Re: [meteorite-list] To the dreamers
Dear Gentlemen, List; I experienced an issue with two sides similar to this about ten years ago. Scientific rocks..ones to study, and pretty rocks...ones that require appreciation despite scientific importance. In the real world of total experience, one needs to ideally appreciate both. In the meteorite world, we all love a grand carbonaceous chondrite with CIA's, amino acids, but aren't pallesites just as cool? As with our quest for astronomy, one needs to take time to appreciate as well as study. Left handed and right hand proficient, Dave F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Darren: I do not disagree with you on that. From an education point of view (I am trying to teach them astronomy), you want your students to understand what is going on with the sky. But at the same time, you want them to appreciate the wonders of the night sky (in this case) and with this appreciation comes understanding (I hope). In my case, with students who will not become scientists, first comes the awareness of what is up there (you can see the Moon during the day?). If they then learn something, then that is important too. At least I got them out there and appreciating/enjoying Nature and got them away from their textbooks (yeh, right) and their computers and video games. Larry On Sun, April 8, 2007 8:55 pm, Darren Garrison wrote: On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 10:52:01 -0700 (MST), you wrote: Hi Mal: We (actually Nancy) uses this at every teacher workshop that we do. It really points out the importance of learning astronomy (or any other science) by doing it and not just lecturing! That kind of goes against what I always thought Whitman's point in the poem was-- that you should enjoy nature, not try to break it down and analyze it. Sort of an anti-scientific statement, not a field-work vs. lab work argument. Whitman always struck me as a bit of a weirdo. :-) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Well, it's pretty sad, no-no, the child is a nine year old who is bored!
Dear Michael; Sorry to say, unless we have brand new-news, in the past 9 years, the list has covered all topics until the repeat of all topics has even become boring. The list archives is a great place to find all of that exciting information and talk and talk about meteorites you wish to find that is lacking on the active list. Dave F. Michael Murray wrote: Hey Mal, and caring List members, I'm know I am willing to visit about meteorites, and those things related. I'm an amateur in this for sure but there is very little on the subject of meteorites that I don't enjoy. I'm sure too that there are others out there on the list that would mix in more if we had some new meteorite discussions going on. I learn something every time someone throws something out for us to discuss. I thought the picture of the iron that we were given a chance to call it's classification on was a way cool thing. I know I would really enjoy more of that. (by the way it is a IIIAB right?) I certainly don't mind if some folks banter a bit on the List. When I see those emails, I have my options. I can just pass over them or move 'em to the trash if I know they are trying to work out issues with each other. Or, if I am without much to do, and interested in knowing more about the issue or a certain person's makeup that's involved, I can follow the thread. Once I figure out what the issue is and who is involved, I usually don't follow along with them. I figure they have something to work out and have chosen this venue to take care of it on. No big thing to me. I'm not a dealer, or seller. I am a self-proclaimed hunter and am trying to learn anything I can about rocks from space and all that is related. I really enjoy seeing photos of whole individuals simply because there is usually details in the pictures that help me with my limited ability to recognize a meteorite when I see one. If you ever hunted micros, you most likely know the difficulty one can have recognizing the small bits. Its really nice to see the pictures of the insides too. Super cool to see pictures from the microscopes like Tom puts up. I can only imagine the work that must go into getting a surface ready to view like that. Anyway to chop this off, I'm sure someone out there has some interesting meteorite topics to discuss. For what it's worth, I'll throw in with you all on a discussion. Let's come up with something. I think we can make the atmosphere on this list as good as we want. All the best, Michael Murray just an old man looking for rocks __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Magnetic rock with free metal inclusions, any idea?
Dear Moser, It appears to be a nice piece of granite! The mineral structure formed at depth as the granite solidified slowly which allowed the crystals to form. If you look up granite in the Audobon Field Guide to Minerals you will see nice pictures in the rocks section which match up nicely to your photos. Don't let Matteo know where you found your lunar granite at. Dave F. Moser Francesco wrote: Hi ALL, some months ago I found a strange green-white rock, it's about 55x35x20mm for about 60g. It attracts the magnet like a LL6 meteorite, Bensour or Benguerir. Some days ago I cut this rock and inside I found some oval white inclusions and a lot of magnetic metallic clast. Here you can find some pictures: http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/outside.jpg http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/slice.jpg http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/metal.jpg Any idea is welcome :-) !! Regards Francesco Moser http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/ IMCA #1510 www.imca.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Metal Fragment That Hit Illinois Home Not A
We did discuss it but the angle of entry, the velocity, tended to dismiss it right off. A pro baseball pitcher would have had to be standing on the running board of a helicopter to launch it successfully, and we all know it would be hard to pitch from a helicopter. Dave F Ron Baalke wrote: I'm surprised that no one has seemed to consider the possibility that the metal object was simply thrown through the window by someone, as an act of vandalism. Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] more meteorite talk,PLEASE
Dear Jerry, List; I was laughing so hard at Sstevees post that I had to take a sedative to calm down. I wanted to send him an email thanking him for a great laugh.I do not know if he realizes that this is how horridly we find his repeated posts on GAO (gao-ed to death already), or trade, trade, tradeuntil we are sick of same stuff. So, I find it with grand irony that the king of cruddy posts finds hamburger disdainful. Of course, Chicago is the hot-dog capital of the planet (even though they try to steal pizza fame from NY). So maybe that is his way of twisting our arm to eat more bologna! Dave F. Jerry A. Wallace wrote: OK! There we have it. The pot has officially called the kettle black. Jerry steve arnold wrote: Hello list.I think we have done enough talking about hamburgers,matteo,and other non-meteorite BS.Can we not get back to talking about meteorites?PLEASE!Hey even taking about boring gao is better than the crap that has been going on here the last few weeks. steve Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! www.chicagometeorites.net.Specializing in Gao Meteorites! Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re Nevada picture of the day / April issue of Meteorite-Times
Good luck Bob! List, I would just die to know who is catching how many of my trout and where and what they are hitting on. I can ask my buddies but I fear it would be offensive if I asked strangers these questions. I guess I shall go hunt rocks in the morning, drive 5 miles to a good spot, or 10 to search for RS002 Dave F. Robert Verish wrote: Ruben, Sonny, innocent bystanders, Why do you guys pick a Friday night to start a discussion so near and dear to my heart? When do you guys go meteorite hunting? On weekdays? I've gotta finish packing and get up in a few hours to drive to where I'm going to search. Nevertheless these are all good questions. But your scenarios are being taken to the extreme. Looking forward to describing these specific cases when and where there are benefits to numbering finds in overlapping strewn fields. Until then... Peace, out! Bob V. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Matteo's Hatred SPAM
Last night, I ate spaghetti, with real 100% American feed lot beef in itThe spaghetti was made from real grain grown on the great American western plains, possibly Montana, or Eastern Wyoming, or Kansas or Nebraska. The tomato sauce was from tomato's grown in one of a dozen states that commercially grown tomato's, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Florida, Arizona, California, Georgia, Alabama, all over. The salt came from Louisiana, or underneath Detroit, or from Oklahoma, the pepper came from Indonesia. Alas, nothing came from Italy except the hatred in Matteo's email! Tonight on the Freeman menu, fresh rocky mountain rainbow trout with rice from Louisiana, grown by those with a french background. Garnished with Lemons from California or Arizona, and smothered in fresh butter from fat happy cows that live in Utah, or California, or Wisconsin. I also, on topic, collected some very weathered rocks from my indian campsite yesterday, they have metal in them according to the detector. It may be titanium that set off the detector. I will be cutting a window on them sometime today. Dave F. Good eats + cholesterol! Michael Farmer wrote: I wasnt talking to you Matteo, or are you and Giovanni the same person? Again, you are making true friends of Americans, arent you? Do you know the beauty of America? Since Americans are mostly of European decent (I am Norwegian) then are you saying that the millions of Italian-american immigrants here are disgusting pigs? German-americans, French-americans, British-americans, Chinese-americans, etc etc etc. You my friend are the RACIST on this board. We have food from all over the world, last night I cooked a Polish meal of sausage, carrots and potatoes that my mother taught me to make. Not hamburgers, and by the way, if you have never eaten Mcdonalds, then please tell me how you know it is crap? Matteo, why do you do your best to offend nearly everyone on this list? Michael Farmer --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In all my life I have never put a feet into a McDonald, for me its only buiis of venoms where you eat only disgusting( schifezze )material. I know only the good italian food all world us envy Hamburger its a typical USA food, here in Italy never seen a restourant where sale this food Is that a new and more educated way to bash another culture? 1000 times weel your idea of culture reading your emails ship to me in private. Matteo - Original Message - Da : Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] A : giovannisostero [EMAIL PROTECTED], Fredmeteorhall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, ValparInt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] Matteo's Hatred SPAM Data : Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Giovanni, sorry to differ, but only one group in this country eat freedom fries and they are not very popular right now. About Hamburgers, funny, everyhwhere in thw world I travel, I see hamburgers for sale, the McDonalds are everywhere, including places like Oman, Saudi Arabia, and Thailand. Now these shops are not there to feed the hoards of Americans are they? I do have a favorite one on the Champs Elysee in Paris, a Mcdonalds I frequent when I am in Paris, and it is not to partake in their food. They have nice clean and FREE toilets! I usually notice that it is overflowing with hundreds of people, 99% of whom seem to be French, NOT Americans. So perhaps you can take a look around, and realize that Americans are not the only people who eat hamburgers, and besides, who gives a crap what kind of food people eat? Is that a new and more educated way to bash another culture? Michael Farmer --- giovannisostero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul, A Matteo translator is: Three or more bottles of red vino, a loaf of Italian bread and a large slice of cheese. It would be highly appreciated that discussions based on personal bad feeelings, would not degenerate into generalized commets about the habits of a nation or its people. Generalizations difficultly pay dividends, expecially is a scientific community; I do personally know several US patetented idiots, however I will never extend my scarce opinion about them to the other american friends I have, just because all US citizens are eating hamburgers and freedom fries... Thanks, Giovanni -- Passa a Infostrada. ADSL e Telefono senza limiti e senza canone Telecom http://click.libero.it/infostrada __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Commercialization, meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes of time
commodification Isn't that the act of installing indoor plumbing? DF. Thaddeus Besedin wrote: Jake, Indeed propaganda is important, but it should be provided at no charge if it is the preservation and dissemination of knowledge that is desired. A meteorite coin is no better a fetish than a meteorite itself, accompanied with accessible information. In defense of academic repositories, the curation of specimens safeguards scientifically-important materials from the fate of commodities; too bad commodification has been a necessary evil in permitting the accessibility we enjoy in our pursuit of possession of meteorites. -Thaddeus Jake Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've read the messages about this subject bantered about. First I have a problem with 'scientific' repositories and museums. I like to be able to look closely at what I choose and not what some academic wants to spoon feed me. My mind can process more than a few 'selected' pieces on certain subjects. If you ask to see a particular piece or subject the stock answer is 'you'll have to make an appointment' or 'that is scheduled for March two years from now'. I may never get back to see it. In a lot of cases I helped fund it with taxes. It isn't right that a few employees and scientists are the only people 'allowed' to see, touch and experience these wonders of our world. Yes institutes rescue and preserve items but for what? So the articles can sit in a drawer, box or bottle for years and the building finally burns down and nothing is left? It's selfish and self serving. I like the way that museums used to be. Everything they had was on display. I grew up in Iowa and as a child in the 1960s spent days in the Iowa State Capitol Museum looking at everything from civil war relics, stuffed animals, American Indian garments of the 17-1800s to Dr. Bean's one of a kind fossil plates. Dr. Bean was a dentist who spent years extracting crinoid (sp) colonies from limestone parent material. His works have a world wide reputation. When we went to Iowa on vacation in 1999 I wanted to show my husband Dr Bean's fossils but the answer was 'that's not available . . . . . I was truly disappointed there wasn't a single fossil on display. With the individual collector (or dealer) that doesn't happen. People are proud of what they have found, traded for or purchased. Most are more than willing to share their knowledge with adults and children. If you have seen the wonder in a child's eyes when they look at crystals, meteorites, or even common rocks you know what I mean. Many children and adults who are curious will never make it to a museum or a big city. Many don't have the funds or physical ability to get there. Many children have parents who just don't care or are chemically addicted. If a small meteorite is purchased or given to a rural grade school or an inner city school and ignites a passion in one child and that child turns off the tv, violent video games or cell phone to find a meteorite, rocks or get outside to learn about geology or nature - that's success. That's what sharing and education is about. If we want a better world - we have to cultivate the minds of children as one cultivates a garden. They will eventually be taking care of us. So - all of you who see this subject from the perspective of a large metropolitan city dweller or a person of science who lives in an intellectual vacuum try and look at the subject and world from another perspective. Put your egos, opinions and bias aside and do what benefits the most people. You all have experience, education and knowledge to share. Leave the fertilizer in the garden. Barb Baker Show Low, Arizona (50 miles from Holbrook) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Canyon Diablo
Hi Dennis, Moni, List; Maybe H.H.Ninninger made mention in Find A Falling Star. Good possibility. Dave F. Moni Waiblinger wrote: Hi Dennis and all, I haven't been there, actually I just won a piece of Canyon Diablo on ebay which I am going to make into a pendant. I know you asked for answering off the list, but I think it would be great if you tell us about your trip and your efforts to find a piece. I know Thomas Kurtz, the German meteorite hunter has been there and found small pieces, according to his report. Maybe he is reading the posts. Best wishes and good luck, Moni From: Dennis Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Canyon Diablo Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:30:28 -0700 Anyone on the list that use to recover canyon diablo irons back before it was closed ! I have a offer to hunt for them legally for three days this month(in the day light) on the bar t bar ranch land,sorry the offer is only for me to go. I reason I was asking was I will never have this opportunely again and I don't want to waste time looking in the wrong place. So if you could give the best area to hunt north,south,east,west of the crater. Contact off list. Thanks Dennis _ Interest Rates near 39yr lows! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-18466moid=7581 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] National Geographic Re-Airing Ancient Astroid, the ori...
I viewed it last time around an thought it was a pinch of a stretch maybe.Some of the logic didn't seem to match my understanding of asteroids and meteorites. I think it is the pushing of an explanation that needs more scientific data to really be iron clad. Just my opinion, Dave Wyomingdesertglass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/1/2007 7:43:38 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi List, In response to Anne Black's picture of LDG in Michael Johnson's Rocks From Space a few days ago I posted news of a TV program concerned with one theory of the origins of Libyan Desert Glass. I didn't get much of a response from the List. I'm not sure why unless this subject is not of interest to anyone or everyone is comfortable with their personal understanding of the origins of LDG. Yet if anyone is so inclined, that show, Ancient Astroid, will be aired again on Tuesday April 3, at 12:00 noon Eastern Daylight Time on The National Geographic Channel. And Oh, you're welcome in advance to anyone to whom this notice might apply. Have a good evening. Jerry Flaherty __ Thank you for keeping us informed, Jerry. I will certainly try to catch it this time. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] H2 or L2 CLASS METEORITES
Dear Steve; Check the updated pages in your Meteorites A to Z For new list members, it is quite a useful book to determine classification information. It was authored by our own list members Anne Black and the Jensen brothers! I cherish my signed copy that brings me luck! DF steve arnold wrote: Hi list.I was thinking about this today and I have not had time to research it.Are there any H2 or L2 class meteorites that have been classified?This is a real must thread for me.Any help would be welcome. steve arnold,chicago Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! www.chicagometeorites.net Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OFF TOPIC DELETE MARCH MADNESS...snow slows meteorite madness!
Dear Mark, List; For those of us waiting for the recent winter storm to go away tomorrow afternoon so we can get back to meteorite hunting, There will be a fun time at 7 pm Mountain time as Wyoming Cowgirls whip Kansas State Wildcats in the semifinal round of the WNIT Go pokes! Dave F. 3/27/2007 - W. Basketball Cowgirl Basketball Hosts Kansas State in WNIT Semifinals http://wyomingathletics.cstv.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/032707aaa.html The Wyoming Cowgirl basketball team will host the semifinal round of the 2007 Women's National Invitational Tournament (WNIT) on Wednesday, March 28, at 7 p.m. in the Arena Auditorium. The WNIT game will match the Cowgirls against the Kansas State Wildcats who are currently 19-14 overall. They earned wins over Southern Illinois, Illinois and Auburn to advance to this game. more... http://wyomingathletics.cstv.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/032707aaa.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Women in Meteorites!
Dear List; I would like to publicly apologize to the greatest woman meteorite hunter of our modern time, Moni! I would not like to slight any one of my buddies! And apologies to the other dozen women in meteorites that are also there, Mrs. Arnold, Mrs. Lang, wives of all those who spend too much time and money traveling the world. All blondes of Michigan, and the world, note that Moni is on the short list and Her, Miss Haas, and Mrs. Black, have raised the bar! Sincerely, Dave F. in canine domicile __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] CALIFORNIA-REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL GEOLOGIST - Final
Dear Ken, List; Inquiring minds want to know, did my call of So. Utah/Henry Mountains stand the location test with the neighborhood wood expert? I would brim with happiness to learn that one. Woodly, Dave F. Norm Lehrman wrote: Ken, Congrats to you for pursuing this to a conclusion. They aren't always this receptive to dissenting opinions. Once in a while, it works, and helps to restore a bit of our confidence. Thanks, Norm http://TektiteSource.com --- ken newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Norm and others, I asked Mr. Rant to examine the specimen for growth rings. He replied: Due to the interest by others and the quandary it presents (experts are puzzled!) I have removed the item from eBay until a qualified expert evaluates the stone. It never occurred to me that a local petrified wood expert lives four houses down from me. I called him up and asked if he would give me his professional opinion to a problem stone in my possession. I just returned from a visit with him. He not only instantly recognized this specimen as petrified wood but was able to give a close approximation of the type of hardwood it was. He believes my specimen is from American Chestnut or Giant Chinkapin. He described the cell structures as the reasons why he believes that is what it is. I asked him if there was any doubt whatsoever in his opinion, even one or two percent doubt. Zero doubt--it is petrified wood with 100 percent certainty! The only doubt is the type of tree; could certainly be wrong in that area of his opinion. So, you were persistent and hung in there. Thank you so much for helping me with this auction. I will relay similar information to those others who were also puzzled. I was totally fooled on this one, which will make me more aware next time. I will stick to selling what I am more comfortable with from now on--you know, stuff with a label on it. :-) Best regards, Kenneth Rank Norm, Thanks for solving this and restoring the credibility of geologist worldwide (or until the next non-List geologist deems an obvious 'wrong' to be a genuine meteorite :) Best, ken Norm Lehrman wrote: Ken and list, This image: http://i7.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/94/59/e4ce_3.JPG looks highly silicous, which could explain the lack of streak. Am I imagining it, or can you detect some concentric banding, convex towards the upper left (opposite the saw marks)? If that's real, this may well be petrified wood! Surely the seller would've recognized that--- Norm http://tektitesource.com --- ken newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Norm and others, Thanks for your reply. The photos do not show up well in the little ebay viewer so here are three urls. http://i7.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/94/59/e4ce_3.JPG http://i2.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/94/59/e233_3.JPG http://i1.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/94/6b/a18e_3.JPG I asked about a streak test, Mr. Rank replied: No, I did not do a streak test, but I did one just now per your request. The finding is negative for any color whatsoever--no blacks, rust, hematitic, ochre, or yellows present. Thank you for the interest. Very curious reply (in my opinion) when looking at the red interior of the photos. Best, Ken Norm Lehrman wrote: Ken and all, How embarassing for geologists everywhere and another general downer for serious meteorite people. This stuff is frustrating and sad. I hate seeing people ripped off. My bristles go up everytime someone says: I know it's real 'cause I had a geologist look at it--- As a career practicing geologist with over 10-years college-level teaching on the side, I can assure you that most geology curricula do not include ANY significant training or information regarding meteorites, much less, their identification. It is true that we geologists see a lot of earth rocks and are in a generally advantageous position to recognize something out of the ordinary when we see it, but I have described to this list before that in well-intentioned nievete, I used to pass around some fine SLAG pieces as examples of meteorites. Everyone, please be advised that, in general, professional geologists and geological academicians know less about meteorites than list members! Anyone reading this has been exposed to more meteorite information on this list than any geologist gets in multi-degree training unless they are involved in a course of study specifically involving meteorites! Cheers, Norm (http://tektitesource.com) --- ken newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Check
Re: [meteorite-list] CALIFORNIA-REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL GEOLOGIST FINDS HOBBY WITH EBAY
Dear List; I proclaim to be of a wood collectors ilk. I have been tutored by Walter Wright, world renown paleo botanist from CA. This is wood, probably from So. Utah if I had a guess, possibly Henry Mountains location, Steve Hatch or Walt W. could verify better. I have some in my back yard. This is not a palm wood. It lacks a few things, one being highly visible vascular cell bundles. It is probably a jurassic/triassic in age. There is no preserved cell structure it appears. This is caused by a cryptocrystaline replacement that didn't preserve the cell structure and that is common in Utah wood, and much of Wyoming wood. Nice rock, about 25 cents to a buck a pound depending on what you want to do with it. Best, Dave Freeman See my ebay guides on petrified wood of Wyoming under user ID mjwy ken newton wrote: Norm and List, Wow! Yes, I think it is also visible here: http://i14.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/94/59/e9f3_3.JPG Best, Ken http://www.briloon.org/ed/eagle/index.htm (neat eagle cam - video2) Norm Lehrman wrote: Ken and list, This image: http://i7.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/94/59/e4ce_3.JPG looks highly silicous, which could explain the lack of streak. Am I imagining it, or can you detect some concentric banding, convex towards the upper left (opposite the saw marks)? If that's real, this may well be petrified wood! Surely the seller would've recognized that--- Norm http://tektitesource.com --- ken newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Norm and others, Thanks for your reply. The photos do not show up well in the little ebay viewer so here are three urls. http://i7.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/94/59/e4ce_3.JPG http://i2.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/94/59/e233_3.JPG http://i1.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/94/6b/a18e_3.JPG I asked about a streak test, Mr. Rank replied: No, I did not do a streak test, but I did one just now per your request. The finding is negative for any color whatsoever--no blacks, rust, hematitic, ochre, or yellows present. Thank you for the interest. Very curious reply (in my opinion) when looking at the red interior of the photos. Best, Ken Norm Lehrman wrote: Ken and all, How embarassing for geologists everywhere and another general downer for serious meteorite people. This stuff is frustrating and sad. I hate seeing people ripped off. My bristles go up everytime someone says: I know it's real 'cause I had a geologist look at it--- As a career practicing geologist with over 10-years college-level teaching on the side, I can assure you that most geology curricula do not include ANY significant training or information regarding meteorites, much less, their identification. It is true that we geologists see a lot of earth rocks and are in a generally advantageous position to recognize something out of the ordinary when we see it, but I have described to this list before that in well-intentioned nievete, I used to pass around some fine SLAG pieces as examples of meteorites. Everyone, please be advised that, in general, professional geologists and geological academicians know less about meteorites than list members! Anyone reading this has been exposed to more meteorite information on this list than any geologist gets in multi-degree training unless they are involved in a course of study specifically involving meteorites! Cheers, Norm (http://tektitesource.com) --- ken newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Check out this professional geologist's 'Ureilite meteorite with diamonds.' http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300094532355 (see question at bottom also, the 'professional geologist' info is found on his 'me' page) Does the cut face of this 'non magnetic meteorite' look like ordinary hematite to anyone else? As far as the obvious entry FUSION coating, remember this? http://home.earthlink.net/~wrongs/auctions/2255992757.htm Follow-up: http://home.earthlink.net/~meteorwrong/auctions/2260392588.htm Continuously amazed, Ken Newton http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/updates.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion crusts on stony meteorites
Well Dear Ladies; I find my personal friend, and buddy, Maria Haas from Michigan to be far superior a meteorite hunter than any of the other ladies on the list and especially from Michigan. Her large and excellent karma helps her find many meteoritesjust not in Michigan. Very best, Dave F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/24/2007 3:52:12 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think I'm the only girl on the site. I am facinated by you guys, and the knowledge I'm gaining from just reading these posts is awesome. I want to be the top meteorite hunter in Michigan. With you boys on my side, I think I can be. I am well educated in geology, and anthropology, but meteorites is a new and fun thing for me. I'm a hunter at heart. I'm a metal detecting geek, well, even though I'm a blonde cute girl. It's totally facinating. Thanks you guys for all your info, it's like taking a college course in the subject. Susa No, you are not the only woman on the List. And I am blond too. ;-) Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Forwarded AD - New Illinois Iron Meteorite?
Dear Friends; After the large episode of Earth Disasters last evening, I would also expect to see a Tunguska Iron Meteorite coming along shortly, stay tuned! Media is a good and bad thing. Full of many unscientific half truths though. Dave Freeman Sterling K. Webb wrote: Hi, All, Amazing resemblance to the Bloomington Object, don't you think? Same unlikely proportion of the three dimensions. Same sharp regmaglypts. And just enough time to have worked up a reasonable facsimile. The drill is the same. Measure its density. Get it cut, etch a face. Get a bulk composition analysis. Step by step... Three irons in a row: the New Jersey Object, Bloomington (Illinois) Object, Illinois (Illinois) Object. Odd when you consider how rare the fall of an Iron is. I can't get the photos to show in their full original size, so can't say much about crust. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Mr EMan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ken newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Forwarded AD - New Illinois Iron Meteorite? --- drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Ken, Michael and List, I concur with Ken. The meteorite appears to have been manufactured with a acetylene torch or forge and a sledge hammer or press. The mass has an unusual cross-section for a real iron meteorite and the thumb printing looks like hammer or press marks. Good job Ken in pointing out this suspectmeteorite. Best Regards, Dirk...Tokyo What Dirk and Ken said Perhaps bogus was too strong but definitely a hoax. The pseudo-regmaglypts are rimmed, indicating these are not ablation features but ducted( as in ductile) and sheer features. Elton __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mr. Kramskoi Meteorite Offers from Russia
Make sure Matteo understands that he pays the shipping up front before you will ship! Great laugh, Dave F. Michael Farmer wrote: http://meteoriteguy.com/ebayauctionstockphotos/car.jpg Matteo, here is a photo of a Ferrari I have for sale. Send me 500 Euros, then I will send you a contract for purchase and shipping details. I am selling this car for charity for little starving children. See how easy that is? Michael Farmer -- M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt a nigerian scam continue to send you emails with photos etcand is not real this person ask immediatly $800 of contract, I have sent 100 euro and now I want seen what arrive Matteo --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Geoff, this is another form of Nigerian scam. They are now getting on ebay, finding items that sell, learning about them, then ripping people off who are gullible enough to send money to people they do not know. This has been on the news lately. These guys plan to take your $800.00 then you will never hear from them again. The same people are likely sending the same emails to people for coins, fossils, and anything else of value from Russia that people might actually want to buy. Buy from people you know, or suffer the consequences. Michael Farmer --- Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Listees: Greetings all. Thank you to those of you who replied off-List to my post inquiring about a Mr. Kramskoi. The following information may be of interest to to any List members who have received a recent offer from Russia about meteorites for sale: 1) A significant number meteorite dealers and collectors, around the world, have been contacted by email by a person representing himself as Mr. Aleksandr Kramskoi supposedly of Kramskoi Law Firm in Moscow. He states he is selling meteorite specimens in order to raise funds for the Kanatnaya Doroga Charity Foundation (supposedly an orphanage) in Russia. 2) Mr. Kramskoi has offered for sale Lunar specimens from the Russian Luna missions, and some very attractive Sikhote-Alins, apparently from an old collection. He has emailed photos of these specimens to numerous people. Mr. Kramskoi offered to send me 4.5 kg of Sikhote-Alins, so you can inspect it carefully and give a fair price for these items. Once I agreed to receive the specimens for inspection, he then emailed me an elaborate contract and asked for $800 in advance as a contract fee. 3) Mr. Kramskoi stated that after receiving the $800 from me, he would ship the Sikhote-Alins by UPS or Fedex and that upon receipt I would have 180 days to pay the balance. I found the length of time allowed for payment to be suspicious. 4) A well-respected List member, and professional colleague of mine in Europe, was offered the same pieces and the same contract, at the same time, though for a different price. 5) My colleague has a reliable friend in Russia who has established that the address provided by Mr. Kramskoi for his law office does not exist. 6) My colleague and I both declined to enter into any form of transaction with Mr. Kramskoi, and I post this information so anyone else who is thinking of doing business with him will be able to form their own conclusions before sending any money to Russia. Anyone wanting more detailed information, please contact me off-List. I can tell you about another great offer I received from Nigeria : ) Sincerely, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ L'email della prossima generazione? Puoi averla con la nuova Yahoo! Mail: http://it.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Illinois meteorite
I would like to make a profound announcement (out of character for me?). Why don't all list members from Illinois NOT let us know when they have an object that is not scientifically classified until the rock comes back as a REAL METEORITE.If I brought it to the list each time someone brought me a meteorwrong, you would be bombarded weekly with a meteorwrong announcement. I am quite sure that on a week to week basis, we would collectively receive around fifty or more meteorwrong suspected meteorite announcements if we all reported every rock that some joker brought to a list member hoping it was a meteorite. Please do not post to the list each time someone brings you a meteorwrong that hasn't been tested. It wastes all of our time. Dave Freeman mjwy Rock Springs,WY Mr EMan wrote: Sigh...So we are back again to Irons having fusion crust. Sorry I don't see the fusion crust. Crust or no, this aborted art project does not have the hallmarks of being a meteorite. The statement that said this will be the 3rd Iron from Illinois sure came across as a meteorite announcement that just foregone formality of investigation. The Vision Rock was also not a scam or hoax in the owner's mind. I guess we old timers are so cynical we'd demand a bacteria count on the milk of human kindness. Elton --- Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Forwarded Message From: Barb Otto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 06:09:34 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Illinois meteorite Michael, Please forward this message ... And thanks for helping me til I have no problems posting myself. Dear List, Nobody said that this is definitely a meteorite. The man who found the piece simply found it in his backyard while he was moving soil. He brought it to a rock shop because he thought it may be a meteorite. He is NOT claiming that it fell through his roof, crashed through a window or anything like that. The only reason that I told him it could be a meteorite and that it was worth testing is that it appears to have crust. So, please relax. This no scam, no hoax, nothing of the sort. Bob Evans -- End of Forwarded Message __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fredericksburg meteorite and politics of science
Dear Steve; In both cases it appears as a case of this consortium thinking they were invincible and when in fact in the free enterprise world, money talks and well, we know what walks. Maybe Mr. Wasson's consortium needed to be burned a time or two to learn a lesson. He who hesitates is lost, time waits for no one. Lead, follow, or get out of the road. Very fascinating story! Thank you for sharing! Best, Dave Freeman Steve Schoner wrote: To all, Notwithstanding, I do not intend to step on anyone's foot now, but I must weigh in on this issue. Bear with me, this will be a long post... First, I make initial contact with a Mrs. Hodges or was it Hodge (I think one or the other was her name) up in Alaska. She called me long distance after seeing my meteorite identification site. I can't remember which year it was, but I think it was 1999. She informed me that her husband might have a 100 lb iron meteorite outside the house. I was intrigued by her description of it. I asked her why it was outside, and she said it was used to prop up an ash can. I told her to send me a fragment of it. She then said that it was solid iron and would bend or dent rather than fragment. I told her how one could remove a fragment if it was sold iron. Remove a piece with a carbide hack saw. But do not overheat the piece as this would destroy the crystal structure needed to identify it as a meteorite. Her husband did as I instructed and I received a 190 gm end piece two weeks later. Thoughts went through my mind. This meteorite did not look like Odessa. It's oxide was too thin, and the oxide surface of the endpiece had some definite angular crystals where pieces had broken off, perhaps in flight. I thought, hexahedrite, or maybe an ataxite. I was not sure. So, I took a 20 gram sliver of the endpiece, polished and etched it. I then thought, hexahedrite, but maybe an ataxite. I had no doubt that it was a meteorite. I called Mrs Hodges back with the information. She told me that she always suspected that it was a meteorite. Then the subject of where it was found came up. She told me that it was found in Texas, but was not sure where. But since she was in Fredricksburg, TX she thought that it may have been found near there. She told me that when they moved to Alaska they brought it up there as an unusual rock. But they did not place any value on it so they used it as a support for an ash can. I asked her to take it out of its place as an ash can prop and bring it inside as it is quite valuable. She said really that ugly thing? How much? I told her I did not know as tests would have to be done. After that I would get in touch with her again. Now, being that I was at the time involved with Dr. Wasson on my abortive Meteor Crater project, I contacted him. After I told him I had received an iron from a person in Alaska, he wanted me to send a piece to him. I kept the larger end piece and sent about 20 grams of the cut and polished section that I had made from it. After he got it, he contacted me by phone, very excited that it was indeed a hexahedrite. Now, Dr. Wasson had established a consortium or interested institutions to purchase meteorites that I sorted out of the thousands of meteorwrongs that I regularly receive. Now I will divert from the so called Fredericksburg, TX meteorite, for a moment... One of my identifications was the infamous Lamont, KS Meteorite I was the first to recognize it as a mesosiderite after its finder, Mr. Haas send me a piece sometime in 1994. Dr. Wasson's so called consortium was to buy it. And for my efforts I would get no less than a mere 5% of the main mass. Initially, all of it was to go to the institutions as I was the one that originally recognized it. I had worked out a deal with Mr. Haas where we would obtain it for about $10,000. Dr. Wasson's consortium would forward to me the $10,000. I would fly out and consummate the deal. And according to our deal I would get for my efforts, no less than 5% of the meteorite, that would have worked out to 1.8 kilos. Dr. Wasson then said to me that maybe we should let the dealers know that we had heads up on this deal. I was not keen on that at all, as I thought that this could create problems. I strongly advised him not to contact the dealers, as I was the one that made the identification. But... Dr Wasson contacted Marvin Killgore, and Bob Haag to let them know of our find. Then no sooner had this happened that Bob Haag flew out KS to see the meteorite. He offered $20,000 then and there. Mr. Haas deferred, thinking that it was worth much more. Haas was star stuck. He even thought that this meteorite could be worth $100,000. I tried to talk him down from the clouds to a more realistic value. But the auctions began over the telephone. Dr. Wasson's consortium competed with Bob Haag and Marvin Killgore with Mr. Haas as the auctioneer. It was bad. Bob Haag upped the anti and outbid himself shortly
Re: [meteorite-list] a question on fusion crust
I think the archives will have a dozen pages of debate over this issue that was just recycled through the list about three weeks, three month, three season, three years ago We seem to have no clear winner as the minority screamed louder. Dave F. Michael Murray wrote: Hi List, Are you ready for a dumb question! Here goes... Is there a more definitive description of the blackened outer layer on the surface of iron meteorites than simply referring to it as fusion crust? From what I can gather looking at different pictures of stonys, they seem to have a glassy or melted layer of the material of the stone. I can see that being a 'crust'. On at least some irons, there is a coating but it doesn't appear glassy, just blackened. I'm guessing that that coating is partially resulting from burning of the gases in the atmosphere? If it is a 'crust', it is not much of one. It looks like a very thin coating of soot that is adhered to the stone, although more durable than soot. This is probably one of those dumb questions that the Collection of Wisdom would answer. The stone in this picture has the blackened layer I'm referring to: http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p124/mmurray_02/IMG_0319.jpg Michael Murray __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ancient Astroid
I saw it. The world is a catastrophe. Then and now. Scaring us all to death. Dave F. Where's my umbrella! Gerald Flaherty wrote: Has anyone seen the National Geographic special called Ancient Astroid? It is a recent study of Libian Desert Glass attributing its origin to an atmospheric blast a 1000x more powerful than that at Tunguska. Jerry Flaherty __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] My Apologies to All
Not to be a retard but what does this two dollar word mean? vituperatives In an apology to all, shouldn't the apology be conprehendable to all? How about using a word we can understand. df Gary K. Foote wrote: Paul and List, Despite the contentious nature of some of the posts between Paul and myself I want to apologize to this list for airing these vituperatives publicly. I know this is not a place for such antics and will refrain from future diatribes like those in which I have participated in recent days. Paul - I understand that your father is ill and, having lost my own father in 1971, can empathize with you wholeheartedly. An ill parent is a very scary situation to find yourself dealing with. I pray for your Dad's rapid return to health and for peace to you and your entire family. Please excuse my abrupt email to you following your recent list post, which was obviously an attempt to help others and not one intended to enrich yourself. Your contributions to meteorics is well known and I hope we can virtually shake hands and begin again. My apologies to all, Gary K. Foote __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] RICHLAND, Final
PLEASE TAKE THIS OFF THE LIST, WE DO NOT CARE AT THIS POINT...THE BATTLE DOES NOT INVOLVED THE LIST AT THIS POINT. PLEASE, FOR THE SAKE OF THE NEW LIST MEMBERS THAT ARE ALSO SICK OF THE BICKER MATCH. Dave F. Jason Utas wrote: Mike, All (...), I apologized to those who deserved it. After what you said, I don;t believe you should get one. You seem to think that your account of the dates was correct. I don't. Steve Schoner just posted to say that your account is false as well. -- And you did assume that John had withheld information from you out of spite. I stupidly believed you when you stated that you had actually tried to contact him to resolve the issue as opposed to brooding on it for seven years. Sorry Mike, I don;t believe in multiple dropped emails. It doesn't happen that often - and even if it did, by whatever stroke of luck, actually happen, you still decided to simply sit there in steeping malevolence for the better half of a decade, instead of simply calling him (google his name, the number's there). I only stated the supposition that he was angry with you after believing what you said about repeated contact, etc. If your statement had been true, then yes, the statements that I made before would have been justified. I apologized or the incorrectness of these, based on the faulty information I was fed by you. When I say that I try to contact a person, I don;t simply give up after a few emails that aren't responded to, sorry. If that ever happens, I call, write, go see them - anything to ensure that they actually get whatever message they need to get (assuming that it's something as important as this sort of issue, which ends in a clearly malevolent misunderstanding on your part - lasting for seven years). So yes, I'm sorry my statements regarding John's intentions were not true. They were less vindictive than yours, which you already state you apologized for. I apologized for mine regarding him as well. However, unless you discount Steve Schoner's take on the story as well, I see no way in which you can possibly defend your statements from before. The time scale, as I stated before, was indeed measured in months instead of years. Not only I, but Steve as well stated this. The only real problem that I see is that you believe unconditionally that your account of what happened seven years ago is correct. I hate to break it to you Mike, but even *you* can be wrong. Jason *And Mike, you can take my name out of the address list in your messages - the only reason I'm still getting any mail from you is that it's routed through the list. On 3/20/07, Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jason, this is sad, your attempt at an apology by saying that everything that I said was a lie is not an apology at all. I have emailed Dr. Wasson privately, apologized for any mmisunderstanding or percieved wrongs by either one of us. That being said, every last thing I said on this list is true as far as my attempting to get the data for the last seven years. You actually need to stop saying that I am a liar on here. This is clearly your intent. This is not a private matter, there were issues involved with this meteorite that affected the hundreds of collectors that paid for it. Some of the things should not have been said, that is true. But the facts needed to be heard. You told me John was angry at me snatching the meteorite from under him and yourself, the fact that I never got a response for years seems to play to that fact. What else was I supposed to think, when my emails went unanswered? If Dr. Wasson never saw them, then it is a simple matter of mail lost in cyberspace, not an uncommon thing these days. Again Jason, I have emailed Dr. Wasson, thanked him for providing the data today, and apologized to him for any percieved wrong. Now it is time to let it drop, we have the data, that is all we need now. Just please do not call me a liar again, that is a little difficult for me to ignore. thanks everyone, including Dr. Wasson for cleaning the closet and putting a name to Fredericksburg/Richland. Michael Farmer By the, this is exactly what this list is here for, the sharing of information, even if it takes some chatter to get the information shaken out of the trees. --- Jason Utas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, Dr. Wason just emailed both Mike and myself, clearing this entire issue up. I don't know exactly why this entire argument was brought to the list's attention, as it was clearly a private matter, and for this I apologize. After the ridiculous accusations that Mike posted against John (which were founded in fasle assumptions made on Mike's part), I also responded with comments that were technically untrue. I would like to clear this up. Mike stated that John refused to send him the data because of a disagreement that they had regarding the purchase of the iron by Mike. I assumed that Mike knew what he was talking about, and wasn't simply
[meteorite-list] A short thesis on weathered NWA's and other thread killers
Dear List; I just received a hundred grams of some very weathered NWA's, at first I was not even sure they were meteorites at all. Mild attraction to a magnet but other than that, not a drop of crust, they looked like crumbled red to tan clay bricks that should have been thrown out in the driveway. I cut off a corner of each and sure enough, iron specks in prime condition and quite hard on the interior. Now, I recall seeing these deteoritated red bricks at a few indian campsites in past years and the detector buzzing on them. At the time I thought there was an iron factor caused by heating sandstone that had some iron in it. Back then, I was memorizing fusion crust in my brainI suspect that not all about meteorites is fusion crust, and as a cold hunter, that maybe I have made way too much to do about fusion crust.Fresh fusion crust is a wonderful thing but I am seriously thinking I may have done a great injustice to my hunting efforts by not studying the most weathered clinkers as those may be much more common than meteorites with good crust, or even meteorites with ANY crust. I was quite surprised and actually amazed to discover that really weathered H-4-5's look so much like wasted brick. I suspect that I have seen a number of severely weathered meteorites and passed them up due to the fact that they weren't round at all, had no crust, had no visible chondrules, and if not for a mild attraction to a magnet, and the detector noting SOMETHING that I would have not even remembered the where abouts or even the occurrence. I couldn't even call these subjects rusty rocks even. Clinkers is a good word except for real clinkers tend to be vesicular for the most part. Thoughts? Dave F. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Not and Idea for list to think about - Thanks for the fe...
Bravo Ken! My having shared a Tucson dinner table with these two gentlemen of the meteorite society exposed me to two of the finest high morality collectors that we may ever meet. They donate their time to us at a level that not many others do. Paul and Jim are as pristine as a new fusion crust and I would go so far as to say that even some among us are not worthy to be associated with this elite class of fine meteorite society gentlemen. Sincerely, Dave Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/15/2007 9:58:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gary, Not to me! Of persons who have unselfishly given most to the meteorite community, Paul and Jim are at the top of the list. In my opinion, you hurt yourself as well as those new to collecting by slanderously attributing your perceived motives to others. These are the good guys, not the enemy. __ Well said Ken! Regards, Michael Johnson http://www.spacerocksinc.com/ http://www.sikhote-alin.org/ ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question: Just How ...?
Dear Robert: Missed one! I was a diamond prospector and gold prospector in need of a new metal detector; and I found a White's metal detector dealer just three blocks from my house! My new associate says that I could find a meteorite besides gold and I was all earswith in a minute I was holding a CD of about 3 pounds! I also held a large Campo, and a few other meteorites. For six years this guy was my best buddy in meteorites.but, I found the first Wyoming meteorite between us and still hold that friendly title. He has me on the fulgerites though. Best, Dave Freeman Rock Springs, WY Robert Woolard wrote: Hello List, There was a lot of interest and positive comments on the thread concerning whether or not members still had their first meteorite. I'd like to ask a related question that I think might be interesting. The question is: How did you find out that it was possible to actually BUY a meteorite!? I will list the most likely ways that come to my mind (doubtless there will be others) in no particular order: 1.Magazine AD (such as Astronomy or Sky Telescope) 2.Magazine ARTICLE about collecting meteorites 3.Catalog offering meteorites for sale 4.Internet browsing and accidentally came across 5.TV program, featuring Haag, Farmer, etc. 6.Friend was a collector and got you hooked, too 7.You are a mineral collector, led to meteorites 9.You are a fossil collector, led to meteorites 10.Auction listed meteorites up for bid 11.Other OK, that's about all the ways I can think of right off hand. I hope that the question is of interest. And by the way, MY answer would be #5 above, as I saw a VERY young Robert Haag on the David Letterman show WAY back in 1986. I was thrilled to see that here was a guy who was actually making it possible for me to buy my very own meteorite! I called directory assistance the very next day, got Robert's telephone number, called him, ordered 10 specimens, and what a ride it has been since!! Best wishes, Robert Woolard 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Not and Idea for list to think about - Thanks forthe feedba
Sohow long before a code was broken by all of disco ball sellers?.I guess a few days, is it worth the effort? DF tracy latimer wrote: I was one of the beta-test people who suggested a meteorite-list code to cut down on the fake tektites, disco balls, perfume, bad DVDs, etc. that are probably a third of what is offered on the meteorite category on ebay. I too am tired of trawling through every other auction being 98% unrelated to the hobby of collecting and analyzing meteorites. This site is being offered as an alternate for meteorite lovers to slogging through ebay's morass, and I am all for it! Tracy Latimer _ Play Flexicon: the crossword game that feeds your brain. PLAY now for FREE. http://zone.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmtagline __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Who's still got their first meteorite?
Dear List; I have my first meteorite yet, a CD that is 135 grams. I paid $1 a gram at that time back in 1998. Dave F. Pat Brown wrote: Hi Ruben and the List, This is a great topic. I still have the first meteorite I purchased. It is a small Canyon Diablo. I also have the first meteorite that I found, a small Tungsten Mountain. There is also joy in giving away meteorites. This past Christmas, I gave a small Tungsten Mountain meteorite to each of my nephews and nieces. I printed an 8.5 x 11 glossy of the in-situ photo and framed this with the meteorite in a gem jar velcroed to the front of the frame, on the back of the frame is a color printout of a USGS topo map with the location that the meteorite was found. Each of the kids really enjoyed them. One niece took hers to class and used it for show and tell. Kids need things that make science fun and meaning full. Pat --- Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I'm sure I am atypical. For years I sold, traded, lost, or gave away just about every meteorite I ever found. It wasn't till about a year or two ago that I actually started collecting them. Even now I only hold on to the very best of what I find. I really regret selling some meteorites though, as some of my very best finds are in other peoples collections. Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545367 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Suspected Meteorite Hits Illinois Home
Can anyone get ahold of the famous Myth Busters in the San Francisco area, this one would be a great one for Jammie to tackle! Best, Dave F myth busted. Matson, Robert wrote: Hi Ken, In case you missed the video: http://www.pantagraph.com/video/2007/030507_spaceobject/ Thanks very much for posting the video link. Now we can see that although my estimate yesterday of the computer table's depth of two feet was maybe a little high, the hole in the window is far less than the 5-1/2 feet above the table I generously allowed. Which means the entry angle must be considerably less steep than the 70 degrees that has been claimed. Looks closer to 60 degrees, demonstrating once again that most people are not very accurate when it comes to estimating angles. Note that there was no tree or other structure immediately outside the bedroom window to redirect the metal through the window. No matter how generous you want to get with prevailing winds or aerodynamic lift, I don't think you can get the ballistics to work for a chunk of exoatmospheric metal. --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim tkw compilation: RESULTS
Dear Zelimir; I enjoyed reading your post. Just a thought, when is France going to pressure all colletors/collections to give their specimens back? Dave F. Zelimir Gabelica wrote: Dear list, I wish to thank many of you for having provided new or corrected data for my compilation of Ensisheim meteorite masses. Now that the reception of such data had slowed down significantly, I am ready to send you, on request, my provisional compilation list as updated by March 6, 2007. Just feel free to ask for a copy, off list. Note; this list could be found on the Ensisheim web site in a near future). I also made the first evaluations and here are the results with some comments: 1) So far there are 158 different repositories, 73 of them involving official institutes, museums…and 85 being in private hands. 2) While the total mass in each repository is accurate (the weights are taken as received), it is difficult to evaluate how many pieces are deposited in each place. When the number of pieces held in a (mostly private) collection is known, this was indicated (if more than one). 3) Except in few cases (Paris, London…museums), the precision is within one gram, meaning that the meteorite was probably never weighed with a higher accuracy, even if the mass is small. 4) The presently existing total mass computed so far reaches 69,046.385 grams, which represents 54.37% of the initial mass that is thought to be 127 kg, meaning that more than 45 % are still missing ! (or at least not on the present census). 5) The mass repartition is very inequivalent, thus: - Museums institutes: 67,735.126 g (98.1%) - Private collections: 1,311.259 g (1.9%) (Note that the 53,831 g held at the Regency Palace in Ensisheim represent almost 78% of the big total (Institutes + private)). 6) The largest mass held in a private collection is with Marlin Cilz (416 g, 6th rank), but this (old) number would require confirmation (see below). The smallest mass held in a private collection, 0.05 g, was so far reported by Rhett Bourland (Evansville, IN). The smallest mass held in an official institute (rank 133) is from Black Hills Inst Geol. Res. (SD) and weighs 0.946 g 7) As reported before, my compilation was based on previous repositories or set of data, basically stemming from MetBase (2003), BM catalog (Grady 2000), Ensisheim archives (Schmützer, 1993), more recently completed by data provided by R. Kempton, NEMS (2003), Jörn Koblitz (2007 MetBase edition) and Pierre-Marie Pelé (his own compilation achieved in 2006-2007 that allowed me to precise many old museum/institute old figures). Most of the private repositories come from your own data kindly sent on a regular basis through the list. Some reports came more recently from the subscribers of P.-M. Pelé’s “Encyclopedia of Meteorites”, upon specific call. I warmly thank again all of you for this extremely valuable help! 8) My compilation is being increased and improved permanently and your further help is always very much appreciated. Here are some data that I’d like to complete and for which I could not contact the owner(s) directly, for various reasons. If anyone can help, this will be more than great. Some specific questions: A) I need the accurate masses held in the following museums, for which I have old data ( 20 years) and/or inaccurate masses (the masses (in grams) I have, are given in parentheses): Berlin (905), Vienna (660), Tübingen (316), US NM (WA) (258), Uppsala (SE) (210), Tempe (AZ) (209), Cambridge (GB) (133), AMS (NY) (111), Göttingen (111), Calcutta (77), Basel (77), Copenhagen (74), Strasbourg (FR) (74), Oxford (GB) (71), Paris Ecole des Mines (38), Freiberg (DE) (28), Harvard (MA) 21), Moscow Geol. Mus (11), Tallin (ES) (11), TCU Fort Worth (“only” 4.3 g…), St Petersburg (RU) (4)…some museum in Holland (???) B) Same question, from the following private collections: Cilz (416), Labenne (88), Haag (85), Horejsi (28.2), Heinlein (26.5), Du Pont coll (8 g…still exists ?) C) The repositories are classified by cities (as in MetBase). I need the following data: Is J. Schwade living in Kankakee or in Crystal Lake ? Is Marc Labenne living in Sarasota (FL) or in Tergnion (France) ? Which are the cities and US States where live: - R. C. Cavalieri (USA) ? - J.-M. Daillier (France) ? - P. Pibburns (USA) ? THANKS SO MUCH ONCE MORE ! Best wishes, Zelimir Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hmmers
Maybe they live in glass houses and do not prefer to be around stones thrown or otherwise. DF Darren Garrison wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 14:03:03 -0800, you wrote: Greetings all, I have come across many falls (such as Kilabo) where a fall is reported to occur throughout a villiage, with many stones recovered, yet none are reported to hit a hut, shed, house, or the like. (In the instance of Kilabo, it is reported to have fallen in 5 different villages). There MUST be a hammer or two whenever there are dozens of recoveries in a village. For instance, I have nine different hammers from Park Forest. Does anyone know how it can be that entire villages are pelted and not one hammer is included in the report? Maybe the people in the villages don't go climbing around on their rooves? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Suspected Meteorite Hits Illinois Home
Dear List;] Here is the email address of the photographer and story artist You may all wish to ask him to follow up on the story to either disprove, or prove the rock in question. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best, Dave Freeman RS WY Ron Baalke wrote: http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2007/03/05/news/doc45ec62e14a6c2722505892.txt Suspected meteorite hits Bloomington home By M.K. Guetersloh Pantagraph (Bloomington, Illinois) March 5, 2007 UPDATE 2:30 p.m. BLOOMINGTON - A Bloomington couple caught a falling star Monday morning not quite in their pockets but in a bedroom of their house. A chunk of metal that crashed through the bedroom window of David and Dee Riddle just after 9:30 a.m. appears may be a meteorite but it also could be a piece of space junk according to preliminary analysis by several Illinois State University geology professors. However, the professors who had a look at it agree that whatever the heavy, gray metal-based object that crashed through their window definitely came from space. Robert Skip Nelson, a professor of geology at ISU, came out to Riddles' home to take a look at the object, which is about the size and shape of deck of cards. Nelson said based on the density of the object, the metal could be an iron-nickel mixture or a heavy stainless steel. It is unlikely a satellite or spacecraft would contain metal that heavy and dense, Nelson said. In my 36 years of investigating meteorite calls, this looks like the real thing, Nelson said. Nelson said to be sure the next step will be to call the United State Geological Survey's meteorite center in Flagstaff, Ariz. Because of the steep entry angle into the house and the speed the object crashed into the house, Nelson said is definitely was not a rock thrown at the window. Eric Peterson, an assistant professor of geology, calculated the speed the possible meteorite hit the home was at least 60 miles an hour. Dee Riddle, who runs a day-care out of their Partner Place house, said she heard the crash and felt the house shake around 9:30 a.m. My first thought was a bathroom mirror fell so I immediately started looking, Riddle said. That's when I found the hole in the mini-blinds and the broken window. We were just lucky no one was sitting at the computer when it happened. In addition to breaking through the window, the possible meteorite hit the computer desk putting a hole through the particle board. Nelson said the last confirmed meteorite to hit Bloomington was in the 1930s. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Suspected Meteorite Hits Illinois Home
Dear Ken, Is it me or is this a poor example of fusion crust and thumbprints?? I don't see it yet as I stand on my head to look at the photo up side down. I still go with hoodlums chucking a piece of foundry steel through a window, or some industrial mishap that launched debris over a distance. No one will probably 'fess up to either with out the copper's coming down on them. Where is the nearest train tracks from the house? Has anyone addressed the sound issue yet? I don't recall any reports of any sonic booms or other sound effects in the press release. Certainly one of the school children would have heard it, well maybe. Dave F. ken newton wrote: Hi, In case you missed the video: http://www.pantagraph.com/video/2007/030507_spaceobject/ In the video, Skip mentions fusion crust and thumbprints on the side we did not see. Thanks to Dave, I wrote the David Proeber and he sent this: http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/temp/03052007bb.jpg Best, ken newton Dave Freeman mjwy wrote: Dear List;] Here is the email address of the photographer and story artist You may all wish to ask him to follow up on the story to either disprove, or prove the rock in question. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best, Dave Freeman RS WY Ron Baalke wrote: http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2007/03/05/news/doc45ec62e14a6c2722505892.txt __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FLEABAY CRIME NEWS
Dear List; I was surprised to read that ebay may be doing something about crime read on! This came from the ebay information page. Hi everyone... I'm Mike Rou, Senior Manager, Global Law Enforcement Operations. My team works with law enforcement agencies around the world to pursue, apprehend, and prosecute fraudsters who may use eBay or PayPal to commit their crimes. Due to the legal nature of the work my team does, our efforts to fight these crimes often need to stay behind the scenes. Here are some interesting facts for 2006: # We contributed to 549 arrests since January 2006, resulting in 351 prison years for the convicted criminals involved # We disrupted a major Tanzanian theft ring responsible for stealing $6MM in Hewlett Packard servers # We facilitated the first case between the Chinese Immigration and Customs Enforcement and China police which involved $840,000 in counterfeit DVDs # We trained around 200 Romanian police, judges and prosecutors on how to investigate and prosecute cyber criminals Dave F. mjwy __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Met Central posting problems
Jones's corollary- the more spammy the post the more likely it is to repeat itself. Dave F. Thread killer Gary K. Foote wrote: I've noticed the same pattern - repeat posts coming thru in bunches. Gary On 2 Mar 2007 at 17:39, David Weir wrote: Dean, When I get that random buch of posts every few days I believe they are all repeats of posts I've already received days earlier and already deleted. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Total Lunar Eclipse
Dear List; Lunar eclipse in Wyoming was interesting but nothing to leave the house about. I spent an hour sitting on a 7,000 foot elevation hill in town, waiting, waiting, waiting. A red moon with a mysterious clouded upper right-hand corner came up about dusk. Moon rose, and was full. Yawn. I have pictures. Dave F. Wrong place to see eclipse. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Steve of Chicago's listings.
Dear Dr. Death, A SA hammer would out rival the Nahala dog hammer in value! DF doctor death wrote: We of the meteorite collecting community owe alot to Big Steve of Chicago. His trades are more like veiled donations to keep specimens flowing into the hands of a luck few who take advantage while his bogus dealing reminders to keep alert to suspicious trades. He is a random as the meteorite falls we cherish. Why without him we'd be calling Steve Arnold of Arkansas... we'll Steve Arnold and what would be the fun of that? Most of all, why if it were not for Steve we would not be blessed with so many meteorites on earth as the Gods in Heaven keep on pummetting down in an attempt to end his merry existance. Oh, how they almost got him in Forrest Park. I hope they keep trying. The day they do, that hammer will go for astromonical amounts as we'll all want a piece of the rock that did in SA of C. I'm sure that's the way he'd like to go, and be remembered. _ Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro*Terms https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=10035url=%2fst.jsptm=ysearch=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f6disc=yvers=743s=4056p=5117 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning to hunters that may be considering...
Dear Gary; I kind of thought that maybe he should live a lonely life as his scare tactic would warrent that all meteorite persons would stay away from such a crabby appleton! His crater and the Peruvian government may be his ONLY FRIENDS! df Gary K. Foote wrote: A rather dark post Randall. Gary On 21 Feb 2007 at 18:44, Randall Gregory wrote: Information is expected to be released in April on the Earth Impact Databasethat will give the exact coordinates to the Peruvian meteorite crater. I have been warned that meteorite hunters will want to turn this site upside down. If anyone wishes to hunt at this site please contact me and we can discuss. Should anyone think about hunting without contacting me. I want you to understand that I have paperwork filing with the Peruvian government giving me mining concession rights to the crater and 100 sq. hectares surrounding the crater. It is a routine matter and approval is expected soon. Even with paperwork pending I still have legal rights here in Peru. I am serious about wanting to keep this crater in pristine condition until scientists have had the opportunity to study it in detail. Peruvian law has very strict laws concerning trespassing, especially when it concerns mines. I will not hesitate to prosecute and trust me, American jails would be considered luxury resorts compared to South American jails. Your sustenance will consist of beans, potatoes, and rice and maybe a piece of chicken if you're lucky.You might get 1 piece of fruit per week. You will have to drink the local water. Diarrhea will be your constant companion. I guarantee you will have non-stop nightmares all night every night. I know the system and I will make every attempt to lengthen your stay. There are ways to block your attempts to contact the American embassy. There is currently astanding rewardforreporting to the police, any meteorite hunter that may wander into this area.The reward is equivalent to 6 months income formost of thepoor people of this area. They arenow watchful and vigilant.The towns of Aplao and Castillo are small. Everybody knows everybody and I have many friends in each. All relevant police agencies have been notified by my Peruvian attorney. My advice, don't even think about it. Alternatively, if you want to hunt at the crater, I am open to discussion, but only after scientific studies have been completed. Randall No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hunting Martian Fossils Best Bet For Locating MarsLife
Dear Sterling; After hunting them here very successfully for 9 (wow that's a very long time) years, I am pretty good at it. Track record: stromatolites found 6 separate genus and species, 8 tons collected meteorites:found 1 L-6 54 grams For hire: middle aged stromatolite prospector Has not flown in 31 years. ...another case of astronaut farmer. Dave F. Sterling K. Webb wrote: Hi, List, discovery may involve finding biologically formed structures in old sedimentary deposits... like stromatolites found here on Earth. I say we get up a kitty to send Dave Freeman! Mars is a lot like Wyoming, Dave, only redder. Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 1:01 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Hunting Martian Fossils Best Bet For Locating MarsLife College of Liberal Arts and Sciences Arizona State University Tempe, Arizona Media contacts: Skip Derra, (602) 510-3402 Robert Burnham, (480) 458-8207 Source: Jack Farmer, (480) 560-1764 Feb. 16, 2007 Hunting Martian fossils best bet for locating Mars life, says ASU researcher SAN FRANCISCO, Calif. -- Hunting for traces of life on Mars calls for two radically different strategies, says Arizona State University professor Jack Farmer. Of the two, he says, with today's exploration technology we can most easily look for evidence for past life, preserved as fossil biosignatures in old rocks. Farmer is a professor of geological sciences in ASU's School of Earth and Space Exploration, where he heads the astrobiology program. He is reporting on his work today (Feb. 16) at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in San Francisco. Searching for extraterrestrial life must follow two alternative pathways, each requiring a different approach and tools, Farmer says. If we're looking for living organisms, we are doing exobiology. But if we are seeking traces -- biosignatures -- of ancient life, it's better to call it exopaleontology. Unfortunately, he notes, for the next 10 or 15 years, technology limitations will force us down the exopaleontology path. The core issue is accessibility. To find living organisms on Mars, says Farmer, you need to find liquid water. Because liquid water is unstable on the Martian surface today, that means going deep into the subsurface. Water saturates the ground in high latitudes north and south, and around both poles, only a few inches below the surface, Farmer explains. But this water remains frozen year round. Environments with liquid water will likely lie far deeper, perhaps miles below the surface. Organisms have been found living in fractured rock, thousands of feet underground on Earth, Farmer notes. But with current robotic technology, we simply can't drill that deep on Mars. Terrestrial deep drilling requires complex, heavy equipment, plus constant supervision and troubleshooting by human crews. Says Farmer, We'll be lucky if, in the next decade or so, robotic drilling on Mars reaches a depth of a couple yards. So where does that leave us in the search for life on Mars? Farmer says our best choice is to pursue the exopaleontology path. Finding the signatures of an ancient Martian biosphere means exploring old rocks that might preserve traces of life for millions or billions of years, Farmer notes. Among the best places to look on Mars, he says, are deposits left by springs and former lakes in the heavily cratered highlands. The rocks there date from a period in Martian history when liquid water was common at the surface. In fact, says Farmer, conditions on Mars then were likely similar to those on the early Earth at the time when life began. Besides water, life also requires energy sources and organic chemical building blocks, Farmer explains. The Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity found ample evidence for water in ancient rocks at Meridiani Planum, but the rovers' instruments can't detect organic materials. However, NASA's next rover, the Mars Science Laboratory, will carry instruments to analyze traces of organic substances. It is due for launch in 2009. Recognizing a Martian fossil may be difficult. We're not talking about stumbling over dinosaur bones, Farmer says. Instead, the discovery may involve finding biologically formed structures in old sedimentary deposits, perhaps like stromatolites found here on Earth. Stromatolites are distinctive structures that form in shallow oceans, lakes, or streams where microbial colonies trap sediments to form thin repeating layers. Stromatolites also contain microscopic cellular remains and chemical traces left by the microbes that formed them. Taken together, such structures comprise the primary record of life in ancient rocks on Earth. For hunting Martian
Re: [meteorite-list] Hambleton Pallasite
Geoff; You forgot to mention all the sampling of the holbrook lepus leavings! A rich-u-al in itself! And that Peru thing is just a pile on for comedy! Dave F. ebay id mjwy Rock Springs, Wyoming Notkin wrote: Dave Harris posted: You guys have been going on about Holbrook as if it was the most important thing in the world and also on and on about this speculative Peru fall - isn't this all a bit parochial? Is the Hambleton pallasite really that boring? Maybe you all know about it already and I'm just slow to get on the boat - that is quite possible too. Dear Dave: I think it's probably more that Rob's pallasite was discovered in August of 2005, so we all already know about it. There are also numerous photos of Rob's great find on his website. Many, many List members have hunted at Holbrook -- it's something of a ritual before and after the Tucson show. So, a big find there is something that a lot of us who have traipsed the soggy red dunes, picking up weathered crumbs and micro-individuals can relate to personally. And the Peru thing . . . well that's just damn entertaining : ) Respectfully, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ill need more
Dear Sterling; There are innumerable historical accounts of fabulous events for which at the time there was no rational explanation that are perfectly and consistently what would be expected from a meteorite that are presently blythely dismissed as being without proof. Sort of reminds me of that dog discussion, did the dog die from being bumped in the head by the meteorite or was he just turned to ashes because he was barbecued? Long live Nakhala dog and other odd stories that can't be proven like this one. Dave F. latenight Sterling K. Webb wrote: Hi, Michael, Jeffrey, List Michael, as you well know, if the stone is not preserved, conserved, abducted by a museum, university, or government agency, examined by a geologist, mineralogist, scholar, savant, published, mentioned, noted, or abstracted, and then, in more scientific times, cut, sectioned, analyzed, poked in the noble gases and asked to cough --- it does not exist. There is no meteorite named ZVEZVAN, no entries in the Catalogue, no specimens, no slices, no nothing. Just an article in the NYTimes and one dead wedding guest. Not much, unless the wedding guest mattered to you. Doesn't mean it didn't happen. What? Slow news day in Zvezvan? There are innumerable historical accounts of fabulous events for which at the time there was no rational explanation that are perfectly and consistently what would be expected from a meteorite that are presently blythely dismissed as being without proof. There is a well-known case of a Franciscan monk of Milan being killed by a meteorite striking him in the leg (17th century). This is a much disputed account despite a large number of witness and perfectly consistent details. It was called a celestial stoning, the notion of meteorites being unknown at the time, and was widely reported and well attested, but is widely regarded by the experts of today as the report of the ignorant and the credulous. Then, in 1985, a historian quite accidentally discovered a lengthy account written by the physician who attempted to save the monk's life (and failed). The autopsy report is clear: the man's thigh was punctured side-to-side by a blocky piece of heavy dark stone larger than a bullet; the wound would have been survivable except that the stone severed the femoral artery and the victim bled out. Those 17th century guys just didn't realize that without a video tape of the whole thing, nobody was ever going to believe them! No guest shot on Oprah for them... But, frankly, to dismiss entirely these accounts for which there is no inherent clause for dismissal as the report of the ignorant and the credulous is... What's the word? Oh, yes: ignorant and credulous. But I'm just re-iterating in a minor way the discussion in Chap. 13 of Lewis book. Go read that, an excellent book on meteorites. Jeffrey, if you have archival access to the NYT, you might try for March 11, 1897 (1:4) account of a meteorite whose fragments pierced walls, killed one horse, injured another, and knocked out cold a man named David Leisure, in New Martinsville, West Virginia, apparently an explosive air-burst. (That's all I have, and that may have been all that was in the Times.) As for the glowing hot references in such accounts, that is the result of one of the great fallacies of human perception and need not invalidate an account. Ascribing heat to meteorites is akin to seeing lightening as red. Before 1800, in the many hundreds of descriptions of lightening to be found in the literatures of every culture on the planet, lightening is described as being red in color. I accumulated 700 references to the color of lightening prior to the late 18th century and found only one reference to blue lightening; ALL others were red. Since the early 19th century, lightening is always described as blue, blue-white, bluish white. Why? Better eyesight nowadays? No. Before 1800, everyone knew lightening was fire from heaven, and fire is red. Now, everyone knows that lightening is electrical, a gigantic atmospheric spark, and electricity is blue (or blue-white). Any (and every) fool knows that. Human beings DO NOT SEE what's in front of them; they DO SEE what they know to be true. They know meteorites are fiery objects, so they're hot. Reality has nothing to do with it. A great many genuine in-the-book historical falls come with witness descriptions of hot rocks. Whether there are ever any real hot rocks is impossible to determine because they're going to be reported as hot whether they were or not. Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jeffrey Shallit [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ill need more Hi Jeffrey, Thanks! However, I
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite in New Hampshire
Not to mention that practice makes perfect! If not this one, maybe the nextand it beats sitting around the house dreaming about doing something fun! Dave F Where meteorite hunting season has reopened for the year. Thomas Webb wrote: Hi Gary, Let's hope your efforts will uncover a new meteorite, but if they don't, it still makes for an interesting story. That, plus the possibility of success makes it well worth the chase! Thank you very much for the information and the pictures! My best, Thomas Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] venusmeteorite - Space slag, Boggy creek, Alien gems, Frass marble traders. What a circus
Geeze, boggy creek all over again! DF Bill wrote: I'm glad I never bothered to follow this thread. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 09:35:43 -0800 (PST) To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] venusmeteorite - Space slag, Boggy creek, Alien gems, Frass marble traders. What a circus I would like to thank those people that responded to my questions. I am thinking of retiring from the list for short time to finish my research and have the impact crater registered. I need to devote my time elsewhere.To the people that have provided encouragement, support and would like further updates, Email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll send them off-list. I will keep my promise of payment for identical photos of my samples, but I am now not actively soliciting them. I am growing increasingly frustrated and need to regain my composure. So far, nobody has ever answered my basic question What definitive testing will prove space weathering. Recently, a meteorite dealer told me that pictures of my samples were sandstone covered by desert varnish even after I told him that the rocks were basaltic and geologists at the National University in Peru have never seen rocks like this. I've seen desert varnish many many times on my searches for fossilized Megalodon teeth in the Peruvian desert. Peruvian geologists are highly trained and well respected. This and other insults from meteorite dealers made me realize that alot of people are just marble traders and have little scientific knowledge or formal training. Some found meteorite trading profitable and others it's just an off-shoot of their main business of minerals and fossils. Some took their weekend excursions into strewn fields armed with metal detectors and found some meteorites to sell on e-bay. I mean no disrespect to any collectors with a genuine interest and appreciation of meteorites. I find them fascinating. You can sense my frustration. I agree that most know their marbles. Hey, I have a steelie, wanna trade. Yo, I have a peral-lie for sale. Wanna see a picture of a shooter? ooohhh I've got a cat's eye. So, along comes a guy with something a bit unusual. Hey, I found something and I'll call it a spark-lie for now. It looks like your marbles, rolls like your marbles, but I can't prove that it's a marble. Can you help me find out what it is? I'll even give you one for free. And alot of the marble players say sorry you can't play in our game with your unknown marbles and we're too busy buying and trading to help you. Buzz off. There has been speculation resulting from artificial ablation studies on terrestrial rocks that some meteorites may have a clear or transparent fusion crust. Hey, we now have a clear-rie! What marble dealer would recognize this as a marble? You know, I even offered to send (post-paid) a free sample to some dealers and never received a reply. I've read enough, and I'm done with dealers. Dealers reporting stolen meteorites then selling the missing meteorites to absentee bidders. The eBay scams, alien gemstones, space slag, dishonest dealers, and people looking only to profit has tainted my view somewhat of the people involved in the meteorite field. Some of you might recall the story of a well-known meteorite dealer that was accused of stealing a very valuable meteorite (considered to be a national treasure) from a museum in Brazil. He was apprehended at the airport with the meteorite in his luggage... Other people have e-mailed me and said my website www.venusmeteorite.com http://www.venusmeteorite.com/ was very nice. IT IS NOT MY WEBSITE!!! and I never claimed my samples were from Venus. I repeat, my samples are identical to the ones found on venusmeteorite.com. That's all. I don't have a website. What a circus. I realized that the people that I should be talking to are volcanologists (neck-deep in lava, so to speak). They can give me a real expert opinion on basaltic rocks. So I am now taking the opposite approach. If volcanologists have never seen rocks like this and geologists have never seen rocks like this, then... guess what? If it can't be found on Earth then ... The response I've received from the people in the field of volcanology has been fantastic. They've requested samples, and will make 40 micron slices. They will be sending samples to other universities and another to friends at the Smithsonian Institution for further analysis and expert opinion. This is the type of response I was hoping from the meteorite community but never received. I received a great deal of ridicule. The exception are the few scientists that helped answer some of my questions. To them, my thanks
[meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION SCENE.
Dear List; As many of you who know me already know, I quit drinking a long time ago (20 years come August) as I couldn't remember crap, or conduct business, or personal affairs when drunk, 1/4 full of beer, or plowed. MAYBE THERE MAY BE A TIME WHEN SOME INDIVIDUALS, or certain or all auctions should consider offering sober auctions to sober people. How many people at an auction, and how many have had over 2 drinks per hour? 2 drinks per hour is too much to drive a car in Wyoming-you go to jail. My point exactly. You wouldn't go to your banker drunk, you shouldn't go buy a new car drunk, why would you intend on spending serious money at an auction and have a snoot full? I personally think if you intend on bidding to leave the bottle alone, and if you are there to just watch to sit in the back and shut up. I realize the Tucson show is a big party but the money changing hands maybe should take place in a more sobering daytime environment and let the partying be for after the money/auctions are done. Just my 2 cents on all the lost and lost track of meteorite, meteorite prices, all the garbage being thrown, Just grow up a little and lay off the booze when doing business. Seems really sensible to me. Dave F. . __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting a Window
Hola Gary, List; I have a little masonry saw sort of like a 4 skill saw and it came from Home Depot for $50 included the blade. It would cut stony meteorites as Bill noted, use a wood jawed vice make a rip guide so you cut straight and even, the saw has a water cooling system that attaches to a garden hose, should work fine, I suppose a hack saw might work but a tiny rock trim saw that most rock shops have would do a good job too, just remember to dry correctly to get rid of the water. Dave F. Bill wrote: Gary, If you don't mind cut loss you can cut your meteorites with an inexpensive masonry blade. The blade could be used on a table saw or a circular saw. You can secure the rock to a piece of lumber or put it in a vise, if using a circular saw. Just be very very careful! Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:35:29 -0500 (EST) To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Cutting a Window Hi Listoids, Can anyone offer me good advice on how to cut a window in a meteorite without a lapidary saw? Can a regular table saw be modified for this use? If not, is there anything other than a lap saw that will do a good job? Thanks, Gary http://www.meteorite-dealers.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION BID RESULTS
They are cheaper than pure iron because they are not pure iron. They are nantans. DF Ma Lan wrote: Hi Michael and List, Pity that three pieces of nantans (57, 58, 59) were sold for just 2.5 cent per gram, much cheaper than any other meteorites. I don't know whether it's cheaper than a piece of pure iron. Wondering why we still call them meteorites since they are equal to meteowrongs from the point of the price. Pity again. Regards Ma Lan Beijing China Ma Lan 113 South Building No.5 Yongan Street Xuanwu District Beijing, China 100050 Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION REALIZATIONS
Dear Dean; I read your post top to bottom. I really enjoyed your comentary and agree with you completely. My experience and thoughts point toward your point of why hide the figures when they would boost the next auctions attendance and prices regardless of what the former hammer prices were. thanks for a very entertaining post, Dave F. dean bessey wrote: I hope I dont put myself in the middle of recent spats with this email but here goes anyway so I hope that I dont offend anybody here (But no apologies if I do). I am a dealer (Not much of a collector anymore - almost anything I own is for sale at the right price). I have been attending auctions of various sort (Coin, stamp, artifact, liquadation, ect) since I was 14 and so am very familiar with auctions so I am giving the opinion of a dealer who has attended or bid on many hundreds of auctions. Everybody knows that I sell lots of stuff other than meteorites. Just looking at my ebay auctions shows that. While I think that I do a good job of taking care of my customers it is all business to me. And my opinion is that the price realizations should be made public. (1)For one the meteorite auctions are an anomoly in that they dont get the price realized being publicly distributed. There might be laws concerning this also depending on where the auction is being administered. But most places freely give their prices realizes (Well, they might charge a small fee in a lot of cases - many auctions offer subscriptions which are similar priced as a magazine subscription) (2)You lose potentially valuable marketing. If you read coin and stamp newspapers they will cover the auctions and they highlight top lots. No newspaper will cover your auction if they cant list some realization highlights. They need to make their articles exciting. It wouldent look nice if the auctioneer said I dont want people to know what everybody paid). (3)Bloods auctions has become an important part of meteorite world. His first couple were growing pains with people sticking anything in as he was worried that the bidders would be happy and return next year but it has now evolved into an important auction with significant items being auctioned and an important part of the meteorite world (And meteorite history). I know people with collections (Whole libraries really) of old stamp and coin auctions and realizations going back decades. Its part of his reference material (And on exceptional material gives a possible chain of ownership - which might help find stolen items for example). There are not many meteorite auctions and in almost any type of collectible, auctions give an idea of what the market has been like over a peroid of time. This cannot be done without the prices realized. It is a general guide but also a source of newsworthy material. (4)Potential revenue loss. Large auction houses from christies to small mom and pop places often sell supscriptions that includes price realized. This probably will never apply to bloods auction but something in general (Especially for people who cant go to tucson) might be interested in a printed catalog. (5)Legalities and rip offs (No comparison to recent list postings intended). I have personally been ripped off in auctions before by auctioneers just selling me stuff at my top bid when it was supposed to be one increment over the high bidder. I would never have known without prices realized. I think bidders would have more confidence in the integrity of an auction with prices realized. Since blood dont own anything in his auction he dont have much incentive to scam bidders but as an auctioneer he is a part of the auctioneering community and knowledgable potential bidders are always on the lookout for scams. Switzerland has a law that it is illegal to do anything that might might in any way keep from maximun prices being attained in an auction. As a result switzerland is a major place for serious art and other type of auctions. Its well regulated and bidders trust the auctions that are there (As a funny example the philippine government has kilos and kilos of jewelry worth many millions of dollars from a former first lady that they want to auction off and they want a rule in place that she cant bid in an auction - but christies told them that this is illegal if they want the auction in switzerland as it might prevent getting the highest possible price). (6)Finally, the reason everybody is against showing price realizations. That it will drive prices down. Not sure why people have this attitude. Poor knowledge of auctions I guess. Auctions certainly dont drive down the price of picassos or other rare items. I always hear people telling me that they got the deal of a lifetime at some stamp or coin auction. They dont feel that the price has crashed and use it as a bargaining ply for other purchases. More of a bragging thing than anybody else. For example, assume a 10 gram piece of zagami fell through the cracks and somehow went in the tucson
Re: [meteorite-list] Anyone else sick of the New Jersey object?
Might be in another world, a GREAT PLACE FOR IMCA TO GO OFFER ASSISTANCE WITH CLASSIFICATION. Since I am no longer an IMCA member, I wouldn't even suggest it to the others. Dave F. Michael Farmer wrote: I don't know about the rest of the list, but I am sick of hearing about this meteorite. It has not been cut, not been anylized, and not been confirmed, yet the whole world is calling it a meteorite. To me this thing stinks. Something is fishy about the whole story. What amazes me is that when a real meteorite falls, like MOSS in in Norway, a little chatter occurs, then silence. But now that some probable fake meteorite hits a house, it keeps going for weeks on end. Until this supposed meteorite is cut, and classified, can we please drop it? Michael Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Dealer/Collectors
Dear List; First we get spam from asd;gfjkjsdiojfoif lsdijoawejfpoiefjf acusing someone of being a thief, and now this mess from someone unknown and not signing his emails. Anybody else find this rather spammy? Or does it have REEL value? From the unknown Wyoming personality. DF meteorites whole sale wrote: This is a list of Morocco's meteorites Robbers; Greg Hupe=1st Class =VD Mike Farmer/Jim Strope =VD Rob Elliott/=VD Matteo Chinellato/very slim like he doesn't eat food.= 0Value,0 pernonality Mark Bosttik= VD Kenneth Regelman= VD Bob Evans= VD Steve Arnolds/Ilinois=VD Rob Wesel/Oregon =D Roman Jerasek.CA=D Bill,Ilinois =VD Christian Anger =H Mario Goiorani =D Marcin Cimala = Value = Big 0. Steve witt =VD Matt Morgan=VD Bruno Fectay Carine Bidaut/ VD NOT Robbers List.But Honorable guyes I respect Germans,the top class N,Classen. Carsten Giessler Stefan Ralew Andreas Gren I respect Americans, Stan turecki Jason Philips Jack Schrader Thomas H Webb Nelson Oakes Dean Bessey/CA/NZ David Bryant/UK V=very D=dongerous H= Hypocrite More informations soon. - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Anyone visit the NJO today?
I am not convinced, lets see a test for nickel and one for irridium. Then let's get a meteorite lab to look it over. I have geology background thus, I cancel out one geologist's vote it is a meteorite.. It may be space junk but I go back to the young man living at the house and having too much time on his hands. Dave F. greg stanley wrote: Hi all: I'm sticking to my original vote. It is indeed a meteorite. If anyone has seen it - it would be really interesting to get their feedback on its appearance More tests would be good; perhaps the owners are hesitant; people get funny when the come across items that could be of great value. Greg Stanley Gerald Flaherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very curious indeed. I'm not convinced by a long shot. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb To: ; Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Anyone visit the NJO today? Hi, I'll gladly grant that I do not a huge amount of hands-on experience with irons and have only looked at 40 or 50, but I have to say that the surface of this object has the oddest geometry. I've been staring at the reasonably good photo in the article (URL below). It does not resemble any aerodynamic sculpture I've ever seen. I call on the more expert (and there are lots of you!), does this look meteoritic in its surface features to you? Because I don't want to be a Lazy Listoid that just dumps stuff on others, I went to Google Images for iron meteorite and cruised through the first 600 pictures or so, looking for its like. Didn't see it. Lots of nice irons, but nothing with surface features like this. From what I can gather, Delaney gave it the nickel test (it passed) but was not allowed to cut or window or etch. It seems to have been informally accepted into the Meteorite Club, by the press anyway. If it's real, how did it get these surface features? Anyone have any iron similar in its sculpture? Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison To: Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:53 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Anyone visit the NJO today? http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070128/NEWS03/701280423/1007/OPINION __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Etching Iron Meteorites
Dear Sterling; Why don't you ask the chinese? They seem to be the most interested in faking meteorites. Dave F. a non tucsonisti Sterling K. Webb wrote: Hi, Drake, ...Widmanstatten patterns are unique to meteorites. That's not true. I'll bite. In what other materials can they be found? Long considered definitive hereabouts. I quote one source: Widmanstatten pattern or Thompson structure: This pattern does not appear in terrestrial iron ores. Its presence is diagnostic in the identification of a meteorite. Looking for a definition, I found that they form when steels are cooled at a critical rate from extremely high temperatures. It consists of ferrite and pearlite and has a cross-hatched appearance due to the ferrite having formed along certain crystallographic planes. What's the likelihood of fake meteorites being made that way? Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Etching Iron Meteorites That was I, and thank you. The Nital I was using was what I use for standard metallographic sample preparation at 2% to 5%. I see now I need a much higher concentration. I did find one metallurgical error in that it states that Widmanstatten patterns are unique to meteorites. That's not true. Drake Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes Drake Doc Dameräu President, NEPRA NAR Section 614 L3CC member TRA 9934 L3 www.nepra.com www.rocketmaterials.org http://home.sprynet.com/~monel/home.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:meteorite-list- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary K. Foote Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 6:21 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Etching Iron Meteorites Hello List, I forget who was asking this morning, but Ruben Garcia has graciously allowed me to publish his in-depth article on cutting, etching and preserving iron meteorites to my site. For those interested the URL is; http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/etchingandpreservation.html Gary http://www.meteorite-dealers.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Dealer/Collectors
Could this be the return of the mystrey one who has not revealed his presence, The Proud Tom? One who has never been found, and one who lurks, and one who seems to appear at the time of the Tucson show? Oops, nope, this one doesn't seem to show that much intellegence! D F in WY Greg Hupe wrote: Hi Mike and other Makers of the Moroccan List, I feel very honored to have made 1st Class=. I've reached my goal, to pass Mike and Jim up...just joking of course! This Moroccan is a complete whack-job!! Who is it, someone who has not made as much as the other Moroccans like Mike said?! As funny as it is, dirty tactics like this make the fun of all of this go away, well, to a point. Maybe we can make some NWA medals to hand out in Tucson?? Best regards, Greg - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 12:43 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Dealer/Collectors BWAAA HAAA HAAA HAAA My god, what an idiot! Who is this Moroccan jerk? I have dropped about $600,000 or so in Morocco, so please, explain to us all how this equals theft? OHHH, I did not buy from you? Is that the problem? Now you know why I no longer go to Morocco, they are all losing their minds there. If you are dumb enough to send your money to Morocco to a person you have never met, you are bound to lose all your money sooner or later. Stupid is as stupid does... Michael Farmer --- Howard Steffic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Dumbazz. Since most of the meteorites from Morocco actually originate in Algeria, how can these people be guilty of theft? Now STFU. From: meteorites whole sale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Dealer/Collectors Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:33:17 -0800 (PST) This is a list of Morocco's meteorites Robbers; Greg Hupe=1st Class =VD Mike Farmer/Jim Strope =VD Rob Elliott/=VD Matteo Chinellato/very slim like he doesn't eat food.= 0Value,0 pernonality Mark Bosttik= VD Kenneth Regelman= VD Bob Evans= VD Steve Arnolds/Ilinois=VD Rob Wesel/Oregon =D Roman Jerasek.CA=D Bill,Ilinois =VD Christian Anger =H Mario Goiorani =D Marcin Cimala = Value = Big 0. Steve witt =VD Matt Morgan=VD Bruno Fectay Carine Bidaut/ VD NOT Robbers List.But Honorable guyes I respect Germans,the top class N,Classen. Carsten Giessler Stefan Ralew Andreas Gren I respect Americans, Stan turecki Jason Philips Jack Schrader Thomas H Webb Nelson Oakes Dean Bessey/CA/NZ David Bryant/UK V=very D=dongerous H= Hypocrite More informations soon. - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ FREE online classifieds from Windows Live Expo - buy and sell with people you know http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwex001001msn/direct/01/?href=http://expo.live.com?s_cid=Hotmail_tagline_12/06 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Stollen 865g Achondrites
Can you guess whos that X ? i can help He is 60 years old. a Collector ! Best Regards Or better yet, who are you? Whinning is better when you sign your message! Lets see.collector, and 60 years oldthat narrows it down to not me, not Dave Andrews or the two women collectors I know ofmmm now about the other 200 collectors that look 60 years old..nope, not even a guess. Dave F. 53 sryfjnstryj tsyjhdteyjh wrote: Greetings Listees. First,i hope that Mr Rob Elliotte changed his mind, and Matt shutted up. Now,i would not tell whos that man who stole the 865g achondrites,but i can do it if he doesn't do what he should do and pay the poor man ,the real owner of the 865g achondrites. Morrocans started dealing via internet many years ago.some meteorites dealers took that way to get their customers,many of them choosed the option of ship in advance with no payment for buyers.those poor Moroccan lost thousands of dollars because of that option. I heard that a Morocan dealer,had many customers whom have been stolling his money for a long time. that poor man had an agreement about some stones,of course with no payment in advance,it's very easy that a Moroccan to trust a foriegner than a Moroccan person,but not always.unfortunatly this is the way we are. Anyway, X is a collector from US,got the package safe,he didn't agree some stones which he returned them back.but the expensive one(865g achondrites)was not returned back,it was bought for 10400Dhs cash in handsreal deals. X told the Moroccan dealer that the 865g achondrites is a Howardite stone,but didn't pay any sent until now !!!also some stones i don't know how many,but they are stollen too. The Howardite stone was not showed up on Web,i'm sure that the X prefered to keep it for his private Collection or sold it to a friend to him. The howardites,you can get cheaper on Ebay for $35 so 35x865g = $30275 - 20g for the laboratory and the rest when cutting and polishing(lets suppose 200g); $35x865 = $30275 - (200x35) = $23275 - (20x35) = $23275- $700 = $22575 = 180600.00 MAD with that amount you can buy even a fine house in a very nice city in Morocco or a Toyota RAV4 good situation. I have some questions for X : - How did you feel when you got paid on the 865g Achondrites? - Why you stole a Poor man? you are rish you have no needs. - Can you change your mind and pay the poor man? For list members. Can you guess whos that X ? i can help He is 60 years old. a Collector ! Best Regards NB. Stollen Morocco Meteorites could be offered in Tucson Gem Mineral Show.you may pay for stollen Meteorites stone.I advice you to offer very lowe possible prices. - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Private land meteorite hunting contract
Dear List; I realize that private land meteorite hunting is an interesting bird and contracts between the land owner and the hunter are a must before any meteorites are found. Verbal is garbage when $$$ or even $$$,$$$ are involved. I do realize that specific contractual issues are propriety. I can go to a lawyer and get one drawn up but would like to draw from any experience/presidence proven so I do not interfere with someone else's parade. Would anyone have a basic legal word document they would be willing to share with me, or is this an appropriate topic for a list thread/discussion? Trespass fee, plus percentage of the find, reclamation bonds, livestock and crop destruction compensation, lot of issues, anyone care to chime in? My experience for the most part has been public lands hunting and I am well versed on that one. Hunting season is almost here, any help would be appreciated. Exact numbers are not expected but a generic form if available would be wonderfully appreciated and a good chance of possible favor repayment at a future date. Dave F. Rock Springs, Wyoming __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Could it be....
Frank at that time was at U of Wyoming and was in the process of cataloguing an abandon pile of miss labeled meteorites that didn't fit in with the museum dedicated to dinosaurs.m I miss Frank! Dave F. Frank and earnest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric Hutton wrote: My earliest email I have saved is from 10th May 1997 Hello Eric, Alex, and List, The earliest email I have saved is from Thu, 20 Mar 1997 and it was written by no less a person than Frank ... Frank Stroik for those who still remember him. Time really flies fast and while some list members are still here, others have left us, ... some for good. Who still remembers good, ole Jim? Jim Hurley, the arachnaut! The last I ever heard from him was a mail he sent me Thu, 08 Nov 2001 and, unfortunately, he did not sound very optimistic: Hello Bernd,...yes, I still lurk. I have become a starving artist, so I no longer can afford my web sites, let alone meteorites. Best wishes to All of Us and THANKS A LOT to Art! Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Honolulu and Lillaverke
Dear Tracy, Bernd, and List; From Oahu to Moloki and the Channel is a very large area. Being of watery origin, I am surprized any fell anywhere it didn't get wet. Leper Dave F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tracy wrote: I had thought that meant they collected pieces that fell on the ship. Michael Blood wrote: Do you or anyone else know of ANY reference... Hello All, Here what I can offer: American Journal of Science and Arts. Vol. 49, Oct 1845: Particulars of the fall of Meteorites in the Sandwich Islands; communicated by request, by the Rev. Hiram Bingham, missionary in those Islands, in a letter dated Boston, May 1, 1845. To Prof. Silliman--On the 27th of September, 1825, a shower of meteoric stones fell, partly in the channel between Molokai and Lanai, and partly between those islands and Oahu, and partly at Honolulu, where I then resided. One explosion was heard at Lahaina, and several in quick succession at Honolulu, eighty miles to the northwest, between the hours of 10 and 11, A.M. The fragment that was seen to pass Lahaina towards Oahu fell in the Molokai Channel, and threw a mass of water into the air, and was said to be followed by a rumbling sound. The Rev. Mr. Richards of Lahaina mistook the report of the explosion for that of cannon on board of some ship. The explosions which I heard at Honolulu led me at first to suppose they were cannon on board of ships not far distant. But soon after I was satisfied that they were meteoric. Very soon the servants of Kalanimoku, secretary of state, brought me the fragment which they affirmed had just fallen from the sky in our village. This fragment I carefully preserved and brought over, and had the pleasure of presenting to you. A different pleasure from that with which Mr. Richards and myself picked up and forwarded to the Missionary Museum in Pemberton Square, Boston, a cannon ball--one of several which had been fired at our heads. As for Lillaverke, maybe one of our Swedish list members can look into this: WICKMAN F.E. (1993) Eight pound ball fell on the ship and killed two boatsmen (Swedish Geol. J. 115, 29-298). I don't know where I or someone else found this reference and whether ball is the correct word in the Swedish version of that paper. Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] bouse,arizona
Dear Lucky Ruben; Ever think of visiting Wyoming? I am silent about my new finds.. Dave F. :-0 Ruben Garcia wrote: Hi all, I'm quite sure that there is more than 10 new Arizona meteorite finds. I have 5 (possibly) new Meteorite finds currently being studied at several Universities (UCLA, ASU etc..) I also have many more meteorite finds that I have yet to submit, some of which I've posted here. I'm sure that there are a few meteorite hunters like myself that are in no hurry to classify. Just yesterday I took newbie Meteorite Hunter Mike Morgan out and we found 4 New Arizona Meteorites! Of course they will need to be classified to know for sure if they are unique, but I think 1 or more will be. I'll post pictures on my website later today for those that want to see pictures of that hunt. Ruben Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Questions about the Tucson Show from a first timer
If I had a guess, the TEP, Tucson Electrical Park would be on my short short list of places to ferret out a rock saw and other equipment. Remember that there are shows all over town. You will run out of money and time no matter how much you think you have plenty of both. TEP is on the south end of town and worth the trip. I will miss the insanity, Dave F. Michael L Blood wrote: Pat, You can read what little I know between the questions below: Howdy Fellow Listees, This year will be my first visit to the Tucson show, and I have some questions. I have the meteorite-times.com show guide, which has been very valuable. [I have a hotel in Green Valley (Baymont Inn, 25 miles south of the InnSuites) and a rental car] 1) Is parking at the InnSuites Hotel an issue? NO - they have a HUGE dirt parking lot. Is there a charge for parking there? No 2) Where can I find the bins of unclassified NWAs by the pound that I have been dreaming/obsessing about? Will there be bins ranging from gravel to mostly crusted stones? What might the price range be this year?? Is there - is there balm in Gilead? Dean Bessey used to have the most and cheapest, but no longer goes. They are a dwindling resource. Blaine Reed seemed to have the most bulk last year - but ET had some nice cheap individuals. I am sure many others have some. 3) What is the traffic on I-19 like and what time is morning 'rush hour' etc? The brilliant politicians of Tucson seem to save road work for the gem show. Either that or they simply take over 5 years to get road work taken care of. Traffic sucks, but you can actually move on the freeway. I would avoid the Fwy from 2:30 to 7 PM though. 4) Show hours are listed as 10AM to 6PM, is this accurate? All the talk about parties and margaritas and... well you get the point, are the meteorite dealers open by 10AM? Dealers are a notorious bunch of near do wells and have been known to party late into the night - especially Blaine and the rowdy boys that hang out there. Most don't like to be roused in the AM but tend to be up by 10 am. Of course, everyone is at the Birthday Bash before 8 pm on Fri and at the Auction by 5:30 pm on Sat. 5) What show/location might be displaying small diamond saws? I want to buy an AmeriTool variable speed or something similar, but would like to get a look in person at the rock vice etc. Also Adam Hupe had mentioned an outfit selling really good thin kerf diamond blades at a show in Puyallup, WA. This guy was supposed to be at Tucson. Does this ring a bell? Perhaps someone else can help you with this one. Several Tent Shows in various hotel parking lots seem to carry a lot of equipment, but I don't pay much attention to this stuff, as I have most of what I want. That's probably enough questions for now. I hope the answers to these questions will be of general interest to other list readers as well. See ya there, dude! Michael Best Regards, Pat Brown __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Miss Becky on TV again!
Dear Geoff; Your Miss Becky is a bit of a get aroundshe is now swimming with the boys on the Atosha and Margareta Gold ships off the Florida Keys... Gold treasures seemed to get her fancy more than meteorites! Hope you didn't buy her too expensive of a dinner Best, Dave F. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Namibia: So Much Potential But Not Enough Funds (Hoba Meteorite)
Sounds like a great tourist destination, a big rock, alcoholics and drug addicts, crime, town in debt up to their ears, danger of electricity amd water being turned off, high unemployment, and a large military presence. Well pack my bags! Poorly thought out release by Mr. Kangueehi, maybe the spoof and phish people will move to Namibia for the new center of commerce. Dave F. Ron Baalke wrote: http://allafrica.com/stories/200701170803.html Namibia: So Much Potential But Not Enough Funds Kuvee Kangueehi January 17, 2007 The Deputy Mayor of Grootfontein, Paulus Hangula, has revealed that the residents of his town owe the Town Council over N$26 million in water and electricity debts. Speaking to New Era over the weekend, Hangula said the Town Council is fighting a losing battle trying to recover the money, as many of the residents are unemployed and struggling with accumulated debts. The deputy mayor said that, apart from the high unemployment rate which is the primary factor behind the debts, alcohol and drug abuse is also rife. He noted that there are very few employment opportunities at the town, and most of the employed residents are members of the Namibia Defence Force (NDF) and are stationed at the military base. Hangula said other residents employed are civil servants, people working at the local shops and farm workers employed on the surrounding farms. Since the mining operations at Kombat and Tsumeb were scaled down, this has affected the town's cash flow. He complained that most of the commercial farmers in the area invest little money in the town and spend their money instead at privately-owned businesses, resulting in the majority of the town's residents not benefiting from it. He noted, however, that everything is not all doom and gloom, as town has the great potential of becoming a big tourist attraction. Hangula said Grootfontein lies on the main roads, which connects Windhoek to the north-eastern part of Namibia including the Okavango and Caprivi regions. He stressed that, like Otavi and Tsumeb, Grootfontein is very green and during spring provides spectacular viewing. Grootfontein is really an ideal overnight stop if you are travelling to the Caprivi and Tsumkwe. Hangula pointed out that a special tourist attraction is the meteorite, which can be found on the farm Hoba, some 24 kilometres outside the town. One of the world's largest meteorites ever found, it is 3 metres long and one metre wide, weighs 50 tons, has a volume of 9 cubic metres, and hit the ground here some 8 years ago. The meteorite in Hoba consists of 82% iron, 16% nickel, 1% cobalt and various trace elements. With the passing of the years, the Hoba Meteorite has been somewhat reduced in size by visitors breaking off pieces to take home as souvenirs. The deputy mayor revealed that, despite the fact that many organizations educate people on HIV/Aids, the disease is still very rife at the town. He called on these organizations to intensify their campaigns and to apply different strategies in order to make them more effective. He said that although the rate of violent crimes is not very high at the town, vandalism is rife especially at schools, churches and other public places. Grootfontein has a population of approximately 1 people. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tired of winter? Not headed for Tucson soon?
Dear List; Not going to Tucson? How about a fast trip today? Here is a photo web look at Tucson today! The high here in RS WY was 6 degrees. Sunny Catalina Mtns. Tucson, AZ. Best, Dave F. http://www.cs.arizona.edu/camera/week.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Book Review: _Meteorite Hunter_ by Roy Gallant
Dear Pat, Walter, List; I second Pat's review, the book could have been three volumes longer with the adventure it contained. Good old Geoff Notkin is one of the interesting personalities of our time that is in the book. Many of you have the Russian sites represented in your meteorite collection and the site visits help you discover the circumstances of where your specimens fell and how they were located. A friend sold me a copy for $5, I got a deal there! Highly recommended reading, a great addition to any meteorite collectors library. Best, Dave Freeman Walter Branch wrote: Hi Pat, Thanks for the review. It is a great book. I like it just because it is so non-technical. Nice photos too. In fact, seeing your post makes me want to re-read it! -Walter - Original Message - From: Pat Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 8:58 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Book Review: _Meteorite Hunter_ by Roy Gallant Hi All, I just finished _Meteorite Hunter_ by Roy Gallant (ISBN 978-0071372244). This book is not terribly technical, but is a great read none the less. The book consists mostly of a sort of travel log of Mr. Gallant's wonderful expeditions to several remote impact sites in the former USSR including Tunguska, Sikhote-Alin, Chinge, Pallas, Tsarev, Popigai and Teleutskoye. The section of historic and contemporary photos is nicely done. Mr. Gallant's descriptions of the terrain, the difficulty of travel in Siberia and the complications in dealing with the Russian beaurocrasy are riviting. The only fault that I could find with this book was that it was not longer! If you are intrigued with meteoritic field work, you should find this an enjoyable book. With Best Regards, Pat Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Solid Evidence of Estraterrestrial Mining in our Solar System!
Dear Ed, List; I asked him about the high shipping amount ;-) and his responce was: Item: The Spaceslag Meteorite (170070894753) This message was sent while the listing was active. spaceslag is the seller. --- I would prefer to ship the item insured as this would be included in this price, however, If buyer would not want insurance, then, shipping would be reduced accordingly. So there you go! Now we know why the shipping is so high! Best, Dave F. below zero in the rockies. Ed Deckert wrote: Hello list, WOW! I was truly blown away by this. Solid evidence of mining and smelting activities that have taken place in our solar system. With official test results confirming the composition of this material that has been dubbed Spaceslag on the official Spaceslag website! There is an excellent opportunity to own a sample of this item thanks to a listing on ebay. Bidding starts at a paltry $22,000.00 US Dollars. Shipping from Canada to the US for this 220 gram piece is only $50.00 US Dollars!! I am too excited to place an opening bid at this time! LOL I will definitely watch this one to see how the bidding war proceeds... Here's a link in case any of you are crazy enough to want to place a bid... :-) LOL for now... Ed http://cgi.ebay.com/The-Spaceslag-Meteorite_W0QQitemZ170070894753QQihZ007QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Missing Tucson this year
And the number one answer would be: To much bologna at the show? DF M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: The hotel prices its a problem in all mineral showswhy you not come in Bologna Show in March? Matteo --- Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Dear List Members, If anybody cares, I will NOT be attending the Tucson show this year. Although it used to be the number one show on my list, it no longer holds this title for me for several reasons, mainly the lack of decent accommodations. It seems for the last several years, some cheesy motel/hotel rips us off. We book online at $140.00 plus a night for what was advertised as a two-star facility just to find out it when we get there that it is some crack-user infested shack that should be condemned. Two years ago, the Econo Lodge tried to rip us off for nearly a $1,000.00 by charging my credit card even though we refused to stay in this falsely advertised hell hole. They tacked on an extra night before we even arrived in Tucson to make the theft complete. I used to stay by the airport but the hotels have now raised their prices to $250.00 a night. I could stay in a five-star hotel in the Caribbean for half this amount, come on, we are talking about Tucson here! The only other show I have been to where the hotels jack up their prices this much is Las Vegas and I refuse to pay $250.00 a night for a $50.00 a night room just because I am attending a convention. I was going to come down this year with my RV but decided it was not worth the risk going through the passes which are buried in snow and ice. This time of year, the coastal route is far too windy and time consuming to hardly make it worth the effort. At 53' front to back, the winds would cause havoc with my setup as anybody with any road time with a rig will tell you. I will wait until late winter when I can spend months in the field searching California before putting any of my equipment in jeopardy. I added up my receipts from last year's Tucson show and decided it would be cheaper to attend the show in Germany, something I have yet to try and look forward to. For those who will be attending the show, have a great time and stay away from the Econo Lodge! I will forward some money to my brother, Greg who will be to pay off the margaritas and beers I owe on the Moss meteorite lost wagers. All the Best, Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Poco spazio e tanto spam? Yahoo! Mail ti protegge dallo spam e ti da tanto spazio gratuito per i tuoi file e i messaggi http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Irons DON'T form Fusion Crust's - yes they DO
phenomenological It this really a word? Sounds like a George Bush word. DF Matthias Bärmann wrote: I agree. But using an expression (also a scientific one) in a phenomenological manner we should take care to avoid a contradiction (or even tensions) between the phenomenological and the scientific dimension. - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matthias Bärmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 8:26 PM Subject: Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Irons DON'T form Fusion Crust's - yes they DO On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 20:17:25 +0100, you wrote: But it doesn't hit the point regarding meteorites. Glassy evokes the impression of something shiny, very smooth, mirror-like. But as we all now But the laymen use of the term isn't the scientific one. Glassy means something that cooled quickly enough that it didn't have time to crystalize and is instead, on the atomic level, an amorphous mess. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Paleo shale ball AD
Dear List; I have just listed a grand specimen of a paleo shall ball from the Frontier Formation, Cretaceous Rock Springs Uplift. Is it for real, well, a real cretaceous shale ball. I have not tested for nickel, it has undergone a silified mineralization event. Has an excellent manganese patina for plenty of effect. Opening bid $3.99 Hot hot! Would be fun to bring to Tucson soon. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=13002914 Thanks for putting up with me. Dave Freeman ebay user ID mjwy __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Irons and fusion crust
Dear Crusty's; I think the whole deal here with fusion crust which is what I choose to call it, all boils down to what academia and thus the rest of us mortal ones choose to call fusion crust. We have discussed this issue numerous times here and it very much relates my thought to President Clinton's comment a while back, No I did not have sex with that woman..well, one has to define sex first. Agreement was that something occurred, just how to define it. Call it a glassy altered surface deposit if you like and it makes you feel good but in my feeling, anything other than an iron surface, and anything that has been effected by an iron meteorite blasting through the atmosphere and directly related to the affects of heating as a result of passing through the Earth's atmosphere should be categorized as fusion (because it was hot and burned) crust (because it is on the exterior surface of) a meteorite. Don't care if it is glassy or melted cheese whiz. Don't care if it is .01 mm in thickness or a full two inch thick crusty black nasty stinky filthy burned rotten yam..if it is a result of heat of entry, and on the surface of an iron meteorite when fresh or relatively freshly occurred, then it might be a fusion crust. Just my 2 sense'. Dave Freeman with more sense than some Michael Farmer wrote: I completely agree that iron meteorite falls have fusion crust. Come on, they meteorites are often covered with frothy blue-black crust, sometimes 2 or 3 mm thick, it flackes off, it was caused by the fusion of iron minerals while burning at thousands of degrees on entry, exactly the same way silicates form fusion crusts on stones. Thus, we have two different types of materials, burning, and when they land, they have a surface of crust comprised of molten material due to heat alteration. How can that not be called a fusion crust? Michael Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD...
Geeze Dave, what an excellent FUSION CRUST! Dave F. Dave Harris wrote: Hi, Previously some people expressed an interest in this item... http://www.tiny.cc/SA Dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteoric Education For Meteorologists?
Quote: ...come up with a 'press education pack' a little booklet with a space rock stuck on that we could send out to all the journalists etc for them to read -end quote. But Mark, that would mean someone would have to know how to read.. Dave F. Land of burning snow, not far from Riverton, Wyoming mark ford wrote: Hi, Indeed, but you are assuming that everybody on TV who presents the weather is a qualified meteorologist, so not true!. It used to be the case, but now unfortunately it is the 'weather totty effect' get a nice blonde/bloke giver her/him a few weeks on the job training and voila instant forecaster that everyone likes. Unfortunately weather forecasts are no longer any use, all the inflections in the voice (which used to mean stuff) and all the correct terminology etc has gone, replaced by a token gesture forecast like 'its going to be quite sunny' rather than giving accurate important information including wind speed direction, visibility, air pressure etc, the weather is still as important today as ever, peoples lives still depend on accurate information. So I doubt training real meteorologists in meteoritics would make any real difference. Maybe we could all come up with a 'press education pack' a little booklet with a space rock stuck on that we could send out to all the journalists etc for them to read - now that would make a real difference! Best, Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RYAN PAWELSKI Sent: 04 January 2007 22:14 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteoric Education For Meteorologists? I was just browsing some videos of this mornings spectacular show over Denver on Fox 31, and im actually a bit surprised at the lack of knowledge by the majority of the general public, especially meteorologists, who oftentimes do have some degree of astronomy/meteoric education. It seems the news team had come to an early conclusion that this was somehow part of the Quadrantids meteor shower (??). Now only if it were true... imagine what a great show the Perseids would be!! haha Ryan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NJ OH BOY
Dear List: Here's the latest; Rutgers University geologists Jeremy Delaney, Gail Ashley and Claire Condie and Peter Elliott, an independent metallurgist who studied the object, determined it was an iron meteorite because of its density, magnetic properties, markings and coloration. This is the latest news, so, do we know any of these kind folks? And are they experienced in meteorites? Dave F. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The sky is falling in Wyoming chicken little.
Dear Listees; The K2tv evening news in Casper, Wyoming reported a sherriff deputy went out and witnessed a burned mark in the snow but no debris early this morning after receiving a number of reportstheses are the same guys that sent the posse up on Casper Mountain a few weeks ago chaising the one that went over south of Salt Lake City Utah. The news had some excellent footage of a beautiful blue to white break up that lasted about 8 seconds on the news. Too cold and snowy to go hunt debris or meteorites, especially the radioactive kind, it passed over the Gas Hills Uranium District. Dave F. Rock Springs Should be in tomorrows paper here. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] EL6/7 meteorite loaded on eBay for one cent.4.779 kilograms.
Dear Listees; I would like to comment that back in the dark days of meteorites a number of years ago, WE discussed issues for seemingly ages (1998-2001?) and then WE invented the IMCA to protect the world from fraudulent meteorite dealersthen, a weak IMCA booted out Matteo for being less than honorable back then. Years later...(now).an even weaker IMCA can do nothing about Matteo and others that are not members..and new list members whine about the banter.such is the history that lives on in our time. And, due to a bunch of this non binding, non back bonemore banter is welcomed if we are to keep honesty to a premium I would think. Leopards and spots comes to mind. I have recently given up on IMCA. I am in good company on this side of the fence as well. When the Organization can do little, it should be up to the individuals to raise the red flags, even if it bothers some individuals delete finger. Fraud is fraud, it hurts the meteorite market in general..geeze didn't this topic come up a thousand times in the past eight or nine years?? Mike is right to stir the pot, if private individuals don't get the word out, who will, the IMCA? Surely not our honest friends at eBay either. Should IMCA go to ebay with reasonable proof, and censure Matteo's activities? Depends on the lawyers opinion and what you think you pay your dues for I suppose. Mean time, it ain't gunna happen.. Dave F. IMCA # 0 from the beginning. PolandMET wrote: Thanks for your input Marcin, but no thanks, Matteo has pulled another scam, Dirk pointed it out, and I am calling him on it. I can not believe that you would stand there and say that you would ignore a dealer selling false material. I will protect my buyers and my business (the meteorite business) by calling out a fake when I see it! Next time you get into a spat with someone, I will be there to tell you to shut up, so don't worry. Michael Farmer I understand Your rights, but You can make alive this war for next 12 months. Now is EL3, Tomorrow will be L6 and on Monday something else. This become boring. For myself. And not only for me. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dave Shiflett-- no fan of the brenham
It won't bring as much as an earlier find: a 1,400-pound space rock that resembles a massive, slightly rotting yam. Ugly is only skin deep, however. This monstrosity sold for a cool million. So, I didn't know the rotten yam had sold, is that true? I like yams. Dave F. Meteorites Darren Garrison wrote: ...a 1,400-pound space rock that resembles a massive, slightly rotting yam. Ugly is only skin deep, however. This monstrosity sold for a cool million. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601088sid=a.flI69Q4Dvgrefer=muse Pilot Science Show Features Meteorites, Stem Cells, Speedy Cars By Dave Shiflett Jan. 2 (Bloomberg) -- A new PBS show promises breaking news from the world of science, a nice alternative to cable news alerts whenever the president stubs his toe. ``Wired Science,'' which debuts tomorrow at 8 p.m. New York time, is part of an interesting contest in which viewers will help decide PBS's next weekly science program. Two other pilots, ``Science Investigators'' (Jan. 10) and ``22nd Century'' (Jan. 17), round out the competition. ``Wired Science,'' a fast-paced, far-reaching collaboration between PBS and Wired magazine, will be hard to beat. The hour-long show kicks off with a segment on professional meteorite hunters. Viewers contemplating a career move should take note: Sometimes heaven rains far more than pennies. Steve Arnold, a professional meteorite hunter, drags a jerry-built metal detector through an otherwise nondescript Kansas field. Strange noises emanate from the machine and fierce digging commences. Wired correspondent Adam Rogers reaches down into the dirt and pulls out a meteorite the size of an anvil. It won't bring as much as an earlier find: a 1,400-pound space rock that resembles a massive, slightly rotting yam. Ugly is only skin deep, however. This monstrosity sold for a cool million. Meteorites Indeed, there's a competitive market for meteorites, which some people consider art. At one ``meteorite gallery'' we see a fairly modest projectile on sale for $89,000; the one unearthed earlier in the show is appraised at $12,000. In another segment, a plasma television is sawed in half, followed by a short tutorial on how plasma works. We also learn that screens in the future will likely be paper-thin. Later, we visit an underwater facility off the Florida coast where astronauts prepare for life in the stars. Water is a ``close analogue'' to space and the 10-day, highly confining experience helps determine if would-be spacefolk can hack life locked in an alien environment. The only touch of controversy comes in a segment on embryonic stem-cell researcher Renee Reijo-Pera, who started her career as a bookkeeper in an auto-repair shop. These cells, she explains, have no fixed identity and so can be used to repair muscle, nerve, liver, skin and other damaged cells. As for suggestions that embryos should be considered sacrosanct, she responds they have a great deal of ``potential'' but ``no potential if discarded.'' Electric Car On a lighter note, there's a look at those ``rocket packs'' made famous by James Bond and once considered a possible weapons system. That project, known as Operation Grasshopper, didn't return much on investment though there was intense interest at high levels. Archived footage shows President John F. Kennedy at one flight demonstration. This was neat stuff, but a rocketing soldier could easily be brought down by even a slightly talented marksman. As the show winds down there's a brief interview with Elon Musk, former chief executive officer of PayPal Inc. and now involved in higher-tech developments, including an electric car that will go from zero to 60 in under four seconds. That's faster than all Porsches and almost all Ferraris. `Good Viruses' The first model is scheduled to roll out in six or seven months, Musk says, though where to drive these earth-bound rockets is a subject left untouched. The show ends with a look at ``good viruses'' found in the highly acidic thermal fields of Yellowstone. So-called ``extremomphiles'' can be hollowed out and used to transport chemotherapy directly into cancer cells. These microscopic multitaskers can also be used to produce hydrogen -- thus helping us beat our addiction to foreign oil -- and develop hard drives with storage capacity 10,000 times that of those currently available. Viewer response, augmented by market research, will determine if this show, or one of its competitors, gets a 10-week gig starting next fall. The winner will provide a viewing alternative to the presidential horserace, which will by then be in full gallop. A no-brainer, no matter which show prevails. For more information, visit http://www.pbs.org . (Dave Shiflett is a critic for Bloomberg News. The opinions expressed are his own.) To contact the writer of this story: Dave Shiflett at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . __ Meteorite-list mailing
[meteorite-list] President Ford and NASA connection.
http://cr4.globalspec.com/blogentry/837/Gerald-Ford-From-Project-Nike-to-NASA-and-Beyond?from_rss=1 Dear List; I was a 21 year old fresh home from Vietnam and the Navy when President Ford came to office and pardoned President Nixon. I am sure many of the list members can remember where they were when American history was at it's low point. The above link is quite interesting as President Ford had quite a bit to do with NASA. An interesting read. He too was part of the greatest generation, Dave Freeman Formerly of Michigan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD Catalogue of Metorites 5th edition
Dear List; I am cleaning out some books I seldom use for reference these days and am listing my Catalogue. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=003sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITviewitem=item=130064705288rd=1rd=1 Ask any questions off list, thank you, Dave Freeman mjwy Rock Springs, WY USA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] more snow! OT
Quote: [By the way, I'd be seriously interested if I'd know what to answer the custom-people here in Germany, asked regarding the content of a package on which is written snow-proof without value, for study only ...] Well Matthias, that would be your ABR..average brown rock, of course! DF RS/WY Matthias Bärmann wrote: No, I am not the one selling it ... Obviously not, otherwise we would have read AD more snow :-) By the way, I'd be seriously interested if I'd know what to answer the custom-people here in Germany, asked regarding the content of a package on which is written snow-proof without value, for study only ... Wish all of you a Good Year 2007, Matthias - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 9:16 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] more snow! OT Hello, Anyone interested? We got plenty. http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Genuine-Colorado-Snow-Blizzard-I-and-II-2006_W0QQitemZ 150075963257QQihZ005QQcategoryZ1468QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item150075963257 No, I am not the one selling it, but I certainly could. Have a Great New Year!!! Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [AD] Have a fix for annoying clicking sounds on Ads
Dear Geoff; That clicking sound is probably your Mac! Dave F. Notkin wrote: Paul Harris posted: Windows has a setting under Sounds and Audio Devices that creates a click each time a new navigation is sensed. Unfortunately our Banner Ads and our rotating Classified Ads are picked up by Windows as a new event. Dear Paul and List: Another effective method of bypassing annoying Windows-related issues is to . . . buy a Macintosh! : ) And speaking of cool tech things, as 2006 winds to a close I'd like to say cheers to Michael Johnson for another year of Rocks from Space - Picture of the Day. What a great project. Nice going Michael. New Year's wishes to all. Geoff N. Mac loyalist since 1989 www.aerolite.org Official supplier of Steve Arnold Brenham meteorites http://www.aerolite.org/brenham-irons.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] RE. Weird pic...Apollo 14
Of course! It's the spacemens way of setting up dinner for Santa! DF Jan Bartels wrote: Hello,Anybody here care to help me figure out what's in this Photo in the Apollo 14 Archives?..I'm stumped..:http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a14/AS14-67-9384HR.jpg Thanks..Kevin...:) An Ice cream trolley ?? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Merry Christmas and all that white stuff! Delete~weather related
Dear List; SW Wyoming and South to Denver, and west to Nebraska is fun, the Wyoming Dept. of Transportation web site cameras on the following link are rather entertaining. Do we think the meteorites left at Albin are getting any thermal benefit from the cold and insulating snow, or would it be better to be just cold? http://www.wyoroad.info/highway/conditions/dist1.html No doubt a meteorite-white Christmas is in store! Dave F. no new snow in RS __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite-dealers.com DeRusse and company
Dear List, Gary; In interest of the new list members who do not know of Mr. DeRusse and company, try a google search of Boggy Creek or Boggy Creek DeRusse and friends... And, this is meteorite/meteorwrong history lesson part 201, thanks Elton. Know your subject. Dave F. Mr EMan wrote: --- Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I do not know who Mr. DeRusse is I don't think this applies to me. If oone wants to play with the big boys and girls meteoritically speaking one needs to know the material. This is yet another Meteorite 101 (ok maybe 201) subject one should review. Elton __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tagish Lake
Auh, contraire there dear EltonMr. Verish, and a large following of recreational meteorite hunters in the western states have already practiced meteorite recovery on public lands and the Smithsonian, Dr. McCoy I believe have accepted that meteorite hunters in the field do have the ability to preserve the scientific value of such information and to react as recreational meteorite hunters as now is presently approved..I am the Wyoming team leader scary as that is! Dave Freeman Green River Resource Area SW Wyoming Mr EMan wrote: Problem is David they failed to map the entire field -- just the lake and they didn't recover all the mapped fragments, or so I am lead to believe. I think there were less than 6 plots on land( all adjacent to the shore) out of what 300? plots on the lake surface. Yes perhaps we can project the map and then look for large spots of mud which were meteoritical materials. Especially what would have been a car sized main mass. At most we have a slice of the field with no orientations other than satellite tracking. Was this down center line or on the southern fringe? It has been a few years but I think this lake runs North South along it's axis which is perpendicular to the apparent fall line. The lesson which should have been learned is that when these happen there should be be a list of willing and able warm bodies willing to deploy to the location to do the science and keep to any agreements that the Chief Scientist implements. In this case all the volunteers were ignored and their offers declined. If we ever have a fall on US Government lands we will take years to get a plan approved for there is no provision even at the Smithsonian for establishing a reaction team. We will then lament that loss as well for the rest of our lives. Elton --- David Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But Michael, think of the potential value that the strewn field map may provide us someday (I know I'm not smart enough to imagine it). Maybe Richard and Roland could spell out for us the great importance of such a map. David Michael Farmer wrote: ... You can all forget about recovery of more Tagish Lake meteorites. The Canadians lost it all when they closed off the site to all but a few people, who took two months to make a neat little map of locations of pieces frozen into the ice, then lost them all when a fast thaw came along. Great job scientists, you lost 99% of the rarest meteorite fall on the planet because you wanted to keep it all secret and to yourselves __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Got a pair of Grover Cleveland's to blow?
Dear Martin; I have heard that he teaches childrenand has so much time on his hands he collects information on rocks. He keeps to himself most of the time, and never speaks negative of anyoneI could learn from such an individual. Who knows more of this stranger? Dave F. Martin Horejsi wrote: Get your minds out of the gutter! Gee wiz. Anyway I stumbled across this trio on ABE: http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/ListingDetails?bi=837549155cm_la=want Cheers, Martin ps: BTW, who is this Bernd that everyone speaks of? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite-dealers.com DeRusse and company
DeRussemmm..the kiss of death or insanity. Dave F. and no new snow here. drtanuki wrote: Dear Gary and List, It seems to me that if you want your dealer list link site to work and to get people to join that you need to explain your connection with Mr. DeRusse who once owned the Domain, meteorite-dealers.com. Also, a more detailed introduction about yourself and about your goals in the meteorite community would prove interesting. Sincerly, Dirk Ross...Tokyo --- Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Petty capatilasm, Paul. Your timing - one day after my own post about discounted dealer listings at meteorite-dealers.com - leaves no doubt as to whom your post was aimed toward. It smacks of 'My meteorites are better than yours'. Thanks for the clear shot across the bows. To meet your challenge I offer the same - listings with full links for FREE. I raise you one - logo graphics with any dealers listing for FREE. Any dealer is FREE to submit their FREE listing at the following URL; htpp://www.meteorite-dealers.com/submit.html Gary On 19 Dec 2006 at 18:22, Paul Harris wrote: Greetings Everyone! As part of our annual end of year reminder, please review your FREE Meteorite Dealer listings on The Meteorite Exchange and Meteorite-Times for accuracy. The Meteorite Dealers Listings on meteorite.com have now been online for 10 years and as of this month is seeing over 1000 unique visitors per DAY! Meteorite-Times Yellowpage Listings on meteorite-times.com have now been online for 1 year and as of this month Meteorite-Times is seeing over 600 unique visitors per DAY! Please review your FREE listings at: http://www.meteorite.com/dealer_list.htm http://www.meteorite-times.com/yellowpages/ Happy Holidays! Paul __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] apology
All of this makes me sneeze! df Dave Carothers wrote: Steve, There is an old saying actions speak louder than words. Let me repeat that ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS!!! You've apologized many times in the past and yet have contined to behave and act like a jerk. Can you change your ways and behave? In the spirit of the holiday season, I REALLY hope so. Time and YOUR ACTIONS will tell. We're all watching you... Dave - Original Message - From: steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 8:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] apology Hello list.I sincerely want to apoligize to the met list and the IMCA for getting them involved in a really silly dispute.I was totally wrong concerning the validity of the sikote-alin that I had traded for with tomas jakubowski.He is a member in good standing with the IMCA,and because of my past deeds,I am not.I hope that there will be no hard feelings with tomas and myself.I just felt something was wrong,but like everything else,I did not go thru the correct channels.Next time I will not involve the metlist at all.I again am sincerely sorry.I really want to start making amends to all on the list that have had bad dealings with me.I again am truly sorry.There is a new year coming and I really want to start gaining the respect of people of whom I know and would like to know on this list.There are alot of great people on this list.Why I went south I will never know.I guess it was just my ignorance and the almighty dollar getting to me.I really want to start over,as they say and begin anew.I hope somewhere in peoples hearts I can be an allie and not a foe.Again sorry to tomas and all involved in this mes I created.Also a great way to go to jim strope for helping me in this mess. steve arnold,chicago,usa.. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] apology
This will be your seventh, or eighth time at making amends, being good all over again. May I suggest you get a tattoo of a large index finger pointed up, and a thumb pointing to the left put in living color on your forehead for all to see. DF steve arnold wrote: Hello list.I sincerely want to apoligize to the met list and the IMCA for getting them involved in a really silly dispute.I was totally wrong concerning the validity of the sikote-alin that I had traded for with tomas jakubowski.He is a member in good standing with the IMCA,and because of my past deeds,I am not.I hope that there will be no hard feelings with tomas and myself.I just felt something was wrong,but like everything else,I did not go thru the correct channels.Next time I will not involve the metlist at all.I again am sincerely sorry.I really want to start making amends to all on the list that have had bad dealings with me.I again am truly sorry.There is a new year coming and I really want to start gaining the respect of people of whom I know and would like to know on this list.There are alot of great people on this list.Why I went south I will never know.I guess it was just my ignorance and the almighty dollar getting to me.I really want to start over,as they say and begin anew.I hope somewhere in peoples hearts I can be an allie and not a foe.Again sorry to tomas and all involved in this mes I created.Also a great way to go to jim strope for helping me in this mess. steve arnold,chicago,usa.. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] good faith trade
Dear Jerry; I think you said it all. Repeat offender. Dave F. Gerald Flaherty wrote: Geoff and Tomasz, Be assured, most, if not all of us consider the original source of this thread therefore, no harm to anyone's reputation except the repeat offender. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] good faith trade Tomasz posted: My name is Tomasz Jakubowski, I am a geologist and an IMCA member #2321. About 2 weeks ago I swapped my Sikhote Alin specimen for Steve's howardite. Dear Listees: I have had extensive dealings with Mr. Jakubowski. He is a geologist, an IMCA member, and very knowledgeable about meteorites. We have ourselves made some significant trades. I also sponsored Tomasz for IMCA membership. I don't for a minute believe he would engage in any kind of shady trade. I also think it's in very poor taste to intimate in public that a List member was involved in something questionable without providing proof. That sort of thing can damage someone's reputation, and has an odd way of leading to lawsuits. Further if this is and [SIC] IMCA issue take it up with the IMCA. This is not the IMCA list. There's a proper way to handle things, and this isn't it. Sincerely, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] tagish lake
YES, I have some vials with .0008 grams in them! HURRY AND ACT NOW! SEND PAYMENT TO MY PAYPAL ACCOUNT. DF steve arnold wrote: anyone have any tagish lake for around $300? Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] On the price of Huge size Nantan Iron-Nickel meteorites, Need advices
That is some shady looking libyan melted pop bottle there Bob! DF drtanuki wrote: Dear List, If you take the time to look at Mr Bob`s email and eBay you will notice that he ranks up there with the 5 Ducks, and the other seller`s from China,Vietnam, Singapore, Thailand. Many of these so-called Nantans are iron concretions and have nothing to do with ever being a meteorite. His other items, Libyan Glass, have been discussed on the list prior. Before you start sending off your hard earned money to these Bargain Sellers think about it. I am sure Bob has a real name that he avoids giving for a very good reason. Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo Zhong Guo ren bu shi yao lai women de difang; fum pi guei!!! --- Email from Chinaren76 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi list, Recently, i've collected several pieces of Nantan meteorites, totally weighted 40 Kg or so. Most of these rocks are huge, except for two small pieces. I've sold the two small pieces at rather low price on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=330049246339 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=330051868673 Now, the weight of Nantans at my hand are more than 1 kg and the largest is 6 kg around. However, i don't dare to sell them on Ebay again because the prices for huge size Nantan are uncertain in my mind. I searched them by Google, but the results showed the prices fixed by other dealers being various from 0.15 USD to 2 USD per gram. So, my question is: what's a reasonable price for huge size Nantans weighted more than 1 kg, especially more than 4 Kg? Any suguestion will be greatly appreciated. By the way, if there are Nantan collectors here, who would be willing to buy them on a wholesale price basis or part of them, please contact me off-list if you wish. Regards Bob jhu[g =9o Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad or Topic? All metal Nan-Tans
I bought a 1 pound Nantan that was 1/2 metal and 1/2 shale for $16 at the Denver show three years ago. Is that a market cross section? Dave F. Michael L Blood wrote: Hi Bob, I found your comment interesting because in reading the post to which you were referring, I saw it more as a discussion about the cost / value of large NanTans with only a back door invitation to anyone interested as opposed to an ad. I have wondered, myself about the market value of all-metal (as opposed to the earlier shale balls) Nan-Tans. I know at least 2 dealers who claim to sell LARGE Nan-Tans at substantial prices (between the prices brought by New Campos and Gibeon irons), but I have never seen a buyer spend $ anywhere close to that - except in the two ebay ads Bob provided. yet he seemed to be complaining about what I considered to be very substantial prices - ie $59/LB and $76/LB respectively - yet, he seemed to be complaining about this being a low price. I have 3 of these pieces in my auction (from 6.5LB to like 34 LB - see Lots 91, 92 93) with no minimum and will be very interested to see what they bring. I certainly can't imagine being disappointed if they brought between $59 and $76 per LB! So, other than comments about whether or not Bill's post was an ad or not, does anyone else have experience with the sale price of all metal Nan-Tans??? I think it is a fascinating subject - I just have never heard anything on it other than a couple of dealers who claim to get very high prices and several collectors who claim they aren't even worth $10/lb (this second price seems to be based on the old shale balls what wholesaled at Denver and Tucson for the several years when they were available - I haven't seen any for several years, now however) - those price differences are HUGE discrepancies, so, any others on the list have experiences with all metal Nan-Tan prices??? Best wishes, Michael on 12/11/06 9:15 PM, Bill at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, Please include AD as the first word in your subject line when posting business offers. It is a list rule. You will avoid a lot of problems by following this rule and maybe even make a few friends. Thanks, Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:34:54 -0800 (PST) To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] On the price of Huge size Nantan Iron-Nickel meteorites, Need advices Hi list, Recently, i've collected several pieces of Nantan meteorites, totally weighted 40 Kg or so. Most of these rocks are huge, except for two small pieces. I've sold the two small pieces at rather low price on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=330049246339 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=330051868673 Now, the weight of Nantans at my hand are more than 1 kg and the largest is 6 kg around. However, i don't dare to sell them on Ebay again because the prices for huge size Nantan are uncertain in my mind. I searched them by Google, but the results showed the prices fixed by other dealers being various from 0.15 USD to 2 USD per gram. So, my question is: what's a reasonable price for huge size Nantans weighted more than 1 kg, especially more than 4 Kg? Any suguestion will be greatly appreciated. By the way, if there are Nantan collectors here, who would be willing to buy them on a wholesale price basis or part of them, please contact me off-list if you wish. Regards Bob jhu[g =9o _ ___ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Look at this great auction!
Dear Darren; Isn't the freedom of the internet a wonderful thing. Everyone doing everything! Dave F. Darren Garrison wrote: On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:52:51 -0700, you wrote: Jim, that was a superb prank! Ingenious of you to substitute a new photo at your own URL. That actually isn't that uncommon a practice. People often tend to be much more graphic, though, using for the replacement photo goatse or tubgirl. (Whatever you do-- do not search google images for those-- and when you do, don't say I didn't warn you). __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Look at this great auction!
WHO IS PROUD TOM?He never exposed himself (herself) at Tucson Show. Dave F. Pelé Pierre-Marie wrote: I'm afraid Proud Tom is coming back... Pierre-Marie PELE ___ Découvrez une nouvelle façon d'obtenir des réponses à toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expériences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Réponses http://fr.answers.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bolide over Denver.
Dear List; After a very successful day of stromatolite hunting and the meteorite bucket coming back empty, I arrived home to a phone message from the local newspaper. We have a witness in the Rock Springs area. The paper has conducted a phone interview and I have directed the paper to the Cloudbait.com site for what ever report that the person can offer. I have offered my assistance if needed. Best Dave F. ebay ID mjwy with some excellent auctions and 4 guides, stromatolite, wood, more wood, and fossil fish. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is the only report I have seen so far (Thanks to Ron Pearson) http://www.9news.com/acm_news.aspx?OSGNAME=KUSAIKOBJECTID=639b9291- 0abe-421a-01ef-cdaa7f7efc78TEMPLATEID=0c76dce6-ac1f-02d8-0047- c589c01ca7bf Anybody jumping in cars or planes to come look??:-) Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Find Raises Chances of Life
Dear Ron, Other scientists with paleobotanical background, Dirk; What are the chances of stromatolite fossils actually being found on Mars? I am turning blue from holding my breath. Anyone care to venture any odds of a rock with laminations being found? Banded Iron Formation or Prokaryotae? Best, Dave Freeman Dealing in Archean Earth stromatolites eBay ID mjwy STROMATOLITE-GUIDE-or-finding-the-Rodney-Dangerfield_W0QQugidZ102432833 Ron Baalke wrote: http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1c=Articlecid=1165406828171call_pageid=968332188492 Martian find raises chances of life ALICIA CHANG ASSOCIATED PRESS December 6, 2006 LOS ANGELES - A provocative new study of photographs taken from orbit suggests that liquid water flowed on the surface of Mars as recently as several years ago, raising the possibility that the Red Planet could harbour an environment favourable to life. The crisp images taken by the Mars Global Surveyor do not directly show water. Rather, they show apparently recent changes in surface features that provide the strongest evidence yet that water even now sometimes flows on the dusty, frigid world. Water and a stable heat source are considered keys for life to emerge. Until now, the question of liquid water has focused on ancient Mars, and on the Martian north pole, where water ice has been detected. Scientists have long noted Martian features that appear to have been scoured by water or look like shorelines, and have tried to prove that the Red Planet had liquid water eons ago. This underscores the importance of searching for life on Mars, either present or past, said Bruce Jakosky, an astrobiologist at the University of Colorado at Boulder, who had no role in the study. It's one more reason to think that life could be there.'' The new findings were published Wednesday in the journal Science and NASA scheduled a news conference for Wednesday afternoon to announce the results. Oded Aharonson, an assistant professor of planetary science at the California Institute of Technology, said that while the interpretation of recent water activity on Mars was compelling, it's just one possible explanation. Aharonson said further study is needed to determine whether the deposit could have been left there by the flow of dust rather than water. The latest research emerged when the Global Surveyor spotted gullies and trenches that scientists believed were geologically young and carved by fast-moving water coursing down cliffs and steep crater walls. Scientists at the San Diego-based Malin Space Science Systems, who operate a camera aboard the spacecraft, decided to retake photos of thousands of gullies in search of evidence of recent water activity. Two gullies that were originally photographed in 1999 and 2001 and re-imaged in 2004 and 2005 showed changes consistent with water flowing down the crater walls, according to the study. In both cases, scientists found bright, light-colored deposits in the gullies that weren't present in the original photos. They concluded the deposits - possibly mud, salt or frost - were left there when water recently cascaded through the channels. The Global Surveyor, managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, abruptly lost radio contact with Earth last month. Attempts to locate the spacecraft, which has mapped Mars since 1996, have failed and scientists fear it is unusable. NASA's durable Mars rovers have sent scientists strong evidence that the planet once had liquid water at or near the surface, based on observations of alterations in ancient rocks. We're now realizing Mars is more active than we previously thought and that the mid-latitude section seems to be where all the action is, said Arizona State University scientist Phil Christensen, who was not part of the current research. Mars formed more than 4.5 billion years ago and scientists generally believe it went through an early wet and warm era that ended after 1.5 billion to 2.5 billion years, leaving the planet extremely dry and cold. Water can't remain a liquid for long because of subzero surface temperatures and low atmospheric pressure that would turn water into ice or gas. But some studies have pointed to the possibility of liquid water flowing briefly on the surface through a possible underground water source that periodically shoots up like an aquifer. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] possible leonid meteorite
I am not convinced yet.any pictures in the as found condition or with ANY fusion crust? Dave F. Steve Dunklee wrote: Yahoo! Photos http://new.photos.yahoo.com/album?c=sdunklee72520aid=576460762359134600pid=wtok=54pjM5KC_Q9KTC8Qk_hREw--ts=1165172077.src=ph Steve Dunklee has invited you to view 2 photos on Yahoo! Photos. Photo http://new.photos.yahoo.com/album?c=sdunklee72520aid=576460762359134600pid=wtok=54pjM5KC_Q9KTC8Qk_hREw--ts=1165172077.src=ph View Photos http://new.photos.yahoo.com/album?c=sdunklee72520aid=576460762359134600pid=wtok=54pjM5KC_Q9KTC8Qk_hREw--ts=1165172077.src=ph On nov 18 at 11:15 pm Rebecca moore of Spring mill Arkansas was returning home from work when she observed a lime greem meteorite fall and explode as a bolide directly in front of her. She was at the top of a hill facing northwest next to a bluff that limits a view of the sky to a few degrees. At the same time Gary Sudol of Mt Pleasant arkansas ras removing his briefcase from his car two miles south of Rebecca and facing nearly north and observed the same fall saying it looked as if it fell right behind the hill behind the office. This narrowed rhe search area to around two miles away covering an area of around 2000 square feet. This morning being the first time I could search in daylight I recovered several small stones which test positive for nickel and stick to a magnet. The largest weighs 26 grams and is in the photos Best regards Steve If you can't see the button above, use this link: http://new.photos.yahoo.com/album?c=sdunklee72520aid=576460762359134600pid=wtok=54pjM5KC_Q9KTC8Qk_hREw--ts=1165172077.src=ph http://new.photos.yahoo.com/album?c=sdunklee72520aid=576460762359134600pid=wtok=54pjM5KC_Q9KTC8Qk_hREw--ts=1165172077.src=ph Note: This email invitation will expire after 90 days. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crust on Irons
Would shikote Alin-like crust work? Blue steel, burn baby burn! Dave F. MexicoDoug wrote: Hi Gary, Fusion crust can be in the eyes of the beholder, so the difficulty with this question is we are making a one-size fits all definition. For the irons, you could get a vey thin local destruction of any crystalline patterns or figures (no longer etch), some chemical change from 'burning' up including colors. In the case of stones, it is a different and typically a glazed-silicate ceramic crust forms. It can get a rainbowish tint from burnishing, though it usually looks somewhat bluish. It's so thin that it quickly is lost to other mineralization in the oxidizing humid environment that is earth's. So there is a difference. But loosely thay can all be attributed to 'fusion' though in the case of iron it has a different characteristic. In either case, when the fusion crust is black, this is generally caused by oxidized iron during the entry, not terrestrialization. That is a main difference between what we see on many older irons in dry and stable environments. So, yes, irons can have a fusion crust, it is just not predominantly a ceramic kiln glaze best seen from some achondrites, which is the classic... Best wishes, Doug - Original Message - From: Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 1:26 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crust on Irons Hi All, Recently I have read a few posts to this list that definitively claim that irons do not form a fusion crust. Yet, in Norton's Rocks From Space, [pg 167 in my softbound edition] it clearly states the following; Iron meteorites have the thinnest crust of all, usually only a small fraction of a millimeter thick. A fresh crust is blue-black to black and looks like freshly welded steel. This crust is fragile and easily destroyed if the meteorite weathers for even a short time. So, which is true? Crust or no crust for irons? Gary Foote http://www.meteorite-dealers.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] wot we need....
Dear Dave; In my opinion, the fleabay and IMCA connection didn't seem to couple together as effectively as some of us had hoped. In the ideal world, it would have been a good answer but in the world of lawyers and lawsuits.well, a seal representing not much from an auction house who cares not all results in, well, not much. I have a george bush toast specimen for sale, it goes well with milk. Dave F Dave Harris wrote: ...is a safe new sales environment outside of Fleabay for meteorites. Somewhere where buyers and sellers can buy and sell and bid if necessary but not have any silly £104 for 1g piece of Nantan, where all sales are moderated and generally a safer environment where listing is free and none of this silly I saw God in this Martian meteorite and he told me to sell it for $30,000,000. yep... I am on the case for this 'Eplace' for us and with our collective efforts we can stop having crap diluting the real stuff from the real sellers. I'll keep you informed if you wish Best dave IMCA #0092 Sec. BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) another trade offer NO you are NOT sorry
Dear Mr. E; and Mr. A. I was reading a book the other day, a big blue book by a guy named Bill. Bill stopped and then started again, and stopped and life got better and then Bill started again and life got worse and after a couple of years in a sanitorium, or assylum, Bill met a friend and the two of them started attending meetings, and both found they could stop. Now there are over two million of us that have stopped. Maybe Mr. A. could seek some of Bill W.'s help. Came to believe, Dave F. Mr EMan wrote: ...NO you are NOT sorry or you would STOP it. I am tiring of hearing you say you are sorry then go ahead and do it anyway. Look...don't bother to say you are sorry or mention the nay sayers, don't explain why you think you should be exempt from self discipline, self restraint, or limits on ads exchanges auctions-- what ever--- just do it get it over with! You are going to do it anyway so minimize the harassment and just stop lying. Elton __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What else do you collect? AD Delete
Hola Charlie; I collect stromatolites (Rodney Dangerfield of the fossil world), petrified wood, jade, unique minerals, kimberlite, artifacts, antiques, stamps, coins, historic memorbelia and dance partners. Dave F. ebay ID mjwy with unique collectable items at auction. My about me page at ebay will offer suggested reading on above topics. Charlie Devine wrote: Gary asked: What else does everyone collect? Time permitting, I sit perfectly still for several hours on my days off and collect dust. Then I go out and hunt for fossils and artifacts (surface finds only!) Charlie __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Metal detector
Pardon my comment but the cheapest is not a very good cryteria for picking a new detector If that were the case, we would all be swinging radio shack brand detectors. I have one, it is the White's GM-3 and it suits all my needs since I know how to use it. But then again, maybe Ssteevvveee does need 9 more, one to trade, one to sell and switch, one to offer and sell for his wife, one...oh never mind, I lost track. Dave F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve, I have around 10 detectors. You need a different one for each job. I would sugest a Garett Master Hunter! It is the best for most detecting. There is a place in Fla. that has the cheapest new detectors. (Calaco) If you are interested I will try to find the address, but that may take a while as most of my reference stuff is packed away and I would have to go through about 20 boxes of lit. Jim Balister __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
