Re: [meteorite-list] 6 Best pieces of Asteroid 2024 BX1 - Meteorite RIBBECK

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Have received this email five times now. Is that enough? Can we stop sending it now?Sent using the mobile mail appOn 3/29/24 at 9:03 AM, Mirko Graul via Meteorite-list wrote:




From: "Mirko Graul via Meteorite-list" Date: March 29, 2024To: "Paul Swartz via Meteorite-list" Cc: Subject: [meteorite-list] 6 Best pieces of Asteroid 2024 BX1 - Meteorite RIBBECK


Dear list members, 
here I offer 6 best pieces from latest Meteorite Fall in Germany on 21.January 2024
All this crusted fragments comes from my first find from 30.January 2024.


Here are my 6 best pieces of 
ASTEROID 2024 BX1  ---  Meteorite RIBBECK
All pieces comes from my first find from 30.01.2024!
Ribbeck crusted fragment 1.574g  2360€
Ribbeck crusted fragment 0.875g  1312€
Ribbeck crusted fragment 0.666g   999€
Ribbeck               fragment 0.622g    808€
Ribbeck crusted fragment 0.535g    802€
Ribbeck crusted fragment 0.391g    586€

Shipping worldwide registered for free!

Pieces comes in large membrane boxes with a large certificate of authenticity.

If you are interested in photos, please contact me and I can send you the photos from your preferred piece or pieces.

Best regards Mirko


Mirko Graul MeteoritesQuittenring 4
16321 Bernau 
GERMANY
PHONE:  00491724105015
E-Mail:  m_gr...@yahoo.de
Web:  meteorite-mirko.de
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[meteorite-list] AD: NWA oriented shield individual

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Hello Everyone,
Hope you are well.

I have a nice 147g NWA oriented shield available.
Asking $220 shipped domestic OBO. International shipping is extra.

Images:
https://ibb.co/MCybP91
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Cheers!
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Re: [meteorite-list] Looking for some meteorites

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I had a Ningbo piece in the past.Would focus on institution trades though if you really want this list to happen. Sent using the mobile mail appOn 10/30/23 at 5:27 PM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list wrote:




From: "Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list" Date: October 30, 2023To: "Haokai Li" ,meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comCc: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Looking for some meteorites


These are all absolutely impossible Michael Farmer 
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On Monday, October 30, 2023, 1:54 PM, Haokai Li via Meteorite-list  wrote:


Hello list,
I am looking for some meteorites. If you have any available, please contact me. Thanks!

1. Jianshi

2. Ningbo

3. Po-wang Chen4. Palinshih5. Quesa

6. Magnesia7. Yukan

8. Weiyuan9. Tulung DzongBest Regards


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[meteorite-list] Ad: Erg Chech 002

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Fellow Collectors,
Hope you are all doing well.

I have a 59g end cut of Erg Chech 002 available if anyone is looking for a nice 
palm specimen of that classification.

Please contact me for additional information.

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
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[meteorite-list] AD: NWA 15942 Eucrite Melt Breccia

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Hello All,
I was never planning to sell specimens of this mass, but the classification 
process got messed up and resulted in me having two part slices left over.

NWA 15942 - Eucrite, Melt Breccia
22.7g part slice = $250
6.6g part slice = $80

Please contact me separately for photos and a shipping quote.

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[meteorite-list] AD: Various Specimens

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Good Day All,
Some random specimens in my collection that I am  no longer attached to, so 
looking to move them along.

Wabar Shale - Attractive, craggy and shapely specimen. Good size at 29.5g 
weight. Small specimens at 5-6g often sell for $50+ so this is a very 
reasonable price. = $177

Canyon Diablo Impact Glass - Call it a tektite if you like, though may not meet 
the definition of one. Rare specimen, nearly non-existent on the collecting 
market. Provenance from the Hupe collection. 1.2g = $72

NWA 14845 - R3 S2 w/ low weathering state. Thin but 99% crusted specimen with 
attractive features. Displays very well. 29.2g = 90$

Bag of weathered NWA-X - I used to use these as give away specimens when I gave 
lectures at conventions and schools. It has been some time since I was active 
in that way, so I'm letting these go. Great for lapidary hobbyists who like to 
polish end cuts, or great for your own give away specimens. Either way they are 
priced fairly. Smallest of them weigh <1g and largest of them weigh 30-40g. 
866g in total. = $215

Shipping is extra. Payments by Paypal or Venmo.

As always, open to offers, but more so if buying multiple specimens.

Contact me separately for photos.

Cheers!
John A. Shea, MD
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[meteorite-list] Donation Request

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Fellow Collectors,
This coming August my wife will be riding in a fundraising bike ride via the 
Pelotonia Institute for Immuno-Oncology. She has a financial goal of $1250, and 
if it was up to me I'd double that!

Her Mother, my Mother, and our beloved Aunt, have all passed in the last few 
years from a variety of aggressive cancers. Please support this goal with a 
donation at the link below. Anything you can give would be appreciated.

https://www.pelotonia.org/profile/DO849545

Thank you!
John A. Shea, MD
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[meteorite-list] AD: CO3.6 main mass and rare Ung-Ach

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Fellow Collectors,
Hope you are all well!

Available today at reduced prices are some splendid specimens of hard to find 
classifications.

First, the 39.6g main mass, full slice of NWA 11358, a scarce CO3.6 
classification with a phenomenal surface area and an intriguing dark chondrule 
rich interior. Asking $475 plus shipping.

Next, a small but appreciable specimen of NWA 14500, an Ungrouped Achondrite. 
Weighing 3.40g this complete slice carries the mineralogy and chemistry of an 
L-chondrite, but the oxygen isotopes completely set it apart. Asking $250 plus 
shipping.

Please contact me for photos.

Cheers!
John A. Shea, MD
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[meteorite-list] AD: A Few HTF Classifications

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Fellow Collectors,
Hope you are all well!

Available today are some splendid specimens of hard to find classifications.

First, the 39.6g main mass, of NWA 11358, a full slice of a scarce CO3.6 
classification with a phenomenal surface area and an intriguing dark chondrule 
rich interior. Asking 25$/g shipped or best offer.

Next, a small but appreciable specimen of NWA 14500, an Ungrouped Achondrite. 
Weighing 3.40g this complete slice carries the mineralogy and chemistry of an 
L-chondrite, but the oxygen isotopes completely set it apart. Asking 350$ 
shipped domestic. International shipping is extra.

Please contact me for photos.

Cheers!
John A. Shea, MD
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[meteorite-list] AD: Gadamis 003 Lunar Ferroan Anorthosite

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Fellow Collectors,
Hope you are all doing well!

Available today is a very nice part slice of Gadamis 003. Weighing 13.87g, it 
is a nice thin slice with a phenomenal surface area that reveals and an 
incredible shocked and brecciated interior. Classified as a Lunar Ferroan 
Anorthosite, it is a specimen closely related to the rocks taken by Apollo 16 
astronauts during their exploration of the lunar highlands.

Please connect with me privately for details.

Cheers!
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[meteorite-list] AD: CK5 NWA 15302

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Fellow Collectors,
Hope you are all doing great!

Newly approved is a CK5 specimen from the hot dessert named NWA 15302. While 
officially classified as a CK5 the specimen was in consideration for CK5-an 
status briefly due to its very complicated petrography. Please see the metbull 
for a full description. Regardless it is an attractive specimen with some 
unique petrological qualities. The crusted end cuts are particularly nice. With 
a TKW of only 36g there is not much to offer, and this was indeed the only 
specimen of its kind found in the area by the hunters who uncovered it.

10g full slice = $220
10.4g end cut = $260 (main mass)
3.8g end cut = $114

Please contact me for photos. Shipping added if international, otherwise 
included in the price.

Cheers!
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[meteorite-list] Ad: Crusted Mbale Individual

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Good Morning Fellow Collectors,
Hope you are all doing well this week.

Available today is an exceptional 21.4g crusted individual of the Mbale fall, 
L5/6 from Uganda, 1992.

Crusted individuals of this historic fall are exceedingly rare on the market 
these days. This specimen is at least 60% crusted and has one naturally 
fragmented side that reveals the interior. It's a great representative piece of 
this unique fall.

Please pm me for additional details.

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295
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HISTORICAL AMERICAN METEORITE OF OVER 42 KG
Bonhams Natural History auction on Sep 21 offers 50+ lots of stellar planetary 
meteorite specimens, including a superb Canyon Diablo specimen. Browse the 
auction and register to bid online.

Link:  
https://www.bonhams.com/auction/27815/cabinet-of-curiosities-natural-history-entomology-and-minerals/?utm_source=meteroritecentral_medium=banner_campaign=nat-sep-22_id=col-nat-sep-22
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[meteorite-list] Ad: Exceptional Henbury

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Exceptional 1081g Henbury with curvaceous form and natural patina available. 
Stands on end naturally as shown. Comes with my provenance as well as Ruben 
Garcia. Was in a private collection prior to that for many years. Phenomenal 
representative specimen.

Photos at the links below:
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https://ibb.co/drYk2gx
https://ibb.co/Fn7bDks
https://ibb.co/ggqyRrR

Contact me for details.

Cheers!
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Re: [meteorite-list] CERTIFICATION OF AUTHENTICITY

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Thought I'd chime in...

In my humble opinion, this is a non-issue.

In the world of collectibles such as meteorites determining the authenticity of 
a specimen occurs in one of three ways:
1) You know enough about a specimen yourself to decide on your own that it is 
what someone says it is.
2) You know enough about the person (or company) you are buying from to trust 
that it is what someone says it is.
3) You trade with a noted institution and get exactly what they say it is. 

Whether or not there is a larger organization that is "authorized" to give 
certifications on a specimen is meaningless.
a) Not every specimen can be certified by that organization. Nor should they 
be. They would be overwhelmed with specimens, and as we all know the definitive 
methods of testing are nearly all destructive in nature. 
b) Even when such organizations do exist, they are frequently fallible, 
sometimes corrupt, and often disagree with one another if there is more than 
one organization issuing certifications. 

Some prime examples of this are from the world of genuine Japanese sword 
collecting, also called Nihonto collecting.
i) The most highly respected shinsa (judgement of authenticity for a sword) 
organization in Japan is called the NBTHK. They went through a significant 
scandal in the 1970's when antique swords with gimei (fake) signatures, where 
certified as zaimei (genuine) signatures. This occurred for various reasons, 
the most crucial of which was bribery. All swords certified during that era had 
to subsequently be re-certified under the new leadership and scholarship of the 
organization, and a huge number of those swords were found to have fake 
signatures.
ii) Another respected organization that performs shinsa is called the NTHK. I 
have personally submitted a sword for NTHK shinsa and had it approved as 
zaimei, only to submit it again to the NBTHK and see them call the signature 
gimei. In other words, not even the most respected scholars in a field of study 
always agree.

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
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On 7/27/22 at 2:52 AM, Maurizio Eltri via Meteorite-list wrote:

> 
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> I am thinking that perhaps there are 
> interpretative rules that may vary from country 
> to country. At least here in Italy and a little 
> more generally in Europe, a certificate is an 
> important document and as such its value can only 
> be given if it is drawn up by a person or body 
> legally responsible for doing so. If everyone 
> could draw up any certificate on their own, it 
> certainly would no longer have the same value.
> In the specific case you write "In this case the 
> seller is" certifying "the" authenticity "of the 
> meteorite he is selling." In this case the 
> document cannot define a certificate but rather a 
> self-certification or rather a self-declaration, 
> which are very different things.
> 
> 
> 
> At 17:34 26/07/2022, you wrote:
> >I guess I am just not understanding how the word 
> >"certificate' is misrepresenting anything.  I 
> >am not sure where the text you copied came from 
> >or how it relates, but the word certificate is 
> >appropriate when a specific entity is formally 
> >stating something.  In this case, the seller is 
> >"certifying" the "authenticity" of the meteorite 
> >they are selling.  It is correct usage.   The 
> >cards I use don't actually say "certificate of 
> >authenticity" on them  but when customers ask 
> >about a "COA" I know what they are talking about 
> >and don't see anything wrong with the 
> >term.  They clearly know that it is the seller, 
> >and not some other entity, making the claim that 
> >the item is authentic, so there is no problem of 
> >confusion of what it means.  Regarding the 
> >issue of a "lack of seriousness" of the seller, 
> >times change.  It could be that at one point 
> >people might have found the term weird, but for 
> >new collectors a COA is just an assumed part of 
> >a purchase.  If they asked for one and you said 
> >"I don't provide those, but I have a label" that 
> >would indicate to them a lack of 
> >seriousness.  The difference is that the term 
> >"label" doesn't imply that the seller is 
> >vouching for the authenticity of something -- 
> >and although it is true the owner would be 
> >responsible for mistakes whether he vouched for 
> >it or not, there is really no downside to 
> >vouching for it, and it gives the buyer some 
> >piece of mind to have a document providing 
> >provenance in which the seller stated that the 
> >item was genuine.  But if you don't like the 
> >term certificate of authenticity, don't use it 
> >on your cards -- I don't -- but don't imply that 
> >there is anything incorrect or dishonest or 
> >unserious about the term just because it doesn't appeal to you personally.Â
> >
> >
> >
> >On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 12:09 AM Maurizio Eltri 
> >via Meteorite-list 
> 

Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Casas Grandes, Mexico

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Still available!
Cheers!


On 7/18/22 at 5:54 PM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list wrote:

> Dear Fellow Collectors,
> Hope you are all doing well.
>
> Available here is a very appreciable 14.4g slice of the Casas Grandes 
> meteorite, an IIAB from Chihuahua, Mexico. Arguably one of the rarest and 
> most historic Mexican meteorites.
>
> Discovered in 1867, the mass was uncovered in a burial chamber within the 
> larger Casas Grandes archeological structure. Curiously, it was situated 
> amidst mummified bodies, and wrapped in cloths similar to the surrounding 
> occupants of that tomb. Without question this meteorite was an invaluable 
> part of the culture that thrived there for hundreds of years, though what 
> meaning it had to them remains unclear.
>
> This specimen was cut from a larger mass traded to Jay Piatek from the USNM. 
> A portion of that was sold to Corey Kuo who later sold it to Rob Wesel. It 
> was then butterflied into three specimens, and this 14.4g specimen came from 
> that cutting. This slice comes with provenance from Rob Wesel as well as 
> myself. Duplicated photographic provenance from the USNM and Corey Kuo will 
> be provided as well.
>
> Please contact me privately for additional details.
>
> Cheers!
> John A. Shea, MD
> IMCA 3295
>
>
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[meteorite-list] AD: Casas Grandes, Mexico

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Dear Fellow Collectors,
Hope you are all doing well.

Available here is a very appreciable 14.4g slice of the Casas Grandes 
meteorite, an IIAB from Chihuahua, Mexico. Arguably one of the rarest and most 
historic Mexican meteorites.

Discovered in 1867, the mass was uncovered in a burial chamber within the 
larger Casas Grandes archeological structure. Curiously, it was situated amidst 
mummified bodies, and wrapped in cloths similar to the surrounding occupants of 
that tomb. Without question this meteorite was an invaluable part of the 
culture that thrived there for hundreds of years, though what meaning it had to 
them remains unclear.

This specimen was cut from a larger mass traded to Jay Piatek from the USNM. A 
portion of that was sold to Corey Kuo who later sold it to Rob Wesel. It was 
then butterflied into three specimens, and this 14.4g specimen came from that 
cutting. This slice comes with provenance from Rob Wesel as well as myself. 
Duplicated photographic provenance from the USNM and Corey Kuo will be provided 
as well.

Please contact me privately for additional details.

Cheers!
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[meteorite-list] Ad: Duruma, Kenya 1853

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Fellow Collectors,
Hope you are all well.

Available today is a true rarity, a 0.97g specimen of the Duruma meteorite, a 
witnessed fall from 1853 in Kenya. It fell not far from a few boys of the 
Duruma tribe, and was subsequently worshipped within their culture, resting on 
an alter for years after.

In 1856 the Duruma tribe was largely slaughtered by the neighboring Masaii 
tribe. Understandably, they lost faith in the meteorite's ability to benefit 
them. It was subsequently sold to German missionaries in the area and 
transported to Munich. It was cut, and the main mass was on display at the 
Munich museum in 1942 when the British bombed the area, destroying the museum 
and the main mass with it. Roughly 50g of Duruma are documented in 
institutional collections.

I know of only one other private collector who has a specimen of Duruma. That 
specimen, and this one, both have an origin point from Australian merchant Bob 
Walker (who died in the 1990's) and received it via an institutional trade. 
That specimen was subsequently acquired by Russ Kempton, and was cut into two 
specimens. One was sold to John Schooler decades ago, who later sold his 
specimen to me when he retired from collecting. I have since acquired this 
remaining 0.97g specimen from Russ, and sold John Schooler's specimen to 
another private collector.

This specimen is thought of by some as the Holy Grail of worshipped meteorites. 
It will come with provenance from Russ Kempton as well as myself. I have 
visually paired it with the two specimens in the Vienna museum.

See photos at the following links:
https://ibb.co/5KvfsL6
https://ibb.co/d50gS3Q
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Please contact me privately for additional details.

Cheers!
John A. Shea, MD
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[meteorite-list] Ad: 76.5g NWA 13272 Prob Pairing

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Dear Fellow Collectors,
Hope you are all doing well today.

Available here is a 76.5g probable pairing to NWA 13272, the only achondrite 
with the oxygen isotope affinity of L-chondrites. This was acquired from 
another IMCA dealer who purchased a lot of specimens which were XRF paired, 
matching the composition and visual characteristics of NWA 13272. It is not 
only a phenomenal individual of this rare Ungrouped Achondrite, but it is an 
exceptional palm specimen that feels good in the hand and looks good on 
display. Comes with my provenance card and the card of the merchant I acquired 
it from.

Please connect with me privately for photos and details.

Cheers!
John A. Shea, MD
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[meteorite-list] Ad: Chelyabinsk blast damaged window

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Dear Fellow Collectors,
Hope you are all doing well.

Available today is a phenomenal Chelyabinsk impact artifact, a window damaged 
by the blast of the Chelyabinsk meteorite. This window measures roughly 13" by 
20" and 3" deep. It will come with some glass fragments that are still adhering 
to the frame. It has a very typical weathered appearance of domestic windows 
from the region, and was acquired not long after the blast itself. Ephemera of 
this type has sold at auctions for thousands of dollars, but my asking price is 
very reasonable by comparison. Shipping for this item will be calculated based 
on your location.

Please contact me for additional details and photo.

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
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Re: [meteorite-list] Inside the Strange World of the Meteorite Trade

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I'm certain that Greg Brennecka is an incredible and brilliant researcher, but in my opinion this relatively brief article misrepresents the sincerity and honesty of MANY meteorite sellers and collectors. Cheers,John A. Shea, MDIMCA 3295On 2/7/22 at 1:26 PM, Leonard David via Meteorite-list wrote:




From: "Leonard David via Meteorite-list" Date: February 7, 2022To: "meteorite-list-ow...@meteoritecentral.com" ,"meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" Cc: Subject: [meteorite-list] Inside the Strange World of the Meteorite Trade


Leonard David FYI:





Inside the Strange World of the Meteorite Trade





Greg Brennecka on Owning a Piece of Mars





https://lithub.com/inside-the-strange-world-of-the-meteorite-trade/

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[meteorite-list] AD: 99% Crusted Benenitra

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Dear Fellow Collectors,
Hope you are all well!

I have a 99% crusted specimen of Benenitra, Madagascar (L6) I'd like to sell. 
Beautiful 71.5g specimen acquired shortly after the fall.

Listing it at a bargain of 10$/g (OBO) well below what other specimens are 
listed for.

Shipping in the USA is free. International shipping is extra.

Contact me for photos.

Cheers!
John A. Shea, MD
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[meteorite-list] Ad: 30.7g Pre-melt Chelyabinsk 97% crust

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Dear Fellow Collectors,
Hope you are all well.

I'm upgrading my Chelyabinsk specimen so this beauty, purchased immediately 
after the fall date from a local hunter, is now available.

Chelyabinsk, ~97% crusted pre-melt individual, 30.7g with regmaglypts.

Asking 280$ for this. Email me here for photos.

Priority shipping in the USA is included in the price. International shipping 
is extra.

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
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[meteorite-list] Ad: Pre-rain Aguas Zarcas

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Dear Fellow Collectors,

Hope you are well!

In a recent trade I acquired a lovely specimen of Aguas Zarcas, 4g of pre-rain 
space chocolate with nearly perfect 99% fusion crust. It's a great specimen to 
represent the fall.

Asking 120$/g (480$) shipped domestic. International shipping will be 
calculated.

Cheers!
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[meteorite-list] AD: Trâpeăng Rônoăs, Cambodia

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Dear Fellow Collectors,
Hope you are all having a great weekend.

I have available today a once in a lifetime specimen... One of two pieces of 
the Trâpeăng Rônoăs meteorite fall that are in a private collection.

Trâpeăng Rônoăs, Cambodia, H4, 2.2g part end cut showing rust from water 
poured over the specimen during worship. See article at link below. Acquired in 
trade from CML, who performed the classification. 

https://www.meteorite-times.com/trapeang-ronoas-meteorite/

Please contact me if you are interested in learning more. 

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
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[meteorite-list] AD: New CV3 Classification

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Dear Fellow Collectors,
Hope you are all doing well!

I have a reduced subclass CV3 that will hopefully be completing classification 
soon. Just a few specimens available for collectors. The main mass will be held 
by the classifying institution.

10.2g end cut 117$
3.6g part slice 46$
2.7g part slice 35$

Exceptional chondrules and inclusions in a dark matrix. Small but intriguing 
specimens. Please respond off list for photos.

Domestic USA shipping is $8. International shipping will be calculated.

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Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

LOL! I guess you know better than the whole nomenclature committee! ROFL!

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
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On 5/22/21 at 2:22 PM, bill k wrote:

> 
> As usual you miss the point. How can a find be a doubtful fall. It's just as 
> ridiculous as the term "witnessed find" as I suggested. If the darn thing has 
> been found it had to have fell at some point. Shsh Most of these 
> terms are absurd.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> 
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Friday, May 21, 2021 7:51 AM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> > In my estimation, Bur-Arbor likely rests in the category of "Find - 
> > Doubtful Fall" or "Find" as defined below. The degree of weathering seen on 
> > the mass is unlikely to be from an event in 1997, though an earlier event 
> > in the region may be on record somewhere, and thus be loosely connected to 
> > the mass. 
> > The below is quoted from Michael's link. Very helpful...
> >
> > Cheers,
> > John A. Shea, MD
> > IMCA 3295
> > www.bigjohnmeteorites.com
> >
> > "The New Categorization System for Falls and Finds:
> >
> > In December, 2014, the NomCom adopted a new system for categorizing falls 
> > and finds. Instead of a binary system, the new one has five categories, 
> > which can be arranged in order of confidence that a meteorite is an 
> > observed fall.
> >
> > The top two categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom determines to 
> > be falls, and are subject to the nomenclatural rules for falls:
> >
> > A “Confirmed fall” is a meteorite determined to be a fall beyond reasonable 
> > doubt. There was a well-documented fall event, witnessed either visually or 
> > with instruments, and collection occurred soon after the event. Physical 
> > evidence is consistent with a fresh fall, or, when collection did not occur 
> > immediately, convincingly points to a fall at the time of the event.
> >
> > A “Probable fall” is a meteorite found to be a fall by the weight of the 
> > evidence, but there remains some degree of doubt. There were observations 
> > of an event considered likely to have produced meteorites, but there 
> > remains some doubt about whether the collected meteorite is related to the 
> > event, or about the nature of the event itself.
> >
> > The bottom three categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom determines 
> > to be finds, and are subject to the nomenclatural rules for finds, 
> > including application of DCA numbering sequences.
> >
> > A “Find, possible fall” is a meteorite that was submitted with information 
> > that may connect it to a fall event, but the evidence was found to be 
> > insufficient to accept this claim. There was an observation that seems 
> > consistent with a fall event, but there is significant doubt, either about 
> > whether the meteorite is connected to the event or about the observations 
> > of the event itself.
> >
> > A “Find, doubtful fall” is also a meteorite submitted with information that 
> > may connect it to a fall event, but there is a high degree of doubt about 
> > whether the meteorite is connected to the event or about the observations 
> > of the event itself.
> >
> > A “Find” is a meteorite for which no evidence, or no credible evidence, was 
> > submitted concerning the fall circumstances."
> >
> > On 5/21/21 at 7:29 AM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list wrote:
> >
> > From: "Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list" 
> > 
> > Date: May 21, 2021
> > To: "bill k" 
> > Cc: "Darryl Pitt" ,
> > "Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE 
> > SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS
> > Bill, please see Microsoft Word - falls and finds - accepted 2-24-2015.docx 
> > (usra.edu) for an answer to your question.  The Nomenclature Committee of 
> > the Meteoritical Society maintains these definitions.
> >
> > -Michael in so. Cal.
> >
> > Virus-free. www.avg.com
> >
> > On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 4:44 PM bill k via Meteorite-list 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > "Bur-Abor is not considered an “unwitnessed fall” by anyone as no such 
> > > designation exists.
> > >
> > > Is there an "official" designation for "witnessed find"? I mean it is 
> > > implied and should go without saying... but is it an officially 
> > > recognized term?
> > >
> > > Sent wi

Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

In my estimation, Bur-Arbor likely rests in the category of "Find - Doubtful Fall" or "Find" as defined below. The degree of weathering seen on the mass is unlikely to be from an event in 1997, though an earlier event in the region may be on record somewhere, and thus be loosely connected to the mass. The below is quoted from Michael's link. Very helpful...Cheers,John A. Shea, MDIMCA 3295www.bigjohnmeteorites.com"The New Categorization System for Falls and Finds:In December, 2014, the NomCom adopted a new system for categorizing falls and finds. Instead of a binary system, the new one has five categories, which can be arranged in order of confidence that a meteorite is an observed fall.The top two categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom determines to be falls, and are subject to the nomenclatural rules for falls:A “Confirmed fall” is a meteorite determined to be a fall beyond reasonable doubt. There was a well-documented fall event, witnessed either visually or with instruments, and collection occurred soon after the event. Physical evidence is consistent with a fresh fall, or, when collection did not occur immediately, convincingly points to a fall at the time of the event.A “Probable fall” is a meteorite found to be a fall by the weight of the evidence, but there remains some degree of doubt. There were observations of an event considered likely to have produced meteorites, but there remains some doubt about whether the collected meteorite is related to the event, or about the nature of the event itself.The bottom three categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom determines to be finds, and are subject to the nomenclatural rules for finds, including application of DCA numbering sequences.A “Find, possible fall” is a meteorite that was submitted with information that may connect it to a fall event, but the evidence was found to be insufficient to accept this claim. There was an observation that seems consistent with a fall event, but there is significant doubt, either about whether the meteorite is connected to the event or about the observations of the event itself.A “Find, doubtful fall” is also a meteorite submitted with information that may connect it to a fall event, but there is a high degree of doubt about whether the meteorite is connected to the event or about the observations of the event itself.A “Find” is a meteorite for which no evidence, or no credible evidence, was submitted concerning the fall circumstances."On 5/21/21 at 7:29 AM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list wrote:




From: "Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list" Date: May 21, 2021To: "bill k" Cc: "Darryl Pitt" ,"Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]  SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS


Bill, please see Microsoft Word - falls and finds - accepted 2-24-2015.docx (usra.edu) for an answer to your question.  The Nomenclature Committee of the Meteoritical Society maintains these definitions.

-Michael in so. Cal.




	

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On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 4:44 PM bill k via Meteorite-list  wrote:

"Bur-Abor is not considered an “unwitnessed fall” by anyone as no such designation exists.

Is there an "official" designation for "witnessed find"? I mean it is implied and should go without saying... but is it an officially recognized term?




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On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 6:45 AM, Darryl Pitt via Meteorite-list  wrote:

> Hi Elizabeth, 
>
> Bur-Abor is not considered an “unwitnessed fall” by anyone as no such designation exists.  The features of this meteorite are consistent with a residency on Earth of at least decades — if not centuries...or far more; Bur-Abor is an outstanding, highly weathered meteorite.  Please remedy as we all get hurt when the line between puffing and misrepresentation is blurred. 
>
> > On May 18, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Elizabeth Grose via Meteorite-list  wrote:
> >
> > NOW AVAILABLE AT AUCTION
> > BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS
> > Iron, medium octahedrite IIIAB
> > Northeastern Province, Kenyahttps://www.bonhams.com/auctions/27190/lot/11/
> >
> > A thrilling 600-pound main mass, the Bur-Abor meteorite main mass may arguably be classed at the top of all large iron meteorites to be offered at auction. Bur -Abor was found in Northeastern Kenya in a local family's garden, after it fell on Nov. 27, 1997. Considered an unwitnessed fall, Bur-Abor boasts numerous distinguished qualities.
> >
> > The present main mass is replete with regmaglypts and large scoops while also displaying the rarely seen feature of orientation. These distinctive features were caused by ablation as the meteorite coursed 

[meteorite-list] AD: Historic Native American Meteorite Specimen

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Dear Fellow Collectors,
Hope you are all doing good.

Available here is an excellent old specimen of Lincoln County, CO (L6). Noted 
by Nininger in his article "Meteorite Collecting Among Ancient Americans" it 
was found in 1937 amidst the ruins of a Native American encampment. Like other 
meteorites found among Native ruins, it was no doubt a prized possession of 
that tribe.

Lincoln County, Colorado, L6 part slice with natural edge, 21.9g

Please contact me for price, photo and other details

bigjohns...@mail.com

Cheers!
John A. Shea, MD
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https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/27190/
Coming to auction in Bonhams Meteorites Online sale.  Browse 90+ lots of superb 
planetary meteorite specimens & impact memorabilia, including rare main mass 
Martian and Lunar meteorites.

Bid online May 18-28 at Bonhams : Meteorites Online
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[meteorite-list] Ad: Iron Creek, Chilkoot, Lincoln County

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Dear Fellow Collectors,
Hope you are all doing good this week.

I have a few rare specimens available, each of which has a significant history 
linking it to the Native American populations of North America.

For your consideration:
Iron Creek, Saskatchewan, Canada, part slice with natural edge, 9.55g

Chilkoot, Alaska, large part slice with three natural edges, 246.8g (Certainly 
the largest slice in a private collection)

Lincoln County, Colorado, part slice with natural edge, 21.9g

Please contact me for price, photos and other details.

bigjohns...@mail.com

Cheers!
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295
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Re: [meteorite-list] A bit late- Indonesia House Hit by Meteorite NOV 2020

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Lest we forget Cambodia in April of 2014. ;-)https://www.meteorite-times.com/trapeang-ronoas-meteorite/Cheers,John A. Shea, MDIMCA 3295www.bigjohnmeteorites.comOn 3/8/21 at 7:39 AM, Roberto Vargas via Meteorite-list wrote:




From: "Roberto Vargas via Meteorite-list" Date: March 8, 2021To: "Meteorite-list" ,"drtanuki" Cc: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A bit late- Indonesia House Hit by Meteorite NOV 2020





That was the Kolang fall from August. Interestingly enough, a second fall hit the same island on January 28th




https://www.google.com/amp/s/olhardigital.com.br/en/2021/02/10/news/meteorite-found-in-indonesia-was-served-as-miraculous-elixir/amp/%3Fgfetch%3D2021/02/10/news/meteorite-found-in-indonesia-was-served-as-miraculous-elixir/





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From: Meteorite-list  on behalf of drtanuki via Meteorite-list 
Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2021 5:54:52 PM
To: Meteorite-list 
Subject: [meteorite-list] A bit late- Indonesia House Hit by Meteorite NOV 2020
 


List,
  I do not recall this making the list-
https://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-latest-worldwide-meteormeteorite_92.html



Sorry, I am still trying to catch up on three years lost.
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Dirk Ross
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Re: [meteorite-list] Christies auction results

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LOL!
I have a bridge to sell them...

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
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On 2/24/21 at 8:46 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list wrote:

> I wish the person who paid $350,000.00 USD for a 4-inch Muonionalusta
> sphere would send me some of what they were smoking during the
> bidding. LOL.
>
>
>
> On 2/23/21, Kevin Kichinka via Meteorite-list
>  wrote:
> > Team Meteorite:
> >
> > Who needs Bitcoin, when you can own meteorites?
> >
> > Please review the prices paid/gram for EVERYTHING/ANYTHING!
> > Consignors were well rewarded.
> >
> > https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/deep-impact-martian-lunar-other-rare-meteorites/lots/2006
> >
> > Kevin Kichinka
> > Directly under Betelgeuse tonight...
> >
>
>
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> 
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[meteorite-list] Ad: Uwet, Nigeria 1825

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Dear Fellow Collectors,
Hope you are all doing well.

Available here is a very rare specimen of the Uwet meteorite. Supposedly a 
witnessed fall in 1825, it was venerated as a source of prosperity by the 
locals for decades. It was removed temporarily by English colonists in 1903 and 
sent to the British Museum. As the story goes, the town of Uwet subsequently 
fell into devastation amidst a Smallpox plague. The locals attributed this to 
the removal of the meteorite, and the town is said to have prospered ever since 
it was returned. Less than half the 55kg mass currently resides in the village, 
with another ~28kg spread out over various institutions, the bulk of this in 
Heidelberg.

This specimen originated from a larger portion sold by Eric Twelker. Afterwards 
reduced by Russ Kempton. Now weighing 12.86g. It has a small inclusion and also 
displays an array of prismatic rhabdites which are a characteristic of Uwet.

Asking 770$ with shipping included

Please inquire for photo.

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ad: Ogi, Japan fall 1741

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It is sold. Multiple people responded to me directly, so the mystery of contacting me was never a mystery...Cheers,John A. Shea, MDIMCA 3295www.bigjohnmeteorites.comOn 2/7/21 at 5:48 PM, Michael Doran via Meteorite-list wrote:




From: "Michael Doran via Meteorite-list" Date: February 7, 2021To: "Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list" Cc: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad: Ogi, Japan fall 1741



> However, you give no contact information and neither does your website.



When you want to tell your wife,  "Honey, I tried to sell some meteorites, but nobody was buying."  ;-)

BTW, if I hit "reply to all" on a Meteorite-list message, it shows the address of the person sending the message as well as the meteorite-list.

-- Michael

Michael Doran









On Saturday, February 6, 2021, 08:16:32 PM CST, mlblood--- via Meteorite-list  wrote:





  John,
  I am interested. However, you give no contact information and neither does your website.
  Please contact me directly at: mlbl...@cox.net
  Thank you,
  Michael Blood
  

  
   On February 6, 2021 at 1:33 PM Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
   
   
   Dear Fellow Collectors,
   Hope you are all well.
   
   If you like meteorites with incredible stories, I have one for you. A 1.7g specimen of Ogi, Japan, available for your consideration.
   
   Some details from Oliver Farrington's, "The Worship and Folk-Lore of Meteorites"
   
   "Ogi, Hizen, Japan. - Two stones which fell here, according to one account, December 10, 1744, were used for more than 150 years as offerings annually made in the temple in Ogi, to Shokujo on the festival of that goddess the 7th day of the 7th month. The belief among the Japanese was that the stones had fallen from the shores of the Silver River, Heavenly River, or Milky Way, after they had been used by the goddess as weights to steady her loom. One of these stones is now largely preserved in the British Museum."
   
   Please contact me for details and photo.
   
   Cheers,
   John A. Shea, MD
   IMCA 3295
   www.bigjohnmeteorites.com
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[meteorite-list] Ad: Ogi, Japan fall 1741

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Dear Fellow Collectors,
Hope you are all well.

If you like meteorites with incredible stories, I have one for you. A 1.7g 
specimen of Ogi, Japan, available for your consideration.

Some details from Oliver Farrington's, "The Worship and Folk-Lore of Meteorites"

"Ogi, Hizen, Japan. - Two stones which fell here, according to one account, 
December 10, 1744, were used for more than 150 years as offerings annually made 
in the temple in Ogi, to Shokujo on the festival of that goddess the 7th day of 
the 7th month. The belief among the Japanese was that the stones had fallen 
from the shores of the Silver River, Heavenly River, or Milky Way, after they 
had been used by the goddess as weights to steady her loom. One of these stones 
is now largely preserved in the British Museum."

Please contact me for details and photo.

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295
www.bigjohnmeteorites.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites

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Those look nothing like meteorites. 

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
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On 11/23/20 at 6:39 PM, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list wrote:

> 
> What am I missing?
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "John Teague via Meteorite-list" 
> To: "Audrey Pfeifer" ; 
> 
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 7:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites
> 
> 
> I'm speechless!  Utterly speechless!
> 
> -Original Message-
> >From: Audrey Pfeifer via Meteorite-list 
> >Sent: Nov 22, 2020 12:12 AM
> >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> >Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites
> >
> >Here are a few meteorites from my collection. The topmost and middle ones 
> >are, I
> >believe lunar, which weigh 9 and 12 pounds respectively. The other, below, I 
> >believe is
> >Martian and it weighs 31.6 lbs. As you can see, it is yellow and red though 
> >the colors
> >are dulled probably from it’s long earthly sojourn. I have quite a few other 
> >meteorites
> >most of which were found on my property in Sebastopol, California (sold 
> >now), and
> >in the Sierra Nevada foothills.  I have many smaller meteorites.  I have 
> >been collecting
> >these rocks for more than 40 years and am now very old. So I want to sell 
> >most of them
> >and need help in deciding how to go about it. I know they will need to be 
> >classified,
> >but how do I get that done. I have no way to cut pieces off of them and 
> >there doesn’t
> >seem to be any meteorite collectors anywhere near Modesto who would have such
> >equipment. Can anyone on the list help me?
> >Thank You,
> >Audrey
> >
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteoritical Bulletin Main Mass photos

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Everything we do on the internet (including your last email) is being spied on. 
No reason at all to bother worrying about facebook... LOL



On 6/14/20 at 1:56 PM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list wrote:

> Zuckerberg doesn't even use his own services and makes six million dollars a 
> day gathering personal information on others.
>
> I have never supported his crap and never will.
>
> I leave it to my lovely wife who uses this service despite the pitfalls and 
> is very careful about everything she posts not wanting to ruin her social 
> profile.
>
> Now back to removing a camera and microphone hidden in my brand new 
> flat-screen even though doing so violates the warranty.  I do not want some 
> idiot watching me while I am watching NASCAR.
>
> Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteoritical Bulletin Main Mass photos

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Take it private if you want to argue.






On 6/14/20 at 12:46 PM, Marcin Cimała - POLANDMET via Meteorite-list wrote:

> Hi Marcin,
> 
> I did not mean my reply to sound aggressive or personal towards you. I
> have always liked you and never had a problem with you personally. I
> just don't like Facebook (or Zuckerberg) and the increasing stagnation
> of this fine mailing list is a direct result of social media sites
> like FB siphoning away all of the online oxygen. Facebook seeks to
> control information and discourse - a monolithic entity answerable to
> nobody that exploits it's userbase as a resource to enrich itself. It
> does this without regard to the collateral damage done to privacy or
> civil rights. All the while, FB is doing nothing original or
> innovative. Chatting, posting, groups, and every other functionality
> of FB are things we can do elsewhere. We don't *need* Facebook. It
> needs us.
> 
> =
> Nothing personaly ofcourse.
> I completly dont understand Your point of view and negative approach. I 
> never saw any "control information" on FB except some "jail time" for some 
> persons for their political comments or radical posts. Even I was 24h banned 
> once but it was becouse of my comment under political post. So this was not 
> connected to our hobby. If You stay away from bullshit like political posts 
> You are safe. It was surprize for me but I completly agree with this "jail 
> time". It was lesson.
> 
> I tryed to show You how to use Facebook as very valuable, friendly platform 
> but seems You are too negavite to it. Sorry to see that. Its Your right, I 
> understand.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> This List introduced me to the meteorite world. It brought me to the
> dance, so to speak. And after many years of playing the social media
> field, I have come back home to my high-school sweetheart, the
> Met-List.
> 
> ===
> me too, it was the best source of meteorite informations, sales, but it was 
> many many years ago. Its like Met Bull with classification info but without 
> photos of specimens. Its like telling that Radio auditions are better than 
> TV shows becouse in TV speaker is watching You. I cant agree becouse its up 
> on You how You use it. You dont have that controll watching TV or read 
> newspapers. You eat what they serve You there.
> 
> 
> A lof of other collectors and dealers still congregate on FB and many
> do quite well with sales. That's fine and I wish them success in what
> works for them. I was one of the first handful of meteorite people to
> become active on FB back in 2009 and now I am not the first to pack up
> and leave that venue. I probably won't be the last. I've already
> noticed that some List members are not very active on FB any more.
> Maybe it's for the same reasons or they have their own reasons. But, I
> think it's high time to get this mailing list rolling again. FB has
> stolen the thunder for too long. The Met-List and FB don't have to be
> mutually exclusive and both can co-exist. But, if Zuck and FB had
> their way, venues like this mailing list would be trampled into
> silence or absorbed into the Borg-like collective that is Facebook and
> Amazon.
> 
> To each their own, but long live the List!
> MikeG
> 
> 
> I still cant understand what Zuckenberg have to You reading my posts in 
> meteorite group about my new slices.
> Sorry but this sounds like irrational bullshit to me. This is soo strange 
> that You have used FB before so what happend ?
> 
> Nothing personaly Michael.
> 
> 
> -[ MARCIN CIMALA ][ +48 793567667 ]-
> http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
> http://www.PolandMET.com   marcin(at)polandmet.com
> [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/14/20, Marcin Cimała - POLANDMET  wrote:
> > This is not a good point. You missing it.
> > Do You watch TV ? You choose TV program You want to watch. You buy
> > newspapers You think are worth Your money.
> > Same You do on facebook. You choose Your friends and groups You want to
> > watch for informations You want to see. Valuable for You. If they are 
> > crap,
> >
> > You leave groups, You unfriend stupid peoples the same as You turn to
> > another TV channel if they start comercials in the middle of movie or You 
> > go
> >
> > to another page if there is stupid article or not interesting for You.
> >
> > You have Your smartphone and computer? They spies You even better than
> > cameras on the streets. Then why You think Facebook spies You better than
> > Your phone ? If You feel unfonfortable, sell all electronic devices, unpug
> > Your net cable, turn off wi-fi. No, You cant.
> >
> > My understand of Facebook (I dont use any other social media) is that it 
> > is
> >
> > like TV. I watch only this channel that Im interested. Im in meteorite
> > groups, not all of them, just some, in my actual car group, in car that I
> > want to buy group, cats group, 3D printing groups, my photo camera groups.
> 

[meteorite-list] Ad: Appraisal Service and T-shirts!

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Dear Fellow Collectors,
Hope you are all doing well today!

After some considerable effort trying to find someone to work on an appraisal 
of my core collection, I have realized that there is a void in the world of 
meteorite collecting. Namely, an affordable and accessible appraisal service 
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When people did have an interest in working on my appraisal, their services 
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Cheers,
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[meteorite-list] Ad: Additional specimens at great prices! (Ad: 1/14)

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Dear Fellow Collectors,
Hope you are all doing well!

I have added a significant number of specimens onto my prior sales list. All 
are small to micro specimens listed at excellent prices! Please PM me with your 
interest!

Specimens:

Warm Springs Wilderness, Arizona H4-6, 1.19g = $20
Tagounite 077 (provisional) probable-L3, 3.46g = $20
Mont Dieu, France iron-ung,  2.4g = $20
Success, Arkansas micro = $20
Burnwell, Kentucky H4-an, micro (hit a porch) = $50
Travis County (a), Texas H5, 10.7g = $40
Northbranch, Kansas H5, 2.49g = $15
Ouallen, Algeria H6 0.05g = $20
Summerfield, Texas L5, dust = $10
Summerfield, Texas L5, micro = $15
Saratov, Russia L4, x3 micros = $10 each micro
Dhofar 378 shergottite, 0.02g (TKW 15g) = $80
NWA 1068 shergottite x5 micro = $10 each micro
NWA 2626 shergottite, x4 micros = $10 each micro
NWA 6432 L5, 1.9g (individual) = $10
NWA 6432 L5, 1.0g (individual) = $5
NWA 7651 0.83g Eucrite-cm = $25
NWA 5316 H3.8, 1.76g = $35
NWA 7133 CO3.1, 0.7g = $20
NWA 2874 L3.8-L6, 2.7g = $10
NWA 5435 brachinite, 1.3g = $50
NWA 4301 enstatite achondrite-ung 0.6g (Zaklodzie-like) = $40
NWA 800 R4, x6 micros = $20 total
NWA 6279 iron-IIAB, 0.8g (prob-pairing) = $15

Polujamki, Russia H4 1.73g = $15
Bereba, Burkina Faso (vial w/ micros, fall) eucrite 0.057g = $30
Monze, Zambia (fall) L6 1.49g = 15
Stewart Valley 015, Nevada H6 0.4g = $10
Sultanpur, India (in a Nininger vial) multiple micros L/LL6 0.062g = $40
Campinorte, Brazil (shale) 6.7g = $14
Majuba, Nevada L5 0.3g = $15
NWA 2841 0.4g H3.9 = $20
Sahara 98094 2.87g H5 = $15
Imilac skeleton, Pal 1.2g = $10
Ban Cho Lae, Thailand H5 0.67g = $20
Juanita de Angeles, Mexico H5 1.54g = $12
Kunya-Urginch, Turkmenistan, H5 0.39g = $20
Battle Mountain, Nevada, L6 micro = $15
Wagon Mound, L6 1.1g = $12
NWA 801, CR2 1.5g individual = $35

Always open to offers, particularly if you are buying numerous specimens.

Shipping prices will depend on how many specimens are ordered:
US priority 8$
Europe and Canada 13$
Elsewhere in the world 18$

Thank you for looking!

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295
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[meteorite-list] Ad: Additional rare and hard to find specimens (free ad 1/1)

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Dear Fellow Collectors,
Hope you are all doing well!

I have added a significant number of specimens to my sales list. Falls, finds, 
unique classifications, rare localities, etc. all excellent specimens for your 
collection! Please take moment from your busy Monday to consider some specimens!

Contact me for photos! 

Specimens: (Edit: Sold specimens removed)

Full Slices:
NWA 12433 (part crust) eucrite 13.8g = $48
NWA 12433 (part crust) eucrite 8.7g = $30
NWA 7831 (translucent) 3.41g diogenite = $17

Small specimens:
Yucca/Buck Mountains, Arizona (Franconia field) H3-6 8.3g = $15
Yucca/Buck Mountains, Arizona (Franconia field) H3-6 2.4g = $10
Wickenburg, Arizona L6 1.66g = $10
Polujamki, Russia H4 1.73g = $15
Peace River, Canada (crusted, fall) L6 0.12g = $15
New Halfa, Sudan (crusted, fall) L4 2.8g = $30
Toufassour, Morocco mesosiderite 1g = 10
Bereba, Burkina Faso (vial w/ micros, fall) eucrite 0.057g = $35
Norton County, Kansas (w/ UNM number, fall) Aubrite 3.8g = $60
Tatahouine, Tunisia (fall) diogenite 2.5g = $10
Tatahouine, Tunisia (fall) diogenite 1.3g = $5
Vaca Muerta, Chile (olivine inclusion) 1.1g = $20
Vaca Muerta, Chile (eucrite inclusion) 5.2g = $30
Monze, Zambia (fall) L6 1.49g = 15
Bingol, Turkey (50% crusted fragment) howardite 1.55g = $62
Carbo, Mexico iron-IID micro = $10
Stewart Valley 015, Nevada H6 0.4g = $10
Sultanpur, India (in Nininger vial) multiple micros L/LL6 0.062g = $40
Chergach, Mali (fall) H5 2.8g = $15
Campinorte, Bemrazil (shale) 6.7g = $14
Santo Antonio do Descoberto, Brazil (Neumann lines) iron-IIAB 0.77g = $12
Majuba, Nevada L5 0.3g = $15
Palomas, Mexico 1.13g H4 = $12
Sandy Creek, Nevada L5 1g = $10
NWA 2841 0.4g H3.9 = $20
NWA 11358 1.7g CO3.6 = $30
NWA 11358 0.8g CO3.6 = $15
NWA 6827 0.57g CO3 = $12
NWA 6953 1.7g Mesosiderite = $20
NWA 10071 0.1g LL3.5 = $10
HaH 280 1.8g CK4 = $20
Sahara 98094 2.87g H5 = $15

Larger NWA x:
180g = $54
150g = $45

Previously listed, reduced prices!

Caldwell, Kansas, L-IMB 0.89 = $10
Imilac skeleton, Pal 1.2g = $10
Imilac skeleton, Pal 1.3g = $11
Imilac skeleton, Pal 1.7g = $14
Nogoya, Argentina, CM2 micro lot x3 specimens = $35
Ban Cho Lae, Thailand H5 0.67g = $20
Queretaro, Mexico, H4 0.75g = $12
Goronyo, Nigeria, H4 1.28g = $10
Palomas, Mexico, 1.13g = $12
Tirhert, Morocco, Euc x3 lot 1g total (x2 crusted) = $30
Tungsten Mountain 001, H4 (prob pair) 2.71g = $15
Juanita de Angeles, Mexico H5 1.54g = $12
Kunya-Urginch, Turkmenistan, H5 0.39g = $20
Battle Mountain, Nevada, L6 micro = $15
Toluca (oxide), 3.1g = $10
Wagon Mound, L6 1.1g = $12
Tamdakht, Morocco, H5 1.1g = $10
Durango, Mexico (oxide), 9.7g = $12
Seagraves (c), Texas H4 0.4g = $10
NWA 7273, LL6 (stunning breccia) 2.5g = $20
NWA 4473, Dio 0.4g (thin slice) = $12
NWA 801, CR2 1.5g individual = $35
 
Always open to offers, particularly if you are buying numerous specimens. 
 
Shipping prices will depend on how many specimens are ordered:
US priority 8$
Europe and Canada 13$
Elsewhere in the world 18$
 
Thank you for looking!
 
Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295
www.bigjohnmeteorites.com
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[meteorite-list] AD: Small meteorite specimens at great prices! (ad 12/12)

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Dear Fellow Collectors,
Hope you are all doing great!
 
Available today are an array of smaller specimens at highly attractive prices. 
Many of these are hard to find and somewhat obscure specimens, though many are 
very familiar. I have photos for all of these so please respond if there is 
something of interest.
 
Specimens:
Caldwell, Kansas, L-IMB 0.89 = $10
Imilac skeleton, Pal 1.2g = $16
Imilac skeleton, Pal 1.3g = $17
Imilac skeleton, Pal 1.7g = $22
Orgueil, France, CI1 micro lot, innumerable specimens = $70
Nogoya, Argentina, CM2 micro lot x3 specimens = $60
Muonionalusta, Sweden, iron-IVA 3.47g (thin shield shape) = $22
Kansas State University, Kansas, H4 0.72g = $20
Balcarce, Argentina, H4 2.77g = $16
Ban Cho Lae, Thailand H5 0.67g = $35
Gao-Guenie, Burkina Faso, H5 3.0g (100% crusted) = $15
Queretaro, Mexico, H4 0.75g = $15
Goronyo, Nigeria, H4 1.28g = $10
Palomas, Mexico, 1.13g = $15
Tirhert, Morocco, Euc x3 lot 1g total (x2 crusted) = $50
Tungsten Mountain 001, H4 (prob pair) 2.71g = $25
Juanita de Angeles, Mexico H5 1.54g = $15
Kunya-Urginch, Turkmenistan, H5 0.39g = $30
Battle Mountain, Nevada, L6 micro = $20
Toluca (oxide), 3.1g = $10
Bruderheim, Canada L6 1.28g (crusted!) = $50
Dhofar 2046, CM2-an (TKW 16.6g, 1 of 4 CM2-an available to collectors) 0.062 = 
$80
Mount Padbury, Meso-A1 4.10g = $35
Wagon Mound, L6 1.1g = $15
Tamdakht, Morocco, H5 1.1g = $10
Durango, Mexico (oxide), 9.7g = $15
Abbott, New Mexico w/ UNM number, H3-6 10.37g = $70
Seagraves (c), Texas H4 0.4g = $10
NWA 8171, Black Beauty, micro = $30
NWA 6355, Lun (Apollo rock composition) = $45
NWA 8577, CV3-ovide 3.08g = $25
NWA 4884, Lunar “mingled basalt-rich breccia” 0.104g = $80
NWA 7273, LL6 (stunning breccia) 2.5g = $40
NWA 4473, Dio 0.4g (thin slice) = $15
NWA 6423, CV3 1.92g = $10
NWA 801, CR2 1.5g individual = $60
Darwin Glass 10.7g = $10
Steinheim Shattercone, 24.7g = $20
 
Always open to offers, particularly if you are buying numerous specimens. 
 
Shipping prices will depend on how many specimens are ordered:
US priority 8$
Europe and Canada 13$
Elsewhere in the world 18$
 
Thank you for looking!
 
Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295
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[meteorite-list] Ad: Great deals on a variety of specimens (AD 11/12)

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Dear Fellow Collectors,

Available today at exceptional prices are some lovely specimens of meteorites, 
each one begging to be added to your collection.  Many will come with prior 
provenance (as indicted below) along with my own provenance.

Contact me for additional photos.

Shipping is 8$ Priority domestic USA, $13 first class international to Canada 
and Europe, $18 first class international elsewhere in the world.
 
Available specimens:
Sacramento Wash 001, Arizona, 12.5g full slice, H4 = $20

NWA 5400, 1.724g part slice, Ungrouped achondrite (the Earth-related 
meteorite), w/ Hupe provenance = $30

Dar El Kahal, Mali, 8.69g full slice, H5-6 with Big Kahuna provenance = $25

Aiquile, Bolivia, 6.37g fragment with minimal crust and dirt from impact, 
Michael Farmer provenance = $45

NWA 10274, 12g full slice, L5 with a massive shock vein = $40

Gold Basin, Arizona, 7.12g full slice, L4 = $20
Sahara 99270, 23.3g full slice, presumed H-chondrite, provenance card from Bob 
Haag’s website “meteorites.com” = $45

Morasko Poland, 35.3g cleaned oriented appearing individual, iron-IAB, 
provenance from Marcin at Polandmet = $35

Al Haggounia 001, 23.3g corner cut, EL3 enstatite chondrite = $35

NWA 7943, 14.52g full slice with huge surface area, polymict eucrite breccia = 
$45

Berduc, Argentina, 4.8g crusted individual w/ 99% crust = $45

Last but not least!

Lut 006, Iran, 1g part slice, LL3. Provenance in the form of emails from the 
classifying institution. = $100  Note: Iranian meteorite specimens are very 
rare on the market because hunting expeditions are restricted by the state, and 
the USA has Federal restrictions regarding items coming into America from Iran. 
This was acquired in trade from CML, who classified a number of Lut DCA 
specimens that found during expeditions conducted by the University of Tehran. 
I will provide emails documenting the trade for the buyer, and the case shown 
in the photos is from the lab, bearing their internal number.
 
Cheers!
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295
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[meteorite-list] Ad: Great deals on available specimens. (Ad 10/12)

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Dear Fellow Collectors,
I hope you are doing well today!

Now that Ensisheim is over you put what money you have left   ;-)  into some 
real bargains, right here...

Available today:
511g main mass of NWA 11915, an L4-6 with a stunning brecciated interior. = $250

78.9g main mass end cut of NWA 10311, an H5 with an attractive black glossy 
exterior. = $52

43g part end cut of NWA 1013, an provisional OC with beautiful scattered iron 
and a field marking labeling the specimen's name, from the original owner. $60

66.7g polished and etched full slice of Sericho, great surface area! = $135

0.277g specimen of the Harioura, India, CM2 fall from 6/6/2017 = $40

8.7g crusted full slice of NWA 11550, Monomict Eucrite. = $43

10.3g end cut of NWA 5363 (paired to NWA 5400). = $72

8.7g Oliver, Nebraska, with Huss number and Huss provenance. $51

9.68g specimen of Hope Creek, Alaska, LL6 = $50

12.8g full slice of Timbuktu, Mesosiderite = $90

17.16g full slice of Aba Panu, Nigeria, L3. = $88

Always open to offers! Contact me for photos.

Shipping via priority in USA is 8$. International is 13$ to Canada and Europe. 
18$ elsewhere in the world.

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295
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[meteorite-list] "Space Rocks" magazine, May 2017 issue

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Dear List,
Hope you are all well.

If anyone has a copy of the May, 2017 issue of Space Rocks Magazine that they 
are willing to lend/sell to me, please let me know. It contains an article 
regarding the Iron Creek meteorite which I wrote, but unfortunately I gave away 
all my copies to interested persons. I failed to save one for myself it seems...

The publisher is not making new issues, and has not responded to my emails. If 
nothing else I'd love to take photos of my completed article for my own use. 
Can pay shipping too and from if someone will at least lend me a copy.

Thanks!

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295
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[meteorite-list] AD: Cyber-Monday sale! (Ad: 12/12)

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Dear Fellow Collectors,

In celebration of Cyber-Monday I have dropped prices for most specimens on my 
webpage by as much as 30%!!

This includes specimens of:
Elbogen, now at impossibly low prices.
The main mass of NWA 11550, Monomict Eucrite.
Various memorabilia/ephemera of Meteor Crater, from the days of Nininger.

Still available are custom collectible specimen cases of El Taco, one of the 
famous masses of Campo del Cielo. Each case containing three shavings acquired 
from the labs of two prominent researchers on the topic of meteoritics, and El 
Taco in particular.

https://bigjohnmeteorites.com

I hope you have all had a great weekend!

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295
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[meteorite-list] AD: Vintage Meteor Crater Memorabilia (Ad 11/12)

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Dear Fellow Collectors,
Hope your week is off to a great start!
 
I have recently uploaded to the website some phenomenal vintage Meteor Crater 
memorabilia. All are in great condition and they are very hard to come by these 
days. They consist of the following:
 
Vintage Meteor Crater Ashtray
Vintage Meteor Crater Drinking Glass
Vintage Meteor Crater Salt or Pepper Shaker
Complete Set of Frasher’s Photo Cards of Meteor Crater
 
Additionally, I recently uploaded some former laboratory specimens of the 
famous El Taco mass of Campo del Cielo. These were sourced directly from a well 
published researcher who acquired them from one of the more prominent 
scientists on the topic of iron meteorites, and on El Taco in specific. A 
handful of these shavings have been arranged into custom displays which are now 
available for a very affordable price on my website.
 
https://bigjohnmeteorites.com
 
Please take a moment from your busy day to consider some of these unique 
collectibles for your own collection.
 
Cheers!
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295
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[meteorite-list] AD: Shavings from the El Taco mass of Campo del Cielo (Ad 10/12)

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Dear Meteorite Friends,
 
Hope you are all doing great today!
 
Recently I had the good fortune to acquire some former laboratory specimens of 
the famous El Taco mass of Campo del Cielo. These shavings were sourced 
directly from a well published researcher who acquired them from one of the 
more prominent scientists on the topic of iron meteorites, and on El Taco in 
specific. A handful of these shavings have been arranged into custom displays 
which are now available for a very affordable price on my website. J
 
https://bigjohnmeteorites.com
 
Prior to this, I have personally never seen specimens of El Taco for sale 
anywhere. Specimens of the named masses of more abundant historic irons like 
Campo, Canyon Diablo or Cape York are generally difficult to acquire. They are 
historic specimens, mostly in institutions, and they are generally not being 
studied any longer so there is no need to cut them for other institutional use. 
For these reasons finding a piece of (for example) “The Woman” mass of Cape 
York with provenance to verify it, is very difficult if not impossible. The 
same can be said for El Taco, an historic specimen that until today has been 
scarce (if not absent) in private collections.
 
As usual there are also an array of other specimens available on my webpage, 
not the least of them are some very affordable specimens of the legendary 
Elbogen iron. Famed for the many stories surrounding it, such as its ability to 
fly, or its creation by a witch who turned a cruel land owner into a hunk of 
iron, Elbogen is a gem of a specimen that is always cherished in a collection. 
It is worth every penny of the purchase price.
 
Please take a moment from your busy day to consider the specimens available on 
my site.
 
Cheers!
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295
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[meteorite-list] AD 9/12 fall specimens update

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Just an updated list regarding my fall specimen sale sent out this AM. 
Availability as noted below:

SOLD Buzzard Coulee 35g = $525, 95% crusted individual, very representative of 
the fall

SOLD Millbillillie 30.4g = $395, Red exterior with exemplary flowlines on this 
one.

SOLD Wiluna 40.9g = $369, 95% crusted individual, very representative of the 
fall. 

Gao-Guinie 74.3 = $105, Brownish black exterior with 99% crust coverage.

La Criolla 200g = $1995, An exceptional specimen with 99% crust that comes with 
Bob Haag provenance in the form of a handwritten letter.

Palca de Aparzo 49.3g = $2750, 95% crust. Scarce Argentinian fall. Very few 
specimens recovered. All specimens found a few years after the fall.

Tenham 50.25g = $1195, 99% crust, first Australian fall. A specimen this size 
and in this condition is hard to find these days.

SOLD Chergach 28.1g = $140, 99% crust, very representative of the fall.

Thank you!

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295

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[meteorite-list] AD: Hard to find fall specimens (ad 9/12)

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Dear Fellow Collectors,
Hope you are well!

In order to finish off my wedding sales I am putting some of my fall specimens 
up for sale. They are all 95-99% crusted specimens. All are as fresh as they 
can be given the circumstances of the fall and recovery of specimens.

(PLEASE NOTE: My computer is being repaired so I am unable to put these on my 
website for now. I can send you photos if you are interested.)

Buzzard Coulee 35g = $525, 95% crusted individual, very representative of the 
fall

Millbillillie 30.4g = $395, Complete specimen, red exterior with exemplary 
flowlines.

Wiluna 40.9g = $369, 95% crusted individual, very representative of the fall. 

Gao-Guinie 74.3 = $105, Brownish black exterior with 99% crust coverage.

La Criolla 200g = $1995, An exceptional specimen with 99% crust that comes with 
Bob Haag provenance in the form of a handwritten letter.

Palca de Aparzo 49.3g = $2750, 95% crust. Scarce Argentinian fall. Very few 
specimens recovered. All specimens found a few years after the fall.

Tenham 50.25g = $1195, 99% crust, first Australian fall. A specimen this size 
and in this condition is hard to find these days.

Chergach 28.1g = $140, 99% crust, very representative of the fall.

Some of these specimens you absolutely will not find the equal of on the market 
anymore. That being said, you know I am always flexible, and always open to 
offers.

Regardless of my computer being down, my website is still up and running. Many 
bargains available there including unbeatable prices on specimens of the fabled 
Elbogen meteorite. Do not hesitate to visit me at:

www.bigjohnmeteorites.com

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295
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Re: [meteorite-list] Michigan meteorite

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Absolutely agree Paul. 

Unless they can be verified by numerous independent eye witnesses, then stories 
like that are really no more verifiable than a child’s fantasies. 

Furthermore, since stories are unreliable, and it hasn’t been officially 
classified yet, I don’t see any reason why it could not be a transported 
specimen from another known find. For example, the Trenton irons from 
Wisconsin. Not very far from Michigan at all... I suppose time will tell though.

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295
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On 10/5/18 at 3:35 AM, Paul Gessler via Meteorite-list wrote:

> I saw this as a headline on CNN homepage
> It even had billing over Elon Musk and Kavanaugh when I saw it.
> 
> After reading the report on its being excavated in 1930 or thereabouts from 
> a crater after a loud crash and being warm to the touch etc.
> I had to laugh!
> Now if you had collected a freshly fallen Siderite moments after impact 
> would it look like it has been weathered for 10,000 years !
> No it wouldn't
> 
> I have no doubt about its authenticity but the story is far fetched
> 
> 
> Paul Gessler
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Jack Newport via Meteorite-list
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 1:00 AM
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Michigan meteorite
> 
> Hey list,
> 
> > A 22-pound rock that has been propping open a door in Michigan for decades 
> > turns out to be a meteorite valued at $100,000, according to Central 
> > Michigan University.
> 
> https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/04/us/meteorite-doorstop-michigan-trnd/index.html?no-st=1538726141
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Re: [meteorite-list] Test

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I sent an ad out a week ago that never made it to the list.
I feel your pain...

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295
www.bigjohnmeteorites.com

On 9/22/18 at 9:46 AM, Greg Hupe via Meteorite-list wrote:

> Testing, please ignore if not affected. Anyone else seeing delays of posts 
> or not getting posted at all?
> Sent 9/22/2018 10:46 AM
> 
> Best Regards,
> Greg
> 
> 
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[meteorite-list] Ad: Iron Creek and Elbogen specimens FS

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Dear Meteorite Friends,

Hope you are all well!

As a component of my ongoing “wedding sales” I have updated my website to 
include specimens of some rare historic irons and a lovely meteorite watch.

New on my site:

Iron Creek, Canada 1.15g – An exceptionally rare meteorite specimen from the 
Manitou stone of the Cree Indians from Saskatchewan.

Elbogen, Czech Republic – A selection of 10 specimens from one of the oldest 
and most legendary meteorites in history.

A Gibeon meteorite watch with titanium casing and band, at bargain price in 
used condition.

www.bigjohnmeteorites.com

As usual, excellent deals on the specimens listed previously at the site. 

Hope you are all having a great week!

Cheers!
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295
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[meteorite-list] AD: Marriage sale! Reduced prices!! (AD:7/12)

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Dear Meteorite Friends,

Hope you are all doing well. 

I’m getting married at the end of October so for the next 4-6 weeks I will be 
updating my website with numerous specimens that I have in my unlisted 
inventory. 

I have already DRASTICALLY REDUCED PRICES on what is currently present on my 
website, with reductions as large as 30-50% in order to move inventory along. 
Weddings aren’t cheap so it’s time to move some meteorites.  ;-)  

www.bigjohnmeteorites.com

Please take a moment from you relaxing Wednesday night to reconsider some 
specimens at significant deals!

More updates coming in the not too distant future.  :-) 

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295
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[meteorite-list] AD: New Eucrite and historic specimens added to website (Ad: 6/12)

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Dear Fellow Collectors,
 
Hope you are all well today.
 
My website has been updated to include a few historic fall and find specimens, 
as well as a lovely selection of monomict Eucrite breccia specimens. These are 
full slices cut from the main mass of the recently classified NWA 11550.
 
Additionally, prices have been dropped on New Halfa, Sudan fall specimens, and 
specimens of the Yunnan, China fall from 6/1/2018.
 
https://bigjohnmeteorites.com
 
Please take a moment from your day to consider adding a specimen to your 
collection.
 
Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295
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[meteorite-list] AD: Dropped prices on my website (Ad: 6/12)

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Dear Fellow Collectors,
Hope you are all doing great!
 
I recently dropped prices for the specimens on my webpage. These are excellent 
examples of rare meteorites.
 
https://bigjohnmeteorites.com
 
Yunnan, fall 6/1/2018 probable L6: A full slice and endcut of the latest 
Chinese fall available at literally the lowest price anywhere.
 
New Halfa, fall 11/8/1994 L4: Relatively large full slices of a poorly 
distributed fall from a difficult to acquire locality.
 
NWA 11805, Polymict Diogenite: Full slices of the main mass of this attractive 
HED specimen.
 
NWA 11359, L6: A very porous and highly recrystallized blue/grey chondrite. 
Full slices of a very interesting meteorite.
 
N’Goureyma, Mali iron-UN: One of the great oriented specimens in meteorite 
history and very rare in private collections as a result.
 
Last but not least, I have 115 of the large standard acrylic display cases with 
white poly-fill available for 2$ per case.
 
Please take a moment from your busy day to consider one of these unique 
meteorite specimens!
 
Hope you have a great weekend ahead of you!
 
Cheers!
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295
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[meteorite-list] Ad: Large acrylic padded boxes w/ white foam insert (ad 5/12)

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Dear Fellow Collectors,

Hope you are all doing good.

I recently got a shipment in of the 85 x 60 x 25mm acrylic padded boxes we 
frequently use with white foam inserts. I sold some to frequent customers prior 
to this ad, and have put the remaining available boxes up on my website. 

https://bigjohnmeteorites.com/product/large-85-x-60-x-25mm-acrylic-white-padded-box/

I can only sell what I have in stock for now, but if these sell out and you 
still wish to place an order, please contact me off list. I get shipments of 
these frequently and can fulfill your order sooner than later.

Additionally, I have a few remaining full slices of the Yunnan, China fall from 
6/1/2018, as well as a few beautiful slices of the New Halfa, Sudan fall from 
11/8/1994. New Halfa is very rare in private collections, so get one now while 
you still have the chance!

https://bigjohnmeteorites.com

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295
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[meteorite-list] AD: Yunnan, China 6/1/18 Fall, New Halfa, Sudan 11/8/94 Fall (Ad 4/12)

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Dear Meteorite Friends,
 
Hope you all have had a great start to your week!
 
I recently uploaded to my website a selection of slices from two noted 
meteorite falls.
 
First: The Yunnan, China fall of 6/1/18. The cut surface of this fall is quite 
lovely, more abundant in chondrules than you might expect for a probable L6. As 
far as I have seen, I am the only person listing slices of the Yunnan fall and 
there are only 5 on the site to pick from…
 
Second: The poorly distributed New Halfa, Sudan fall from 11/8/94. I can only 
account for less than 1kg of New Halfa in private collections so these 
relatively large specimens are very rare indeed.
 
https://bigjohnmeteorites.com
 
These are both beautiful and exceptional specimens that reveal an abundance of 
chondrules ready to appreciate grossly or through the loupe. Definitely worth 
adding to your collection.
 
If you are a fall collector then today is a very good day for you. :-)

Additionally I have a selection of Polymict Diogenite specimens still available 
which were cut from the main mass of NWA 11805.
 
Please take a moment from your busy day to see what is available on my site. 

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295
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Re: [meteorite-list] Toxic Giant Hogweed Spreading - Warning to Meteorite Collectors

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Giant Hogweed is definitely no joke.

I saw a child once in an ER who had lost sight in his left eye after getting 
the sap on his face. Also it’s very hard to get rid of if it’s growing on your 
property. An expensive clean out, like many invasive species.

A good one to watch out for when out hunting.

John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295




On 7/2/18 at 5:26 PM, Matson, Rob D. via Meteorite-list wrote:

> Hi Paul: that plant sounds like it was harvested from the planet in "The Way 
> to Eden"
> (Star Trek original series, season 3)... ;-)  --Rob
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On 
> Behalf Of Paul via Meteorite-list
> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 3:20 PM
> To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: EXTERNAL: [meteorite-list] Toxic Giant Hogweed Spreading - Warning 
> to Meteorite Collectors
> 
> Although the below article do not specifically mention
> meteorite collecting, it discusses a nasty, hazardous
> plant, that meteorite collectors and anyone either collecting,
> working or playing in the outdoors need to be aware of
> and avoid.
> 
> 'Horror Plant' causes 3rd-degree burns, blindness,
> is spreading in Upstate NY (photos)
> By Ben Axelson | baxel...@nyup.com June 26, 2018
> https://www.sciencealert.com/invasive-toxic-giant-hogweed-burns-skin-blindness-virginia-clarke-county
> https://www.newyorkupstate.com/expo/news/erry-2018/06/f2e509cfd11171/horror_plant_causes_3rddegree.html
> https://nypost.com/2018/06/17/this-plant-causes-3rd-degree-burns-permanent-blindness/
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

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I’d trust Jason’s opinion of a specimen over 99% of the collecting and selling 
population.

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295




On 6/25/18 at 9:30 PM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list wrote:

> Spoken by a true pioneer in self-pairing and piggy-backing,
> Anybody for any self-paired and piggy-backed Black Beauty?
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/25/2018 1:40 AM, Jason Utas via Meteorite-list wrote:
> 
> Please note that the slice pictured is NWA 3200, not NWA 860. Someone made a 
> mistake and “self-paired” two completely different iron meteorites. 
> 
> Jason
> 
> On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 1:00 AM Paul Swartz via Meteorite-list 
> mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com]>
>  wrote:
> Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: NWA 860
> 
> Contributed by: Bernd Pauli
> 
> http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=06/24/2018[http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=06/24/2018]
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[meteorite-list] AD: New Polymict Diogenite NWA 11805, slices FS (Ad: 3/12)

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Dear Fellow Collectors,
Hope you are all doing well after an enjoyable weekend.
 
Not long ago I was fortunate to acquire the main mass of NWA 11805, a recently 
classified Polymict Diogenite that was brought to classification by fellow IMCA 
member, Chris Colvin. I cut slices of the main mass and have listed some of 
this rare classification for sale on my website at an excellent price per gram.
 
https://bigjohnmeteorites.com
 
It is a complex and stunning specimen with a delightful smattering of 
orthopyroxene clasts situated within a complete breccia composed of diogenitic 
mineral debris, microgabbroic eucrite and lithic diogenite clasts. This is a 
truly excellent specimen to study under the loupe.
 
Please take a moment from your busy Monday to check out the deal on this 
attractive classification.
 
Cheers!
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295
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[meteorite-list] AD: Rare Tarahumara, Mexico, Iron IIE Meteorite for sale (Ad: 2/12)

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Dear Fellow Collectors,
 
Hope you are all doing great!
 
Well it looks like the Ensisheim show is starting early. Why, you say…? Because 
here and now is your chance to get a specimen of an exceptionally rare 
silicated iron meteorite, Tarahumara, Mexico. Four specimens have been added to 
my website (see address below) and they all are good representative part slices 
of this rare IIE classification.
 
https://bigjohnmeteorites.com
 
Furthermore, if you’re going to Ensisheim for bargains, then start your hunt 
right here because I’ve lowered prices on many of the other specimens on my 
webpage. This makes for unbeatable deals on other rare specimens, like my last 
slice of the recently classified sHL sub-group iron meteorite from the hot 
desert.
 
Please take a moment from your relaxing Sunday to check out some of the 
specimens.
 
Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295
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[meteorite-list] Ad: Reduced prices on my website (Ad: 1/12)

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Dear Fellow Collectors,

Happy Monday!

What better way to start off your week than to acquire a few meteorite 
specimens at truly great prices.

In an effort to clear some inventory for the forthcoming update of my webpage I 
have dropped prices on nearly every specimen on the page. Some of these prices 
are simply no brainers for people who are interested in a rare classification, 
a hard to find historic specimen, or a quality individual from the hot dessert.

Please follow the link below to check out the bargains.

https://bigjohnmeteorites.com

Hope you all have a great week ahead of you!

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295
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Re: [meteorite-list] Roman Meteorite Coins

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Almost certainly lost to history, Yinan.

There is one ancient baeytl still around that is not of Roman origin, but 
instead Islamic. That being the Black Stone of Mecca, also called the Al-Hajaru 
al-Aswad. Some have suggested it is a meteorite. Of course no testing has been 
done to verify this...

http://www.ancient-origins.net/artifacts-other-artifacts/kaaba-black-stone-holy-stone-outer-space-003661

Given the locality, I wouldn’t put it past the realm of possibility. Even in 
that region though, after 1000+ years without appropriate climate control, any 
iron bearing meteorite specimen would certainly no longer appear as black as 
the Al-Hajaru does. 

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295
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On 4/16/18 at 9:18 AM, Yinan via Meteorite-list wrote:

> Hmm, I wonder what happened to the meteorites and sacred stones depicted in 
> the coins. Sounds like the main one, the stone of Emesa, was probably 
> returned to Emesa after the emperor died. Lost in History I guess. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Apr 16, 2018, at 9:52 AM, Michael Blood via Meteorite-list 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Thanks much to both John and to Volker,
> > 
> > The Pip Burns site was the one I remembered, but the Midwest Meteorites
> > Site is a Killer source, too.
> > 
> > Thanks to you both,
> > Michael
> > 
> >> On Apr 16, 2018, at 6:25 AM, Bigjohn Shea  wrote:
> >> 
> >> I think you may be referring to this Michael.
> >> 
> >> http://www.meteorman.org/Meteorite_Coin.htm
> >> 
> >> Cheers!
> >> John A. Shea, MD
> >> IMCA 3295
> >> www.bigjohnmeteorites.com
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
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> >>> On 4/16/18 at 8:21 AM, Michael Blood via Meteorite-list wrote:
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> >>> Hi all,
> >>> 
> >>>There used to be a person on the list with a website that had a page
> >>> Of ancient Roman meteorite coins and their descriptions. Since my computer
> >>> Crash, his site is no longer in my bookmarks.
> >>> 
> >>>Can anyone tell me who it is and the website URL?
> >>> 
> >>>Thanks, Michael Blood
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Re: [meteorite-list] Roman Meteorite Coins

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

I think you may be referring to this Michael.

http://www.meteorman.org/Meteorite_Coin.htm

Cheers!
John A. Shea, MD
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> Hi all,
> 
>   There used to be a person on the list with a website that had a page
> Of ancient Roman meteorite coins and their descriptions. Since my computer
> Crash, his site is no longer in my bookmarks.
> 
>   Can anyone tell me who it is and the website URL?
> 
>   Thanks, Michael Blood
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[meteorite-list] AD: Rare NWA iron subgroup, rare USA meteorites FS (Ad: 12/12)

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Dear Fellow Collectors,
 
Hope you are all doing well this week.
 
I recently updated my website to include some great specimens of a rare NWA 
iron subgroup, some very hard to find US meteorite specimens, a newly 
classified small NWA eucrite and a few lovely NWA unclassified stone specimens. 
Please follow the link below:
 
https://bigjohnmeteorites.com
 
Additionally, there are a handful of other meteorite specimens listed on my 
site, including some slices of the highly recrystallized and porous NWA 11359, 
a true rarity of a specimen with a very crystalline appearance. Truly a unique 
specimen…
 
Please take a moment from your busy day to consider adding a few specimens of 
these unique meteorites to your collection.
 
Cheers!
John A. Shea, MD
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[meteorite-list] Ad: Unique specimens on my website (AD 11/12)

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Dear Fellow Collectors,
Hope you are all doing well.
 
If you're looking for a truly unique meteorite specimen to add to your 
collection, NWA 11359 is the one. 
 
This is a very strange L6 with a moderate shock stage and very little 
weathering. It is unique among the huge L6 classification due to a highly 
porous matrix that is set within a heavily recrystallized meteorite. The whole 
thing has a very crystalline or gem-like feeling to it with a subtle grayish 
blue/green coloration. A selection of slices are available here on my website. 
 
https://bigjohnmeteorites.com

Additionally, the new Niger impact melt we have all seen recently is very 
attractive on the outside, but on the inside it is truly exceptional. Hidden 
within its black matrix is a wonderland of metal flakes and inclusions, 
scattered amidst an appreciable quantity of small chondrules. When slices are 
polished at 3000 grit, it is gorgeous.
 
Of note to the NWA collector, I have two hefty slices available from a ~900g 
probable pairing to NWA 8524. This is a relatively weathered but attractive 
LL4-6 breccia with a great orange/yellow interior containing big, eye catching 
breccia inclusions of various colors and some relatively large bits of iron.

Please take a moment from your relaxing Sunday to consider adding a few of 
these interesting specimens for your collection.
 
Thank you for looking!
Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
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Re: [meteorite-list] Awesome Shock Melted (NWA 6963) Martian Specimens

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Dear Art,
Hope you are well.

I formally request that I be made a “Moderator” for the Metlist, so that there 
is SOMEONE, who can put an end to this back and forth bickering when it gets 
out of hand. Which it has in this scenario...

I have extensive experience as an Administrator for both the “Meteorites” page 
on facebook, and the “Is it a Meteorite” page at the same online venue, for 
numerous years now.

Most Sincerely,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295







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On 3/19/18 at 4:51 PM, Jason Utas wrote:

> I've sold some of those pieces of NWA 7034 to NASA, scientists in Japan,
> Europe, etc., etc., etc.  They were all happy to get NWA 7034 at 1/4 the
> price of what some other dealers were asking.  And, just like Ruben's NWA
> 6963, it was all real.
> 
> At the end of the day, that's what you're fighting for.  Artificially
> inflated values like those fostered by the GIA.  Makes sense when you're
> sitting on kilograms of a Lunar and prices have tanked.   Transparent.
> 
> Your response to a relevant point with repeated personal attacks that
> change tune every time I refute them is, frankly, pathetic.  Grow up.
> 
> Glad you finally conceded that the rules are the rules, and that neither
> you, nor the Nomenclature Committee, enforce them.  Hopefully this can be
> dropped on the list.
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 11:50 AM, Adam Hupe 
> wrote:
> 
> > Jason
> >
> > Complain to the Meteoritical Society if you actually think they will
> > listen given your reputation.   Congratulations you were one of the first
> > to self-pair a key planetary meteorite which has not gone unnoticed by your
> > peers.
> >
> > All my meteorites are official so I sleep fine at night.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 3/19/2018 11:09 AM, Jason Utas wrote:
> >
> > "Two or more newly discovered meteorites in dense collection areas may be
> > considered paired with each other or with another formally named meteorite
> > if there is overwhelming evidence, including geographic data that are
> > consistent with the meteorites being part of a single fall. The evidence
> > must be evaluated by the Committee. All approved members of a pairing group
> > will be named with a geographic prefix plus a number in the same way as are
> > unpaired meteorites; special type-specimen requirements will apply to newly
> > paired meteorites (§7.1g). If two or more numbered meteorites with formal
> > names are subsequently determined to be paired, their names should not be
> > changed."
> >
> > The rules are the rules.  All you've established in this thread is that
> > "the scientists" sometimes break the rules.  You've broken the rules.  And
> > you're somehow, for reasons I cannot fathom, demanding that everyone else
> > must actually follow them.
> >
> > You're a bleeding hypocrite.
> >
> > It is what it is.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 1:29 AM, Adam Hupe  > > wrote:
> >
> >> And one more thing, I see you were deliberate in trying to start multiple
> >> arguments by forwarding these messages.  I reply all since you felt is
> >> necessary to include others.
> >>
> >> Interesting, I can debate for months but I find your responses so silly
> >> as to not be taken too seriously.
> >>
> >> Perhaps you should join the debate team at UCLA to brush up on your
> >> skills.
> >>
> >> LMAO
> >>
> >> Adam
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 3/19/2018 12:10 AM, Jason Utas wrote:
> >>
> >> Oh, right.  Now I'm on medication of some kind.  I'll call you on this:
> >> please provide evidence.
> >>
> >> Oh, that's right.  There isn't and can't be any.  I'm not on any
> >> medication of any kind, prescription or otherwise.  I'd take low-dose
> >> aspirin, but I donate platelets every month or so, and they advised me not
> >> to.
> >>
> >> This is the kind of shit I'm talking about.  You don't like where the
> >> thread is going?  Throw out baseless lies.  Great strategy.
> >>
> >> I cited all of my claims, and any of your *former* friends can
> >> corroborate everything I just said about the IMCA.  There's a reason you
> >> don't have any friends left on the meteorite-list.  At the end of the day,
> >> you're talking shit about me for quoting rules at you and pointing out that
> >> what you and others have done did not agree with them.  That's not
> >> "badmouthing" anyone.  It's stating facts.
> >>
> >> Your lawsuit with Mani was thrown out.  Even the impartial arm of the
> >> American Judicial System says you're full of shit.  I hope you enjoyed
> >> paying that retainer.
> >>
> >> I didn't even say you were insane.  One of your fellow
> >> then-IMCA-board-members did.
> >>
> >> https://aeon.co/essays/so-you-re-surrounded-by-idiots-guess-
> >> who-the-real-jerk-is
> >>
> >> Cut your losses.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 10:58 PM, Adam Hupe <
> >> raremeteori...@centurylink.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Jason,
> >>>
> >>> Insane?  I am not the person who takes medications 

Re: [meteorite-list] Questions About NWA 7034,

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

“You, a thief, admitted by yourself, to stealing by claiming a pairing number 
to John Higgins material.  Mr. Higgins likely paid several hundreds of dollars 
to have it studied and the grams donated as a type specimen.”

Seriously...?
This is why he’s a “thief”? Because he self-paired some specimens to a 
meteorite that Higgins had classified?

This is a joke, right? 

How about every merchant who ever self-paired a specimen to NWA 869? How about 
every merchant who ever self-paired a specimen to Taza? How about every hunter 
who self-pairs a specimen to a DCA in the US deserts? How about every merchant 
who bought a bunch of NWA 6963 that was self-paired in Tucson this year, and 
just listed it for sale on ebay? 

Are these people all thieves too? Someone somewhere payed for all those 
classifications and gave up the material for the type specimen, just like John 
Higgins did.

Reign in your attitudes everyone. You don’t get to call someone a thief for 
doing what many MANY other known merchants do every single day.

John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295





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On 3/13/18 at 7:37 PM, drtanuki via Meteorite-list wrote:

> Dear Mr. Nourddine Azelmat, (Adam, John Higgins, and John MD,
> 
>   Nourddine, 
> I have now received FOUR copies of your same message as below.  A person that 
> posts the same message four times? And it is the truth???  Your honor and 
> truth diminished after the second post- now four.
> 
> Mr. John Higgins is a very honorable meteorite dealer. He would not lie about 
> dealings with you.
> 
> You, a thief, admitted by yourself, to stealing by claiming a pairing number 
> to John Higgins material.  Mr. Higgins likely paid several hundreds of 
> dollars to have it studied and the grams donated as a type specimen.  
> 
> Please do not reply on list as I cannot bear reading your message another 
> four times.
> Good day. 
> Dirk Ross...Tokyo
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: nourddine azelmat via Meteorite-list 
> 
> To: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 
>  
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 5:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Questions About NWA 7034,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dear John/Adam/List,
> 
> I am greatly saddened to be dragged into what I can only assume is
> 'politically' motivated debate. 
> For my part, I have never heard of this 3KG of Black Beauty, and it is
> frankly farcical to suggest I am part of a conspiracy to keep this off
> market.
> The linking of my few grams, as evidence of a secret cache of Black Beauty
> is at best delusional.
> 
> I have been dealing in meteorites for a number of years and recently on ebay
> where my feedback is 99 percent positive (only negative was someone wanted a
> certificate of authenticity that was never mentioned in the listing).
> 
> My 3g (please note not KG) of BB came from hunters I have known for years
> and I trust absolutely. The material was found in November 2017 in the Sbita
> area " known strewn field of black beauty" and the balance of the parcel was
> sold to a dealer in Belgium. 
> 
> As with the majority of non NWA XXX meteorites I sell, a fragment of my
> material was recently sent to the LFP lab in Germany for analysis (not
> classification) and should it prove to be anything other than BB, I would
> give a full refund. Frankly, given my knowledge and trust of the hunters,
> the probability that they have defrauded me is zero.
> 
> This list has seen the drama of bad US dealers, bad Moroccan dealers, family
> rifts and petty squabbles played out ad-nauseum. However, its use to damage
> people who are doing their absolute best to build a good business is in my
> opinion at least, immensely sad and nothing more than playground bullying. 
> 
> I have many customers who have purchased multiple from me and several have
> become genuine friends, it is that aspect of this community which I love,
> sadly there is a Janus Face to this community.
> 
> John Higgins is angry with me for selling pieces of the Tindouf, Algerian
> Lunar and calling them 'paired NWA 10265' - which is his classification for
> this material. There is zero debate my material is the Algerian Lunar but I
> simply used one of the many many classification numbers associated with it.
> Hands up, I should have just called it Tindouf, Algerian Lunar,  but it is
> utterly wrong to suggest this was an attempt to defraud anyone. Claiming a
> specific classification of the same material is more 'special' than all the
> generic Tindouf material it all represents, is a far greater
> misrepresentation in my opinion.
> 
> I am neither part of an evil conspiracy to keep BB off the market or a bad
> player, I just am trying to make a living and build a long term client 
> business in a field I love.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Questions About NWA 7034, "Black Beauty" Pairing

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Quite the Witch hunt “brewing” here...

I won’t pretend to have all the information about everyone’s issues with this 
seller, but if there’s a legit gripe between two IMCA members concerning 
something as sincere as fraud, then the metlist is certainly not the place to 
deal with it.

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295




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On 3/13/18 at 9:45 AM, Gary Fujihara via Meteorite-list wrote:

> I would like to know how this person got to be an IMCA member, and more 
> importantly how and why he still remains one after all these incidences of 
> misrepresentation and fraud have occurred?
> 
> Sent from Gary's iPhone
> 
> > On Mar 13, 2018, at 3:08 AM, John higgins via Meteorite-list 
> > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Last time I checked the wholesale price of Black Beauty has always stayed 
> > above $1000 per gram, any rumors of a stone being sold as Black Beauty for 
> > $100 is likely a fake, just a fantasy.
> > 
> > And I have proven in the past that this seller in question is self pairing 
> > and making illegimitate claims. Read my facebook posts, all the facts of my 
> > experience with him cheating me are there, he should not be given any 
> > credit. This is a big fleece taking place here. You are a sucker for 
> > supporting and entertaining this.
> > 
> > Martians especially Black Beauty likely pairings should always be verified. 
> > Labs do have the time and manpower for planetary meteorites and yes it's up 
> > to you especially as the seller to verify. If you do not verify by lab, and 
> > your intent is to sell, you are destroying the integrity of the market 
> > place and looking to make a quick buck off another's hard work. There is a 
> > unspoken code here that forbids this illegitimate practice. The new 
> > generation of collectors are educated and they disdain any seller 
> > participating in any such sales. No more excuses.
> > 
> > John Higgins
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Monday, March 12, 2018, 11:40:03 AM EDT, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list 
> > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I have bought from the seller in question numerous times. He is very 
> > reliable, after at least a dozen transactions...
> > 
> > As to whether or not people are willing to buy specimens that cost as much 
> > as Black Beauty under the advertisement of a probable pairing, it is 
> > entirely up to the buyer.
> > 
> > This is a topic that has been discussed to death. Probable pairings are 
> > simply that, “probable” based on the knowledge of the seller, and the 
> > extent to which the buyer trusts them. Labs have neither the time nor the 
> > manpower to verify every specimen of every meteorite that gets sold. As a 
> > result, the trust between buyer and seller is what is most important when 
> > buying probable pairings.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > John A. Shea, MD
> > IMCA 3295
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Sent using the mail.com mail app
> > 
> >> On 3/12/18 at 10:08 AM, Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list wrote:
> >> 
> >> List, Interesting Ebay  listing. The seller shows an IMCA number 5743 and 
> >> guarantees authenticity with a certificate. Is that OK with the IMCA if a 
> >> lab has not certified it? 
> >> Carl
> >> --
> >> Love & Life
> >> 
> >>  Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> 
> >> wrote: 
> >>> It looks like the Moroccans are letting out a little bit at time of this 
> >> one.  Let a small amount out, find out what it is and what it goes for 
> >> on the market, and then slowly release all of the pairings.  The only 
> >> exception is if multiple parties in Morocco get a hold of the same 
> >> material, at the same time; Then it is dumped as quickly as possible as 
> >> is the case with the new "lunar" with similar looking terrestrial 
> >> breccia mixed in for extra profit.  There is no crust so few collectors, 
> >> and some dealers for that matter, can't tell the difference.
> >> 
> >> A List member was kind enough to point out one example of many untested 
> >> fragments of "Black Beauty" being offered on eBay directly from Morocco. 
> >>   He claims he was offered the 3 Kilo piece over a year ago but they 
> >> refused to break it down into more affordable pieces at $100.00/gram. 
> >> They are content selling smaller untested pieces for 10 times 

Re: [meteorite-list] Questions About NWA 7034, "Black Beauty" Pairing

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

I have bought from the seller in question numerous times. He is very reliable, 
after at least a dozen transactions...

As to whether or not people are willing to buy specimens that cost as much as 
Black Beauty under the advertisement of a probable pairing, it is entirely up 
to the buyer.

This is a topic that has been discussed to death. Probable pairings are simply 
that, “probable” based on the knowledge of the seller, and the extent to which 
the buyer trusts them. Labs have neither the time nor the manpower to verify 
every specimen of every meteorite that gets sold. As a result, the trust 
between buyer and seller is what is most important when buying probable 
pairings.

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295





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On 3/12/18 at 10:08 AM, Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list wrote:

> List, Interesting Ebay  listing. The seller shows an IMCA number 5743 and 
> guarantees authenticity with a certificate. Is that OK with the IMCA if a lab 
> has not certified it? 
> Carl
> --
> Love & Life
> 
>  Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list  
> wrote: 
> > It looks like the Moroccans are letting out a little bit at time of this 
> one.  Let a small amount out, find out what it is and what it goes for 
> on the market, and then slowly release all of the pairings.  The only 
> exception is if multiple parties in Morocco get a hold of the same 
> material, at the same time; Then it is dumped as quickly as possible as 
> is the case with the new "lunar" with similar looking terrestrial 
> breccia mixed in for extra profit.  There is no crust so few collectors, 
> and some dealers for that matter, can't tell the difference.
> 
> A List member was kind enough to point out one example of many untested 
> fragments of "Black Beauty" being offered on eBay directly from Morocco. 
>   He claims he was offered the 3 Kilo piece over a year ago but they 
> refused to break it down into more affordable pieces at $100.00/gram. 
> They are content selling smaller untested pieces for 10 times this amount.
> 
> Rarest Old Basaltic Breccia Martian meteorite 0.31g http://r.ebay.com/ZgE79Q
> 
> I refuse to play games with them.  If a few dealers want to buy two 
> thirds of the big stone, I would be interested in the other third.
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/9/2018 3:53 PM, Graham Ensor wrote:
> > I was told it is mythical.
> > 
> > On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 6:06 PM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
> >  > > wrote:
> > 
> > Does anybody know the disposition of the 3 kilogram plus pairing to
> > NWA 7034, the Basaltic Martian Breccia sometimes referred to as
> > "Black Beauty?"  Has it been been cut yet?  Has a laboratory
> > analyzed it or is it just another self-paired stone? $300,000.00 or
> > $100.00/gram for the entire stone is a bit much but I would be
> > interested in a kilogram at this price if it has been confirmed in a
> > laboratory and is available.
> > 
> > I was hoping it would have shown up cut in Tucson but I did not hear
> > anything more about it so canceled any thoughts of going to the show
> > last month.
> > 
> > Any info would be greatly appreciated,
> > 
> > Adam
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[meteorite-list] Ad: Unique specimens added to website! (Ad 10/12)

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Dear Fellow Collectors,
Hope you are all doing well
 
A handful of very interesting meteorite specimens have been added to my website.
 
First among them, NWA 11359. This is a very strange L6 S2 W1. It is unique 
among the L6 classification due to a highly porous matrix that is set within a 
heavily recrystallized meteorite. The whole thing has a very crystalline or gem 
like feeling to it with a subtle grayish blue/green coloration. A selection of 
slices are available.
 
Second, the new Niger impact melt we have all seen recently is very attractive 
on the outside, but on the inside it is truly exceptional. Hidden within its 
black matrix is a wonderland of metal flakes and inclusions, scattered amidst 
an appreciable quantity of small chondrules. When slices are polished at 3000 
grit, it is gorgeous.
 
Last but not least, two slices from a ~900g probable pairing to NWA 8524. This 
is an LL4-6 breccia with an attractive orange and yellow interior containing 
big course breccia inclusions of various colors, and some relatively large bits 
of iron.
 
Please take a moment from your relaxing weekend to consider a few of these 
interesting specimens for your collection.
 
https://bigjohnmeteorites.com
 
Much of the older content that was on my site has been removed, but there are 
still some great NWA x specimens, as well as a handful of historic, planetary 
and carbonaceous specimens available.
 
Thank you for looking!
Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295

 
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Re: [meteorite-list] interstellar meteorite anyone?

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

We’re much too busy building bigger badder weapons and trying to cure male 
pattern baldness, Carl.  ;-) 

Damn shame for sure...
John


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On 3/7/18 at 2:43 PM, Carl Agee via Meteorite-list wrote:

> It is regrettable that Earthlings are not technologically advanced
> enough to intercept and sample interstellar objects like `Oumuamua
> which entered our solar system on a hyperbolic orbit and is now gone
> forever. What a missed opportunity!
> 
> Carl
> *
> Carl B. Agee
> President, Consortium for Materials Properties Research in Earth
> Sciences (COMPRES)
> Director, Institute of Meteoritics
> Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
> MSC03 2050
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> 
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:22 PM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list
> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> > There are none we know of.
> >
> > https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newscientist.com/article/2100887-canadian-meteorite-may-be-first-visitor-from-the-kuiper-belt/amp/
> >
> > That article speculates that Tagish Lake might have originated from the 
> > Kuiper Belt, but there is no way to confirm even that.
> >
> > Maybe someday Voyager will send us back a useful bit of data that somehow 
> > can connect a specimen to an interstellar source.  ;-)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > John A. Shea, MD
> > IMCA 3295
> >
> >
> >
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> > On 3/7/18 at 1:45 PM, matija bericic via Meteorite-list wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >> Does any of you maybe have in possession interstellar meteorite?
> >> Thanks,
> >> Matija
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Re: [meteorite-list] interstellar meteorite anyone?

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There are none we know of.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newscientist.com/article/2100887-canadian-meteorite-may-be-first-visitor-from-the-kuiper-belt/amp/

That article speculates that Tagish Lake might have originated from the Kuiper 
Belt, but there is no way to confirm even that.

Maybe someday Voyager will send us back a useful bit of data that somehow can 
connect a specimen to an interstellar source.  ;-) 

Cheers,
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> Does any of you maybe have in possession interstellar meteorite?
> Thanks,
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Re: [meteorite-list] First meteorite identified Japan in 15 years

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Additionally, the article is somewhat misleading on the actual appearance of the specimen. The MetBul listing for the meteorite describes it more appropriately as being brown and rusted. 

 

https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea==namescontains=50=ge==Japan=name=All=All===0=Normal%20table=66476

 

Cheers!

John

 

 

 

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One hundred years laying outdoors in that humid climate and it's still "black and gleaming"? Wouldn't it have rusted?

 
On 1 March 2018 at 21:49, Tommy via Meteorite-list  wrote:

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20180301_27/

Regards!

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Re: [meteorite-list] First meteorite identified Japan in 15 years

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Alfredo,

I would agree that what the article stated was slightly misleading, but this is not the same meteorite as the one that is mentioned to have fallen 100 years before. They were just including that bit of information in the story as a nidus for the owner's interest in getting the specimen looked at by institutions. 

Cheers,

John 

 

 

 

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One hundred years laying outdoors in that humid climate and it's still "black and gleaming"? Wouldn't it have rusted?

 
On 1 March 2018 at 21:49, Tommy via Meteorite-list  wrote:

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20180301_27/

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Re: [meteorite-list] First meteorite identified Japan in 15 years

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https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea==namescontains=50=ge==Japan=name=All=All===0=Normal%20table=66476
 
The MetBull for that specimen.
 
Thanks for the article Tom!
 
Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
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https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20180301_27/

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[meteorite-list] Camp Verde meteorite (transported Canyon Diablo)

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Dear Fellow Collectors,
Hope you are all well.
 
Simple question for you all, not looking to buy or sell anything with this:
 
If you have, or ever have had, a specimen of the “Camp Verde” meteorite (one of 
the “transported” Canyon Diablo specimens) in your collection, please take a 
moment to respond to this message off-list so that I can ask you a few quick 
questions.
 
Thank you very much for your time!
 
Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
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[meteorite-list] AD: Dropped prices on specimens! (Ad 9/12)

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Dear Fellow Collectors,

Hope you are all doing great!

Sent this earlier this morning but never saw it pop up on the list. Apologies 
if this is a repeat...

I’m planning an update to my website soon and in an effort to clear some 
inventory I have dropped prices on the majority of the specimens listed there. 
Some of these specimens I’ve had up for a good long while, and if they don’t 
sell before the update I’ll be removing most of them from the website to make 
room for new content. 

https://bigjohnmeteorites.com

At the above link you will find a variety of hard to find NWA specimens, rare 
historic specimens, new slices of rare CO classifications, specimens of new 
falls, etc. There is a little something for nearly every type of collector.

Please take a moment from your relaxing weekend to consider adding some 
interesting specimens to your collection.

Cheers!
John A. Shea, MD
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Re: [meteorite-list] Howdy list

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Rick,
Hope you are well.

Like many meteorites that are more abundant (and therefor tend to drive prices 
down) the rarity of more desirable features on such specimens is what justifies 
a premium for a singular specimen. For this reason I agree that the specimen 
you described would certainly sell at a premium. I don't personally think 10$/g 
would be entirely unrealistic for it, though it may be hard though to find a 
buyer for it depending on who you know...

The specimen you describe sounds like a nearly perfect example of an SA, though 
I would say it could be one step closer to perfect if it had a label on it from 
the Soviet Academy of Sciences, and came with some other old provenance card 
from a prestigious European collection. I've seen an 80g, somewhat mundane 
specimen of SA sell for 25$/g due to having a label from the SAS on it.

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
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> Good morning List!  
> 
> On this Sikhote Alin birthday, I have a question regarding rarity and general 
> value.  I have a friend who owns a larger (~1500gr+) oriented, transitional 
> individual with regmaglyphs, external crystalline structure, flow lines, 
> prominent roll-over lipping and most striking of all, complete natural 
> patina.  I suggested to him that this combination of characters was quite 
> unusual, and if he were ever to sell it, it should be valued higher than most 
> at that weight.
> 
> Unfortunately, I don’t have a picture but can easily have him send one to me. 
>  (It’s not for sale...this is not an ad), but any opinion is welcome.  I have 
> seen them from $5/gram to 10$/gr (high!!), but very few with natural patina.  
>  Thanks in advance.
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD -Auctions Ending Tonight and Tomorrow

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

And you seem to think that you can hide behind "the rules" while you insult 
people. 

Sorry. You cannot...

As for NWA 5000,
NWA 5000 is certainly an attractive meteorite (when the cut is large enough to 
see it), and it goes without saying that the main mass was a very big lunar 
indeed. 

However, beauty and size do not matter much to scientists who study most 
everything at the molecular and microscopic levels (and who have studied this 
to death) and while beauty is important to collectors, it is mostly absent in 
nearly any sub-gram specimen of NWA 5000, which are the only truly affordable 
specimens for the average collector.

So sorry to say it, but the endless hype about it being "legendary" and "the 
highest rated lunar in the world" gets really tired after a while...

Oh and some open questions to the list:

Highest rated by what scale? What organization? What true standard for "rating" 
meteorites even exists? FYI, there is none...  ;-)

Legendary by comparison to Allende? Murchison? Orguiel? Cape York? Sorry... NWA 
5000 doesn't hold a candle to the real legends of meteorite history.

Last buy not least, my medical doctorate is very real. Much more so than the 
"legendary" status NWA 5000.   ;-)

Gotta get back to balancing room 2103's sodium now, so this will be my last 
response to you, Adam.

Goodbye.  



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On 2/7/18 at 12:25 PM, Adam Hupe wrote:

> Posting private messages to the List is against the rules but a 
> know-it-all, 3.0er, self-appointed List sheriff and a "M.D." like 
> yourself should have knowledge of this.
> 
> Your jealousy of NWA 5000 is unbecoming,
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2/7/2018 10:20 AM, Bigjohn Shea wrote:
> > Adam,
> > You have been told in the past that when you send me these "private" emails 
> > insulting me, they will be forwarded to the list. Everyone can see your 
> > crude response below if they choose to.
> > 
> > I would recommend you hold your tongue from now on or you will only 
> > embarrass yourself further.
> > 
> > Sincerely,
> > John A. Shea, MD
> > IMCA 3295
> > 
> > 
> > On 2/7/18 at 12:03 PM, Adam Hupe wrote:
> > 
> >> Everybody, who has been around for awhile, sees you as the village idiot
> >> and a clueless 3.0 level newbie.
> >>
> >> On 2/7/2018 7:49 AM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list wrote:
> >>> "The low estimate is $1,500/g (before commission). While the reserve is 
> >>> far lower still..."
> >>>
> >>> Thank you, Darryl.
> >>> Glad someone else said it. I would have pointed it out myself but I 
> >>> already get enough blowback and crudeness from Adam via his unwelcome 
> >>> "private" messages to my email here...
> >>>
> >>> John A. Shea, MD
> >>> IMCA 3295
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent using the mail.com mail app
> >>>
> >>> On 2/7/18 at 9:05 AM, Darryl Pitt via Meteorite-list wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Clarification is required.  The low estimate is $1,500/g (before 
> >>>> commission).
> >>>>
> >>>> While the reserve is far lower still, NWA 5000 is indeed the preeminent 
> >>>> lunar meteorite of our time.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Feb 6, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
> >>>>> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dear List Members,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It has been a few months since I have advertised to this forum.  I have 
> >>>>> some NWA 5000 lunar meteorite specimen auctions ending tonight and 
> >>>>> tomorrow evening.  They were started at just 99 cents with no reserve.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You may want to check out the estimated price per gram on next months 
> >>>>> Christie's premier meteorite auction.  At $2,334.63 per gram, NWA 5000 
> >>>>> is estimated over four times higher than any other planetary specimens 
> >>>>> in their prestigious line-up.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Christies Meteorite auction Feb. 7 - 14th. Lot 25 is a 5.14 g slice of 
> >>>>> NWA 5000.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/deep-impact-martian-lunar-other-rare-meteorites/lots/426?SortBy=LotNumber=1=44=true=

Re: [meteorite-list] AD -Auctions Ending Tonight and Tomorrow

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Adam,
You have been told in the past that when you send me these "private" emails 
insulting me, they will be forwarded to the list. Everyone can see your crude 
response below if they choose to. 

I would recommend you hold your tongue from now on or you will only embarrass 
yourself further. 

Sincerely,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295


On 2/7/18 at 12:03 PM, Adam Hupe wrote:

> Everybody, who has been around for awhile, sees you as the village idiot 
> and a clueless 3.0 level newbie.
> 
> On 2/7/2018 7:49 AM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list wrote:
> > "The low estimate is $1,500/g (before commission). While the reserve is far 
> > lower still..."
> >
> > Thank you, Darryl.
> > Glad someone else said it. I would have pointed it out myself but I already 
> > get enough blowback and crudeness from Adam via his unwelcome "private" 
> > messages to my email here...
> >
> > John A. Shea, MD
> > IMCA 3295
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent using the mail.com mail app
> >
> > On 2/7/18 at 9:05 AM, Darryl Pitt via Meteorite-list wrote:
> >
> >> Clarification is required.  The low estimate is $1,500/g (before 
> >> commission).
> >>
> >> While the reserve is far lower still, NWA 5000 is indeed the preeminent 
> >> lunar meteorite of our time.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Feb 6, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
> >>> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dear List Members,
> >>>
> >>> It has been a few months since I have advertised to this forum.  I have 
> >>> some NWA 5000 lunar meteorite specimen auctions ending tonight and 
> >>> tomorrow evening.  They were started at just 99 cents with no reserve.
> >>>
> >>> You may want to check out the estimated price per gram on next months 
> >>> Christie's premier meteorite auction.  At $2,334.63 per gram, NWA 5000 is 
> >>> estimated over four times higher than any other planetary specimens in 
> >>> their prestigious line-up.
> >>>
> >>> Christies Meteorite auction Feb. 7 - 14th. Lot 25 is a 5.14 g slice of 
> >>> NWA 5000.
> >>>
> >>> https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/deep-impact-martian-lunar-other-rare-meteorites/lots/426?SortBy=LotNumber=1=44=true=false
> >>>
> >>> ... So if you are interesting in adding a piece of the world's highest 
> >>> rated lunar meteorite to your collection, you can find both auction and 
> >>> store pieces offered at here:
> >>>
> >>> Link to all eBay auctions:
> >>> https://www.ebay.com/sch/ancientechoesartifacts/m.html?item=202210818967=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, god luck,
> >>>
> >>> Adam Hupe
> >>> The Original Hupe Collection
> >>> Team LunarRock founder
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD -Auctions Ending Tonight and Tomorrow

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"The low estimate is $1,500/g (before commission). While the reserve is far 
lower still..."

Thank you, Darryl.
Glad someone else said it. I would have pointed it out myself but I already get 
enough blowback and crudeness from Adam via his unwelcome "private" messages to 
my email here...

John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295




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On 2/7/18 at 9:05 AM, Darryl Pitt via Meteorite-list wrote:

> Clarification is required.  The low estimate is $1,500/g (before commission). 
> 
> While the reserve is far lower still, NWA 5000 is indeed the preeminent lunar 
> meteorite of our time.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On Feb 6, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Dear List Members,
> > 
> > It has been a few months since I have advertised to this forum.  I have 
> > some NWA 5000 lunar meteorite specimen auctions ending tonight and tomorrow 
> > evening.  They were started at just 99 cents with no reserve.
> > 
> > You may want to check out the estimated price per gram on next months 
> > Christie's premier meteorite auction.  At $2,334.63 per gram, NWA 5000 is 
> > estimated over four times higher than any other planetary specimens in 
> > their prestigious line-up.
> > 
> > Christies Meteorite auction Feb. 7 - 14th. Lot 25 is a 5.14 g slice of NWA 
> > 5000.
> > 
> > https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/deep-impact-martian-lunar-other-rare-meteorites/lots/426?SortBy=LotNumber=1=44=true=false
> > 
> > ... So if you are interesting in adding a piece of the world's highest 
> > rated lunar meteorite to your collection, you can find both auction and 
> > store pieces offered at here:
> > 
> > Link to all eBay auctions:
> > https://www.ebay.com/sch/ancientechoesartifacts/m.html?item=202210818967=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
> > 
> > 
> > Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, god luck,
> > 
> > Adam Hupe
> > The Original Hupe Collection
> > Team LunarRock founder
> > 
> > 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Michigan Meteor

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They found a few small specimens last I heard. 
Did they find the main mass?



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On 1/18/18 at 1:00 PM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list wrote:

> It has been found 
> 
> Michael Farmer
> 
> > On Jan 18, 2018, at 9:43 AM, Les to Rovy via Meteorite-list 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Sine I'm only 3 hours away was going to go to the area and check out and 
> > see if anyone or anything can be found.
> > 
> > Cordially
> > 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Current Sericho Habaswein Pallasite Prices

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

As mentioned before, those really are not good quality specimens. Not very 
representative examples, Adam.

Also the 2kg or bigger specimens/lots of Hasbaswein have been selling for 
0.50$/g or less from the source for months now.

Regardless of size or price changes (which are temporary anyhow) once the 
supply dries up people will wish they had gotten the specimen they wanted when 
they could.

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> It looks like the price of the Sericho/Habaswein Pallasite has dropped 
> down to about 36 cents a gram in some current cases for sliced/prepared 
> examples.
> 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/238-gram-NEW-PALLASITE-METEORITE-END-CUT-KENYA-AFRICA-SARICHO-HABASWEIN-/232630006031?hash=item3629d4310f%3Ag%3AedcAAOSwALtaWt6-=true=p3naGH9mW7Ka57JHRQ%252BBALCfJYE%253D_cvip=true=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
> 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/132-gram-NEW-PALLASITE-METEORITE-FULL-SLICE-KENYA-AFRICA-SARICHO-HABASWEIN-/232630002151?hash=item3629d421e7%3Ag%3AJ40AAOSwp7taWt4J=true=p3naGH9mW7Ka57JHRQ%252BBALCfJYE%253D_cvip=true=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
> 
> 
> I am waiting for some good buys on Martian material next. I will be 
> looking at the shows.
> 
> Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ad 32 Auctions Lots of Good Deals!

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Great line up of meteorites Larry!

Really nice 3+kg GB specimen from Nevada in there! 
Steal of a deal on a big NWA Eucrite end cut!

Really nice to see ads from people who aren't just selling the same old lunar 
meteorite every single week. ;-)

Cheers!



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On 1/8/18 at 4:45 PM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list wrote:

> Adam,
> 
> 
> Man, you are killing me. Are you just bored? Why are you singling out me and 
> my auctions? I've never done anything to you, and don't say you are just 
> trying to protect me and other dealers, you are drawing undo attention, 
> that's not protection. Leave sleeping dogs lie. I can't believe that after 
> the last few years of watching you drag people into ridiculousville you've 
> finally got me. On one hand I really want to ignore you but I can't. 
> 
> 
> I sell once a year, enough to cover a tiny percentage of the costs of the 
> pursuit. I contribute valuable information and new meteorites to science as 
> often as I can, all with my own hard earned money. I started my poison ivy 
> control business 12 years ago just so that I could pursue meteorites and 
> contribute to the science. I spent thousands of my own dollars to open up and 
> document the Nevada side of Gold Basin, (which is now confirmed by Dr. Kring 
> and publication is pending.) How much sweat and treasure do you think Osceola 
> cost me? How about weeks and weeks on end for two winters in your back yard, 
> unraveling the Bullhead City strewn field all on my dime? I've worked very 
> hard over the years in my spare time to be a positive force in this hobby, 
> sharing with whom ever and wherever I can. And yes, I'm defensive right now 
> because I take your posts personally. I feel like you are trying to draw 
> attention to me, specifically, right now while my once or so a year ebay ads 
> are running,
  and I don't deserve that  You should pick someone else to target, maybe 
someone that is actually out doing bad things.
> 
> 
>  While I'm at it, if this was something that actually needed to be adhered 
> to, everyone that has ever bought a questionable meteorite should throw it in 
> the garbage right now. Universities and institutions that have procured these 
> same falls and finds should throw theirs on the burn pile too, or turn 
> themselves in and be prosecuted for trafficking. So as anyone of sound mind 
> can see, that's ridiculous and these laws are very much not unlike other b.s. 
> laws of the past and present, practically unenforceable and wrong to begin 
> with. A crime needs a victim by definition and I don't see a victim here. 
> Furthermore, the stones would have to be reclassified and proven to be 
> legitimate, then in the case of say Battle Mountain, Gold Basin, Franconia or 
> Indian Butte, to name a few, there is a checkerboard or mix of private / 
> public land. Which stone is this? Where was this particular stone found? 
> Prove where the stone came from! And all for what? What a joke, a complete 
> waste of resources. I
 t's like trying to enforce sodomy laws or tell people they can't smoke weed, 
forget it. My neighbor in Az is a county sheriff and I watch him do a rolling 
stop everyday at the stop sign in front of the house, do I lecture him? Should 
I call his boss? GET REAL. These laws you cite are wrong headed, or at the very 
least, if used to prosecute a guy like me, that would not be in the true spirit 
of which they were written. Despite the fact you say you don't agree with the 
laws, you seem to be quite an outspoken proponent on this list, unless of 
course it interferes with your pursuits.
> 
> 
> Adam, I used to have great respect for you, and though I can't take away 
> anything positive you've done in the past, it would seem your days of 
> positive contribution are over. During the past several years your posts have 
> continually deteriorated in such a negative way that I don't respect you 
> anymore. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if you are the snitch you mention. 
> You're not my meteorite Daddy and I didn't ask for your advice or your 
> protection. Please do not comment on my posts in the future. Like I said to 
> you once in the past, relax man, get outside and go find a meteorite. Find 
> something  constructive to do. Based on the emails, texts and phone calls 
> I've received today, many others would agree.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> Larry
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
> To: metlist 
> Sent: Mon, Jan 8, 2018 12:21 pm
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad 32 Auctions Lots of Good Deals!
> 
> What happens if meteorites are collected illegally from public lands?If 
> meteorites are collected illegally from public lands you can be cited under 
> FLPMA and the regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5(a) for illegal removal of any 
> personal property or any scientific resource or natural object. You will also 
> be 

[meteorite-list] AD: New specimens added to my website! (Ad: 9/12)

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Dear Fellow Collectors,

 

Hope you are all doing great, and that your New Year is off to a good start.

 

I added some lovely meteorite and impactite specimens to my website. Notably: A handful of fresh NWA-X at various sizes, a rare US iron from the state of Wisconsin, a gorgeous Wabar Pearl, some more fragments of the Ejby fall, and a few other interesting specimens.

 

Additionally, there are dozens of other specimens that are still available at exceptional prices.

 

https://bigjohnmeteorites.com

 

Please take a moment from your busy day to consider an addition to your collection.

 

Cheers!

John A. Shea, MD

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Re: [meteorite-list] Stability of Sericho (Habaswein)

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

I got my sealed full slice of Habaswein from Rob many months ago and don't see 
a lick of rusting on it. Sealant appears to be working great.  :-D

If I were in the market for a specimen, I'd listen to the guy who actually has 
experience working with the meteorite in question.

Additionally, 
Large multi-kg specimens of Habaswein do sell in the 0.5$/g range. Expertly 
prepared slices do not. They sell for 8-10 times that price. That distinction 
needs to be made.

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> My advice is to stay away from any sliced pieces with a lacquer or 
> clear-coat surface.  It is sign that shortcuts were taken in its 
> preparation.  Proper polishing reduces the surface area on cut pieces of 
> any meteorite aiding in the prevention of "lawrencite disease."  Not 
> only that, these coatings will accelerate the deterioration process by 
> trapping moisture.  It is important to store this material in low 
> humidity environments with plenty of air circulation.  Also, exposure to 
> direct sunlight will cause the crystals to darken with time.
> 
> A lot of collectors are in the wait and see mode since there are several 
> metric tons of this material available. The lowest price I have seen was 
> around 46 cents a gram for a recently sold piece on eBay.
> 
> Happy Collecting,
> 
> Adam
> 
> On 12/2/2017 5:14 AM, Andrey via Meteorite-list wrote:
> > Hello Dear List Members,
> > 
> > Just a small question to new Sericho (was Habaswein) Kenya pallasite 
> > owners, dealers, cutters: how stable is it?
> >  From my own experience I noticed its extreme degree of instability, 
> > similar to Admire or even more... Is this unlucky piece, just fortuity 
> > or is it really so?
> > 
> > Thanks in advance for your answers,
> > 
> > Andrey,
> > IMCA#6240
> > 
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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 5000 Bitcoin Holders

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

1) This has nothing to do with meteorite classification.

2) That email is an advertisement, Adam. Whether you think it is or not.

3) I wonder how many bitcoins were used last month in criminal endeavors? Not 
something I would want any of my meteorite classifications associated with...

Cheers,
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On 12/1/17 at 3:28 PM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list wrote:

> Wow, the NWA 5000 Bitcoin artwork has really gone up in price.  This is 
> for an unloaded Kialara pair priced at 4.25 bitcoins equaling 
> $45,772.48.  The entire unloaded suite, costing only around $1,600.00 
> when released a few months ago, is probably now worth over $100,000.00.
> 
> https://physicalbitcoins.co.uk/product/kialara-2015-original-gold-silver-matched-pair-22
> 
> I am glad to have invested in such a project not realizing the full 
> upward potential in a secondary market.
> 
> It proves, once again, the real value of proper classification and 
> provenance otherwise this lunar material would have never been 
> considered for such a project.
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
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[meteorite-list] AD: Prices dropped on specimens (Ad: 8/12)

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Dear Meteorite Friends,

Hope you are doing well.

You can call it a “Black Friday Sale” if you want, but the prices will be the same tomorrow. ;-) I dropped some prices on my webpage given the pending Christmas holiday, so now is the time to get some great deals on a lot of good specimens.

https://bigjohnmeteorites.com

If you celebrated Thanksgiving, then I hope it was a memorable and enjoyable holiday for you. If not, hope your week is going great!

Cheers!

John A. Shea, MD

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Re: [meteorite-list] Interesting Trivia - Black Beauty Moniker

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

"The meaning of nick names or monikers will be lost in a generation or two, 
while official names will stand the test of time."

So you're planning to stop calling NWA 5000, "The Legendary, NWA 5000"?

;-)   ;-)

John






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> An interesting piece of trivia:
> 
> Did you know that the nickname "Black Beauty" originated with a 
> completely different Martian meteorite 9 years before NWA 7034 was 
> announced. Black Beauty was also used as a moniker to describe a fall 
> within months of when NWA 7034 was made official.
> 
> Supporting documentation:
> https://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/newsroom/pressreleases/20030212c.html
> 
> NWA 1460:
> https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=NWA+1460=namescontains=50=ge==All=name=All=All===0=Normal%20table=32318
> 
> This demonstrates the need to use official classification nomenclature 
> used to describe officially studied meteorites. The meaning of nick 
> names or monikers will be lost in a generation or two, while official 
> names will stand the test of time.
> 
> Adam
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[meteorite-list] AD: Dozens of specimens added to my website! (Ad: 7/12)

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Dear Fellow Collectors,

Hope you are all doing great!

I uploaded dozens of specimens to my website for you to consider. Historic, new and rare meteorite specimens are available now, all at excellent prices. There is a little bit of everything for all variations of collectors!

Please take a moment from your busy day to consider adding some specimens to your collection.

https://bigjohnmeteorites.com

Below is a shortened list of specimens available. Please note that on my page the specimens are in alphabetical and numerical order.

Bilanga, Burkina Faso

Clarendon (c), Texas

Clifford, Colorado

Copiapo, Chile

Ejby, Denmark

Great Bend, Kansas

Hamilton (Queensland), Australia

Hill City, Kansas

Jaralito, Mexico

Kandahar, Afghanistan

X3 Kheneg Ljouad, 100% crusted specimens

Los Cerrillos, Argentina

N’Goureyma, Mali

Nadiabondi, Burkina Faso

NWA 998, Nakhlite

NWA 7401, EL6

NWA 7831, Diogenite

NWA 7876, L3.15

NWA 7877, Eucrite

NWA 8131, CO3

NWA 10071, L(LL)3

NWA 10695, Anomalous Howardite

Ozernoe, Russia

Red Deer Hill, Canada

Santa Apolonia, Mexico

Santiago Papasquiero, Mexico

Sao Jao Nepomuceno, Brazil

Sikhote Alin, Russia

Squaw Creek, Texas

Stewart Valley 001, California

Suizhou, China

Tank Mountains, Arizona

Thuathe, Lesotho

Tugalin-Bulen, Mongolia

Guanghua, China

 

Thank you for your time!

Cheers,

John A. Shea, MD

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[meteorite-list] List of specimens I'm seeking

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Dear Fellow Collectors,
If anyone has any of the following specimens for sale please reach out to me 
and let me know.
Many thanks for your time!
Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295

List:
Iron Creek, Canada
Krasnojarsk, Russia
Berdyansk, Russia
Nogata, Japan
Oktibbeha, Mississippi
Livingston, Montana
Camp Verde, Arizona
Red River, Connecticut
Ovambo, Namibia
Lincoln County, Colorado
Mesa Verde, Colorado
Pojoaque, New Mexico
Chilkoot, Alaska
Anderson Township, Ohio
Leslie, Texas
Doolgunna, Australia
Uwet, Nigeria
Duruma, Zanzibar
Andhara, India
Pedernales
Tamentit, Algeria
Springfield, Colorado
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Sikhote Alin Iron Meteorite Polished 261 Gram End Cut

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Gotta ask here...

At what point do these repeat emails about these SA specimens for sale exceed 
the rule of 1 advertisement per person per week?

Not trying to be a pain here, just keeping it real...

John A. Shea, MD
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> All 3 Sikhote Alin end cuts with their initial etch, the one in the center 
> is 3.5" wide to give you an idea of the size of these
> 
> 
> I have used both nitol and ferric chloride  in the past to etch SA, but my 
> FC won’t be here till Monday.
> 
> Once I have that I will heat these up and do a quick wash with the FC and 
> follow that with a light nitol etch to make it sparkle.
> 
> 
> http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Meteorites/Sikhote%20Alin/SA%20End%20Cuts%20004_zpszlys8ssc.jpg
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

I think most of the list members are just ready for this conversation to go 
away, and I really don't blame them... So I'm going to stop contributing to it. 

I will add that whatever I have contributed to the world of Meteoritics, Martin 
has contributed an exponentially greater amount.

Take care, Adam...

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On 11/4/17 at 11:06 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list wrote:

> Wow, such animosity.  I am comfortable with my true colors if it means 
> exposing less than honorable behavior that diminishes our avocation.  It 
> is interesting that the same people always speak out, here and on Facebook.
> 
> Perhaps Martin and John can fill us all in on their contributions to the 
> meteorite collecting community?
> 
> I am sure list members would love to know.
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/4/2017 8:51 AM, Martin Goff via Meteorite-list wrote:
> > Johannes,
> > 
> > Adam's true colours were revealed a long time ago which is why
> > everyone ignores his rants here on the metlist. He likes the sound of
> > his own voice and stands on his soapbox and shouts into empty space.
> > He is a hypocrit who is under the illusion that what he thinks and
> > says is somehow respected whereas the truth is that very few respect
> > him and a lot of new collectors haven't a clue who he even is!  He is
> > no longer relavent and hasn't been for many years. Just ignore him,
> > everyone else does ..
> > 
> > Cheers
> > 
> > Martin
> > 
> > Martin Goff
> > www.msg-meteorites.co.uk
> > International Meteorite Collectors Association (IMCA) member #3387
> > 
> > On 4 Nov 2017 02:45, "Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list"
> > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> It's too late to take the high road, Adam.
> >> Your true colors have been revealed.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent using the mail.com mail app
> >>
> >> On 11/3/17 at 9:42 PM, Adam Hupe wrote:
> >>
> >>> John,
> >>>
> >>> Posting private emails to the list is against the rules and in poor
> >>> taste.  I have wasted enough time with endless debates in the past with
> >>> this individual.
> >>>
> >>> Gain some character and a moral compass.  Piggy-backing and self-pairing
> >>> are not alright with honest dealers and collectors who take the extra
> >>> steps to insure authenticity above all else.
> >>>
> >>> Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

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It's too late to take the high road, Adam. 
Your true colors have been revealed.



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> John,
> 
> Posting private emails to the list is against the rules and in poor 
> taste.  I have wasted enough time with endless debates in the past with 
> this individual.
> 
> Gain some character and a moral compass.  Piggy-backing and self-pairing 
> are not alright with honest dealers and collectors who take the extra 
> steps to insure authenticity above all else.
> 
> Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

That's really sad, Adam...

How sad that after all your years of life and experience in the meteorite 
world, you failed to develop the skills you need to face a challenge from a 
peer with some dignity.



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> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Adam Hupe 
> Date: Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 2:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage
> Auctions
> To: Jason Utas 
> 
> 
> 
> Jason,
> 
> You are worthless and a waste of time.  You have already been exposed and
> are a joke in academic circles.
> 
> Go argue with the losers on Facebook.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/3/2017 12:45 PM, Jason Utas wrote:
> 
> >I cleaned each individual and made sure the classifying scientist examined
> each and every one of them after a type specimen was submitted.
> 
> Hold the phone.  Someone simply *looked at* the stones to determine that
> they were paired!? You washed them, showed them to a third party, and
> they're paired?  That's "self-pairing," by a third party.
> 
> And it means that someone "qualified" can pair a meteorite to your
> standards, *just by looking at it.*  That's good to know.
> 
> What's the necessary degree?  Geology?  Or just analytical experience in
> general?  You and I both know that classifying scientists tend to be
> *worse* than experienced collectors or dealers at determining what a rock
> is, just by looking at it.  They don't usually see whole rocks.  They need
> a thin section and probe data before rendering a verdict.  Fe/Mn ratios.
> Oxygen isotopes.
> 
> John's completely right.  You're just using *other* purely subjective
> criteria to determine who's qualified to pair meteorites by looking at
> them.  But those criteria don't make any sense.  Most experienced dealers
> and collectors have seen more rare meteorites in hand sample than the
> average analytical scientist.
> 
> 
> And I'll mention again the mislabeled NWA 978 and "Tafrawet" we purchased
> directly from you, years ago [actually NWA 753 and a new IAB, NWA 3200].
> 
> Let me repeat myself.  You sold me this new iron meteorite
>  as a new mass of  this one
>  because you
> screwed up a self-pairing.
> 
> Honestly, the NWA 3200 should be enough to get you to put a pin in this.
> You sliced the iron and sold it on ebay in separate auctions.  We already
> had a piece of Tafrawet: I noticed that the pattern and inclusions were
> *completely* different.  We purchased all of the remaining slices, but you
> had already sold some via buy-it-now, as Tafrawet.  After giving a slice to
> UCLA -- yep, it was a new IAB, not even a IIIAB.  We tried to contact the
> other eBay buyers when it was all sorted out, but weren't able to reach all
> of them.  Oops.  Mislabeled material in circulation.  Must have been
> someone else's fault.
> 
> Peter mistakenly bought the *NWA 753* because we had a large fragment of
> it.  He wanted a slice to go with it.  He trusted your label.  Oops.  Wrong
> meteorite.
> 
> Heck, it's not like they look *remotely* similar.  Here's a slice of NWA 753
>  and one of NWA 978
> .  Those photos are from
> Mike Farmer's website.  A reputable dealer *who can tell the difference.*
> Maybe you just wanted to sell the more common R-chondrite as one with a
> smaller TKW?  I don't know.  And, at the end of the day, it doesn't
> matter.
> 
> That's just two examples in our cabinets.
> 
> You were just as guilty as any other dealer for a decade or so.  NWA 753,
> NWA 801, NWA 2969, etc., etc., etc.  You self-paired hundreds (thousands?)
> of ordinary chondrites, carbonaceous chondrites, irons, and achondrites.
> And I wouldn't be calling you out on this if you weren't being such a prick
> about it to everyone else.
> 
> I guess it's pretty easy to point fingers at new meteorites when you only
> have one stone left to sell.  And I doubt you paid less than the
> $10-15/gram the new Lunars are fetching.  That must be rough.  I can
> understand where you're coming from, but you're not going to get much
> sympathy if you carry on like this.
> 
> Jason
> 
> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list <
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> 
> > I reported every single stone in the NWA 1110 Martian pairing which
> > amounted to several dozen.  I cleaned each individual and made sure the
> > classifying scientist examined each and every one of them after a type
> > specimen was submitted.  Then an image was taken of the entire lot and
> > submitted to the Nomenclature Committee.  I generally avoid pairings since
> > they are so troublesome and are piggy-backed constantly.  Over ten lazy
> > dealers self-paired to NWA 1110 which was an official 

Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

"Self-pairing is a slippery slope.  Allowing laymen/dealers/Moroccans to 
classify their own stones opens up the entire meteorite collectable sector to 
fraud."

Hence my condition that the seller needs to be "reliable". A subjective term, 
yes, but it is impossible to formally pair every stone. If that were the 
expectation from collectors then very little material would change hands... 
Also, that is the slippery slope we live on. The only slope we live on. More on 
this below...

"Collectors deserve to know what they are getting and how much by weight is 
really available."

Black Beauty sells high because it's an interesting classification, not because 
of low TKW... Low TKW alone is not a great motivating factor for collectors.

"Unfair trade practices are at an all-time high when "dealers" fail to report 
accurate weights and number of stones."

Report to who? Report by who? I can't call up the MetSoc and say, "Hey I found 
ten more pieces of BB. Add these 80g to the TKW." It doesn't work that way. Not 
every specimen can come in form of an 11.53kg single mass with no pairings... 
;-) If I want to formally pair ten pieces as paired to the original BB, all ten 
of them need to be studied, and have a classification written for them. What if 
9 of them weigh less than 4g? Who's going to sacrifice 20% plus another 1g for 
a thin section plus cut loss of those 9 specimens weighing less than 4g that 
they paid 500$/g to a Moroccan merchant? Apply that same logic to every other 
DCA worldwide and you'll need a workforce of scientists that cannot exist, all 
trained to handle the load of pairings.

We don't live in the reality where every piece of meteorite that should be 
formally paired can actually get formally paired, and I doubt we ever did or 
ever will. We live in the reality where buyers and dealers are responsible for 
deciding whether or not they are really buying BB (or any other specific 
classification) when they are buying a specimen that hasn't been formally 
paired. If they can't do that, then they should only buy from people who they 
consider trustworthy.

Stepping off my soapbox...

Have a good one.
John








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On 11/3/17 at 10:51 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list wrote:

> Self-pairing is a slippery slope.  Allowing laymen/dealers/Moroccans to 
> classify their own stones opens up the entire meteorite collectable 
> sector to fraud.  One just needs to see the damage it created with 
> Martian meteorites a few years ago when collector confidence was at an 
> all-time low in regards to material from Mars.
> 
> Collectors deserve to know what they are getting and how much by weight 
> is really available.  "Black Beauty" is an example of where, if the real 
> TKW where known, it would fetch only a fraction of its current price. 
> The recorded amount doesn't come close to how much is really available.
> 
> Unfair trade practices are at an all-time high when "dealers" fail to 
> report accurate weights and number of stones.  Self-pairing, 
> piggybacking and bypassing all of the protections provided to collectors 
> by skipping established classification protocols places the entire 
> market in jeopardy.
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/3/2017 5:25 AM, Bigjohn Shea wrote:
> > Sorta feels like we are rehashing an old topic in a new form here...
> > 
> > It is common and even justifiable for people to be attached to the concept 
> > of formal pairings and classification for specimens, particularly when they 
> > pride themselves on selling specimens of a well known classification.
> > 
> > However, like most items in the world of collectibles, who you buy from is 
> > just as important as what you are buying. If the source is reliable, then 
> > the "self-pairing", or "probable pairing" can obviously be trusted.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > John A. Shea, MD
> > IMCA 3295
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > On 11/3/17 at 3:34 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list wrote:
> > 
> >> How could it possibly be the main mass when it is claimed to be part of
> >> the NWA 8455 "clan" which consists of 15 names under its many pairings?
> >> The single NWA 8455 stone was reported to weigh 2,814 grams which would
> >> make it the current "main mass" of this pairing group.
> >>
> >> This also doesn't explain why much more than 3 complete stones reported
> >> under the La'gad pairing have been placed on the market. The TKW of this
> >> pairing was supposed to be only 338 grams yet this amount has been
> >> greatly exceeded.
> >>
> >> It appears unclassified (self-paired) stones have been placed on the
> >> market using the La'gad nomenclature.  There are many keeping track of
> >> what is being offered.
> >>
> >> Adam
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/3/2017 12:40 AM, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list wrote:
> >>> Thank you, Peter, for posting again (for a 2nd time) the link to the MBD 
> >>> entry for the La'gad meteorite.
> >>> It was a simple, but polite, way to point out 

Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Sorta feels like we are rehashing an old topic in a new form here...

It is common and even justifiable for people to be attached to the concept of 
formal pairings and classification for specimens, particularly when they pride 
themselves on selling specimens of a well known classification. 

However, like most items in the world of collectibles, who you buy from is just 
as important as what you are buying. If the source is reliable, then the 
"self-pairing", or "probable pairing" can obviously be trusted.

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295




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On 11/3/17 at 3:34 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list wrote:

> How could it possibly be the main mass when it is claimed to be part of 
> the NWA 8455 "clan" which consists of 15 names under its many pairings? 
> The single NWA 8455 stone was reported to weigh 2,814 grams which would 
> make it the current "main mass" of this pairing group.
> 
> This also doesn't explain why much more than 3 complete stones reported 
> under the La'gad pairing have been placed on the market. The TKW of this 
> pairing was supposed to be only 338 grams yet this amount has been 
> greatly exceeded.
> 
> It appears unclassified (self-paired) stones have been placed on the 
> market using the La'gad nomenclature.  There are many keeping track of 
> what is being offered.
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> On 11/3/2017 12:40 AM, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list wrote:
> > Thank you, Peter, for posting again (for a 2nd time) the link to the MBD 
> > entry for the La'gad meteorite.
> > It was a simple, but polite, way to point out that all of the questions 
> > that have been asked about this meteorite have their answers in that entry.
> > 
> > It shouldn't be necessary, but now that the dust-up has settled, I feel 
> > compelled to clear away any lingering misconceptions:
> > there is no question, this is the La'gad meteorite
> > there is no question who the classifier is, nor what is the classification
> > there is no question who found this meteorite, or where it was found
> > there is no question who owns this meteorite
> > there is no question at all about the provenance of this meteorite
> > there is no question that this is the main-mass of the La'gad meteorite.
> > 
> > The stone in the auction weighs 171grams and has had a sample cut from it, 
> > other wise it would weigh 186.24grams. This matches the MBD entry.
> > Having the stone called-out in the MBD and having it be the main-mass, and 
> > having the type-specimen be from that mass, is a premium for collectors.
> > Having the coords recorded in the MBD and having a name (like La'gad) and 
> > not a number is a premium for collectors, as well.
> > 
> > Taking everything into consideration, this Lunar would be a positive 
> > addition to any collection.
> > Bob V.
> > 
> > --
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> > On ‎Thursday‎, ‎November‎ ‎02‎, ‎2017‎ ‎06‎:‎18‎:‎45‎ ‎PM, Peter Marmet via 
> > Meteorite-list  wrote:
> >  
> > Adam Hupe wrote via Meteorite-list :
> >> La'gad doesn't show up in the Meteoritical Bulletin. What institution or 
> >> scientist examined this exact specimen or is it unofficial or self-paired?
> > 
> > https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=63189
> > 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Want To Buy Large Zag or Monahans

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Stand corrected. 
Looks like a few bigger pieces are out there. 
Hope you find what you want Rob. :-)  



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On 10/27/17 at 10:51 AM, Michael Farmer wrote:

> I have 140 grams of Monahans 1998
> 
> Michael Farmer
> 
> > On Oct 27, 2017, at 2:35 PM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list 
> > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Peter, Rob, all,
> > 
> > I sought out specimens of Monahans '98 a while ago for another collector. 
> > As far as I know only micros were made available.
> > 
> > The smaller of the two specimens went to NASA very shortly after the fall, 
> > then back to the city for display with the older Monahans iron. I've heard 
> > it went to an institution after that but don't know... The large specimen 
> > went to Craddock via auction. Only micros were made available to the rest 
> > of us.. The biggest piece I've seen is about 0.2g and had a pricetag on it 
> > that eclipsed most high end planetaries.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > John A. Shea, MD
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> > 
> > 
> > 
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> >> On 10/27/17 at 7:05 AM, Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hi Rob,
> >> 
> >> Are you looking for a large sample of Monahans (1998)? Has Mike Craddock
> >> sold some? Other than the whole stone I have seen only small samples. It
> >> would be great if it was possible to purchase a nice sized sample.
> >> 
> >> Thanks,
> >> 
> >> Peter
> >> 
> >> -Original Message-
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> >> On
> >> Behalf Of Rob Wesel via Meteorite-list
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> >> 
> >> Please send me an email if you have either for sale.
> >> 
> >> Thanks
> >> 
> >> Rob Wesel
> >> 
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