Re: [meteorite-list] One Ad Per Week

2012-10-23 Thread Adam Hupe
Sorry you feel I need to apologize to somebody who doesn't follow the rules.  I 
think you have it backwards. In my opinion, it is disrespectful to those who do 
follow the rules not wanting to lose our advertising privileges. 

For those who live in the United States, I am sure you are tired of all of the 
Robocalls demanding that you reelect the president even though these phone 
calls are illegal.  I was woken up by one of these illegal phone calls at 12:30 
a.m. in the morning.  I am interrupted with at least ten of these illegal phone 
calls a day since I live in a swing state.  It makes me want to vote against 
the political party that is breaking the law and can't follow the rules!

I considering spamming the List the same.

Best Regards,

Adam






- Original Message -
From: Mike Groetz mpg4...@gmail.com
To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Library III - Historic Books  Articles on 
special topics

Adam, I believe a polite apology to Martin is in order for him. He has
done nothing wrong. There are others oh this list that have exceeded
this requirement if you feel you need the need to criticize for it.

Mike

On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote:




 What ever happened to the one ad per week rule?  It seems there are a few who 
 disrespecting those who follow the courtesy rules!





 
 From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:58 AM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Library III - Historic Books  Articles on special 
 topics

 Voilá,

 for those afficionados, who're collecting items to combine shipment, not
 having to wait so long,
 here already the next list of offers.
 Some true benchmark publications among them.
 Note btw. that at the modern online-article-services you have to pay often
 more for new scientific papers than these historical ones are now offered.

 Much success! (Last part will follow in a few hours)
 Martin


 35a) RAMMELSBERG

 C.Rammelsberg:
 Die chemische Natur der Meteoriten.
 Zweite Abtheilung.
 Abhandlungen der Königl. Akademie der Wissenschaften, Berlin 1879

 64 pages. Lexicon-octavo.
 Condition:  Mint!

 Content:

 Meteoreisen
 Pallasit
 Chondrit
 Chladnit
 Shalkit
 Anhang zum Eukrit (Shergotty)
 Howardit
 Kohlenstoff in Meteoriten
 Neue Mineralien der Meteoriten
 Uebersicht der isomorphen Mischungen der meteoritischen Olivin- und
 Augitsubstanz
 Verzeichniß solcher Meteoriten, deren erneute Untersuchung wünschenswerth
 ist
 Tabelle I. Zusammensetzung der Meteoreisen
 Tabelle II. Zusammensetzung des Rückstandes (Schreibersits)
 Tabelle III. Zusammensetzung der Chondrite
 Tabelle IV. Zusammensetzung der Silikate der Chondrite
 Tabelle V. Verhältniß des zersetzbaren Theils A und des unzersetzbaren B
 Tabelle VI. Zusammensetzung des zersetzbaren Theils (A) der Silikate
 Tabelle VII. Zusammensetzung des unzersetzbaren Theils (B) der Silikate
 Nachträge

 (Carl Frierich Rammelsberg:
 http://kuerzer.de/Rammelsberg )

 70$


 35b) like 35a)
 Condition:  near mint.

 60$


 36) RINNE

 F.Rinne:
 Kugelrunde Eiskrystalle und Chondren von Meteoriten.
 Separate print from Neue Jahrbuch für Mineralogie, Vol.1, 1897

 3 pages. University Greifswald stamp on front.
 Condition: fine - good.

 (Friedrich Rinne:  http://kuerzer.de/FRinne )

 5$


 37) TASSIN

 W.Tassin:
 On Meteoritic Chromits.
 From Proceedings of the U.S. National Museum, Vol.34, N°1628, Washington
 1908.

 6 pages. Good - Very good.

 10$


 38) WATSON

 F.G.Watson:
 Reflectivity and Color of Meteorites.
 Print from the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science, Vol.24, N°12,
 1938.

 Cover. Harvard Reprint 155 stamp on first page.
 6 pages. Contains 8 spectral-reflectance curves, 1 diagram.
 Condition: good.

 15$

 39) HENDERSON

 E.P.Henderson:
 Meteorites and their Metallic Constituents.
 Separate Print from the Smithsonian Annual Report, Washington 1943

 14 pages + 6 full-page tables, showing views of entire Freda and Tulia,
 etched slices of Bennett County, Negrillo, Grand Rapids, El Burro, Sandia
 Mountains, Reed City
 And micrographs of Tennasilm, Sharps, Shallowater, Nordheim, Hoba, Iquique,
 Tlacotepec.

 Condition: very good.

 25$


 40) MASON I.

 Brian Mason:
 The Classification of Chondritic Meteorites.
 American Museum Novitates N°2085, New York 1962.

 20 pages. Near mint.

 25$


 41) MASON II.

 Brian Mason:
 The Hypersthene Achondrites.
 American Museum Novitates N°2155, New York 1963.

 15 pages. 1 photomicrograph. Very good.

 20$


 42) MASON III.

 Brian Mason:
 The Chemical Composition of Olivine-Bronzite and Olivine-Hypersthene
 Chondrites.
 American Museum Novitates N°2223, New York 1965.

 38 pages. Multnomah library stamp on front. Mint.

 40$

 ALL 3 MASONS:   75$


 43) MOORE

 C.B.Moore, C.F.Lewis:
 The Distribution 

Re: [meteorite-list] One ad per week, one pet per sailor - parrots preferred.

2009-10-16 Thread michael cottingham

Hello,

You are referring to the statement I made, and I reread it and I see  
that I was not clear.


Many years ago, there was not an AD Ban or a 1 Ad a week rule, this  
was before your time on the list. In those days, a huge amount of ads  
coincided with a multitude of diverse meteorite topics. It is in my  
opinion that in the days of many ads, we had better and more serious  
topics on meteorites than we do today. The topics today are fine, but  
in the old days they were richer in content. My opinion. The many ads  
and many better topics have nothing to do with each other THAN they  
coincided with each other on this list with NO PROBLEM. Until, a small  
percentage of people whined and complained, until the complaining  
became THE PROBLEM -NOT THE ADS.


Yes Art owns the list, Yes, we owe a great debt of gratitude to Art  
and many thanks. However, when the day comes that people make someone  
else the GOD and RULER, not to be challenged or questioned, than that  
of course is the day when decay begins. All I have asked is for a vote  
on the issue which concerns 900+ people. I have always thought this  
was a good idea-since an immense amount of complaining centers around  
the issue.  I will be leaving the list shortly, but the issue will not  
be resolved by my leaving because your root problem will still be with  
you. At least my ads will be gone and that should make some of you  
very happy.


Think about it - if there is not a challenge of open discussion (like  
voting on a topic)  than what you have is a no growth situation that  
leads to decay.  My opinion.


Yes Art owns the list, Yes, we owe a great debt of gratitude to Art  
and many thanks.  However, to make Art's word or anyones word the  
final say on a subject. Is insane. History shows that to be true.


No worries though, everything is good too.

Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham

On Oct 16, 2009, at 9:07 AM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks wrote:


Hi List,

THE BEST TOPICS. THE BEST CONVERSTION ON METEORITES COINCIDED WITH
THE MOST ADS.

I respectfully disagree here.  I've seen perfectly good questions
about meteoritics posted in the past, only to hear crickets and see
tumbleweeds in response.  More often than not, the preponderance of
ads on the list is distracting at best.  I adhere to the rule and I
expect others to, regardless of how they justify themselves.  A $50
sale for me can make the difference between buying groceries or paying
a bill, yet I post no more than one ad a week.(admittedly, once or
twice in two+ years I have broken this rule)   It's incredulous to
think that someone with a million dollar collection needs sales so bad
that the rules must broken, again and again.  I could probably use the
sales more than 99% of the rule breakers.  When was the last time the
big dealers rolled coins to buy gas or groceries?

All of this is moot anyway - the only opinion on this issue that
matters is Art's.  Until he chimes in, all of this discord is
pointless.

Like someone else said before - contact Art in private and discuss
this with him.  There are 1000+ people here to learn about meteorites
- I would wager that most of them don't care to hear all of this
belly-aching over advertisements.

Back to my original point - many of the best discussions on this list
(in my ~2 years here) have not centered around ads.  I can cite
examples from the archives, but again - I'm not Art, so who cares?

A piece of friendly advice for the anti-ad crowd - use your inbox  
filters!


I haven't seen an ad from any of the rule breakers in months - they go
straight to my junk bin.

Best regards and clear skies,

MikeG

PS - AD! - I have Udei Station, Gibeon and Seymchan etched slices
available for sale!  Contact me offlist for details.  These are not on
my website and come from my collection cabinet. :)






On 10/15/09, michael cottingham mikew...@gilanet.com wrote:

Hello,

DITTO. Also the days when we had the MOST ads, were the most
productive on the list. THE BEST TOPICS. THE BEST CONVERSTION ON
METEORITES COINCIDED WITH THE MOST ADS. So a big part of this whole
topic is BULLSHIT.  If you really want to do it right for THE FIRST
TIME -have a real vote. I HAVE BEEN ON THIS LIST LONGER THAN 70% of
the folks on this list. So if you want a true historical perspective
maybe ask someone who's been here a lot longer than the critics...

Michael Cottingham
On Oct 15, 2009, at 12:13 PM, dean bessey wrote:


The fact seems to be forgotten that a consensus was taken by Art
about advertising in his forum.  Advertising is a privilege, not a
right and Art was considering having no ads at all due to abuse.
The consensus, at the time, was that way too many ads were being
posted and that one-ad-per-week should be  a rule.   List members
input was taken into account so this was not only Art's wishes but
the majority of other members as well. SNIP




This is flat out wrong. There never was any consensus. Art went on
record as saying that he did not mind ads.

Re: [meteorite-list] ONE AD PER WEEK I have an idea!

2009-05-01 Thread Carl 's


I may be in the silent majority or minority but I actually enjoy going thru 
each AD on this list. No matter if it's the same seller with ADS several times 
a week. I've picked up quite a few deals offered. Perhaps it's because I'm so 
new in collecting meteorites that it's fun to get new pieces vs. the older 
collectors that already have everything and is tired of hearing about it. 
Thanks!

Carl

PS. I hope you all don't kill me if there is a sudden deluge of ADs all of a 
sudden!

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Re: [meteorite-list] ONE AD PER WEEK I have an idea!

2009-05-01 Thread GeoZay

I may be in the silent majority or  minority but I actually enjoy going 
thru each AD on this list. No matter if it's  the same seller with ADS 
several times a week. I've picked up quite a few deals  offered. Perhaps it's 
because I'm so new in collecting meteorites that it's fun  to get new pieces 
vs. 
the older collectors that already have everything and is  tired of hearing 
about it. Thanks!

Carl

I agree with you  whole heartedly. For example, I get a lot of Eric 
Wichmann's ads over his  private list and I often take a looksy...even though I 
haven't bought anything  since he's formed that list. But I like to see what 
he's offering and someday I  just might see that particular goody and will 
make a purchase. Whenever I get  tired of a certain individual's ad, I know 
where my delete button is and I can  easily recognize Eric's email address. The 
same goes for Cottingham's offers. I  think he's a bit high priced, but I 
like looking at them all the same. My wife  and I agreed on how much I will 
spend on such trinkets on a monthly basis, thus  I'm a little descriminating 
with my purchases. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] ONE AD PER WEEK I have an idea!

2009-05-01 Thread Pekka Savolainen


How about no ADS at all, but commercial information allowed... ;-)
Think we all have a del-key in our keyboards.

best,

pekka s


geo...@aol.com kirjoitti:
I may be in the silent majority or  minority but I actually enjoy going 
  
thru each AD on this list. No matter if it's  the same seller with ADS 
several times a week. I've picked up quite a few deals  offered. Perhaps it's 
because I'm so new in collecting meteorites that it's fun  to get new pieces vs. 
the older collectors that already have everything and is  tired of hearing 
about it. Thanks!


Carl

I agree with you  whole heartedly. For example, I get a lot of Eric 
Wichmann's ads over his  private list and I often take a looksy...even though I 
haven't bought anything  since he's formed that list. But I like to see what 
he's offering and someday I  just might see that particular goody and will 
make a purchase. Whenever I get  tired of a certain individual's ad, I know 
where my delete button is and I can  easily recognize Eric's email address. The 
same goes for Cottingham's offers. I  think he's a bit high priced, but I 
like looking at them all the same. My wife  and I agreed on how much I will 
spend on such trinkets on a monthly basis, thus  I'm a little descriminating 
with my purchases. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] ONE AD PER WEEK I have an idea!

2009-05-01 Thread GeoZay


After all, everyone was jumping  all over Steve Arnold for his ads, but 
it seems the same are ready to defend  others for the same thing... Isnt that 
a little odd?

There might  be some on this topic a little wishy washy, but I for one 
defended Steve to make  his ad posts as I'm in favor of others that are doing 
it 
now. I personally  wondered once Steve leaves, who was gonna take up the 
banner of being the  whipping boy on this list and who were gonna do the 
whipping. :O)
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Re: [meteorite-list] ONE AD PER WEEK I have an idea!

2009-05-01 Thread GeoZay



On the other hand, I am on  the list for science information, and on any 
chance of a Wyoming fall.
I buy  my meteorites from trusted associates I have known for years and 
don't need to  shop farther than them. I bet better prices from them than these 
hot sale  offers.

My finger gets tired of delete, delete, delete delete, HOT SALE  DELETE 
DELETE DELETE AND THIS IS IN MY SPAM BOX, 

As for the  science information goes, I think there is a fair amount of 
that being posted.  The ads haven't crowded them out for me, nor have the 
science info crowded any  of the ads. My god man...if your finger gets tired 
hitting the delete button,  you need to do more than exercising your finger. 
Try 
some jumping jacks. :O) I  don't shop for the sales...I shop for the 
bargains, wherever they may creep up  at. I've found that if one is patient 
enuf, 
a bargain crops up once in awhile. I  know what I want and hang in the back 
ground till I come across the offer. Just  because I have a certain amount 
of money available, doesn't mean I'm gonna spend  it foolishly. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] ONE AD PER WEEK I have an idea!

2009-05-01 Thread bill kies

I enjoy ads. Ads are the life blood of the meteorite world. Ads are 
educational. If people were not making money there would be so much less 
motivation to scour the world at their own expense. We'd have to depend on the 
sorry few, institutionalized characters, that would have us believe that they 
are the custodians of all things meteoric as they do nothing. Much like 
archaeologists that insist amateurs can't be sanctioned to excavate in front of 
the bulldosers.
 
Ads are beautiful, once a week.
 
GeoZ. I'm surprised at your take on this. I've never seen a rule breaker 
survive over at meteorobs.
 



 From: carloselgua...@hotmail.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 13:03:04 -0700
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ONE AD PER WEEK I have an idea!



 I may be in the silent majority or minority but I actually enjoy going thru 
 each AD on this list. No matter if it's the same seller with ADS several 
 times a week. I've picked up quite a few deals offered. Perhaps it's because 
 I'm so new in collecting meteorites that it's fun to get new pieces vs. the 
 older collectors that already have everything and is tired of hearing about 
 it. Thanks!

 Carl

 PS. I hope you all don't kill me if there is a sudden deluge of ADs all of a 
 sudden!

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Re: [meteorite-list] ONE AD PER WEEK I have an idea!

2009-05-01 Thread Galactic Stone Ironworks
What kills me if that the IMCA looks the other way while it's members
make a mockery of Art's rules.

Apparently they aren't concerned too much about their public image.
Other organizations would give the boot to members who flagrantly
violate rules of public venues.   Not only are the rules selectively
enforced here on the list, but apparently the IMCA follows a similar
strategy.



On 5/1/09, bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com wrote:

 I enjoy ads. Ads are the life blood of the meteorite world. Ads are
 educational. If people were not making money there would be so much less
 motivation to scour the world at their own expense. We'd have to depend on
 the sorry few, institutionalized characters, that would have us believe that
 they are the custodians of all things meteoric as they do nothing. Much like
 archaeologists that insist amateurs can't be sanctioned to excavate in front
 of the bulldosers.

 Ads are beautiful, once a week.

 GeoZ. I'm surprised at your take on this. I've never seen a rule breaker
 survive over at meteorobs.



 
 From: carloselgua...@hotmail.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 13:03:04 -0700
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ONE AD PER WEEK I have an idea!



 I may be in the silent majority or minority but I actually enjoy going
 thru each AD on this list. No matter if it's the same seller with ADS
 several times a week. I've picked up quite a few deals offered. Perhaps
 it's because I'm so new in collecting meteorites that it's fun to get new
 pieces vs. the older collectors that already have everything and is tired
 of hearing about it. Thanks!

 Carl

 PS. I hope you all don't kill me if there is a sudden deluge of ADs all of
 a sudden!

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Re: [meteorite-list] ONE AD PER WEEK I have an idea!

2009-05-01 Thread GeoZay

GeoZ. I'm surprised at your take on  this. I've never seen a rule breaker 
survive over at  meteorobs.

And you don't see much activity over there either.  Most of my posts gets 
shelved for days/weeks at a time that it's not worth the  bother by the time 
they do.Too many stringent rules stifle activity. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] ONE AD PER WEEK I have an idea!

2009-05-01 Thread Mark Crawford

Mike, I don't understand what point you're trying to make here.

IMCA is IMCA, MetList is an open email forum (very lightly) moderated by 
Art. They are not in any way related, other than the obvious fact that 
the community is small, many IMCA members are list members, and vice versa.


If you're suggesting that IMCA should 'do something' about Bill's 
comments, according to the web site he's not a member; IMCA therefore 
has no jurisdiction. If you're talking about someone else then I'm just 
confused.


?

Galactic Stone  Ironworks wrote:

What kills me if that the IMCA looks the other way while it's members
make a mockery of Art's rules.

Apparently they aren't concerned too much about their public image.
Other organizations would give the boot to members who flagrantly
violate rules of public venues.   Not only are the rules selectively
enforced here on the list, but apparently the IMCA follows a similar
strategy.

  




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Re: [meteorite-list] ONE AD PER WEEK I have an idea!

2009-05-01 Thread Jerry Flaherty
Bill, I don't often waste precious time getting involved in such obvious 
drivel, but it's obvious to everyone with one exception that this non-issue 
has taken up enough bandwidth, delete strokes and patience of the silent 
majority of the List.

You've made your point
Jerry Flaherty
- Original Message - 
From: bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com

To: carloselgua...@hotmail.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ONE AD PER WEEK I have an idea!



I enjoy ads. Ads are the life blood of the meteorite world. Ads are 
educational. If people were not making money there would be so much less 
motivation to scour the world at their own expense. We'd have to depend on 
the sorry few, institutionalized characters, that would have us believe that 
they are the custodians of all things meteoric as they do nothing. Much like 
archaeologists that insist amateurs can't be sanctioned to excavate in front 
of the bulldosers.


Ads are beautiful, once a week.

GeoZ. I'm surprised at your take on this. I've never seen a rule breaker 
survive over at meteorobs.






From: carloselgua...@hotmail.com
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 13:03:04 -0700
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ONE AD PER WEEK I have an idea!



I may be in the silent majority or minority but I actually enjoy going 
thru each AD on this list. No matter if it's the same seller with ADS 
several times a week. I've picked up quite a few deals offered. Perhaps 
it's because I'm so new in collecting meteorites that it's fun to get new 
pieces vs. the older collectors that already have everything and is tired 
of hearing about it. Thanks!


Carl

PS. I hope you all don't kill me if there is a sudden deluge of ADs all of 
a sudden!


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Re: [meteorite-list] ONE AD PER WEEK I have an idea!

2009-05-01 Thread Galactic Stone Ironworks
It's probably a poor analogy, but here goes :

If someone wins the Miss America crown, they are expected to behave a
certain way in public because that behavior reflects upon the Miss
America institution.  The same can be said for many organizations
whose members interact with the public - they must uphold the
expectations placed upon them by their affiliations.  Furthermore,
public perception often carries more weight than the actions of the
person in question.

I'm not one of those list members who maintains a tally sheet of who
posts how many ads and when - I am not that anal.  But when the issue
becomes a point of contention in a public forum, those affiliated with
the person in question must examine how these behaviors reflect upon
the organization as a whole.

Chicago Steve was not an IMCA member, AFAIK.  I don't know about Mr.
Cottingham.  Is he a member?  If not, then this point of mine is moot.
 If he is a member, then my original point stands - any organization
concerned with it's image should ensure that it's members
(representatives to the public) obey all rules of etiquette demanded
by a particular venue they choose to participate in.  To flaunt the
rules not only reflects poorly in the individual doing it, it reflects
poorly on any group or organization they represent.  That's all I was
trying to say.

FWIW, I have no personal issue with Mr. Cottingham.  He's always been
square with me when we have done some minor deals.  Seems like a nice
guy.  But his recent posting of multiple ads in defiance of the rules
has caused some bickering on this list and it looks bad - for all
concerned, regardless of what explanations are behind it.  Perception
is often more important than substance - especially when commercial
enterprises are concerned.

Best regards,

MikeG


On 5/1/09, Mark Crawford m...@meteorites.cc wrote:
 Mike, I don't understand what point you're trying to make here.

 IMCA is IMCA, MetList is an open email forum (very lightly) moderated by
 Art. They are not in any way related, other than the obvious fact that
 the community is small, many IMCA members are list members, and vice versa.

 If you're suggesting that IMCA should 'do something' about Bill's
 comments, according to the web site he's not a member; IMCA therefore
 has no jurisdiction. If you're talking about someone else then I'm just
 confused.

 ?

 Galactic Stone  Ironworks wrote:
 What kills me if that the IMCA looks the other way while it's members
 make a mockery of Art's rules.

 Apparently they aren't concerned too much about their public image.
 Other organizations would give the boot to members who flagrantly
 violate rules of public venues.   Not only are the rules selectively
 enforced here on the list, but apparently the IMCA follows a similar
 strategy.





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Re: [meteorite-list] ONE AD PER WEEK I have an idea!

2009-05-01 Thread Impactika
Mike, 

Your point is moot.

Mike Cottingham is not a member of the IMCA.
Neither is Steve Arnold (Chicago) and Bill Kies.

The Membership List is published on the IMCA website, and regularly 
updated. You might want to look at it:  
_http://imca.cc/index.php?option=com_cb_searchtask=usersListItemid=11_ 
(http://imca.cc/index.php?option=com_cb_searchtask=usersListItemid=11) 
 
Thank you.
 
Anne M. Black
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In a message dated 5/1/2009 6:41:26 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
meteoritem...@gmail.com writes:
It's probably a poor analogy, but here goes :

If someone wins the Miss America crown, they are expected to behave a
certain way in public because that behavior reflects upon the Miss
America institution.  The same can be said for many organizations
whose members interact with the public - they must uphold the
expectations placed upon them by their affiliations.  Furthermore,
public perception often carries more weight than the actions of the
person in question.

I'm not one of those list members who maintains a tally sheet of who
posts how many ads and when - I am not that anal.  But when the issue
becomes a point of contention in a public forum, those affiliated with
the person in question must examine how these behaviors reflect upon
the organization as a whole.

Chicago Steve was not an IMCA member, AFAIK.  I don't know about Mr.
Cottingham.  Is he a member?  If not, then this point of mine is moot.
If he is a member, then my original point stands - any organization
concerned with it's image should ensure that it's members
(representatives to the public) obey all rules of etiquette demanded
by a particular venue they choose to participate in.  To flaunt the
rules not only reflects poorly in the individual doing it, it reflects
poorly on any group or organization they represent.  That's all I was
trying to say.

FWIW, I have no personal issue with Mr. Cottingham.  He's always been
square with me when we have done some minor deals.  Seems like a nice
guy.  But his recent posting of multiple ads in defiance of the rules
has caused some bickering on this list and it looks bad - for all
concerned, regardless of what explanations are behind it.  Perception
is often more important than substance - especially when commercial
enterprises are concerned.

Best regards,

MikeG


On 5/1/09, Mark Crawford m...@meteorites.cc wrote:
 Mike, I don't understand what point you're trying to make here.

 IMCA is IMCA, MetList is an open email forum (very lightly) moderated by
 Art. They are not in any way related, other than the obvious fact that
 the community is small, many IMCA members are list members, and vice 
versa.

 If you're suggesting that IMCA should 'do something' about Bill's
 comments, according to the web site he's not a member; IMCA therefore
 has no jurisdiction. If you're talking about someone else then I'm just
 confused.

 ?

 Galactic Stone  Ironworks wrote:
 What kills me if that the IMCA looks the other way while it's members
 make a mockery of Art's rules.

 Apparently they aren't concerned too much about their public image.
 Other organizations would give the boot to members who flagrantly
 violate rules of public venues.   Not only are the rules selectively
 enforced here on the list, but apparently the IMCA follows a similar
 strategy.
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[meteorite-list] ONE AD PER WEEK

2009-04-30 Thread bill kies


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Re: [meteorite-list] ONE AD PER WEEK

2009-04-30 Thread dean bessey

How about we make a new rule. 
Only one bitching about it posting allowed per ad posting
Cheers
DEAN

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Re: [meteorite-list] ONE AD PER WEEK I have an idea!

2009-04-30 Thread STARSANDSCOPES
I agree with Dean, the negative vibe on this  list has been high.  I can 
think of several people whom I respect in the  meteorite world (some who work 
in teaching and or research) that will not use  the list because of this 
atmosphere. 

Let's face it, the list is about  communication of information on 
meteorites.  That might be scientific  information or sales information.  Were 
all 
collectors so it's ALL  GOOD!  Abuse of advertising should be addressed by 
the list administrator  ONLY!   All sounding off from anyone about anything 
related to  advertising does harm to the list and it's reputation (right now 
it has earned a  very hostile reputation).

My idea?  Let's start a new thread on your  favorite dealers.

I'll start and I'll start with Dean Bessey.  Dean  was one of the first 
dealers to offer beautiful unclassified NWA's for (at the  time) unheard of low 
prices.  No where could you get large beautiful  meteorites for the price 
he was asking.  It is because of Dean I got hooked  on meteorites.  Over many 
years I have purchased over 200 Kg (no kidding)  from him and have loved 
every one.

Dean has launched many new meteorite  collectors.

Thanks Dean,  Tom Phillips

In a message dated  4/30/2009 7:06:45 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, 
deanbes...@yahoo.com  writes:

How about we make a new rule. 
Only one bitching about it  posting allowed per ad posting
Cheers
DEAN

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 From: bill kies  parkforest...@hotmail.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] ONE AD PER  WEEK
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Thursday,  April 30, 2009, 5:32 PM
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Re: [meteorite-list] ONE AD PER WEEK I have an idea!

2009-04-30 Thread Galactic Stone Ironworks
Hi Tom and List!

I am one of those people who has, on occasion, stuck my foot into my
considerable mouth here on this list.  In some way, I have contributed
to the negative atmosphere at times.  I have sincerely apologized for
those couple of rants I posted and I have tried to maintain a sense of
positive decorum since then.  Recently I poked fun at Michael
Cottingham and his ads with my own parody ad - which I hope was taken
in good spirit because there was no hostile intent behind it.

But I have to agree here with Tom on the point of group moderation.
Whether the venue is a email list or a message board/forum, the
moderating should be left to the moderators and/or administrator.
Unlike most forum scripts which have a notify moderator button on
each post, this list does not have that function.  In the future, I
suggest that those with complaints about other users should direct
those complaints off-list to the offending person in question, or to
the list administrator.

As for Tom's idea of praising our favorite dealers, I will chime in here 

I have a lot of favored trading partners, but some have really stood
out above the rest in recent weeks -

John Humphries (Arizona Johnny)

Eric Twelker of Meteorite Market

Derik Bower

Noah Daleo

Greg Catterton

Roman Jirasek

Rob Wesel

Mike Jensen

And yes, Dean Bessey - I look forward to opening my latest package
from down under. :)

There are others I am forgetting, so my apologies to those I have overlooked.

Best regards,

MikeG




On 4/30/09, starsandsco...@aol.com starsandsco...@aol.com wrote:
 I agree with Dean, the negative vibe on this  list has been high.  I can
 think of several people whom I respect in the  meteorite world (some who
 work
 in teaching and or research) that will not use  the list because of this
 atmosphere.

 Let's face it, the list is about  communication of information on
 meteorites.  That might be scientific  information or sales information.
 Were all
 collectors so it's ALL  GOOD!  Abuse of advertising should be addressed by
 the list administrator  ONLY!   All sounding off from anyone about anything
 related to  advertising does harm to the list and it's reputation (right now
 it has earned a  very hostile reputation).

 My idea?  Let's start a new thread on your  favorite dealers.

 I'll start and I'll start with Dean Bessey.  Dean  was one of the first
 dealers to offer beautiful unclassified NWA's for (at the  time) unheard of
 low
 prices.  No where could you get large beautiful  meteorites for the price
 he was asking.  It is because of Dean I got hooked  on meteorites.  Over
 many
 years I have purchased over 200 Kg (no kidding)  from him and have loved
 every one.

 Dean has launched many new meteorite  collectors.

 Thanks Dean,  Tom Phillips

 In a message dated  4/30/2009 7:06:45 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
 deanbes...@yahoo.com  writes:

 How about we make a new rule.
 Only one bitching about it  posting allowed per ad posting
 Cheers
 DEAN

 --- On Thu, 4/30/09,  bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com wrote:

 From: bill kies  parkforest...@hotmail.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] ONE AD PER  WEEK
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 Date: Thursday,  April 30, 2009, 5:32 PM
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Re: [meteorite-list] ONE AD PER WEEK I have an idea!

2009-04-30 Thread GREG LINDH

 
Hello all,
 
  I take pleasure in contributing to the topic of who are your favorite 
dealers.
  My list follows:
 
  1)  Dean Bessy: Dean has always given a good product for a very reasonable 
price.  I've never been disappointed with his meteorites.  I realize that he 
mainly deals in NWAs, but I have no problem with that.  He has been a gentleman 
and has worked with me in making the deals smoothly and efficiently.  Once 
again: Dean doesn't charge an arm and a leg for his stuff.
  
  2)  Eric Twelker:  Another gentleman whose merchandise is also very 
reasonably priced.  Eric has also taken the time to help inform me privately 
about certain meteorites that I've bought from him.  Once again: Eric also 
doesn't charge an arm and a leg for his stuff.
 
  3)  Jack Lacroix:  Jack is my best source for Campo Del Cielos (one of my 
favorite meteorites, cuz they look so cool).  His merchandise is top quality 
and his prices are superb.  He also has been very kind to methe novice.  
Once again: Jack doesn't charge an arm and a leg for his stuff.  (Beginning to 
see a trend here?)
 
  4)  Michael Cottingham:  Michael has a wide variety of meteorites that are 
way cool and he has priced many of them within my meager reach.  Thanks 
Michael.  He has always sent me my meteorites promptly and I've never been 
disappointed.  One last time:  Michael also does not charge an arm and a leg 
for his stuff.
 
  For what it's worth, that's my list.
 
  Greg Lindh
 
 

 From: starsandsco...@aol.com
 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:42:34 -0400
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ONE AD PER WEEK I have an idea!
 
 I agree with Dean, the negative vibe on this list has been high. I can 
 think of several people whom I respect in the meteorite world (some who work 
 in teaching and or research) that will not use the list because of this 
 atmosphere. 
 
 Let's face it, the list is about communication of information on 
 meteorites. That might be scientific information or sales information. Were 
 all 
 collectors so it's ALL GOOD! Abuse of advertising should be addressed by 
 the list administrator ONLY! All sounding off from anyone about anything 
 related to advertising does harm to the list and it's reputation (right now 
 it has earned a very hostile reputation).
 
 My idea? Let's start a new thread on your favorite dealers.
 
 I'll start and I'll start with Dean Bessey. Dean was one of the first 
 dealers to offer beautiful unclassified NWA's for (at the time) unheard of 
 low 
 prices. No where could you get large beautiful meteorites for the price 
 he was asking. It is because of Dean I got hooked on meteorites. Over many 
 years I have purchased over 200 Kg (no kidding) from him and have loved 
 every one.
 
 Dean has launched many new meteorite collectors.
 
 Thanks Dean, Tom Phillips
 
 In a message dated 4/30/2009 7:06:45 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, 
 deanbes...@yahoo.com writes:
 
 How about we make a new rule. 
 Only one bitching about it posting allowed per ad posting
 Cheers
 DEAN
 
 --- On Thu, 4/30/09, bill kies  wrote:
 
 From: bill kies 
 Subject: [meteorite-list] ONE AD PER WEEK
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 5:32 PM
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Re: RE: [meteorite-list] One Ad Per Week

2006-10-29 Thread dean bessey
You know the list would be a lot more pleasant if we
had less emails complaining about ads than the ads
themselves.
If you look though the archaives art is on record as
saying that he dont care and the list rules actually
hasnt been updated.
The list rule comment was only put on to satisify 3 or
4 complaining people who made more complaint postings
than the ads themselves who like being in control of
things (And who ironically often has their own version
of the rules and ways to supposedly make multiple sale
postings that dont violat rules such as making the
sales desguised as info postings or something - therby
breaking rules and still staying holier than thau but
staying the high road in complaining about other
people).
Get a life guys. Dont you have better things to do
than complain about than having to delete 3 extra
pieces of spam in the dozens or hundreds that you get
every day. Even the habitual rule breakers clearly
state their postings as ads making it easy to delete
for those not wanting the ads (Unlike some of the ads
announcing the latest greatest meteorite ever until
tomorrows latest greatest meteorite ever ad).
Lets talk about something important - like all of my
new NWAs that I will have in munich. Now thats the
latest greatest meteorite news ever. If you dont like
the ads just delete my munich sales without reading
them.
Go get a life and stop bitching like a bunch of
miserable crousty old ladies talking politics and old 
boyfriends at a bookclub meeting and have fun with
meteorites. Thats what this list is for.
DEAN


 

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Re: [meteorite-list] One Ad Per Week

2006-10-29 Thread Deborah Martin

At 03:33 AM 29/10/2006, you wrote:


Get a life guys. Dont you have better things to do
than complain about than having to delete 3 extra
pieces of spam in the dozens or hundreds that you get
every day. Even the habitual rule breakers clearly
state their postings as ads making it easy to delete
for those not wanting the ads (Unlike some of the ads
announcing the latest greatest meteorite ever until
tomorrows latest greatest meteorite ever ad).


I usually don't get dragged in these debates since I much prefer to 
lurk.  However, I do object to the above; it sounds suspiciously like 
the empty justifications and rhetoric you get from spammers: Use the 
delete key.  In case some people have forgotten it, computers are 
usually located in members' *private* homes.  What right do you have 
to a) break an established rule on this list and b) to impose these 
extra ads on members on the rather shaky ground that Dont you have 
better things to do than complain about than having to delete 3 extra 
pieces of spam in the dozens or hundreds that you get every day on 
members' *personal* computers ?


Yes, the List is about meteorites; so let's talk about them.

Andre Bordeleau


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Re: [meteorite-list] One Ad Per Week

2006-10-29 Thread Dave Freeman mjwy
GREAT IDEA, FORWARD THE OFFENDING SPAM ADDS BACK TO THE SENDER. WHEN THE 
MAIL BOX GETS FULL OF DELETE THIS  SPAMS...THE IDEA GETS PRIORITY.

Dave F.

dean bessey wrote:


You know the list would be a lot more pleasant if we
had less emails complaining about ads than the ads
themselves.
If you look though the archaives art is on record as
saying that he dont care and the list rules actually
hasnt been updated.
The list rule comment was only put on to satisify 3 or
4 complaining people who made more complaint postings
than the ads themselves who like being in control of
things (And who ironically often has their own version
of the rules and ways to supposedly make multiple sale
postings that dont violat rules such as making the
sales desguised as info postings or something - therby
breaking rules and still staying holier than thau but
staying the high road in complaining about other
people).
Get a life guys. Dont you have better things to do
than complain about than having to delete 3 extra
pieces of spam in the dozens or hundreds that you get
every day. Even the habitual rule breakers clearly
state their postings as ads making it easy to delete
for those not wanting the ads (Unlike some of the ads
announcing the latest greatest meteorite ever until
tomorrows latest greatest meteorite ever ad).
Lets talk about something important - like all of my
new NWAs that I will have in munich. Now thats the
latest greatest meteorite news ever. If you dont like
the ads just delete my munich sales without reading
them.
Go get a life and stop bitching like a bunch of
miserable crousty old ladies talking politics and old 
boyfriends at a bookclub meeting and have fun with

meteorites. Thats what this list is for.
DEAN




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[meteorite-list] one AD per week rule.

2006-10-28 Thread joseph_town
I don't remember any exceptions written into the one AD per week rule. It's 
pretty simple and until Art says otherwise it should be respected. A lot of 
dealers as well as dealers would bury us with mindless garbage and hype if 
not for this basic guideline. 10 kilo lunar in your attic or not. One AD per 
week works.

Bill

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[meteorite-list] One Ad Per Week

2006-10-27 Thread Adam Hupe

David,

If you recall, Art took a poll about this very subject and the vast majority 
of the List members stated that anything more than one ad per week was 
excessive. Art then posted the one ad per week rule to the List.  It seems 
that almost everybody honors this rule and it is more than just a 
gentlemen's agreement.


Not honoring this rule when everybody else does is just plan disrespectful. 
David, Take for instance, the long lines at the Disneyworld zoo where you 
work in Orlando.  If somebody were to take cuts to the front of one of these 
long lines and damage the air with a methane release right in front of you, 
most would consider this pretty rude.  Or maybe you wouldn't since you are 
used to being surrounding by the smell of animal fecal matter due to your 
profession.


Adam




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Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 5:28 AM
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I think the rule should be amended to one ad per week per family.

David




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RE: [meteorite-list] One Ad Per Week

2006-10-27 Thread stan .



Not honoring this rule when everybody else does is just plan disrespectful. 
David, Take for instance, the long lines at the Disneyworld zoo where you 
work in Orlando.  If somebody were to take cuts to the front of one of 
these long lines and damage the air with a methane release right in front 
of you, most would consider this pretty rude.


at disneyworld they have something known as a fast pass (or is it a speed 
pass) allowing you to cut infront of the line and wait 5 minutes to get on 
your favorite ride instead of an hour. i'd say that most list members 
(including the owner) would agree that given the spectacular nature of the 
photos Mike linked he was just using a fast pass.


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Re: RE: [meteorite-list] One Ad Per Week

2006-10-27 Thread Darren Garrison
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:53:09 +, you wrote:



Not honoring this rule when everybody else does is just plan disrespectful. 
David, Take for instance, the long lines at the Disneyworld zoo where you 
work in Orlando.  If somebody were to take cuts to the front of one of 
these long lines and damage the air with a methane release right in front 
of you, most would consider this pretty rude.

at disneyworld they have something known as a fast pass (or is it a speed 
pass) allowing you to cut infront of the line and wait 5 minutes to get on 
your favorite ride instead of an hour. i'd say that most list members 
(including the owner) would agree that given the spectacular nature of the 
photos Mike linked he was just using a fast pass.

I for one appreciated the amazing photos of Mike's great new iron.  The and you
can buy some of it, too part was pretty much an afterthought on it to me
(especially since buying any of it is out of the question for me for the
forseeable future).  (Although it might be fun to make Mike eat the cut in
line roach anyway http://wusatv9.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=52629)
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[meteorite-list] One ad per week rule

2006-10-27 Thread Bob Evans

Adam,
Maybe this one week rule should be reconsidered.
Obviously it was implemented to eliminate spam. Major dealers like Mike and 
yourself should be able to post more often. You guys produce a significant 
amount of new and exciting material to validate more public offers.
Im sure most of us want to know about whats new and don't want to be 
inconvenienced by some silly one week ad rule.
I believe goofy Steve Arnold and his Campos Sales spamfest is what prompted 
Art to implement the rule.
So why not take a chance and post an ad maybe twice a week. Im sure what you 
have to offer will be exceptional, don't you?
Don't worry about the whiners on the list. They are here to stay. Hell, 
that's what they are here for. Just a few crybabies who only feel better 
about themselves if they are pointing their finger in the other direction.

Go ahead Adam. Mike does it, why shouldn't you?

Bob

- Original Message - 
From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 1:20 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Silicated iron slices are here! AMAZING!



What ever happen to the one ad per week rule?


- Original Message - 
From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:48 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Silicated iron slices are here! AMAZING!



http://meteoriteguy.com/collection/Patagoniairon.htm

Take a look at this, I got a box full of slices today,
and they are simply breathtaking! Marlin Cilz told me
he has not cut a more beautful iron.
What do the list members think the large emerald green
crystals are? Pyroxene? Every slice seems to have one
or two of them. The silicated and etch pattern in the
silicated area reminds me a lot of Steinbach. The Smithsonian Institute 
will be doing the

classification on this new iron. The work will be
exhaustive and complete. I need to sell some now though, as I spent a lot 
of

cash on the meteorite. The photos speak for
themselves, this is one of he most beautiful Irons I
have ever had my hands on!
The price will be $5.00 gram, I have slices from about
80 grams up to almost 500 grams right now, more will
be coming in a couple of weeks. I only have 7 slices right now, so email 
quick for a

piece. Michael Farmer

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RE: [meteorite-list] One ad per week rule

2006-10-27 Thread Pete Pete

A two-tiered system of rules?
Ridiculous!

Your post sounds like major boot-licking at the expense of the rest of the 
List.


Just my one Canadian cent's worth.

CHEERS!
Pete




From: Bob Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] One ad per week rule
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:16:53 -0500

Adam,
Maybe this one week rule should be reconsidered.
Obviously it was implemented to eliminate spam. Major dealers like Mike and 
yourself should be able to post more often. You guys produce a significant 
amount of new and exciting material to validate more public offers.
Im sure most of us want to know about whats new and don't want to be 
inconvenienced by some silly one week ad rule.
I believe goofy Steve Arnold and his Campos Sales spamfest is what prompted 
Art to implement the rule.
So why not take a chance and post an ad maybe twice a week. Im sure what you 
have to offer will be exceptional, don't you?
Don't worry about the whiners on the list. They are here to stay. Hell, 
that's what they are here for. Just a few crybabies who only feel better 
about themselves if they are pointing their finger in the other direction.

Go ahead Adam. Mike does it, why shouldn't you?

Bob

- Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 1:20 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Silicated iron slices are here! AMAZING!



What ever happen to the one ad per week rule?


- Original Message - From: Michael Farmer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:48 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Silicated iron slices are here! AMAZING!



http://meteoriteguy.com/collection/Patagoniairon.htm

Take a look at this, I got a box full of slices today,
and they are simply breathtaking! Marlin Cilz told me
he has not cut a more beautful iron.
What do the list members think the large emerald green
crystals are? Pyroxene? Every slice seems to have one
or two of them. The silicated and etch pattern in the
silicated area reminds me a lot of Steinbach. The Smithsonian Institute 
will be doing the

classification on this new iron. The work will be
exhaustive and complete. I need to sell some now though, as I spent a lot 
of

cash on the meteorite. The photos speak for
themselves, this is one of he most beautiful Irons I
have ever had my hands on!
The price will be $5.00 gram, I have slices from about
80 grams up to almost 500 grams right now, more will
be coming in a couple of weeks. I only have 7 slices right now, so email 
quick for a

piece. Michael Farmer

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Re: RE: [meteorite-list] One Ad Per Week

2006-10-27 Thread Gerald Flaherty

Man, Where do you find this stuff??!!
It's most always right on target and definitely HUMORUS but you gotta live 
on line!!

Jerry Flaherty
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Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: RE: [meteorite-list] One Ad Per Week


On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:53:09 +, you wrote:




Not honoring this rule when everybody else does is just plan 
disrespectful.

David, Take for instance, the long lines at the Disneyworld zoo where you
work in Orlando.  If somebody were to take cuts to the front of one of
these long lines and damage the air with a methane release right in front
of you, most would consider this pretty rude.


at disneyworld they have something known as a fast pass (or is it a speed
pass) allowing you to cut infront of the line and wait 5 minutes to get on
your favorite ride instead of an hour. i'd say that most list members
(including the owner) would agree that given the spectacular nature of the
photos Mike linked he was just using a fast pass.


I for one appreciated the amazing photos of Mike's great new iron.  The and 
you

can buy some of it, too part was pretty much an afterthought on it to me
(especially since buying any of it is out of the question for me for the
forseeable future).  (Although it might be fun to make Mike eat the cut in
line roach anyway http://wusatv9.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=52629)
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