASC Handbook (2010)there are 4 craters out of 57 in North America that have meteorites associated with them. This one is not listed: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/169469-Canada-Northern-Alberta-meteor-crater-identified I have no idea if any meteorites were actually found at the site. I posted the above URL to my Facebook page but not everyone here would see it. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite craters with meteorites
Hi Chris and List, That is an interesting number - 4 out of 57. At one time, all 57 craters had meteorites. One can assume that terrestrialization takes it's toll over time, but to have surviving meteorites at only 4 craters is interesting to me. Without looking at the crater ages, I bet those 4 craters with meteorites are iron meteorites, or recent fresh craters (Sikhote Alin), or both. Unless the rest of the craters are ancient, or were created by friable types of meteorites, there should be some meteorites hiding in some of the other 53 craters. Best regards, MikeG On 7/24/10, Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com wrote: According to the RASC Handbook (2010)there are 4 craters out of 57 in North America that have meteorites associated with them. This one is not listed: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/169469-Canada-Northern-Alberta-meteor-crater-identified I have no idea if any meteorites were actually found at the site. I posted the above URL to my Facebook page but not everyone here would see it. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New crater find in Alberta
According to the RASC Handbook (2010)there are 4 craters out of 57 in North America that have meteorites associated with them. This one is not listed: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/169469-Canada-Northern-Alberta-meteor-crater-identified I have no idea if any meteorites were actually found at the site. I posted the above URL to my Facebook page but not everyone here would see it. Forgot to sign my name. Chris. Spratt Victoria, BC Canada __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] Sussex man hit by meteorite
Hi Tom all, Unfortunately, there are four factors strongly working Against the likelihood of this actually being a meteorite: 1) In the photo the specimen appears to have rust marks - not A possibility for a fresh fall. 2) There appeared to be no matrix vs fusion crusted outer portion 3) It seems most unlikely a meteorite would split in two after hitting A lawn covered field 4) I hear it is extremely common for every manor of thing to be thrown at soccer matches. I would love to be wrong. Michael On 7/24/10 6:58 AM, Tom Randall (KB2SMS) tommy2...@hvc.rr.com wrote: http://bit.ly/aPCqpe --- http://home.roadrunner.com/~kb2sms/ Twitter: Tommytimbertoes __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sussex man hit by meteorite
From the first sentence of the article: Jan Marszel looked up in amazement as he saw a small, dark round object hurtle towards him... I doubt that they would've seen it coming directly at them before it hit, because it is small and travelling at 200mph (or more). It might be a meteorite, but it don't think it arrived as they suggest. Bob Loeffler -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Blood Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 9:26 AM To: Tom Randall (KB2SMS); Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sussex man hit by meteorite Hi Tom all, Unfortunately, there are four factors strongly working Against the likelihood of this actually being a meteorite: 1) In the photo the specimen appears to have rust marks - not A possibility for a fresh fall. 2) There appeared to be no matrix vs fusion crusted outer portion 3) It seems most unlikely a meteorite would split in two after hitting A lawn covered field 4) I hear it is extremely common for every manor of thing to be thrown at soccer matches. I would love to be wrong. Michael On 7/24/10 6:58 AM, Tom Randall (KB2SMS) tommy2...@hvc.rr.com wrote: http://bit.ly/aPCqpe --- http://home.roadrunner.com/~kb2sms/ Twitter: Tommytimbertoes __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3011 - Release Date: 07/24/10 00:36:00 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] Sussex man hit by meteorite
G'Day Tom and List Actually he's a cricket fan, somebody facing off could have picked it up and slammed it with their cricket bat to get it out of the way. Cheers John -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Blood Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 8:26 AM To: Tom Randall (KB2SMS); Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sussex man hit by meteorite Hi Tom all, Unfortunately, there are four factors strongly working Against the likelihood of this actually being a meteorite: 1) In the photo the specimen appears to have rust marks - not A possibility for a fresh fall. 2) There appeared to be no matrix vs fusion crusted outer portion 3) It seems most unlikely a meteorite would split in two after hitting A lawn covered field 4) I hear it is extremely common for every manor of thing to be thrown at soccer matches. I would love to be wrong. Michael On 7/24/10 6:58 AM, Tom Randall (KB2SMS) tommy2...@hvc.rr.com wrote: http://bit.ly/aPCqpe --- http://home.roadrunner.com/~kb2sms/ Twitter: Tommytimbertoes __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] More on meteorite craters
Of the 4 I mentioned which have meteorites associated with them. Three are irons and one is a pallasite (Breham). I believe the original Haviland crater (Brenham) was filled in by the landowner and wasn't an explosive type crater. Now it is listed as an excavated depression. Many of the listed craters have breccia, impact melts and shatter cones associated with them. Which aren't really considered to be meteorites. Chris. Spratt Victoria, BC __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rare Pallasite meteorite sliced
New piece of Springwater Saskatchewan found. Ed Majden Courtenay, B.C. Canada The meteorite is apparently as big as a backpack. full story with photos: http://tinyurl.com/2cmc62q __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] More on meteorite craters
Hi Chris and List, I read somewhere that some scientists think the Chicxulub impactor was a carbonaceous chondrite. I don't recall what their evidence was to support this, but if it's true, such an impactor wouldn't have survived for very long - especially in a cataclysmic event because the after-effects are so intense and devastating. I would imagine that the same would hold true for any large ancient crater like Chicxulub, Sudbury, or Vredefort. The best we can hope for is some kind of remnant impactite, shattercone, etc. Here is a list, sorted by name, of the known impact craters - http://www.unb.ca/passc/ImpactDatabase/CINameSort2.htm I have photos of several impactites from these structures that are shown in my EoM collection here - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 Best regards, MikeG On 7/24/10, Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com wrote: Of the 4 I mentioned which have meteorites associated with them. Three are irons and one is a pallasite (Breham). I believe the original Haviland crater (Brenham) was filled in by the landowner and wasn't an explosive type crater. Now it is listed as an excavated depression. Many of the listed craters have breccia, impact melts and shatter cones associated with them. Which aren't really considered to be meteorites. Chris. Spratt Victoria, BC __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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[meteorite-list] AD/Glorieta full slices from the main mass-last one of the really big ones!
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Re: [meteorite-list] Vesta and its core.
I don't disagree with you (or all the authors you quote) about short-lived isotopes providing the heat needed to differentiate or at least contributing substantially to it, in the case of Vesta and any early-formed body at least 125-150 km or more. But how much iron accumulates has not much to do with how big or massy the body is; they don't attract the iron by gravity. They are limited to the iron content of the mineral grains that are the junk that makes up the smaller bodies they will accrete from. And that depends on the nebular or disc contents at the place where they form. It's like having a bunch of jars of Planet Mix. The iron content varies (mostly) by distance from the Sun. Whether you mix up a big planet or a little one, its contents depend on what was in the jar of Mix originally. (Although volatiles will be lost in the cooking.) The absolute size of the core is beside the point; what tells you about formation materials is the percentage content, which is what the authors you cite are talking about. I am also at loss with your reasoning of Earths, Mars, and Vestas volume to ratio to the core size. There should be more iron content in a planet the closer to the Sun it formed. That's the point. Theoretically, Mercury should be a higher pro- portion of iron core than the other terrestrial planets (it does), Venus less than that, Earth less than that and Mars least of all (it does). But it's complicated by giant impacts donating more iron core materials to the Earth and Mercury. Venus appears to have the same amount of iron core as the Earth, although it's hard to tell because its core seems to still be liquid, not solid. The Earth was smaller than Venus and its core was smaller too... until the Moon Maker body hit us, gave up its iron core to bulk up ours and added to our rock mantle. The Moon formed from the escaped debris. Without that accident, the Earth would have been a smaller planet with an even smaller core. The mantle and crust would have solidified into a single piece. The small core wouldn't generate enough heat for convection and tectonics. A smaller planet wouldn't gather as many volatile-rich late accretors; we wouldn't have oceans, just lakes. We would have a much weaker magnetic field. Atmospheric stripping would become a significant process. Water loss would be much faster. In a word, we would have been a lot more like Mars. A mice place, but not my idea of home. A Mars-like Earth would ruin my day... estimates of the amount of metal in Vesta vary widely between 0 and 50 wt% When estimates vary that widely, it's a clue that we really don't know. However, those same authors come up with an even bigger iron core size than the one I quoted. But we will soon know more. DAWN will not go by Vesta next summer; it will arrive and stay for a year. In that year, we will learn more about Vesta every week than we already know by squinting at it for 200 years. I expect to see a very ancient body, hammered beyond belief, with incredible surface relief, and as dry as our Moon. Of course, surprises are good. I always like it when the Universe surprises me. Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com To: sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 2:21 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Vesta and its core. Ok so if you weren't addressing Angrites in the first place with Vesta I am going to change the subject to Vesta and its core Now you say that Vesta's core volume is roughly 17% and Earth is roughly 17% as well. This being said, at 2.35 A.U. Vesta wouldn’t be able to attain an iron core at the volume at that distance, concluding to you, that Vesta accreted closer to the Sun. Ill refresh your memory what you said in your previous post. If there is only enough available iron at 1.5 AU for Mars to accumulate a core that is only 8% of its volume), how could Vesta, at 2.35 AU, have accumulated enough iron for a core 17.5% of its volume, or 56% of its original, uncratered diameter? Simple Vesta is only 300 miles in diameter; Earth’s core is the size of the moon. Vestas core has been suggested to be at 130 miles. So to obtain iron wouldn’t take much compared to Earth core. My guess is this: Abstract: Geological History of Asteroid 4 Vesta: The “Smallest Terrestrial Planet” Klaus Keil Taking into account the somewhat uncertain radial heterogeneity in 53Mn in the formation regions, these ages can be used to translate the 53Mn-53Cr formation intervals of eucrites into an absolute age for the differentiation of Vesta. Based on measurements of the basaltic eucrite Chervony Kut, for example, an age of 4563.6 ± 0.9 Ma is derived, only a few million years younger than the formation of CAIs (Lugmair and Shukolyukov, 1998). Furthermore, the great antiquity of the eucrites and hence the evidence for melting
Re: [meteorite-list] Stinky meteorites
Hello Chris and List- Another worth noting is NWA 096. When cut, it smelled like bubble gum. This was noticed by myself and quite a few others. Bob On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com wrote: Many CCs have a funny smell Murchison is another one that readily comes to mine. Chris. Spratt __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Stinky meteorites
Hi all, The more weathered areas on my Gebel Kamil iron have a very sour metallic smell. Bob On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Bob Holmes beardown...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Chris and List- Another worth noting is NWA 096. When cut, it smelled like bubble gum. This was noticed by myself and quite a few others. Bob On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com wrote: Many CCs have a funny smell Murchison is another one that readily comes to mine. Chris. Spratt __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Chris Spratt Victoria, BC (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Stinky meteorites
The piece of Murchison that i have has a sweet sugary smell to it. --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! - Original Message From: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, July 24, 2010 7:13:22 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Stinky meteorites Many CCs have a funny smell Murchison is another one that readily comes to mine. Chris. Spratt __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Stinky meteorites
That meteorite is on my wanted list, as is the baby powder chondrite (NWAx). --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! - Original Message From: Bob Holmes beardown...@gmail.com To: cspr...@islandnet.com Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, July 24, 2010 11:06:55 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stinky meteorites Hello Chris and List- Another worth noting is NWA 096. When cut, it smelled like bubble gum. This was noticed by myself and quite a few others. Bob On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com wrote: Many CCs have a funny smell Murchison is another one that readily comes to mine. Chris. Spratt __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Stinky meteorites
I have an end cut of an uNWA chondrite which smelled like urine when cut. --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! - Original Message From: Bob King nightsk...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, July 24, 2010 11:13:23 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stinky meteorites Hi all, The more weathered areas on my Gebel Kamil iron have a very sour metallic smell. Bob On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Bob Holmes beardown...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Chris and List- Another worth noting is NWA 096. When cut, it smelled like bubble gum. This was noticed by myself and quite a few others. Bob On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com wrote: Many CCs have a funny smell Murchison is another one that readily comes to mine. Chris. Spratt __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Stinky meteorites
I have an end cut of an uNWA chondrite which smelled like urine when cut. It might have been on a camel trail? GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Stinky meteorites
Baby powder meteorite, camel pee meteorite? I wonder where those came from? They sound familiar. ;) Baby powder, good... Camel pee, bad... ;) Eric On 7/24/2010 11:51 AM, geo...@aol.com wrote: I have an end cut of an uNWA chondrite which smelled like urine when cut. It might have been on a camel trail? GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Stinky meteorites
I recently received a small baggy that had about 13g of freshly-cut Allende slices and internal fragments. When I first opened the baggy, I stuck my considerable nose into the opening and inhaled. It had a distinct musty odor to it - like some old piece of fabric that had been sitting in an attic or basement for a long time - almost sulfur-like. On 7/24/10, geo...@aol.com geo...@aol.com wrote: I have an end cut of an uNWA chondrite which smelled like urine when cut. It might have been on a camel trail? GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Stinky meteorites
Fortunately, there have been no reports (to my knowledge) of meteorites smelling like this... http://www.mcdonoughvoice.com/news/x1143339414/Another-WIU-Corpse-Flower-bloom Ed - Original Message - From: Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca To: Bob King nightsk...@gmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stinky meteorites I have an end cut of an uNWA chondrite which smelled like urine when cut. --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! - Original Message From: Bob King nightsk...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, July 24, 2010 11:13:23 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stinky meteorites Hi all, The more weathered areas on my Gebel Kamil iron have a very sour metallic smell. Bob On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Bob Holmes beardown...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Chris and List- Another worth noting is NWA 096. When cut, it smelled like bubble gum. This was noticed by myself and quite a few others. Bob On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com wrote: Many CCs have a funny smell Murchison is another one that readily comes to mine. Chris. Spratt __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list === Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15500) http://www.pctools.com/ === === Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15500) http://www.pctools.com/ === __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Stinky (or smelly) meteorites
Hello List, Some of us will remember El Hammami (aka Hamada du Draa), which was broken up into smaller pieces and transported by *camels* into Morocco by nomads. Several of these specimens had a distinct *camel sweat* odor! Best wishes, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Apology
Sorry about the blank message sent from my iPhone. For some it has a habit of doing that without me actually inputting anything.. As for stinky meteorites: I've often read old articles on freshly fallen meteorites that mention the meteroite(s) had a musty or sulphur like smell, when found by observers near the scene of the fall. Never been that lucky myself. I had an old chunk of Canyon Diablo that was well weathered, and smelled fusty according to my dear, now departed, old mother. (Her term not mine). I had to place it into a plastic doggy bag to keep down on the family complaints. That specimen is in good company now, being at the Geological Survey of Canada in Ottawa, alongside the fusty old politicians just down the road. Chris. Spratt Victoria, BC __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: ORGUEIL, Almahata Sitta(2008TC3), Tagish Lake, LOST CITY meteorites ending on eBay!
Hello Listers, I have some great rare and historic meteorites ending soon on eBay and other great items I would like to feature for the start of the new week. Also, keep an eye out for the next few days because Ill be introducing a great historic meteorite that is a must have for every collector to add to their collection. ORGUEIL meteorite 9mg, very rare historic fall-1864! HOAX meteorite. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260638585643ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT TAGISH LAKE meteorite with fusion crust, rare!!! Most amount of nanodiamonds, the diamond that fell from heaven. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260638197532ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT LOST CITY meteorite-1st fall to be photographed in USA, RARE historic fall! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260637779562ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT ORGUEIL, 3mg meteorite, very rare historic fall-1864! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260637775949ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT ALMAHATA SITTA meteorite 2008TC3 LOT with fusion crust! First meteorite to be observed from space before entering Earths atmosphere. MUST HAVE. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260637778682ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT 5mg ORGUEIL meteorite LOT, very rare historic fall-1864! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260637780569ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT TAGISH LAKE meteorite 26mg-nanodiamonds present, rare!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260638200091ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT TAGISH LAKE meteorite 100mg LOT- nanodiamonds, rare!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260626414036ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT For other great items for every budget, please to a look at my eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p4340 Lastly, I would like to say it again, ill be introducing a great historic meteorite fall in the next few days which will be a great add to any collection on eBay. Thank you Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p4340 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ad - The Geology of Mars
Hello list members, I am presenting this wonderful book for offers. It is 'The Geology of Mars' Signed by Thomas Mutch and it comes from the Dr. Alan Rubin collection so it has Rubin's name written inside the cover as well as his autograph. This is a very fine work of 400 pages loaded with good information and images from missions to Mars, mostly Mariner 9 mission. This is a Princeton University Press Hardbound published in 1976 first edition with dust jacket. Please request photographs and make offers off list to etmeteori...@hotmail.com Thank you, E.T. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 5363 UNGROUPED OR BRACHNITE
Hi Tom, I am confused by your post. You memtioned that 5363 is 5400 paired. But NWA5400 is a brachnite like but not a brachnite due to its terrestial osotope. It is a terrestial meteorite or ungrouped. To be a brachnite and nwa5400 paired is a contradiction to me. Anyway I cannot find the 5363 on meteotitical bulletin. Just post my thinking for your consideration. Thanks, Kai __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 5363 UNGROUPED OR BRACHNITE
Kai, NWA 5363 is in fact paired with NWA 5400. Neither one of them are brachinites. They are both brachinite -like and are both ungrouped Achondrites. see link ; http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=nwa+5363sfor=namesants=falls=valids=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allrect=phot=snew=0pnt=Normal%20tablecode=49093 please note that it is provisional but Dr. Jambon has publicly stated that they are paired an email through Zelimir Gabelica as seen below. The following is a copy of this information see below. Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 16:47:14 +0200 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com From: Zelimir Gabelica zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr Subject: [meteorite-list] PAIRINGS TO NWA 5400 Dear List, I just received a message from Albert Jambon regarding the recently debated issue of NWA 5400 and its possible pairings. Albert contacted me (as Ensishim organizer) after several unfruitful attempts and asked me to send this message (below) to the list. I know that forwarding someone else's message does not really meet the meteorite list policy but thought that Albert, who was often cited and/or called in this effervescent discussion, should have the right of answering the concerned protagonists and present his statement about an issue (NWA 4500 pairings) wherein he has been fully involved. I hope the list moderator would allow this post to go. Zelimir -- Now it's enough. I have been out of my office for fieldwork with my students and a friend of mine draw my attention to this mess. Now I am back. Original scientific information does not have to go to the list first but rather to The Nom. Com. and scientific publications. Description of NWA 5363 has been submitted since a long time but not yet voted. However, the situation is such that it appears better to release some information. NWA 5400 is undoubtedly paired with NWA 5363! I received a sample from Mbarek Ait el Caid in February 2008. I received a second sample from another stone in May of the same year, again from Mbarek. I had additional samples from American collectors as well. Copies of my private mails that were posted on this list are authentic (but not the translation). NWA 5363 was submitted with a TKW of 2455g. The second stone has a TKW of 5530 g. As for the others I just don't know. If you want more scientific information, go to the Met. Bull. database. When you know nothing just keep silent. And now according to Greg's writing : I welcome any pairings to NWA 5400, the Earth-Related Meteorite! The more the better for all of us. I have been insulted. My Moroccan partners have been insulted too. We all wait for apology. Albert Jambon Thanks Carl Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax kai ke toronto...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tom, I am confused by your post. You memtioned that 5363 is 5400 paired. But NWA5400 is a brachnite like but not a brachnite due to its terrestial osotope. It is a terrestial meteorite or ungrouped. To be a brachnite and nwa5400 paired is a contradiction to me. Anyway I cannot find the 5363 on meteotitical bulletin. Just post my thinking for your consideration. Thanks, Kai __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Email problems with Gebel Kamil Orders
Dear List, Apparently I did not receive some emails sent by a few people for Gebel Kamil orders. Basically, if you sent me an email and did not receive a reply, it is because I never received your email. (I reply to each and every email, usually within minutes!) I believe this problem was due to the unusual number of emails I was sent over the last two days. I apologize for this, as some of you missed specimens you wanted. Unfortunately, it was beyond my control. If you did not receive a reply from me and still would like a piece, please reply (privately) and CC the following addresses: sales [at] historicmeteorites [dot] com info [at] historicmeteorites [dot] com I will make it up to you! Best regards, Mike Bandli -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorite1 IMCA #5765 -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 5363 UNGROUPED OR BRACHNITE
Hi Kai, I was VERY careful to not say I had any opinion on pairing. How could you read into what I said and say that I said they were paired? Carl's recent post (same thread) includes a letter from Dr. Jambon where he (Dr. Jambon) said they are paired. This is not the first email I have received on the subject. I think those are some real cool shots of NWA 5363 way up close. Did any one like the images? Tom In a message dated 7/24/2010 4:19:38 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, toronto...@gmail.com writes: Hi Tom, I am confused by your post. You memtioned that 5363 is 5400 paired. But NWA5400 is a brachnite like but not a brachnite due to its terrestial osotope. It is a terrestial meteorite or ungrouped. To be a brachnite and nwa5400 paired is a contradiction to me. Anyway I cannot find the 5363 on meteotitical bulletin. Just post my thinking for your consideration. Thanks, Kai __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 5363 UNGROUPED OR BRACHNITE
Kai, This was discussed at length only 6 weeks ago. Let's not do that again. The only way it will be known for certain whether those two meteorites are paired, or not, will be after a comparative study of the Oxygen Isotopes is done on both meteorites. It has been done by Dr. Tony Irving for NWA 5400. He has now been supplied with a fragment of NWA 5363. And we will have to wait until he is done studying this second one. Patiently if at all possible! Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 7/24/2010 4:19:47 PM Mountain Daylight Time, toronto...@gmail.com writes: Hi Tom, I am confused by your post. You memtioned that 5363 is 5400 paired. But NWA5400 is a brachnite like but not a brachnite due to its terrestial osotope. It is a terrestial meteorite or ungrouped. To be a brachnite and nwa5400 paired is a contradiction to me. Anyway I cannot find the 5363 on meteotitical bulletin. Just post my thinking for your consideration. Thanks, Kai __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 5363 UNGROUPED OR BRACHNITE
G'Day Tom, Anne, and List Yes, Tom that one had me stumped. I think you were very clear in what you stated. And Anne, I agree. Patience is a virtue. Cheers John IMCA # 2125 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of starsinthed...@aol.com Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 4:32 PM To: toronto...@gmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 5363 UNGROUPED OR BRACHNITE Hi Kai, I was VERY careful to not say I had any opinion on pairing. How could you read into what I said and say that I said they were paired? Carl's recent post (same thread) includes a letter from Dr. Jambon where he (Dr. Jambon) said they are paired. This is not the first email I have received on the subject. I think those are some real cool shots of NWA 5363 way up close. Did any one like the images? Tom In a message dated 7/24/2010 4:19:38 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, toronto...@gmail.com writes: Hi Tom, I am confused by your post. You memtioned that 5363 is 5400 paired. But NWA5400 is a brachnite like but not a brachnite due to its terrestial osotope. It is a terrestial meteorite or ungrouped. To be a brachnite and nwa5400 paired is a contradiction to me. Anyway I cannot find the 5363 on meteotitical bulletin. Just post my thinking for your consideration. Thanks, Kai __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 5363 UNGROUPED OR BRACHNITE
Anne, Perhaps you did not read my last post (same thread) because I posted an email in it's entirety from Dr. Jambon. Evidently, The corrections to his original classification have been made and In his email he clearly states NWA 5400 is undoubtedly paired with NWA 5363!. This leaves NO room for doubt. It is paired and the time for patience has past. We now know the whole story. He goes on to say that the Nom. Com and Science publications. already have this information. Thank you Dr. Jambon for this great news. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax impact...@aol.com wrote: Kai, This was discussed at length only 6 weeks ago. Let's not do that again. The only way it will be known for certain whether those two meteorites are paired, or not, will be after a comparative study of the Oxygen Isotopes is done on both meteorites. It has been done by Dr. Tony Irving for NWA 5400. He has now been supplied with a fragment of NWA 5363. And we will have to wait until he is done studying this second one. Patiently if at all possible! Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 7/24/2010 4:19:47 PM Mountain Daylight Time, toronto...@gmail.com writes: Hi Tom, I am confused by your post. You memtioned that 5363 is 5400 paired. But NWA5400 is a brachnite like but not a brachnite due to its terrestial osotope. It is a terrestial meteorite or ungrouped. To be a brachnite and nwa5400 paired is a contradiction to me. Anyway I cannot find the 5363 on meteotitical bulletin. Just post my thinking for your consideration. Thanks, Kai __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 5363 UNGROUPED OR BRACHNITE
Carl, Yes, I read your email. Look at the Met. Bulletin, NWA 5363 is still listed as provosional I am sorry but you will have to wait for Dr. Irving to publish the results of the O-Isotopes comparison. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 7/24/2010 6:55:39 PM Mountain Daylight Time, cdtuc...@cox.net writes: Anne, Perhaps you did not read my last post (same thread) because I posted an email in it's entirety from Dr. Jambon. Evidently, The corrections to his original classification have been made and In his email he clearly states NWA 5400 is undoubtedly paired with NWA 5363!. This leaves NO room for doubt. It is paired and the time for patience has past. We now know the whole story. He goes on to say that the Nom. Com and Science publications. already have this information. Thank you Dr. Jambon for this great news. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax impact...@aol.com wrote: Kai, This was discussed at length only 6 weeks ago. Let's not do that again. The only way it will be known for certain whether those two meteorites are paired, or not, will be after a comparative study of the Oxygen Isotopes is done on both meteorites. It has been done by Dr. Tony Irving for NWA 5400. He has now been supplied with a fragment of NWA 5363. And we will have to wait until he is done studying this second one. Patiently if at all possible! Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 7/24/2010 4:19:47 PM Mountain Daylight Time, toronto...@gmail.com writes: Hi Tom, I am confused by your post. You memtioned that 5363 is 5400 paired. But NWA5400 is a brachnite like but not a brachnite due to its terrestial osotope. It is a terrestial meteorite or ungrouped. To be a brachnite and nwa5400 paired is a contradiction to me. Anyway I cannot find the 5363 on meteotitical bulletin. Just post my thinking for your consideration. Thanks, Kai __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 5363 UNGROUPED OR BRACHNITE
Anne, I hate to beat a dead horse .. All due respect here but, am I missing something ? Yes, Dr. Irving is one of our most brilliant Scientist's we all know that but, he is not the only one. I repeat. Dr. jambon says it' so. So it's so. Sorry. Solong. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax impact...@aol.com wrote: Carl, Yes, I read your email. Look at the Met. Bulletin, NWA 5363 is still listed as provosional I am sorry but you will have to wait for Dr. Irving to publish the results of the O-Isotopes comparison. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 7/24/2010 6:55:39 PM Mountain Daylight Time, cdtuc...@cox.net writes: Anne, Perhaps you did not read my last post (same thread) because I posted an email in it's entirety from Dr. Jambon. Evidently, The corrections to his original classification have been made and In his email he clearly states NWA 5400 is undoubtedly paired with NWA 5363!. This leaves NO room for doubt. It is paired and the time for patience has past. We now know the whole story. He goes on to say that the Nom. Com and Science publications. already have this information. Thank you Dr. Jambon for this great news. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax impact...@aol.com wrote: Kai, This was discussed at length only 6 weeks ago. Let's not do that again. The only way it will be known for certain whether those two meteorites are paired, or not, will be after a comparative study of the Oxygen Isotopes is done on both meteorites. It has been done by Dr. Tony Irving for NWA 5400. He has now been supplied with a fragment of NWA 5363. And we will have to wait until he is done studying this second one. Patiently if at all possible! Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 7/24/2010 4:19:47 PM Mountain Daylight Time, toronto...@gmail.com writes: Hi Tom, I am confused by your post. You memtioned that 5363 is 5400 paired. But NWA5400 is a brachnite like but not a brachnite due to its terrestial osotope. It is a terrestial meteorite or ungrouped. To be a brachnite and nwa5400 paired is a contradiction to me. Anyway I cannot find the 5363 on meteotitical bulletin. Just post my thinking for your consideration. Thanks, Kai __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] LOST CITY
Hi Shawn, I am sure it was an oversight, but all your Lost City aeBay ads state it was the first fall to be photographed in the US. However, I think what you meant to say is that it was the first found due to photographing the bolide. The bolide of Pasamonte was photographed in 1933. Best wishes, Michael On 7/24/10 2:40 PM, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Listers, I have some great rare and historic meteorites ending soon on eBay and other great items I would like to feature for the start of the new week. Also, keep an eye out for the next few days because Ill be introducing a great historic meteorite that is a must have for every collector to add to their collection. ORGUEIL meteorite 9mg, very rare historic fall-1864! HOAX meteorite. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260638585643ssPageName=STR K:MESELX:IT TAGISH LAKE meteorite with fusion crust, rare!!! Most amount of nanodiamonds, the diamond that fell from heaven. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260638197532ssPageName=ST RK:MESELX:IT LOST CITY meteorite-1st fall to be photographed in USA, RARE historic fall! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260637779562ssPageName=STR K:MESELX:IT ORGUEIL, 3mg meteorite, very rare historic fall-1864! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260637775949ssPageName=STR K:MESELX:IT ALMAHATA SITTA meteorite 2008TC3 LOT with fusion crust! First meteorite to be observed from space before entering Earths atmosphere. MUST HAVE. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260637778682ssPageName=STR K:MESELX:IT 5mg ORGUEIL meteorite LOT, very rare historic fall-1864! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260637780569ssPageName=STR K:MESELX:IT TAGISH LAKE meteorite 26mg-nanodiamonds present, rare!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260638200091ssPageName=STR K:MESELX:IT TAGISH LAKE meteorite 100mg LOT- nanodiamonds, rare!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260626414036ssPageName=STR K:MESELX:IT For other great items for every budget, please to a look at my eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p43 40 Lastly, I would like to say it again, ill be introducing a great historic meteorite fall in the next few days which will be a great add to any collection on eBay. Thank you Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p43 40 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Stinky meteorites
Hi List...something to addrecently I recieved my best-yet Camel Donga in the mail, appropriately packaged from down under, although the inner wrapping was a generous coil of TP (toilet paper, chemically scented, no less)... Alas! As a mychophile, naturally I smell every new specimen ungo to bless my forays, the small a key character to published and described species. I didn't expect the pungent odor of pretty-stuff to envelop my new complete and awesome eucrite, so I allowed it to sit under the scope over-night, in hopes of no sugar-plums dancing around in the morning. Fortunately, no residudal smell, that I could detect, twelve hours later; yet/and thanks to that shiney crust I hope no terestrial crap happened to it.but it does re-inforce the need for awareness on shipping and packaging. What are we wrapping our specimens in Richard M - Original Message - From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stinky meteorites Baby powder meteorite, camel pee meteorite? I wonder where those came from? They sound familiar. ;) Baby powder, good... Camel pee, bad... ;) Eric On 7/24/2010 11:51 AM, geo...@aol.com wrote: I have an end cut of an uNWA chondrite which smelled like urine when cut. It might have been on a camel trail? GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Stinky meteorites
Hi Richard, What else but TP should be used for a Camel's Donga? Michael On 7/24/10 6:58 PM, Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi List...something to addrecently I recieved my best-yet Camel Donga in the mail, appropriately packaged from down under, although the inner wrapping was a generous coil of TP (toilet paper, chemically scented, no less)... Alas! As a mychophile, naturally I smell every new specimen ungo to bless my forays, the small a key character to published and described species. I didn't expect the pungent odor of pretty-stuff to envelop my new complete and awesome eucrite, so I allowed it to sit under the scope over-night, in hopes of no sugar-plums dancing around in the morning. Fortunately, no residudal smell, that I could detect, twelve hours later; yet/and thanks to that shiney crust I hope no terestrial crap happened to it.but it does re-inforce the need for awareness on shipping and packaging. What are we wrapping our specimens in Richard M - Original Message - From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stinky meteorites Baby powder meteorite, camel pee meteorite? I wonder where those came from? They sound familiar. ;) Baby powder, good... Camel pee, bad... ;) Eric On 7/24/2010 11:51 AM, geo...@aol.com wrote: I have an end cut of an uNWA chondrite which smelled like urine when cut. It might have been on a camel trail? GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 5363 UNGROUPED OR BRACHNITE
I'm a new person...I'm talking meteorites...nothing else. I see a fight for money here. It's obvious to the people who are interested in meteorites for the reason people should be...they are wonderful to look at, learn about, and own..remember? The people about to make a lot of money..or not..don't paint a pretty picture here... Is this what the list is about? On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 9:34 PM, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Anne, I hate to beat a dead horse .. All due respect here but, am I missing something ? Yes, Dr. Irving is one of our most brilliant Scientist's we all know that but, he is not the only one. I repeat. Dr. jambon says it' so. So it's so. Sorry. Solong. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax impact...@aol.com wrote: Carl, Yes, I read your email. Look at the Met. Bulletin, NWA 5363 is still listed as provosional I am sorry but you will have to wait for Dr. Irving to publish the results of the O-Isotopes comparison. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 7/24/2010 6:55:39 PM Mountain Daylight Time, cdtuc...@cox.net writes: Anne, Perhaps you did not read my last post (same thread) because I posted an email in it's entirety from Dr. Jambon. Evidently, The corrections to his original classification have been made and In his email he clearly states NWA 5400 is undoubtedly paired with NWA 5363!. This leaves NO room for doubt. It is paired and the time for patience has past. We now know the whole story. He goes on to say that the Nom. Com and Science publications. already have this information. Thank you Dr. Jambon for this great news. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax impact...@aol.com wrote: Kai, This was discussed at length only 6 weeks ago. Let's not do that again. The only way it will be known for certain whether those two meteorites are paired, or not, will be after a comparative study of the Oxygen Isotopes is done on both meteorites. It has been done by Dr. Tony Irving for NWA 5400. He has now been supplied with a fragment of NWA 5363. And we will have to wait until he is done studying this second one. Patiently if at all possible! Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 7/24/2010 4:19:47 PM Mountain Daylight Time, toronto...@gmail.com writes: Hi Tom, I am confused by your post. You memtioned that 5363 is 5400 paired. But NWA5400 is a brachnite like but not a brachnite due to its terrestial osotope. It is a terrestial meteorite or ungrouped. To be a brachnite and nwa5400 paired is a contradiction to me. Anyway I cannot find the 5363 on meteotitical bulletin. Just post my thinking for your consideration. Thanks, Kai __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 5363 UNGROUPED OR BRACHNITE
It's not really that simple unless I'm missing something. Has Dr. Jambon studied a piece of NWA 5400? The way I see it is that one scientist is now studying BOTH meteorites in a comparative study so on conclusion of Dr. Irving's work he will be able to say with more certainty whether they are paired or not. In all likelihood they probably are but there's no point getting into all this again. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: cdtuc...@cox.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; toronto...@gmail.com; impact...@aol.com; starsinthed...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 5363 UNGROUPED OR BRACHNITE Anne, I hate to beat a dead horse .. All due respect here but, am I missing something ? Yes, Dr. Irving is one of our most brilliant Scientist's we all know that but, he is not the only one. I repeat. Dr. jambon says it' so. So it's so. Sorry. Solong. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax impact...@aol.com wrote: Carl, Yes, I read your email. Look at the Met. Bulletin, NWA 5363 is still listed as provosional I am sorry but you will have to wait for Dr. Irving to publish the results of the O-Isotopes comparison. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 7/24/2010 6:55:39 PM Mountain Daylight Time, cdtuc...@cox.net writes: Anne, Perhaps you did not read my last post (same thread) because I posted an email in it's entirety from Dr. Jambon. Evidently, The corrections to his original classification have been made and In his email he clearly states NWA 5400 is undoubtedly paired with NWA 5363!. This leaves NO room for doubt. It is paired and the time for patience has past. We now know the whole story. He goes on to say that the Nom. Com and Science publications. already have this information. Thank you Dr. Jambon for this great news. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax impact...@aol.com wrote: Kai, This was discussed at length only 6 weeks ago. Let's not do that again. The only way it will be known for certain whether those two meteorites are paired, or not, will be after a comparative study of the Oxygen Isotopes is done on both meteorites. It has been done by Dr. Tony Irving for NWA 5400. He has now been supplied with a fragment of NWA 5363. And we will have to wait until he is done studying this second one. Patiently if at all possible! Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 7/24/2010 4:19:47 PM Mountain Daylight Time, toronto...@gmail.com writes: Hi Tom, I am confused by your post. You memtioned that 5363 is 5400 paired. But NWA5400 is a brachnite like but not a brachnite due to its terrestial osotope. It is a terrestial meteorite or ungrouped. To be a brachnite and nwa5400 paired is a contradiction to me. Anyway I cannot find the 5363 on meteotitical bulletin. Just post my thinking for your consideration. Thanks, Kai __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] LOST CITY-first meteorite fall to be photographed in the USA :)
Hi Michael, Thank you for your insight :) I did some research and found some articles and was able to find an image taken by Mr. Charles M. Brown with his Kodak Brownie . From what I can tell from the image its a photograph of the effect of a meteor in flight showing the smoke tail which can be seen that the image was taken after the fact of the meteor in flight in New Mexico, 1933. Click http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1934PA.42..291N on the link and you can see that the photograph used in the paper shows the meteors smoke tail warping due to winds in the upper atmosphere. That would be an indication that the meteor was out of the frame when the photograph was taken. Also reports said that morning the sky had been covered with clouds in New Mexico. But again I see no evidence of a photograph to show the meteor in the frame like how you can see in Lost City :) Lost City on the other hand is the first meteorite fall to be photographed to actually document the meteor in flight, click on this link and see the difference http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/L/Lost_City_meteorite.html True there has been many meteors photographed but Lost City is the first meteorite fall to be photographed which shows the meteor in flight. A meteorite fall cant be a meteorite fall till its found? I can see what your comment means, but from the image I saw that Mr. Charles M. Brown took with his Kodak Brownie that morning shows no indication of the meteor, only the effect of what a meteor does in flight aka smoke tail where one can see the tail warping due to upper atmosphere winds. The first meteorite fall to be photographed which shows the meteor in flight is Pribram. I would love to get my hands on that stuff. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaySore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p4340 [meteorite-list] LOST CITY Michael Blood mlblood at cox.net Sat Jul 24 21:45:01 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] AD: ORGUEIL, Almahata Sitta(2008TC3), Tagish Lake, LOST CITY meteorites ending on eBay! Next message: [meteorite-list] ad - The Geology of Mars Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi Shawn, I am sure it was an oversight, but all your Lost City aeBay ads state it was the first fall to be photographed in the US. However, I think what you meant to say is that it was the first found due to photographing the bolide. The bolide of Pasamonte was photographed in 1933. Best wishes, Michael On 7/24/10 2:40 PM, Shawn Alan photophlow at yahoo.com wrote: Hello Listers, I have some great rare and historic meteorites ending soon on eBay and other great items I would like to feature for the start of the new week. Also, keep an eye out for the next few days because Ill be introducing a great historic meteorite that is a must have for every collector to add to their collection. ORGUEIL meteorite 9mg, very rare historic fall-1864! HOAX meteorite. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260638585643ssPageName=STR K:MESELX:IT TAGISH LAKE meteorite with fusion crust, rare!!! Most amount of nanodiamonds, the diamond that fell from heaven. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260638197532ssPageName=ST RK:MESELX:IT LOST CITY meteorite-1st fall to be photographed in USA, RARE historic fall! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260637779562ssPageName=STR K:MESELX:IT ORGUEIL, 3mg meteorite, very rare historic fall-1864! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260637775949ssPageName=STR K:MESELX:IT ALMAHATA SITTA meteorite 2008TC3 LOT with fusion crust! First meteorite to be observed from space before entering Earths atmosphere. MUST HAVE. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260637778682ssPageName=STR K:MESELX:IT 5mg ORGUEIL meteorite LOT, very rare historic fall-1864! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260637780569ssPageName=STR K:MESELX:IT TAGISH LAKE meteorite 26mg-nanodiamonds present, rare!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260638200091ssPageName=STR K:MESELX:IT TAGISH LAKE meteorite 100mg LOT- nanodiamonds, rare!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260626414036ssPageName=STR K:MESELX:IT For other great items for every budget, please to a look at my eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p43 40 Lastly, I would like to say it again, ill be introducing a great historic meteorite fall in the next few days which will be a great add to any collection on eBay. Thank you Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p43 40
Re: [meteorite-list] More on meteorite craters
The larger and older a crater is, the less likelihood there are surviving meteorites found. Older is understood owing to weathering. Larger is owing that when such vast amount of kinetic energy gets converted to heat bonds will be sheered at the molecular and atomic level. So very little remains. Be it remembered in the case of Canyon Diablo , which may really be a splintered sister swarm off the meteor crater impactor: It has been estimated somewhere that 99.99% of that impactor was turned into a metallic fog some of which condensed into the spheroids.--Literally vaporized and a very hot vapor at that. Elton from vic Dayton Ohio. PS: The recovery of a single OC micro fragment in the ocean 65my after Chuxilub is unconvincing that it was a meteorite from that event. So let me preempt any suggestion that Chuxilub is a crater with meteorites. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
