Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Art...delete me or SSteve from herenow! Thank you! AD OT, OT AD.
An ingrown toenail??? Our problem is more like a goiter that needs lanced. Art...do you need a scalpel? http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/search.aspx?q=goiters Dave A, I just may be right behind ya. JD -- Original message from Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hi Captain, John, Sterling, perhaps John wanted to express that what, I guess, Laotse said: An ingrown toenail can suck more than a broken leg. Planet Buckleboo - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood To: Sterling K. Webb ; Meteorite List Cc: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! ; DNAndrews Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Art...delete me or SSteve from herenow! Thank you! John, Sterling and all, John, first I would like to mention that I am selective in reading what is posted to the list. I delete almost all posts that start with AD and those from the Italian Scallion (he who must not be named), and those that are on a string that does not interest me. That is the majority of the posts. However, John, I never fail to read yours, as I respect you and what you have to say. That does not mean I always agree with you, of course. In this particular instance, while I would dearly love to never see he who must not be named allowed to post, his skill at worming his way around the various technological ins and outs and changing his name and such combined with total shamelessness in not accepting his banishment from the list make it inevitable that I will see his current signature on posts to the list. Furthermore, to my utter astonishment, I will have to see people I otherwise respect respond to his posts! Well, John, if I have to stomach that, and I do, perhaps that goes some way in explaining why I have such a hard time taking seriously the perplexing - and what I now find humorous, uproar over Chicago!!! Steve. How can anyone take that situation seriously? (PLEASE do not respond to such a clearly rhetorical question! I have read, and read and read endless posts justifying the resentment, blaming and outright hatred directed at the misguided one - that, too, has reached the point I only find it humorous nearly as much as the Who's on first? routine). Now, as for ADs I gotta agree with you here, at least to the point that they certainly have gotten completely out of hand. I try, myself, to limit myself to one every couple of months - or, at most, one a month. Others clearly see no problem with a few times a week, and some of the better suppliers (such as Adam Mike Farmer to name just two) are among them. Well, I just use the ol' delete key if I am not in the mood to check them out. It does, however, grow tedious just seeing the seemingly endless posts of I have such and such on eBay over and over and over, and Only a few hours left! etc. I find these far more annoying than ads by Chicago!!! Steve, which are at least droll. Anyway, ya, I would like to see the list rule on ads shifted slightly to limit it to one a month per person - but all all, the bottom line is Art has done one hell of a job with this list and if he tweeked it every time someone said he aught to the list would long ago transformed into something far less meaningful that it is today and always has been. Not to get too corny here, but it is a little like the the constitution - I may not like some of what I see going on in the US - and frequently resent a good deal of it, especially some of the presidents who are elected - but I believe it was Winston Churchil who said, Democracy is the worst form of government there isexcept every other form of government. So, while this list is not a democracy, it is run by Art and throughout the years he has kept it as good as it is. I doubt anyone would accuse him of being over reactive or quick on the trigger, but look at what happened in a matter of minutes (not even hours, let alone days) when the meteorite blog was started! So, while I occasionally would like to see Art tweek things this way or that, (and I do) I none the less must take off my hat to him and his wisdom in maintaining a list where the worst thing I have to do is ignore the Italian Scallion and any ADs I don't care to read and am free to likewise ignore any strings (or individual posts) I do not find interesting. I do find it distressing when members of your stature mention they are considering leaving the list because they can no longer tolerate the conditions listed above. I just don't get it. I DO understand this sentiment when there are mud slinging wars going on and I have seen them all. They are not pretty and that is where I have always seen Art take action and banish people involved - most particularly if they are vicious and/or use obscenity
Re: [meteorite-list] sedirlites??
Martin, So how is Sir Pinus ? His wisdom is dope when needed most. Thnaks yu fir awveus esplinashun. Gabbro John -- Original message from Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Can't find that auction, but Pinus Eisenstejn whispered in my ear, that you misspelled the terms from the item's description from the Ward book auction. Siderite, siderolite, aerolites are archaic denominations for the meteorite types irons, stony-irons and stones. - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! To: Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 3:07 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] sedirlites?? Good morning list.I have been seeing the word SEDIRLITES on ebay concerning meteorites.Could someone please explain what these are? steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteor-wrong (most likely)
Jim and Bill, This meteor-wrong has been studied extensively. I believe the consensus of many to date is that it is terrestrial, and possibly man-made. Matt Morgan was involved in one such study and that reference is somewhere in the archives. Here is a statement from the meteorite society. http://meteoriticalsociety.org/bulletin/shirokovsky.pdf JD -- Original message from Bill Southern [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- The photo came from an ebay ad that ended yesterday and I would guess he has more there for sale. Bill - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 11:16 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] meteor-wrong Bill, I have had the same question. Now to me it looks like the real thing. In fact I would like a piece of it! Any addresses to send for one? If it is a meteor-wrong it is a good one. Perhaps it is totaly different! New things are being found all the time. New fish, new bugs, new plants, giant geode caves, etc. why not new meteorites? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteor-wrong (most likely)
Cheap is a relative term. It is a lot cheaper now versus when it was first sold as a new pallasite find. But since it is cool looking material that appears to be similar to a pallasite, it is still not $0.10/g or lesslike cheap chondrites and irons. Pricing is still in the $1 to $3 per gram range. See the site below for pieces at $1.50/g. http://www.polandmet.com/ John -- Original message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- If it is not a meteorite, then it should be just another cheep rock. Anyone want to sell me one cheep? Personaly I think that whatever it is it would be nice in a collection. Don't you agree? Jim __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteor-wrong (most likely)
Marcin, Adam and others: While I provided Marcin's site to the list as a location to buy this meteorwrong...I will not spend a penny on what I also think is man-made material for profit. Maybe someday I'll get a piece for free, or by having one thrown into a trade for something else to add to my wrong collection. For now it is for somebody else to buy, not me. John -- Original message from Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Cheap is a relative term. It is a lot cheaper now versus when it was first sold as a new pallasite find. But since it is cool looking material that appears to be similar to a pallasite, it is still not $0.10/g or lesslike cheap chondrites and irons. Pricing is still in the $1 to $3 per gram range. See the site below for pieces at $1.50/g. http://www.polandmet.com/ Thanks Someone can laugh that pallasite-wrong cost few times more than Brahin pallasite(ebay curiosity), but there is just areound 3 importand reassons for this in my opinion: First Shirokovsky is verry stable. I personally in around 800g of slices find only one with rust. This looked like accident in preparing this single slice. Second, Half of market success of Shirokovsky is this how this mineral was prepared. Give us 1mm thin brahin slices with 90% transparent olivines, and I (and not only me) pay more than for Shirokovsky. Third Its just cool looking thing, and we collecting cool things, so its must-have specimen in our collections not mater if this is meteorite or not. Good night all -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] FW: Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: July 11-15, 2005
Greg, I think NASA should name it the Dolly Parton Impact Crater. :) -- Original message from Greg Redfern [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- My OWN guess (SWAGS are allowed/encouraged here!) is a dual impact at the exact same time with the impactors closely aligned - perhaps even touching or loosely bound. Ejecta is squeezed out and a wall is formed at the intersection of the two craters' point of outer wall intersection . Messier A B on the moon are thought to be dual impactors but they are spread apart a bit. Fascinating as Spock would say. Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html What's Up: The Space Place http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=421 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Redfern Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 10:33 AM To: Meteorite Mailing List Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: July 11-15, 2005 Hello List, Any ideas as to what went on here? Check #60 - one of the MOST unusual crater formations I have ever seen. All the best, Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html What's Up: The Space Place http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=421 o THEMIS Images as Art #60 (Released 15 July 2005) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20050715A.html All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.la.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in collaboration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. To remove yourself from all mailings from NASA Jet Propulsion Labratory, please go to http://www.kintera.org/TR.asp?ID=M69947285956903916642665 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] pics: orientated stones
Stan, thanx for sharing pictures of those awesome oriented meteorites. they are remarkable in their own way. your purchasing of the last two is fortunate indeed. oriented lunar gabbros, and 6 kilo oriented urelites are very rare, to say the least. I hope you are able to get them numbered and classified by a lab. congratulations! JD -- Original message from stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- I took these pics for a buddy of mine, figured I'd share them. These stones were purchased from Serge of cometshop, Bruno and Carine, and Aziz Habibi respecitivly It's a small sikhote but it's one of the best orientated meteorites I have ever seen with multiple lip overs and killer flow lines: http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/8536/orientated109aj.jpg http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/1638/orientated96eu.jpg http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/7398/orientated88xh.jpg This is a new one for me, and it's a whoper - a bit over 6 kgs... and PERFECTLY dome shaped! most people would get excited about a great orientated stone with flow lines, but this one happens to be a ureilite too! :D I'd estimate it's about 30% crusted. It has a flat spot on one part of the rim and stands upright perfectly, leaning back just a little to show off the apex. At about 10 tall it's one heck of a neat stone: http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/9630/orientated1mm.jpg http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/3416/orientated23no.jpg http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/1187/orientated38vb.jpg http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/6352/orientated41na.jpg Last but not least my piece of the new lunar olivine gabro or norite as some are calling it: http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/8344/orientated51bs.jpg http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/5120/orientated62oi.jpg and finally a close up of the back side of the same lunar showing the interesting sturcture of the material. i cant wait to get a window in this guy: http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/3644/orientated77sa.jpg Many thanks to the dealers who provided these neat specimins! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Stannern this?
that material looks more like a small fragment from a volcanic peridot(olivine) bomb now this is the real deal http://www.nyrockman.com/pages/sale-stannern.htm JD -- Original message from M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6546207218category=3239rd=1 for me is not stannern, its totaly different from the piece I have in collection Matteo M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Messenger: chiamate gratuite in tutto il mondo http://it.beta.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] interesting meteorite names
Here are two good ones for you Ssteve: Dumas (a) or Dumas (b) from Texas. JD -- Original message from Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hello again list.A while ago there was a thread looking at odd meteorite names.Like PIGICK,BUCKELBOO,etc.Well I was going thru the natural history's database looking up different specimens, and I came up with this oodity:FUC BIN!An L5 from vietnam.It guess it is also spelled;PHOUC BINH!But the database gave me fuc bin.Oh well!Any other weird names out there? steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dean Bessey material from a new supllier - what is it ? (probable LL4 or 5)
With the help of John Kashuba from California who also bought a piece of this meteorite, it appears that my nice Diogenite is more like a LL4 or maybe even LL5. That would explain the metal, and lack of apparent chondrules on the weathered surface. But the crust so, so nice. :) I'm so good at this... :( I need to stick to what I know or don't know, and not guess anymore. Thanx to John K who exposed a surface for visual analysis. One of John's pics is below. A very nice amphoterite. http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/gabbroman/Bessey_R_205_Low_magnetic_22g_ground.jpg JD -- Original message from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hello all, This morning I finally got to look at a new fragment of a meteorite that Dean Bessey sold as an un-cut, unclassified meteorite that is probably an LL. He sold about 5 small pieces an I bought one of them for about $5/g. The material was from a new supplier, making it somewhat unique in Dean's eyes. The fragment has a nice black melted crust, not unlike many HED meteorites. There is a pull with a strong magnet similar to an LL. Not weak, but not strong like an L. There are no signs of chondrules on the slightly brown-weathered broken faces. Looks like a fair amount of orthopyroxene sticking through. To me it is a nice Diogenite, but I have yet to cut it. I was wondering if anyone else who bought a piece has studied it enough to come to a conclusion? Has anyone cut it yet either ? Curious, but not ready to cut. John __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dean Bessey material from a new supllier - what is it ?
Hello all, This morning I finally got to look at a new fragment of a meteorite that Dean Bessey sold as an un-cut, unclassified meteorite that is probably an LL. He sold about 5 small pieces an I bought one of them for about $5/g. The material was from a new supplier, making it somewhat unique in Dean's eyes. The fragment has a nice black melted crust, not unlike many HED meteorites. There is a pull with a strong magnet similar to an LL. Not weak, but not strong like an L. There are no signs of chondrules on the slightly brown-weathered broken faces. Looks like a fair amount of orthopyroxene sticking through. To me it is a nice Diogenite, but I have yet to cut it. I was wondering if anyone else who bought a piece has studied it enough to come to a conclusion? Has anyone cut it yet either ? Curious, but not ready to cut. John __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dean Bessey material from a new supllier - what is it ?
Hello folks, below are some photobucket pics of the 17.6 g fragment I am talking about. I added them just now. the pics were rushed (my apologies), and this is my first attempt at using photobucket. let's try direct links to pics. http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/gabbroman/besseynew006.jpg http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/gabbroman/besseynew003.jpg http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/gabbroman/besseynew001.jpg John -- Original message from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hello all, This morning I finally got to look at a new fragment of a meteorite that Dean Bessey sold as an un-cut, unclassified meteorite that is probably an LL. He sold about 5 small pieces an I bought one of them for about $5/g. The material was from a new supplier, making it somewhat unique in Dean's eyes. The fragment has a nice black melted crust, not unlike many HED meteorites. There is a pull with a strong magnet similar to an LL. Not weak, but not strong like an L. There are no signs of chondrules on the slightly brown-weathered broken faces. Looks like a fair amount of orthopyroxene sticking through. To me it is a nice Diogenite, but I have yet to cut it. I was wondering if anyone else who bought a piece has studied it enough to come to a conclusion? Has anyone cut it yet either ? Curious, but not ready to cut. John __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) iron meteorite sale,ebay and givaways
Would the 3 bashem triplets be a total 9, Dave? I never know with this new math from Chi-town. The total of 9 for the primary bashers might be right, but for an overall total, that number seems low... JD What is the % profit of a 3 for 1 sale that is 50% off, plus one piece for free equal to if the base price is 4.273 times higher than the present Ebay price ? Give up it is 200 % of course ! Dumb as a fox (squirrel) he is. -- Original message from DNAndrews [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- HmmmI can't seem to find you listed in here Steve. http://cdsprod.ilsos.net/corp.html I think it would be wise to drop the LTD from your website and email signature. Just a suggestion from Bashem #3. Is Elgin in Canada maybe??? Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Well somewhere down the road this email will end up in email hell I am sure for alot of you,even the 3 bashem triplets.I have 6 auctions on ebay and I also have 8 items on my website forsale and I still have a few springwater pallasite crystals still so check them out.The sale is for 8 iron meteorites. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] different prices of meteorites
Boy Oh Boy John, Where do we start and end with this one? BTW...I am so happy and relieved to be back on the List dealing with these important matters. Spending 10 long days in Maui (Hawaii) with nothing to do is a killer. That place is s boring...there is nothing to do there for us cool meteorite dudes. But, I got along OK...thinking of the List all the time to keep me happy. Also, while looking for meteorites on the lava strewn beaches, in the jungles along the Hana Highway, around the Haleakala volcano, while snorkling off of Molokini and bill fishing off of Lahaina. http://www.hawaiiweb.com/maui/html/sites/molokini.html I'm so happy to be back. :( Anyway...what is missing from one of our great representatives? I have a couple. about 99 % of the meteorites he ever owned and a clue (might be covered by the Boat?) the Udder John BTW, Maui is recommended if you like to do all that boring outdoor stuff. Also, no personal pictures will be available to the List. Sorry folks. -- Original message from JKGwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- At 03:32 AM 6/22/2005, Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Or are there some other things I am missing as well?Any help would be appreciated. A list of these items could prove to be quite extensive. I'll mention just a few of them here. Other List members might be able to add to it. the boat good grammar correct spelling e.g. Matzalan;-) sharp pictures Best, JKGwilliam __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] another beautiful day
Terry, I fully support your desire to see that the List Rrichardhead cool his heals, and ultimately does not send us so much crap/spam. Otherwise ...the responsive wrath of yourself, me and others will only continue. Doing this, in spite of loyal support for Ssteve from as many as 4 to 5 list members. I think this is Michael's way of trying to show Ssteve how lame these stupid posts really are. Whether it is working or not is in doubt. We know that the brick up there is mighty thick. So, I doubt he gets it, and will be sending pics and more stirring stories real soon. Yikes...will this sstupid ssaga ever end? John -- Original message from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Michael: I asked you this question once on list, and you did not reply. I will try again. For someone as interested as you are in the purity and sanctity of this hobby/vocation, it is clear to me and others that you are you endorsing the list buffoon's posting and discussion of his vacation to this meteorite list by asking him for vacation information. Why? Why not ask him off list if you are so interested? Terry StarMeteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] What are the True Color(s) of Mars ???
After years of studying rocks from Mars, pictures of Mars, and 500 days of closeup study of Mars with the rovers, does the science community have any idea about... What color(s) would Mars have(look like) if the rusty outer skin was pealed back to the raw, unaffected rock? Mostly light colors ? same w/some Greens ? Patchy w/whites and greens Light green? Green ? Brown ? Some brown and black patches with one the lighter options above? Dark to black? I'd like to think it was mostly green with some light and dark areas. . Imagine, JD __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cold, Dry and Lifeless - A New Take on Mars (and True Color?)
Maybe this answers my Mars color question. The opening paragraph says... New research on a green mineral that degrades easily in water and is present over much of the Martian surface is fuelling debates over the history of water and the current existence of life on the Red planet. JD -- Original message from Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7463 Cold, dry and lifeless - a new take on Mars Maggie McKee New Scientist June 3, 2005 New research on a green mineral that degrades easily in water and is present over much of the Martian surface is fuelling debates over the history of water and the current existence of life on the Red planet. One study reveals that a region rich in the mineral olivine - which suggests it is has been dry for about 3 billion years - is actually four times larger than previously thought. That adds to a growing body of evidence suggesting Mars was mostly cold and dry - and not warm and wet - in the past. The second study asserts that subsurface reactions of olivine and water could produce enough methane to account for recent observations of the gas in the atmosphere, removing the need to invoke living microbes to do the job. Olivine forms at very high temperatures and is one of the first minerals to crystallise out of molten rock. But at lower temperatures and in the presence of water, it is thermodynamically unhappy and breaks down really quickly into other minerals, says Phil Christensen, a geologist at Arizona State University in Tempe, US. He and colleague Victoria Hamilton of the University of Hawaii in Honolulu, US, have used infrared images taken with NASA's Mars Odyssey spacecraft to show that the olivine-rich rocks on the flank of the volcano Syrtis Major cover a surface area of 113,000 square kilometres - about half the size of the UK. Higher resolution That is nearly four times larger than the estimate made by NASA's Mars Global Surveyor (MGS) spacecraft. The difference has been attributed to Odyssey's ability to resolve details as small as 100 metres across, a 30-fold improvement over MGS. Christensen and Hamilton's study is published in the journal Geology (vol 33, p 433). The rocks, at a latitude of 20° north of the planet's equator, appear to have formed through successive lava eruptions about 3 billion years ago. To keep olivine around so long suggests this area of Mars may not have seen a lot of water or a warm climate, Hamilton told New Scientist. That finding differs markedly from the recent discoveries made by the Mars rovers of minerals that form in the presence of water. But Christensen says such discoveries represent rare flooding events lasting for weeks or months and that for most of the planet's 4.5 billion-year history, any water has been locked in ice. I am not a proponent of the idea that Mars had oceans in the past, says Christensen. He says mineral mapping from orbit reveals most of the planet is covered in volcanic rocks, which shows most of Mars hasn't seen much water. Scientists have failed to find minerals such as carbonates and clays that form in oceans on Earth, he says. I'm moving in the direction of 'cold and dry' more and more, agrees Hamilton. But there are other scientists headed in the other direction, thinking Mars was warmer and wetter. It is an ongoing discussion. Making methane The discovery of more olivine on the surface of Mars also supports the argument that underground reserves of the mineral could produce methane, says geologist Mukul Sharma of Dartmouth College in Hanover, New Hampshire, US. He and colleague Chris Oze detail their proposal in the journal Geophysical Research Letters (vol 32, L10203). Olivine tends to sink when it crystallises from magma, which implies at some depth there has to be a lot more olivine than you see on the surface, says Sharma. The team says there is enough olivine in the top 10 kilometres of the crust to explain the recent detections of methane in Mars's atmosphere - if there are stores of liquid water underground, as many scientists suspect. Water reacts with a common, iron-rich form of olivine by producing hydrogen gas, which then combines with carbon dioxide to produce methane. The gas could then leak to the surface through gullies. The easiest way to produce all the methane people have observed is by the reaction of olivine with water, Sharma told New Scientist. Other researchers have proposed that microbes might be a continuous source of the gas, which is easily destroyed by sunlight in the atmosphere. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hidden Treasure
looks like the LL4 named NWA 806 JD -- Original message from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Good Morning List, Dean, A few monthes ago my brother and I made the short drive to Dean Besseys 'cross the river, where we spent all our pennies on different treasures of the world, stockpiled in Deans humble apartment. It was great, lots of meteorites, fossils, old coins, a lap machine for polishing, we were definately like two kids in a candy store! We bought the lap machine as well as some examples of the items mentioned above. After haveing the lap machine at home for a while I was polishing some slices when one of them got away and was lodged under the lap wheel where I could not reach it. I had to tip it on its side to get the slice to fall out, and when I did this there was a little surprise. A 3.72 gram end cut of an unidentified meteorite was hiding under the lap wheel! Obviously a left over remnant from another persons day of meteorite labors. Was it Deans? Or did he leave it there for me as a freebie to be found at a later date just because he's a nice guy? Or did it belong to the guy that he bought the machine from? What kind of meteorite is it? Am I the rightful owner of this small treasure? Or do I need to do the right thing and see if Dean wants it back? Of course he can have it back if he wants,(small polishing fee of $45.00 of course) but is this a good case for Finders keepers?! Would it be different if the slice was lunar vs. an OC? I'm offering it back to him of course, but what would you do? What if you found a slice of an anomolous martian hiding in there? Just a friendly survey! I haven't told Dean, I thought I would have some fun with it first! I need some help identifying it. It's a really cool stone, not quite like any I'm familiar with. There is hardly any attraction to a magnet, what little metal there is, is in round beads. There are some very well defined chondrules and some blown out ones, and there is a really odd inclusion that I would like some opinions on. It's a sort of yellow gold color with black stripes, you'll know which one when you see it. http://community.webshots.com/album/354985092HCtnUp Also, I was asked to write a Franconia field report for the IMCA website. I want to thank Ken Newton for putting it together so well, excellent job Ken! It can be viewed here; http://imca.repetti.net/metinfo/fieldreports.html Rock On! Larry __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] yahoogroups
yaa-hooo ! -- Original message from Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hello list.I guess it was another ANTI-STEVE BASHING DAY for what I saw on the 40 or more emails I got.Well I am taking the advise of mr.herr martin and take my sales to YAHOOGROUPS to make advertisements concerning meteorites.I am truly sorry for all the socalled spam I have been giving the list.It will not happen anymore.I should have done this along time ago.I KNOW what this list is for.And you are right, 30 emails concerning the same thing in 1 month is to much.Well with that said, I hope all my american friends have a very nice and safe holiday. steve arnold, chicago Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] possible new illinois meteorite find
you never know...probably have to call it Tessera 002 -- Original message from Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hell, who says that you have to be a mother to have something nice happen to you on mothers day?At about 2:45 chicago time, I was doing some hunting at a nearby rock quarry, when I spotted as very nice crusted stone mixed in with a bunch of others.I picked it up and looked and I just started to get real excited.So I came home and did some testing.It passes the magnetic test slightly,the streak test comes up positive.Tomorrow I am going to sand a small piece down to make sure.It is only 11.5 grams.There is no denying the fusion crust.I will have better results tomorrow night.You can see it on my homepage on my website.I feel very,very positive about this.As harry used to say,HOLY COW! STEVE ARNOLD, CHICAGO Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 2892 (H/L3) 'Chondrule Conglomerate'
NWA 2892 is very nice. I was checking the paramagnetic pull force of different materials, and was quite surprised that this meteorite, and its cousin NWA 1955 have very very low magnetic pull. Similar to the low end of the LL's and just a hair above the R's...which is practically zero in strength. Now both of these meteorites are H/L 3-4 with a weathering grade of W3, which suggests that most of the metal (60 to 90 %) had oxidized. I do see a small bit of metal in NWA 2892, but none in 1955. Is there something unique about this classification and it's metal/iron content that gives it a low pull srenght? Or does a weathering grade of W3 knock out a good portion of the pull strength due to the oxidation process? Any thoughts ? John -- Original message from Jeff Kuyken [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- G'day folks, I've just received a slice of Stefan's NWA 2892 (H/L3) which has been referred to as one of the 'Chondrule Conglomerates'. Some of you may remember Rob Elliott's beautiful stone some time ago. Under magnification this meteorite comes alive with a sea of wall-to-wall chondrules. and not a matrix in sight! I have put a quick page together at the URL below: http://www.meteorites.com.au/features/nwa2892.html Cheers, Jeff Kuyken I.M.C.A. #3085 www.meteorites.com.au __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] S A U 002 and Esquel Trades vs Mexico Field Trip and MM Collection
The dichotomy of these posts is extraordinary. On one hand had we have the great stories and pictures of two present day meteorite hunters/collectors in McCartney and Mike M versus the daily drool and ramblings of Ssteve, who has absolutely no clue on how to be an INTERESTING and CONSIDERATE member of this List. An amazing example of the range of good and bad posts that are possible. Congratulations to the hunters...and to Ssteve, it has been said too many times to need repeating here. Mr. Meteoritepolice...please help us once and for all. John -- Original message from Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hi list,to all who still have my email.I would like to make a correction on the SAU 002 pieces I am selling.I have 9 pieces,not 8 forsale.They are as follows: 87.5,72.1,46.3,28.6,12.7,8.3,3.7,2.7,1.3 grams.They are all $3.00 a gram.And just a note to the post police, this is simply a correction, not a continuation of another post.Again I am sorry for this mistake.The 87,72,46,28, and the 3.7 gram pieces are fragments.The other 4 pieces are slices. steve arnold, chicago Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] S A U 002 and Esquel Trades vs Mexico Field Trip and MM Collection
David, My apologies...I will go back to lurking. Point taken about tagging on to already stupid postsI had the same thought 20 seconds after I sent it. Irony indeed. Filtering you say...Good idea. John __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite givaway #7 for 2005
One of the List moral compasses has spoken ! I stand corrected and will take my itty bitty ego home in shame. Ssteve, you have been blessed by a higher power to continue with your Freakin Spamming. John -- Original message from tett [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Steve, If any still available I would like one. I will offer to pay at least shipping as I don't think it is fair that you pay all. Sorry for all the crap you have been taking on the list. I just shake my head at how people need to be rude for no reason what so ever. Just take courage that these people are just trying to boost there itty bitty egos by lashing out at others. Take care, Mike Tettenborn - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! To: Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 4:02 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite givaway #7 for 2005 Hi again list.I have another givaway for today.I only have 5 of them so chime in fast.As I always say,my misfortune is your gain.5 small pieces of my SAU 002 169 gram piece came off,so I am making them available to you.They are all good size,so be the first 5 to get a piece.I will pay shipping also.Have a great day. steve arnold, chicago Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I am selling my entire meteorie collection!
I want to warn you Mike about that scoundrel of a friendPanama Red...as the song goes he'll steal your woman, then he'll rob your head I don't think chasing down meteorites around the world will sound to good to you if you get to hang around with Red everyday. As in that's too much work...I'll think I'll lay around the house today, tomorrow, the next day... :) JD http://www3.clearlight.com/~acsa/introjs.htm?/~acsa/songfile/PANAMARE.HTM -- Original message from Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hi everyone, Yup, it is official. My ENTIRE METEORITE COLLECTION is up for sale. ALL up for grabs. I am heading to Panama next week to view some ocean view properties. I am entertaining offers on anything and everything. Many sales are already pending so patience please. I will not be leaving the business, just wiping out all debt, and buying a house down south the spend my time not hunting meteorites sitting on the beach sipping mango margaritas made from mangos from my garden, know what I mean? So, I am taking offers, and making deals, I am NOT GIVING them away. I have began to load the first pieces on eBay, and plan to offer selected specimens each week on eBay for one cent, market will decide what they are worth. Here are links to the first batch, have fun: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6528199952 Al Mahbas pallasite individual, (NOT SHALE). http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6528197934 NWA 1500, rare ungrouped achondrite, $6000.00 piece! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6528204744 Silicate nodule to die for. Looks like PORTALES VALLEY! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6528209368 Strange chondrite, LL3 or Carbonaceous chondrite. Entire mass. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6527700037 NWA 2634 Ureilite, 42.70 gram endcut. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6528220736 Vaca Muerta Eucrite nodule, 74.75 gram piece. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6528225304 Pena Blanca Spring Aubrite, 17 gram partslice. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6528218845 Dhofar 1257 chondrite, entire mass with all data, photos etc. Cool little mass. Last but not least, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6528228723 19.54 gram partslice, $3000 piece! This first batch is at least $10,000 up for grabs for one cent. Let the frenzy begin. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Expedition ST01-Bravo field report
Stan, Thanx for sharing your trip and pictures with us. That little piece of chassignite is cute. Cute as in HOLY COW Stan!! What a buy!!! JD -- Original message from stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Well after a long hard week of travel (comming home to nothing other than tax time) I have a few pictures of my trip to England and France to share. - the front entrance of the natural history meseum in london - the building is ALMST as impressive as what it houses - ALMOST. http://img257.echo.cx/img257/3073/london16pz.jpg - While taking the 'behind the scenes' tour of the meteorite collection I walked down a hallway with a large rock sitting humbly in a cabinet next to other mineral specimins - I do a doubletake as I passed the cabinet - was that? NO it couldnt be!' I say to my self - WRONG - the stone in question was the mian mass of Parnalee - one of the best looking LL3's out there - the 100 LBS+ main mass of Parnalee! The cut face with probably 2 square feet of area main mass of Parnalee! it's a shame the photos didnt come out better, but this should give you an idea of how awsome a stone it is. http://img257.echo.cx/img257/1706/london27lp.jpg -This is a weird one - probably one of the best meteorwrongs out there. http://img257.echo.cx/img257/6992/london34dj.jpg Many Thanks for Dr. Sarah Russell and Ms Emma Bullock for taking the time to put up with me saying 'oh can i see this, and this, and this' (ad infinitum) Now moving on to Lyon France to visit Bruno and Carine- -Bruno and Carine are only just getting their showroom set up now but their home is nothing less of a museum than the previous stop on my trip was. One of the first things you see when walking in is a T. Rex skull staring down at you. Display cabinets containing fossils, roman antiquities and last but not least rocks from space - a surprising number of them from the red planet! http://img257.echo.cx/img257/4912/france19mw.jpg http://img257.echo.cx/img257/6325/france28nm.jpg http://img257.echo.cx/img257/619/france47cn.jpg -My first day in France I got to run wild through the inventory - all of the plastic bins you see are full of neat achonderites, carbonaceous, impact melts, orientated OCs, and great freshly crusted stones. Meteorites every everywhere you look. I dont mean to imply that Bruno and Carine are messy or disorganized but if there was ever a place you would have to worry about the 'problem' of having so many meteorites you are tripping all over them - this would be it. After looking at the 'common' rare stones Bruno served up a tray of the 'good stuff'. You know you are going to have fun looking at meteorites when the most common thing infront of you is a 400g piece of agult. And the bulk of the weight of a none too light tray is from mars. http://img257.echo.cx/img257/6127/france39kp.jpg http://img257.echo.cx/img257/9200/france52gp.jpg -The next day Bruno took me to the site of a roman house that was evident due to numerous pieces of terra cotta seen in the soil. I have sifted through TENS of TONS of rocks at the edges of fields, and gone metal detectng once or twice in my days, but never ONCE did I find a single thing. After about 10 minutes I dug up the medallion off an old Peugeot. 5 minutes later a roman nail - then a few minutes after that - JACKPOT! a roman coin from the time of the emporor Trajan - 116 AD. I know some other list members may have found gold and silver that were few hundred years old but this coin sat in the earth for nearly 1900 years untill I found it! it was a thrill of a lifetime for me! http://img257.echo.cx/img257/3029/france61nf.jpg http://img257.echo.cx/img257/3996/france77ko.jpg http://img257.echo.cx/img257/7736/france87qh.jpg -Now on to the hard part. Bruno trying to seperate me from my money and me trying to seperate him from his best rocks! after a grueling afternoon of negotiations followed by a break for dinner and a bit of burning of the midnight oil we finally came to a deal - a nice big pile of achonderites and even a little piece of the new chassignite nwa2737 seen bellow with an end cut of DAG 1037. I never thought I would get a modest size piece of chassignite for my collection but here it is - now all i need is a descent sized piece of nakhla to round out my snc type colelction! http://img257.echo.cx/img257/7352/rocks3ui.jpg -Aparently Carine was a little unhappy with the steal of a deal Bruno offered me, I walked in on this scene the next morning. Fortunatly no one was injured - most particularly the 15 or 20 kg henbury sitting on the window sill behind Bruno! http://img257.echo.cx/img257/6914/france96hg.jpg All in all it was a great week and many thanks to Bruno and Carine for hosting me while in France. __ Meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Strange stone found
Pierre, Based on its' look and the friable comment, it is most likely an olivine (peridot) bomb from volcano action long ago. I have several of these that I bought at shows. John -- Original message from Pelé Pierre-Marie [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hello to the List Members. Some of you know I'm on a trip through the USA and I found with my friend Vincent a strange-looking stone. Here's the website link where anyone can look at this find : http://www.meteor-center.com/usa2005/diapos.asp?pages=1 (then click on any five links shown as Cliquez sur le lien pour afficher la photo It shows a kind of external fusion crust. I broke one end to see the inside and it shows a greyish-greenish structure. It's very friable. No metal, only tiny bits of green spangles and yellowish crystals (like olivine). As a last clue, I have to say it was found in the Gold Basin strewnfield. At first sight, I would say it's a kind of peridotite but maybe meteorite list members have better advice. Best regards, Pierre-Marie PELE www.meteor-center.com __ Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 250 Mo d'espace de stockage pour vos mails ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.mail.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] boy has been 3 1/2 weeks already?? Lots and Lots to say! But I'll keep it to a minumum!
Ssteve, So glad that you are back and not upset over that stupid IMCA thing. Trivial BS if I ever saw it. As for the contest, sorry not my idea, but I was glad to collect most of the 587 guesses from both IMCA and List members. We do have a winner folks. It was so exiting waiting for the big guy's next message. And you did not let us down with that beauty Ssteve. Mr. Meteoritepolice really liked it too. And to everyone else, the winner of the When is the Weiner Returning? contest is none other than Heisa Idjut, an Omanian student living in South Dakota. Way to go Heisa...your 8 gram monster Compost Sales is on its wayFREE...only $4 shipping. Oh, and I wanted you, Ssteve, to know that Mr Devine is always correct. He is very observant. JD -- Original message from Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hello to all on the list.Even JD who had a STUPID pool going to see when I would come back.Fooled ya JD!!!Anyway I am back after 3 1/2 weeks.Except for that stupid imca thing, I kept my promise.Speaking of IMCA,even a week later I still have not even gotten an explanation as to why I was let go.NO LETTER, NO EMAIL, NOT EVEN A PHONE CALL!I just wish there could have been somewhat of a normal explantion as to WHY!Well like everything else in this big OL' world, it has to be a BIG old secret.But I have been imformed by other people not to even worry about it and get on with my life.Trust me I have.I even had to go to the hospital yesterday to have some small surgery done.I sure did not even worry about that.I did like the outcome!!!Also concerning the probable cause of my dismissal,I belived them to have probably surrounded 3 meteorite deals,WHICH HAVE BEEN ALL SUCCESSFULLY handled in a professional manner.But I do want to publicly give to very fine people my sincere apologies to the after affect,MARTIN ALTTMANN,DON EDWARDS, and NORBERT KAMMEL.I hope the 3 of you accept my apologies for my mishandling of our meteorite dealings.I have gotten apologie acceptance from the 3 of them.I thank you for that and this will NEVER happen again.I value your vast experiance on this great hobby of ours.Now that that is over, on to my next subject.METEORITE GIVAWAY #6,2005.Here is what I have to givaaway: DAG 107-17 GRAMS,NWA 1109 2.1 GRAMS,ZAG 14 GRAMS,RISSANI MORROCCO-19 GRAMS,SAU 001-7 GRAMS,WESTERN SAHARA 1-2 GRAMS,NWA 2117- 4 GRAMS,and fiannly HENBURY-3 GRAMS.7 new things to givaway.I'll pay postage anywhere.Just chime in to win.Also I have 3 auctions ending to day on ebay,ending at between 5 and 6 pm chicago time.And I have 4 more ending in a few days all with buy it nows.Well that is all I have to say for now.Straight and to the point.Have a great dall and it is great to be back.And JD i hope even you have a great day. steve arnold, chicago, USA!! Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - April 15, 2005
John, Peter, Bernd and others: What a twisted weave this has become. The picture in question was probably taken by Jeff Rowell of a section of NWA 1648 (looks like John K's section obviously). This one and I think two others were sent by Jeff when he was showing me some of the pics he had of about 8 different meteorites I had him make sections for me. The meteorite materials were mine that included NWA's 1648, 1774, 1930, 1882, among others. The pictures from Jeff were in my same folder that had other pics of some of these same sections...mostly my pictures. But mistakenly I sent this picture thinking it was of the dark matter in the R chondrite(1774). As Bernd pointed out...there are no chondrules in my version of 1774. When I get a chance I will send Michael Johnson pics of my sections of 1648 and 1774. I was trying to help Michael out with sending a picture, not trying to pull a fast one. Murphy's Lawplus I was quite sloppy in my documentation of these sections. BTW...what is that dark thing in John K's 1648 ? My apologies, John -- Original message from Kashuba, Ontario, California [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- That sure looks like the NWA 1648 Diogenite Polymict Breccia thin section I bought from Jeff Rowell last year. http://www.johnkashuba.com/NWA%201648%20Diogenite%20-%20polymict%20breccia John Kashuba Ontario, California - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 3:05 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - April 15, 2005 http://www.spacerocksinc.com/April15.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pool on the Chi-town collector's er I mean Dealer's return?
Elton, As you know these things are not easy to predict ...even if you would let the party in question make his own guess as to when he would be posting. He'd still not get it right. from PA too, John 7 AM central Friday morning the 15th is my guess with: Who wants to trade for some Campos Sales? Now only $2.573/g -- Original message from E. L. Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Whos is running the pool onwell you know what...te he he wink wink Elton __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!!
Hello all, What do we know here? Jans and I, and others read an email that said Ste was not a member of IMCA anymore effective immediately. Two possibilities: 1. Se quit. (Jans interpretation) 2. Sttte... was canned, dropped, given the boot, fired, dismissed, let go, banished, kicked out, etc. (my initial reaction) What is the truth with the IMCA? Someone knows... As for being threatened with bodily harm by the Meteoritepolice. That is Se..'s story sent to Jans. What is the truth in regards to this threat story? Two people know the truth if there is such a person as Meteoritepolice. And, are we going to believe Sttte...'s story about Big Vito and a set of Campos tied around his ankles. The truth is out there, but I doubt we know it yet. 5 more days, John -- Original message from Jan Bartels [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Dear List, I just found out what a great hobby we all have. Collecting meteorites, talk about it with so many friends and read all these great messages here on the listfun!! Now i'm not such a wild type of person who wants to be involved with problems or all the nagging going on lately on this list but something has happened that really concerns me. I just read Steve Arnold has left the IMCA. Since i don't have any personal problems with Steve i contacted him and asked him what's going on. It seems someone is threaten him with bodily harm if things will continue the way they are. Someone who has meteoritepolice as his mailing adress is sending this message as it seems. Now this is really getting sick!! If all this is true where is this all going to? So many times i read the rubbish of others on this list and who are just getting away with it,even when they have been told to leave the list and/or the IMCA by so many members and still nothing happens. Now we start to use violence!!??sickreally...sick!! I know Steve has made mistakes. I have seen many others made so many more. For the real oneshappy collecting!! Jan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What's this? -for the geology experts out there
Hello fellow green rock picker-uppers. I have more green rocks than Carter has pills. :) I collect green rocks on a regular basis. After years of collecting and studying, along with the help of fellow green rock collectors like Bob V, I have concluded that my shergonots are related to an area of gabbro/diorite material that has had some of it's plagioclase converted to a green secondary mineral, epidote. These metamorphic gneiss-like rocks are very similar to both Bob's and Graham's rocks. I once thought all this green stuff was olivine, but several folks have steared me toward the epidote explanation in recent years. While I am no expert, I do have some of the best green and green-gray rocks around that are strikingly just like shergottites in hand sample. Green Rocks Rule, John -- Original message -- From: Robert Verish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Brother Graham and List, http://marzmeteorite.tripod.com/mars-rocks/2mars1not.jpg As you can tell from the above image, Brother Graham and I belong to the same fraternity - The Fraternal Order of Green Rock Picker-Uppers. And here is an in-situ image showing where I found my green rock: http://marzmeteorite.tripod.com/mars-rocks/MRF04996.jpg Actually, Graham, my story is much shorter than yours. I found my little shergo-not just last week, and only a few miles from my backyard. It was still sitting on top of my monitor when I read your message and saw your great looking image. It prompted me to share my image with you. And, as in your image, I placed a small slice of DaG 476 in front of my Mars-wannabe. For added effect, I placed a larger slice of the DaG 670 stone to the right of my m-wrong. As a rule, I don't hazard a guess about a rock-type based solely on an image. Too many times I've had to change my opinion about a rock-type after examining a cut surface. So, if you show me the inside of your rock, I'll show you the inside of my rock! ;-) It's true. I haven't cut my little rock, yet. And to be truthful, I haven't had it examined by an expert, so I can't say with 100% certainty that my rock is a shergo-not. Wouldn't I be emabarassed if I was wrong, and my wrong wasn't? Bob V. --- Original Message [meteorite-list] What's this? -for the geology experts out there Graham Christensen voltage at telus.net Thu Apr 7 05:21:16 EDT 2005 Hello list I've had this rock sitting on my kitchen table since last year when I picked it up along the side of the road while out for a walk. It is a fairly smooth green rock with black bits in it and it looks somewhat like my DAG 476 shergottite but it's a slightly lighter shade of green. I have yet to grind an end off to see what the inside looks like but there are a couple chips out of it and it looks about the same on the inside with the green part being fine grained and the black bits are individual crystals. I doubt that it is meteoritic (there is no trace of fusion crust) but I was wondering if it might be similar to a shergottite but of terrestrial origin. Here is a pic of it: http://www.geocities.com/aerolitehunter/dag476andunidentified.jpg The small slice in the forground is my DAG 476 and the big rock is of course the rock in question. I have been collecting rocks on and off in this area since I was a kid and I haven't seen anything like it but that doesn't mean much. I live in Alberta, Canada, where most of the rocks you find lying on the ground were brought down from various locations by the glaciers of the last ice age so it's kind of a potluck dinner of geology up here. I won't get my hopes up, but I certainly wouldn't mind copying Bob Verish and finding out I've been sitting on a mars meteorite for a year!! :-) Any comments are greatly appreciated Graham ~ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] impact melts
Stan and others, Acapulcoites, Brachinites, Lodranites, and Winonaites have been thought of as being primitive achondrites that may have chondrules, especially acapulcoites. I've always thought of these as being tweeners in between chondrites and achondritesdifferentiated a lot, but not quite absent of chondritic characteristics like remnant chondrules. Their age signature is still from lon ago. I agree (IMHO) with others to say that impact melting alone does not make an achondrite. It is primarily a function of differentiation. John -- Original message from stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Achondrites - (a-kon-drites) meteorites whose composition has been significantly altered from the early/primative chondritic material. Chondrules are not present. you cant say that because some achonderites contain chondrules - i have an end cut of dhofar 125, an acapulcoite that has a chondrule or two visable __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Does this rectify negative feedback?
Dag gon-it Norbert, you've gone ahead and said the S word, interrupting 12 days of bliss. Please folks, let's be careful out there, and try not to mention the S word for 10 more days. ahhh10 more daysmaybe the vacuum of life will take these problems awaya John -- Original message from ROCKS ON FIRE [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hello, Folks, may I ask your opinion: I listed 2 items (Haig irons) on ebay and forgot to take out Posts to Worldwide, leaving only Posts to Australia, but mentioned in the describtion Sorry, Australia only! One wellknown meteorite collector/dealer from Chicago accquired both with Buy it now option and paid straight way for them via PayPal. Now I realised the mistake, as I do not have an export permit for this meteorite and wrote this gentleman an apologetic letter and refunded the money straight away. It hit me a bit hard when I got his reply (strange wordings, read below, if you want) and saw that he had given me 2 negative feedbacks for that. I always thought we are some sort of a family and would try to sort things out - I have tried! I would very much appreciate your honest opinion in this matter, as this is the very first negative feedback on our proud 1000+ positive record. ( If you are bored you can go throught the correspondense following.) Thanks for your advise and Best regards from DOWN-UNDER, Norbert Heike Kammel ROCKS ON FIRE IMCA #3420 www.rocksonfire.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Interesting Meteorite Science Article
Geoff, Where do you find these really, really great great articles? Amazing stuff...these ants and all. I wonder if the good Doctor ever figured out if the meteorites liked the Beatles? Maybe the Ants were jealous if you know what I mean. From his own Royal Chambers, John -- Original message from Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Dear Listees: Greetings from sunny Tucson. I'd like to draw your attention to an extremely interesting meteorite science/biology crossover article in the current online issue of Bio Science News: http://www.biosciencenews.netfirms.com/news_stories/8802_33-2005.htm Regards to all, Geoff N. www.notkin.net www.paleozoic.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Interesting Meteorite Science Article
that's an easy one: Pink Floyd's One of These Days on the Meddle album (1971). The album/song starts out One of these days I'll break you into little pieces. Very intense song...pass me a hammer please. John http://www.pinkfloydfan.net/t1512.html -- Original message from Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- you can distinctly hear the words Millbillilli...Millbillilli several times if you play it backwards. Oh, that's what that weird noise was. I vaguely remember something mysterious on the LP but, John, I don't have a vinyl copy of Hard Day's Night anymore. I just tried running my CD player backwards and I broke it. What should I do now, hit it with a bigger iron? And since we're talking about music, many years ago -- when the Meteorite List was just a wee little list -- someone started an entertaining thread along the lines of, What is your favorite music to listen to when staring, transfixed, at your meteorite collection? A recommendation for that, if I may: Brian Eno's Apollo: Atmospheres and Soundtracks, which was the soundtrack for Al Reinart's documentary about the Apollo program, For All Mankind. That's a very interesting movie for you space nuts too. I was lucky enough to see it at the 56th St. Playhouse in NYC. It had a VERY limited theatrical run, but is available on DVD. Anyone else seen it? Okay, wandering off-topic here, sorry, Geoff N. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] why is everyone always picking on me (to quote a famous song phrase)
I just want to say we are right behind you big guy. Stay away as long as you like. Don't let all these enabling supporters encourage you to continue with your daily SPAMMING. The list community needs a nice long break from this topic. A year or two would be even better. Chevy Chase said it best in Caddyshack, Don't sell yourself short Judge, you are a tremendous slouch. JD -- Original message from Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hi list and good evening.Everyone always says,it is better to keep your mouth shut, then to say something you might regret.I know in the past I have said some things I should not have,but I usually do not go around and critisize people in public,let alone private.The last couple of days about my posting just continue's to baffle me why so many people get ALL WORKED UP.I see people continue to post dumb and many things, but does it get to me?NO!!!Like I keep saying,life is to short to be worrying about some frivilous BS.I know alot of you people do not like me.I also know alot of people do like me.Hurray for me!!You cannot have everyone like you.If you did, you would probaly me a cartoon character.And there are some real characters on this list.You see, I can make my point without saying any names.That is wrong and is not my style.So I have decided that from tonight, after this post,I will not post anything again till after april 15th.You are will say, yeah right mr.post-it.Well I just thought it might help me win back some people who think very lowly of me.I will continue to email in private and watch the list,but I'll be silent till the 15th.And to all the people who get thier kicks putting people down because you do not have a life, GET ONE.My admiration for those people who have been in this business alot longer than me,to me, deserve the utmost respect and admiration.Because they are the ones who have given us the chance to really enjoy this great hobby.My hats off to all those people.Good night from chicago till the 15th of april. steve arnold, chicago,usa!!! Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Allende, the new drug of 2005?
oh, oh, I got one... like wow! that Allende stuff is FARout man can ya dig it? ;\ Tom...have you checked your furnace for CO ? -- Original message from MarkF [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- its a holistic thing hehehehehe - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb To: Tom Knudson ; met list Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Allende, the new drug of 2005? Hi, The lithium content of meteorites is pretty low. The organics in a carbonaceous are too small in molecular weight to be psychoactive. Guess it's just a case of meteorite happiness. Like substituting meteorite for horse in the famous Ronald Regan quote, The outside of a horse is good for the inside of a man. Except that it only happens when you cut them, so maybe it's the inside of a meteorite is good for... O, never mind! Sterling Webb -- Tom Knudson wrote: With all the ingredients in Allende, is it possible there is something in there that could work as an anti-depressant? Tom __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: [ I.M.C.A. ] A Thesis on Lurking PROSE -delete
are you talking to me?...I'm trying to stay loose here Dave. maybe it is just fear of being blogged. Boringly yours :), John PS I'm really not sure what the heck you are talking about. -- Original message from David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- A thesis on meteoritic lurking. I feel a compelling advancement to withhold perspective and muse. Judgmentalism seems obtuse, liberalism like a puddle of muddy water surrounding the perch-rock, a rare carbonaceous sitting in a puddle of siltaceous stew. Moldy cottage cheese-verbalizm, linguistic-spam, over cooked spinach days old in the Taku arm; gum disease, consumption befitting a lower food chain based reptilian omnivore to whom this is a very satisfying diet. Dirt is dirt whether from one source or another. Ashes to ashes. Determining why the word analytic starts out with anal; and deeming a smirk; very appropriate to a hungry blind pond turtle. I think that I shall put a messy purple ink well at my keyboard and dip my delete key finger to the sign of denial and withholding. I shall blatantly display it to the screen. The court of morality is of dilution and stay-at-home-ism. Let the wolf eat dirt when the meat has been consumed by the liberal turtle who stalks from the muddy pond. Old spinach digests well in the slow world of the turtle. Dues: dues to the roughshod pony riders who taunt and ride into the darkness. The white sheets of light are but paper cloaks for a light wind and rain to expose the flatulence of pomp. May the Tagish Lake and the Nantan hold hands and walk away in agreement that tin cans tied to a string are but historic rabble and the muddy green turtle pond will even silence their ambitions. And one day...even the mossy turtle shall abandon his putrid pond, don a sweater, and move on. Dave F. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Has someone you know been affected by illness or disease? Network for Good is THE place to support health awareness efforts! http://us.click.yahoo.com/RzSHvD/UOnJAA/79vVAA/1.XolB/TM ~- The International Meteorite Collectors Association Official Mailing List Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/meteoritecollectorsassociation/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay fraud alert
Another Rocket Surgeon, or is Brain Scientist ? (This hobby is a magnet for them) This is the note at the bottom of his auction: SPEACIL NOTE: NEEDS TO BE PUT IN A SAFE PLACE OF DISPLAY BE THE FIRST TO OWN AND MAYBE THE LAST. THANK'S speacil aukshun endede, JD -- Original message from Bob Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Ive dealt with this guy. He bought a couple of meteorites from me and renigged on one the payments. Apparently hes trying his luck with selling garbage as meteorites. So, beware to the newbies. Heres his ebay link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=6518820774rd=1 ssPageName=WDVW Bob E __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] More Bologna News !
Here is a Top 10 list of some of the Bologna Meteorite News expected to come out soon...some are true, some may just be speculation at this time. 10. Benguierer is actually Bensour (already reported) 9. Amgala is actually Zag 8. NWA 3133 is actually NWA 1839, same for NWA 1110 is actually NWA 1068.NWA...(this one goes on and on...you get the idea) 7. Oman meteorites are actually from long standing European Collections and sold as new stock. 6. NWA's are actually illegally smuggled from Australia to Madagascar, up through Africa, into Algeria, across the border into Morocco, through Dean, and on to Europe and USA. 5. David Weir and Bernd Pauli are long lost cousins, and Mauro Daniel is not related to Matteo. 4. Franconia is NWA from Australia. to Morocco, through Dean, to two guys only known as John G. and Dave A. Who then sprinkle these rocks across Arizona on nice weekends. 3. Many Shergottites sold these days are actually pieces of gabbro found in Eastern PA. 2. John Divelbiss is not normal, and probably needs help. 1. The famous Muppet Show character known as Beaker is still alive, and is presently disguised as a meteorite collector living in the US. (No more details are available yet on this one.) JD reporting from Bologna. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] What are the latest Iron and Stony-Iron Falls ?
With the recent discussions about the Meteor Crater bolide shape/fragmentation, and the new irons for sales from NWA. I've been wondering recently about: 1. What were the last 3 to 5 recorded iron falls around the world? Does it include SA ? 2. What were the last 3 to 5 recorded stony-iron falls around the world? Were any pallasites? I tried to use the A to Z book, but it quickly became too tedious...so I thought I just ask the List for the info. Thanx in advance to anyone who can help. John __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What are the latest Iron Falls?
Bernd, Two great lists to keep as evidence to the rarity of both types. Irons and SI's are probably both undervalued in many ways. Though rusters are rusters and I don't want any more of some of them. As always Bernd, thank you for being there and for answering many of our questions. Especially in terms of the data, concepts and explanations about the subject of meteoritics. With great respect, John PS I like stone meteorites for the most part. I like SI's second with meso's ahead of pallasites. Irons have yet to catch my fancy, in a serious way as far as collecting. -- Original message from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- 1. What were the last 3 to 5 recorded iron falls around the world? Does it include SA? Kaposfüred - IVA - Hungary - 1995 Ban Rong Du - Thailand - 1993 Sterlitamak - IIIAB - former USSR - 1990 Chisenga - Malawi - 1988 Raghunathpura - IIAB - India - 1986 Akyumak - IVA - Turkey - 1981 Ningbo - IVA - China - 1975 Juromenha - IIIAB - Portugal - 1968 Muzaffarpur - IRANOM - India - 1964 Bogou - IAB - Upper Volta - 1962 Kayakent - IIIAB - Turkey - 1961 Yardymly - IIICD - former USSR - 1959 Sikhote-Alin - IIAB - former USSR - 1947 Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What are the latest Stony-Iron Falls ?
the numbers since SA fell are 13 to 2 for irons versus SI's 6.5 to 1 (looks like it could be 6% and 1% like the books say? Or 3 to 0.5 ,etc.) JD -- Original message from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- What were the last 3 to 5 recorded stony-iron falls around the world? Were any pallasites? Dong Ujimqin Qi - MES - China - 1995 Omolon - Pal - Russia - 1981 Patwar - MES - Bangladesh - 1935 Lowicz - MES - Poland - 1935 Dyarrl Island - MES - Papua-New Guinea - 1933 Marjalahti - PAL - former USSR - 1902 Zaisho - PAL - Japan - 1898 Veramin - MES - Iran - 1880 Estherville - MES - USA - 1879 Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Birth of Chondrules
As I understand it... most L, LL, H, E, C chondrule formations are thought to have occurred from 4.55 billion to 4.70 billion years ago, with varied dating results typically found when analyzing the different elements in a rock being studied. Whole rock dating gives up an overall average age. I think the idea is that CAI's were formed first, followed by chondrules, followed by carbonates (and matrix material). The whole process for a given chondrite material is thought to have taken no more than a 100 million years. Chump change in time, right ! My novice two cents, John -- Original message from Charles O'Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- RE: Dating of Chondrules I am researching the absolute ages of chondrules, specifically; Within average chondrites, are all the chondrules the same age or do they vary? If so, by how much? Thanks in advance Charles O'Dale Meeting Chair Ottawa RASC http://www.ottawa.rasc.ca/astronomy/earth_craters/index.html (Pingualuit Crater updated) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:17:53 -0500 From: Anita Westlake Subject: [meteorite-list] The Birth of Chondrules To: Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Check out this article on the birth of chondrules: http://www.rednova.com/news/display/?id=132866 Anita D. Westlake __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Orleans meteorite bits on Ebay
Darren, I looked around in February and January and could not find the thread. Dave Harris also chimed in at the time, and I looked for his messages about this subject...but those messages are missing too. My experience with the archives is that for some reason, the log for a given month is incomplete. Most months are complete I believe, but I know I've seen some montly logs/lists that were definetly missing some posts...some months, lots of posts. Nothing is perfect. Usually the archives are pretty good. John -- Original message from Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 23:20:55 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we went through this last month (look in archives). I believe he has a good rep as a mineral dealer, and that he picked the pieces up off the street in the area of the fall. I've already bid on a set since people here have vouched for him, but I just scanned (with software, not just my eyes) through all of the messages from the list since I joined in December and none mentioned the New Orleans meteorite. I can't search the archives on the MeteoriteCentral web site because the search function doesn't work, at least for me. I enter something into the search field, TRY to hit the search button to the right, and nothing happens. No search, not even a click sound. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] tile saw cut meteorites?
the maximum thickness a 6 saw like this can handle is about 2 (+/- 1/8). an integral vice is quite helpful, as is a new thin (knerf) blade. I have tried the thicker industrial blades (used in road saws, etc.) with the segmented-like diamond edges without much success in getting good cuts. Plus the losses are much higher with these thicker blades. The knerf blades with a continuous edge of glued-on diamonds do a nice of cutting a straight smooth surface when the blade is fresh. Though the knerf blades don't seem to last real long either...depending how much metal is in the material you are cutting. After about 10 cuts it starts to labor a bit, and one has to go slower at that point. Dressing the blade by cutting a piece of quartz can help a little bit. I don't cut irons with my 6saw. John PS New saws like this are about $250 (used ones can be found for $150)...and blades run anywhere from $15 to $25 a piece, unless you can buy in bulk. -- Original message from Bob Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Tom, My advice is to get a regular lapidary saw the largest size that you can afford. If you get a 6 inch you may be kicking yourself for not being able to slice up a large stone. After some practice your cuts will be smoother and you will have half the cut loss that you would have with a tile saw.Getting one with a clamp is a definite plus. Don't worry about cutting with water. I cut with water all of the time. Its alot cleaner than cutting with oil. Just put the meteorites in a toaster oven for 15 minutes right after you cut them. They shouldnt rust. Good luck Bob - Original Message - From: Tom Knudson To: met list Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 8:46 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] tile saw cut meteorites? Hi List, will a (wet) 7in.tile saw cut meteorites? Thanks!!! Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm http://fstop.proboards24.com/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.4.0 - Release Date: 2/22/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The big red grinder and the meteorite pie ***apology (is accepted)
Dave and others: Your story yesterday did seem a bit crass...but the thought of cutting meteorites with a tile saw is scary to think about from my perspective too. I'll have to go back and read the pie story with a different mind frame this time. I too did not tell the whole story with my earlier note on using a saw. I also advise others to cut plenty of terrestrials before ever trying to cut a meteorite. I have drawers full of terrestrial slices. I only use distilled water, and like Bob I make sure I dry the cuts right away ...in my case with a heat lamp. I change water fairly often, and have limited my cutting to stones for the most part. A few meso's and small eucrites have been in the saw too. :) Personally I would like to hear from folks like Stefan Ralew, Eric Olsen and others who do some of the best work out there. When it comes to nice cuts and premiere polishing, Stefan and Eric have it down to an art. Some of Stefan's pieces look like a mirror...the polish efforts are amazing to see with some of the materials. And for pricing, both of these guys are quite fair. You're forgiven Dave for trying to point out the absurdity of the tile saw, hack saw, grinder concepts for cutting meteorites. John -- Original message from David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Dear List; I wrote a very satirical post yesterday about cutting and grinding your meteorite and making a pie. PLEASE do not take any of this literally. Meteorites are much to valuable to be fooling around with in this fashion. I have owned over half a dozen diamond blade saws in the past ten years and own three today. I probably run my saws over 500 hours a year minimum. I mostly cut stromatolite, jade, petrified wood, banded iron. I cut a gold basin once years ago. I used water and my favorite small saw. I could see then that a meteorite, being so rare, would be forever altered by the saw, sometimes for the good and sometimes for the bad...perminently! Fortunately, my cut turned out for the good but it could have went the other way very easily. I do not cut meteorites today. I do cut meteorwrongs for hobby purposes. I recommend anyone that wants to start cutting meteorites to start cutting Earth rocks for a while and then get a professional or very experienced meteorite cutter to tutor them individually about how to select the thin blade, the best methods. For anyone to start out with a tile saw would be really a very poor judgment move in my opinion. Even the lowly Nantan or rusty Campo deserves better than a tile saw. My fossil fish supplier used a tile saw for rough cutting fish plates. That would be the extent of what a tile saw would be good for, not meteorites or other rocks. When I found my Rock Springs meteorite, did I cut my child: nope! I sent it to a professional to do the slice for science cut. Please, do not play around with sawing up meteorites, even NWA's until you have practiced/perfected cutting on terrestrial rocks, and only cut meteorites as an apprentice under an experienced person who knows what they are doing. I am sorry for posting the satire about the tile saw and grindersbecause there are those that don't have any common sence and MAY try it after all. PS: if you do, be sure to use chocolate pudding and the frozen pie shells, they taste better! Dave Freeman (no, I won't cut your meteorite) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The big red grinder and the meteorite pie ***apology (is accepted)
I don't remember anyone mentioning the ban saw as a no-no for cutting meteorites. In fact, I would love to have a ban saw to cut irons and larger stones. After many years of using one in a machine shop in my youth...I have great respect for the nice slow accurate cut of a ban saw. From my experience you typically need an oil based cutting coolant to keep it from binding up. Maybe we should look into using plasma and water cutters on meteorites too. yikes ! JD -- Original message from Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:57:50 -0700, David Freeman wrote: create great satire, and humor at the thought of using such rough lapidary tools as masonry tile saws, chop saws, hand grinders on such rare and sacred treasures as meteorites. One wouldn't take a Cadillac car to enter a mud bog rally, nor would one use a tile saw to cut meteorites. Ever. I'll bet this photo of this clueless moron cutting a meteorte will really give you shivers, then: http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/cluelessmoroncuttingmeteorite.jpg __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Steve's Bob Haag pieces
That is surprising to see...h? It's just a MACY piece though...no biggie. I wonder if the LATER DAY NININGER reference was for when Harvey was old, or really old. I would think of Bob as being much younger, more like an EARLY DAY, or MIDDLE of the DAY NININGER. JD -- Original message from devon slater [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hello All, It didn't take too long now, did it? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=6513553514rd=1 ssPageName=WDVW Devon __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Steve's Bob Haag pieces
Bernd, As an English teacher you should know that this language can be very confusing at times. The last part of that infamous Sunday message stated They will foe\rever stay in my collection. While it looks like the word foe\rever was written to mean forever. The Midwest(USA) translation is more like: foe\rever = at least 2 weeks (and not to the end of time). Yours truly, Dr. John...certifiable expert on such nonsense. PS. BTW...the MACY piece is a nice specimen...no kidding this time.:) -- Original message from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hello All, Hello Devon and List, It didn't take too long now, did it? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=6513553514; rd=1ssPageName=WDVW Sunday, February, 2005: Like I said last week, I AM NOT SELLING ANY OF MY HAAG PIECES. Someone has already asked me to pay $1000 for the ransom piece. I said, NO!! These pieces mean alot to me. Oh, well, Best wishes, Bernd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo 16 Moon dust on ebay...mmmmmmmmm
According to Kevin's book (pg 36) it is illegal for an individual to possess NASA moon material. I'm sure it is then illegal to sell it on ebay. I know such material exists in private hands because I saw a vial of it at my father's company back in the seventies. They made drilling bits that were used to get Moon core samples. I've seen the vial in the past...but to date nobody seems to know what happened to it. I know we didn't get it :( John -- Original message from ken newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- I would not quickly discount the story. I have heard that each member of NASA's Prime Recovery Team was given a small vile with a lunar dust and fragments cleaned from space suits and boots. Last year I asked NASA to confirm this but I am not aware of any response. As far as the fragments up for auction, perhaps they are from the 'blue moon' that occasionally appears ;) best, ken stan . wrote: i wounder why a guy with nealry 6000 + feedback and only 1 negitive would be selling something like that on ebay... From: M come Meteorite Meteorites To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Apollo 16 Moon dust on ebay...m Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:23:48 +0100 (CET) Hello http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=416item=3959307456rd=1 for me its a fake Matteo = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Nuovo Yahoo! Messenger: E' molto più divertente: Audibles, Avatar, Webcam, Giochi, Rubrica Scaricalo ora! http://it.messenger.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Venting.
Dave, I even heard (from a blogger ?) that some of the pieces bought from Bob were sold again before the buyers left Tucson that weekend. While they were still warm ya might say. While I'm pretty sure I would never sell a piece in the immediate time after just buying one from BH...I could see selling one later at a profit. I don't think I would sell right away, and at a loss at that...such things were said to have happended (blogger again). Sounds a little goofy to me. Lastly, I highly recommend that folks should not say they: will NEVER DO THIS, or I ALWAYS DO THAT. Usually such statements come back to haunt them. Bloggingly Yours, John -- Original message from Dave Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Greetings. This is something that has got under my skin a bit this past week, and need to do a little venting, even though it might bring some people down on me. After being in Tucson at the show a couple of weeks ago, and spending a bit of time in Bob Haag`s room, and seeing the great sales that he offered to people, including myself. I`m just amazed that these same people are now turning around, selling thier specimens that they got from Bob, and using HIS NAME to make a profit from these purchases from him! I know that this is probably just business, but seems a little unethical to me. They are not bad people, but just seem a bit too greedy! I know of a couple of pieces that other collectors would have liked, but were gone before they even had a chance at a great deal, specimen and provinance! Hopefully this kind of practice does not affect future deals from certain individuals, and REAL collectors can benefit from the these kinds of sales, and appreciate the specimen for what it is, and not something to make money on. There, that is all I have to say on that, and I WILL NOT be selling the pieces that I got from Bob! Dave __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Please Ignore!!!! Way off topic!!!! Stating the OBVIOUS!??
Metric...I remember that...we were going to convert our country (USA) from english to metric back in the 70's. Somehow that didn't happen...along with a few other ideas we had then. And don't forget to divide by 32.2 unless you are doing thermodynamics, then ignore that comment. What a system! JD -- Original message from Jerry A. Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hi Adam, The problem here lies not with you but with the average American who is almost totally ignorant when it comes to the 'mysteries' of the metric system. The average (older) American doesn't know a centimeter from a centipede or a millimeter from a millipede. They can't tell you which has more volume: a quart or a liter (except for a few dedicated drinkers who figured it out at the liquor store years ago when the distillers went through the conversion process to metrics.) There was a once a highly promoted national program that was meant to educate Americans about the use of the metric system and then gradually convert the country over to its use. If memory serves, it seems like that was during the Kennedy administration. It was a rational and noble effort that died on the vine because it brought the populace of our fair country together like few things before or since. I well remember all the kickin', screamin', shoutin', and hollerin' that the proposal caused. Yessiree and by dang, they shouted in unison, the old methods of using inches, feet, yards, fractions, quarts, gallons and the like were good enough for our forefathers, so by jingo, they're good enough for us. Well, the government cratered to popular will, therefore we're still building and measuring things with a system of measurements that was created by establishing the distance between the tip of the King's nose to the tip of the King's thumb with his arm outstretched as being one yard (whatever that was). The metric system is actually based on scientific reasoning and is incredibly easier to use. It actually makes sense. I don't know what is being taught or used in schools now, but I can only hope that the metric system is the preferred system. If it is, then it's one of the few things that the feds had any input on that was truly useful and right. But then that's a different can of worms. So, my recommendation to you is stick with using the centimeter cubes as scale comparisons in your photos, and thereby force the boneheads to go out and buy a metric ruler. It'll be good for the economy and may give the knuckleheads a clue the next time they meet a centimeter or millimeter. Just some thoughts from the west Texas wilderness, Jerry Adam Hupe wrote: Dear List, I must be missing something here. Using a 1 cm cube to give a perspective buyer some scale is considered by some a corruption of use? It tells a lot about this public forum when something as innocent as a scale provided in an image so that a perspective buyer can make an informed decision about the size of the object is somehow considered a scam. It makes the avocation so much more enjoyable. Just, what is proper scale etiquette? Kind Regards, Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] chondrules?
Darren, Jerry and others, The Google search that Darren did gives you lots of nice pics from Jeff Rowell's site, and others. Jeff is a good friend of mine who has been selling very nice covered sections for a few years now. He is not a list member, but he is definetly someone who is into meteorite sections. I have many from him and highly recommend him to others. He uses a very good section maker and has had good instincts over the years in selecting materials/pieces to study. He is good with a camera, and has a pretty good idea on how to analyze these things (sections), not unlike other capable novices like Bernd. I think Jeff has some geology background too. His website is below. His ebay handle is: mrowell http://www3.sympatico.ca/jeff.rowell/Default.htm And Jerry, the section of NWA 1774 (R3.8-6) you bought from me was from Jeff also. Enjoy thin sections! John -- Original message from Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:53:30 -0500, Gerald Flaherty wrote: I've seen neither a macro nor micro view of a cross-section of a chondrule so I can't speak to the issue of concentric layering. Follow this link: http://images.google.com/images?q=chondrule%20thin%20sectionsnum=100hl=enlr=; c2coff=1safe=offsa=Ntab=wi __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] odds and ends,2-14-2005
Dave, Does Heidi have any idea how Steve really feels about BH ? Him being so HOT and all. Maybe she can tell(vibes and all) when Steve visits every year at Tucson, and she probably has the confidence that she can keep them apart...or, maybe it should be beware big guy, a woman scorn can be big TROUBLE. From one not so hot dude, JD -- Original message from DNAndrews [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Good afternoon list.I see I created a bob haag firestorm.Well what do you expect?BH is one hot dude! That's exactly what Heidi said! ;-) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ad - thin sections for sale
Hello all, I have some covered thin sections for sale from Jeff Rowell. NWA 1054 (ACAP) $70 don't see many sections of these NWA 1930 (LL3) $40 (2 of these) very nice for chondrules NWA 1648 (DIO) $60 an unusual Diogenite...very nice TATAHOUINE (DIO)$55 strangebig crystals SPADE (H6 ANNEALED) $45 totally melted into small bits...looks like a primitive achondrite Add $4 for shipping. paypal to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let me know if you are interested. Thanx, John __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sodium Hydroxide Rust Treatment
http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2005-January/149285.html JD -- Original message from JKGwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hello List, Within the past month or so, someone posted that they had successfully treated a large iron with the NAOH/alcohol treatment and low voltage electricity. I've searched through past e-mails and the archives and can't find the post. If anyone knows who it was, or if it was you, please let me know. Thanks in Advance. John Gwilliam __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Art of Meteorite Collecting
Mine came too and I have similar impressions after a quick review. I can't wait to read it. JD (24) -- Original message from Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hello Everyone, Just got home and there was my copy of Kevin Kichinka's The Art of Meteorite Colllecting, in the mailbox. Going out for some Hot Wings at Ruby Tuesdays but from a glance, very nice job. On page 50 is a picture of David New - finally I can attach a name to face! On page 188 is a picture of the Claxton mailbox. Very nice! Wish I had a piece of Claxton. And on page 18 I see a picture of Bernd Pauli and his wife, Pauline. That alone is worth the price of the book! Congratulations, Kevin. Meteorite collectors take note, If you don't already have this book buy it. BTW, my book is number 12 -Walter - __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Looking for a BIG-ger beaker
Keen observation there Jerry. The cash only in hand reinforces your point. Nice picture of the group that was there that night Dave. Thanx for sharing. JD -- Original message from Jerry A. Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hola yourself, Dave, I was pretty certain that Chicago Steve was in Tucson this year, but this is the first photographic evidence that I've seen. http://myweb.cableone.net/dandrews/beaker.html Thanks for passing that along. Jerry DNAndrews wrote: Hola Dos Juans, I also haven't seen much input to your query, but if you look closely at the image URL below, you will notice there was a VERY LARGE beaker at the Meteorite Mayhem Birthday Bash. I don't know who it belonged to, but perhaps someone that was there can enlighten us. http://myweb.cableone.net/dandrews/beaker.html I hope this helps in your search for a large beaker. Best, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Looking for a BIG-ger beaker
John, I didn't see any response to your question about locating a big beaker...one that is 6 to 8 liters. I too have seen the large size beaker you are asking about at a Tucson show, but I could not recall who it was. I did a number of Internet searches and could not come up with that size beaker. The biggest I found was 4 liters, but I did find a site that had a 6 liter flask. But that might not be want you want. See below. http://www.bch.msu.edu/facilities/bmbstores/beakrs-bottles.htm On the other hand, I became confused during these searches as to what I was looking for because when I searched for large Beakers (with CAPS) I came up with a different sort of BIG beaker. Maybe this is what you wanted but I struggled with the english and metric scales between the two. http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/product/231840.asp Good luck and let us know if you've gotten the help you were looking for. John -- Original message from JKGwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hello List, While at the Tucson Show, I bought several large, unetched Campo slices to experiment with. My plan is to treat them in a Schoner Bath, etch them, and see how they hold up. In the past, I've used plastic tubs for these projects, but this time I want to heat the solution so I need some large Pyrex beakers. Can anyone tell me where I might find a really large beaker? Someone told me they saw a huge beaker (6-8 liters) down in Tucson, but I can't remember who it was. The largest one my local chemical store stocks is 4 liters - I'm looking for one that is twice that size. John Gwilliam __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday
Jim, That looks just like a 20 g individual I have, only bigger. :) John PS Thanx for sharing such a beauty with us. -- Original message from Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- 1.4 KG Allende purchased from a private collector at the Tucson show Saturday Feb 6, 2005 http://209.238.151.128/allende.htm Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:35 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Happy Birthday, Allende, ... and a very special Happiest of Birthdays to my second grandson, Elias, who turned two today. Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Some Tucson Tidbits
Now, that Diogenite is one for satisfying the taste for champagne. Way to go Stan ! Anybody got any NWA869 LITE for sale? The taste for beer is good too...ya know. John -- Original message from stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Michel Franco has some very nice items he found in the Sahara, the 6.7 kg diogenite was to die for, but was sold before I could get my act together. neener neener neener :p i snuggled up to that rock the first night after buying it ;) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Party Tonight!
Now I really miss being there to see that my good buddy Geoff and his partner in crime, Steve, who are about to have another bash for the meteorite masses to enjoy. This night is worth the trip in itself. Last year was my first and the memories still linger. The announcements of a new Chassignite and a new Lunar have been quite a jolt I'm sure to the show attendees. Hopefully tonight will bring everyone together and things will go well from here to the end. Way to go Geoff and Steve. These were my impressions of the folks I met ...I sent this message after I got home from last year's show. http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2004-February/138094.html John -- Original message from Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Party Reminder! *** TONIGHT ONLY *** Geoff Notkin and Steve Arnold IMB cordially invite you to attend: *** THE SIXTH ANNUAL METEOR MAYHEM BIRTHDAY BASH HARVEY AWARDS CEREMONY *** Friday, February 4, 2005 Socializing begins at 8 pm Harvey Awards Presentation at 9 pm At Tucson's fashionable Copper Club Inside The Arizona Plaza Hotel (Formerly the Vagabond Inn) 1601 North Oracle, at Drachman Tucson, Arizona Full cash bar Lots of free parking Cowpokes, pranksters, meteorite hunters and other disreputable types will abound : ) All are welcome! Geoff Notkin Steve Arnold IMB Photos from previous parties: http://www.paleozoic.org/shows/tucson-2003/pages/geoff-steve.htm http://www.paleozoic.org/shows/tucson-2003/pages/david.htm http://www.paleozoic.org/shows/tucson-2003/pages/darryl-bob.htm http://www.paleozoic.org/tucson/events/e-8.htm http://www.paleozoic.org/tucson/events/e-11.htm http://www.paleozoic.org/tucson/events/e-6.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sale Ad - New Meteorite
Bob, Cool looking chondrite. I was curious what your thoughts were on why this meteorite might be a carbonaceous type..(CK ?). It looks like a very nice L3.8 to 4 with a dark gray matix...that could be from shock. But that is just a casual guess. Are you getting is classified? Good luck with sale. John -- Original message from Bob Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hello List, I have a new meteorite that I received in shipment from Morocco last week. It is a beautiful meteorite with a total known weight of 87 Grams before cutting. It is loaded with chondrules, possibly carbonaceous. I have full slices available for sale here: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/spacerox2001/album?.dir=/abf4 Please email to reserve !! Please include $2.00 for shipping worldwide. All Payments must go to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Bob Evans __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ¿ ventifacted ?
Nick and others, Challenging folks to provide further proof of extraordinary claims is a worth while effort. I applaud your comments. I've seen the evidence of significant ridge edge erosion of granite here in PA, and it is amazing to see the gouging affects of wind and rain. The edges I've seen on this granite were more rounded than the sharp edged holes in the so-called iron meteorite on Mars. My first reaction to Jeff's picture the other day was that the swiss cheese look of that rock sure looked similar to an iron meteorite on Earth. I probably still feel that way from just a visual point of view. But then again my brain starts to wonder how did those hole/gouge-like features on that rock get there? 1. Normally we think of silicate burnout from irons during entry, or silicate fallout during erosion/weathering...but, did either of these things happen on Mars way back when? 2. Was there enough atmosphere on Mars during it's fall to cause significant ablation? 3. Can the energy of asteroidal collisions in space (or the collison w/Mars) cause the silicates to fallout...creating wholes, or reshape the iron to look like this, if ablation did not happen on Mars? 4. If it is erosion from wind, sand, etcthen I agree with Nick that significant proof is required to prove it isn't just another plain-old Mars rock (boy, is that an odd thing to say). John -- Original message from Nicholas Gessler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hi, Yes, wind faceted (wind and sand ablation) seems to be the key feature of relevance. If you look at photos of the alleged meteorite found on Mars, it contains quite a few facets. And the ridges between the facets are very sharp. I have seen hard quartzite and flint-like rocks on deserts with the same sharply delineated features. The ventifacted chondrites, on the other hand, do not show these facets or sharp delineations. Neither does the banded iron example or the other iron meteorite from Antarctica. As far as I know, these sharply delineated facets occur with wind and sand from a constant direction over a long period of time. And the material has to be hard and homogeneous. Consequently I wonder what a terrestrial iron meteorite would look like subjected to the same conditions? I have a new NWA iron that is otherwise round and smooth but clearly shows those lines but no facets. I'm sure it was attacked by water and by wind and sand, but how much by each I just don't know. I suppose even a solid hunk of non-meteoric iron subjected to the same conditions would answer the question. Unless the rock found on Mars is an ataxite, I would also expect that any attack (whether by acid or wind and sand) would reveal some evidence of Widmanstatten lines. I don't see any evidence of that in the Martian photograph. So as much as I think it's a keen idea to find a meteorite on Mars, I'm not convinced. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. So my questions are: a) Why does the Martian rock show faceting? Does that support or detract from the claim that it is an iron meteorite? b) Exactly what analysis was done on Mars? I have only seen the most general reports for PR purposes. Can anyone point me to a more definitive report? Do we have access to the thermal heating and dissipation data, for instance? And what else? Cheers, Nick __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Rover Discovers A Potential Meteorite
Thanx Jeff for the comparison. If your first pic is the fragment on Mars...then it sure looks like a piece of an iron asteroid to me. John -- Original message from Jeff Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- I don't know if this thing is a real meteorite, but check out these two images. I think they are about the same size, both found in cold deserts. Heat Shield Rock, Mars: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/p/346/1P158910593EFF40DPP2593L7M1.J PG Derrick Peak Iron, Antarctica: http://www.racine.ra.it/planet/testi/Foto/dpeak.htm Incredibly similar. Jeff At 04:24 PM 1/14/2005, Ron Baalke wrote: http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6883 Mars rover discovers a potential meteorite Kelly Young New Scientist January 14, 2005 NASA's rover Opportunity has spotted an unusual rock on Mars that may be a meteorite. The rover first glimpsed the rock two weeks ago as it approached the remains of its heat shield, which plummeted to Mars during the rover's descent through the atmosphere in January 2004. The object, about the size of a potato, caught the eyes of ground controllers because of its unusual pitted surface. We've been seeing little rocks on the plain since the start of the mission, says Steven Squyres at Cornell University, the Mars rovers' chief scientist. We all just kind of assumed they're little pieces of Martian basalt. But Opportunity's infrared spectrometer, called Mini-TES, saw that this object did not radiate thermal energy at the frequencies expected of typical Martian rocks, leading scientists to hypothesise that the object might in fact be a meteorite rich in metal. Opportunity has stayed next to the object and will continue making measurements over the weekend to confirm whether this is indeed a meteorite. Squyres says they should have the results by Monday or Tuesday. It could be any number of things if somehow we got faked out by the Mini-TES data, Squyres cautions. Unexpected circumstances Meteorites are objects that survive the - sometimes fiery - fall to a planet's surface from space. Only about 2% of the meteorites that land on Earth are made of nickel and iron. The rest are made of rock. Squyres says that the rover's rock abrasion tool, which is used to grind away the surface of rocks, had never been tested against a metal like nickel. I didn't see this coming, he told New Scientist. Opportunity will celebrate its first birthday on the Martian surface on 25 January. So far, it has trekked over 2000 metres around Meridiani Planum and recently weathered its first dust storm. Opportunity's twin rover, Spirit, has been roaming around the other side of the planet on an area called Husband Hill, but it has had trouble getting around because its wheels have been slipping on the sandy, sloped surface. Ground controllers have also been monitoring a fist-sized rock which has become stuck in the wall of Spirit's wheel. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Non NWA Lunar Update
Adam, Thanx for the update. The NEA 001 is a very nice lunar. I have a nice thin 0.59 g slice from you that has a bit of light colored crust(I think) or caliche ?, and a noticeable blob of FE/Ni metal in it. This piece a real favorite. Happy Holidays...time to play Santa. HO HO HO John -- Original message from Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Dear List, A lot of List members have been inquiring about the status of the Non-NWA lunar that we have made available for the last two years. Finally an abstract has been submitted, a name was recommended and then requested. I should have an update as early as this afternoon. The new name that was requested and not yet approved is NEA 001. From what I understand this name will more than likely be approved marking an event in the history of the management of meteorites from Northeast Africa. The coordinates are known for this Lunaite but will not be disclosed at this time however the country of origin will be released this afternoon. Its final classification will be very similar to Calcalong Creek including a slight Mare component. Thanks to all who have been patient in regards to this new Lunaite and congratulations to those who own some of it. Happy Holidays, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD-New Not-so-Ordinary, Ordinary Chondrite and Merry Christmas
Cool stuff Greg. The individual of NWA 2696 would be obscure in a big pile of NWA 869's. A nice reminder to bring your magnets to Tucson...and be sure to go through the piles. :) I was hoping to make it to Tucson again this year, but it looks doubtful. I may have to be there in spirit with my mental magnet. Enjoy it, to those who go . Happy Holidays...pass the ...fill in the blank to your liking one and all. John PS OK, here are some suggestions. peace good will good news nice favor free meteorite bottle jug peace pipe dinner gas kidney stone ..I better stop here. JD -- Original message from Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Dear list members, I have just listed approximately 30 eBay auctions under my naturesvault seller name, many starting at just 99 cents. In particular is NWA 2395, the Not-so-Ordinary, Ordinary Chondrite. It is a newly classified LL4 with cool Pyroxene-Rich Xenoliths, one of which took up about a third of the single stone. For a Christmas special, I have listed five specimens starting at just 99 cents and will let you decide the value. Here is a direct link to a 13.1 gram complete slice: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6500891172ssPageName=ST RK:MESE:IT Here is another new offering, NWA 2696, an uncut Howardite, one of many complete stones purchased during my last Morocco trip. I am also starting this out at just 99 cents and it easily has a value of $2,000.00 but I am willing to let you decide. It is a 49 gram complete individual at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6500892055ssPageName=ST RK:MESE:IT Look here for a neat Sikhote Alin individual weighing 19.9 grams with a Natural Hole, also starting at just 99 cents. Click here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6500890722ssPageName=ST RK:MESE:IT There are other great deals to be had so if you are interested, check out items offered by seller, naturesvault. That, or click on one of the above links and then click on View Seller's Other Auctions. Even if you are not interested in bidding, these are worth a look! Best regards and Happy Holidays to all, Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection naturesvault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA 2185 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Tucson Show, Party, Harvey Awards, Venue, etc.
Dear Geoff, There are many of us in need of your local-giving personal touch (free of course) for getting our Tucson itineraries together for each day of our trip this winter. Personally, I need a really a cheap flight, a nice rent-a-car and a place to stay for 4 nights(cheap of course), 3-squares a day, a place to hang out every night, some cash (if you have any extra), hand picked awesome meteorites purchased earlier in the week(I'm good for the ones I like and are not too costly), no rain and in the 70's each day, and anything else you can think of that I might deserve. Call me at home when it is all straightened out. Oh...thanks in advance of course. Still your friend, John PS 50-50 I'll actually make it back again this year...but you know I'm worth the gamble. -- Original message from Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Yes - this is what I meant is there space in the room of the AAPS buffet where the meteorite folks could congregate for a meal. Dear Michael: I expect that would work. George Winters at AAPS who is organizing the event said they were prepared to serve about 150 people. The Mineral and Fossil Co-op is a big space, so there should be plenty of room. Here is all the info: http://www.aaps.net/meetings.htm You can buy dinner tix during the week from the AAPS booth at the InnSuites. If you and some of the guys want to organize to go together and sit together, I'm sure you can manage it with no problem, but I'm going to be too busy with the party and awards to coordinate that, so it's up to you. However, I am planning on going to the AAPS event before the party, myself. Their dinner and auction is a lot of fun, and for worthy causes too (paleontology scholarships, etc.) and then go to the area (still not to clear to me) where the awards will be at say 9PM?? Exactly. The Co-op is at 1635 North Oracle, and literally right next door to the hotel where we're thinking of holding the party. You must have gone to Blaine Reed's room during your many visits to the gem show? Well, it's that same hotel (now called the Arizona Plaza, 1601 North Oracle) where we're hoping to have the party and awards -- either in their lounge bar or their ballroom. Same place where Black Hills Institute, Bill Mason, and many others have set up in the past. I am currently discussing options with the hotel manager. It's a very good idea to have Jim and Paul to post all the info on The Meteorite Exchange Tucson Show page when we get it sorted out. I'll post the info to them and to the List when everything is finalized, but I think we've probably covered this in enough detail for now : ) Thank you all for your input. See you in a few weeks. Geoff N. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] harrison jackschmidt
Walter, That picture of the big blue Earth from the Apollo 8's Moon orbit is the image I recall as a kid when I think of the Apollo missions...as it was also the first day I ever saw a colored TV for any length of time. My Dad had the new TV delivered that day so we could have it for Christmas, and of course to see the view from the Moon to happen on network TV that evening with another Walter...as in Chronkite. Thanx for sharing the photos. John -- Original message from Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hi Tom and List, Oh, that is a shame. Those vintage ones are the best. Here is an Apollo 8 Lovell from my collection (sorry for the bad photo): http://www.branchmeteorites.com/misc/lovell.jpg -Walter - - Original Message - From: Thomas Randall - KB2SMS To: Meteorite list - Post Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] harrison jackschmidt Hi Walter and list, I met and got Lovell's autograph when I was 14, he was grand marshall at an opening of city hall in Poughkeepsie,N.Y. Man was it great! He even broguht a moon rock encases in a half dome thing. Here's the sad part, I ended up putting the autograph in an Apollo pamphlet I got from KSC and gave the extra copies away to someone and the autograph was in one of the copies. I used to send to KSC all the time for Apollo stuff and they'd send back big envelopes full of 8x10's, Apollo literature,etc. I had TONS of the stuff. I didn't wash my hand for weeks! Regards and happy holidays to all. Tom Randall On Fri, 2004-12-17 at 19:50, Walter Branch wrote: Hello Steve and List, Harrison Jack Schmitt was the Lunar Module Pilot for Apollo 17. He was actually the only trained scientist (geologist) to land on the moon and had to learn to fly to become an astronaut. Schmitt bumped Joe Allen, who was the original Apollo 17 LMP, when the scientific community complained that no trained scientest had landed on and studied the moon. Allen later flew the space shuttle. Here is perhaps the most famous picture from the Apollo 17 flight: http://www.branchmeteorites.com/misc/schmitt.jpg Apollo 17 was our last manned flight to the moon and brought back 243 lbs of moon rocks. -Walter __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 4kg/600g meteorite
Any relation to Mohamed H. Yousef here? What do you think guys? Similar, unabated offerings of desert rocks. JD -- Original message from braik bouchaib [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- chi is 4kg600g http://fr.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/braik01/detail?.dir=8ff3.dnm=83cb. jpg.src=ph -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Proud Tom is Back!
Steve said: It is nice to be well known. Proud Tom obviously agrees by hosting a webpage for fans of this well known collector. And be sure to see the end of the story with Uncle Bernd looking so dapper too. Thanx Tom, John -- Original message from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- I just received this - haven't had time to check the site, put have hit copy before someone takes it down: http://www.xmail.net/proudtom/index.html What I have seen so far looks hysterical. Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question about oriented meteorites
Jason, We met last year in Tucson. It was Sunday morning over at the Meteorite Man's room...the day you and your partner loaded that big chondrite into a small car going west. Did Rob ever give that thing up?Anyway... Advice: Enjoy being the Kid...it goes fast. John -- Original message from Jason Utas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hello Rob and All, In Response to this: The object weighing 47.015 kg with a 4.75 specific gravity was fallen... ... it could still be another type of meteorite (meso or pallasite?) Rob [Matson] A mesosiderite or pallasite seems pretty improbable -- if the density of iron is 7.874g/cm^3, then either this meteorite has verrry little iron in it and is a stony or it's made of half iron and half air (or some other nearly weightless substance [yeah right]). The Kid __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Announcing NWA 3128
the xenolith looks like the NWA CV3 material out there. That is a cool feature. John -- Original message from Bernhard Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Isn't it a pity that this extraordinary meteorite has been cut into pieces that have nothing left from the character of this truly amazing stone? I hope you kept at least one slice that shows what made this meteorite so special... On Thursday 02 December 2004 20:59, Adam Hupe wrote: Hello List Members, Check out this pristine xenolith: http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa3128/nwa3128.jpg Last piece left on ebay that describes this strange meteorite: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2290595155 We just wanted to give List members an opportunity to check out this cool meteorite before all is gone. Three of the four listed pieces have already been sold with buy-it-now. Sorry, can't answer too many questions right now because I am preparing for an expedition. I will post a picture of a complete slice when I return and answer any questions. All the best, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Bernhard Rems -- Hub to the Meteorite Sites: http://meteoritecollecting.com Meteorite Auctions: http://metsale.com Meteorite Gallery: http://meteoritegallery.com Meteorite News: http://meteoritenews.com Meteorite Discussions: http://worldofmeteorites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 23dragons23...
...that's just somebody with a lot of money, and not much (meteorite market) sense. If he/she wants it, they'll buy it. JD -- Original message from Bernhard Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- ... just bid 52 dollars on a 1.2g piece of NWA 001. Now someone tell me that meteorites are cheap *g*. -- Best regards, Bernhard Rems -- Hub to the Meteorite Sites: http://meteoritecollecting.com Meteorite Auctions: http://metsale.com Meteorite Gallery: http://meteoritegallery.com Meteorite News: http://meteoritenews.com Meteorite Discussions: http://worldofmeteorites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] bengrir fall
Aziz, Do you guys have a big magnet under your country that allows you to get all these falls? :) Amazing to have several falls in recent years in one small area like this. Wonder why...lack of forest and hills that allows falls to be seen so easy??? Thanks for the update. John -- Original message from aziz habibi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- hello list its official in marrocan news papers now a stone main mass of 10 kilos have made a holl in land some metres. it has been confiscated by morrocan governement and gone for analisis by the morrocan mususem in rabat. hunting in the area is dangerous because the police are looking for any gr. our morrocan team and friends has left the area in perecaution. sincerly aziz _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 787, 869, 900 and 904
Hello all, This thread is not meant to drag this subject on a lot longer. What I did was put together some pieces of each meteorite for comparison in a picture. They look very similar of course. The 904 material as you can see on the left seems to have extra features in the comparison of the other pieces. Go to the webpages noted below. Also I once had thin sections made of all three and to me (as a novice saying it)...904 in the section material, that I had made, looks different than the 787 and 869 material in section. The latter two look very similar in section. When I get a chance I may upload some section pics of the different numbers. Could they still be from the same fall...who knows unless someone gets serious about comparing them? Until then, we can only sit back and throw stones at each other while we enjoy these beauties. comparison first seen on the Meteorite Gallery uplaod page. 904 on left, others on right. http://www.meteoritegallery.com/gallery/uploads then it should be moved to the NWA page. http://www.meteoritegallery.com/gallery/NWA John __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Fans: I'm OK, You're OK
When you think one or more of our list members is a a little bit off or just plain whacky, then think again when one compares such folks to the seller, buyer and believers of this crap. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=5535890757 http://goldenpalaceevents.com/other/grilledmary01.php classified to the hilt or not? original material or not for a given NWA number? terrestrial or extra-terrestrial? poor seller ratings versus good...(who cares)? Compare these daily issues to a question of why does someone have a sandwich that is too old to eat and for sale on ebay? versus someone's imagination of God's divine intervention with a vision of the Virgin Mary, and a $28,000 pay day for it of course. NOW THAT IS REALLY WHACKY AND WAY OFF! Meteorite guys of all types and their range of strangeness are quite boring in comparison. Chin up to those who have been challenged lately, jd PS I hope I didn't offend anyone ...Rosie? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture Of The Day - November 15, 2004
that's a great picture Geoff. they look like two iron raindrops. JD -- Original message from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- ROCKS FROM SPACE PICTURE OF THE DAY: http://www.geocities.com/spacerocksinc/Nov_15.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] www.meteoritegallery.com - asking for your help
thank you for your offerings Bernhard. I will be glad to add some more pics to the M-Gallery. JD -- Original message from Bernhard Rendelius Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hi, as I have announced on the IMCA list, I am restructuring my public meteorite sites including worldofmeteorites.com). None of those is ready for release now, but there is one site you could help me with: http://www.meteoritegallery.com As you know, worldofmeteorites.com had a section for meteorite pictures. This section was very popular, even amongst people just interested in meteorites. I thought it was a great educational source, helping to bring new people to our hobby. So I thought that it would be a good idea to dedicate a complete domain to this effort. This is why I am building meteoritegallery.com. The site isn't public yet (it will be announced before christmas), but I am already looking for contributors. I thought long about a way how to make contributions easy. This is what I came up with: If you want to upload a meteorite pic from your collection, you click this link: http://www.meteoritegallery.com/gallery and register as a user. You will then be able to upload pictures to the upload folder. You will receive a mail with instructions on how to do that and how to describe the meteorite properly. When an upload has happened, the admins of the site receive a mail and will move your picture to the appropriate section of the gallery (if the naming and description is correct). So: Little work on the side of the uploaders :-) It would be nice if we have a number of pictures in the gallery before weg o public, and your help (vulgo your upload) is very much appreciated. If you have questions, please contact me. Best regards, Bernhard Rems __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Express Image: Martian Moon Phobos in Detail
those pics are too cool Ron. Phobos is one strange moon. thanx, John -- Original message from Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- http://www.esa.int/export/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEM21TVJD1E_0.html Martian moon Phobos in detail European Space Agency Mars Express 11 November 2004 These images, taken by the High Resolution Stereo Camera (HRSC) on board ESA's Mars Express spacecraft, are Europe's highest-resolution pictures so far of the Martian moon Phobos. These HRSC images show new detail that will keep planetary scientists busy for years, working to unravel the mysteries of this moon. The images show the Mars-facing side of the moon, taken from a distance of less than 200 kilometres with a resolution of about seven metres per pixel during orbit 756. Images of Phobos as shown here had already been taken at lower resolution in previous orbits (413, 649, 682, 715 and 748). In the coming months, these first pictures will be followed by a series of images taken in subsequent fly-bys. Collection of Phobos images from different orbit passes The Mars Express spacecraft periodically passes near Phobos about one hour before it flies at an altitude of only 270 kilometres above the Martian surface, just above the atmosphere. Within minutes, the orbiting spacecraft turns from its attitude where it points at Mars to train its camera on this little world. The HRSC provided an unprecedented near-simultaneous group of 10 different images of the surface, enabling the moon's shape, topography, colour, regolith light-scattering properties, and rotational and orbital states to be determined. The regolith is the small-grained material covering most non-icy planetary bodies, resulting from multiple impacts on the body's surface. Phobos in 3D These images have surpassed all previous images from other missions in continuous coverage of the illuminated surface, not blurred and at the highest resolution. The US Viking Orbiter obtained a few small areas sampled at an even higher resolution of a few metres per pixel, but these were not so sharp due to the close and fast fly-by. The global groove network is seen in sufficient detail to cover the Mars-facing surface continuously from near the equator up to the north pole with regular spacing between the grooves. It now may be possible to determine whether the grooves existed before the large cratering events, and exist deep within Phobos, or came after the cratering events and were superimposed on them. Much more detail is seen inside the various-sized craters, showing some with marked albedo variations. Some craters have dark materials near the crater floors, some have regolith that slid down the crater walls, and some have very dark ejecta, possibly some of the darkest material in our Solar System. Phobos in black and white, close-up This tiny moon is thought to be in a death spiral, slowly orbiting toward the surface of Mars. Here, Phobos was found to be about five kilometres ahead of its predicted orbital position. This could be an indication of an increased orbital speed associated with its secular acceleration, causing the moon to spiral in toward Mars. Eventually Phobos could be torn apart by Martian gravity and become a short-lived ring around Mars, or even impact on the surface. This orbit will be studied in more detail over the lifetime of the Mars Express. The 3D anaglyph image was generated from a combination of the nadir and the blue channel. The colour image was calculated from the three colour channels and the nadir channel. Due to geometric reasons the scale bar is only valid for the centre of the image. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Pocture Of The Day - November 10, 2004
1800x magnification...is that correct? sounds like an ocean to a pond at my 40x. Cool pic, John -- Original message from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- ROCKS FROM SPACE PICTURE OF THE DAY: http://www.geocities.com/spacerocksinc/Nov_10.html Please send pictures to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, Michael Johnson SPACE ROCKS, INC. 932 Hanging Rock Road Boiling Springs, South Carolina 29316-7401 Tel: (864) 578 5188 SPACE ROCKS, INC.: http://www.geocities.com/spacerocksinc/spacerocksinc.html ROCKS FROM SPACE PICTURE OF THE DAY: http://www.geocities.com/spacerocksinc/Calendar.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FS: Park Forest 172.30g
Brice, That is one heck of a nice meteorite. Keep it...I say. Anyway, I can't afford it. A lot of people will look at that piece and say...that thing looks like it may of came from outer space!. Doo-doo-doo... Strange indeed, John -- Original message from Brice D. Hornback [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Still available... - Original Message - From: Brice D. Hornback To: Cc: Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 9:41 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] FS: Park Forest 172.30g I am considering letting my Park Forest 172.30g half-individual go. My car decided the engine had lasted long enough and now I'm riding a motorcycle to and from work... and it's getting a bit cold. :) You all know the stories about Park Forest. This piece was recovered the day of the fall *BEFORE* it started raining. I was among the first to arrive at the site. This specimen has *never* seen rain or moisture and has been sealed in an air-tight container since the day of the fall. It is as perfect and fresh as the moment it was recovered. It was also the specimen that was seen on Fox News late that evening. Unfortunately, I had to leave that evening to get back to Indianapolis for work the next morning... so I left just as some others were arriving. Mike Farmer had just checked into a hotel about the time I left Park Forest. Here are some pics: http://www.cyberbound.net/Park-Forest-Adventure.jpg http://www.cyberbound.net/Park-Forest-Meteorite_a.jpg http://www.cyberbound.net/Park-Forest-Meteorite_b.jpg I'm not putting a price on this piece. Email me *OFF LIST* with your BEST offer. This is one of the nicest pieces to come out of Park Forest and is absolutely museum quality. I would almost rather sell off my entire collection instead of this piece... and this may be the only time I *ever* even consider parting with it. Also, I will not be listing this on eBay and will only sell it if I get a reasonable offer. Don't think you're going to get this one cheap folks. Take care, Brice D. Hornback __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rumurutite Kakangarite
This meteorite (Nwa 3098) looks a lot like some material I have...NWA 1774. NWA 1774 R3.8 - 6 (not R5) 714 g TKW Found 2002 I have some NWA 1774 and a thin section for sale if anyone is interested. JD -- Original message from Jeff Kuyken [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- G'day Bernd Francesco, Ah yes. What a beauty NWA 3098 is! It is also this month's favourite at my site. There is a pic of the meteorite at the below link. Very interesting meteorite! http://www.meteoritesaustralia.com/favourite.html Cheers, Jeff Kuyken I.M.C.A. #3085 www.meteorites.com.au - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rumurutite Kakangarite Francesco wrote: Why on the classification page the R and K meteorite are Chondrite and just 6 pages after them become Achondrite? Maybe I misunderstood something? Francesco, Rumurutiites and Kakangariites are clearly chondritic. Let's take the LEW 87232 Kakangari-type Antarctic meteorite. The thin section does show chondrules and chondrule fragments. As for the R-chondrites, although the lower types have relatively few chondrules, they do have them. Ouzina (R4) is even said to have abundant barred olivine and porphyritic chondrules. I don't have any Ouzina, so I can't tell. My NWA 3098 slice from Stefan Ralew also shows several chondrules even though it is an R5. Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] MM = M atteo + M ike
that's it, deep breath...get it all out young Berndhopper, get it all out. well put, John -- Original message from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Matteo, Why can't you two guys just leave each other alone? Forget about each other and mind your own business! While I've never had any sympathy for Mike's aggressive verbal attacks against whoever on this list (see Captain Blood's recent, courageous rebuke re: the wording of messages), I also find it utterly despicable to pour oil in the fire while making faces from behind the bush. Your mail was definitely uncalled-for, superfluous and unwanted. Cut it out, it is bothersome, behave like gentlemen, and try to get along in peace. Life is short, too short to waste precious time with unnecessary animosities. Use your imaginative power and look at this Planet Earth from a mountain on the Moon, we're all down there on this little spaceship called Earth, we're all in the same boat and from up there Tucson is less than a stone's throw from Italy and vice versa. Amen ... end of sermon ;-) Cheers, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ebay auction meteorites
main mass my ass... to me the main mass of a particular meteorite fall/find is the biggest piece or meteorite that landed on earth that fateful day (whether it is still buried or not)...and until we can know for sure it has been found or not, a given fall's/find's main mass remains unknown...true main masses in collections are few and far between IMHO. main mass my ass(MMMA)...an over used word in this business. John -- Original message from Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- I will say only one word,DHOFAR.On the main masses,you cannot go wrong.Nothing paired,no losses,only gain.You probably have some pairings on some of the lunars and mars specimens.But with the main masses,you will always win. steve arnold, chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] main mass discussion
Bernhard, No begging required here. I understand everyone's use of the words main mass as the so-called biggest known piece out of a given TKW. But when there is a good chance in many instances for pairings, etc. that are just some of the problems that one goes through when trying to sort out and confirm/validate a given piece is the main mass. I wish we had other words for what is mostly thought as the biggest known piece of a named meteorite!. Main mass might have more to do with a daily routine for some of us collectors...present company included. I don't own a meteorite main mass in my book...especially from the deserts. Again, these are only my lowly opinions. John PS Are all unclassified meteorites their own main mass by definition? Maybe I do have a lot of main masses? -- Original message from Bernhard Rendelius Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- I beg to differ: Main Mass = biggest piece within TKW. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 2:38 PM To: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ebay auction meteorites main mass my ass... to me the main mass of a particular meteorite fall/find is the biggest piece or meteorite that landed on earth that fateful day (whether it is still buried or not)...and until we can know for sure it has been found or not, a given fall's/find's main mass remains unknown...true main masses in collections are few and far between IMHO. main mass my ass(MMMA)...an over used word in this business. John -- Original message from Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! : -- I will say only one word,DHOFAR.On the main masses,you cannot go wrong.Nothing paired,no losses,only gain.You probably have some pairings on some of the lunars and mars specimens.But with the main masses,you will always win. steve arnold, chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] and you thought meteorites were expensive
this is pretty cool for baseball fans http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=43353item=5135174066rd=1 JD __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Nakhla Dogs Lives!
I have always had trouble differentiating the ashes of dogs from cats. Maybe we should change the story to the meteorite killing of a small mammal? Just a thought, JD -- Original message from almitt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hi Geoff and list, Boy you guys get things turned around. The Nakhla Meteorite hit a cat not a dog didn't it ;-) --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Helium Helps Trace the Origin of the Los AngelesMeteorite
It makes mee sound like thsss, as long as I hold my breath while takingg...said the helium inhaling squealing clown of a meteorite scientist. Helium can be fun too ! JD -- Original message from Matt Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- This is interesting. How far back can we use Helium before it completely decays? Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com PO Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA ebay id: mhmeteorites - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke To: Meteorite Mailing List Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 10:51 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Helium Helps Trace the Origin of the Los AngelesMeteorite http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=27007 Helium helps trace the origin of Martian meteorite BY ASHLEY FOX Yale Daily News October 28, 2004 While cleaning out his rock collection in 1999, Los Angeles resident and rock-enthusiast Bob Verish came across two unusual looking stones he had picked up on a hike in the Mojave Desert 20 years earlier. The stones, which Verish named Miguel and Gabriel, were soon recognized by UCLA scientists as remnants of a meteorite from Mars. Four researchers from Yale's Geology and Geophysics Department, led by post-doctoral fellow Kyoungwon Kyle Min, have taken up the quest to uncover the story behind these unlikely space travelers, a story that began around three million years ago. We wanted to know the time-temperature history of meteorites, not just when they were formed, said Peter Reiners, a member of the Yale team and a professor of geology and geophysics. This tells us about their history in space and on other planets. We want to know how often things bump into each other and how hard. In order to draw such conclusions about the Martian meteorite, now referred to as the Los Angeles or LA, the team had to think outside the box -- or, in this case, outside the planet. They identified a method of helium dating which is used on terrestrial rocks and applied it to the meteorite from Mars, Reiners said. The team knew that a meteor had hit Mars prior to the time that the LA was ejected from the red planet, Min said. When this meteor hit Mars, it caused a change in the constitution of the rock on the planet, known as impact-related shock metamorphism. The team was fortunate that the interior of the LA meteorite preserved its original Martian signatures, including those from the original Martian impact, making the LA a virtual time capsule from the impact of the meteorite on Mars, Min said. During the impact, helium atoms, products of spontaneous uranium and thorium decay, would have been completely diffused out of the rock, Reiners said. As a result, the team, which also included Yale researchers Stefan Nicolescu and James Greenwood, was able to determine when the meteorite hit Mars by measuring the uranium, thorium and helium content of the sample. Min said the study was innovative in its use of helium measurements from only single grains of the meteorite. By employing this method, Min and his colleagues discovered that the impact occurred on Mars around three million years ago. They were also able to conclude that the maximum temperature of impact was between 450 and 500 degrees Celsius, Reiners said. The helium age was then compared to the LA's exposure age, the amount of time that the sample has been exposed to cosmic rays. Since the LA was underground until its ejection from Mars, the exposure age equals the amount of time since it left Mars, Min said. The exposure age was also found to be about three million years. He said a main conclusion of the study was the similarity of the helium and exposure ages. Thus, we showed that the impact that launched it [the LA] off the planet also heated it up to pretty high temperatures, Reiners said. According to the study, this new method of meteorite analysis allows scientists to better understand the time and temperature impact processes. The method has a variety of applications to terrestrial and extraterrestrial materials, higher thermal sensitivity than other techniques and an accessible age range that spans from the birth of the solar system to the beginning of modern human history, according to the study. Although Min's technique cannot directly answer the question of extraterrestrial life, it could aid scientists in this search. It could tell us about how material that could potentially contain traces of life from Mars could or could not be transported to earth, Reiners said. By accurately determining the temperature, pressure and time of shock metamorphism, scientists can gauge the probability of finding evidence of life in meteorites, Min said.
Re: [meteorite-list] FWD: **AD** Campo Sales Sale!!!
Butch, Your site is really cool and I'm glad to see the finds in situ like that. They look more square than the meteorites I'm used to. Oh well. The individuals are not 100% crusted as claimed by others for the Campo Sales material. Yet, I hear they too are not 100% crusted either. Interesting. No worry...your prices are right in line with the others selling this new find. Actually a penny ($0.01) or two lower in some cases. Great deals for all of us. Good luck with the Sales, John -- Original message from Notkin : -- Dear Listees: Butch asked me to send this to the List, as he's having trouble posting. I hope it's of interest to some. Thanks, Geoff N. Tucson, AZ * Hi Listee's Yeah with all this talk about Campo Sales meteorites please check out my webstie as I have some awsome campo's for sale at great prices.Also pic's from our expedtion when we found them.Email meif you have any questions. Rock on!!! http://www.geoserver.netfirms.com/campo-sales/meterites.htm Thanks,Butch IMCA number whatever __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ROCKS FROM SPACE PICTURE OF THE DAY - OCTOBER 16, 2004
Hello, First off, thanx to Michael for providing the venue for sharing pictures of our finds and acquisitions. With that said, I'm also in need of giving credit for today's picture of the 39 gram slice of NWA 1955 to Matt Morgan. When I sent the picture in I really thought it was one my pictures. I have taken photos of most of my pieces, but after seeing the picture today in the all black surroundings it occurred to me that this was the picture that had me sold when Matt was offering this material for sale. Yesterday's photo of the chondrite breccia was my own. My apologies to Michael and Matt for not asking Matt for his permission for its use. The slice is now mine though. :) As a gesture of sincerity, I have provided the link for anyone else who might want a piece of NWA 1955 from Matt. http://www.mhmeteorites.com/meteorites_for_sale.htm John -- Original message from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- ROCKS FROM SPACE PICTURE OF THE DAY: http://www.geocities.com/spacerocksinc/Oct_16.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1839 reclassification
David, Nelson and others: NWA 1839 paired with NWA 3133.wind blowing, tumble weeds rolling, dust in the air, etc. There seems to be a ghost town of a response to this announcement. As David implied to me in another email...this news has a double edge to it. Nelson's 1839 material is probably paired to the new and exciting NWA 3133 ungrouped achondrite, but in turn it is not the extremely rare L7 that it was first thought to be. One hole is filled and another reopens for us type collectors. The quest continues for David and others like myself, John -- Original message from David Weir : -- Hello list, I received this from Nelson to post since his computer is not cooperating. He also mentioned that it is possibly paired with NWA 3133. David - Northwest Africa 1839 Morocco Found 2003 Primitive achondrite (ungrouped) A 121.8 g, partially crusted stone was purchased in Rissani, Morocco in June 2003. Description and classification (T. Bunch and J. Wittke, NAU): polygonal, equigranular (0.75 mm grain size); no relict chondrules; prominent twinning in plagioclase. Mineral modes: orthopyroxene, 37 vol. %; olivine, 35 vol. %; plagioclase, 12 vol. %; Ca-rich pyroxene, 6 vol. %; troilite, 4.5 vol. %; metal (taenite only), 3.5 vol. %; chromite, 2 vol. %. Very homogeneous; silicate compositional range is within the analytical precision of ± 0.2 mol %. Orthopyroxene, Fs18.9Wo2.3, FeO/MnO = 41; olivine, Fa22.0, FeO/MnO = 63; plagioclase, An53.4Or2.2; clinopyroxene, Fs7.2Wo47; taenite, Ni = 16.7 wt. %; chromite, Cr/(Cr+Al) = 73. Oxygen isotope (D. Rumble, CIW) replicate analyses of acid-washed, bulk sample by laser fluorination gave d18O = 0.51 and - 0.73, d??O = -3.54 and - 4.57; D17O = - 4.18 and - 3.81 that plot near the CCAM line and within the region of CV compositions. Shock level, S1; weathering grade is W2. Specimens: 20.1 g, NAU; main mass, Oakes. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Introducing NWA 3133, A Fantastic New Meteorite
Here is the information about NWA 1839 on Nelson's site. http://www.meteorites-r-us.com/subcategory.cfm?subcat_id=773 The questions still remains, I wonder how the NWA 3133 data compares to it? I wonder what the O-isotope readings would be NWA 1839? John -- Original message from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hello all, Adam wrote: NWA 3133 was first thought to be either a brachinite or a recrystallized chondrite prompting the two laboratories, Northern Arizona University and the University of Washington, to seek oxygen isotope testing, a way to determine its final classification. Stan wrote about a possible pairing to NWA 1839. After all this I was curious enough to take a look at NWA 1839...both a small slice I have of it, and the slices available on the net at http://www.polandmet.com/_nwa1839.htm I know the first rule of comparing meteorites...that is, not to compare by looks alone...but it sure looks to me like NWA 1839 has the appearance of the auction pieces of NWA 3133. NWA 1839 was classified by NAU as a L7 recrystalized chondrite ...and at first glance it looks like a dark achondrite(ie.brachinite). I'll be curious to see how this turns out, and if indeed they are the same. Question...since we know the mineral composition percentages of NWA 1839, would it be asking too much to publish the same findings for NWA 3133...for comparison, or will only the oxygen isotope values really be the litmus test for pairing these two, and/or other stones that come along. Does NAU have an opinion yet? Are they looking into it(NWA 1839) again? Were isotopes previously measured for NWA 1839 ? Since I/we have pieces of NWA 1839 out there...I/we would really like to know. As usual...curious, John -- Original message from Adam Hupe : -- Hi Stan and List, This is not a basaltic achondrite and plots clear out in the CV range not the CR range like NWA 011. It is nothing like NWA 011 as you announced your specimen closely matched the other night. This shows the importance of having scientific documentation to back up every piece you offer. Oxygen isotopes have been plotted for every specimen of NWA 3133 we plan on selling so you can be absolutely sure we are offering the real McCoy. This is nothing like what you announced the other night. NWA 1839 you mention is listed as an L7 and weighs 127 grams so I do not have any idea what you are talking about. Is your piece paired to an L7, NWA 011 or our Piece? How can one specimen change identities three times. My suggestion is to have your specimen analyzed by proper laboratories, get an NWA number and have the NomCom approve it. This is why proper channels are so important. If your piece is paired with NWA 011 I would still be interested in acquiring a sizable specimen. Kind Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: stan . To: ; Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 6:27 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Introducing NWA 3133, A Fantastic New Meteorite Am I jaded or what? I'm ignoring two new pieces of Mars and getting so worked up over pieces of a probably long-destroyed planetary body that may never be found in space. But I can guarantee the deepest interest in an isotope map of its extreme range of heterogeneity and, maybe a new advance in understanding the inner workings of small planets! Adam, This is the same stuff that I had offered the list this weekend - i dont know why i was told it ploted on the CR line instead of CV - maybe it's just my damn bad memory as i was informed on the telephone... mine is reclassified nwa1839 - so we WERE tlaking about the same stuff. Guess i'm not going to have anything to trade that slice of pena blanca springs out of you - unless maybe you would be interested in a slice of polymict ureilite about as big as a dollar bill - just out of curiosity - how much would you want for it on a straight cash deal? _ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Introducing NWA 3133, A Fantastic New Meteorite
Adam, Stan and others: This material definetly seems to be on course to being something very special. The posed questions about the CV3 relationship is intrigeuing to think about. Especially the comment about this being CV7 material when we don't have anything higher than say CV3.5 on record. Maybe the parent for CV3 material never did differentiate, while another CV body did...giving us these two variations? If the CV3 material was a surface regolith on a differentiated body, then you/I would think we would have CV4's, 5 or 6 on record with all the material found in Antarctica and the deserts to date. I know next to nothing about this stuff, so I can only imagine how I'd be feeling if it were my work to study such things. Good luck to Stan and others who may end up with material that maybe paired to NWA 3133. Either with a new number, or an inference/add on to the TKW for NWA 3133 that goes along with a legitimate analysis. I'm sure we'll be hearing/learning about this material for some time to come. John -- Original message from Adam Hupe : -- Dear List, I would like to take this opportunity to announce NWA 3133, a one-of-a-kind Anomalous Primitive Achondrite found this year in the Sahara desert. Some may ask: OK, another Primitive Achondrite -- What is the big deal? First of all, primitive achondrites are more rare than planetary meteorites and anomalous specimens are among the rarest. Let me tell you the history of this material first and then try to explain its importance. NWA 3133 was first thought to be either a brachinite or a recrystallized chondrite prompting the two laboratories, Northern Arizona University and the University of Washington, to seek oxygen isotope testing, a way to determine its final classification. A specimen was submitted to the University of Western Ontario for this very purpose. The results were received in June and they plotted so far away from any known achondrite that one scientist had to ask, How is this possible? The results were so outrageous and potentially significant that it was decided to send out a second specimen for confirmation. The second specimen was sent blind to the Geophysical Laboratory in Washington D.C. for analysis. The results confirmed the important findings at the University of Western Ontario: NWA 3133 oxygen isotopes plot way further away from the Earth-Moon line than any known achondrite including NWA 011. Link to oxygen Isotope chart: http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa3133/nwa3133.jpg The oxygen isotope data for NWA 3133 plot directly on the mixing line for CV3 chondrites including the most studied meteorite in the world, Allende. A lot is known about CV type chondrites and equally substantial, a lot is not known. Scientists have been deliberating for a long time about carbonaceous chondrites and their parent bodies. This meteorite can serve to answer century-old questions like: Are CV chondrites really a regolith from a broken small planet-sized parent body? Was the original CV parent body differentiated with a metal core surrounded by a silicate-rich mantle and a chondrule-rich regolith? This specimen could give researchers the opportunity to study the inner workings of a failed small planet and is already causing a commotion among world-renowned scientists even before it has been formally announced. Here are a few comments made by scientists in regards to NWA 3133: Am I jaded or what? I'm ignoring two new pieces of Mars and getting so worked up over pieces of a probably long-destroyed planetary body that may never be found in space. But I can guarantee the deepest interest in an isotope map of its extreme range of heterogeneity and, maybe a new advance in understanding the inner workings of small planets! This could be a very significant study and combined with your plans for additional isotope work, would probably result in a classic! Thanks for the opportunity to work on these amazing rocks!!! NWA 3133 could be regarded as the first known CV7 Chondrite, and may have been formed by metamorphic recrystallization (or perhaps by igneous processes) in the CV parent body. The scientific importance of this new meteorite cannot be overstated. More than 60 grams have already been provided as type specimens to two different institutions, at this point tripling the NomCom required amount. Three different stones totaling 2,373 grams belong to the NWA 3133 designation. All three of these specimens will be confirmed with oxygen isotopes before release, rightfully insuring their pedigree. This is a very important step needed to insure the provenance because there are other meteorites like brachinites and other primitive achondrites that could visually be mistaken for the real thing. If you see a specimen that does not come with an ID card identifying it as coming from The Hupe
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Berthoud hunt
Mike, Thanx for sharing your day and good luck with future searches for more of this beauty. John -- Original message from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hi All Photos of the hunt http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/meteorfinder/album?.dir=/c72b Just wanted to fill everybody in on how today's hunt went. The obvious first question to answer is did we find any and the answer is not really. We did find a couple of fragments of in the pit which of course were turned over to the land owners. Several of us including COMETS members Fred Hall, Fred Olsen, Larry Sloan and myself met Jack Murphy and several of his volunteers from the Museum. When we first arrived we were happy to see Scott Palo an assistant Professor in the Dept. of Aerospace Engineering Sciences who is heading up the investigation there as well. Also in attendance were the Land Owners John, Megan and their son Casper Witesis. But of course the most exciting moment is when Scott showed us the guest of honor. We set up a little viewing area on the picnic table outside their rustic 1910 built house. What a truly gorgeous place to view the meteorite, with the Rocky Mtns in the background and a truly exceptional fall day in Colorado. Immediately as Scott removed the meteorite I was glad I had my sunglasses on. The fusion crust is incredibly shiny. One is struck by its size as compared to its weight. Looks like it should be 1.5 kg not just 960 grams. I second thought was it looks just like a Millbillillie or Camel Donga with tan colored clay instead of the Australian Red clay. While the mass is somewhat irregular in shape there are obvious flow line easily visible from a distance. It also has a large piece about the size of half an apple with some of the lightest secondary fusion crust I have ever seen. Under a hand lens one can see that only the highest points of the fractured surface were melted. Along this surface a roll over lip was created. This obviously happened later in flight. Most perplexing to me is the smaller golf ball diameter chip off the secondary fusion crusted area. This shows no signs of fusion crust but does reveal the interior. The interior is a light to white colored matrix filled with a clearer crystalline material. One disappointment is the piece is filled with numerous cracks. If this piece had hit harder surface it would have fractured into several pieces. The surface it did hit was quite hard being a horse corral. Megan actually the saw meteorite in flight at about 25 feet before it hit from a distance of 100 feet. She saw what she described as the ground move in the middle of the horse pen. All three of the family members were outside at the time but John and Casper only heard the sound. They went over to find the meteorite which took about 25 minutes to find and dig out. All that was exposed was a small piece that I would guess was 25-30 grams. The rest was completely buried. John looked over at his wife and said it was not a meteorite. She quickly asked him if he saw any other rock that looked like that. He'll probably never live that one down. After trying to dig the piece out with their hands they discovered it would not budge. Both John and Casper ran to get something to dig it out. Casper quickly found a claw hammer. You might all be cringing right now but John was going to get the shovel. This of course would have completely destroyed the crater. In fact the lower half of the crater was completely in tact to the point that the piece could be easily placed back in the hole with the correct orientation. Probably the coolest part of the pit is the bottom as you can see straw imbedded in the bottom. The areas we walked were an adjoining property owned by another land owner. Please note all of the land is privately owned so permission should be obtained before hunting. We were quite fortunate to be joined by both John and Casper at one time or another. In all 12 people joined in the search. One interesting aspect of the hunt is the almost total absence of rocks. So you don't find yourself bending over much to pick up rocks. It is also row after row of corn that has mostly been harvested. So it was quite easy to follow a straight line. Unfortunately later in the day the stubble for the corn stalks creates some wicked shadows. Something else I was struck by was the size of the their property. It is only 1.5 acres while the property around theirs is 300-400 acres and 1000 acres across the street. I guess you sometimes need to be lucky. As we were talking during the hunt we realized that at 1:33 PM it would be a week since it fell. In fact Casper noted that 7 days ago it was still in space. So at the appointed time we stopped to take a photo of our group with the house in the back ground in order to observe it 7 days of life on the planet earth.
Re: [meteorite-list] Scientists Blast Into The Earth's Past in Virginia (Chesapeake Bay Crater)
The story below says the impact was at 76,000 mph or 111,500 feet per second. That sounds too high to me...by a factor of 3 or 4. Any comments out there? John No one knows whether an asteroid or a comet gouged the one-mile-deep, 56-mile-wide crater beneath the Bay. But judging by the damage it caused , the meteorite slammed into the planet at about 76,000 mph. The explosion, equal to 10 trillion tons of TNT, wiped out life for miles around, creating the largest impact crater in the United States and the sixth-largest in the world. -- Original message from Ron Baalke : -- http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=76631ran=167519 Scientists blast into the Earth's past in Virginia David Powars, the scientist who worked tirelessly to begin the project to study the impact crater, gives an impromptu history lesson about the crater to tourists in Cape Charles on the Eastern Shore. David Powars, the scientist who worked tirelessly to begin the project to study the impact crater, gives an impromptu history lesson about the crater to tourists in Cape Charles on the Eastern Shore. PHOTOS BY VICKI CRONIS/THE VIRGINIAN-PILOT. By JOANNE KIMBERLIN The Virginian-Pilot October 11, 2004 EASTERN SHORE - Crickets thrummed in the dark mist. A harvest moon glowed orange in the heavens. The Earth moved. Thirty-five times. It shuddered repeatedly because scientists detonated a 20-mile-long string of underground explosives along Virginia's Eastern Shore last week. The concussions, bouncing back from far below, will help map the most detailed profile yet of an ancient wound in the planet's crust: the 35-million-year-old Chesapeake Bay impact crater. Pushing the button was the easy part; reaching countdown required a diplomatic endeavor worthy of the United Nations . Scores of locals had to open their gates to dozens of scholarly visitors - a remarkable consensus in a community that doesn't cotton much to intrusion . One by one, residents yielded to the common good , and to the long-winded, high-wattage, caffeine-powered zeal of a wiry scientist from the Shenandoah Valley, the man who loves the crater the most . No one knows whether an asteroid or a comet gouged the one-mile-deep, 56-mile-wide crater beneath the Bay. But judging by the damage it caused , the meteorite slammed into the planet at about 76,000 mph. The explosion, equal to 10 trillion tons of TNT, wiped out life for miles around, creating the largest impact crater in the United States and the sixth-largest in the world. Thousand-foot-tall tidal waves likely topped parts of the Blue Ridge Mountains. Concealed by the Bay and filled in the passing eons by rock and sediment, the crater wasn't discovered until the mid-1980s. David Powars was one of the first scientists convinced of its existence - a notion many of his colleagues had scoffed at for years. Now confirmed by a battery of drill samples and other tests, the crater will be investigated deeper than ever next fall, when a $1.5 million core hole punches 7,000 feet into its mysteries. Scientists now suspect the crater is the culprit behind a host of modern-day concerns, from the region's shortage of fresh ground water to its slow sink into the sea. Answers could lie inside layers brought up in the drill tube. A sort of seismic ultrasound, created by last week's blasts, will determine the bull's-eye for the drill bit. To get the best picture, an alphabet soup of some two dozen ologists - experts in rocks, fossils, atmosphere, outer space and more - descended on the Shore a couple of weeks ago. Since then, the team has laid a line of 70-foot-deep shot holes that stretches from the center of the crater, located beneath the town of Cape Charles, to its northeastern rim, near Nassawadox. Some 700 seismographs, tuned to record the results, had to be poked into the soil every 50 yards along the line. All were on private property - often co-owned by a web of relatives. Powars, as the point man of the operation, began knocking on doors in March, spinning his spiel, trying to win access to the land he needed. I'd get one person's OK and then find out I also had to get it from their cousins or their brothers or their in-laws, Powars said. I bet I wound up talking to 150 people. Some of them were scattered across the country. One was in a mental institution. Let's just say that one was interesting. Fortunately for Powars, talking is among the things he does best. When he's excited, as he is about the crater, his words gush in a non stop stream that's almost legendary. We all love David, said Greg Gohn, Powars' boss at the U.S. Geological Survey. But you just have to walk away sometimes. Powars does not take offense. I didn't say a word until I was 10, he said . But I haven't shut up since.
Re: [meteorite-list] Scientists Blast Into The Earth's PastinVirginia (Chesap...
sorry for starting the confusion guys. My recollection was 25,000 feet per second versus 25 miles per second. At least my conversion was OK from miles per hour to feet per second, but I'm the only one discussing feet per second. That figures, next time I'll wait to get home and check a reference. 76,000 mph it is...though it probably looked faster when it came it :) John -- Original message from almitt : -- Hi George, Your absolutely correct. I shot from the hip and converted wrong from metric to English. About 43,000 to 162,000 miles per hour according to Rock's From Space, which is the average quoted earlier. Best! --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 100 meteorite impact craters in Egypt !!! ( from CNRS press relaese)
100 craters???...is that number correct? They must be relatively small to be distinguishable in an area the size of Egypt. Curious, John -- Original message from Michel Franco : -- Dear list, 2 days ago a the french CNRS ( equivalent to the NSF in US ) published a press release about the discovery of 100 impact craters in Egypt. This anoucement was made following the publication in of the 2 first impact craters discovered a year and a half ago. You will find some photos on the CNRS web site. Have a look. it is always nice to see new impact structures and desert expeditions, of course. A new field expedition is programmed for this december, to fulfill the knowledge of these new structures and to try a datation. If you do not see the photos on the site, contact me i 'll send you the 264 kb pdf file. Here is the direct link http://www2.cnrs.fr/presse/communique/559.htm Best regards Michel FRANCO PS: here a rough translation of the text below: From satellite radar images, that allow the visualisation of the first meters of the ground in arid areas, CNRS researchers, working in a joint program with egyptians scientists, have detected several tens of round geological structures, admidst an area of 5000 sq km in the South East Egyptian Desert. A field investigation in Feb 2004 enable the team to verify that most of them ( 13 have been studied) are meteorite impact craters. The diameters varie from 20 m to 1 km. and the depth up to 80 m. It is the largest metorite impact crater strewnfiled identified on Earth, where only 9 others are known.This meteorite impact crater should have been formed by the fragmentation of several large meteorite when entering the Earth atmosphere. - Original Message - From: BECHEREL Sophie To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 4:00 PM Subject: TR : Un champ de météorites de 5000 km2 reçu à l'instant du CNRS. T'es surement au courant bises. SO -Message d'origine- De : Isabelle Tratner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : lundi 4 octobre 2004 15:55 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Un champ de météorites de 5000 km2 Paris le 4 octobre 2004 EXCLUSIF Découverte du plus grand champ de cratères de météorites sur Terre. A partir d'images satellites radar, qui permettent de visualiser le sous-sol des régions arides jusqu'à quelques mètres de profondeur, des chercheurs du CNRS, au sein d'une équipe franco-égyptienne, ont détecté plusieurs dizaines de structures géologiques circulaires regroupées dans une région de 5000 km2 dans le sud-ouest du désert Egyptien. Une mission sur le terrain, réalisée en février 2004, a permis de vérifier que la plupart de ces structures, dont 13 ont été étudiées en détails, sont des cratères d'impacts de météorites. Leur diamètre varie de 20 m à 1 km et leur profondeur peut atteindre 80 m. C'est le plus grand champ de cratères d'impacts de météorites identifié sur Terre, où on en dénombre seulement 9 autres. Ce champ de cratères d'impacts résulte vraisemblablement de la fragmentation de plusieurs météorites de grande taille au moment de leur entrée dans l'atmosphère. (...) L'intégralité du communiqué est en pièce jointe, ainsi qu'un album photos et des documents provenant du Journal du CNRS. Isabelle Tratner, Délégation à l'information scientifique et technique Bureau de presse CNRS Bureau de presse 3 rue Michel Ange 75794 Paris Cedex 16 Tél : 01 44 96 49 88 Fax : 01 44 96 49 93 mel : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Retrouvez nos derniers communiqués : http://www.cnrs.fr/presse ainsi que l'annuaire du CNRS en ligne : http://web.dsi.cnrs.fr/l3c/owa/annuaire.recherche __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
