Re: [meteorite-list] WANTED: small unclassified type 3's
Hi William, Michael, No need to get all anal about the verbage, this ain't a Supreme Court hearing. I guess I could have inserted the word possible, maybe even used the word potential, but thankfully there's reasonable people who've displayed the capability of understanding what I was getting at without the use of crystal clear lawyer speak such as what's written in a software User Agreement. Go ahead and critique every line and word that I wrote, I'll be the first to agree that it's probably wrought with problems, but I'm not going to rewrite it, nor am I going to take draft's of future documents to the english department of the nearest college for correction before posting. You're being overly reactionary in your reply to Michael. He raised a perfectly valid point: there is absolutely no way you can determine with confidence that an uncut meteorite (especially from NWA) is unequilibrated (type-3). By the way, I can tell the difference between a Murchison and NWA 2086, and would you beleive I can do so without the use of analysis. That is a completely different matter. Similarly, there just so happens to be the existence of some stones which can be determined to be type 3 without the use of analysis ... No -- not similarly. William, you need to be disabused of this notion, unless your some stones is extremely restrictive. ... so you mean to tell me that you'd have trouble being able to tell if a stone such as Begga was a type 3 or not without the use of analysis? YES, ABSOLUTELY, if that stone is uncut. No meteoriticist would ever claim an uncut stone was unequilibrated without seeing a thin section. Cheers, Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WANTED: small unclassified type 3's
Totally agreed Rob. As someone who collects primitive chondrites, I can say that there are heaps of examples you might think are Type-3 but turn out to be 4's. You absolutely need a thin section to tell with 100% certainty. Cheers, Jeff -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Rob Matson Sent: Friday, 7 June 2013 4:19 PM To: 'William Feek'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WANTED: small unclassified type 3's Hi William, Michael, No need to get all anal about the verbage, this ain't a Supreme Court hearing. I guess I could have inserted the word possible, maybe even used the word potential, but thankfully there's reasonable people who've displayed the capability of understanding what I was getting at without the use of crystal clear lawyer speak such as what's written in a software User Agreement. Go ahead and critique every line and word that I wrote, I'll be the first to agree that it's probably wrought with problems, but I'm not going to rewrite it, nor am I going to take draft's of future documents to the english department of the nearest college for correction before posting. You're being overly reactionary in your reply to Michael. He raised a perfectly valid point: there is absolutely no way you can determine with confidence that an uncut meteorite (especially from NWA) is unequilibrated (type-3). By the way, I can tell the difference between a Murchison and NWA 2086, and would you beleive I can do so without the use of analysis. That is a completely different matter. Similarly, there just so happens to be the existence of some stones which can be determined to be type 3 without the use of analysis ... No -- not similarly. William, you need to be disabused of this notion, unless your some stones is extremely restrictive. ... so you mean to tell me that you'd have trouble being able to tell if a stone such as Begga was a type 3 or not without the use of analysis? YES, ABSOLUTELY, if that stone is uncut. No meteoriticist would ever claim an uncut stone was unequilibrated without seeing a thin section. Cheers, Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WANTED: small unclassified type 3's
Aloha Jeff, Rob, Michael, and Scott, cc; metlist I can agree with both sides of the argument, that the only way to be absolutely sure an ordinary chondrite is a type 3 is to have it analyzed. However, many type 3 ordinary chondrite meteorites feature external characteristics that allow them to be recognized without analysis, or even being cut open, with a high degree of certainty. Perhaps Scott (William) would be better suited to state 'possible type 3' in his inquiry. Anybody want to tell me this uncut stone is not a type 3? ;^) https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.2138564189044.2133400.1394318075type=1 gary On Jun 6, 2013, at 10:23 PM, Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au wrote: Totally agreed Rob. As someone who collects primitive chondrites, I can say that there are heaps of examples you might think are Type-3 but turn out to be 4's. You absolutely need a thin section to tell with 100% certainty. Cheers, Jeff -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Rob Matson Sent: Friday, 7 June 2013 4:19 PM To: 'William Feek'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WANTED: small unclassified type 3's Hi William, Michael, No need to get all anal about the verbage, this ain't a Supreme Court hearing. I guess I could have inserted the word possible, maybe even used the word potential, but thankfully there's reasonable people who've displayed the capability of understanding what I was getting at without the use of crystal clear lawyer speak such as what's written in a software User Agreement. Go ahead and critique every line and word that I wrote, I'll be the first to agree that it's probably wrought with problems, but I'm not going to rewrite it, nor am I going to take draft's of future documents to the english department of the nearest college for correction before posting. You're being overly reactionary in your reply to Michael. He raised a perfectly valid point: there is absolutely no way you can determine with confidence that an uncut meteorite (especially from NWA) is unequilibrated (type-3). By the way, I can tell the difference between a Murchison and NWA 2086, and would you beleive I can do so without the use of analysis. That is a completely different matter. Similarly, there just so happens to be the existence of some stones which can be determined to be type 3 without the use of analysis ... No -- not similarly. William, you need to be disabused of this notion, unless your some stones is extremely restrictive. ... so you mean to tell me that you'd have trouble being able to tell if a stone such as Begga was a type 3 or not without the use of analysis? YES, ABSOLUTELY, if that stone is uncut. No meteoriticist would ever claim an uncut stone was unequilibrated without seeing a thin section. Cheers, Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites Inc. PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WANTED: small unclassified type 3's
Howdy, all. I agree that we can make educated guesses with high degrees of certainty, but until it's come from the lab calling something unclassified by a definitive classification is incorrect, despite how apparent its petrological type appears to be. Gary, I can't tell you that meteorite is not a type 3, but I also cannot say definitively that it is. It probably is, but that's as far as I would go. :) Michael in so. Cal. On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com wrote: Aloha Jeff, Rob, Michael, and Scott, cc; metlist I can agree with both sides of the argument, that the only way to be absolutely sure an ordinary chondrite is a type 3 is to have it analyzed. However, many type 3 ordinary chondrite meteorites feature external characteristics that allow them to be recognized without analysis, or even being cut open, with a high degree of certainty. Perhaps Scott (William) would be better suited to state 'possible type 3' in his inquiry. Anybody want to tell me this uncut stone is not a type 3? ;^) https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.2138564189044.2133400.1394318075type=1 gary On Jun 6, 2013, at 10:23 PM, Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au wrote: Totally agreed Rob. As someone who collects primitive chondrites, I can say that there are heaps of examples you might think are Type-3 but turn out to be 4's. You absolutely need a thin section to tell with 100% certainty. Cheers, Jeff -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Rob Matson Sent: Friday, 7 June 2013 4:19 PM To: 'William Feek'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WANTED: small unclassified type 3's Hi William, Michael, No need to get all anal about the verbage, this ain't a Supreme Court hearing. I guess I could have inserted the word possible, maybe even used the word potential, but thankfully there's reasonable people who've displayed the capability of understanding what I was getting at without the use of crystal clear lawyer speak such as what's written in a software User Agreement. Go ahead and critique every line and word that I wrote, I'll be the first to agree that it's probably wrought with problems, but I'm not going to rewrite it, nor am I going to take draft's of future documents to the english department of the nearest college for correction before posting. You're being overly reactionary in your reply to Michael. He raised a perfectly valid point: there is absolutely no way you can determine with confidence that an uncut meteorite (especially from NWA) is unequilibrated (type-3). By the way, I can tell the difference between a Murchison and NWA 2086, and would you beleive I can do so without the use of analysis. That is a completely different matter. Similarly, there just so happens to be the existence of some stones which can be determined to be type 3 without the use of analysis ... No -- not similarly. William, you need to be disabused of this notion, unless your some stones is extremely restrictive. ... so you mean to tell me that you'd have trouble being able to tell if a stone such as Begga was a type 3 or not without the use of analysis? YES, ABSOLUTELY, if that stone is uncut. No meteoriticist would ever claim an uncut stone was unequilibrated without seeing a thin section. Cheers, Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites Inc. PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WANTED: small unclassified type 3's
Thank you for the apology, William; you are a true gentleman. While I disagree that any debate on this matter is superfluous (my profession requires me to be exact in my language), I am glad you successfully acquired what you were after. Michael in so. Cal. On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 2:29 PM, William Feek lunarma...@hotmail.com wrote: To friend and foe alike, Besides the response from Mr. Mulgrew to my request, a number of you responded in the manner I was expecting, the result being I was successful at acquiring a few meteorites. It's that simple, I just wanted to get some meteorites, not invite a superfluous debate. Apparently a lot of people understood exactly what I intended for every single one of you that chose to send images, somehow you all managed to send nothing but images of exactly what I was looking for. So to those of you who responded accordingly and without the need to read anything more into my simple request, thank you very much, it was a pleasure to do business with you. This may come as a surprise after all I've said, but I do admit to having overreacted to Mr. Mulgrew's response, I amit I could just as easily have been diplomatic in expressing my dislike, I could also have chose to say nothing at all, so I do apologize for that not only to Mr. Mulgrew specifically, but also to everyone else on the list for w as ting their time with my unnecessary rant. I also want to give credit where credit is due, Mr. Mulgrew didn't respond to my rant, he could have retaliated, but he didn't, and I can applaud that. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WANTED: small unclassified type 3's
Thumperianism: The character Thumper first appears in the film Bambi, watching as Bambi is first presented as the young prince to the creatures of the forest. He remarks that Bambi is kinda wobbly but is reproved by his mother who makes him repeat what his father had impressed upon him that morning, If you can't say something nice, don't say nothing at all. This moral is now known by such names as the Thumperian principle, Thumper's rule or Thumper's law. Quote from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thumper_%28Bambi%29 Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: William Feek lunarma...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 4:29 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] RE: WANTED: small unclassified type 3's To friend and foe alike, Besides the response from Mr. Mulgrew to my request, a number of you responded in the manner I was expecting, the result being I was successful at acquiring a few meteorites. It's that simple, I just wanted to get some meteorites, not invite a superfluous debate. Apparently a lot of people understood exactly what I intended for every single one of you that chose to send images, somehow you all managed to send nothing but images of exactly what I was looking for. So to those of you who responded accordingly and without the need to read anything more into my simple request, thank you very much, it was a pleasure to do business with you. This may come as a surprise after all I've said, but I do admit to having overreacted to Mr. Mulgrew's response, I amit I could just as easily have been diplomatic in expressing my dislike, I could also have chose to say nothing at all, so I do apologize for that not only to Mr. Mulgrew specifically, but also to everyone else on the list for was ting their time with my unnecessary rant. I also want to give credit where credit is due, Mr. Mulgrew didn't respond to my rant, he could have retaliated, but he didn't, and I can applaud that. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] WANTED: small unclassified type 3's
Hola, Does anyone have any type 3 stones they'd be willing to sell, I'm mainly interested in L's, LL's and H's, but not so much the carbonaceous ones which are considerably more easy to come by. Concerning size, not quality, I'm not interested in anything worthy of classification, in other words anything big enough to make getting it classified a worthwhile proposition, so small ones are just fine with me, I'm more than happy to get anything in the 25g to 75g range. So I beg of you, please let me know if you've got anything. Send some memory hogging, computer bogging, massively high resolution images if you've got any. Just one last thing, cut stones are ok, but I prefer them whole. Thanks, and may the force be with all whom are similarly afflicted with a nasty addiction to meteorites. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WANTED: small unclassified type 3's
William, You wouldn't know it's a type 3 if it's unclassified. Michael in so. Cal. On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 4:22 PM, William Feek lunarma...@hotmail.com wrote: Hola, Does anyone have any type 3 stones they'd be willing to sell, I'm mainly interested in L's, LL's and H's, but not so much the carbonaceous ones which are considerably more easy to come by. Concerning size, not quality, I'm not interested in anything worthy of classification, in other words anything big enough to make getting it classified a worthwhile proposition, so small ones are just fine with me, I'm more than happy to get anything in the 25g to 75g range. So I beg of you, please let me know if you've got anything. Send some memory hogging, computer bogging, massively high resolution images if you've got any. Just one last thing, cut stones are ok, but I prefer them whole. Thanks, and may the force be with all whom are similarly afflicted with a nasty addiction to meteorites. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WANTED: small unclassified type 3's
Michael, No need to get all anal about the verbage, this ain't a Supreme Court hearing. I guess I could have inserted the word possible, maybe even used the word potential, but thankfully there's reasonable people who've displayed the capability of understanding what I was getting at without the use of crystal clear lawyer speak such as what's written in a software User Agreement. Go ahead and critique every line and word that I wrote, I'll be the first to agree that it's probably wrought with problems, but I'm not going to rewrite it, nor am I going to take draft's of future documents to the english department of the nearest college for correction before posting. By the way, I can tell the difference between a Murchison and NWA 2086, and would you beleive I can do so without the use of analysis. Similarly, there just so happens to be the existence of some stones which can be determined to be type 3 without the use of analysis, so you mean to tell me that you'd have troub le being able to tell if a stone such as Begga was a type 3 or not without the use of analysis? So how do you like them apples? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
