[meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 16, 2011
Hi Arnaud (and List), The label talk reminded me of a Sikhote Alin Label discussion we had on this List about 10 years ago (how time flies...) As the List archives only go back to 2004, I added two of the Emails below. I think they contain information that may be of interest to you. Not all of the links in there are working, but I reloaded mine. Here are some more photos of labeled S-A's, I collected back then (the photos!). Don't remember the sources. I hope the owners will forgive me posting without asking permission: http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Sikhote02_label.jpg http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Sikhote03_label.jpg http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Sikhote04_label.jpg Best regards, Rob Lenssen PS: For those interested, here are some more recent photos of my best Sikhote Alin: http://www.asteroidchippings.com/collection_links/Sikhote_Alin_473g.html -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Namens The Tricottet Collection Verzonden: woensdag 16 maart 2011 16:22 Aan: Gary F; Michael Johnson CC: MeteoriteList Onderwerp: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 16, 2011 First thank you all for your nice comments. Gary, I thought the same thing but I would not trust their typewriters. You can see for example that they used the letter I instead of the number 1 for that specimen: http://www.thetricottetcollection.com/img/img_met/1-5_SikhoteAlin_SAS.jpg Or maybe the 8 is stretched because of the soft sticker. Moreover, it seems that all early numbers are very large masses. Best regards, Arnaud The Tricottet Collection (Historic Minerals, Fossils Meteorites) www.thetricottetcollection.com Facebook: The Tricottet Collection Twitter: TricottetColl -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: meteorite-list-ad...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-ad...@meteoritecentral.com] Namens geok...@notkin.net Verzonden: zondag 4 november 2001 5:19 Onderwerp: [meteorite-list] Numbering of Meteorites + Krinov Book [long] Dear Dave, Rob, Steve, and List: I'd like to return to the thread from a few days back, when Dave Harris, Rob Lenssen, Steve Schoner and I were discussing labels on some old collection Sikhote-Alins. Collection numbers interest me, so I've done a bit more research over the past few days. Just to recap: Dave and I both recently acquired nice, uncleaned and slightly rusted Sikhotes from Rob Wesel (thanks Rob). They carry a white gauze label, with four-digit typewritten collection numbers. Steve Schoner was quite certain these are Russian National Academy of Sciences numbers, and Rob provided some useful info and photos, and also had a labelling question (I think I have your answer, Rob, see below). However, the actual numbers on our specimens don't match Krinov's numbers, so there was some doubt. First off, Rob, in style the labels do appear to match the photos you supplied here: http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/SA1.jpg and here: http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/SA2.jpg I find it odd that specimens with really low numbers, like the one in Rob's photo 0067, and mine 0112, were evidently not collected during the first expedition to Sikhote-Alin, due to the light coating of rust. You would expect the really low numbers to have been from the earliest expedition (and therefore to be in nearly pristine condition), but I suppose they could have been numbered out of order at a later date -- back in Moscow or St. Petersburg. Or maybe they were just left outside in an old crate somewhere : ) Anyway, I have to agree with Steve S., and I think I've found proof that these are official Russian labels. Earlier this year, I had the good fortune to acquire a signed copy of Krinov's book about Tunguska and Sikhote-Alin. This book used to belong to Dr. Elbert King, and I ended up with it thanks to Steve Arnold of I.M.B. The book is (obviously) in Russian and, as far as I know, has unfortunately never been translated into English. My very basic Russian is not up to the task. The title reads (phonetically) Zhelezny Dozhd, and the cover is a two-color reprint of the famous Sikhote-Alin stamp. On pg. 54 of the book -- published in 1981 -- is a b/w photo of a Sikhote-Alin specimen which appears to carry the same type of label. I know it's a terribly bad quality image, but you should have seen it before I cleaned it up in Photoshop : ) Have a look: http://www.notkin.net/collection-numbers.htm Compare the b/w image to the color pic of my Sikhote-Alin 0112, immediately below on the same page. Steve, if you have time, it would be most interesting to see a photo of one of your Sikhotes with the labels that you know to be from the Russian Academy. Finally, Rob asked if anyone could help him to identify the label on his collection piece here: http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/SikhoteAlin-7a.jpg Rob, please compare your photo to the bottom
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 16, 2011
Thanks for the links to those pictures Rob. They support the possibility of Arnaud's specimen being numbered 0098 (as opposed to 8600) because they are smaller individuals whose serial numbers fall within the range of his piece. gary On Mar 16, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Rob Lenssen wrote: Hi Arnaud (and List), The label talk reminded me of a Sikhote Alin Label discussion we had on this List about 10 years ago (how time flies...) As the List archives only go back to 2004, I added two of the Emails below. I think they contain information that may be of interest to you. Not all of the links in there are working, but I reloaded mine. Here are some more photos of labeled S-A's, I collected back then (the photos!). Don't remember the sources. I hope the owners will forgive me posting without asking permission: http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Sikhote02_label.jpg http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Sikhote03_label.jpg http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Sikhote04_label.jpg Best regards, Rob Lenssen PS: For those interested, here are some more recent photos of my best Sikhote Alin: http://www.asteroidchippings.com/collection_links/Sikhote_Alin_473g.html -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Namens The Tricottet Collection Verzonden: woensdag 16 maart 2011 16:22 Aan: Gary F; Michael Johnson CC: MeteoriteList Onderwerp: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 16, 2011 First thank you all for your nice comments. Gary, I thought the same thing but I would not trust their typewriters. You can see for example that they used the letter I instead of the number 1 for that specimen: http://www.thetricottetcollection.com/img/img_met/1-5_SikhoteAlin_SAS.jpg Or maybe the 8 is stretched because of the soft sticker. Moreover, it seems that all early numbers are very large masses. Best regards, Arnaud The Tricottet Collection (Historic Minerals, Fossils Meteorites) www.thetricottetcollection.com Facebook: The Tricottet Collection Twitter: TricottetColl -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: meteorite-list-ad...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-ad...@meteoritecentral.com] Namens geok...@notkin.net Verzonden: zondag 4 november 2001 5:19 Onderwerp: [meteorite-list] Numbering of Meteorites + Krinov Book [long] Dear Dave, Rob, Steve, and List: I'd like to return to the thread from a few days back, when Dave Harris, Rob Lenssen, Steve Schoner and I were discussing labels on some old collection Sikhote-Alins. Collection numbers interest me, so I've done a bit more research over the past few days. Just to recap: Dave and I both recently acquired nice, uncleaned and slightly rusted Sikhotes from Rob Wesel (thanks Rob). They carry a white gauze label, with four-digit typewritten collection numbers. Steve Schoner was quite certain these are Russian National Academy of Sciences numbers, and Rob provided some useful info and photos, and also had a labelling question (I think I have your answer, Rob, see below). However, the actual numbers on our specimens don't match Krinov's numbers, so there was some doubt. First off, Rob, in style the labels do appear to match the photos you supplied here: http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/SA1.jpg and here: http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/SA2.jpg I find it odd that specimens with really low numbers, like the one in Rob's photo 0067, and mine 0112, were evidently not collected during the first expedition to Sikhote-Alin, due to the light coating of rust. You would expect the really low numbers to have been from the earliest expedition (and therefore to be in nearly pristine condition), but I suppose they could have been numbered out of order at a later date -- back in Moscow or St. Petersburg. Or maybe they were just left outside in an old crate somewhere : ) Anyway, I have to agree with Steve S., and I think I've found proof that these are official Russian labels. Earlier this year, I had the good fortune to acquire a signed copy of Krinov's book about Tunguska and Sikhote-Alin. This book used to belong to Dr. Elbert King, and I ended up with it thanks to Steve Arnold of I.M.B. The book is (obviously) in Russian and, as far as I know, has unfortunately never been translated into English. My very basic Russian is not up to the task. The title reads (phonetically) Zhelezny Dozhd, and the cover is a two-color reprint of the famous Sikhote-Alin stamp. On pg. 54 of the book -- published in 1981 -- is a b/w photo of a Sikhote-Alin specimen which appears to carry the same type of label. I know it's a terribly bad quality image, but you should have seen it before I cleaned it up in Photoshop : ) Have a look: http://www.notkin.net/collection-numbers.htm Compare the b/w image to the color pic of my
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 16, 2011
I already congratulated Arnaud privately: what a wonderful piece of Sikhote! Exactly the same with Rob's irons: simply breathtaking! I have to realize that I came too late in the field of meteorites :-( But: is it really possible to turn a 0 around ^^ Best to all, Matthias B. - Original Message - From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com To: Rob Lenssen rlens...@planet.nl Cc: 'MeteoriteList' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 16,2011 Thanks for the links to those pictures Rob. They support the possibility of Arnaud's specimen being numbered 0098 (as opposed to 8600) because they are smaller individuals whose serial numbers fall within the range of his piece. gary On Mar 16, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Rob Lenssen wrote: Hi Arnaud (and List), The label talk reminded me of a Sikhote Alin Label discussion we had on this List about 10 years ago (how time flies...) As the List archives only go back to 2004, I added two of the Emails below. I think they contain information that may be of interest to you. Not all of the links in there are working, but I reloaded mine. Here are some more photos of labeled S-A's, I collected back then (the photos!). Don't remember the sources. I hope the owners will forgive me posting without asking permission: http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Sikhote02_label.jpg http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Sikhote03_label.jpg http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Sikhote04_label.jpg Best regards, Rob Lenssen PS: For those interested, here are some more recent photos of my best Sikhote Alin: http://www.asteroidchippings.com/collection_links/Sikhote_Alin_473g.html -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Namens The Tricottet Collection Verzonden: woensdag 16 maart 2011 16:22 Aan: Gary F; Michael Johnson CC: MeteoriteList Onderwerp: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 16, 2011 First thank you all for your nice comments. Gary, I thought the same thing but I would not trust their typewriters. You can see for example that they used the letter I instead of the number 1 for that specimen: http://www.thetricottetcollection.com/img/img_met/1-5_SikhoteAlin_SAS.jpg Or maybe the 8 is stretched because of the soft sticker. Moreover, it seems that all early numbers are very large masses. Best regards, Arnaud The Tricottet Collection (Historic Minerals, Fossils Meteorites) www.thetricottetcollection.com Facebook: The Tricottet Collection Twitter: TricottetColl -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: meteorite-list-ad...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-ad...@meteoritecentral.com] Namens geok...@notkin.net Verzonden: zondag 4 november 2001 5:19 Onderwerp: [meteorite-list] Numbering of Meteorites + Krinov Book [long] Dear Dave, Rob, Steve, and List: I'd like to return to the thread from a few days back, when Dave Harris, Rob Lenssen, Steve Schoner and I were discussing labels on some old collection Sikhote-Alins. Collection numbers interest me, so I've done a bit more research over the past few days. Just to recap: Dave and I both recently acquired nice, uncleaned and slightly rusted Sikhotes from Rob Wesel (thanks Rob). They carry a white gauze label, with four-digit typewritten collection numbers. Steve Schoner was quite certain these are Russian National Academy of Sciences numbers, and Rob provided some useful info and photos, and also had a labelling question (I think I have your answer, Rob, see below). However, the actual numbers on our specimens don't match Krinov's numbers, so there was some doubt. First off, Rob, in style the labels do appear to match the photos you supplied here: http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/SA1.jpg and here: http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/SA2.jpg I find it odd that specimens with really low numbers, like the one in Rob's photo 0067, and mine 0112, were evidently not collected during the first expedition to Sikhote-Alin, due to the light coating of rust. You would expect the really low numbers to have been from the earliest expedition (and therefore to be in nearly pristine condition), but I suppose they could have been numbered out of order at a later date -- back in Moscow or St. Petersburg. Or maybe they were just left outside in an old crate somewhere : ) Anyway, I have to agree with Steve S., and I think I've found proof that these are official Russian labels. Earlier this year, I had the good fortune to acquire a signed copy of Krinov's book about Tunguska and Sikhote-Alin. This book used to belong to Dr. Elbert King, and I ended up with it thanks to Steve Arnold of I.M.B. The book is (obviously) in Russian and, as far as I know, has unfortunately never been translated into English. My very basic Russian is not up
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 16, 2011
No, of course not Matthias! It is never too late! And here are two more Sikhote-Alins, in as found condition and straight from the Vernadsky Institute, with labels, cards, and even an official letter. _http://www.impactika.com/2SAlins.jpg_ (http://www.impactika.com/2SAlins.jpg) Do you like those? (Yes, of course, they are for sale, but the small one is already sold). Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _IMPACTIKA@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 3/16/2011 4:03:05 PM Mountain Daylight Time, majbaerm...@web.de writes: I already congratulated Arnaud privately: what a wonderful piece of Sikhote! Exactly the same with Rob's irons: simply breathtaking! I have to realize that I came too late in the field of meteorites :-( But: is it really possible to turn a 0 around ^^ Best to all, Matthias B. - Original Message - From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com To: Rob Lenssen rlens...@planet.nl Cc: 'MeteoriteList' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 16,2011 Thanks for the links to those pictures Rob. They support the possibility of Arnaud's specimen being numbered 0098 (as opposed to 8600) because they are smaller individuals whose serial numbers fall within the range of his piece. gary On Mar 16, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Rob Lenssen wrote: Hi Arnaud (and List), The label talk reminded me of a Sikhote Alin Label discussion we had on this List about 10 years ago (how time flies...) As the List archives only go back to 2004, I added two of the Emails below. I think they contain information that may be of interest to you. Not all of the links in there are working, but I reloaded mine. Here are some more photos of labeled S-A's, I collected back then (the photos!). Don't remember the sources. I hope the owners will forgive me posting without asking permission: http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Sikhote02_label.jpg http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Sikhote03_label.jpg http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Sikhote04_label.jpg Best regards, Rob Lenssen PS: For those interested, here are some more recent photos of my best Sikhote Alin: http://www.asteroidchippings.com/collection_links/Sikhote_Alin_473g.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 16, 2011
Anne...those two are the most AAA+++ of all! Love the color...no stinky TF goop, nor wire-brush. - Original Message - From: impact...@aol.com To: majbaerm...@web.de; fuj...@mac.com; rlens...@planet.nl Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 16,2011 No, of course not Matthias! It is never too late! And here are two more Sikhote-Alins, in as found condition and straight from the Vernadsky Institute, with labels, cards, and even an official letter. _http://www.impactika.com/2SAlins.jpg_ (http://www.impactika.com/2SAlins.jpg) Do you like those? (Yes, of course, they are for sale, but the small one is already sold). Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _IMPACTIKA@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 3/16/2011 4:03:05 PM Mountain Daylight Time, majbaerm...@web.de writes: I already congratulated Arnaud privately: what a wonderful piece of Sikhote! Exactly the same with Rob's irons: simply breathtaking! I have to realize that I came too late in the field of meteorites :-( But: is it really possible to turn a 0 around ^^ Best to all, Matthias B. - Original Message - From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com To: Rob Lenssen rlens...@planet.nl Cc: 'MeteoriteList' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 16,2011 Thanks for the links to those pictures Rob. They support the possibility of Arnaud's specimen being numbered 0098 (as opposed to 8600) because they are smaller individuals whose serial numbers fall within the range of his piece. gary On Mar 16, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Rob Lenssen wrote: Hi Arnaud (and List), The label talk reminded me of a Sikhote Alin Label discussion we had on this List about 10 years ago (how time flies...) As the List archives only go back to 2004, I added two of the Emails below. I think they contain information that may be of interest to you. Not all of the links in there are working, but I reloaded mine. Here are some more photos of labeled S-A's, I collected back then (the photos!). Don't remember the sources. I hope the owners will forgive me posting without asking permission: http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Sikhote02_label.jpg http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Sikhote03_label.jpg http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Sikhote04_label.jpg Best regards, Rob Lenssen PS: For those interested, here are some more recent photos of my best Sikhote Alin: http://www.asteroidchippings.com/collection_links/Sikhote_Alin_473g.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010
Me too... Looks likes an 1800's covered wagon canvas eyelet. Dennis From: geo...@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 10:46:31 -0400 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_8_2010.html Is this man made? It sure looks like it to me. GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccountocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -May 8, 2010
Hi All, Short opinion: manmade. Reasoning: the inability to produce such a form purely through atmospheric ablation. Just to remind everyone, all of the so-called Franconia irons are nothing more than chondritic iron that has separated from an H-chondrite fall -- either during flight, or by terrestrial weathering processes on the ground. Thus it has always bothered me that these irons were given a separate meteorite name from the ubiquitous H-chondrites at Franconia from which they derive. If my information is outdated on this subject, someone please let me know. But many (most?) of the people I know who have hunted Franconia and found these irons do not pretend that they are from a separate iron fall -- they all accept that the iron nuggets were spalled from an H-chondrite. So, getting back to Larry's unusual, tiny iron find. If this iron did not start at the top of the atmospere as a very tiny piece of iron, there would be no way to ablate it, let alone punch a hole through it. Since the Franconia irons were once part of a massive chondritic meteoroid, there was no opportunity for these irons to experience independent, high altitude, high velocity ablation. Their ablation history wouldn't have started until the main H-chondrite body had fragmented on a gigantic scale (e.g. terminal burst), which of course would have occurred at comparatively low altitude. On a final note, the H-chondrite fall at Franconia was not a recent one. While this part of NW Arizona receives little seasonal rainfall, I don't imagine that a 0.1-gram piece of iron could survive more than a century. But a manmade piece of iron, dropped there in the last 50 years, might possibly survive terrestrial weathering. I would love nothing more than for Larry's find to have an extraterrestrial origin; but the physics and history of finds at Franconia argue strongly against it. Best wishes, Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -May 8, 2010
Hi Rob, That's rolly chair talk... ;) LOL Best regards, MikeG PS - Sterling, you too! On 5/9/10, Rob Matson mojave_meteori...@cox.net wrote: Hi All, Short opinion: manmade. Reasoning: the inability to produce such a form purely through atmospheric ablation. Just to remind everyone, all of the so-called Franconia irons are nothing more than chondritic iron that has separated from an H-chondrite fall -- either during flight, or by terrestrial weathering processes on the ground. Thus it has always bothered me that these irons were given a separate meteorite name from the ubiquitous H-chondrites at Franconia from which they derive. If my information is outdated on this subject, someone please let me know. But many (most?) of the people I know who have hunted Franconia and found these irons do not pretend that they are from a separate iron fall -- they all accept that the iron nuggets were spalled from an H-chondrite. So, getting back to Larry's unusual, tiny iron find. If this iron did not start at the top of the atmospere as a very tiny piece of iron, there would be no way to ablate it, let alone punch a hole through it. Since the Franconia irons were once part of a massive chondritic meteoroid, there was no opportunity for these irons to experience independent, high altitude, high velocity ablation. Their ablation history wouldn't have started until the main H-chondrite body had fragmented on a gigantic scale (e.g. terminal burst), which of course would have occurred at comparatively low altitude. On a final note, the H-chondrite fall at Franconia was not a recent one. While this part of NW Arizona receives little seasonal rainfall, I don't imagine that a 0.1-gram piece of iron could survive more than a century. But a manmade piece of iron, dropped there in the last 50 years, might possibly survive terrestrial weathering. I would love nothing more than for Larry's find to have an extraterrestrial origin; but the physics and history of finds at Franconia argue strongly against it. Best wishes, Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -May 8, 2010
Hi Rob, List, I'd like to address a couple of points Rob made. I have great repect for you Rob, you are one smart dude, no doubts here! No disrespect intended to anyone out there, we all have opinions and that's what makes it all so fun! (Sorry to Phil and Warren for my full of it comment last night, I was having fun at your expense and should not have made the comment, nothing personal.) First, I don't believe anyone here thinks of the Franconia irons as an independent fall. It is widely known and understood that these are spalled out of the H chondrite. If my memory serves me correctly there were a few of you real smart guys out there that were adament opponents of a meteoritic origin at all concerning these tiny irons. A bunch of us that were in the field finding these little oriented beauties couldn't understand this position and I was truly starting to doubt some of the science/scientists. I'm glad it was straightened out and the truth acknowledged. I don't know if I agree with them getting their own classification but something needed to be done to acknowledge the unusual circumstances and unlikely event that created these. That being said, let's look closely at the irons, they may tell the whole story if we can learn to read them. Rob says they didn't have the opportunity to experience high altitude, high velocity ablation. I've posted some more pictures to my photobucket site. Though they are not the best pic's they do demonstrate the fact that at least some of these experienced some serious ablation, from flow lines to roll over lipping, bullet shapes and BB's. That in my opinion constitutes high altitude, high velocity ablation. These shapes did not occur some time after the stone was on the ground and the metal weathered out, nor did the shapes occur during dark flight, no way no how. As far as weathering away over the long period of time since the fall, I have no answer for that. However, it is a fact that many of the irons that have been found are smaller than .1 gram. I've found them myself and I've looked at other peoples finds that are very tiny. Somehow they are not weathering into oblivion. Perhaps this is another aspect of these irons that is not yet understood. Some are more weathered than others. They range in color from gun barrel blue to orange rust, some are black, others are brown, with different degrees of weathering apparent. I believe it's important to know the true answer because if it is a meteorite it should shed light on the impact pits on Sikhote Alin and other irons. Some people think that impurities popped out of the iron, or in the case of Franconia, that chondrules popped out, while others see a splash as if something impacted it. My little enigma may answer that question if it is proven to be of extraterrestrial origin. That would be a contribution to the science. If the RFSPOD object is a meteorite I think it is imperative that that be known. I feel an obligation to put it to the test and I'm close to having a SEM reading. I'll certainly inform the list when the results come in. Whatever the result is this has been a positive thread that inspires people to think and have constructive conversation and debate, what else could you ask for? http://s934.photobucket.com/albums/ad190/alienrockfarm/ Best Regards to All Larry -Original Message- From: Rob Matson mojave_meteori...@cox.net To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, May 9, 2010 3:19 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -May 8, 2010 Hi All, Short opinion: manmade. Reasoning: the inability to produce such a form purely through atmospheric ablation. Just to remind everyone, all of the so-called Franconia irons are nothing more than chondritic iron that has separated from an H-chondrite fall -- either during flight, or by terrestrial weathering processes on the ground. Thus it has always bothered me that these irons were given a separate meteorite name from the ubiquitous H-chondrites at Franconia from which they derive. If my information is outdated on this subject, someone please let me know. But many (most?) of the people I know who have hunted Franconia and found these irons do not pretend that they are from a separate iron fall -- they all accept that the iron nuggets were spalled from an H-chondrite. So, getting back to Larry's unusual, tiny iron find. If this iron did not start at the top of the atmospere as a very tiny piece of iron, there would be no way to ablate it, let alone punch a hole through it. Since the Franconia irons were once part of a massive chondritic meteoroid, there was no opportunity for these irons to experience independent, high altitude, high velocity ablation. Their ablation history wouldn't have started until the main H-chondrite body had fragmented on a gigantic scale (e.g. terminal burst), which of course would have occurred at comparatively low altitude. On a final note, the H-chondrite
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -May 8, 2010
Larry, Rob, Wow, I agree . this has been interesting. I did not know the circumstances of these little irons. With Rob's usual excellent explanation it is easy to see why you hunt these little treasures. It also seems likely that whatever else is within the stony variety of this fall may also be found separated as these irons have been. Having said that I think most would now agree that most of your pictured irons are just that. The one in question looks nothing like others though. It even has a coppery color similar to a Levis rivet ( correct size scale too) used at key stress points on jeans. They are not only attracted to a magnet but also contain nickel. So, your SEM will need to keep this in mind. Again, Thank you for this thread. It has been informative.. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax thetop...@aol.com wrote: Hi Rob, List, I'd like to address a couple of points Rob made. I have great repect for you Rob, you are one smart dude, no doubts here! No disrespect intended to anyone out there, we all have opinions and that's what makes it all so fun! (Sorry to Phil and Warren for my full of it comment last night, I was having fun at your expense and should not have made the comment, nothing personal.) First, I don't believe anyone here thinks of the Franconia irons as an independent fall. It is widely known and understood that these are spalled out of the H chondrite. If my memory serves me correctly there were a few of you real smart guys out there that were adament opponents of a meteoritic origin at all concerning these tiny irons. A bunch of us that were in the field finding these little oriented beauties couldn't understand this position and I was truly starting to doubt some of the science/scientists. I'm glad it was straightened out and the truth acknowledged. I don't know if I agree with them getting their own classification but something needed to be done to acknowledge the unusual circumstances and unlikely event that created these. That being said, let's look closely at the irons, they may tell the whole story if we can learn to read them. Rob says they didn't have the opportunity to experience high altitude, high velocity ablation. I've posted some more pictures to my photobucket site. Though they are not the best pic's they do demonstrate the fact that at least some of these experienced some serious ablation, from flow lines to roll over lipping, bullet shapes and BB's. That in my opinion constitutes high altitude, high velocity ablation. These shapes did not occur some time after the stone was on the ground and the metal weathered out, nor did the shapes occur during dark flight, no way no how. As far as weathering away over the long period of time since the fall, I have no answer for that. However, it is a fact that many of the irons that have been found are smaller than .1 gram. I've found them myself and I've looked at other peoples finds that are very tiny. Somehow they are not weathering into oblivion. Perhaps this is another aspect of these irons that is not yet understood. Some are more weathered than others. They range in color from gun barrel blue to orange rust, some are black, others are brown, with different degrees of weathering apparent. I believe it's important to know the true answer because if it is a meteorite it should shed light on the impact pits on Sikhote Alin and other irons. Some people think that impurities popped out of the iron, or in the case of Franconia, that chondrules popped out, while others see a splash as if something impacted it. My little enigma may answer that question if it is proven to be of extraterrestrial origin. That would be a contribution to the science. If the RFSPOD object is a meteorite I think it is imperative that that be known. I feel an obligation to put it to the test and I'm close to having a SEM reading. I'll certainly inform the list when the results come in. Whatever the result is this has been a positive thread that inspires people to think and have constructive conversation and debate, what else could you ask for? http://s934.photobucket.com/albums/ad190/alienrockfarm/ Best Regards to All Larry -Original Message- From: Rob Matson mojave_meteori...@cox.net To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, May 9, 2010 3:19 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -May 8, 2010 Hi All, Short opinion: manmade. Reasoning: the inability to produce such a form purely through atmospheric ablation. Just to remind everyone, all of the so-called Franconia irons are nothing more than chondritic iron that has separated from an H-chondrite fall -- either during flight, or by terrestrial weathering processes on the ground. Thus it has always bothered me that these irons were given a separate meteorite name from the ubiquitous H-chondrites at Franconia
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -May 8, 2010
Hello Larry and all. Here are more of the train wreck specimens I found a mile from the tracks in the field. Will keep my fingers crossed for your yours. Best regards. Wayne http://www.meteoritesrock.com/franconia%20irons.html - Original Message - From: thetop...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: mojave_meteori...@cox.net Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -May 8,2010 Hi Rob, List, I'd like to address a couple of points Rob made. I have great repect for you Rob, you are one smart dude, no doubts here! No disrespect intended to anyone out there, we all have opinions and that's what makes it all so fun! (Sorry to Phil and Warren for my full of it comment last night, I was having fun at your expense and should not have made the comment, nothing personal.) First, I don't believe anyone here thinks of the Franconia irons as an independent fall. It is widely known and understood that these are spalled out of the H chondrite. If my memory serves me correctly there were a few of you real smart guys out there that were adament opponents of a meteoritic origin at all concerning these tiny irons. A bunch of us that were in the field finding these little oriented beauties couldn't understand this position and I was truly starting to doubt some of the science/scientists. I'm glad it was straightened out and the truth acknowledged. I don't know if I agree with them getting their own classification but something needed to be done to acknowledge the unusual circumstances and unlikely event that created these. That being said, let's look closely at the irons, they may tell the whole story if we can learn to read them. Rob says they didn't have the opportunity to experience high altitude, high velocity ablation. I've posted some more pictures to my photobucket site. Though they are not the best pic's they do demonstrate the fact that at least some of these experienced some serious ablation, from flow lines to roll over lipping, bullet shapes and BB's. That in my opinion constitutes high altitude, high velocity ablation. These shapes did not occur some time after the stone was on the ground and the metal weathered out, nor did the shapes occur during dark flight, no way no how. As far as weathering away over the long period of time since the fall, I have no answer for that. However, it is a fact that many of the irons that have been found are smaller than .1 gram. I've found them myself and I've looked at other peoples finds that are very tiny. Somehow they are not weathering into oblivion. Perhaps this is another aspect of these irons that is not yet understood. Some are more weathered than others. They range in color from gun barrel blue to orange rust, some are black, others are brown, with different degrees of weathering apparent. I believe it's important to know the true answer because if it is a meteorite it should shed light on the impact pits on Sikhote Alin and other irons. Some people think that impurities popped out of the iron, or in the case of Franconia, that chondrules popped out, while others see a splash as if something impacted it. My little enigma may answer that question if it is proven to be of extraterrestrial origin. That would be a contribution to the science. If the RFSPOD object is a meteorite I think it is imperative that that be known. I feel an obligation to put it to the test and I'm close to having a SEM reading. I'll certainly inform the list when the results come in. Whatever the result is this has been a positive thread that inspires people to think and have constructive conversation and debate, what else could you ask for? http://s934.photobucket.com/albums/ad190/alienrockfarm/ Best Regards to All Larry -Original Message- From: Rob Matson mojave_meteori...@cox.net To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, May 9, 2010 3:19 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -May 8, 2010 Hi All, Short opinion: manmade. Reasoning: the inability to produce such a form purely through atmospheric ablation. Just to remind everyone, all of the so-called Franconia irons are nothing more than chondritic iron that has separated from an H-chondrite fall -- either during flight, or by terrestrial weathering processes on the ground. Thus it has always bothered me that these irons were given a separate meteorite name from the ubiquitous H-chondrites at Franconia from which they derive. If my information is outdated on this subject, someone please let me know. But many (most?) of the people I know who have hunted Franconia and found these irons do not pretend that they are from a separate iron fall -- they all accept that the iron nuggets were spalled from an H-chondrite. So, getting back to Larry's unusual, tiny iron find. If this iron did not start at the top of the atmospere as a very tiny piece of iron, there would
[meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010
It looks like an old doorbell casing... I won't believe this pic is a real meteorite until I see a respected professional showing the analysis. I call shenanigans on that picture. Warren Sansoucie From: geo...@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 10:46:31 -0400 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_8_2010.html Is this man made? It sure looks like it to me. GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010
I failed to mention that its weight is .1 gram. www.rocksfromspace.org -Original Message- From: Warren Sansoucie warren3...@hotmail.com Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 10:00:10 To: METEORITE LISTmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 It looks like an old doorbell casing... I won't believe this pic is a real meteorite until I see a respected professional showing the analysis. I call shenanigans on that picture. Warren Sansoucie From: geo...@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 10:46:31 -0400 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_8_2010.html Is this man made? It sure looks like it to me. GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010
So it looks like a .1 gram meteor-wrong. Warren Sansoucie To: warren3...@hotmail.com; meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8,2010 From: mich...@rocksfromspace.org Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 15:03:53 + I failed to mention that its weight is .1 gram. www.rocksfromspace.org -Original Message- From: Warren Sansoucie Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 10:00:10 To: METEORITE LIST Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 It looks like an old doorbell casing... I won't believe this pic is a real meteorite until I see a respected professional showing the analysis. I call shenanigans on that picture. Warren Sansoucie From: geo...@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 10:46:31 -0400 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_8_2010.html Is this man made? It sure looks like it to me. GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010
I would agree man made. On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 8:06 AM, Warren Sansoucie warren3...@hotmail.com wrote: So it looks like a .1 gram meteor-wrong. Warren Sansoucie To: warren3...@hotmail.com; meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8,2010 From: mich...@rocksfromspace.org Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 15:03:53 + I failed to mention that its weight is .1 gram. www.rocksfromspace.org -Original Message- From: Warren Sansoucie Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 10:00:10 To: METEORITE LIST Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 It looks like an old doorbell casing... I won't believe this pic is a real meteorite until I see a respected professional showing the analysis. I call shenanigans on that picture. Warren Sansoucie From: geo...@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 10:46:31 -0400 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_8_2010.html Is this man made? It sure looks like it to me. GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 www.meteoritefinder.com 928-753-6825 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010
On Sat, 8 May 2010 15:03:53 +, you wrote: I failed to mention that its weight is .1 gram. Iron at .1 gram? Must be tiny. Maybe the female end of some type of snap fastener? http://www.denverfabrics.com/pages/sewinginfo/hsc-sewing-hints/sewing-snaps.htm __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010
Why would you even think that's a meteorite? I think Darren called it. It's a snap fastener. Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010
Everyone, Looks like a metal grommet from a tarp to me. Frank - Original Message From: Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 9:15:36 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 On Sat, 8 May 2010 15:03:53 +, you wrote: I failed to mention that its weight is .1 gram. Iron at .1 gram? Must be tiny. Maybe the female end of some type of snap fastener? http://www.denverfabrics.com/pages/sewinginfo/hsc-sewing-hints/sewing-snaps.htm __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010
Hi All, Flanged buttons of this type are limited to tektites, which undergo a vastly different formation process than meteorites. There are no meteorite flanged buttons, or if there is, I have not seen in during my experience of handling thousands of meteorites and seeing photos of tens of thousands of meteorites. Nor I have ever read anything in the scientific literature that allows for meteorite flanged buttons of this type. This is either a meteorwrong, or a million-dollar find of the century - I'd bet on the former. Best regards, MikeG On 5/8/10, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: Why would you even think that's a meteorite? I think Darren called it. It's a snap fastener. Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010
It's a Franconia Iron. When you've been out in the field and walked two and a half miles into some inhospitable desert and you can only find them within the strewn field then you know... I have plenty of dumb bells and funky U shaped irons but most of them are flat and corn flake looking because they pealed out of the second or third break up of the meteorite and did not have enough time to orient. They don't get very big because most of them were only the size of peas or smaller when they peeled out of the meteorites in flight. It's easy to sit in your rolly chair and say meteor wrong. I suggest you spend 50 hours learning to properly use a quality metal detector and then walk two miles from the rail road tracks(as a crow flies lol) and stay out there for 12 hours to get your head right. Then tell me the stuff you found was man made LMAO!!! MANMADE!!! MANMADE!!! hahahaha [Erik] Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 12:11:42 -0400 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 Hi All, Flanged buttons of this type are limited to tektites, which undergo a vastly different formation process than meteorites. There are no meteorite flanged buttons, or if there is, I have not seen in during my experience of handling thousands of meteorites and seeing photos of tens of thousands of meteorites. Nor I have ever read anything in the scientific literature that allows for meteorite flanged buttons of this type. This is either a meteorwrong, or a million-dollar find of the century - I'd bet on the former. Best regards, MikeG On 5/8/10, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: Why would you even think that's a meteorite? I think Darren called it. It's a snap fastener. Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010
d Here we go again with the I know more than you foul attitude and the terse commenting. Can we have a thread where someone doesn't try to take the conversation down a path like this? I suggest you learn a few things about the art of having a civil conversation. It's easy to sit in YOUR rolly chair and pretend you are an authority on something because you walked around in a desert waving a gadget around, but the reality is, you just took the conversation down a path that only ends in a shouting match. You could have simply stated what you knew about the picture in a professional way and you may have seemed like you knew more than us and you would have had the first proper rebuttal. Instead, you acted like a pompous ass. Smooth move. MANMADE!!! MANMADE!!! hahahaha really? Warren Sansoucie From: erikfw...@msn.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 09:43:37 -0700 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 It's a Franconia Iron. When you've been out in the field and walked two and a half miles into some inhospitable desert and you can only find them within the strewn field then you know... I have plenty of dumb bells and funky U shaped irons but most of them are flat and corn flake looking because they pealed out of the second or third break up of the meteorite and did not have enough time to orient. They don't get very big because most of them were only the size of peas or smaller when they peeled out of the meteorites in flight. It's easy to sit in your rolly chair and say meteor wrong. I suggest you spend 50 hours learning to properly use a quality metal detector and then walk two miles from the rail road tracks(as a crow flies lol) and stay out there for 12 hours to get your head right. Then tell me the stuff you found was man made LMAO!!! MANMADE!!! MANMADE!!! hahahaha [Erik] Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 12:11:42 -0400 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 Hi All, Flanged buttons of this type are limited to tektites, which undergo a vastly different formation process than meteorites. There are no meteorite flanged buttons, or if there is, I have not seen in during my experience of handling thousands of meteorites and seeing photos of tens of thousands of meteorites. Nor I have ever read anything in the scientific literature that allows for meteorite flanged buttons of this type. This is either a meteorwrong, or a million-dollar find of the century - I'd bet on the former. Best regards, MikeG On 5/8/10, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: Why would you even think that's a meteorite? I think Darren called it. It's a snap fastener. Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010
Manmade stuff ends up in weird places. I stand by my assessment until I see a chemical analysis and verdict from a respectable authority on meteorites. ;) BTW - I know plenty about metal detectors and have spent years wandering the wilds. I've run across some odd stuff out in the middle of nowhere in places where there were no traces of human activity. So the location has nothing to do with whether it's a meteorite or not. I guess a cannonball found in the Franconia strewnfield must be a meteorite because it was found in a known meteorite strewnfield. Best regards, MikeG On 5/8/10, Erik Fisler erikfw...@msn.com wrote: It's a Franconia Iron. When you've been out in the field and walked two and a half miles into some inhospitable desert and you can only find them within the strewn field then you know... I have plenty of dumb bells and funky U shaped irons but most of them are flat and corn flake looking because they pealed out of the second or third break up of the meteorite and did not have enough time to orient. They don't get very big because most of them were only the size of peas or smaller when they peeled out of the meteorites in flight. It's easy to sit in your rolly chair and say meteor wrong. I suggest you spend 50 hours learning to properly use a quality metal detector and then walk two miles from the rail road tracks(as a crow flies lol) and stay out there for 12 hours to get your head right. Then tell me the stuff you found was man made LMAO!!! MANMADE!!! MANMADE!!! hahahaha [Erik] Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 12:11:42 -0400 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 Hi All, Flanged buttons of this type are limited to tektites, which undergo a vastly different formation process than meteorites. There are no meteorite flanged buttons, or if there is, I have not seen in during my experience of handling thousands of meteorites and seeing photos of tens of thousands of meteorites. Nor I have ever read anything in the scientific literature that allows for meteorite flanged buttons of this type. This is either a meteorwrong, or a million-dollar find of the century - I'd bet on the former. Best regards, MikeG On 5/8/10, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: Why would you even think that's a meteorite? I think Darren called it. It's a snap fastener. Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010
BTW - if anyone has a link to any meteorite in the shape of a perfectly flanged button, iron or stony, please send me the link or photo. Best regards, MikeG On 5/8/10, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Manmade stuff ends up in weird places. I stand by my assessment until I see a chemical analysis and verdict from a respectable authority on meteorites. ;) BTW - I know plenty about metal detectors and have spent years wandering the wilds. I've run across some odd stuff out in the middle of nowhere in places where there were no traces of human activity. So the location has nothing to do with whether it's a meteorite or not. I guess a cannonball found in the Franconia strewnfield must be a meteorite because it was found in a known meteorite strewnfield. Best regards, MikeG On 5/8/10, Erik Fisler erikfw...@msn.com wrote: It's a Franconia Iron. When you've been out in the field and walked two and a half miles into some inhospitable desert and you can only find them within the strewn field then you know... I have plenty of dumb bells and funky U shaped irons but most of them are flat and corn flake looking because they pealed out of the second or third break up of the meteorite and did not have enough time to orient. They don't get very big because most of them were only the size of peas or smaller when they peeled out of the meteorites in flight. It's easy to sit in your rolly chair and say meteor wrong. I suggest you spend 50 hours learning to properly use a quality metal detector and then walk two miles from the rail road tracks(as a crow flies lol) and stay out there for 12 hours to get your head right. Then tell me the stuff you found was man made LMAO!!! MANMADE!!! MANMADE!!! hahahaha [Erik] Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 12:11:42 -0400 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 Hi All, Flanged buttons of this type are limited to tektites, which undergo a vastly different formation process than meteorites. There are no meteorite flanged buttons, or if there is, I have not seen in during my experience of handling thousands of meteorites and seeing photos of tens of thousands of meteorites. Nor I have ever read anything in the scientific literature that allows for meteorite flanged buttons of this type. This is either a meteorwrong, or a million-dollar find of the century - I'd bet on the former. Best regards, MikeG On 5/8/10, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: Why would you even think that's a meteorite? I think Darren called it. It's a snap fastener. Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010
Hi, Erik, Using the photo, I would have put money down on a small sewing/tent/tarp grommet, too! Even the weight is close to those I use. I am always amazed at the variety of meteorites. I would appreciate seeing photos of your flat and odd shaped irons. While they sound to be common to you, I haven't seen anything in an iron more uniform than a very irregular SA. I would also like to hear or read a description of how this donut was formed. You say it wouldn't have enough time to orient, but it appears to have roll-over rims... Cheers, Pete From: erikfw...@msn.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 09:43:37 -0700 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 It's a Franconia Iron. When you've been out in the field and walked two and a half miles into some inhospitable desert and you can only find them within the strewn field then you know... I have plenty of dumb bells and funky U shaped irons but most of them are flat and corn flake looking because they pealed out of the second or third break up of the meteorite and did not have enough time to orient. They don't get very big because most of them were only the size of peas or smaller when they peeled out of the meteorites in flight. It's easy to sit in your rolly chair and say meteor wrong. I suggest you spend 50 hours learning to properly use a quality metal detector and then walk two miles from the rail road tracks(as a crow flies lol) and stay out there for 12 hours to get your head right. Then tell me the stuff you found was man made LMAO!!! MANMADE!!! MANMADE!!! hahahaha [Erik] Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 12:11:42 -0400 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 Hi All, Flanged buttons of this type are limited to tektites, which undergo a vastly different formation process than meteorites. There are no meteorite flanged buttons, or if there is, I have not seen in during my experience of handling thousands of meteorites and seeing photos of tens of thousands of meteorites. Nor I have ever read anything in the scientific literature that allows for meteorite flanged buttons of this type. This is either a meteorwrong, or a million-dollar find of the century - I'd bet on the former. Best regards, MikeG On 5/8/10, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: Why would you even think that's a meteorite? I think Darren called it. It's a snap fastener. Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ 30 days of prizes to be won with Hotmail. Enter Here. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9729709 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010
This guy lists all kinds of interesting junk that he finds in strewnfields. He claims they're meteoriteswell, because they were found in a strewn field! He's sold 80 meteorites on eBay and has never had to return a single one based on lack of authenticity. http://cgi.ebay.com/Canyon-Diablo-Achondrite-meteorite-attributes-85-CRUST-/360199899680?cmd=ViewItempt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item53dd964a20 http://cgi.ebay.com/Holbrook-AZ-meteorite-strewnfield-/360223719454?cmd=ViewItempt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item53df01c01e http://cgi.ebay.com/Interesting-stone-Holbrook-AZ-meteorite-strewnfield-5g-/360206182853?cmd=ViewItempt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item53ddf629c5 -- Not found in strewnfields, but fun meteorwrongs nonetheless. This one was tested by Richard Firestone. And priced at a mere 99,000 dollars! http://cgi.ebay.com/GIANT-METEORITE-UNITED-STATES-5-5-pounds-/360145973265?cmd=ViewItempt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item53da5f7011 Currently the highest priced meteorwrong on eBay, $850,000: http://cgi.ebay.com/Possible-USA-match-Dhofar-lunar-meteorite-breccias-/360255954084?cmd=ViewItempt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item53e0ed9ca4 Manmade stuff ends up in weird places. I stand by my assessment until I see a chemical analysis and verdict from a respectable authority on meteorites. ;) BTW - I know plenty about metal detectors and have spent years wandering the wilds. I've run across some odd stuff out in the middle of nowhere in places where there were no traces of human activity. So the location has nothing to do with whether it's a meteorite or not. I guess a cannonball found in the Franconia strewnfield must be a meteorite because it was found in a known meteorite strewnfield. Best regards, MikeG __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010
Those ebay links you provided were not listed by Larry, the guy who owns the Franconia iron, which I believe could very well be an iron meteorite, but not 100% sure. I have some Franonia irons with odd shapes as well, The roll over lip make me think it could very well be authentic. Also the the raised portion leading up to the hole in the center does not appear to be of even size all the way around, which it would be if it were a button. I think also the size make it a slim chance it is a button. Also the metal around the hole is not uniform and is more flattened and rolled over one one side. Dont think it is a wrong, but like I said I cant be sure, but Larry is a very knowledgeable guy who knows his meteorites, if he says it is a meteorite after having it for a few years and examining it in person, I will take his word for it until proved wrong. If I had to pay cash for it, I may then think about having it examined further. But A great collection piece either way. Best Wishes, Joe Kerchner http://illinoismeteorites.com http://skyrockcafe.com - Original Message From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 1:23:46 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 This guy lists all kinds of interesting junk that he finds in strewnfields. He claims they're meteoriteswell, because they were found in a strewn field! He's sold 80 meteorites on eBay and has never had to return a single one based on lack of authenticity. http://cgi.ebay.com/Canyon-Diablo-Achondrite-meteorite-attributes-85-CRUST-/360199899680?cmd=ViewItempt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item53dd964a20 http://cgi.ebay.com/Holbrook-AZ-meteorite-strewnfield-/360223719454?cmd=ViewItempt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item53df01c01e http://cgi.ebay.com/Interesting-stone-Holbrook-AZ-meteorite-strewnfield-5g-/360206182853?cmd=ViewItempt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item53ddf629c5 -- Not found in strewnfields, but fun meteorwrongs nonetheless. This one was tested by Richard Firestone. And priced at a mere 99,000 dollars! http://cgi.ebay.com/GIANT-METEORITE-UNITED-STATES-5-5-pounds-/360145973265?cmd=ViewItempt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item53da5f7011 Currently the highest priced meteorwrong on eBay, $850,000: http://cgi.ebay.com/Possible-USA-match-Dhofar-lunar-meteorite-breccias-/360255954084?cmd=ViewItempt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item53e0ed9ca4 Manmade stuff ends up in weird places. I stand by my assessment until I see a chemical analysis and verdict from a respectable authority on meteorites. ;) BTW - I know plenty about metal detectors and have spent years wandering the wilds. I've run across some odd stuff out in the middle of nowhere in places where there were no traces of human activity. So the location has nothing to do with whether it's a meteorite or not. I guess a cannonball found in the Franconia strewnfield must be a meteorite because it was found in a known meteorite strewnfield. Best regards, MikeG __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010
Also, the hole is not perfectly uniform, which it should be if it were mad-made. I guess we will never know, or really need to worry much about it, because I dont see Larry selling it or trading it, ever. Best Wishes, Joe Kerchner http://illinoismeteorites.com http://skyrockcafe.com - Original Message From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 1:23:46 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 This guy lists all kinds of interesting junk that he finds in strewnfields. He claims they're meteoriteswell, because they were found in a strewn field! He's sold 80 meteorites on eBay and has never had to return a single one based on lack of authenticity. http://cgi.ebay.com/Canyon-Diablo-Achondrite-meteorite-attributes-85-CRUST-/360199899680?cmd=ViewItempt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item53dd964a20 http://cgi.ebay.com/Holbrook-AZ-meteorite-strewnfield-/360223719454?cmd=ViewItempt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item53df01c01e http://cgi.ebay.com/Interesting-stone-Holbrook-AZ-meteorite-strewnfield-5g-/360206182853?cmd=ViewItempt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item53ddf629c5 -- Not found in strewnfields, but fun meteorwrongs nonetheless. This one was tested by Richard Firestone. And priced at a mere 99,000 dollars! http://cgi.ebay.com/GIANT-METEORITE-UNITED-STATES-5-5-pounds-/360145973265?cmd=ViewItempt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item53da5f7011 Currently the highest priced meteorwrong on eBay, $850,000: http://cgi.ebay.com/Possible-USA-match-Dhofar-lunar-meteorite-breccias-/360255954084?cmd=ViewItempt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item53e0ed9ca4 Manmade stuff ends up in weird places. I stand by my assessment until I see a chemical analysis and verdict from a respectable authority on meteorites. ;) BTW - I know plenty about metal detectors and have spent years wandering the wilds. I've run across some odd stuff out in the middle of nowhere in places where there were no traces of human activity. So the location has nothing to do with whether it's a meteorite or not. I guess a cannonball found in the Franconia strewnfield must be a meteorite because it was found in a known meteorite strewnfield. Best regards, MikeG __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010
Hi Joe, You misunderstood my post. I never said the links were from Larry, the Franconia meteorwrong guy. They're from some other meteorwrong guy. But I guess I can see how you infered that. I was trying to illustrate the point that something found in a known strewn field doth not a meteorite maketh. Phil Whitmer -- Those ebay links you provided were not listed by Larry, the guy who owns the Franconia iron, which I believe could very well be an iron meteorite, but not 100% sure. I have some Franonia irons with odd shapes as well, The roll over lip make me think it could very well be authentic. Also the the raised portion leading up to the hole in the center does not appear to be of even size all the way around, which it would be if it were a button. I think also the size make it a slim chance it is a button. Also the metal around the hole is not uniform and is more flattened and rolled over one one side. Dont think it is a wrong, but like I said I cant be sure, but Larry is a very knowledgeable guy who knows his meteorites, if he says it is a meteorite after having it for a few years and examining it in person, I will take his word for it until proved wrong. If I had to pay cash for it, I may then think about having it examined further. But A great collection piece either way. Best Wishes, Joe Kerchner http://illinoismeteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010
Test Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 15:25:59 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 Hi Joe, You misunderstood my post. I never said the links were from Larry, the Franconia meteorwrong guy. They're from some other meteorwrong guy. But I guess I can see how you infered that. I was trying to illustrate the point that something found in a known strewn field doth not a meteorite maketh. Phil Whitmer -- Those ebay links you provided were not listed by Larry, the guy who owns the Franconia iron, which I believe could very well be an iron meteorite, but not 100% sure. I have some Franonia irons with odd shapes as well, The roll over lip make me think it could very well be authentic. Also the the raised portion leading up to the hole in the center does not appear to be of even size all the way around, which it would be if it were a button. I think also the size make it a slim chance it is a button. Also the metal around the hole is not uniform and is more flattened and rolled over one one side. Dont think it is a wrong, but like I said I cant be sure, but Larry is a very knowledgeable guy who knows his meteorites, if he says it is a meteorite after having it for a few years and examining it in person, I will take his word for it until proved wrong. If I had to pay cash for it, I may then think about having it examined further. But A great collection piece either way. Best Wishes, Joe Kerchner http://illinoismeteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May8, 2010
Well I think were back to the train wreck shrapnel. As I remember the pieces could fly about 4 miles. Wayne - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Erik Fisler erikfw...@msn.com Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May8, 2010 BTW - if anyone has a link to any meteorite in the shape of a perfectly flanged button, iron or stony, please send me the link or photo. Best regards, MikeG On 5/8/10, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Manmade stuff ends up in weird places. I stand by my assessment until I see a chemical analysis and verdict from a respectable authority on meteorites. ;) BTW - I know plenty about metal detectors and have spent years wandering the wilds. I've run across some odd stuff out in the middle of nowhere in places where there were no traces of human activity. So the location has nothing to do with whether it's a meteorite or not. I guess a cannonball found in the Franconia strewnfield must be a meteorite because it was found in a known meteorite strewnfield. Best regards, MikeG On 5/8/10, Erik Fisler erikfw...@msn.com wrote: It's a Franconia Iron. When you've been out in the field and walked two and a half miles into some inhospitable desert and you can only find them within the strewn field then you know... I have plenty of dumb bells and funky U shaped irons but most of them are flat and corn flake looking because they pealed out of the second or third break up of the meteorite and did not have enough time to orient. They don't get very big because most of them were only the size of peas or smaller when they peeled out of the meteorites in flight. It's easy to sit in your rolly chair and say meteor wrong. I suggest you spend 50 hours learning to properly use a quality metal detector and then walk two miles from the rail road tracks(as a crow flies lol) and stay out there for 12 hours to get your head right. Then tell me the stuff you found was man made LMAO!!! MANMADE!!! MANMADE!!! hahahaha [Erik] Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 12:11:42 -0400 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 Hi All, Flanged buttons of this type are limited to tektites, which undergo a vastly different formation process than meteorites. There are no meteorite flanged buttons, or if there is, I have not seen in during my experience of handling thousands of meteorites and seeing photos of tens of thousands of meteorites. Nor I have ever read anything in the scientific literature that allows for meteorite flanged buttons of this type. This is either a meteorwrong, or a million-dollar find of the century - I'd bet on the former. Best regards, MikeG On 5/8/10, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: Why would you even think that's a meteorite? I think Darren called it. It's a snap fastener. Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com
[meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May8, 2010
Here are some photos of Franconia irons: http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/005.jpg http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/007-1.jpg http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/008.jpg Lots of odd morphologies in the smaller ones, similar to the more oddly shaped Taza meteorites. Compare these to Larry's rusty snap fastener/grommet. - Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May8, 2010
Dear List and Mystery Object Fans Everywhere, First, what IS a flanged button? It is not just a rounded shape with a fringe around its edge. It is a shape that forms at a specific stage of the ablation of a solid spheroid shape at high speed. The formation of flanged buttons was unriddled by the aerodynamic analysis done by Dean Chapman while working for NASA in the early 1960's. A quote: To Dean it was fairly obvious that one face of the button tektites had been melted by aerodynamic heating and the viscous liquid surface thus formed had been swept back, like the waves of the sea, by aerodynamic forces. Indeed, in an arc-jet tunnel, using actual tektite material, he was able to produce a tektite button, complete with ring waves, that was almost identical with the better preserved of the natural specimens found in Australia. Natural tektites, cut in half, revealed flow lines in the surface material from which flight speed could be deduced; and it also became clear that, for the most part, the buttons had originally been spheres, a shape acquired following a previous melting. --- From SP-4302 Adventures in Research: A History of Ames Research Center 1940-1965: http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4302/ch3.4.htm Take a look at Illustration 383 on that webpage which shows a research flanged button and a natural one. Identical. Here is a diagram showing the formation of ablative shapes by stages from a molten sphere in flight. Item F is the stage of the flanged button shape: http://originoftektites.com/resources/Figure16.GIF This is from John O'Keefe's Tektites and their Origins, 1976. The project has stalled before posting the complete book, but the first six chapters can be found online at: http://originoftektites.com/ But a flanged button with a hole in it? That's pretty strange. Has there ever been a flanged button with a hole? Well, there has been found a flanged button that was a hollow bubble! Look at page 42 of this: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1966Metic...3...35B So, what would happen if an ablating molten hollow bubble of a flanged button burned through, connecting the hollow with the ablating surface? That question, too, is answered in this paper. There is one example of this and the burn-through was only a narrow tunnel, not the asymptotic shape in the RSPOD. One difficulty with the RSPOD shape is, while it starts from what have been the ablative face, it has turned the object inside-out. This would require plastic flow of the entire object as molten iron. There's one problem right there. Iron meteorites do not melt all the way through. Is this piece small enough to have melted completely without being instantly ablated away in a hot flash of the oxygen blowtorch of the atmosphere? I doubt it. One possibility: the burn-through could have occurred by ablating atmosphere contacting an internal troilite nodule and cutting through very fast, melting the entire object and turning it inside-out. It's about a one-in-a-trillion chance. Another suspicious circumstance is the apparent uniformity of the thickness of the metal everywhere the shape is preserved, everywhere except the edge of the flange. This is highly improbable in a natural object, but universal in the case of any manufactured objects. The final nail in the coffin, for me, is the absence of ring-waves. ANY molten sphere will develop ring-waves. No way not to. There is no trace, not even a relict impression, trace or palimpsest of any ring waves. Button line: this object was not shaped by aerodynamic forces in atmospheric flight and likely is not a meteoritic object. It's a Wrong. Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May8, 2010 Hi All, Flanged buttons of this type are limited to tektites, which undergo a vastly different formation process than meteorites. There are no meteorite flanged buttons, or if there is, I have not seen in during my experience of handling thousands of meteorites and seeing photos of tens of thousands of meteorites. Nor I have ever read anything in the scientific literature that allows for meteorite flanged buttons of this type. This is either a meteorwrong, or a million-dollar find of the century - I'd bet on the former. Best regards, MikeG On 5/8/10, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: Why would you even think that's a meteorite? I think Darren called it. It's a snap fastener. Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010
On Sat, 8 May 2010 12:17:38 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: if he says it is a meteorite after having it for a few years and examining it in person, FWIW, the caption says that it was found in April, 2010 (didn't say if it was on the 1st) so it falls short of a few years yet. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010
Sorry about that, I dont know why, but I thought it was found a couple years ago, sorry for my mistake. Larry had told me the story about this piece while out for dinner while in WI hunting. I got the impression it was found a few years ago. again I apologize for not reading the caption better, my bad. But still trust in Larry. Even tho nobody here seems to think it could be a meteorite. However I am not 100% convinced, but i trust in Larry's opinion on this. He has been doing this for a while now and has found many meteorites before, and I am sure even more meteorwrongs. But anyone could be wrong. I also dont see MJ posting a wrong as the RFSPOD Best Wishes, Joe Kerchner http://illinoismeteorites.com http://skyrockcafe.com - Original Message From: Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 4:25:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 On Sat, 8 May 2010 12:17:38 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: if he says it is a meteorite after having it for a few years and examining it in person, FWIW, the caption says that it was found in April, 2010 (didn't say if it was on the 1st) so it falls short of a few years yet. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010
Hello list, This will be short for now, my computer is in the shop. First, I'm havin fun! Second, I thought it may be a little controversial though it may be a bit more so than I thought. Next I'll say that the object is smaller than might be apparent. I'll show more pictures later. I can say it is smaller than any grommet I've seen. I'll also say that I thought it was a shoe lace eye when I first saw it, it is however too small. It has a rollover lip that curls like a wave nearly all the way around and the hole in the center is blown outward, not very apparent in the image. With all due respect to Sterling and the other nay sayers, let me point out a scenario that you are not considering. I have several, and have seen many others with holes punched into, and sometimes nearly through the little iron. I have a perfect example of this I will show when I get my computer back and can post pics. This phenomenon has been observed in SIkhote Alin as well. Perhaps not a complete penetration but big splashes nonetheless. This has happened in Franconia where the irons are tiny and whatever it is that makes these splash forms was able to pass all the way through an already flight oriented meteorite. Sure, it may not be a meteorite, that is understood by me, I'll have it tested if I can. However, I do believe the odds are in favor of SaW 005 being the origin ; ) Humbly Confident Larry Atkins Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: thetop...@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 19:43:04 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8,2010 Test Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 15:25:59 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 Hi Joe, You misunderstood my post. I never said the links were from Larry, the Franconia meteorwrong guy. They're from some other meteorwrong guy. But I guess I can see how you infered that. I was trying to illustrate the point that something found in a known strewn field doth not a meteorite maketh. Phil Whitmer -- Those ebay links you provided were not listed by Larry, the guy who owns the Franconia iron, which I believe could very well be an iron meteorite, but not 100% sure. I have some Franonia irons with odd shapes as well, The roll over lip make me think it could very well be authentic. Also the the raised portion leading up to the hole in the center does not appear to be of even size all the way around, which it would be if it were a button. I think also the size make it a slim chance it is a button. Also the metal around the hole is not uniform and is more flattened and rolled over one one side. Dont think it is a wrong, but like I said I cant be sure, but Larry is a very knowledgeable guy who knows his meteorites, if he says it is a meteorite after having it for a few years and examining it in person, I will take his word for it until proved wrong. If I had to pay cash for it, I may then think about having it examined further. But A great collection piece either way. Best Wishes, Joe Kerchner http://illinoismeteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010
Hi Larry and List! I was hoping you would weigh in with more details. I certainly respect your experience with meteorites and I enjoy your list posts, so please don't take my naysaying personally. :) Your details soften my judgement somewhat. First, it was not readily apparent from the photos, exactly how small the object is. Being so tiny, in my mind, opens up the door of possibility just a bit. Because objects so small tend to behave a little differently than larger objects, when it comes to ablation. It's possible that more such objects exist, but have been overlooked or missed due to their tiny size and strange appearance. But, I have to agree with what Sterling has pointed out, and what I have read about the formation process of buttons, orientation, spalling, and other effects. If I was a betting man, I'd put my money on this being a wrong. But either way, it's an interesting and fun find worthy of being collected. Some objects, despite being terrestrial or manmade, are just fascinating to contemplate, with another example being Joe Kerchner's Mendota meteorwrong. I'd love to see the lab analysis reports on objects like these. Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG On 5/8/10, thetop...@aol.com thetop...@aol.com wrote: Hello list, This will be short for now, my computer is in the shop. First, I'm havin fun! Second, I thought it may be a little controversial though it may be a bit more so than I thought. Next I'll say that the object is smaller than might be apparent. I'll show more pictures later. I can say it is smaller than any grommet I've seen. I'll also say that I thought it was a shoe lace eye when I first saw it, it is however too small. It has a rollover lip that curls like a wave nearly all the way around and the hole in the center is blown outward, not very apparent in the image. With all due respect to Sterling and the other nay sayers, let me point out a scenario that you are not considering. I have several, and have seen many others with holes punched into, and sometimes nearly through the little iron. I have a perfect example of this I will show when I get my computer back and can post pics. This phenomenon has been observed in SIkhote Alin as well. Perhaps not a complete penetration but big splashes nonetheless. This has happened in Franconia where the irons are tiny and whatever it is that makes these splash forms was able to pass all the way through an already flight oriented meteorite. Sure, it may not be a meteorite, that is understood by me, I'll have it tested if I can. However, I do believe the odds are in favor of SaW 005 being the origin ; ) Humbly Confident Larry Atkins Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: thetop...@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 19:43:04 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8,2010 Test Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 15:25:59 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 Hi Joe, You misunderstood my post. I never said the links were from Larry, the Franconia meteorwrong guy. They're from some other meteorwrong guy. But I guess I can see how you infered that. I was trying to illustrate the point that something found in a known strewn field doth not a meteorite maketh. Phil Whitmer -- Those ebay links you provided were not listed by Larry, the guy who owns the Franconia iron, which I believe could very well be an iron meteorite, but not 100% sure. I have some Franonia irons with odd shapes as well, The roll over lip make me think it could very well be authentic. Also the the raised portion leading up to the hole in the center does not appear to be of even size all the way around, which it would be if it were a button. I think also the size make it a slim chance it is a button. Also the metal around the hole is not uniform and is more flattened and rolled over one one side. Dont think it is a wrong, but like I said I cant be sure, but Larry is a very knowledgeable guy who knows his meteorites, if he says it is a meteorite after having it for a few years and examining it in person, I will take his word for it until proved wrong. If I had to pay cash for it, I may then think about having it examined further. But A great collection piece either way. Best Wishes, Joe Kerchner http://illinoismeteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May8, 2010
Hi, Larry, List, Well, you can only tell so much by looking, either in pictures or in person. It's so tiny that testing must seem certain to destroy it, but I think there's a way. A SEM (Scanning Electron Microscope) Microprobe using the data from the back- scattered electrons can detect and measure the elemental composion of the surface the probe is looking at. In other words, it's possible to determine its composition non-destructively. A tiny scratch down to bare metal and you're there. I have no idea where or who you could get to do it, but in years past, I have heard Listees talking about having it done (or doing it). Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: thetop...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May8, 2010 Hello list, This will be short for now, my computer is in the shop. First, I'm havin fun! Second, I thought it may be a little controversial though it may be a bit more so than I thought. Next I'll say that the object is smaller than might be apparent. I'll show more pictures later. I can say it is smaller than any grommet I've seen. I'll also say that I thought it was a shoe lace eye when I first saw it, it is however too small. It has a rollover lip that curls like a wave nearly all the way around and the hole in the center is blown outward, not very apparent in the image. With all due respect to Sterling and the other nay sayers, let me point out a scenario that you are not considering. I have several, and have seen many others with holes punched into, and sometimes nearly through the little iron. I have a perfect example of this I will show when I get my computer back and can post pics. This phenomenon has been observed in SIkhote Alin as well. Perhaps not a complete penetration but big splashes nonetheless. This has happened in Franconia where the irons are tiny and whatever it is that makes these splash forms was able to pass all the way through an already flight oriented meteorite. Sure, it may not be a meteorite, that is understood by me, I'll have it tested if I can. However, I do believe the odds are in favor of SaW 005 being the origin ; ) Humbly Confident Larry Atkins Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: thetop...@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 19:43:04 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8,2010 Test Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 15:25:59 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 Hi Joe, You misunderstood my post. I never said the links were from Larry, the Franconia meteorwrong guy. They're from some other meteorwrong guy. But I guess I can see how you infered that. I was trying to illustrate the point that something found in a known strewn field doth not a meteorite maketh. Phil Whitmer -- Those ebay links you provided were not listed by Larry, the guy who owns the Franconia iron, which I believe could very well be an iron meteorite, but not 100% sure. I have some Franonia irons with odd shapes as well, The roll over lip make me think it could very well be authentic. Also the the raised portion leading up to the hole in the center does not appear to be of even size all the way around, which it would be if it were a button. I think also the size make it a slim chance it is a button. Also the metal around the hole is not uniform and is more flattened and rolled over one one side. Dont think it is a wrong, but like I said I cant be sure, but Larry is a very knowledgeable guy who knows his meteorites, if he says it is a meteorite after having it for a few years and examining it in person, I will take his word for it until proved wrong. If I had to pay cash for it, I may then think about having it examined further. But A great collection piece either way. Best Wishes, Joe Kerchner http://illinoismeteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010
Hi All I have actually seen hundreds of Franconia irons and have actually walked far more than .well farther than was needed to get my head in the right place. What I see in the picture is a perfect circular line that once went all the way around. What I see is not formed in nature it is made by man, no only by man but by one of his machines.The wave you are referring to was formed through original wear to the item in question. The wear caused the failure of the fastener and allowed you to find it years later. I don't believe it was formed in a train wreck either. Finding someone who has time to do a conclusive test is very unlikely so all you will be left with in the end is a piece of metal your opinion and ours. The bottom line is Larry posted a picture we voiced our opinion on it. No big deal. On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 1:53 PM, thetop...@aol.com wrote: Hello list, This will be short for now, my computer is in the shop. First, I'm havin fun! Second, I thought it may be a little controversial though it may be a bit more so than I thought. Next I'll say that the object is smaller than might be apparent. I'll show more pictures later. I can say it is smaller than any grommet I've seen. I'll also say that I thought it was a shoe lace eye when I first saw it, it is however too small. It has a rollover lip that curls like a wave nearly all the way around and the hole in the center is blown outward, not very apparent in the image. With all due respect to Sterling and the other nay sayers, let me point out a scenario that you are not considering. I have several, and have seen many others with holes punched into, and sometimes nearly through the little iron. I have a perfect example of this I will show when I get my computer back and can post pics. This phenomenon has been observed in SIkhote Alin as well. Perhaps not a complete penetration but big splashes nonetheless. This has happened in Franconia where the irons are tiny and whatever it is that makes these splash forms was able to pass all the way through an already flight oriented meteorite. Sure, it may not be a meteorite, that is understood by me, I'll have it tested if I can. However, I do believe the odds are in favor of SaW 005 being the origin ; ) Humbly Confident Larry Atkins Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: thetop...@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 19:43:04 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8,2010 Test Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 15:25:59 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 Hi Joe, You misunderstood my post. I never said the links were from Larry, the Franconia meteorwrong guy. They're from some other meteorwrong guy. But I guess I can see how you infered that. I was trying to illustrate the point that something found in a known strewn field doth not a meteorite maketh. Phil Whitmer -- Those ebay links you provided were not listed by Larry, the guy who owns the Franconia iron, which I believe could very well be an iron meteorite, but not 100% sure. I have some Franonia irons with odd shapes as well, The roll over lip make me think it could very well be authentic. Also the the raised portion leading up to the hole in the center does not appear to be of even size all the way around, which it would be if it were a button. I think also the size make it a slim chance it is a button. Also the metal around the hole is not uniform and is more flattened and rolled over one one side. Dont think it is a wrong, but like I said I cant be sure, but Larry is a very knowledgeable guy who knows his meteorites, if he says it is a meteorite after having it for a few years and examining it in person, I will take his word for it until proved wrong. If I had to pay cash for it, I may then think about having it examined further. But A great collection piece either way. Best Wishes, Joe Kerchner http://illinoismeteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 www.meteoritefinder.com 928-753-6825 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May8, 2010
Hi Larry, Sterling and List, Sterling raises a great point - you can have this tiny specimen analyzed via non-destructive means. Larry, you should have this object analyzed. If it is meteoritic, then you have a very unique and valuable find, like a miniature Lovinas. Best regards, MikeG On 5/8/10, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hi, Larry, List, Well, you can only tell so much by looking, either in pictures or in person. It's so tiny that testing must seem certain to destroy it, but I think there's a way. A SEM (Scanning Electron Microscope) Microprobe using the data from the back- scattered electrons can detect and measure the elemental composion of the surface the probe is looking at. In other words, it's possible to determine its composition non-destructively. A tiny scratch down to bare metal and you're there. I have no idea where or who you could get to do it, but in years past, I have heard Listees talking about having it done (or doing it). Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: thetop...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May8, 2010 Hello list, This will be short for now, my computer is in the shop. First, I'm havin fun! Second, I thought it may be a little controversial though it may be a bit more so than I thought. Next I'll say that the object is smaller than might be apparent. I'll show more pictures later. I can say it is smaller than any grommet I've seen. I'll also say that I thought it was a shoe lace eye when I first saw it, it is however too small. It has a rollover lip that curls like a wave nearly all the way around and the hole in the center is blown outward, not very apparent in the image. With all due respect to Sterling and the other nay sayers, let me point out a scenario that you are not considering. I have several, and have seen many others with holes punched into, and sometimes nearly through the little iron. I have a perfect example of this I will show when I get my computer back and can post pics. This phenomenon has been observed in SIkhote Alin as well. Perhaps not a complete penetration but big splashes nonetheless. This has happened in Franconia where the irons are tiny and whatever it is that makes these splash forms was able to pass all the way through an already flight oriented meteorite. Sure, it may not be a meteorite, that is understood by me, I'll have it tested if I can. However, I do believe the odds are in favor of SaW 005 being the origin ; ) Humbly Confident Larry Atkins Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: thetop...@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 19:43:04 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8,2010 Test Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 15:25:59 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 Hi Joe, You misunderstood my post. I never said the links were from Larry, the Franconia meteorwrong guy. They're from some other meteorwrong guy. But I guess I can see how you infered that. I was trying to illustrate the point that something found in a known strewn field doth not a meteorite maketh. Phil Whitmer -- Those ebay links you provided were not listed by Larry, the guy who owns the Franconia iron, which I believe could very well be an iron meteorite, but not 100% sure. I have some Franonia irons with odd shapes as well, The roll over lip make me think it could very well be authentic. Also the the raised portion leading up to the hole in the center does not appear to be of even size all the way around, which it would be if it were a button. I think also the size make it a slim chance it is a button. Also the metal around the hole is not uniform and is more flattened and rolled over one one side. Dont think it is a wrong, but like I said I cant be sure, but Larry is a very knowledgeable guy who knows his meteorites, if he says it is a meteorite after having it for a few years and examining it in person, I will take his word for it until proved wrong. If I had to pay cash for it, I may then think about having it examined further. But A great collection piece either way. Best Wishes, Joe Kerchner http://illinoismeteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010
Larry, I thought at the very least you were going to tell us it tested positive for nickel. That is why I mentioned that Levis uses metal with nickel in their buttons but, short of it having nickel most of us would not have even given it a second thought. Sorry. Good luck getting it tested. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax thetop...@aol.com wrote: Hello list, This will be short for now, my computer is in the shop. First, I'm havin fun! Second, I thought it may be a little controversial though it may be a bit more so than I thought. Next I'll say that the object is smaller than might be apparent. I'll show more pictures later. I can say it is smaller than any grommet I've seen. I'll also say that I thought it was a shoe lace eye when I first saw it, it is however too small. It has a rollover lip that curls like a wave nearly all the way around and the hole in the center is blown outward, not very apparent in the image. With all due respect to Sterling and the other nay sayers, let me point out a scenario that you are not considering. I have several, and have seen many others with holes punched into, and sometimes nearly through the little iron. I have a perfect example of this I will show when I get my computer back and can post pics. This phenomenon has been observed in SIkhote Alin as well. Perhaps not a complete penetration but big splashes nonetheless. This has happened in Franconia where the irons are tiny and whatever it is that makes these splash forms was able to pass all the way through an already flight oriented meteorite. Sure, it may not be a meteorite, that is understood by me, I'll have it tested if I can. However, I do believe the odds are in favor of SaW 005 being the origin ; ) Humbly Confident Larry Atkins Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: thetop...@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 19:43:04 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8,2010 Test Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 15:25:59 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 Hi Joe, You misunderstood my post. I never said the links were from Larry, the Franconia meteorwrong guy. They're from some other meteorwrong guy. But I guess I can see how you infered that. I was trying to illustrate the point that something found in a known strewn field doth not a meteorite maketh. Phil Whitmer -- Those ebay links you provided were not listed by Larry, the guy who owns the Franconia iron, which I believe could very well be an iron meteorite, but not 100% sure. I have some Franonia irons with odd shapes as well, The roll over lip make me think it could very well be authentic. Also the the raised portion leading up to the hole in the center does not appear to be of even size all the way around, which it would be if it were a button. I think also the size make it a slim chance it is a button. Also the metal around the hole is not uniform and is more flattened and rolled over one one side. Dont think it is a wrong, but like I said I cant be sure, but Larry is a very knowledgeable guy who knows his meteorites, if he says it is a meteorite after having it for a few years and examining it in person, I will take his word for it until proved wrong. If I had to pay cash for it, I may then think about having it examined further. But A great collection piece either way. Best Wishes, Joe Kerchner http://illinoismeteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May8, 2010
Hi Sterling, Larry,, There should be plenty of universities over there willing to have a go at that. I have access to one over here at a small local uni who are always willing to let me put samples through. Graham, UK Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hi, Larry, List, Well, you can only tell so much by looking, either in pictures or in person. It's so tiny that testing must seem certain to destroy it, but I think there's a way. A SEM (Scanning Electron Microscope) Microprobe using the data from the back- scattered electrons can detect and measure the elemental composion of the surface the probe is looking at. In other words, it's possible to determine its composition non-destructively. A tiny scratch down to bare metal and you're there. I have no idea where or who you could get to do it, but in years past, I have heard Listees talking about having it done (or doing it). Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: thetop...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May8, 2010 Hello list, This will be short for now, my computer is in the shop. First, I'm havin fun! Second, I thought it may be a little controversial though it may be a bit more so than I thought. Next I'll say that the object is smaller than might be apparent. I'll show more pictures later. I can say it is smaller than any grommet I've seen. I'll also say that I thought it was a shoe lace eye when I first saw it, it is however too small. It has a rollover lip that curls like a wave nearly all the way around and the hole in the center is blown outward, not very apparent in the image. With all due respect to Sterling and the other nay sayers, let me point out a scenario that you are not considering. I have several, and have seen many others with holes punched into, and sometimes nearly through the little iron. I have a perfect example of this I will show when I get my computer back and can post pics. This phenomenon has been observed in SIkhote Alin as well. Perhaps not a complete penetration but big splashes nonetheless. This has happened in Franconia where the irons are tiny and whatever it is that makes these splash forms was able to pass all the way through an already flight oriented meteorite. Sure, it may not be a meteorite, that is understood by me, I'll have it tested if I can. However, I do believe the odds are in favor of SaW 005 being the origin ; ) Humbly Confident Larry Atkins Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: thetop...@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 19:43:04 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8,2010 Test Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 15:25:59 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 Hi Joe, You misunderstood my post. I never said the links were from Larry, the Franconia meteorwrong guy. They're from some other meteorwrong guy. But I guess I can see how you infered that. I was trying to illustrate the point that something found in a known strewn field doth not a meteorite maketh. Phil Whitmer -- Those ebay links you provided were not listed by Larry, the guy who owns the Franconia iron, which I believe could very well be an iron meteorite, but not 100% sure. I have some Franonia irons with odd shapes as well, The roll over lip make me think it could very well be authentic. Also the the raised portion leading up to the hole in the center does not appear to be of even size all the way around, which it would be if it were a button. I think also the size make it a slim chance it is a button. Also the metal around the hole is not uniform and is more flattened and rolled over one one side. Dont think it is a wrong, but like I said I cant be sure, but Larry is a very knowledgeable guy who knows his meteorites, if he says it is a meteorite after having it for a few years and examining it in person, I will take his word for it until proved wrong. If I had to pay cash for it, I may then think about having it examined further. But A great collection piece either way. Best Wishes, Joe Kerchner http://illinoismeteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010
posting a wrong as the RFSPOD Best Wishes, Joe Kerchner http://illinoismeteorites.com http://skyrockcafe.com - Original Message From: Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 4:25:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 On Sat, 8 May 2010 12:17:38 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: if he says it is a meteorite after having it for a few years and examining it in person, FWIW, the caption says that it was found in April, 2010 (didn't say if it was on the 1st) so it falls short of a few years yet. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010
Hi Larry and list, These little SaW 005 individuals are really unique and interesting(the only one of 5 meteorites classified as H-metal that is not Antarctic). Most are irregular in shape and pretty variable in their morphology. At the last Tucson show Keith Jenkerson and I had a blast looking at some of Larry Sloan's large collection material under the microscope in Ken and Dana's room. Many have round pits up to a few MM across that I was attributing to impacts but I like Ken's idea that these are impressions of chondrules left in the metal when the rock was disrupted. Ken found at least one that was a perfect little bullet with flow lines and I think I have one that is similar though not as nice as Ken's. I'll see if I can find it and try to photgraph it. These would imply to me that at least some tiny pieces might have been shaped in flight in a partially molten state. I wouldn't be at all shocked if Larry's find turns out to be the real deal. Regards, Jim Baxter - Original Message - From: thetop...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2010 1:53:04 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 Hello list, This will be short for now, my computer is in the shop. First, I'm havin fun! Second, I thought it may be a little controversial though it may be a bit more so than I thought. Next I'll say that the object is smaller than might be apparent. I'll show more pictures later. I can say it is smaller than any grommet I've seen. I'll also say that I thought it was a shoe lace eye when I first saw it, it is however too small. It has a rollover lip that curls like a wave nearly all the way around and the hole in the center is blown outward, not very apparent in the image. With all due respect to Sterling and the other nay sayers, let me point out a scenario that you are not considering. I have several, and have seen many others with holes punched into, and sometimes nearly through the little iron. I have a perfect example of this I will show when I get my computer back and can post pics. This phenomenon has been observed in SIkhote Alin as well. Perhaps not a complete penetration but big splashes nonetheless. This has happened in Franconia where the irons are tiny and whatever it is that makes these splash forms was able to pass all the way through an already flight oriented meteorite. Sure, it may not be a meteorite, that is understood by me, I'll have it tested if I can. However, I do believe the odds are in favor of SaW 005 being the origin ; ) Humbly Confident Larry Atkins Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: thetop...@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 19:43:04 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8,2010 Test Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 15:25:59 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 Hi Joe, You misunderstood my post. I never said the links were from Larry, the Franconia meteorwrong guy. They're from some other meteorwrong guy. But I guess I can see how you infered that. I was trying to illustrate the point that something found in a known strewn field doth not a meteorite maketh. Phil Whitmer -- Those ebay links you provided were not listed by Larry, the guy who owns the Franconia iron, which I believe could very well be an iron meteorite, but not 100% sure. I have some Franonia irons with odd shapes as well, The roll over lip make me think it could very well be authentic. Also the the raised portion leading up to the hole in the center does not appear to be of even size all the way around, which it would be if it were a button. I think also the size make it a slim chance it is a button. Also the metal around the hole is not uniform and is more flattened and rolled over one one side. Dont think it is a wrong, but like I said I cant be sure, but Larry is a very knowledgeable guy who knows his meteorites, if he says it is a meteorite after having it for a few years and examining it in person, I will take his word for it until proved wrong. If I had to pay cash for it, I may then think about having it examined further. But A great collection piece either way. Best Wishes, Joe Kerchner http://illinoismeteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May8, 2010
This is a nice example of franconian on ebay now. Can't use this one to tie a tarp either. lol http://cgi.ebay.com/Franconia-Meteorite-14-7-grams-/180504286442?cmd=ViewItempt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2a06e4d4ea Warren Sansoucie Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 00:43:04 +0100 From: ensorama...@ntlworld.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; thetop...@aol.com; sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May8, 2010 Hi Sterling, Larry,, There should be plenty of universities over there willing to have a go at that. I have access to one over here at a small local uni who are always willing to let me put samples through. Graham, UK Sterling K. Webb wrote: Hi, Larry, List, Well, you can only tell so much by looking, either in pictures or in person. It's so tiny that testing must seem certain to destroy it, but I think there's a way. A SEM (Scanning Electron Microscope) Microprobe using the data from the back- scattered electrons can detect and measure the elemental composion of the surface the probe is looking at. In other words, it's possible to determine its composition non-destructively. A tiny scratch down to bare metal and you're there. I have no idea where or who you could get to do it, but in years past, I have heard Listees talking about having it done (or doing it). Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May8, 2010 Hello list, This will be short for now, my computer is in the shop. First, I'm havin fun! Second, I thought it may be a little controversial though it may be a bit more so than I thought. Next I'll say that the object is smaller than might be apparent. I'll show more pictures later. I can say it is smaller than any grommet I've seen. I'll also say that I thought it was a shoe lace eye when I first saw it, it is however too small. It has a rollover lip that curls like a wave nearly all the way around and the hole in the center is blown outward, not very apparent in the image. With all due respect to Sterling and the other nay sayers, let me point out a scenario that you are not considering. I have several, and have seen many others with holes punched into, and sometimes nearly through the little iron. I have a perfect example of this I will show when I get my computer back and can post pics. This phenomenon has been observed in SIkhote Alin as well. Perhaps not a complete penetration but big splashes nonetheless. This has happened in Franconia where the irons are tiny and whatever it is that makes these splash forms was able to pass all the way through an already flight oriented meteorite. Sure, it may not be a meteorite, that is understood by me, I'll have it tested if I can. However, I do believe the odds are in favor of SaW 005 being the origin ; ) Humbly Confident Larry Atkins Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: thetop...@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 19:43:04 To: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8,2010 Test Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: JoshuaTreeMuseum Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 15:25:59 To: Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 Hi Joe, You misunderstood my post. I never said the links were from Larry, the Franconia meteorwrong guy. They're from some other meteorwrong guy. But I guess I can see how you infered that. I was trying to illustrate the point that something found in a known strewn field doth not a meteorite maketh. Phil Whitmer -- Those ebay links you provided were not listed by Larry, the guy who owns the Franconia iron, which I believe could very well be an iron meteorite, but not 100% sure. I have some Franonia irons with odd shapes as well, The roll over lip make me think it could very well be authentic. Also the the raised portion leading up to the hole in the center does not appear to be of even size all the way around, which it would be if it were a button. I think also the size make it a slim chance it is a button. Also the metal around the hole is not uniform and is more flattened and rolled over one one side. Dont think it is a wrong, but like I said I cant be sure, but Larry is a very knowledgeable guy who knows his meteorites, if he says it is a meteorite after having it for a few years and examining it in person, I will take his word for it until proved wrong. If I had to pay cash for it, I may then think about having it examined further. But A great collection piece either way. Best Wishes, Joe Kerchner http://illinoismeteorites.com
[meteorite-list] Fw: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 16, 2010
Congratulations Mike! What a spectacular find! It looks like it is going to be an absoulte beauty when cut. Jack - Forwarded Message From: Michael Johnson mich...@rocksfromspace.org To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 5:35:52 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 16, 2010 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_16_2010.html --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 16, 2010
Trade ya! :0) Congrats Mike... Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: Jack Schrader schrad...@rocketmail.com Sent: Mar 16, 2010 5:19 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Michael Farmer meteoritehun...@comcast.net Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 16, 2010 Congratulations Mike! What a spectacular find! It looks like it is going to be an absoulte beauty when cut. Jack - Forwarded Message From: Michael Johnson mich...@rocksfromspace.org To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 5:35:52 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 16, 2010 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_16_2010.html --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Rocks From Space
from Bernd: Alan wrote: I have noticed that the price for Rocks from Space: Meteorites and Meteorite Hunters book has increased by a 1000% in the past couple weeks. I remember seeing it priced at $27 new and now its priced at $233 on Amazon.com new. I guess it's time for me to get a copy before it's at $1,000. http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0878423737/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8condition=new Hi Alan and List, So you had better hurry up before it's too late. Maybe you can get one ofAnne's copies. This book is a must-have, a must-read. It paved the way for so many of us!I have three copies in my bookcase (No, none are for sale!) and my hard-cover versionis even signed by our late O.R. Norton and Dorothy Sigler Norton. Best wishes from a snow shoveling, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Rocks From Space
I also have two copies of Rocks from Space. A hard copy signed by O. Richard Norton along with a nice note expressing appreciation for an invitation to speak at one of our Spectroscopy Society of Pittsburgh meetings in 2002. And, I have a paperback signed by Richard and Dorothy - which also has a note and signature by one Michael Casper, dated 28, Aug. 98!!! (Michael gave that book to me when I met him at a mineral show at the Pittsburgh Carnegie Museum of Natural History in 1998.) Dave --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Larry Twink Monrad larrytwinkmon...@comcast.net wrote: From: Larry Twink Monrad larrytwinkmon...@comcast.net Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Rocks From Space To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 5:21 PM from Bernd: Alan wrote: I have noticed that the price for Rocks from Space: Meteorites and Meteorite Hunters book has increased by a 1000% in the past couple weeks. I remember seeing it priced at $27 new and now its priced at $233 on Amazon.com new. I guess it's time for me to get a copy before it's at $1,000. http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0878423737/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8condition=new Hi Alan and List, So you had better hurry up before it's too late. Maybe you can get one ofAnne's copies. This book is a must-have, a must-read. It paved the way for so many of us!I have three copies in my bookcase (No, none are for sale!) and my hard-cover versionis even signed by our late O.R. Norton and Dorothy Sigler Norton. Best wishes from a snow shoveling, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Rocks From Space
Bernd and Listerites, I was able to put a hold on Rocks From Space: Meteorites and Meteorite Hunters for $32 New, and it seems the book store still has more copies in stock at that location. When I am done with work tomorrow ill jump on the train and pick up my copy before I head to the gym. Shawn Alan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Rocks From Space
Hi All, I have a source for the second ed. of Rock from Space. I can get a few copies for $30 plus $5 shipping if anyone is interested. Email me off list. Best, Martin On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Bernd and Listerites, I was able to put a hold on Rocks From Space: Meteorites and Meteorite Hunters for $32 New, and it seems the book store still has more copies in stock at that location. When I am done with work tomorrow ill jump on the train and pick up my copy before I head to the gym. Shawn Alan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Rocks From Space
I just checked Borders on line and they have paperback copies for $32.00. Dave --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Rocks From Space To: larrytwinkmon...@comcast.ent Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 6:36 PM Bernd and Listerites, I was able to put a hold on Rocks From Space: Meteorites and Meteorite Hunters for $32 New, and it seems the book store still has more copies in stock at that location. When I am done with work tomorrow ill jump on the train and pick up my copy before I head to the gym. Shawn Alan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - December 20, 2008
Nice to see Patricia again, Tim, and you have a beautiful daughter. Congrats on what has obviously been the successful launch of that exhibit...just FANTASTIC! Dave www.fallingrocks.com -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Johnson Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 12:12 PM To: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - December 20, 2008 http://www.meteorman.org/Mars_LED.htm Michael Johnson http://www.rocksfromspace.org - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 10:18:48 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - December 20, 2008 But no information! What Mars rock, where at? Mike --- On Sat, 12/20/08, Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - December 20, 2008 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 8:08 AM Really the best presentation of a Martian to public I ever saw. My respect! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael Johnson Gesendet: Samstag, 20. Dezember 2008 14:36 An: Meteorite List Betreff: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - December 20,2008 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/December_20_2008.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day / NWA 4024
Winonaites are composed largely of fine-grained pyroxenes, minor magnesium-rich olivine, the iron-sulfide troilite, and nickel-iron metal. The total iron content ranges between 18% and 30% among members of this group, possibly a factor of the close relationship that exists between the winonaites and silicate inclusions in IAB iron meteorites. These silicate inclusions are very similar to the winonaites in chemistry and mineralogy, and they exhibit the same unique oxygen isotopic composition. Recent research suggests that both the winonaites and IAB irons originated on the same parent body - a partially differentiated asteroid that was disrupted just as it began to form an iron core and a silicate-rich crust. This disrupting impact mixed silicates into molten nickel-iron forming the silicated IAB irons, and mixed olivine-rich residues of partial melts into unmelted silicates, forming the winonaites. http://www.meteorite.fr/en/classification/PAC-group.htm In any case it will be necessary to wait until an exact analysis and classification will reveal whether both aspects - winonaite / silicated iron (IAB) - can be identified with one and the same meteorite. Best, Matthias - Original Message - From: Matthias Bärmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Razvan Andrei [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 1:29 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day / NWA 4024 Hello Andrei, I'm not sure but as far as I remember exactly this question was - and perhaps still is - in discussion in regard to Winona and Canyon Diablo. My best, Matthias - Original Message - From: Razvan Andrei [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day / NWA 4024 Hi list I wonder where is the line between a high metal winonaite and a silicated iron as in some irons, the silicate inclusions are winonaitic. Maybe analyses made on a piece where silicates are dominant can give a winonaite classification and on other pieces of the same fall with dominant iron can give an iron classification ? I'm asking because I have some pieces of NWA 4024 with silicates and some without, only irons, and recently I cut some small iron meteorites from Morocco and found them very similar with the irons from NWA 4024. Shall I call them irons ? or metal inclusions from a W chondrite ? Best Regards, Andrei - Original Message - From: Peter Marmet [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteoritenliste Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day / NWA 4024 Hello All, http://www.rocksfromspace.org/February_24_2008.html We have several pieces of very likely the same meteorite. First we thought it might be paired with NWA 2680. Further analyses at the Nat. Hist. Museum in Bern showed that this is not the case: Ni 8.58 und 7.82 % (NWA 2680: 13.7%) Co 0.47 und 0.46 % (NWA 2680: 0.54%) Cu 10 ppm (NWA 2680: 548 ppm) Ni and Cu contents show that our material is very likely not paired with NWA 2680. Then we saw high res. picts of NWA 4024 and noticed that our material looks visually identical to NWA 4024. We sold several pieces on ebay as new iron last year. Unfortunately the museum in Bern could not classify our material, so we sent 25 grams to Dr. Greshake in Berlin. To be sure that it is the same material as NWA 4024, he suggested to make an O-Isotope analysis which he can't do himself but scientifists in England he is working with. But it seems that our material is right at the bottom of the priority list of these English scientists - so we have to be patient. As soon we have the results from England, we will inform you and put some of our material on ebay again. For those who already have bought from our material and are waiting for the final resultsthank you for being so patient! Peter Peter Marmet Bern, Switzerland IMCA #2747 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/ ebay: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpema9 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ___ Vodafone scaneaza automat toate mesajele impotriva virusilor folosind Trend Micro VirusWall. Vodafone automatically scans all messages for viruses using Trend Micro VirusWall. ___ Nota: Este posibil ca produsul Trend Micro VirusWall sa nu detecteze toti virusii noi sau toate variantele lor. Va rugam sa luati in considerare ca exista un risc de fiecare data cind deschideti fisiere atasate si ca Vodafone Romania nu este responsabila pentru orice prejudiciu cauzat de decizia dvs. Disclaimer: It is possible
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day / NWA 4024
Matthias, Thank you for this update. Very interesting. Do you know if anyone is currently studying the winonaite / silicated iron relationship? Udei Station is one meteorite that could be involved. Cheers! Mike Tettenborn - Original Message - From: Matthias Bärmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Razvan Andrei [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 8:18 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day / NWA 4024 Winonaites are composed largely of fine-grained pyroxenes, minor magnesium-rich olivine, the iron-sulfide troilite, and nickel-iron metal. The total iron content ranges between 18% and 30% among members of this group, possibly a factor of the close relationship that exists between the winonaites and silicate inclusions in IAB iron meteorites. These silicate inclusions are very similar to the winonaites in chemistry and mineralogy, and they exhibit the same unique oxygen isotopic composition. Recent research suggests that both the winonaites and IAB irons originated on the same parent body - a partially differentiated asteroid that was disrupted just as it began to form an iron core and a silicate-rich crust. This disrupting impact mixed silicates into molten nickel-iron forming the silicated IAB irons, and mixed olivine-rich residues of partial melts into unmelted silicates, forming the winonaites. http://www.meteorite.fr/en/classification/PAC-group.htm In any case it will be necessary to wait until an exact analysis and classification will reveal whether both aspects - winonaite / silicated iron (IAB) - can be identified with one and the same meteorite. Best, Matthias - Original Message - From: Matthias Bärmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Razvan Andrei [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 1:29 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day / NWA 4024 Hello Andrei, I'm not sure but as far as I remember exactly this question was - and perhaps still is - in discussion in regard to Winona and Canyon Diablo. My best, Matthias - Original Message - From: Razvan Andrei [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day / NWA 4024 Hi list I wonder where is the line between a high metal winonaite and a silicated iron as in some irons, the silicate inclusions are winonaitic. Maybe analyses made on a piece where silicates are dominant can give a winonaite classification and on other pieces of the same fall with dominant iron can give an iron classification ? I'm asking because I have some pieces of NWA 4024 with silicates and some without, only irons, and recently I cut some small iron meteorites from Morocco and found them very similar with the irons from NWA 4024. Shall I call them irons ? or metal inclusions from a W chondrite ? Best Regards, Andrei - Original Message - From: Peter Marmet [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteoritenliste Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day / NWA 4024 Hello All, http://www.rocksfromspace.org/February_24_2008.html We have several pieces of very likely the same meteorite. First we thought it might be paired with NWA 2680. Further analyses at the Nat. Hist. Museum in Bern showed that this is not the case: Ni 8.58 und 7.82 % (NWA 2680: 13.7%) Co 0.47 und 0.46 % (NWA 2680: 0.54%) Cu 10 ppm (NWA 2680: 548 ppm) Ni and Cu contents show that our material is very likely not paired with NWA 2680. Then we saw high res. picts of NWA 4024 and noticed that our material looks visually identical to NWA 4024. We sold several pieces on ebay as new iron last year. Unfortunately the museum in Bern could not classify our material, so we sent 25 grams to Dr. Greshake in Berlin. To be sure that it is the same material as NWA 4024, he suggested to make an O-Isotope analysis which he can't do himself but scientifists in England he is working with. But it seems that our material is right at the bottom of the priority list of these English scientists - so we have to be patient. As soon we have the results from England, we will inform you and put some of our material on ebay again. For those who already have bought from our material and are waiting for the final resultsthank you for being so patient! Peter Peter Marmet Bern, Switzerland IMCA #2747 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/ ebay: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpema9 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ___ Vodafone scaneaza automat toate mesajele impotriva virusilor folosind Trend
[meteorite-list] Fw: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - December 11, 2007
That's a very interesting photo that Andreas posted. Thanks! I originally fell into meteorite collecting by first collecting autographs of famous scientists. It's kind of a long story, but in any event, I have a few letters, some of which were written by Brezina, Berwerth, Daubree, Lacroix, and Rosenbusch that deal with or mention meteorites. And yes, I do have some meteorite samples in my collection! Anybody else collect old meteorite-related letters in addition to meteorite samples? Thanks again for the nice photo. Really enjoyed seeing it. Mark - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:51 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - December 11,2007 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/December_11_2007.html **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
