Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Meteorites
Wow... That is so far off base from my comments that I am in shock that you would think that. In the future, should you feel I have said something that offended you, please address me PRIVATELY to make sure you even know what I am commenting on. I WAS NOT even talking about your email or did I even see it! Your actions here is another example of you over reacting in such a manner that has driven Tom Phillips from this list. In doing research on meteorites, I came across a documented history of you being very rude and unprofessional on this list, dating back to an incident between you and Mike Farmer over park forest material... I know I have had a few foot in mouth moments, but mine was due to inexperience... what is your excuse? Sorry to bring this up, but since you chose to address me publicly on this, I feel a reply is needed. Should you wish to discuss this misunderstanding in private, I would welcome an email from you to clear the air. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites --- On Fri, 12/3/10, Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net wrote: From: Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Meteorites To: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Cc: Guenther abe.guent...@mnsi.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, December 3, 2010, 2:37 AM Hello GregC, I am currently out of town at the moment so have just read your email regarding hype. You point out Jim Strope's suspension of NWA 998 sales and then someone else offering some for sale, me I presume because I sent an image of Adam and my NWA 998 Main Mass and my email 'joke' of having a few grams of small fragments that the nanosatellites could chew on and make tiny mole holes in it. I in no way offered any For Sale but was asked privately to sell some now but I refused saying I did NOT want to sell any on an emotionally motivated purchase from the upcoming NASA announcement. Maybe you can ask around and find out who if they choose to be known. You should re-think who you claim is pulling some hype, do not forget your King of Angrites is a PAIRING to NWA 2999 and is dwarfed by NWA 4931, the largest of the 2999 group which also has the King crystal sizes that seem to be hype by a particular List member. I actually take offense to your comments made about me and Jim, get a sense of humour and a check the hype comments at the door! Respectfully, Greg Hupe On Dec 2, 2010, at 2:41 PM, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: I have to agree, I think sales hype will be the main factor to any increased prices of Martian meteorites until 100% proof is offered... an example of sales hype - Before the NASA announcement was even made, one person stopped selling a certain martian while another immediately offered some for sale. Reminds me of the old time sales tactics used to create a perceived demand, supply shortage and scarcity while a partner offers to supply those who missed out from the other persons stock. Just using this an an example of how hype can create an artificial increase in cost with good sales planning from people working together. If that time comes that fossils are found in any meteorite, all will jump up in price and demand I think. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites --- On Thu, 12/2/10, Guenther abe.guent...@mnsi.net wrote: From: Guenther abe.guent...@mnsi.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Meteorites To: 'Thunder Stone' stanleygr...@hotmail.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, December 2, 2010, 3:14 PM Good point Greg but since the Mars Rovers haven't found any evidence of life, it would be hugely coincidental for a meteorite from there to have any fossils. If even one meteorite could ever prove to have fossils, regardless where it originated, it would revolutionize this hobby / industry! I would guess that as soon as one proves to have fossils of life beyond a shadow of a doubt, any other secret evidence of ET will rapidly surface. If that is what it takes to know for sure ET exists, I hope I find one soon because I am extremely anxious to know for sure! Abe Guenther -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Thunder Stone Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 1:44 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Martian Meteorites List: I wonder if this will increase the demand (and value) of all Martian Meteorites since they believe possible
Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Meteorites
Hello GregC, I am currently out of town at the moment so have just read your email regarding hype. You point out Jim Strope's suspension of NWA 998 sales and then someone else offering some for sale, me I presume because I sent an image of Adam and my NWA 998 Main Mass and my email 'joke' of having a few grams of small fragments that the nanosatellites could chew on and make tiny mole holes in it. I in no way offered any For Sale but was asked privately to sell some now but I refused saying I did NOT want to sell any on an emotionally motivated purchase from the upcoming NASA announcement. Maybe you can ask around and find out who if they choose to be known. You should re- think who you claim is pulling some hype, do not forget your King of Angrites is a PAIRING to NWA 2999 and is dwarfed by NWA 4931, the largest of the 2999 group which also has the King crystal sizes that seem to be hype by a particular List member. I actually take offense to your comments made about me and Jim, get a sense of humour and a check the hype comments at the door! Respectfully, Greg Hupe On Dec 2, 2010, at 2:41 PM, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: I have to agree, I think sales hype will be the main factor to any increased prices of Martian meteorites until 100% proof is offered... an example of sales hype - Before the NASA announcement was even made, one person stopped selling a certain martian while another immediately offered some for sale. Reminds me of the old time sales tactics used to create a perceived demand, supply shortage and scarcity while a partner offers to supply those who missed out from the other persons stock. Just using this an an example of how hype can create an artificial increase in cost with good sales planning from people working together. If that time comes that fossils are found in any meteorite, all will jump up in price and demand I think. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites --- On Thu, 12/2/10, Guenther abe.guent...@mnsi.net wrote: From: Guenther abe.guent...@mnsi.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Meteorites To: 'Thunder Stone' stanleygr...@hotmail.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, December 2, 2010, 3:14 PM Good point Greg but since the Mars Rovers haven't found any evidence of life, it would be hugely coincidental for a meteorite from there to have any fossils. If even one meteorite could ever prove to have fossils, regardless where it originated, it would revolutionize this hobby / industry! I would guess that as soon as one proves to have fossils of life beyond a shadow of a doubt, any other secret evidence of ET will rapidly surface. If that is what it takes to know for sure ET exists, I hope I find one soon because I am extremely anxious to know for sure! Abe Guenther -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Thunder Stone Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 1:44 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Martian Meteorites List: I wonder if this will increase the demand (and value) of all Martian Meteorites since they believe possible life is within multiple Martian Meteorites. Be interesting to see what happens. Greg S. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - December 3, 2010
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[meteorite-list] Tally of Falls in the Last 10 years
Hello List, Back to this subject. I just created a small webpage where you can play with such kind of statistic: http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/FallsByTimePeriod.aspx All data are from EoM database: http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com Enjoy! Sergey Sergey Vasiliev U Dalnice 2684/1 Prague 5, 155 00 Czech Republic --- http://www.sv-meteorites.com http://impactites.net http://systematic-mineralogy.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tally of Falls in the Last 10 years
Hi Sergey, Thanks a lot for the work you did putting this together. It is easy to take something like this for granted but due to the type of business I'm in I know a bit about what it takes and can therefore appreciate the skill it takes. I have only recently begun this hobby and any tools or resources I can get my hands on is much appreciated. Abe Guenther -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Sergey Vasiliev Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:25 AM To: meteorite-l...@meteoritecentral. Com Subject: [meteorite-list] Tally of Falls in the Last 10 years Hello List, Back to this subject. I just created a small webpage where you can play with such kind of statistic: http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/FallsByTimePeriod.aspx All data are from EoM database: http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com Enjoy! Sergey Sergey Vasiliev U Dalnice 2684/1 Prague 5, 155 00 Czech Republic --- http://www.sv-meteorites.com http://impactites.net http://systematic-mineralogy.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Meteorites
Hi there, Well Phil, we simply don't know it - aaand that's why we have to look for it! I see also a nice side-effect in the press conference by NASA - some advertizing, always necessary to get the budgets passed. Remember - the announcement of the supposed fossil remnants in ALH84001, even by president Clinton - when did it take place? And when started the great Martian renaissance with all these incredible successful orbiters and rovers? And if you keep in mind, that sample-return-mission projected, if it will be realized, will be after the ISS and the space shuttle missions, the most expensive mission, the most costly planetary space-probe ever. Hopefully it will be done. And until then, we have to take potluck with the Martian meteorites we have already. hi Greg Greg, could you please reconcile your differences off-list? Greg H. - I guess Greg C. simply didn't get the joke, because he isn't aware of the funny story of Haag, Zagami and ALH84001. And Greg C. I know that you sometimes support the notion, that we're all in meteorites only for the money. Though the meteorite prices are not endangered by new scientific recoveries. Much more they are endangered, because still some meteoricists and some clerks haven't recognized yet the direct correlation of find rates/availability of meteorites and the legal situation in the countries, they were and shall be found. You can observe already now the step-back and the regress in newly found material due to always new restrictions. Check the bulletins, what for a decline we have the very last 3 years in newly recovered unpaired planetaries. And regarding especially the Martians, I'm not sure how long you're in meteorites, but they already doubled, tripled, quadrupled in price during the last 4 years, because of that. And sooner or later, the collectors, hunters and dealers won't know anymore, how they still should supply the universities and museums further, with affordable, but rare and scientifically significant new materials. And really the least university institutes are in such a likewise comfortable financial situation like e.g. the Smithsonian or London - but nevertheless are urgently wanting to work on such materials. And we all agree, the more scientists have the opportunity to do their research on a meteorite - the better. So Greg C. - you have to appeal with your worries not to Jim or Greg H., but to such people like Dr.Bevan, the successor of al Kathiri, Dr.Chennaoui, Dr.Zuccolotto, Dr.Planche, (or in your country, those who initiated these new BLM-land restrictions) and others, who seem to actively support the ban of private involvement and with that the ban of new meteoritic recoveries.. ..and thus tossing not only the national meteorite research of their countries into a crisis, but global meteoritics too. Thus, in the end they are restricting the freedom of research. They urgently need some enlightenment about that, what they're doing and the consequences, which they are not able to see. I really hope, that this topic will be on the agenda at the next MetSoc meeting in Perth. Because today we have already very often the situation, that the important new recoveries of special meteorites are gladly welcome by all meteorite researchers, but on the other hand and in the same breath some scientists, not so seldom even some, who work on these very meteorites or use the results of the work on these meteorites done by colleagues, claim these very finds to be products of criminal activities and call the finders and those persons involved to bring the stones into the labs and institutional collections criminals. If we don't manage to resolve this pervert schizophrenia - and that immediately - then the meteorite research in that extent and quality, we were used to the last two decades - won't have any future. And Greg C., it is easy to forecast, that absolutely independently from whether E.T.'s car key of his spacecraft will be found in a Martian meteorite or not, that in 5 years we'll have 1000% surcharges on the prices we had the last decade, and not only on Martians but on quite all meteorites - and even more precarious, we won't then have anymore that variety of those new meteorites, which are exceptional and important for meteorite science, if we don't stop and partially reverse that trend. Huh Greg C., simple very little example from yesterday, take that EL4 we're blowing out as our X-mas gratification for the collectors, 10 bucks a gram, still very nice chondrules - in the coming years you simply can forget such a price and such a stone at all. Antarctica isn't really an alternative - in 34 years only 200grams found of such. And else 6 finds from the hot deserts, mainly as a result of the enormous work, the private sector had done. Historically seen - you know it, the two DaGs cost minimum 15 times more, or if you go to the ELs in general - it's not so hefty weathered like the classics Happy Canyon, Yilmia or that stone, with which
Re: [meteorite-list] Tally of Falls in the Last 10 years
Hi Sergey and List, I agree. Thanks for your hard work on the EOM website! I wish I had remembered this source of statistics when I was writing my current article for Meteorite Times. My December article concerns meteorite fall statistics. :) Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 12/3/10, Guenther abe.guent...@mnsi.net wrote: Hi Sergey, Thanks a lot for the work you did putting this together. It is easy to take something like this for granted but due to the type of business I'm in I know a bit about what it takes and can therefore appreciate the skill it takes. I have only recently begun this hobby and any tools or resources I can get my hands on is much appreciated. Abe Guenther -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Sergey Vasiliev Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:25 AM To: meteorite-l...@meteoritecentral. Com Subject: [meteorite-list] Tally of Falls in the Last 10 years Hello List, Back to this subject. I just created a small webpage where you can play with such kind of statistic: http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/FallsByTimePeriod.aspx All data are from EoM database: http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com Enjoy! Sergey Sergey Vasiliev U Dalnice 2684/1 Prague 5, 155 00 Czech Republic --- http://www.sv-meteorites.com http://impactites.net http://systematic-mineralogy.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tally of Falls in the Last 10 years
Ha A similar statement (in Polish ;-( sort by TKW http://www.woreczko.pl/meteorites/falls/f_Falls-TKW.htm sort by type http://www.woreczko.pl/meteorites/falls/f_Falls-classes.htm sort by countrys http://www.woreczko.pl/meteorites/falls/f_Falls-countrys.htm sort by date http://www.woreczko.pl/meteorites/falls/f_Falls-years.htm and more http://www.woreczko.pl/meteorites/falls/Falls-y1800-2000.htm ... Best Regards Woreczko - Original Message - From: Sergey Vasiliev vs.petrov...@gmail.com To: meteorite-l...@meteoritecentral. Com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 3:25 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Tally of Falls in the Last 10 years Hello List, Back to this subject. I just created a small webpage where you can play with such kind of statistic: http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/FallsByTimePeriod.aspx All data are from EoM database: http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com Enjoy! Sergey Sergey Vasiliev U Dalnice 2684/1 Prague 5, 155 00 Czech Republic --- http://www.sv-meteorites.com http://impactites.net http://systematic-mineralogy.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Informacja programu ESET NOD32 Antivirus, wersja bazy sygnatur wirusow 5670 (20101203) __ Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez program ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.pl lub http://www.eset.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Meteorites
Hello Martin and List, As always Martin, you are a true gentleman and a scholar! I appreciate how you get to the point and then go on to explain situations in a thorough manner, Thank You! In my case, I tend to be to the point in a more blunt manner sometimes, especially if I am tapping on an iPhone. As for GregC and his denial of directing his comments at Jim and I, we on this List are not stupid, just another upsetting insult. I might be getting older, slower, blinder, less patient, but sure as heck not getting dumber! To say he didn't even read my joke email is a poor toss out there. As for List archives, they are a fun read aren't they? You will see a couple squabbles over the years, but you will also see infinately more new meteorites being announced and discussed by the very same folks who compete AND work together. Good, healthy competition even with occasion squabbles is a good thing!! Keep up the excellent work, Martin and Stefan! The world is a better place because of contributions by you and several others, and a lot better explained! ;-) Best Regards, Greg Hupe On Dec 3, 2010, at 9:34 AM, Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: Hi there, Well Phil, we simply don't know it - aaand that's why we have to look for it! I see also a nice side-effect in the press conference by NASA - some advertizing, always necessary to get the budgets passed. Remember - the announcement of the supposed fossil remnants in ALH84001, even by president Clinton - when did it take place? And when started the great Martian renaissance with all these incredible successful orbiters and rovers? And if you keep in mind, that sample-return-mission projected, if it will be realized, will be after the ISS and the space shuttle missions, the most expensive mission, the most costly planetary space-probe ever. Hopefully it will be done. And until then, we have to take potluck with the Martian meteorites we have already. hi Greg Greg, could you please reconcile your differences off-list? Greg H. - I guess Greg C. simply didn't get the joke, because he isn't aware of the funny story of Haag, Zagami and ALH84001. And Greg C. I know that you sometimes support the notion, that we're all in meteorites only for the money. Though the meteorite prices are not endangered by new scientific recoveries. Much more they are endangered, because still some meteoricists and some clerks haven't recognized yet the direct correlation of find rates/availability of meteorites and the legal situation in the countries, they were and shall be found. You can observe already now the step-back and the regress in newly found material due to always new restrictions. Check the bulletins, what for a decline we have the very last 3 years in newly recovered unpaired planetaries. And regarding especially the Martians, I'm not sure how long you're in meteorites, but they already doubled, tripled, quadrupled in price during the last 4 years, because of that. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Meteorites
GregC, I still take exception with what appears to be your accusation that 'some' people were conspiring to create a supply and demand sales gimmick for NWA 998. I guess Jim and Adam can decide if they feel the same way. Best Regards, Greg Hupe On Dec 3, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: I think it was simple misunderstanding. All my post was intended to point out is that the NASA announcement was not going to increase prices, but if there was an increase it would likely be due to smart marketing. As for comments directed you (Greg H) as I said in my email sorry if you think they were but they were not. THIS is what I was commenting on... Jim, I can understand the need to suspend sales of NWA 998 until further notice. I can hear the researchers and paleontologists chanting Drill Baby, Drill as they are knocking down your door to get at some of those micro-fossils. Astrobiologists will be scampering for pieces once they figure out how fossil-rich this Nakhlite is. Too bad there are a lot of posers claiming to have found alien life forms to gain press, fame and money. It will cheapen the experience when the real deal is studied more, accepted and announced following proper protocol. As for me, several requests for pieces of NWA 998 have come in. Sorry, I only have a few milligrams left other than the main mass which will not be cut again. Best Regards, Adam Listees... Sales of my remaining specimens of NWA 998 have been suspended until further notice. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com/; Right after these two posts from Adam - one from 6:22 and the other from 19 minutes later... It must have leaked out that NWA 998 is the most fossil-rich meteorite ever found or perhaps they found some more in other Nahklites. http://skymania.com/wp/2010/04/new-meteorite-clues-to-life-on- mars.html It will be interesting to hear what the big boys have to say. Adam Many believe that extraterrestrial proof of life will come this year by way of Martian Nahklite meteorites. http://skymania.com/wp/2010/01/proof-of-martians-will-come-this-year.html Maybe NASA is getting the jump on all of the recent posers who are making similar claims. Happy Hunting, Adam So as you can see, YOU (GregH) were not even thought about. Last Im going to say on this. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites --- On Fri, 12/3/10, Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Meteorites To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, December 3, 2010, 10:34 AM Hi there, Well Phil, we simply don't know it - aaand that's why we have to look for it! I see also a nice side-effect in the press conference by NASA - some advertizing, always necessary to get the budgets passed. Remember - the announcement of the supposed fossil remnants in ALH84001, even by president Clinton - when did it take place? And when started the great Martian renaissance with all these incredible successful orbiters and rovers? And if you keep in mind, that sample-return-mission projected, if it will be realized, will be after the ISS and the space shuttle missions, the most expensive mission, the most costly planetary space-probe ever. Hopefully it will be done. And until then, we have to take potluck with the Martian meteorites we have already. hi Greg Greg, could you please reconcile your differences off-list? Greg H. - I guess Greg C. simply didn't get the joke, because he isn't aware of the funny story of Haag, Zagami and ALH84001. And Greg C. I know that you sometimes support the notion, that we're all in meteorites only for the money. Though the meteorite prices are not endangered by new scientific recoveries. Much more they are endangered, because still some meteoricists and some clerks haven't recognized yet the direct correlation of find rates/availability of meteorites and the legal situation in the countries, they were and shall be found. You can observe already now the step-back and the regress in newly found material due to always new restrictions. Check the bulletins, what for a decline we have the very last 3 years in newly recovered unpaired planetaries. And regarding especially the Martians, I'm not sure how long you're in meteorites, but they already doubled, tripled, quadrupled in price during the last 4 years, because of that. And sooner or later, the collectors, hunters and dealers won't know anymore, how they still should supply the universities and museums further, with affordable, but rare and scientifically significant new materials. And really the least university institutes are in such a likewise comfortable financial situation like e.g. the
[meteorite-list] If not for bad luck.....
Hi, Over the last 2 months my meteorite hunting has taken a back seat to a serious back injury. Just as it was starting to feel better, I met this guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7SGFP0Z8a0 -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] If not for bad luck.....
Hey Rubin, Talk about adding insult to 'back' injury. Glad you're wound is getting better. Don't know what to tell you on the back issue others than, Keep on Truckin', that's what I've been doing with my pain in the back the last few years (herniated disk). :-/ Best Regards, Greg Hupe On Dec 3, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Over the last 2 months my meteorite hunting has taken a back seat to a serious back injury. Just as it was starting to feel better, I met this guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7SGFP0Z8a0 -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] If not for bad luck.....
Those spider bites are no joke. One of my neighbor's legs is entirely scarred. He waited a long time before going into the hospital and the damage was much more sever. I think he even had to have skin graphs. He is a big guy but is definitely afraid of any spiders now, especcially brown rectums. Take Care, Adam - Original Message From: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 11:54:22 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] If not for bad luck. Hi, Over the last 2 months my meteorite hunting has taken a back seat to a serious back injury. Just as it was starting to feel better, I met this guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7SGFP0Z8a0 -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] If not for bad luck.....
Meteorites and bad backs must go together... I partially separated my C3 and C4 vertebrae several years ago that took me out of the area of work I always did (mechanic and construction) My stepdad was bit by a recluse and they actually had to cut some skin and meat away... they are nasty spiders! Glad your healing well. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites --- On Fri, 12/3/10, Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net wrote: From: Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] If not for bad luck. To: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, December 3, 2010, 3:14 PM Hey Rubin, Talk about adding insult to 'back' injury. Glad you're wound is getting better. Don't know what to tell you on the back issue others than, Keep on Truckin', that's what I've been doing with my pain in the back the last few years (herniated disk). :-/ Best Regards, Greg Hupe On Dec 3, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Over the last 2 months my meteorite hunting has taken a back seat to a serious back injury. Just as it was starting to feel better, I met this guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7SGFP0Z8a0 --Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] re Martian Meteorites
Interesting comments. I assume that the name KING OF ALL ANGRITES was bestowed with no thought of sales hype in mind. I don't need to sell any NWA 998. I don't care if I never sell another gram. I suspended sales more of a joke than anything. Private emails to me confirmed that most list members got the joke and did not view it as a conspiracy between Adam and I. I know what is going on behind the scenes with NWA 998 as I have made some of the donations to science. I am happy to sit here with it all day long. It does not take up much room in the safe deposit box and it sure doesn't eat much. Have a nice day all and be sure to stay tuned to my next sales suspension. Next week I may suspend sales of Murchison pending upcoming breaking news. :-) (It's a joke people!!!) Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ I think it was simple misunderstanding. All my post was intended to point out is that the NASA announcement was not going to increase prices, but if there was an increase it would likely be due to smart marketing. As for comments directed you (Greg H) as I said in my email sorry if you think they were but they were not. THIS is what I was commenting on... Jim, I can understand the need to suspend sales of NWA 998 until further notice. I can hear the researchers and paleontologists chanting Drill Baby, Drill as they are knocking down your door to get at some of those micro-fossils. Astrobiologists will be scampering for pieces once they figure out how fossil-rich this Nakhlite is. Too bad there are a lot of posers claiming to have found alien life forms to gain press, fame and money. It will cheapen the experience when the real deal is studied more, accepted and announced following proper protocol. As for me, several requests for pieces of NWA 998 have come in. Sorry, I only have a few milligrams left other than the main mass which will not be cut again. Best Regards, Adam Listees... Sales of my remaining specimens of NWA 998 have been suspended until further notice. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com/; Right after these two posts from Adam - one from 6:22 and the other from 19 minutes later... It must have leaked out that NWA 998 is the most fossil-rich meteorite ever found or perhaps they found some more in other Nahklites. http://skymania.com/wp/2010/04/new-meteorite-clues-to-life-on-mars.html It will be interesting to hear what the big boys have to say. Adam Many believe that extraterrestrial proof of life will come this year by way of Martian Nahklite meteorites. http://skymania.com/wp/2010/01/proof-of-martians-will-come-this-year.html Maybe NASA is getting the jump on all of the recent posers who are making similar claims. Happy Hunting, Adam So as you can see, YOU (GregH) were not even thought about. Last Im going to say on this. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] If not for bad luck.....
Hi Greg, Strangely, I have never had back problems Just all the sudden one day I couldn't move. On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net wrote: Hey Rubin, Talk about adding insult to 'back' injury. Glad you're wound is getting better. Don't know what to tell you on the back issue others than, Keep on Truckin', that's what I've been doing with my pain in the back the last few years (herniated disk). :-/ Best Regards, Greg Hupe On Dec 3, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Over the last 2 months my meteorite hunting has taken a back seat to a serious back injury. Just as it was starting to feel better, I met this guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7SGFP0Z8a0 -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6291 and comments about it being The King of Angrites
In thought of hype and due to recent comments I gathered a few stats and info on angrites... NWA 6291 and why it is The King of angrites Yes, it is paired with the NWA 2999 grouping which in itself it totally unique to the angrite group. Thats nothing to knock, its very neat. There is even a chance its from Mercury, however that is disputed. That said, NWA 6291 is so different from what it is paired to, even one of the people who likely have more experience with angrites then anyone else on this planet publicly questioned the findings of a person who they take material to themselves - the same person that did the original work on 2999 and several of its pairings. The bottom line, its paired, but so unique to an already unique group, many questioned its actual pairing! It has 2cm pure anorthite crystals which when sliced are translucent just like a pallasite would be... to date, I have not seen ANY other angrite that has yielded translucent slices of pure anorthite when sliced to 2.5mm thick. If you have, I challenge ANYONE to share photos of a translucent anorthite angrite slice. Some Angrite stats taken from a recent ebay listing CURRENTLY THERE ARE 12 KNOWN ANGRITES AND A TOTAL KNOWN WEIGHT OF LESS THAN 50 POUNDS. D’ORBIGNY IS NOT ONLY THE LARGEST OF ALL ANGRITES BUT ALSO REPRESENTS 75% OF ALL ANGRITE MATERIAL EVER FOUND. TO THIS DAY ONLY 12 HAVE BEEN FOUND WORLDWIDE. 3 OF THESE 12 WERE FOUND IN ANTARCTICA AND CANNOT BE PRIVATELY COLLECTED OR OWNED. keeping those stats in mind, while NWA 6291 may not be the largest angrite known, or even the largest of the pairings, it is unique in appearance to an already unique group in the angrite class. Where did I come up with the name - The King of angrites? I had about 15 people email me when I first started showing pictures of translucent slices refer to it as that or the mother of angrites I did not coin the term, just picked up on what others were saying to me. My offering of NWA 6291 brought the price of angrites from $300 plus per gram down to where people were offering angrite material at $75 per gram. When one small stone of just 235g can affect price that substantially, its special. That said, Here is some of Tom Phillips awesome work with a thin section of NWA 6291 http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/A034-2.jpg http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/A031.jpg http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/1159-1.jpg http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/1148-1.jpg and also a thin section for sale from the same piece that was used to make the section Tom had. (full of pure anorthite crystals!) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=390266520436ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT Hope everyone is having a good day! Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites --- On Fri, 12/3/10, Jim Strope nwa...@comcast.net wrote: From: Jim Strope nwa...@comcast.net Subject: [meteorite-list] re Martian Meteorites To: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, December 3, 2010, 3:28 PM Interesting comments. I assume that the name KING OF ALL ANGRITES was bestowed with no thought of sales hype in mind. I don't need to sell any NWA 998. I don't care if I never sell another gram. I suspended sales more of a joke than anything. Private emails to me confirmed that most list members got the joke and did not view it as a conspiracy between Adam and I. I know what is going on behind the scenes with NWA 998 as I have made some of the donations to science. I am happy to sit here with it all day long. It does not take up much room in the safe deposit box and it sure doesn't eat much. Have a nice day all and be sure to stay tuned to my next sales suspension. Next week I may suspend sales of Murchison pending upcoming breaking news. :-) (It's a joke people!!!) Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ I think it was simple misunderstanding. All my post was intended to point out is that the NASA announcement was not going to increase prices, but if there was an increase it would likely be due to smart marketing. As for comments directed you (Greg H) as I said in my email sorry if you think they were but they were not. THIS is what I was commenting on... Jim, I can understand the need to suspend sales of NWA 998 until further notice. I can hear the researchers and paleontologists chanting Drill Baby, Drill as they are knocking down your door to get at some of those micro-fossils. Astrobiologists will be scampering for pieces once they figure out how fossil-rich this Nakhlite is. Too bad there are a lot of posers claiming to have found alien life forms to gain press, fame and money. It will cheapen the
Re: [meteorite-list] If not for bad luck.....
Rubin: Sorry to hear the bad news - I hope you get better soon; and as to back injuries... please save any surgery until a last...last...very last resort. My wife has had three surgeries on her back and it has been an absolute nightmare. I sure it works for some... but I would certainly try all other methods first. Greg S. Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 12:54:22 -0700 From: mrmeteor...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] If not for bad luck. Hi, Over the last 2 months my meteorite hunting has taken a back seat to a serious back injury. Just as it was starting to feel better, I met this guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7SGFP0Z8a0 -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] If not for bad luck.....
I meant to write Brown Recluse not Brown Rectums however both would scare me. I apologize for this error, darn spell check. Adam - Original Message From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 12:25:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] If not for bad luck. Those spider bites are no joke. One of my neighbor's legs is entirely scarred. He waited a long time before going into the hospital and the damage was much more sever. I think he even had to have skin graphs. He is a big guy but is definitely afraid of any spiders now, especcially brown rectums. Take Care, Adam - Original Message From: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 11:54:22 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] If not for bad luck. Hi, Over the last 2 months my meteorite hunting has taken a back seat to a serious back injury. Just as it was starting to feel better, I met this guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7SGFP0Z8a0 -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] If not for bad luck.....
I'm not to crazy about brown rectums myself. :D Nasty! Saw an spider infested vacation house in a island in Louisiana On Billy the Exterminator the other night. Full of those brown recluses and other varieties. Carl2 Those spider bites are no joke. One of my neighbor's legs is entirely scarred. He waited a long time before going into the hospital and the damage was much more sever. I think he even had to have skin graphs. He is a big guy but is definitely afraid of any spiders now, especcially brown rectums... __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] If not for bad luck.....
Ruben I have to agree with Greg. My wife had back surgery at Barrow Neurological Institute by a world renowned surgeon about 9 years ago. She was told to come back in a year and he would re-evaluate, she was told that if he operated again it might help but probably wouldn't. She was told to live with it. She has now been on Morphine for bout 8 years and manages OK Mr Hupe, as far as rectums are concerned I've always been afraid of them regardless of their color. LOL Orrin LaRue Surprise, Arizona On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: Rubin: Sorry to hear the bad news - I hope you get better soon; and as to back injuries... please save any surgery until a last...last...very last resort. My wife has had three surgeries on her back and it has been an absolute nightmare. I sure it works for some... but I would certainly try all other methods first. Greg S. Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 12:54:22 -0700 From: mrmeteor...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] If not for bad luck. Hi, Over the last 2 months my meteorite hunting has taken a back seat to a serious back injury. Just as it was starting to feel better, I met this guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7SGFP0Z8a0 -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] If not for bad luck.....
Hi Ruben Strangely, I have never had back problems Just all the sudden oneday I couldn't move. That what you get trying to lift that 327 lb Glorieta Meteorite without help. :) Sonny -Original Message- From: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com To: Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, Dec 3, 2010 7:36 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] If not for bad luck. Hi Greg,Strangely, I have never had back problems Just all the sudden oneday I couldn't move.On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net wrote: Hey Rubin, Talk about adding insult to 'back' injury. Glad you're wound is getting better. Don't know what to tell you on the back issue others than, Keep on Truckin', that's what I've been doing with my pain in the back the last few years (herniated disk). :-/ Best Regards, Greg Hupe On Dec 3, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Over the last 2 months my meteorite hunting has taken a back seat to a serious back injury. Just as it was starting to feel better, I met this guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7SGFP0Z8a0 -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list-- Rock On!Ruben GarciaWebsite: http://www.mr-meteorite.netArticles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u__Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.htmlMeteorite-list mailing listmeteorite-l...@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/li stinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] If not for bad luck.....
Try falling out of trees and see what that does to your neck and back. Chris Spratt (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] If not for bad luck.....
Meteorites have helped my back. Before meteorites, my wallet was swollen with heavy cash that was a burden to carry around. Now, thanks to meteorites, my wallet is bare and light as a feather. I feel as if a heavy weight has been removed from me and my spine is like an 18 year old again. -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 12/3/10, wahlpe...@aol.com wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: Hi Ruben Strangely, I have never had back problems Just all the sudden oneday I couldn't move. That what you get trying to lift that 327 lb Glorieta Meteorite without help. :) Sonny -Original Message- From: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com To: Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, Dec 3, 2010 7:36 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] If not for bad luck. Hi Greg,Strangely, I have never had back problems Just all the sudden oneday I couldn't move.On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net wrote: Hey Rubin, Talk about adding insult to 'back' injury. Glad you're wound is getting better. Don't know what to tell you on the back issue others than, Keep on Truckin', that's what I've been doing with my pain in the back the last few years (herniated disk). :-/ Best Regards, Greg Hupe On Dec 3, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Over the last 2 months my meteorite hunting has taken a back seat to a serious back injury. Just as it was starting to feel better, I met this guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7SGFP0Z8a0 -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list-- Rock On!Ruben GarciaWebsite: http://www.mr-meteorite.netArticles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u__Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.htmlMeteorite-list mailing listmeteorite-l...@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/li stinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] If not for bad luck.....
Reminds me of an aviation adage. All of the fellow pilots on this list will know this one by heart and by bank account... How do you make a million dollars in aviation? Start with 10 million Here's to healthy backs, rapid recovery from spider bites, huge meteorite collections and full wallets... -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Fri, 12/3/10, Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] If not for bad luck. To: wahlpe...@aol.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, December 3, 2010, 2:55 PM Meteorites have helped my back. Before meteorites, my wallet was swollen with heavy cash that was a burden to carry around. Now, thanks to meteorites, my wallet is bare and light as a feather. I feel as if a heavy weight has been removed from me and my spine is like an 18 year old again. -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 12/3/10, wahlpe...@aol.com wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: Hi Ruben Strangely, I have never had back problems Just all the sudden oneday I couldn't move. That what you get trying to lift that 327 lb Glorieta Meteorite without help. :) Sonny -Original Message- From: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com To: Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, Dec 3, 2010 7:36 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] If not for bad luck. Hi Greg,Strangely, I have never had back problems Just all the sudden oneday I couldn't move.On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net wrote: Hey Rubin, Talk about adding insult to 'back' injury. Glad you're wound is getting better. Don't know what to tell you on the back issue others than, Keep on Truckin', that's what I've been doing with my pain in the back the last few years (herniated disk). :-/ Best Regards, Greg Hupe On Dec 3, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Over the last 2 months my meteorite hunting has taken a back seat to a serious back injury. Just as it was starting to feel better, I met this guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7SGFP0Z8a0 -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list-- Rock On!Ruben GarciaWebsite: http://www.mr-meteorite.netArticles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u__Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.htmlMeteorite-list mailing listmeteorite-l...@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/li stinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Minor planet (149243) Dorothynorton
Hi All, A little good news to share with the list on a Friday afternoon: The following citation is from MPC 71351 (149243) Dorothynorton = 2002 RL239 Dorothy S. Norton (b. 1945) is a scientific illustrator specializing in astronomy, geology and paleontology. Her illustrations have appeared in the National Geographic magazine, the popular meteorite book Rocks from Space and Ice Age Mammals of North America. - - - - - I thought I sent a message about Dorothy's namesake to the List a few months ago when her citation became official, but it apparently never appeared. As I wrote Dorothy back in July, it is a member of Main Belt I, and has a size somewhere between 1.2 and 2.2 km (the uncertainty driven by the range of possible reflectivities). If the asteroid were spherical (which of course, it isn't), it would have a volume in the range of 0.9-5.5 billion cubic meters. For fun, if you assume an ordinary chondrite bulk density of ~3.1 g/cm^3, that's a mass somewhere in the range of 2.8 to 17 billion metric tons. (That's quite a lot of meteorites!) To see what the orbit of Dorothy's asteroid looks like in 3D, use the following link: http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=149243;orb=1;cov=0;log=0;cad=0#orb (It takes a little while for the Java script to load.) The next close approach to earth will be in late January 2011, at a distance of about 1.08 a.u., which will be its closest approach since 2004. Cheers! Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Minor planet (149243) Dorothynorton
Welcome to the club. Chris (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Minor planet (149243) Dorothynorton
AWESOME. I could not think of a nicer person to get an honor such as this, congrats Dorothy! Sincere congratulations, Dorothy! An honor well deserved!!! -- (163800) Richardnorton = 2003 QS69 Minor planet (149243) Dorothynorton -- Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Minor planet (149243) Dorothynorton
Rob: Thanks for sharing the news and congratulations to Dorothy Norton. Greg S. Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 14:17:10 -0800 From: robert.d.mat...@saic.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Minor planet (149243) Dorothynorton Hi All, A little good news to share with the list on a Friday afternoon: The following citation is from MPC 71351 (149243) Dorothynorton = 2002 RL239 Dorothy S. Norton (b. 1945) is a scientific illustrator specializing in astronomy, geology and paleontology. Her illustrations have appeared in the National Geographic magazine, the popular meteorite book Rocks from Space and Ice Age Mammals of North America. - - - - - I thought I sent a message about Dorothy's namesake to the List a few months ago when her citation became official, but it apparently never appeared. As I wrote Dorothy back in July, it is a member of Main Belt I, and has a size somewhere between 1.2 and 2.2 km (the uncertainty driven by the range of possible reflectivities). If the asteroid were spherical (which of course, it isn't), it would have a volume in the range of 0.9-5.5 billion cubic meters. For fun, if you assume an ordinary chondrite bulk density of ~3.1 g/cm^3, that's a mass somewhere in the range of 2.8 to 17 billion metric tons. (That's quite a lot of meteorites!) To see what the orbit of Dorothy's asteroid looks like in 3D, use the following link: http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=149243;orb=1;cov=0;log=0;cad=0#orb (It takes a little while for the Java script to load.) The next close approach to earth will be in late January 2011, at a distance of about 1.08 a.u., which will be its closest approach since 2004. Cheers! Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dawn Journal - November 30, 2010
http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/journal_11_30_10.asp Dawn Journal Dr. Marc Rayman November 30, 2010 Dear Dawnizens of the Solar System, Dawn is maintaining its smooth and steady course through the solar system as it gradually closes in on Vesta. With the utmost patience and persistence, it continues thrusting with its ion propulsion system, heading toward its July rendezvous with the second most massive member of the main asteroid belt. Even as the spacecraft climbs farther from the sun, Earth's orbit is beginning to bring the planet closer to the probe. Having thrust for two-thirds of its time in space, Dawn has now achieved the velocity equivalent of about 5.5 kilometers per second (more than 12,000 miles per hour). We have seen before that this does not represent the /actual/ change in speed, but it is still a very useful measure of the effect of the thrusting. Although it has long since surpassed the record for propulsive change in velocity, Dawn is only now at the halfway point in the planned profile of thrusting for its ambitious eight-year expedition. By the time it completes its mission at dwarf planet Ceres (the asteroid belt's most massive resident) in 2015, it will have accomplished twice the effective velocity change it has achieved so far. At the beginning of this month, mission controllers installed new parameters in the software used to control the spacecraft's orientation (which engineers refer to as attitude) in the zero-gravity conditions of spaceflight. The attitude control system has four methods of keeping Dawn stable or turning to point in a new direction. When the spacecraft is not thrusting with the ion propulsion system, it has two techniques: it can rely on its reaction wheels or on its reaction control system. The wheels are gyroscope-like devices which, when electrically spun faster or slower, rotate (or stop the rotation of) the spacecraft. As we saw early last year, the reaction wheels alone are not sufficient, so when they are in operation, the reaction control jets also are used, although only occasionally. (The jets also are known as thrusters, nomenclature used in previous logs, but to avoid confusion with the ion thrusters in this discussion, we will refer to them only as jets.) The conventional rocket propellant hydrazine is fired through the jets to impart a small force to the ship, causing it to turn or to stop turning. Not content simply to coast through the solar system, as most interplanetary probes do, Dawn devotes the majority of the time to using one of its ion thrusters to change its course, constantly applying a light pressure to its orbit to bring it closer and closer to that of its destination. In addition to accelerating the ship, an ion thruster can be used to rotate it by slightly changing the angle of the thrust. This provides the attitude control system two other means of control when the spacecraft is in powered flight: it can use either the thruster plus the wheels (again with the occasional help of the reaction control system) or the thruster plus the more frequent use of the jets. Over the summer, engineers powered the reaction wheels off, preserving them for use in orbit around Vesta and Ceres. The reaction control system took over quite smoothly and has been keeping the craft stable ever since, most of the time in concert with the ion propulsion system. Even before deciding to deactivate the wheels for the rest of the interplanetary phases of the mission, engineers began working on a technique to use the hydrazine more efficiently, ensuring that the supply would last to the end of the long journey. When it left Earth more than three years ago, Dawn carried 45.6 kilograms (101 pounds) of hydrazine. It still has more than 38 kilograms (nearly 84 pounds) onboard, and frugal operators want to continue to use the precious resource sparingly. They devised a means to reduce the rate of propellant consumption when the reaction control system is the primary control method. (The expenditure of hydrazine during ion thrusting was already so low that there was no need for an improvement in that control mode.) The new control parameters were finalized after extensive analysis and simulation at Orbital Sciences Corporation and JPL. Without needing to change the software, operators radioed the values to Dawn in October and timed them to go into effect on Nov. 1 during the normal weekly hiatus in thrusting (and thus when attitude control is reliant exclusively on the jets) to point the main antenna to Earth. Thanks to this successful upgrade, the system now uses only about one-eighth as much hydrazine during those periods that it is holding steady and not applying ion thrust. To rotate from one attitude to another requires firing some jets to start the huge ship (the largest NASA has ever sent on an interplanetary voyage) turning and then others to stop it. To achieve a further savings in the hydrazine, controllers reduced the
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: If not for bad luck...
On Dec 3, 2010, at 1:03 PM, bernd.pa...@paulinet.de wrote: Welcome to the HD* club! ;-) *herniated disk L3-L4 here in Germany, charter member: L4-L5 in 1978. I've been living with constant pain ever since. Luckily its a dull, low-level pain that you learn to tune out. Every once in a while I'll tweak it real bad and become debilitated for a spell - this usually occurs after prolonged periods of relative inactivity. The key, at least for me is to stay active on a regular basis. Surfing does that for me. Meteorite hunting sounds like a great way to stay active as long as you stay away from nasty spiders and lifting 327 lb Glorieta Mtn irons by yourself. gary Bernd Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: November 29 - December 3, 2010
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES November 29 - December 3, 2010 o Nanedi Valles (29 November 2010) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20101129a o Solis Planum (30 November 2010) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20101130a o Pavonis Mons (01 December 2010) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20101201a o Channel (02 December 2010) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20101202a o Channel (03 December 2010) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20101203a All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: If not for bad luck...
L4-5 /L5-S1. discectomies---one the result of a several hundred pound gibeon slipping off a pedestal at phillips auction house in the late 90s. it didn't hit the floor---but i later did, after a large disc fragment popped and migrated into my spinal canal. some tips for a non emergency situation... AFTER AN EVENT --cold first 24h following an event and then heat. --lower back? lie down. pillows under your calves to press the lower back down --any part of your back or neck? invest in a hydrocollator -- you will thank me -- and they're cheap. http://www.isokineticsinc.com/category/hydrocollator http://www.scriphessco.com/itemdetail.asp?cat=MENU=item=231+0035 http://www.chirocity.com/hydrocollatorpacks.aspx you'll see heating units being offered for sale (you absolutely don't need one) as well as terry cloth covers (a few washcloths or folded towel will do the trick). the hydrocollator itself can either be in immersed in boiling water on the stove or immersed in water and then microwaved. i prefer the former. BE CAREFUL! the moist heat is surprisingly penetrating and you can burn yourself easily. start with 3 layers of towels and then and or subtract as needed. LATER (for lower back) --lose weight --strengthen your core --stretch. stretch. stretch. IF IT'S DETERMINED THAT SURGERY IS REQUIRED my fam is crawling with physicians, and the last thing you want is surgery. if possible, exhaust all other options prior to a date with a surgeon. --remember, surgeons are trained (and like to) cut. obtain several opinions; --all disc issues are not the same--let alone seemingly similar lower back issues---and treatments vary. --both neurosurgeons and orthopedic surgeons can do most jobs; --check your physician's training, specialization and ongoing education. so very important. easy to do online. things are so specialized these days..if you have a lower back issue, it's usually best to go with someone whose practice focuses on the same. --have a lexis search done on the physician for lawsuits --do not evaluate the surgeon based on whether you like him or her---this is not match.com. do the aforementioned research and limit your decision to the resume. be well and all best / d On Dec 3, 2010, at 6:03 PM, bernd.pa...@paulinet.de wrote: that's what I've been doing with my pain in the back the last few years (herniated disk). :-/ I partially separated my C3 and C4 vertebrae several years ago Welcome to the HD* club! ;-) *herniated disk L3-L4 here in Germany, Bernd P.S.: Try falling out of trees and see what that does to your neck and back. I did try when I was thirteen... neck and back were ok but my left elbow burst into bits and pieces. Have a crooked arm ever since :-( __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update: November 23-30, 2010
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html#spirit SPIRIT UPDATE: Spirit Remains Silent at Troy - sols 2450-2457, November 23-30, 2010: Spirit remains silent at her location on the west side of Home Plate. No communication has been received from the rover since Sol 2210 (March 22, 2010). The project continues to listen for Spirit with the Deep Space Network and Mars Odyssey orbiter for autonomous recovery communication from the low-power fault case. The project is also conducting a paging technique called Sweep Beep to stimulate the rover in the case of a mission-clock fault. The period of peak solar insolation (energy production) is not until mid-March 2011. So Spirit has plenty of occasion to respond. Total odometry is unchanged at 7,730.50 meters (4.80 miles). OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Imaging Small Craters on the Way to Endeavour - sols 2429-2436, November 23-30, 2010: Opportunity continues to make good progress towards Endeavour crater while collecting remote-sensing science observations (imaging) of small craters along the way. The rover drove on Sols 2429 (Nov. 23, 2010), 2433 (Nov. 27, 2010), and 2436 (Nov. 30, 2010), covering over 81 meters (266 feet), 89 meters (292 feet) and 100 meters (328 feet), respectively. An alpha particle X-ray spectrometer (APXS) atmospheric argon measurement was performed on Sol 2430 (Nov. 24, 2010). The miniature thermal emission spectrometer (Mini-TES) elevation mirror is opened to the environment at regular intervals in the possibility of eventual cleaning by wind events. Wheel currents continue to be well-behaved during the extensive driving. As of Sol 2436 (Nov. 30, 2010), solar array energy production was 587 watt-hours with a slightly elevated atmospheric opacity (Tau) of 0.753 and a solar array dust factor of 0.645. Total odometry is 25,555.33 meters (25.56 kilometers, or 15.88 miles). __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ball Lightning May Explain Some Fireball Sightings
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11877842 Ball lightning 'may explain UFOs' By Jonathan Amos BBC News November 30, 2010 Some UFO sightings could be explained by ball lightning and other atmospheric phenomena, claims Australian astrophysicist Stephen Hughes. The scientist has made a detailed study of an unusual event in 2006 when large meteors were observed over Brisbane. Their appearance occurred at the same time as a brilliant green object was seen to roll over nearby mountains. Dr Hughes has put forward a theory linking the object - presumed to be ball lighting - to the fireballs. His idea is that one of the fireballs may have momentarily triggered an electrical connection between the upper atmosphere and the ground, providing energy for the ball lightning to appear above the hills. He has written up his explanation http://eprints.qut.edu.au/38939/ in a journal of the Royal Society http://rspa.royalsocietypublishing.org/. Dr Hughes says the extraordinary episode, which occurred during a night of fine weather, is just the sort of happening that might lead some to think they had witnessed UFO activity. If you put together inexplicable atmospheric phenomena, maybe of an electrical nature, with human psychology and the desire to see something - that could explain a lot of these UFO sightings, he told BBC News. Rendering of fireball Eyewitnesses were asked to draw what they saw. This is how graphic designer David Sawell recalled a fireball The scientist, who is a senior lecturer at the Queensland University of Technology, initiated the study after being called in by the local TV station to look over and explain photos of the fireballs captured by members of the public on camera phones. Fireballs are exceptionally bright meteors and are produced by fragments of space rock larger than the sand-grain-sized particles responsible for shooting stars; but like shooting stars they cross the sky at great speed. It seems at least three individual fireballs were seen on the night of 16 May 2006. Fireball over Brisbane (Roy Soc) This photo gives a sense of the intense brightness of one of the fireballs A subsequent survey organised by the university brought forward many more eyewitnesses, including a farmer who recalled seeing a luminous green ball rolling down a slope of the Great Divide, a mountainous ridge about 120km west of Brisbane. This object described as being about 30cm in diameter appeared to jump over some rocks and follow the path of a metal fence for some minutes. The farmer said he saw the green object come into view just after a fireball had passed overhead. He thought at first he was witnessing a plane crash and called the police, but a search the following day found no wreckage. Ball lightning seems an obvious explanation, says Dr Hughes. These bright, hovering spheres of light are not fully understood. They are known to be associated with thunderstorms, but not always, and there was certainly no electrical storm activity in the vicinity of the Great Divide. Dr Hughes does not offer a new explanation for the causes of ball lightning, merely how enough energy might have been put into the ground to trigger it. He proposes that the natural flow of current that exists between the upper-most reaches of the atmosphere, the ionosphere, and the ground was increased by the passage of the meteor that streamed charged particles and other conductive materials in its wake. The Great Divide The ball lightning was seen to roll down the slope following the line of a wire fence Could it be that the meteor descending through the atmosphere, having passed through the ionosphere, actually created a transient conductive connection between the ionosphere and the ground, even if it was only for a few seconds? Was that enough to put charge into the ground, and then with the discharge form some kind of plasma ball above? Think of the ionosphere and the ground as the terminals on the battery and you put a wire between those two terminals and current flows, and literally you get a spark. Other scientists have suggested that charges dissipating through the ground can create balls of glowing ionised gas above it. Dr John Abrahamson from the University of Canterbury, NZ, championed the idea 10 years ago that ball lightning consisted of vaporised mineral grains kicked out of the soil by a conventional lightning strike, an idea later tested with some success by Brazilian researchers. He described Dr Hughes' work as relatively feasible and something which made interesting connections. There's a long way to go before everyone will be happy and satisfied that we have a full solution, he told BBC News. Dr Hughes said his publication in Proceedings of the Royal Society A: Mathematical and Physical Sciences was intended to start a debate. It's not a vigorous theory; it's more a suggestion that may be worth exploring, he said. __ Visit the Archives at
[meteorite-list] AD: Meteorite storage boxes Humidity control
Hello Meteorite Collectors, Finally got the slice boxes up on my website, slice storage boxes are available as 40mm round boxes and 30x50mm rectangular boxes with PDMS liner to hold your small piece securely! These are great storage solutions for small fragments, chips and slices (up to 1.5mm thick) because you'll be able to see all sides without getting it out of the storage box. They are quite affordable and offer a simple storage solution for small pieces. Label options include a larger case to hold all similar samples, a simple numeral and key label system or small labels embedded in the case with the meteorite sample. Every order over $100 ships free to US addresses and $8.00 to the rest of the world! Shipping options to Europe have been updated! Thank you to everyone that has been taking advantage of my offerings and I hope that you will consider me for your next purchase of meteorite and fossil storage boxes. If there is any sizes you want that are not offered, please contact me for off the shelf sizes up to bowling balls. :-) Have a great weekend! Rob Holcomb http://www.rholcomb.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Exclusive Saharan NWA Meteorite Map Prints! - Suitable for Framing. Giclees and Prints.
Hi List! Just in time for Christmas - an exclusive new offering from Galactic Stone and Ironworks. :) This beautiful old world style map shows the Saharan Desert of Northwest Africa. Marked on the map are all of the common meteorite falls, finds, and place names. All of those exotic places you read about or talk about are shown on this map. This map was designed to be a piece of display art and a functional reference work. It would be ideal for framing and display in your home, office or near your meteorite collection. It would also make a fine teaching tool or outreach prop when talking about meteorites or meteorite hunting. Now you can see all of those places that have become household names in the meteorite world since the Saharan Gold Rush - Erfoud, Tindouf, Kem Kem, Great Sand Sea, and dozens more. Locations are keyed with symbols for different types - finds, falls, and hammer falls. This map was drawn by Brad Nault, a professional artist whose works have sold in galleries and have been used in several popular video games. The map was drawn at full 300dpi print resolution and is available in sizes ranging from 8.5 x 11 inches to 36 x 19 inches. The 8.5 x 11 size is laser-printed onto heavy cardstock paper. The larger sizes are professionally printed on a Epson high-dynamic range, large-format printer on your choice of heavy luster paper (a high quality, textured, thick paper) or giclee print on canvas. All sizes are suitable for framing. Refer to the sample-sized image. Note, the sample is not displayed at full-resolution or size. The second photo shows the 8.5x11 card stock print - the scale cube and sample frame are not included. The 8.5 x 11 prints are made in house, so those will be shipped upon order. The larger sizes are printed on demand, so there will be a 1-2 business day lead time on printing those. This map is available only from Galactic Stone and Ironworks and all rights are reserved. You can see more of Brad Nault's artwork at - www.bnault.com See this link for ordering - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/meteorite-map-saharan-desert-nwa-map-suitable-for-framing Use coupon code metlist for 20% OFF your order. NOTE - the 36x19 giclee is a limited edition run of 24. Each one is signed and numbered by the artist. The first giclee (#1) will be for sale at the upcoming Michael Blood Auction in Tucson. ALSO AVAILABLE THIS WEEK : Large Sulagiri Micro - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/sulagiri--witnessed-fall-ll6-chondrite-from-india-2008-633mg-slice NWA 6387 howardite, crusted endcut - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6387--new-pristine-vestan-howardite-598mg-crusted-endcut NWA 6290 brecciated diogenite slice - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6290--strange-new-brecciated-diogenite-from-vesta--12g-slice NWA 6290 brecciated diogenite endcut - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6290--strange-new-brecciated-diogenite-from-vesta--265g-endcut NWA 6290 brecciated diogenite micros - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6290--strange-new-brecciated-diogenite-from-vesta--micromounts NWA 801 CR2 endcut - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-801--early-carbonaceous-cr2-chondrite--381mg-endcut Tagish Lake C2-ung micros - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/tagish-lake-exotic-and-rare-c2-ungrouped-meteorite-witnessed-fall Mount Egerton aubrite micros - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/mount-egerton-australian-aubrite-meteorite-enstatite-achondrite Early Recovery Henbury irons - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/henbury--classic-australian-iron-meteorite--impact-craters Pure Elemental Iridium - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/henbury--classic-australian-iron-meteorite--impact-craters Chicxulub micro-tektite display - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/chicxulub-tektite-display-rare-dinosaur-extinction-relic Asteroid Vesta HEDO display - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/hedo-display-lot-of-four-meteorites-from-asteroid-vesta SAU 005 Mars Rock Display - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/mars-rock-retro-art-martian-meteorite-display-dag-476 NWA 4734 Moon Rock Display - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/moon-rock-exclusive-retro-art-lunar-meteorite-display Park Forest Bolide Display - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/park-forest-display-illinois-hammer-meteorite-2003-l5-chondrite 28 Meteorite Collection Kit - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/meteorite-collection-28-different-labelled-specimens-in-a-display Atomic Blonde Trinitite display - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/limited-edition-trinitite-display-vintage-pop-sci-atomic-art Trinitite display - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/trinitite-display-historic-atom-bomb-glass Antique Magic Lantern Slide - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/magic-lantern-slide--early-1900s-twilight-sky-photo-eclipse Fossilized Coral from Pliocene formation -
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Exclusive Saharan NWA Meteorite Map Prints! - Suitable for Framing. Giclees and Prints.
Update on the Saharan Desert NWA Map - The spelling of Almahata Sitta has been corrected, and Bilanga has been added. :) Since these are being printed on demand, I can correct errors or omissions. So feel free to report any mispellings or omissions. Best regards, MikeG PS - a USA meteorite map is in the works. :) -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 12/3/10, Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi List! Just in time for Christmas - an exclusive new offering from Galactic Stone and Ironworks. :) This beautiful old world style map shows the Saharan Desert of Northwest Africa. Marked on the map are all of the common meteorite falls, finds, and place names. All of those exotic places you read about or talk about are shown on this map. This map was designed to be a piece of display art and a functional reference work. It would be ideal for framing and display in your home, office or near your meteorite collection. It would also make a fine teaching tool or outreach prop when talking about meteorites or meteorite hunting. Now you can see all of those places that have become household names in the meteorite world since the Saharan Gold Rush - Erfoud, Tindouf, Kem Kem, Great Sand Sea, and dozens more. Locations are keyed with symbols for different types - finds, falls, and hammer falls. This map was drawn by Brad Nault, a professional artist whose works have sold in galleries and have been used in several popular video games. The map was drawn at full 300dpi print resolution and is available in sizes ranging from 8.5 x 11 inches to 36 x 19 inches. The 8.5 x 11 size is laser-printed onto heavy cardstock paper. The larger sizes are professionally printed on a Epson high-dynamic range, large-format printer on your choice of heavy luster paper (a high quality, textured, thick paper) or giclee print on canvas. All sizes are suitable for framing. Refer to the sample-sized image. Note, the sample is not displayed at full-resolution or size. The second photo shows the 8.5x11 card stock print - the scale cube and sample frame are not included. The 8.5 x 11 prints are made in house, so those will be shipped upon order. The larger sizes are printed on demand, so there will be a 1-2 business day lead time on printing those. This map is available only from Galactic Stone and Ironworks and all rights are reserved. You can see more of Brad Nault's artwork at - www.bnault.com See this link for ordering - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/meteorite-map-saharan-desert-nwa-map-suitable-for-framing Use coupon code metlist for 20% OFF your order. NOTE - the 36x19 giclee is a limited edition run of 24. Each one is signed and numbered by the artist. The first giclee (#1) will be for sale at the upcoming Michael Blood Auction in Tucson. ALSO AVAILABLE THIS WEEK : Large Sulagiri Micro - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/sulagiri--witnessed-fall-ll6-chondrite-from-india-2008-633mg-slice NWA 6387 howardite, crusted endcut - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6387--new-pristine-vestan-howardite-598mg-crusted-endcut NWA 6290 brecciated diogenite slice - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6290--strange-new-brecciated-diogenite-from-vesta--12g-slice NWA 6290 brecciated diogenite endcut - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6290--strange-new-brecciated-diogenite-from-vesta--265g-endcut NWA 6290 brecciated diogenite micros - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6290--strange-new-brecciated-diogenite-from-vesta--micromounts NWA 801 CR2 endcut - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-801--early-carbonaceous-cr2-chondrite--381mg-endcut Tagish Lake C2-ung micros - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/tagish-lake-exotic-and-rare-c2-ungrouped-meteorite-witnessed-fall Mount Egerton aubrite micros - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/mount-egerton-australian-aubrite-meteorite-enstatite-achondrite Early Recovery Henbury irons - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/henbury--classic-australian-iron-meteorite--impact-craters Pure Elemental Iridium - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/henbury--classic-australian-iron-meteorite--impact-craters Chicxulub micro-tektite display - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/chicxulub-tektite-display-rare-dinosaur-extinction-relic Asteroid Vesta HEDO display - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/hedo-display-lot-of-four-meteorites-from-asteroid-vesta SAU 005 Mars Rock Display -
[meteorite-list] Monument and Denver Colorado report large meteor
Dear List, Just posted:@ http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2010/12/meteormeteorite-news-4dec2010.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
