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[meteorite-list] Kem Kem Meteorites - What the heck are they?

2014-05-29 Thread Bernd V. Pauli via Meteorite-list

More meteorites from the *Kem Kem* region detected in my database:

NWA 001 - NWA 032 - NWA 050 - NWA 051 - NWA 052
NWA 752 - NWA 753 - NWA 755 - NWA 1198 - NWA 2096
NWA 4051

Cheers,

Bernd


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[meteorite-list] Kem Kem Meteorites - What the heck are they?

2014-05-29 Thread Bernd V. Pauli via Meteorite-list

MikeG wrote:

I did some extensive browsing through the List archives while trying
to figure out exactly who/where the so-called "Kem Kem" meteorites
originate from.

The answer may be that Kem Kem is the name of a region where NWA
meteorites have been found.

MikeG also wrote:

Some say that Kem Kem is a synonym for at least two different
NWAxxx meteorites, including an L-chondrite and a R-chondrite.

I found "Kem Kem" even four times in my database:

NWA 0032 (LUN-B) was found west of the
Kem Kem plateau (MetBull. 84, 2000, Aug).

NWA 0753 (R3.9) was probably found in the
Kem Kem region (MetBull. 85, 2001, Sep).

NWA 0755 (R3.7) was probably found in the
Kem Kem region (MetBull. 85, 2001, Sep).

NWA 2096 (L3) Possible origin Kem Kem (Met.Bull. 88, A248).

Moreover there is a eucrite (NWA 4051) from the "Kem Kem Basin", Algeria.

Well, now back to MikeG's problem. Michael Casper might have some
pertinent background info because he was the first to offer Kem Kem
in his sales catalog (13 December 1999) on page 14:

KEM KEM. Found August, 1999. Stone. Classification
pending. Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco.

The smallest fragment he offered weighed 22.4 gr and the
largest 153.6 gr but he added that he had more available.

Best wishes from Germany where
we are having "Father's Day",

Bernd



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[meteorite-list] Kem Kem Meteorites - What the heck are they?

2014-05-28 Thread Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list

Hi List,

I did some extensive browsing through the List archives while trying
to figure out exactly who/where the so-called "Kem Kem" meteorites
originate from.  I found much info, but much of it was contradictory.
Some say that Kem Kem is a synonym for at least two different NWA
meteorites, including an L-chondrite and a R-chondrite.  There is
little mention of subsequent Kem Kem finds that are unofficially
numbered by dealers (ex - Kem Kem 3).

I just purchased a small sample of a meteorite sold as "Kem Kem 3".
The seller offered little info, other than the meteorite was purchased
from Geoff Notkin and was found in 1998 in Africa.

Have any of these Kem Kem meteorites been officially classified?  If
so, what are the NWA numbers of these?  I plan on breaking up this
sample into smaller micromounts, and I am wondering how I should label
them.  Should I just put "unclassified" for the type?

Best regards,

MikeG

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[meteorite-list] Kem Kem - So it's basically a catchall and could be anything?

2009-08-15 Thread Galactic Stone & Ironworks

Hi List,

For those of us quietly following the Kem Kem hootnanny from the
peanut gallery, I'd like to ask if the summary below is correct
(essentially) -

A specimen sold as "Kem Kem" could be just about anything from a H
chondrite to a R chondrite?  So as far as official nomenclature is
concerned, Kem Kem is strictly a geographic place (where meteorites
are found/bought) and not a reference to particular find, fall, or
petrologic type?

Are there any other synonyms or catch-all names like this in use?  I
heard that El Hammami had once been used in this manner, to a lesser
degree.  Is this true?

Best regards and clear skies,

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Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem

2009-08-15 Thread Jeff Grossman


Carl 's wrote:


So far there are NWA 001, 052, 753 & 755 with the pseudonym of Kem Kem. 
Anymore? should be at least one more with a H5(?) classification (Brian 
Cox/PlanetBrey),but probably many more. Interesting topic.
  

Also NWA 1198, 2096.  In addition NWA 2813, 2814, 4051 were purchased in
Kem Kem.

Provisional data for NWA 268-277 say they originated in Kem Kem
(purchased by Dean Bessey in Denver prior to Dec 2000).  These remain
unclassified.  Casper meteorites?

jeff


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Re: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for NWA

2009-08-15 Thread Jeff Grossman

hem, there were no synonyms to 
publish, assuming they eventually became NWAs.


jeff


Jeff

At 01:02 AM 8/10/2009, Jason Utas wrote:


Dirk, Brian, All,
This came up on the list a while back; from what I understood, Casper
sold those as well as a number of other stones under that name around
that time, and only classified one stone, before grouping a number of
similar-looking meteorites together under that name (I believe the
mentality was that of the meteorite-world pior to the NWA rush, where
not every piece had to be classified to verify its composition).  And
while not every piece does have to be classified in many cases, this,
I believe, was a situation in which things were not made certain.  I
never got the catalog at the time, bit I do recall there being some
consternation as meteorites were being misclassified/misnamed.
Hence the confusion, as the name applies to a number of late 1990's
NWA meteorites which came out of the area via Casper.  I might only
call it a generic name at this point because it is a name that applies
to a number of petrographically distinct meteorites.  Single name,
unknown number of meteorites.  I don't know if it quite fits the
definition of the word "generic," but if it doesn't, it's not far off.
Regards,
Jason

On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 9:52 PM, drtanuki wrote:
  

Dear Brian and List,
 Brian your are incorrect in your history lesson.
 Michael Casper announced in his December 1999 catalogue that "a 

new find out of Morocco- Kem-Kem" was "Found in August, 1999. 
Stone. Classification pending. Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco".  Casper`s 
catalogue lists:
  

22.4g @ $44.80;
26.9g@ $53.80
31.5g@ $63.00
33.5g@ $67.00
41.0g@ $82.00
46.8g@ $93.60
53.2g@ $106.40
58.6g@ $117.20
67.4g@ $134.80
70.0g@ $140.00
83.1g@ $166.20
114.9g@ $229.80
153.6g@ $307.20

In the same catalogue, he (Casper) has a multi-kilo piece 

photographed, which I purchased.  Kem-Kem was NOT a catch-all term 
for the meteorites of NWA (Moroc/Algeria) at the time, as you wrote.
  
 So please do not confuse the messy history of the NWAs by 


INCORRECTLY calling Kem-Kem the orginal generic name before NWAs.
  
 I was in Morocco in December 2000- January 2001 for six weeks 

and at Kem-Kem prior/during the sale of NWA482 in the year of the 
planetary alignment and eclipse... there were UK-Euro-hippies by 
the busloads for the huge festival and arrested development.
  
The only great "hunter" that I ran into while I was there was 

Dean Bessey in his Fiat at Merzouga (he dismounted his for shade); 
prior to Bessey Specks perhaps not?
  
Missed seeing Mike Farmer, Strope and others; but, I did spot a 

mad German or Austrian at the petrol stop during the heat of the 
day. Also missed the Great Habibi!
  
When in Erfoud don`t miss out on the daily variety of Targine 


beef, mutton or chicken and 30 glasses of mint tea.
  
 At the end of six weeks of wearing Berber you will be 

blue...Idir met Idir et Kem-Kem!  Truly an awesome experience to be 
at Kem-Kem at SunSet on top of a tall hill and watch the winter shadows fall.
  
 Forget the Berber Shave and stick with Burma Shave if you are 


searchingforfun.
  

 Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo




--- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brian Cox  wrote:



From: Brian Cox 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name 
  

before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites
  

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM
Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem
Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey
meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that
was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from
our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members
for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites.

I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey
just now  in this auction.


  

http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef77f042f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14
  


Thanks, and clear happy meteorite filled skies tonight!

Brian

IMCA # 6387

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Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem

2009-08-15 Thread Jeff Grossman


Carl 's wrote:


So far there are NWA 001, 052, 753 & 755 with the pseudonym of Kem Kem. 
Anymore? should be at least one more with a H5(?) classification (Brian 
Cox/PlanetBrey),but probably many more. Interesting topic.
  
Also NWA 1198, 2096.  In addition NWA 2813, 2814, 4051 were purchased in 
Kem Kem.


Provisional data for NWA 268-277 say they originated in Kem Kem 
(purchased by Dean Bessey in Denver prior to Dec 2000).  These remain 
unclassified.  Casper meteorites?


jeff


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Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem

2009-08-14 Thread Brian Cox


Eric and John,

Hi Eric, thanks for the information that you gave on Michael Casper's email 
and John you are right, I think it's great that Eric still had that 
information after all these years. I keep learning more and more about the 
Kem Kem story. I never met Michael Casper, but I've learned more about him 
over the past three days than I  ever knew and it has sparked interest in my 
ebay Kem Kem auction since over 100 people have looked at the auction over 
the past few days..


Thanks again,

Brian

IMCA #6387

searchingforfun is my ebay User Id

Message: 12
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:23:02 -0700
From: John Gwilliam 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem
To: Eric Twelker
,meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Message-ID:
<20090815002314.ffod11920.fed1rmmtao103.cox@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

Thanks to Eric for saving 10 year old e-correspondence!  It's pretty
obvious to me that this is a prime example of how the "mix-up" of the
African desert material got started.  Just my opinion though.

John Gwilliam

At 02:35 PM 8/14/2009, Eric Twelker wrote:

FWIW
Eric Twelker

Begin forwarded message:


Resent-From: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
From: "Michael Casper" 
Date: September 14, 1999 7:37:25 AM GMT-08:00
To: 
Subject: *  SALE  *  KEN KEN, DAHARA, MOROCCO  *  SALE
Reply-To: 

LIVE FROM DENVER!

We just secured a load (75KG) of a new find!

Ken Ken, Dahara, Morocco
Found August 1999
4 different meteorites found within 10km

This is a brand new find and is 4 different types. Looks like
H 5 and  L 6 or maybe BETTER! This load was foun over several
weeks of searching by aproximately 500 folks of "the berber tribe".j

Here is the deal! I  will sell no less than 2.5 KG @ $.40 per gram.
That is $1000.00 MINIMUM ORDER. I will ship overnight if payment
is MC/VISA.

Included in each shipment will be some of each of 4 different
meteorites.

Michael


Casper Meteorites, Inc.
P. O. Drawer J
Ithaca, New York  14851
USA
607-257-5349 (phone)
607-266-7904 (fax)
email: cas...@meteorites.com
<http://www.meteorites.com>

Jeff Grossman  a ??crit??:



The Kem Kem meteorites from Casper were a trigger for the NomCom
approving the NWA designation, which was my coinage in January 2000.
 But to really understand the history, you need to go back a few
years earlier, to El Hammami (aka Hamada du Draa), which was the
first case for which the NomCom became aware that meteorites were
being transported and sold in this region.  With this history, plus
a series of inquiries from other dealers about the Kem Kem
meteorites, compounded by our inability to learn many details about
those meteorites from Casper, we needed to take action of some kind.
 We decided on a generic term, Northwest Africa, that could be
applied as a "tracking" label to all stones, even ones that had not
been classified, so that individual meteorites would not be divided
and sold under multiple names.  We also had no ability to
investigate multiple vague or anonymous claims about meteorite
provenance in the region.  Thus it was decided that all of these
meteorites would be named NWA, even those that had been classified.
I'm not sure what ever happened to the Kem Kems that triggered the
whole thing.  Since I don't think Casper ever numbered them, there
were no synonyms to publish, assuming they eventually became NWAs.

jeff

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:55:00 -0500
From: "Brian Cox" 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem, the original "GENERIC"  name
for NWAs, Northwest African meteorites
To: 
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

Hi Jeff,

Thank you very much for your explanation of Kem Kem and the NomCom approving
the NWA designation because of all the confusion and the situation of all
the meteorites coming out of the region.

Thank you for mentioning that you and NomCom decided on "A Generic Term"
Northwest Africa, that could be applied as a "Tracking" label to all stones.

I really appreciate your explanation.

All the best!

Brian
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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 03:18:03 -0500
From: "Brian Cox" 
Subject: [meteorite-list]  Kem-Kem, the original "GENERIC"  name for
NWAs, Northwest African meteorites
To: 
Message-ID: <19bb00a135df4df1b932dc9b07abf...@user6e6e286533>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response

Jeff,

Thanks again for your time and for bringing more light to the subject of the
origination of the names, NWA and Kem Kem. You mentioned about where the Kem
Kems went to and I forgot to mention that I have a piece of Kem Kem that I
purchased back when Planet Brey meteorites got specimens of Kem Kem and I
have it on ebay and if you want to

Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem

2009-08-14 Thread John Gwilliam

Thanks to Eric for saving 10 year old e-correspondence!  It's pretty 
obvious to me that this is a prime example of how the "mix-up" of the 
African desert material got started.  Just my opinion though.


John Gwilliam

At 02:35 PM 8/14/2009, Eric Twelker wrote:

FWIW
Eric Twelker

Begin forwarded message:


Resent-From: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
From: "Michael Casper" 
Date: September 14, 1999 7:37:25 AM GMT-08:00
To: 
Subject: *  SALE  *  KEN KEN, DAHARA, MOROCCO  *  SALE
Reply-To: 

LIVE FROM DENVER!

We just secured a load (75KG) of a new find!

Ken Ken, Dahara, Morocco
Found August 1999
4 different meteorites found within 10km

This is a brand new find and is 4 different types. Looks like
H 5 and  L 6 or maybe BETTER! This load was foun over several
weeks of searching by aproximately 500 folks of "the berber tribe".j

Here is the deal! I  will sell no less than 2.5 KG @ $.40 per gram.
That is $1000.00 MINIMUM ORDER. I will ship overnight if payment
is MC/VISA.

Included in each shipment will be some of each of 4 different
meteorites.

Michael


Casper Meteorites, Inc.
P. O. Drawer J
Ithaca, New York  14851
USA
607-257-5349 (phone)
607-266-7904 (fax)
email: cas...@meteorites.com


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Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem

2009-08-14 Thread Eric Twelker

FWIW
Eric Twelker

Begin forwarded message:

Resent-From: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
From: "Michael Casper" 
Date: September 14, 1999 7:37:25 AM GMT-08:00
To: 
Subject: *  SALE  *  KEN KEN, DAHARA, MOROCCO  *  SALE
Reply-To: 

LIVE FROM DENVER!

We just secured a load (75KG) of a new find!

Ken Ken, Dahara, Morocco
Found August 1999
4 different meteorites found within 10km

This is a brand new find and is 4 different types. Looks like
H 5 and  L 6 or maybe BETTER! This load was foun over several
weeks of searching by aproximately 500 folks of "the berber tribe".j

Here is the deal! I  will sell no less than 2.5 KG @ $.40 per gram.
That is $1000.00 MINIMUM ORDER. I will ship overnight if payment
is MC/VISA.

Included in each shipment will be some of each of 4 different  
meteorites.

Michael

Casper Meteorites, Inc.
P. O. Drawer J
Ithaca, New York  14851
USA
607-257-5349 (phone)
607-266-7904 (fax)
email: cas...@meteorites.com

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Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem

2009-08-14 Thread Greg Hupe


Hello Carl and All,

I think the real question here should be if all of the classified 
"NWA/KemKem" meteorites you mentioned (NWA 001, 052, 753 & 755) are even 
paired. I do not think any scientist would currently check these out 
personally and compare them, just being a chondrite and all. I think it was 
a good thing the NomComm realized quickly and early-on (late 90's) that 
things would get way out of hand without a "generic" Northwest Africa (NWA) 
designation to achieve some sort of order with the flood of different 
meteorites that were coming out of Northwest Africa (Morocco), and have 
since. Generic designations, of course, have been applied to Oman finds and 
other regions of the world.


Best regards,
Greg


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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem






So far there are NWA 001, 052, 753 & 755 with the pseudonym of Kem Kem. 
Anymore? should be at least one more with a H5(?) classification (Brian 
Cox/PlanetBrey),but probably many more. Interesting topic.


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Re: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for NWA

2009-08-14 Thread Gary Fujihara

the
definition of the word "generic," but if it doesn't, it's not far  
off.

Regards,
Jason

On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 9:52 PM, drtanuki wrote:


Dear Brian and List,
Brian your are incorrect in your history lesson.
Michael Casper announced in his December 1999 catalogue that "a  
new find out of Morocco- Kem-Kem" was "Found in August, 1999.  
Stone. Classification pending. Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco".   
Casper`s catalogue lists:

22.4g @ $44.80;
26.9g@ $53.80
31.5g@ $63.00
33.5g@ $67.00
41.0g@ $82.00
46.8g@ $93.60
53.2g@ $106.40
58.6g@ $117.20
67.4g@ $134.80
70.0g@ $140.00
83.1g@ $166.20
114.9g@ $229.80
153.6g@ $307.20

In the same catalogue, he (Casper) has a multi-kilo piece  
photographed, which I purchased.  Kem-Kem was NOT a catch-all  
term for the meteorites of NWA (Moroc/Algeria) at the time, as  
you wrote.


So please do not confuse the messy history of the NWAs by  
INCORRECTLY calling Kem-Kem the orginal generic name before NWAs.


I was in Morocco in December 2000- January 2001 for six weeks and  
at Kem-Kem prior/during the sale of NWA482 in the year of the  
planetary alignment and eclipse... there were UK-Euro-hippies by  
the busloads for the huge festival and arrested development.
The only great "hunter" that I ran into while I was there was  
Dean Bessey in his Fiat at Merzouga (he dismounted his for  
shade); prior to Bessey Specks perhaps not?


Missed seeing Mike Farmer, Strope and others; but, I did spot a  
mad German or Austrian at the petrol stop during the heat of the  
day. Also missed the Great Habibi!


When in Erfoud don`t miss out on the daily variety of Targine  
beef, mutton or chicken and 30 glasses of mint tea.


At the end of six weeks of wearing Berber you will be blue...Idir  
met Idir et Kem-Kem!  Truly an awesome experience to be at Kem- 
Kem at SunSet on top of a tall hill and watch the winter shadows  
fall.


Forget the Berber Shave and stick with Burma Shave if you are  
searchingforfun.


Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo




--- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brian Cox   
wrote:



From: Brian Cox 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name  
before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM
Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem
Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey
meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that
was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from
our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members
for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites.

I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey
just now  in this auction.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem

2009-08-14 Thread Carl 's




So far there are NWA 001, 052, 753 & 755 with the pseudonym of Kem Kem. 
Anymore? should be at least one more with a H5(?) classification (Brian 
Cox/PlanetBrey),but probably many more. Interesting topic.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem

2009-08-14 Thread Brian Cox


Hello Zelmir,

Thank you very much for adding more information and history to the 
discussion of Kem Kem, I appreciate your input.


Thanks again and have a great day!

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:09:47 +0200
From: zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for NWA
To: Jeff Grossman 
Cc: Meteorite-list 
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Hi List,

To bring a little more confusion to the "Kem-Kem issue", here is
another story.

It deals with a meteorite found in South Morocco in 1998 (31?7'N /
5?11'W), thus at a time the generic NWA designation did not exist.

That one stone weighing 1088 g was found by Michel Franco and, after
analysis, the remaining mass of 942.5 g of that L6 was offered for
sale (if I remember well at the Ste Marie-aux-Mines mineral show in
1999, where I purchased it).

Michel told me that although fully analyzed at Open University, it had
not yet a name but that he proposed "Kem Kem"

I don't know whether it was the first time that such name was proposed
but Michel was very confident it will be accepted by the Nom. Com. so,
in the meantime, I catalogued it in my collection using "Kem-Mem" as
provisional name.

Months or even years later, Michel told me that it eventually received
another "generic" name, thus "NWA 052" (the NWA nomenclature just
appeared in the Bulletins).
I then changed the name but added "Kem-Lem" as SYNONYM.

If you go to the Met Bull database, you will see that they now mention
"Kem-Kem" as ORIGIN or PSEUDONYM for NWA 052, which seemed logical.

Now after the debate we had these days and the clearings brought by
Jeff, it is obvious that for my NWA 052, "Kem-Kem" is the origin, not
a synonym nor pseudo.

(I note that the same mention "origin or pseudonym: "Kem-Kem" is
mentioned for NWA 753 (R3.9) found years after and this might also
probably be the case for some other NWA's (I didn't check), which is
in line with the whole issue cleared by Jeff.

I will (just personally) retain "Kem-Kem" as synonym of my NWA 052 for
"historical purposes", supposing this was the first NWA oringinating
from the vast Kem-Kem region (something I am far from being sure - I
did not check).

I wish to thank once again Jeff for his statements, that are of real
importance.

My best,

Zelimir

PS: if anybody is interested, I can provide a list giving all the
synonyms of the meteorites sitting in my collection, should this be of
some help or general interest for someone.



Jeff Grossman  a ??crit??:


The Kem Kem meteorites from Casper were a trigger for the NomCom
approving the NWA designation, which was my coinage in January 2000.
 But to really understand the history, you need to go back a few
years earlier, to El Hammami (aka Hamada du Draa), which was the
first case for which the NomCom became aware that meteorites were
being transported and sold in this region.  With this history, plus
a series of inquiries from other dealers about the Kem Kem
meteorites, compounded by our inability to learn many details about
those meteorites from Casper, we needed to take action of some kind.
 We decided on a generic term, Northwest Africa, that could be
applied as a "tracking" label to all stones, even ones that had not
been classified, so that individual meteorites would not be divided
and sold under multiple names.  We also had no ability to
investigate multiple vague or anonymous claims about meteorite
provenance in the region.  Thus it was decided that all of these
meteorites would be named NWA, even those that had been classified.
I'm not sure what ever happened to the Kem Kems that triggered

Re: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for NWA

2009-08-14 Thread Zelimir . Gabelica

ecember 1999 catalogue that "a  
new find out of Morocco- Kem-Kem" was "Found in August, 1999.  
Stone. Classification pending. Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco".   
Casper`s catalogue lists:

22.4g @ $44.80;
26.9g@ $53.80
31.5g@ $63.00
33.5g@ $67.00
41.0g@ $82.00
46.8g@ $93.60
53.2g@ $106.40
58.6g@ $117.20
67.4g@ $134.80
70.0g@ $140.00
83.1g@ $166.20
114.9g@ $229.80
153.6g@ $307.20

In the same catalogue, he (Casper) has a multi-kilo piece  
photographed, which I purchased.  Kem-Kem was NOT a catch-all term  
for the meteorites of NWA (Moroc/Algeria) at the time, as you wrote.


 So please do not confuse the messy history of the NWAs by  
INCORRECTLY calling Kem-Kem the orginal generic name before NWAs.


 I was in Morocco in December 2000- January 2001 for six weeks and  
at Kem-Kem prior/during the sale of NWA482 in the year of the  
planetary alignment and eclipse... there were UK-Euro-hippies by  
the busloads for the huge festival and arrested development.
The only great "hunter" that I ran into while I was there was Dean  
Bessey in his Fiat at Merzouga (he dismounted his for shade);  
prior to Bessey Specks perhaps not?


Missed seeing Mike Farmer, Strope and others; but, I did spot a  
mad German or Austrian at the petrol stop during the heat of the  
day. Also missed the Great Habibi!


When in Erfoud don`t miss out on the daily variety of Targine  
beef, mutton or chicken and 30 glasses of mint tea.


 At the end of six weeks of wearing Berber you will be blue...Idir  
met Idir et Kem-Kem!  Truly an awesome experience to be at Kem-Kem  
at SunSet on top of a tall hill and watch the winter shadows fall.


 Forget the Berber Shave and stick with Burma Shave if you are  
searchingforfun.


 Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo




--- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brian Cox  wrote:


From: Brian Cox 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name  
before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM
Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem
Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey
meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that
was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from
our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members
for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites.

I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey
just now  in this auction.

http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef77f042f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14





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[meteorite-list] Kem-Kem, the original "GENERIC" name for NWAs, Northwest African meteorites

2009-08-14 Thread Brian Cox


Jeff,

Thanks again for your time and for bringing more light to the subject of the 
origination of the names, NWA and Kem Kem. You mentioned about where the Kem 
Kems went to and I forgot to mention that I have a piece of Kem Kem that I 
purchased back when Planet Brey meteorites got specimens of Kem Kem and I 
have it on ebay and if you want to have a look at it with the Original COA 
that says Kem Kem and the information on the card, here is the link: 
http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH


I added in the description that since it's technically Unclassified and 
probably an H5.


Thanks again for your help and your wonderful and thorough explanation.

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 [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for NWA

Jeff Grossman jgrossman at usgs.gov
Fri Aug 14 00:50:48 EDT 2009

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The Kem Kem meteorites from Casper were a trigger for the NomCom
approving the NWA designation, which was my coinage in January
2000. But to really understand the history, you need to go back a
few years earlier, to El Hammami (aka Hamada du Draa), which was the
first case for which the NomCom became aware that meteorites were
being transported and sold in this region. With this history, plus a
series of inquiries from other dealers about the Kem Kem meteorites,
compounded by our inability to learn many details about those
meteorites from Casper, we needed to take action of some kind. We
decided on a generic term, Northwest Africa, that could be applied as
a "tracking" label to all stones, even ones that had not been
classified, so that individual meteorites would not be divided and
sold under multiple names. We also had no ability to investigate
multiple vague or anonymous claims about meteorite provenance in the
region. Thus it was decided that all of these meteorites would be
named NWA, even those that had been classified. I'm not sure what
ever happened to the Kem Kems that triggered the whole thing. Since
I don't think Casper ever numbered them, there were no synonyms to
publish, assuming they eventually became NWAs.

jeff


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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem, the original "GENERIC" name for NWAs, 
Northwest African meteorites




Hi Jeff,

Thank you very much for your explanation of Kem Kem and the NomCom 
approving the NWA designation because of all the confusion and the 
situation of all the meteorites coming out of the region.


Thank you for mentioning that you and NomCom decided on "A Generic Term" 
Northwest Africa, that could be applied as a "Tracking" label to all 
stones.


I really appreciate your explanation.

All the best!

Brian
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[meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for NWA

Jeff Grossman jgrossman at usgs.gov
Fri Aug 14 00:50:48 EDT 2009

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The Kem Kem meteorites from Casper were a trigger for the NomCom
approving the NWA designation, which was my coinage in January
2000. But to really understand the history, you need to go back a
few years earlier, to El Hammami (aka Hamada du Draa), which was the
first case for which the NomCom became aware that meteorites were
being transported and sold in this region. With this history, plus a
series of inquiries from other dealers about the Kem Kem meteorites,
compounded by our inability to learn many details about those
meteorites from Casper, we needed to take action of some kind. We
decided on a generic term, Northwest Africa, that could be applied as
a "tracking" label to all stones, even ones that had not been
classified, so that individual meteorites would not be divided and
sold under multiple names. We also had no ability to investigate
multiple vague or anonymous claims about meteorite provenance in the
region. Thus it was decided that all of these meteorites would be
named NWA, even those that had been classified. I'm not sure what
ever happened to the Kem Kems that triggered the whole thing. Since
I don't think Casper ever numbered them, there were no synonyms to
publish, assuming they eventually became NWAs.

jeff






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Re: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem, the original "GENERIC" name for NWAs, Northwest African meteorites

2009-08-13 Thread Brian Cox


Hi Jeff,

Thank you very much for your explanation of Kem Kem and the NomCom approving 
the NWA designation because of all the confusion and the situation of all 
the meteorites coming out of the region.


Thank you for mentioning that you and NomCom decided on "A Generic Term" 
Northwest Africa, that could be applied as a "Tracking" label to all stones.


I really appreciate your explanation.

All the best!

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Re: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for NWA

2009-08-13 Thread Jeff Grossman

The Kem Kem meteorites from Casper were a trigger for the NomCom 
approving the NWA designation, which was my coinage in January 
2000.  But to really understand the history, you need to go back a 
few years earlier, to El Hammami (aka Hamada du Draa), which was the 
first case for which the NomCom became aware that meteorites were 
being transported and sold in this region.  With this history, plus a 
series of inquiries from other dealers about the Kem Kem meteorites, 
compounded by our inability to learn many details about those 
meteorites from Casper, we needed to take action of some kind.  We 
decided on a generic term, Northwest Africa, that could be applied as 
a "tracking" label to all stones, even ones that had not been 
classified, so that individual meteorites would not be divided and 
sold under multiple names.  We also had no ability to investigate 
multiple vague or anonymous claims about meteorite provenance in the 
region.  Thus it was decided that all of these meteorites would be 
named NWA, even those that had been classified.  I'm not sure what 
ever happened to the Kem Kems that triggered the whole thing.  Since 
I don't think Casper ever numbered them, there were no synonyms to 
publish, assuming they eventually became NWAs.

jeff

Jeff

At 01:02 AM 8/10/2009, Jason Utas wrote:

Dirk, Brian, All,
This came up on the list a while back; from what I understood, Casper
sold those as well as a number of other stones under that name around
that time, and only classified one stone, before grouping a number of
similar-looking meteorites together under that name (I believe the
mentality was that of the meteorite-world pior to the NWA rush, where
not every piece had to be classified to verify its composition).  And
while not every piece does have to be classified in many cases, this,
I believe, was a situation in which things were not made certain.  I
never got the catalog at the time, bit I do recall there being some
consternation as meteorites were being misclassified/misnamed.
Hence the confusion, as the name applies to a number of late 1990's
NWA meteorites which came out of the area via Casper.  I might only
call it a generic name at this point because it is a name that applies
to a number of petrographically distinct meteorites.  Single name,
unknown number of meteorites.  I don't know if it quite fits the
definition of the word "generic," but if it doesn't, it's not far off.
Regards,
Jason

On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 9:52 PM, drtanuki wrote:
>
> Dear Brian and List,
>  Brian your are incorrect in your history lesson.
>  Michael Casper announced in his December 1999 catalogue that "a 
new find out of Morocco- Kem-Kem" was "Found in August, 1999. 
Stone. Classification pending. Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco".  Casper`s 
catalogue lists:

> 22.4g @ $44.80;
> 26.9g@ $53.80
> 31.5g@ $63.00
> 33.5g@ $67.00
> 41.0g@ $82.00
> 46.8g@ $93.60
> 53.2g@ $106.40
> 58.6g@ $117.20
> 67.4g@ $134.80
> 70.0g@ $140.00
> 83.1g@ $166.20
> 114.9g@ $229.80
> 153.6g@ $307.20
>
> In the same catalogue, he (Casper) has a multi-kilo piece 
photographed, which I purchased.  Kem-Kem was NOT a catch-all term 
for the meteorites of NWA (Moroc/Algeria) at the time, as you wrote.

>
>  So please do not confuse the messy history of the NWAs by 
INCORRECTLY calling Kem-Kem the orginal generic name before NWAs.

>
>  I was in Morocco in December 2000- January 2001 for six weeks 
and at Kem-Kem prior/during the sale of NWA482 in the year of the 
planetary alignment and eclipse... there were UK-Euro-hippies by 
the busloads for the huge festival and arrested development.
> The only great "hunter" that I ran into while I was there was 
Dean Bessey in his Fiat at Merzouga (he dismounted his for shade); 
prior to Bessey Specks perhaps not?

>
> Missed seeing Mike Farmer, Strope and others; but, I did spot a 
mad German or Austrian at the petrol stop during the heat of the 
day. Also missed the Great Habibi!

>
> When in Erfoud don`t miss out on the daily variety of Targine 
beef, mutton or chicken and 30 glasses of mint tea.

>
>  At the end of six weeks of wearing Berber you will be 
blue...Idir met Idir et Kem-Kem!  Truly an awesome experience to be 
at Kem-Kem at SunSet on top of a tall hill and watch the winter shadows fall.

>
>  Forget the Berber Shave and stick with Burma Shave if you are 
searchingforfun.

>
>  Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
>
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brian Cox  wrote:
>
>> From: Brian Cox 
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name 
before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites

>> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM
>> Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem
>> Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Plan

Re: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for NWA

2009-08-09 Thread Brian Cox


Hello Jason,

Thank you very much for mentioning the information that you are aware of. I 
didn't mean to be angry at Dirk, but I kind of felt I was being attacked 
when all I was trying to do was to add to the discussion of Kem Kem and I 
have learned a great deal about it over the past few days. I really 
appreciate you taking the time to email me and give me information on it and 
many other members also wrote from the Met. List and the IMCA that they felt 
Kem Kem was, as in my words, and I am Honestly, Very Sorry Dirk or anyone 
that I used the word "generic" when that may not have been exactly the 
correct word, but as you put it, generic isn't far off. I just couldn't 
think of a better word at the moment I was writing.


Thanks again, and all the best to you and yours.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for NWA

2009-08-09 Thread Jason Utas

Dirk, Brian, All,
This came up on the list a while back; from what I understood, Casper
sold those as well as a number of other stones under that name around
that time, and only classified one stone, before grouping a number of
similar-looking meteorites together under that name (I believe the
mentality was that of the meteorite-world pior to the NWA rush, where
not every piece had to be classified to verify its composition).  And
while not every piece does have to be classified in many cases, this,
I believe, was a situation in which things were not made certain.  I
never got the catalog at the time, bit I do recall there being some
consternation as meteorites were being misclassified/misnamed.
Hence the confusion, as the name applies to a number of late 1990's
NWA meteorites which came out of the area via Casper.  I might only
call it a generic name at this point because it is a name that applies
to a number of petrographically distinct meteorites.  Single name,
unknown number of meteorites.  I don't know if it quite fits the
definition of the word "generic," but if it doesn't, it's not far off.
Regards,
Jason

On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 9:52 PM, drtanuki wrote:
>
> Dear Brian and List,
>  Brian your are incorrect in your history lesson.
>  Michael Casper announced in his December 1999 catalogue that "a new find out 
> of Morocco- Kem-Kem" was "Found in August, 1999. Stone. Classification 
> pending. Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco".  Casper`s catalogue lists:
> 22.4g @ $44.80;
> 26.9g@ $53.80
> 31.5g@ $63.00
> 33.5g@ $67.00
> 41.0g@ $82.00
> 46.8g@ $93.60
> 53.2g@ $106.40
> 58.6g@ $117.20
> 67.4g@ $134.80
> 70.0g@ $140.00
> 83.1g@ $166.20
> 114.9g@ $229.80
> 153.6g@ $307.20
>
> In the same catalogue, he (Casper) has a multi-kilo piece photographed, which 
> I purchased.  Kem-Kem was NOT a catch-all term for the meteorites of NWA 
> (Moroc/Algeria) at the time, as you wrote.
>
>  So please do not confuse the messy history of the NWAs by INCORRECTLY 
> calling Kem-Kem the orginal generic name before NWAs.
>
>  I was in Morocco in December 2000- January 2001 for six weeks and at Kem-Kem 
> prior/during the sale of NWA482 in the year of the planetary alignment and 
> eclipse... there were UK-Euro-hippies by the busloads for the huge festival 
> and arrested development.
> The only great "hunter" that I ran into while I was there was Dean Bessey in 
> his Fiat at Merzouga (he dismounted his for shade); prior to Bessey Specks 
> perhaps not?
>
> Missed seeing Mike Farmer, Strope and others; but, I did spot a mad German or 
> Austrian at the petrol stop during the heat of the day. Also missed the Great 
> Habibi!
>
> When in Erfoud don`t miss out on the daily variety of Targine beef, mutton or 
> chicken and 30 glasses of mint tea.
>
>  At the end of six weeks of wearing Berber you will be blue...Idir met Idir 
> et Kem-Kem!  Truly an awesome experience to be at Kem-Kem at SunSet on top of 
> a tall hill and watch the winter shadows fall.
>
>  Forget the Berber Shave and stick with Burma Shave if you are 
> searchingforfun.
>
>  Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
>
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brian Cox  wrote:
>
>> From: Brian Cox 
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name before 
>> NWAs, Northwest African meteorites
>> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM
>> Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem
>> Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey
>> meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that
>> was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from
>> our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members
>> for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites.
>>
>> I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey
>> just now  in this auction.
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef77f042f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14
>
>
>>
>> Thanks, and clear happy meteorite filled skies tonight!
>>
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[meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for NWA

2009-08-09 Thread drtanuki

Dear Brian and List,
  Brian your are incorrect in your history lesson.
  Michael Casper announced in his December 1999 catalogue that "a new find out 
of Morocco- Kem-Kem" was "Found in August, 1999. Stone. Classification pending. 
Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco".  Casper`s catalogue lists:
22.4g @ $44.80;
26.9g@ $53.80
31.5g@ $63.00
33.5g@ $67.00
41.0g@ $82.00
46.8g@ $93.60
53.2g@ $106.40
58.6g@ $117.20
67.4g@ $134.80
70.0g@ $140.00
83.1g@ $166.20
114.9g@ $229.80
153.6g@ $307.20

In the same catalogue, he (Casper) has a multi-kilo piece photographed, which I 
purchased.  Kem-Kem was NOT a catch-all term for the meteorites of NWA 
(Moroc/Algeria) at the time, as you wrote.

  So please do not confuse the messy history of the NWAs by INCORRECTLY calling 
Kem-Kem the orginal generic name before NWAs.

  I was in Morocco in December 2000- January 2001 for six weeks and at Kem-Kem 
prior/during the sale of NWA482 in the year of the planetary alignment and 
eclipse... there were UK-Euro-hippies by the busloads for the huge festival and 
arrested development.
The only great "hunter" that I ran into while I was there was Dean Bessey in 
his Fiat at Merzouga (he dismounted his for shade); prior to Bessey Specks 
perhaps not?

Missed seeing Mike Farmer, Strope and others; but, I did spot a mad German or 
Austrian at the petrol stop during the heat of the day. Also missed the Great 
Habibi!

When in Erfoud don`t miss out on the daily variety of Targine beef, mutton or 
chicken and 30 glasses of mint tea.

  At the end of six weeks of wearing Berber you will be blue...Idir met Idir et 
Kem-Kem!  Truly an awesome experience to be at Kem-Kem at SunSet on top of a 
tall hill and watch the winter shadows fall.

  Forget the Berber Shave and stick with Burma Shave if you are searchingforfun.

  Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo

--- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brian Cox  wrote:

> From: Brian Cox 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name before NWAs, 
> Northwest African meteorites
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM
> Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem
> Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey
> meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that
> was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from
> our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members
> for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites.
>
> I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey
> just now  in this auction.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef77f042f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14

>
> Thanks, and clear happy meteorite filled skies tonight!
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites

2009-08-09 Thread Brian Cox

Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem Kem meteorite specimen, originally from 
Planet Brey meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that was 
used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from our fellow history 
buffs on the list and other IMCA members for what we now call "NWAs" 
"Northwest African" meteorites.


I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey just now  in this 
auction.


http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef77f042f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14

Thanks, and clear happy meteorite filled skies tonight!

Brian

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Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem R3.9

2009-08-08 Thread Galactic Stone & Ironworks

Aaaah, you are right as always Bernd! :)

753 is a R3.9 and 755 is a R3.7

I wonder if there is any chance they are paired in some way?  Was
there ever a definitive answer on that?


On 08 Aug 2009 20:14:21 UT, bernd.pa...@paulinet.de
 wrote:
>> NWA 755?
>
> Almost!
>
> See here:
>
> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=R3.9&sfor=types&ants=&falls=&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=%28Northwest+Africa%29&srt=name&categ=Rumuruti+chondrites&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=0&pnt=no&code=17827
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[meteorite-list] Kem Kem R3.9

2009-08-08 Thread bernd . pauli

> NWA 755?

Almost!

See here:

http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=R3.9&sfor=types&ants=&falls=&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=%28Northwest+Africa%29&srt=name&categ=Rumuruti+chondrites&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=0&pnt=no&code=17827

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Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem

2008-01-26 Thread David Pensenstadler

Bernd and all:

I also have a 30 g sample of Kem Kem from Michael
Casper.

Dave

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Dean writes:
> 
> "Michael Casper bought 300 kilos of
> meteorites...that he was told was found 
> in the Kem Kem plain near the algerian border. I
> bought some from this 300
> kilo bunch..."
> 
> Oh yes, now I remember and Michael Casper heralded
> it in his
> sales catalogue dated Dec. 13, 1999, p. 14 with
> these words:
> 
> Kem Kem. Found August, 1999. Stone. Classification
> pending.
> Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco.
> 
> This was followed by numerous offers like: 22.4
> grams @ $44.80, etc. and
> a picture of a large Kem Kem individual (ca. 10
> inches) with a crack and
> several shallow regmaglypts - there is also a tape
> measure beneath that
> stone to give you an idea of its size.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
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[meteorite-list] Kem Kem

2008-01-26 Thread bernd . pauli

Dean writes:

"Michael Casper bought 300 kilos of meteorites...that he was told was found 
in the Kem Kem plain near the algerian border. I bought some from this 300
kilo bunch..."

Oh yes, now I remember and Michael Casper heralded it in his
sales catalogue dated Dec. 13, 1999, p. 14 with these words:

Kem Kem. Found August, 1999. Stone. Classification pending.
Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco.

This was followed by numerous offers like: 22.4 grams @ $44.80, etc. and
a picture of a large Kem Kem individual (ca. 10 inches) with a crack and
several shallow regmaglypts - there is also a tape measure beneath that
stone to give you an idea of its size.

Best wishes,

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Re: [meteorite-list] "Kem Kem" and Dar al Gani

2004-01-14 Thread meteoriteshow

Sorry, my previous message about Dar al Gani was to Raphael of course!

Frederic Beroud
www.meteoriteshow.com
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- Original Message -
From: "Rafael B. Torres" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 1:28 AM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] "Kem Kem" and Dar al Gani


> I see, thats why Ive seen to many classifications of this meteorite.
Another
> thing, I got several Dar al Gani meteorite from Serguie Vassiliev, they
are
> fully classified and listed in the Meteorite Bulletin, but I read that the
> location is actually Jiddat Al Harasis (I think its kind like a state in
> lybia), then why is it named Dar al Gani??? what is Dar al Gani is it a
> state or a geological feature?
>
>
> >From: Robert Verish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: [meteorite-list] "Kem Kem" (vs. Kem Kem)
> >Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:56:18 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >--- Original Message -------------
> >From: "Rafael B. Torres"
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem
> >Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:14:32 -0600
> >
> >Hello everybody, does anyone know if Kem Kem found
> >near Dahara got a final classification?,
> >last time I got an H5 chondrite, but Ive seen many
> >internet sites with different classification,
> >including thats its a breccia???...Im not sure.
> >
> >Thanks
> >-- End of Original Message
> >
> >
> >Kem Kem is a region in Morocco.
> >It is not an officially approved meteorite name.
> >Kem Kem is a trade-name used in the sale of a number
> >of various meteorites, some classified - some not...
> >
> >
> >M-List Archives Search Results - for "Kem Kem":
> >Documents 1 - 4 of 4 matches.
> >
>
>http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/maillist.ht
ml
> >
> >[meteorite-list] Back to meteorites..
> >... ] Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:17:50 + Back when I was
> >first getting into collecting, I purchased a partslice
> >of meteorite that had been labeled as Kem Kem.
> >However, when I got it, I found that a)Kem Kem was
> >only a provisional name and b) it had not been
> >classified yet. Has anyone heard anything further on
> >...
>
>http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15907.ht
ml
> >11/17/03
> >
> >
> >Re: [meteorite-list] A Letter From Blaine Reed
> >... .  Dozens of posts supporting the pleading.
> >Yesterday Tracy posts a meteorite question ("Back to
> >meteorites") about Kem Kem and the NomCom.  Nothing.
> >I follow up with a similar inquiry/observation about
> >Bensour, Oum Rokba, and Dronino.  Nada.   ...
>
>http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15878.ht
ml
> >11/16/03
> >
> >
> >[meteorite-list] Back to meteorites..
> >... * Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:20:14 -0700 Back when
> >I was first getting into collecting, I purchased a
> >partslice of meteorite that had been labeled as Kem
> >Kem. However, when I got it, I found that a)Kem Kem
> >was only a provisional name and b) it had not been
> >classified yet. Has anyone heard anything further ...
>
>http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15811.ht
ml
> >11/15/03
> >
> >
> >Re: [meteorite-list] Back to meteorites..
> >... .. * From: Sharkkb8 * Subject: Re:
> >[meteorite-list] Back to meteorites.. * Date: Tue, 14
> >Oct 2003 16:39:02 -0700  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >Kem Kem was only a provisional name and b) it had
> >not been classified yet.  Has anyone heard anything
> >further on whether this meteorite ever became ...
>
>http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15823.ht
ml
> >11/15/03
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [meteorite-list] "Kem Kem" and Dar al Gani

2004-01-14 Thread meteoriteshow

Dear Robert,
Dar al Gani is the geographical name of a Reg, which is a calcarus plateau
located in Libya. I don't know about Jiddat Al Harasis, which is maybe the
name of a town or village near by, as Dar al Gani is actually a cry wide
area.
Best regards.

Frederic Beroud
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- Original Message -
From: "Rafael B. Torres" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 1:28 AM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] "Kem Kem" and Dar al Gani


> I see, thats why Ive seen to many classifications of this meteorite.
Another
> thing, I got several Dar al Gani meteorite from Serguie Vassiliev, they
are
> fully classified and listed in the Meteorite Bulletin, but I read that the
> location is actually Jiddat Al Harasis (I think its kind like a state in
> lybia), then why is it named Dar al Gani??? what is Dar al Gani is it a
> state or a geological feature?
>
>
> >From: Robert Verish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: [meteorite-list] "Kem Kem" (vs. Kem Kem)
> >Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:56:18 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >--- Original Message ---------
> >From: "Rafael B. Torres"
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem
> >Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:14:32 -0600
> >
> >Hello everybody, does anyone know if Kem Kem found
> >near Dahara got a final classification?,
> >last time I got an H5 chondrite, but Ive seen many
> >internet sites with different classification,
> >including thats its a breccia???...Im not sure.
> >
> >Thanks
> >-- End of Original Message
> >
> >
> >Kem Kem is a region in Morocco.
> >It is not an officially approved meteorite name.
> >Kem Kem is a trade-name used in the sale of a number
> >of various meteorites, some classified - some not...
> >
> >
> >M-List Archives Search Results - for "Kem Kem":
> >Documents 1 - 4 of 4 matches.
> >
>
>http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/maillist.ht
ml
> >
> >[meteorite-list] Back to meteorites..
> >... ] Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:17:50 + Back when I was
> >first getting into collecting, I purchased a partslice
> >of meteorite that had been labeled as Kem Kem.
> >However, when I got it, I found that a)Kem Kem was
> >only a provisional name and b) it had not been
> >classified yet. Has anyone heard anything further on
> >...
>
>http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15907.ht
ml
> >11/17/03
> >
> >
> >Re: [meteorite-list] A Letter From Blaine Reed
> >... .  Dozens of posts supporting the pleading.
> >Yesterday Tracy posts a meteorite question ("Back to
> >meteorites") about Kem Kem and the NomCom.  Nothing.
> >I follow up with a similar inquiry/observation about
> >Bensour, Oum Rokba, and Dronino.  Nada.   ...
>
>http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15878.ht
ml
> >11/16/03
> >
> >
> >[meteorite-list] Back to meteorites..
> >... * Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:20:14 -0700 Back when
> >I was first getting into collecting, I purchased a
> >partslice of meteorite that had been labeled as Kem
> >Kem. However, when I got it, I found that a)Kem Kem
> >was only a provisional name and b) it had not been
> >classified yet. Has anyone heard anything further ...
>
>http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15811.ht
ml
> >11/15/03
> >
> >
> >Re: [meteorite-list] Back to meteorites..
> >... .. * From: Sharkkb8 * Subject: Re:
> >[meteorite-list] Back to meteorites.. * Date: Tue, 14
> >Oct 2003 16:39:02 -0700  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >Kem Kem was only a provisional name and b) it had
> >not been classified yet.  Has anyone heard anything
> >further on whether this meteorite ever became ...
>
>http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15823.ht
ml
> >11/15/03
> >
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RE: [meteorite-list] "Kem Kem" and Dar al Gani

2004-01-13 Thread M come Meteorite Meteorites


--- "Rafael B. Torres"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I see, thats why Ive seen to many classifications of
> this meteorite. Another 
> thing, I got several Dar al Gani meteorite from
> Serguie Vassiliev, they are 
> fully classified and listed in the Meteorite
> Bulletin, but I read that the 
> location is actually Jiddat Al Harasis (I think its
> kind like a state in 
> lybia), 

its in Oman, not libya

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Re: [meteorite-list] "Kem Kem" and Dar al Gani

2004-01-13 Thread David Freeman

Dear Rafael,
Dar al Gani is a plateau that is quite large and may contain a whole 
bunch of different strewnfields. The French have hunted it for a number 
of years and have been quite sucessful I believe.
Best,
Dave F.

Rafael B. Torres wrote:

I see, thats why Ive seen to many classifications of this meteorite. 
Another thing, I got several Dar al Gani meteorite from Serguie 
Vassiliev, they are fully classified and listed in the Meteorite 
Bulletin, but I read that the location is actually Jiddat Al Harasis 
(I think its kind like a state in lybia), then why is it named Dar al 
Gani??? what is Dar al Gani is it a state or a geological feature?


From: Robert Verish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [meteorite-list] "Kem Kem" (vs. Kem Kem)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:56:18 -0800 (PST)

--- Original Message -
From: "Rafael B. Torres"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:14:32 -0600
Hello everybody, does anyone know if Kem Kem found
near Dahara got a final classification?,
last time I got an H5 chondrite, but Ive seen many
internet sites with different classification,
including thats its a breccia???...Im not sure.
Thanks
-- End of Original Message

Kem Kem is a region in Morocco.
It is not an officially approved meteorite name.
Kem Kem is a trade-name used in the sale of a number
of various meteorites, some classified - some not...

M-List Archives Search Results - for "Kem Kem":
Documents 1 - 4 of 4 matches.

http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/maillist.html 

[meteorite-list] Back to meteorites..
... ] Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:17:50 + Back when I was
first getting into collecting, I purchased a partslice
of meteorite that had been labeled as Kem Kem.
However, when I got it, I found that a)Kem Kem was
only a provisional name and b) it had not been
classified yet. Has anyone heard anything further on
...
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15907.html 

11/17/03

Re: [meteorite-list] A Letter From Blaine Reed
... .  Dozens of posts supporting the pleading.
Yesterday Tracy posts a meteorite question ("Back to
meteorites") about Kem Kem and the NomCom.  Nothing.
I follow up with a similar inquiry/observation about
Bensour, Oum Rokba, and Dronino.  Nada.   ...
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15878.html 

11/16/03

[meteorite-list] Back to meteorites..
... * Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:20:14 -0700 Back when
I was first getting into collecting, I purchased a
partslice of meteorite that had been labeled as Kem
Kem. However, when I got it, I found that a)Kem Kem
was only a provisional name and b) it had not been
classified yet. Has anyone heard anything further ...
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15811.html 

11/15/03

Re: [meteorite-list] Back to meteorites..
... .. * From: Sharkkb8 * Subject: Re:
[meteorite-list] Back to meteorites.. * Date: Tue, 14
Oct 2003 16:39:02 -0700  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Kem Kem was only a provisional name and b) it had
not been classified yet.  Has anyone heard anything
further on whether this meteorite ever became ...
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15823.html 

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RE: [meteorite-list] "Kem Kem" and Dar al Gani

2004-01-13 Thread Rafael B. Torres

I see, thats why Ive seen to many classifications of this meteorite. Another 
thing, I got several Dar al Gani meteorite from Serguie Vassiliev, they are 
fully classified and listed in the Meteorite Bulletin, but I read that the 
location is actually Jiddat Al Harasis (I think its kind like a state in 
lybia), then why is it named Dar al Gani??? what is Dar al Gani is it a 
state or a geological feature?

From: Robert Verish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [meteorite-list] "Kem Kem" (vs. Kem Kem)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:56:18 -0800 (PST)
--- Original Message -
From: "Rafael B. Torres"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:14:32 -0600
Hello everybody, does anyone know if Kem Kem found
near Dahara got a final classification?,
last time I got an H5 chondrite, but Ive seen many
internet sites with different classification,
including thats its a breccia???...Im not sure.
Thanks
-- End of Original Message

Kem Kem is a region in Morocco.
It is not an officially approved meteorite name.
Kem Kem is a trade-name used in the sale of a number
of various meteorites, some classified - some not...

M-List Archives Search Results - for "Kem Kem":
Documents 1 - 4 of 4 matches.

http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/maillist.html
[meteorite-list] Back to meteorites..
... ] Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:17:50 + Back when I was
first getting into collecting, I purchased a partslice
of meteorite that had been labeled as Kem Kem.
However, when I got it, I found that a)Kem Kem was
only a provisional name and b) it had not been
classified yet. Has anyone heard anything further on
...
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15907.html
11/17/03
Re: [meteorite-list] A Letter From Blaine Reed
... .  Dozens of posts supporting the pleading.
Yesterday Tracy posts a meteorite question ("Back to
meteorites") about Kem Kem and the NomCom.  Nothing.
I follow up with a similar inquiry/observation about
Bensour, Oum Rokba, and Dronino.  Nada.   ...
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15878.html
11/16/03
[meteorite-list] Back to meteorites..
... * Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:20:14 -0700 Back when
I was first getting into collecting, I purchased a
partslice of meteorite that had been labeled as Kem
Kem. However, when I got it, I found that a)Kem Kem
was only a provisional name and b) it had not been
classified yet. Has anyone heard anything further ...
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15811.html
11/15/03
Re: [meteorite-list] Back to meteorites..
... .. * From: Sharkkb8 * Subject: Re:
[meteorite-list] Back to meteorites.. * Date: Tue, 14
Oct 2003 16:39:02 -0700  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Kem Kem was only a provisional name and b) it had
not been classified yet.  Has anyone heard anything
further on whether this meteorite ever became ...
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15823.html
11/15/03

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[meteorite-list] "Kem Kem" (vs. Kem Kem)

2004-01-13 Thread Robert Verish

--- Original Message -
From: "Rafael B. Torres"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:14:32 -0600

Hello everybody, does anyone know if Kem Kem found
near Dahara got a final classification?, 
last time I got an H5 chondrite, but Ive seen many 
internet sites with different classification,
including thats its a breccia???...Im not sure.

Thanks
-- End of Original Message

Kem Kem is a region in Morocco.  
It is not an officially approved meteorite name. 
Kem Kem is a trade-name used in the sale of a number
of various meteorites, some classified - some not...

M-List Archives Search Results - for "Kem Kem":
Documents 1 - 4 of 4 matches. 

http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/maillist.html

[meteorite-list] Back to meteorites.. 
... ] Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:17:50 + Back when I was
first getting into collecting, I purchased a partslice
of meteorite that had been labeled as Kem Kem.
However, when I got it, I found that a)Kem Kem was
only a provisional name and b) it had not been
classified yet. Has anyone heard anything further on
...
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15907.html
11/17/03

Re: [meteorite-list] A Letter From Blaine Reed 
... .  Dozens of posts supporting the pleading.
Yesterday Tracy posts a meteorite question ("Back to
meteorites") about Kem Kem and the NomCom.  Nothing. 
I follow up with a similar inquiry/observation about
Bensour, Oum Rokba, and Dronino.  Nada.   ...
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15878.html
11/16/03

[meteorite-list] Back to meteorites.. 
... * Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:20:14 -0700 Back when
I was first getting into collecting, I purchased a
partslice of meteorite that had been labeled as Kem
Kem. However, when I got it, I found that a)Kem Kem
was only a provisional name and b) it had not been
classified yet. Has anyone heard anything further ...
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15811.html
11/15/03

Re: [meteorite-list] Back to meteorites.. 
... .. * From: Sharkkb8 * Subject: Re:
[meteorite-list] Back to meteorites.. * Date: Tue, 14
Oct 2003 16:39:02 -0700  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Kem Kem was only a provisional name and b) it had
not been classified yet.  Has anyone heard anything
further on whether this meteorite ever became ...
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15823.html
11/15/03

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RE: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem

2004-01-13 Thread Rafael B. Torres

Hello everybody, does anyone know if Kem Kem found near Dahara got a final 
classification?, last time I got an H5 chondrite, but Ive seen many internet 
sites with different classification, including thats its a breccia???...Im 
not sure.

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