[meteorite-list] Updated web site - meteorite history
Hi folks, I've recently expanded and completely revised my site at http://historicfalls.com. My focus is still on old witnessed falls, with transcriptions of historical documents, lots of meteorite photos, and some articles and explainers. I hope you like it. Please send any comments or corrections to me privately. Also, I'm happy to add links for collectors to the links page: again, just drop me an email. Best, Mark __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite origin questions
Hi John, Here's a lsit I drew up some time back with brief references. It's fairly speculative in some places but it represeted pretty much all the info I could pull together at the time. http://historicfalls.com/about/candidate-parent-bodies/ Mark On 23 Sep 2012, at 11:46, J Sinclair j...@meteoriteusa.com wrote: Hi List, I’m working on a project and I have some questions about the origins of meteorites. I hope some of you can help me. Years ago I read the book “Meteorites and their Parent Planets” by Harry McSween and saw him give a great presentation at Appalachian State University in NC but I don’t remember the connections that he wrote about. I’m familiar with the Howardite, Eucrite and Diogenite connection with the asteroid Vesta and the Shergottite, Nakhlite, and Chassigny connection with Mars. I’ve also heard about a possible connection with meteorites and Mercury?? Do we know specifics about where the other meteorites may come from or do we just say “the asteroid belt”? What about the… Carbonaceous chondrites H chondrites L chondrites Irons Pallasites Mesosiderites and others Any information will be greatly appreciated. Thank You! John Sinclair __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Impossible crystals are from space
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16393296 __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Sale - Rare Types - CambridgeEncyclopedia More - AD
I'll ignore the debat about the origins of man, but this one: What came first. The chicken or the egg? Has a very clear and obvious answer. The egg came first. It just wasn't a chicken's egg - dinosaurs and other egg-laying reptiles were around long before hens :) Mark Crawford On 27 Oct 2011, at 00:55, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Sterling, Okay. I have some real questions for you. What came first. The chicken or the egg? Seriously! Also, Even if your statements are true. Isn't there a missing link between not alive and alive? And couldn't man have arrived here as a man and not an ape? Why did it take man s long to develop if it derived from the soup already here? Thanks, Carl Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote: One. There is NO missing link between Ape and Man since human ancestry is a brush or shrub, not a tree. Two: Lucy is either ONE of many links between Ape and Man or One Cousin to one link between Ape and Man, of which there are probably dozens of so-called species. If this is confusing, just tell me WHICH of your great- great-great-great-great-great-great-grandparents (numbering 1024) you are descended from? Or is it from ALL of them? For example, if you are a non-African, non-Asian H. sap, you have up to 4% Neanderthal DNA. Is H. sap. descended from H. neanderthalensis? Well, no. On the other hand... Well, yes. Human thinking about blood lines and ancestry is hopelessly corrupted by meaningless notions derived from antiquated tripe, of which the idea of the Missing Link is one. Three: There is no way (absent remarkable recovery of DNA beyond present technology) to prove any potential intermediary form actually IS intermediary except for good judgment. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Becky and Kirk ba...@chorus.net To: geohigg...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Sale - Rare Types - CambridgeEncyclopedia More - AD I don't believe that Lucy has ever been proven to be the missing link. Science knows it will have to do better than that. Australopithecine has often been debated---but never proven as such beyond any doubt. Lucy and her kind still spent most of their time in trees as I recall. Kirk. - Original Message - From: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com To: geohigg...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Sale - Rare Types - Cambridge Encyclopedia More - AD On NWA 6077 / NWA 5400: http://www.ebay.com/itm/320779119158 It may be the only surviving ancestor of Earth itself. The last time such a important discovery was made is when anthropologist found Lucy the missing link between Ape and Man. Hey John, or maybe the much more petrologically important link between Lucé and L'Aigle ;-) ? Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: John higgins geohigg...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, Oct 26, 2011 2:14 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Sale - Rare Types - Cambridge Encyclopedia More - AD Dear Meteorite List members, All auctions started @ .99 cents. All winning bidders will receive the New Outer Space Rocks 2012 magnetic meteorite calendar. One per person. All non-auction meteorites 10% OFF FREE SHIPPING. Please visit my eBay http://stores.ebay.com/Outer-Space-Rocks www.OUTERSPACEROCKS.com HIGHLIGHTS of auctions include many new and exciting rare meteorite types professionally presented with provenance: NWA 6868 (5.3g Part Slice) Introducing a gorgeous Provisionally classified LL6 Breccia meteorite. Recrystallized, mostly poikiloblastic clasts containing rare relict chondrule fragments in a matrix of related debris. The presence of some recognizable RP chondrule fragments in NWA 6868 makes it a Type 6 - otherwise it would be an LL metachondrite. The necessary precautions were taken while cutting to ensure you have a nice stable specimen, this slice is polished on one side with no unsightly saw marks.( http://www.ebay.com/itm/NWA-6868-LL6-Chondrite-Breccia-Meteorite-5-3g-PS-/380378898246?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item5890595f46 ) NWA 6284 (8.9g Part Slice) Introducing a new Officially classified L5 meteorite with some distinct chondrules. Olivine (Fa24.7-25.1), orthopyroxene (Fs20.4-21.2Wo4.2-1.9). clinopyroxene (Fs7.5-7.8Wo46.6-43.8), sodic plagioclase, chromite, altered kamacite and troilite.This is a beautiful specimen from a very fresh meteorite with a weathering level of only 1/2 and a very modest Total known weight of only 1021g This is a gorgeous part slice with wide surface area
Re: [meteorite-list] Alleged illegal behaviour
To me it sounds like someone has, at best, been naive and not done their homework. Caveat emptor applies when you're buying a pint of milk; it certainly applies if you're ponying up a quarter million bucks. A quarter million dollars on something, mail order, for something only viewed in photographs? For real? I think that this discussion should make people think carefully about their deals - both from whom they buy, and to whom they sell. Nonetheless - as Farmer says, either they did or they didn't refuse to refund. IF they didn't (minus a reasonable handling deduction) then they're in the wrong. Mark On 2 Aug 2011, at 15:19, Matthias Bärmann wrote: Mr. Jain wrote: I am very new to the meteorite collection ... 3 days learning about meteorites and their classification (...) He also wrote: I also did a bit of research on them and was not thrilled with their quality. I wanted to return Lunar Kreep because it just doesnâ•˙t look right to me (...) makes me think that what they sold me are either fakes or very low quality stuff (...) Sounds somehow strange, no? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Martin Stefan Kicked out of IMCA for theirillegal behavior
To me it sounds like someone has, at best, been naive and not done their homework. Caveat emptor applies when you're buying a pint of milk; it certainly applies if you're ponying up a quarter million bucks. A quarter million dollars on something, mail order, for something only viewed in photographs? For real? I think that this discussion should make people think carefully about their deals - both from whom they buy, and to whom they sell. Nonetheless - as Farmer says, either they did or they didn't refuse to refund. IF they didn't (minus a reasonable handling deduction) then they're in the wrong. Mark On 2 Aug 2011, at 15:19, Matthias Bärmann wrote: Mr. Jain wrote: I am very new to the meteorite collection ... 3 days learning about meteorites and their classification (...) He also wrote: I also did a bit of research on them and was not thrilled with their quality. I wanted to return Lunar Kreep because it just doesnâ•˙t look right to me (...) makes me think that what they sold me are either fakes or very low quality stuff (...) Sounds somehow strange, no? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Alleged illegal behaviour
Naveen, I'll make three more observations then quit on this one. 1) You've been through the channels with IMCA - according to your email compilation, you complained to IMCA (13th July) three days after a note where Martin agreed that a refund was in order (10th July). Regardless of whether people think this counts as trying very hard to resolve the issue, the IMCA acted, and both Martin and Stephan are now no longer members. IMCA involvement is at an end. 2) I draw attention to the amendment to the subject heading I made earlier in the thread. I don't like reading emails which use terms like 'fraud', 'scam', 'systematically engaged in mail and wire fraud', 'one of their many victims', 'illegal and unethical behaviour', etc. As far as I'm concerned, they are allegations and nothing more. 3) The IMCA has no connection with this mailing list. You're not going to get this issue resolved by further emails to the MetList - we're not the police, we're collectors, scientists, students and traders. Ultimately this is going to be resolved, or not, between yourself and the sellers. Mark __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hraschina historical notes
Hi folks, A couple of accounts of the Hraschina fall in 1751. The first observed fall of an iron, and the first meteorite where the Widmannstatten pattern was observed: http://historicfalls.com/18th-century/hraschina/ Mark Crawford __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hraschina historical notes
Thanks folks, and thanks to Mike for pointing out my oversight re Thomson. This is now corrected :) M On 24 May 2011, at 18:18, karmaka wrote: Hi Mike, I agree with Mike! I do also like your site. Keep up the great work! Cheers, Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Mike Bandli fuzzf...@comcast.net Gesendet: 24.05.2011 17:05:46 An: 'Mark's Meteorites' m...@meteorites.cc, 'Meteorite List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Hraschina historical notes Hi Mark, Nice job! I love what you are doing with the site. One correction though - The first Widmanstatten patterns were first observed a few years earlier by G. Thomson on the Krasnojarsk iron (Pallas Iron). See here: http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/bk-thomson.html Cheers, Mike Bandli -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765 --- -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark's Meteorites Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 5:53 AM To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] Hraschina historical notes Hi folks, A couple of accounts of the Hraschina fall in 1751. The first observed fall of an iron, and the first meteorite where the Widmannstatten pattern was observed: http://historicfalls.com/18th-century/hraschina/ Mark Crawford __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Aegospotami fall of 465 BC
Hi folks, I've added a new article to my site, dealing with the ancient Greek meteorite fall of around 465 BC. A stone the size of a wagon load fell, and was a tourist attraction for at least 500 years. http://historicfalls.com/pre-scientific-falls/aegospotami/ Mark Crawford __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] [AD]: Strathmore, Appley Bridge, Wold Cottage, and more ending soon
Hi all, I have a number of auctions ending in about 24 hours. Beautiful part slice of Appley Bridge, large fragment of Strathmore and a lovely piece of Wold Cottage. All exceptional UK historic falls, and hard to obtain. Lovely irons - Zacatecas (1969), Verkhnyi Saltov, Mont Dieu. A few small pieces of Shergottite, and some gorgeous little Chergach cherry individuals. Thanks for looking! http://shop.ebay.co.uk/duineuk/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p3686 Mark Crawford __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] [AD] Strathmore (!), Wold Cottage, Appley Bridge and more!
I've listed a number of nice specimens including a part slice of Appley Bridge, Wold Cottage, and the impossible to find Strathmore Scottish fall! Also some lively baby Chergachs and more Most starting at 0.99p. http://shop.ebay.co.uk/duineuk/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p3686 Mark Crawford __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [AD] Strathmore (!), Wold Cottage, Appley Bridge and more!
Uhm, that would be 'lovely' not 'lively' Chergachs (damn you auto-correct)! For the avoidance of doubt, they have not moved under their own volition since 2007 ;) M On 15 May 2011, at 21:01, Mark's Meteorites m...@meteorites.cc wrote: I've listed a number of nice specimens including a part slice of Appley Bridge, Wold Cottage, and the impossible to find Strathmore Scottish fall! Also some lively baby Chergachs and more Most starting at 0.99p. http://shop.ebay.co.uk/duineuk/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p3686 Mark Crawford __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hoba - historical notes
Hi all, I've added a new addition to my historical site with details of the circumstances of the find of the Hoba mass. As you know, Hoba is the largest known meteorite specimen in the world. http://historicfalls.com/20th-century/hoba/ One passage intrigued me: For the purpose of determining the magnetic axis of the meteorite a six-foot length of steel drill was magnetised, and Mr A W Clark found that the axis is about 14deg east of the earth’s present magnetic axis. No doubt the meteorite became magnetised in the earth’s field when it fell with a violent concussion; but whether it would be possible to deduce from this figure the date of the fall is very doubtful. The terrestrial age of Hoba is generally given as around 80,000 years. This is more than enough for the magnetic field to have wandered by this amount. I know field orientation is used in geology to correlate ages of some beds with the earth's field. Is this approach to verifying terrestrial age one that has been tried, and are there any good reasons why it would/wouldn't work? Mark Crawford __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites
I guess this also highlights one of the obvious problems with a blacklist. The internet has a long memory :/ On 12 May 2011, at 16:23, Robert Woolard wrote: Hello All, I wholeheartedly agree with Frank and Dave. There has to be a huge misunderstanding/mistake made somewhere along the way in listing Todd Parker as a scammer. From the all-too-little time that I have had the pleasure of being in Todd's company, I can most definitely say that he is an absolutely GREAT person, one of the nicest most friendly guys you could ever hope to meet! The list of attributes that Dave listed in the previous email describes Todd perfectly. Al, I firmly believe that if if you will look back over whatever info you based this on, you will find it was not him that you were thinking about. Sincerely, Robert Woolard --- On Thu, 5/12/11, Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net wrote: From: Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites To: d...@fallingrocks.com Cc: meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, May 12, 2011, 10:01 AM Hello All, Dave Gheesling can't post to the list at the moment, but given the seriousness of the accusation made against Todd Parker, he asked that I post this on his behalf: His message follows: Hello List, While I haven't seen where Todd Parker's name was mentioned as a possible scammer other than in Al Mitterling's recent post (I haven't been closely following the thread), TODD PARKER MOST ASSUREDLY IS NOT A SCAMMER OR ANYTHING OF THE SORT. To the contrary, Todd is probably one of the finest people I've had the pleasure of knowing -- inside or outside of the meteorite community. Presumably this mention has something to do with the recent Mifflin thread, but Todd's name shouldn't be associated with anything other than integrity -- he is a class act, to be sure. All the best, Dave Original Message Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites From: Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net Date: Thu, May 12, 2011 10:45 am To: al mitt alm...@kconline.com, Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Hi Al, You made a mistake listing Todd Parker as a scammer. He was mentioned as selling Whetstone Mountains that were definitely real. Frank - Original Message From: al mitt alm...@kconline.com To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 5:57:42 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites Hi Gary, Greg H., Chris and all, Two names have come up recently as scammers. Joel Samson and Todd Parker. We also know of another guy from the Chicago area that is a fraud. What I would like to see is a list of people and companies that are known to be selling fakes, mis-representing material and so forth. I am not talking about someone who has made a mistake. In order to qualify, the person or company in question would have to have evidence that would support their efforts to be purposely doing something wrong. I wouldn't want a witch hunt or dealers who don't like other dealers, trying to put people on this list. I know this is probably going to open a can of worms BUT it is important to know suspect con artists, frauds and people and companies who are just not getting the fact we don't like our collections messed up. Does a list already exist? If not it sure would be nice to have one that could be shared with the collecting community from time to time. Other input appreciated. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com To: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites I've asked the administrator of the Meteorites group on Facebook to remove this person from the group. Hopefully this will put a damper on his shenanigans, but probably nothing short of legal action will make him cease and desist. gary On May 11, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Chris Spratt wrote: Never was my friend on Facebook yet he managed to post things in a group I belong to. Is there a way to unfriend someone from a group? Chris Spratt (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161
[meteorite-list] Hoba photos?
Hi all, I'm compiling an article on the Hoba mass for my web site. Does anyone have any photos to which they own the copyright, and which they would be prepared to allow me to use with attribution? Please mail off-list. Thanks Mark Crawford __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] [AD] Shergottites, Appley Bridge, Rare Irons and more!
Hi all, I have a number of lots listed on eBay finishing in a few days. Some lovely crusted NWA shergottites - all sizes, something for everyone, all started at low $/g. A part slice with great surface area of the Appley Bridge historic English fall from 1914. Rare and beautiful irons - Verkhnyi Saltov, Zaragoza, a killer Zacatecas (1969), and a lovely slice of Mont Dieu etched on one side and mirror polished on the other. Some beautiful Bassikounou individual cherry stones. Several started at 99p. http://shop.ebay.co.uk/duineuk/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p3686 Mark PS: As I am raising funds for a friend how recently passed away, 10% of the proceeds of all these lots is being donated to charity. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] [AD] American Finds, Shergottites, rare irons
Afternoon all, I still have some items on my for sale page which I'd rather sell here than via eBay. * ~2.4g of shergottites (various sizes) $400/g (!) * the impossible to find Australian Mulga South * beautiful etched slice of Mont Dieu with troilite * Many American stones - Admire, Bledsoe, Densmore (1879), Marlow, O'Donnell + more Many are priced $5 - $20 - a great way to get some nice micros at a low price! All here: http://meteorites.cc Mark __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Allende parent body?
*shameless plug* I've just added an article on Tunguska to my site: http://historicfalls.com/2011/04/15/tunguska/ I know it's a slight cheat, not actually being an actual witnessed fall, but hey... What's the current thinking on the status of the impactor? Comet or Asteroid? It goes without saying that IMHO, ET's zapping us from 61 Cygni is not the likeliest answer...! Marko On 16 Apr 2011, at 00:28, Chris Peterson wrote: There is no particularly good reason to think that Allende (or any other meteorite) is cometary in origin. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 4/15/2011 5:04 PM, E.P. Grondine wrote: Hi all - The work on magnetism in meteorite parent bodies is interesting, but I thought that Allende's parent body was cometary. If so, shouldn't the headline read: Comets found to have hard centers? Or is this part of NASA's plan to have comets declared to be asteroids? E.P. Grondine __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question: Sun/Moon
Hi John, Not quite sure what you mean... if the question is, 'less than 15 degrees apart in the sky, as observed from earth', then the answer is yes - every new moon. In some cases the angle is essentially zero - whenever there's a solar eclipse. M On 16 Apr 2011, at 02:09, John Lutzon wrote: Hello All, May i ask a silly question? Answer, better than anyone you know. Well, will our Sun and Moon ever be 15 degrees apart from each other, as observed from Earth? Can this occurance be calculated or is it an impossibility? John IMCA# 1896 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] [AD] Some lovely aesthetic and rare specimens!
Evening all, As I continue to try to whittle down my collection to make way for new historics, I've listed some of my nicer specimens for sale on eBay. A beautiful NWA 801 CR2 with great metal halos. The impossibly rare Mulga South from Western Australia. Some very attractive low-petrologic class NWAs, the rare Zacatecas (1969), and a 7.9g end cut of NWA 2918 - the ONLY non-Antarctice CO3.0 other than Colony! Ysleta and Guanaco irons, NWA 4558 with a HUGE chondrule/inclusion, and an end cut of Dhofar 1290 which has everything! Many others! Some with fixed starting prices, many starting at £0.99. Please have a look! http://shop.ebay.co.uk/duineuk/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p3686 Mark Web: http://historicfalls.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Joy of (space) Rocks
Hi folks, We've had debates over the years about what we collect, why we collect, and what gave us the 'bug' in the first place. I've written a short piece which tries to convey the fascination and history to lay people. http://historicfalls.com/2011/04/11/rocks-in-my-head/ Enjoy! Marko __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteoritehistory.info now back online
Seconded! On 11 Apr 2011, at 22:54, Mike Bandli wrote: Dear Eric, Thanks so much for making this invaluable resource available to the public! We appreciate it! -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765 --- -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Eric Hutton Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 10:25 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] meteoritehistory.info now back online My web site http://www.meteoritehistory.info is now back online, its been unavailable for about 3 months, and is now with a new web hosting company. Check out the what's new page for 'recent' to the web site that is, at http://www.meteoritehistory.info/NEW.HTM Its some time since I mentioned the web site on meteoritecentral so I am repeating the background information here... The web site provides over 10,000 pages of information, 1281 articles, representing about 400 meteorite falls/finds and numerious reports of meteor showers and individual fireballs. The content was originally published on 3 CDs between 1998 and 2003, but is now freely available online and has been extended as additional items and time become available. The content is 69% in English, German makes up 19%, with French 11.5% and Spanish 0.5%. The original texts have been scanned, and are viewable on screen as 'photocopies'. At the top and bottom of each page are options to go forward to the next page, back to the previous page, or start at the first page. In addition the larger articles and books allow you to start at a particular page number, or use an index. Becuase of copyright restrictions almost all of the articles, reports and books are pre 1923 (USA copyright) or 70 years after death of author (UK) Enjoy. Eric Hutton. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] [AD] Mets for sale, including historic micros
I still have a number of nice specimens for sale listed on my web page http://meteorites.cc In addition, I've listed some nice historic micros on eBay: http://shop.ebay.co.uk/duineuk/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p3686 Albareto, Drake Creek, Juvinas,, Mauerkirchen, Nerft, Weston, Tabor! Note that I'll be away for a few days from this weekend so there will be a delay in posting out any items. Best Mark __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A couple of new historical treatments
Hi folks, I've added a couple of new entries. An account by the Islamic explorer Ibn Batuta describes an incident involving a Turkish king in 1325. I've been unable to identify the location of this town via google or via MetBul Turkish meteorites, so I've just given it the name described in the account: http://historicfalls.com/2011/03/28/birki/ The second is two accounts of the Hatford fall in England, on 1628. Joining up the dots from the references, I've also indicated a tentative flight path: http://historicfalls.com/2011/03/28/hatford/ Mark __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] More historic falls
Evening all, I've started puling some pages together about the stories of some of our historic falls, including photos and documentary texts. It only has 20 or so entries at the moment, I'll add as I go along. Lots of photos! http://historicfalls.com/ Mark __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] [AD] - Shergottite, Beautiful NWAs, Lovely irons!
I still have a number of specimens for sale on my pages at: http://meteorites.cc I have reduced the price on the Shergottites to $400/g, and have specimens ranging from 70mg to 1.1g. There are some wonderful NWA including NWA 4680 (L4-6), NWA 4522 (LL3.5, and some of the most gorgeous chondrules you'll ever see!) and a 7.95g EC of theNWA 2918 (CO3.0!). Irons include ultra-rate Ysleta, Zacatecas (1969), and a beautiful slice of Mont Dieu. Still have plenty of small specimens in the $5 - $20 range, perfect for expanding your collection of locations or types at a knock down price! Mark __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK) iron meteorite fall required
I wouldn't mind a copy as well! On 23 Mar 2011, at 00:14, e-mail ensoramanda wrote: Think I read through the report...or some of it... just before I visited the Cranbourne strewnfield lastwill try and remember where and attempt to track it down again. Cheers, Graham On 22 March 2011 20:53, martin goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Does anyone have a copy of the following paper by Walter Flight: 'Report of an Examination of the Meteorites of Cranbourne, Australia; of Rowton, Shropshire; and of Middlesbrough, in Yorkshire' published by the Royal Society of London Any help much appreciated! Cheers Martin -- Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Historical account for Jalandhar
Hey folks, My latest transcription is of the circumstances the historic fall in 1621 of the Jalandhar meteorite, an Indian iron. One of the earliest falls on the list. Describes the circumstances of the fall itself, and the interesting use to which the material was put! http://velikimacak.com/meteorites/historical-notes/jalandhar/ Mark __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] [AD] Micros to Martians, something for everyone
Good evening all, I've updated my existing for sale page, and listed a number of new specimens. Highlights include some beautiful etched irons from Mirko (Mont Dieu, Zacatecas 1979, very rare Verkhnyi Saltov); some beautiful planetaries including individual crusted shergotties; and a number of small micros priced at $5 - $15 - perfect for expanding your collection at a cost. Click on the 'MC' reference for photos. http://velikimacak.com/meteorites/meteorites-for-sale/ I'm trying to raise funds to purchase historic falls, so I'm happy to discuss trading some of these specimens. Best wishes Mark __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: RISKS OF NUCLEAR POWER
Decent article here by George Monbiot: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/2011/mar/16/japan-nuclear-crisis-atomic-energy Links to the latest UN report which estimates total deaths attributable to Chernobyl as... 43: http://www.unis.unvienna.org/unis/en/pressrels/2011/unisinf398.html M On 17 Mar 2011, at 09:28, Count Deiro wrote: Excellent exposition, Sterling. I trust you will forgive me if I plagerize and use the data in an upcoming symposium. No profit to me and I will attribute. I'm sure that your ear to the track picked up the release yesterday that the Surgeon General's actuarials have increased the life span for males in the United States to 78 years and females at 81. So, I can expect, if I stay straight, to see another four summers. Speaking of the Surgeon General...she famously got it wrong during a national press conference yeaterday by stating we could stock up on IODIDE crystals. Makes me shudder. Kudos, Guido -Original Message- From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Mar 16, 2011 10:38 PM To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: RISKS OF NUCLEAR POWER List, We are invariably abnormally impressed by the sudden occurrence of a rare, high-risk event. We do not appraise them in a strictly rational manner when this happens. The current application of fear caused by a very rare event, as we see in Japan, is weighted heavily. For those interested in the actual data, the human cost, in lives, of the various means of electric power production are listed below. Deaths are for the period 1970 through 1992, the only period for which data could be collected for all the means of production. All deaths are immediate deaths, and the figures are on a worldwide basis, which includes countries with less stringent industrial safety requirements than the U.S. This is the picture for the Planet. Hydroelectric production accounted for roughly 4000 deaths, of members of the public, or 883 deaths per terawatt-year. The vast majority of those deaths were from the failure of dams and impoundments. Coal power production produced about 6400 deaths, all of workers, for a death rate of 342 deaths per terawatt-year. (Deaths from the mining of coal are included in proportion to the use of coal in direct power production.) Natural Gas power production resulted in some 1200 deaths, of both industry workers and the general public, for 85 deaths per terawatt-year. Nuclear Power resulted in 31 deaths, all of workers, for a total of 8 deaths per terawatt-year, or 1% of the deaths from safe environmentally friendly hydroelectric power. The other fuel, petroleum, is rarely used for power production but largely for transportation. How deadly, in these terms, is our transportation power use in cars and trucks as compared to the cost in life of power production? The U.S. consumed 0.138 teragallons of gasoline on 2009 (at 4.175 watt-years per gallon), with a total energy content of a mere 0.576 terawatt-years. Highway deaths in 2009 were 33,963, which yields 58,943 deaths per terawatt-year of power consumed. Clearly, the use of this power source for transport is many orders of magnitude more dangerous than the production of electrical power, however it is accomplished. Our reaction to this horrendous risk is to complain about how much it costs us to fill'er up. Humans are not rational animals. The reduction in overall life expectancy in the U.S. due to nuclear power production is one-third of the reduction in life expectancy caused by eating 8 ounces. of charcoal-broiled steak per week. Make mine medium-rare, please. Sterling K. Webb __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Historical notes
I forgot to mention... In common with the rest of my site, these documents can be translated on the fly by clicking on the national flags at the top of the page. It's not perfect, but it's readable. Thank you Google. If only it could do OCR on the facsimiles, and translate into English... we'll give it a few years :) Added Aumale this evening. Who'd have guessed it was a hammer? A second of the same size fell at a place about twelve miles N. by E., in N. latitude 36° 27′ E. longitude 3° 40′, which cut off branches from a shrub, excavated a hole 1 yard wide and 1 foot deep, and afterwards rolled down the mountain-side into a pathway, where it was found. Mark On 14 Mar 2011, at 01:30, Mark's Meteorites wrote: Hey guys, I know some folks are interested in historical documentation around meteorites. I've transcribed a few documents about some of my specimens, I thought some people might find them interesting: http://velikimacak.com/meteorites/historical-notes/ So far I've pieces for Ensisheim, Cold Bokkeveld (my favourite!), Parnallee and Daniel's Kuil. I'll add more as I get the time. Best, Mark __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Historical notes
Hey guys, I know some folks are interested in historical documentation around meteorites. I've transcribed a few documents about some of my specimens, I thought some people might find them interesting: http://velikimacak.com/meteorites/historical-notes/ So far I've pieces for Ensisheim, Cold Bokkeveld (my favourite!), Parnallee and Daniel's Kuil. I'll add more as I get the time. Best, Mark __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] [AD] - For sale, Thinning out collection
Hi all, I'm having a clear out because I want to raise some money to focus on my main interest, historic falls. There are some commonplace specimens through to some very rare ones (GV, Eagle Station, Mulga South), some rare types (achondrites, a really nice end cut of NWA 2918 C03.0) and some beautiful irons mainly from Mirko. Please contact me off list. http://velikimacak.com/meteorites/meteorites-for-sale/ Thanks Mark [Apologies if this is sent twice but I haven't seen it on-list in 6hrs since I posted!] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New year, new site...
Hey folks, I been consolidating my sites and pages onto a new blog. meteorites.cc (which still works) now redirects to: http://velikimacak.com/?page_id=368 Some explainers, lots of pictures of meteorites. Photos from the NHM London collection, and a summary of how to mess around with cross-polarised light. Also some general astronomy photos and beginners FAQ. Have fun, and best wishes to everyone for the New Year. Mark __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Year, new site...
Hey folks, I been consolidating my sites and pages onto a new blog. meteorites.cc (which still works) now redirects to: http://velikimacak.com/?page_id=368 Some explainers, lots of pictures of meteorites. Photos from the NHM London collection, and a summary of how to mess around with cross-polarised light. Also some general astronomy photos and beginners FAQ. Have fun, and best wishes to everyone for the New Year. Mark __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] BLACK FRIDAY POP QUIZ Answer
On 29 Nov 2010, at 16:58, Mark Ford wrote: The often misquoted Lunar program spin offs where not nearly as widespread as is often touted, granted there were many advances, but using the few spin off's as sole justification for multibillion dollar space programs is maybe stretching it.. It's simple politics. Rewriting history to put the right 'spin' on the 'spin offs' is nothing new :) We should go back to the moon though for sure! F'rsure :) Mark __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
