Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy

[Michael Blood via Meteorite-list]

side the
>>> walls surrounding Byzantium.  It will likely get their much faster
>>> too, so it
>>> can benefit them.
>>> 
>>> While this may not make sense to many people who take for granted less
>>> problematical postal services, or don't care about the little saintly
>>> collector, speaking from personal experience and cravings,
>>> sometimes there are
>>> specimens that are "must have" and being told "NO!  I don't ship to
>>> X" can be
>>> a huge depressant.
>>> 
>>> If the collector is conscientious about their situation, they can
>>> just adjust
>>> their purchases accordingly and save up for the moments that are truly
>>> special, and better yet, get a helping hand from other sympathetic European
>>> collectors.  I responded to this thread because too often I had the
>>> "We don't
>>> ship to X", door slammed in my face.  It never happened with meteorites but
>>> was a problem with larger companies.  You did a nice thing, btw, and I don't
>>> think you will end up burnt in the end since the collector had a
>>> misunderstanding and I am sure he will want to correct it in a positive
>>> manner.
>>> 
>>> As for Italy, firm cash up front, insurance (U-pic or InsurePost), and check
>>> registered FC mail rules on commercial sales to see what's permitted and
>>> what's not ...
>>> 
>>> Kindest wishes
>>> Doug
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Michael Blood <mlbl...@cox.net>
>>> To: MexicoDoug <mexicod...@aol.com>; Meteorite List
>>> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Sent: Sun, Jul 24, 2016 2:31 am
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy
>>> 
>>> Hi Doug,
>>> Thanks for the kind words. However, I have saved all
>>> The emails and believe me, there was absolutely no confusion
>>> Re shipping - -clarified clearly (twice) that if Fed EX were
>>> less than $50 I would refund him the difference and if it
>>> were more than $50 he would have to agree to paypal me
>>> the difference.
>>> He stated I should  not have put the "real value" on the shipment -
>>> AFTER I had sent it - When Fed Ex turned out to be more, then
>>> He complained he would have to pay the import fee and wouldn't
>>> Pay any more for the shipping.
>>> Kind and gentle is always best and I tried that for several
>>> Posts to no avail whatever.
>>> No, this is a clear cut case of being ripped off. I suspect it is
>>> Our old "friend" as his approach is nearly identical and his English
>>> Is similarly distorted. But whether it is or not the results are identical.
>>> I, too, like to think people are basically honest and live up to
>>> Their commitments and I do deal with people that way and the vast
>>> Majority of people in the meteorite community are that way.
>>> Also, I do not believe for a second this is "typical of Italians" -
>>> only two - and possibly only one - have/has acted this way. Every
>>> Country has both the saintly and the cur.
>>> Good to hear from you, Doug,
>>> Michael
>>> 
>>> On 7/23/16 10:32 PM, "MexicoDoug" <mexicod...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Michael,
>>>> 
>>>> How discouraging, as if doing what you love wasn't already a labor of love.
>>>> Your customer appears to be a dedicated collector, exhibitor, lecturer, and
>>>> dealer (involved with meteorites and as using them as raw materials for
>>>> selling trinkets and watch dials, including to school children).  You could
>>>> double-check if it is not a miscommunication from your message exchange
>>>> defining who was supposed to pay for what.  The immediate problem was not
>>>> Italy, as much as the expensive, secure shipping cost which you understood
>>>> was
>>>> to be paid by him as it sounds like he received the meteorite and
>>>> you have a
>>>> tracking receipt.
>>>> 
>>>> Or, next time you are in Rimini, stop by this hair salon and go collect if
>>>> the
>>>> friendly approach doesn't pan out.  Maybe settle for a seafood
>>>> risotto.  I'd
>>>> make an appointment first and bring a bottle of wine @ (+39)3485447938.  He

Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy

[dean bessey via Meteorite-list]

Well Joachim yes one would normally use common sense and agree with you.
When I stopped sending to Italy 7 or 8 or so years ago I kept track and had 7 
of the previous 10 packages to Italy lost in the mail and had to deal with a 
paypal chargeback (And some negative feedbacks on ebay). I figured that 7 of 
ten cancelled out the benefit of lost sales so I stopped shipping to Italy.
I never sent another package to Italy until about two years ago when this 
Davide Urbinati person emailed me wondering why I don't send to Italy and that 
it as safe to send him stuff. I agreed to the sale and sent him the $300 worth 
of Bensour via Registered mail with a tracking number.
At the same time I thought "This is silly - blocking all those potential 
Italian customers from bidding because of a few losses in the mail 5 or 10 
years ago. So I unblocked all of Italy and let Italians buy from me again. Over 
the next several months (Plus Davide Urbinati's theft of my Bensour) three of 
the four packages that I sent to Italy resulted in a paypal chargeback. And not 
one of them sent me an email before filing the chargeback with paypal. Like 
shopping mall owners having to deal with shoplifting you generally just write 
it off as paypal always refunds the money so I again just blocked Italy from my 
auctions.
Normally I get maybe 3 or 4 chargebacks a year and I sell thousands of items a 
year on ebay. So even now I no longer accept bids from people in Italy. 
This theft of the $300 worth of Bensour is memorable and a bit of a sore point 
with me because its the largest ever loss through a paypal chargeback that I 
have ever had and it was after I made a decision to never send stuff to Italy 
again. I almost blame Davide Urbinati for the following three losses from ebay 
sales not related to him for the following 3 ebay chargebacks to other Italy 
bidders.

So yes your comment that "Italy has more than 60 Million  people. Most are 
honest and kind." should be correct (I really loved Italy the couple times that 
I have been there and so want to go back) but there is a statistically 
significant issue with sending mail to Italy. You will find that its not just 
me but many ebay sellers wont send stuff to Italy so I am not the only ebay 
seller with an unusual amount of problems with mail to Italy. The only thing 
that I can figure is that there must be a bunch of mafia gangs preying on mail 
sellers as I have a very hard time believing that the Italian post office is 
that bad and loses such a huge amount of mail. I don't know why so many mailed 
packages to Italy results in losses but for some reason they do.

But for now I don't generally send mail to Italy.

Sincerely
dean



On Tue, 26/7/16, joachim via Meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Received: Tuesday, 26 July, 2016, 8:05 PM
 
 Hello,
 
 Italy has more than 60 Million
 people. Most are honest and kind. Maybe  
 you have problems getting money via a lawywer
 and a court but it is  
 the same when I
 sell something to the US ( or Japan or to the moon )
 To say not to sell something to italy is if I
 would say all New  
 Yorkers or Inhabitants
 of california are gangsters. Just check every  
 person, mail or phone but please do not
 generalize in such a way.
 
 Greetings from Germany ( where are also nice
 people, thick ones, thin  
 ones, idiots,
 intelligent people and all other kind of humang beings. )
 
 
 Joachim
 Zitat von Michael Blood via Meteorite-list 
 
 <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>:
 
 > Hi Doug,
 >         I am glad to hear
 your dealings with this individual have been
 > Positive. I cannot say the same. However,
 after denying he refused
 > To pay the
 shipment (this sounds like a refusal to me:
 >
 > " So I must pay
 110$ for shipment... More other 150 or more for Italian
 > custom with fedex..
 >
 No is impossible pay so much for Henbury.
 > Sorry
 > Davide"
 )
 >
 >     
    he finally did send me almost all the
 remainder of the shipping
 > cost.
 >         I still will never
 sell anything to anyone in Italy again due to all
 > the reports on their postal system and on
 individuals, including this
 > One (see
 Bessey post).
 >     
    Again, happy your dealings have been more
 positive.
 >     
    Michael
 >
 > On 7/24/16 4:28 PM, "MexicoDoug"
 <mexicod...@aol.com>
 wrote:
 >
 >> Thanks
 Captain B,
 >>
 >>
 As we say, "A bad negotiation is better than a good
 fight."
 >>
 >> 99% your customer is not the one you
 thought.  That suspicion is  
 >>
 hurting you.
 >> You can Google the
 customer and find out one by his name has done a  
 >> couple of
 >>
 exhibitions for Emilia-Romagna, lectures

Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy

[joachim via Meteorite-list]

Hello,

Italy has more than 60 Million people. Most are honest and kind. Maybe  
you have problems getting money via a lawywer and a court but it is  
the same when I sell something to the US ( or Japan or to the moon )
To say not to sell something to italy is if I would say all New  
Yorkers or Inhabitants of california are gangsters. Just check every  
person, mail or phone but please do not generalize in such a way.


Greetings from Germany ( where are also nice people, thick ones, thin  
ones, idiots, intelligent people and all other kind of humang beings. )



Joachim
Zitat von Michael Blood via Meteorite-list  
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>:



Hi Doug,
I am glad to hear your dealings with this individual have been
Positive. I cannot say the same. However, after denying he refused
To pay the shipment (this sounds like a refusal to me:

" So I must pay 110$ for shipment... More other 150 or more for Italian
custom with fedex..
No is impossible pay so much for Henbury.
Sorry
Davide" )

he finally did send me almost all the remainder of the shipping
cost.
I still will never sell anything to anyone in Italy again due to all
the reports on their postal system and on individuals, including this
One (see Bessey post).
Again, happy your dealings have been more positive.
Michael

On 7/24/16 4:28 PM, "MexicoDoug" <mexicod...@aol.com> wrote:


Thanks Captain B,

As we say, "A bad negotiation is better than a good fight."

99% your customer is not the one you thought.  That suspicion is  
hurting you.
You can Google the customer and find out one by his name has done a  
couple of

exhibitions for Emilia-Romagna, lectures and belongs to a local astronomical
society, gives advice on meteorites even including one case where  
there was a

shipping question in which his reply was to work with the Seller to resolve
it.  Try one more time, maybe a show of goodwill above and beyond what is
required offer to split the $60, and do it face to face by calling  
dado_sanna

on Skype ...

Next time just collect shipping costs up front ... rather than exposing
yourself.  I feel for your customer's situation, having been in a  
similar one

for many years because of the unfortunate state of the local postal service
and the rampant corruption and pilfering throughout the system.  I hope you
will reconsider supporting our enthusiastic Italian (Brasilian, Russian and
Mexican) friends so as to do a part in giving them access to reputable
meteorite sellers.

Although your customer's expectations were misplaced, it is still a case of
misunderstanding that could have been prevented - even if that  
meant two trips

to FedEx if it was too difficult to calculate the shipping cost yourself.

In the case of Italy, ask if they can cough up a shipping address to a
different EU nation to initially receive the shipment and from  
where they can

be responsible to reship to the Italian address.  The situation is far less
problematic if the parcel arriving in Italy originates in the current
Eurozone, vs. the US and Canada which at this moment happen to be  
outside the
walls surrounding Byzantium.  It will likely get their much faster  
too, so it

can benefit them.

While this may not make sense to many people who take for granted less
problematical postal services, or don't care about the little saintly
collector, speaking from personal experience and cravings,  
sometimes there are
specimens that are "must have" and being told "NO!  I don't ship to  
X" can be

a huge depressant.

If the collector is conscientious about their situation, they can  
just adjust

their purchases accordingly and save up for the moments that are truly
special, and better yet, get a helping hand from other sympathetic European
collectors.  I responded to this thread because too often I had the  
"We don't

ship to X", door slammed in my face.  It never happened with meteorites but
was a problem with larger companies.  You did a nice thing, btw, and I don't
think you will end up burnt in the end since the collector had a
misunderstanding and I am sure he will want to correct it in a positive
manner.

As for Italy, firm cash up front, insurance (U-pic or InsurePost), and check
registered FC mail rules on commercial sales to see what's permitted and
what's not ...

Kindest wishes
Doug




-Original Message-
From: Michael Blood <mlbl...@cox.net>
To: MexicoDoug <mexicod...@aol.com>; Meteorite List
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sun, Jul 24, 2016 2:31 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy

Hi Doug,
Thanks for the kind words. However, I have saved all
The emails and believe me, there was absolutely no confusion
Re shipping - -clarified clearly (twice) that if Fed EX were
less than $50 I would refund him the difference and if it
were more than $50 he would have to a

Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy

[MexicoDoug via Meteorite-list]

Hi Michael,

Sorry you were aggravated by the situation, and understandably since it really 
is a labor of love you like it is for most dealers.  I'm glad the collector 
squared up despite the misunderstanding, out of the goodness of his heart, as I 
assumed he would. :-)

I tried to understand what he wrote, but I couldn't be sure.  It appears the 
final deal was a ~$350 Henbury (402 g) 
http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Henbury402_6gA.jpg
to which Italian customs added $110 dlls plus the ~$40 (of $50 intended).  No 
matter any more except to understand the details ... now it's yesterday's news 
and life goes on only nominally pausing.  My respect to both of you guys for 
having persistence and patience!  The iron depicted in the link is a quite 
attractive one if it is the one in question, and worth it in the collection 
liquidation, in my opinion ... I love Henburys.  Paul posted a nice one on June 
30's MPOD too ...

Kindest wishes
Doug


-Original Message-
From: Michael Blood <mlbl...@cox.net>
To: MexicoDoug <mexicod...@aol.com>; Meteorite List 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Mon, Jul 25, 2016 9:04 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy

Hi Doug,
I am glad to hear your dealings with this individual have been
Positive. I cannot say the same. However, after denying he refused
To pay the shipment (this sounds like a refusal to me:

" So I must pay 110$ for shipment... More other 150 or more for Italian
custom with fedex..
No is impossible pay so much for Henbury.
Sorry
Davide" )

he finally did send me almost all the remainder of the shipping
cost. 
I still will never sell anything to anyone in Italy again due to all
the reports on their postal system and on individuals, including this
One (see Bessey post).
   Again, happy your dealings have been more positive.
Michael 

On 7/24/16 4:28 PM, "MexicoDoug" <mexicod...@aol.com> wrote:

> Thanks Captain B,
> 
> As we say, "A bad negotiation is better than a good fight."
> 
> 99% your customer is not the one you thought.  That suspicion is hurting you.
> You can Google the customer and find out one by his name has done a couple of
> exhibitions for Emilia-Romagna, lectures and belongs to a local astronomical
> society, gives advice on meteorites even including one case where there was a
> shipping question in which his reply was to work with the Seller to resolve
> it.  Try one more time, maybe a show of goodwill above and beyond what is
> required offer to split the $60, and do it face to face by calling dado_sanna
> on Skype ...   
> 
> Next time just collect shipping costs up front ... rather than exposing
> yourself.  I feel for your customer's situation, having been in a similar one
> for many years because of the unfortunate state of the local postal service
> and the rampant corruption and pilfering throughout the system.  I hope you
> will reconsider supporting our enthusiastic Italian (Brasilian, Russian and
> Mexican) friends so as to do a part in giving them access to reputable
> meteorite sellers.
> 
> Although your customer's expectations were misplaced, it is still a case of
> misunderstanding that could have been prevented - even if that meant two trips
> to FedEx if it was too difficult to calculate the shipping cost yourself.
> 
> In the case of Italy, ask if they can cough up a shipping address to a
> different EU nation to initially receive the shipment and from where they can
> be responsible to reship to the Italian address.  The situation is far less
> problematic if the parcel arriving in Italy originates in the current
> Eurozone, vs. the US and Canada which at this moment happen to be outside the
> walls surrounding Byzantium.  It will likely get their much faster too, so it
> can benefit them.
> 
> While this may not make sense to many people who take for granted less
> problematical postal services, or don't care about the little saintly
> collector, speaking from personal experience and cravings, sometimes there are
> specimens that are "must have" and being told "NO!  I don't ship to X" can be
> a huge depressant.
> 
> If the collector is conscientious about their situation, they can just adjust
> their purchases accordingly and save up for the moments that are truly
> special, and better yet, get a helping hand from other sympathetic European
> collectors.  I responded to this thread because too often I had the "We don't
> ship to X", door slammed in my face.  It never happened with meteorites but
> was a problem with larger companies.  You did a nice thing, btw, and I don't
> think you will end up burnt in the end since the collector had a
> misunderstanding and I am sure he will want to correct it

Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy

[Michael Blood via Meteorite-list]

Hi Doug,
I am glad to hear your dealings with this individual have been
Positive. I cannot say the same. However, after denying he refused
To pay the shipment (this sounds like a refusal to me:

" So I must pay 110$ for shipment... More other 150 or more for Italian
custom with fedex..
No is impossible pay so much for Henbury.
Sorry
Davide" )

he finally did send me almost all the remainder of the shipping
cost. 
I still will never sell anything to anyone in Italy again due to all
the reports on their postal system and on individuals, including this
One (see Bessey post).
Again, happy your dealings have been more positive.
Michael 

On 7/24/16 4:28 PM, "MexicoDoug" <mexicod...@aol.com> wrote:

> Thanks Captain B,
> 
> As we say, "A bad negotiation is better than a good fight."
> 
> 99% your customer is not the one you thought.  That suspicion is hurting you.
> You can Google the customer and find out one by his name has done a couple of
> exhibitions for Emilia-Romagna, lectures and belongs to a local astronomical
> society, gives advice on meteorites even including one case where there was a
> shipping question in which his reply was to work with the Seller to resolve
> it.  Try one more time, maybe a show of goodwill above and beyond what is
> required offer to split the $60, and do it face to face by calling dado_sanna
> on Skype ...   
> 
> Next time just collect shipping costs up front ... rather than exposing
> yourself.  I feel for your customer's situation, having been in a similar one
> for many years because of the unfortunate state of the local postal service
> and the rampant corruption and pilfering throughout the system.  I hope you
> will reconsider supporting our enthusiastic Italian (Brasilian, Russian and
> Mexican) friends so as to do a part in giving them access to reputable
> meteorite sellers.
> 
> Although your customer's expectations were misplaced, it is still a case of
> misunderstanding that could have been prevented - even if that meant two trips
> to FedEx if it was too difficult to calculate the shipping cost yourself.
> 
> In the case of Italy, ask if they can cough up a shipping address to a
> different EU nation to initially receive the shipment and from where they can
> be responsible to reship to the Italian address.  The situation is far less
> problematic if the parcel arriving in Italy originates in the current
> Eurozone, vs. the US and Canada which at this moment happen to be outside the
> walls surrounding Byzantium.  It will likely get their much faster too, so it
> can benefit them.
> 
> While this may not make sense to many people who take for granted less
> problematical postal services, or don't care about the little saintly
> collector, speaking from personal experience and cravings, sometimes there are
> specimens that are "must have" and being told "NO!  I don't ship to X" can be
> a huge depressant.
> 
> If the collector is conscientious about their situation, they can just adjust
> their purchases accordingly and save up for the moments that are truly
> special, and better yet, get a helping hand from other sympathetic European
> collectors.  I responded to this thread because too often I had the "We don't
> ship to X", door slammed in my face.  It never happened with meteorites but
> was a problem with larger companies.  You did a nice thing, btw, and I don't
> think you will end up burnt in the end since the collector had a
> misunderstanding and I am sure he will want to correct it in a positive
> manner.
> 
> As for Italy, firm cash up front, insurance (U-pic or InsurePost), and check
> registered FC mail rules on commercial sales to see what's permitted and
> what's not ...
> 
> Kindest wishes
> Doug
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Blood <mlbl...@cox.net>
> To: MexicoDoug <mexicod...@aol.com>; Meteorite List
> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Sun, Jul 24, 2016 2:31 am
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy
> 
> Hi Doug,
> Thanks for the kind words. However, I have saved all
> The emails and believe me, there was absolutely no confusion
> Re shipping - -clarified clearly (twice) that if Fed EX were
> less than $50 I would refund him the difference and if it
> were more than $50 he would have to agree to paypal me
> the difference.
> He stated I should  not have put the "real value" on the shipment -
> AFTER I had sent it - When Fed Ex turned out to be more, then
> He complained he would have to pay the import fee and wouldn't
> Pay any more for the shipping.
> Kind and gentle is always best and I tr

Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy

[dean bessey via Meteorite-list]

I can confirm to everybody that this person  Davide Urbinati
"Davide  Urbinati" <urbinati.dav...@gmail.com" 
is a crook and should be avoided at all costs.

He got me to. I sent him a package with tracking number and 6 days later he did 
a paypal non receipt request to cancel the transaction (Obviously knowing full 
well that 6 days is not enough time for mail to arrive in Italy from Australia 
- or at least should have known that). He tried to say that I was scamming him 
because it took a few days for the tracking number to show up online because of 
the way that I sent the package and he never even emailed me before filing the 
paypal dispute after 6 days.
Even though they had the tracking number and it was obvious that not enough 
time had passed for the package to arrive paypal still found in his favour and 
gave him the refund allowing him to steal my money.

This was even after I blocked all people in Italy from bidding in my ebay 
auctions and let him be an exception in an off ebay sale. Big mistake on my 
part.

As somebody who has made more than 50,000 ebay sales I highly recommend 
blocking everybody from Italy from bidding. This scumbag is just one of the 
reasons you should block everybody from Italy. Its probably not just all of the 
scumbags. Apparantly the Italian postal service is the pits to and there is a 
lot of internet crime preying on ebay sellers. 

Be warned and be smart and avoid Italy 

But of course no matter what the circumstances if somebody files a case after 6 
days without even having the courtesy to send an email first you know that its 
not a lost in the mail scenario so this individual in particular should be 
avoided (Even if he moved countries)

Sincerely
Dean


 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy
 To: "Michael Blood" <mlbl...@cox.net>
 Cc: "MeteorList" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
 Received: Monday, 25 July, 2016, 12:18 PM
 
 Aloha Capt’n, all,
 
 I just want to say that I know
 Davide Urbinati to be an honest, upstanding and respectful
 member of our meteorite community. I have had numerous
 transactions with him in the past, even after having
 discontinued service to Italy on eBay. 
 
 I am sorry to hear of your experience Michael,
 but am hoping this can be worked out amicably and with
 mutual satisfaction. 
 
 gary
 
 > On
 Jul 23, 2016, at 3:36 PM, Michael Blood via Meteorite-list
 <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
 wrote:
 > 
 > Hi all,
 > 
 >        You all
 may recall that several years ago multiple
 > Dealers warned against sales to Italy. It
 seams at
 > Least one buyer was claiming
 not to have received
 > Shipments that
 were verified, not to have received
 >
 Money that was sent him, etc.
 > 
 >        Unfortunately, I failed to head
 warnings about
 > Shipping to Italy. A
 different Italian contacted me (Or
 > At
 least one using a different name and email) and
 > I explained even Registered Mail seems to
 fail to
 > guarantee delivery in Italy but
 I somehow allowed
 > him to talk me into a
 Fed Ex shipment of a specimen.
 > I
 agreed, providing he send $50 shipping and agree
 > to pay any additional amount Fed Ex might
 charge.
 > 
 >     
   Perhaps it is the same fellow from several years ago
 > Using a different name (he was so good at
 that Art could
 > Not keep him off the
 list because he would just join again
 >
 Using a different name and email). So, beware of:
 > 
 > "Davide
 Urbinati" <urbinati.dav...@gmail.com>
 > 
 > 
 >        Even though I scanned the
 receipt and sent it to him
 > He refused
 to pay the $59.79 Fed Ex charged me. So, I am
 > Out that $.
 > 
 >        Believe me, I will never ship
 to Italy again.
 > 
 > 
       Better luck to all of you,
 > 
       Michael Blood
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy

[Gary Fujihara via Meteorite-list]

Aloha Capt’n, all,

I just want to say that I know Davide Urbinati to be an honest, upstanding and 
respectful member of our meteorite community. I have had numerous transactions 
with him in the past, even after having discontinued service to Italy on eBay. 

I am sorry to hear of your experience Michael, but am hoping this can be worked 
out amicably and with mutual satisfaction. 

gary

> On Jul 23, 2016, at 3:36 PM, Michael Blood via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
>You all may recall that several years ago multiple
> Dealers warned against sales to Italy. It seams at
> Least one buyer was claiming not to have received
> Shipments that were verified, not to have received
> Money that was sent him, etc.
> 
>Unfortunately, I failed to head warnings about
> Shipping to Italy. A different Italian contacted me (Or
> At least one using a different name and email) and
> I explained even Registered Mail seems to fail to
> guarantee delivery in Italy but I somehow allowed
> him to talk me into a Fed Ex shipment of a specimen.
> I agreed, providing he send $50 shipping and agree
> to pay any additional amount Fed Ex might charge.
> 
>Perhaps it is the same fellow from several years ago
> Using a different name (he was so good at that Art could
> Not keep him off the list because he would just join again
> Using a different name and email). So, beware of:
> 
> "Davide Urbinati" 
> 
> 
>Even though I scanned the receipt and sent it to him
> He refused to pay the $59.79 Fed Ex charged me. So, I am
> Out that $.
> 
>Believe me, I will never ship to Italy again.
> 
>Better luck to all of you,
>Michael Blood
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy

[MexicoDoug via Meteorite-list]

Thanks Captain B,

As we say, "A bad negotiation is better than a good fight."  

99% your customer is not the one you thought.  That suspicion is hurting you.  
You can Google the customer and find out one by his name has done a couple of 
exhibitions for Emilia-Romagna, lectures and belongs to a local astronomical 
society, gives advice on meteorites even including one case where there was a 
shipping question in which his reply was to work with the Seller to resolve it. 
 Try one more time, maybe a show of goodwill above and beyond what is required 
offer to split the $60, and do it face to face by calling dado_sanna on Skype 
...   

Next time just collect shipping costs up front ... rather than exposing 
yourself.  I feel for your customer's situation, having been in a similar one 
for many years because of the unfortunate state of the local postal service and 
the rampant corruption and pilfering throughout the system.  I hope you will 
reconsider supporting our enthusiastic Italian (Brasilian, Russian and Mexican) 
friends so as to do a part in giving them access to reputable meteorite sellers.

Although your customer's expectations were misplaced, it is still a case of 
misunderstanding that could have been prevented - even if that meant two trips 
to FedEx if it was too difficult to calculate the shipping cost yourself.

In the case of Italy, ask if they can cough up a shipping address to a 
different EU nation to initially receive the shipment and from where they can 
be responsible to reship to the Italian address.  The situation is far less 
problematic if the parcel arriving in Italy originates in the current Eurozone, 
vs. the US and Canada which at this moment happen to be outside the walls 
surrounding Byzantium.  It will likely get their much faster too, so it can 
benefit them.

While this may not make sense to many people who take for granted less 
problematical postal services, or don't care about the little saintly 
collector, speaking from personal experience and cravings, sometimes there are 
specimens that are "must have" and being told "NO!  I don't ship to X" can be a 
huge depressant.  

If the collector is conscientious about their situation, they can just adjust 
their purchases accordingly and save up for the moments that are truly special, 
and better yet, get a helping hand from other sympathetic European collectors.  
I responded to this thread because too often I had the "We don't ship to X", 
door slammed in my face.  It never happened with meteorites but was a problem 
with larger companies.  You did a nice thing, btw, and I don't think you will 
end up burnt in the end since the collector had a misunderstanding and I am 
sure he will want to correct it in a positive manner.

As for Italy, firm cash up front, insurance (U-pic or InsurePost), and check 
registered FC mail rules on commercial sales to see what's permitted and what's 
not ...

Kindest wishes
Doug




-Original Message-
From: Michael Blood <mlbl...@cox.net>
To: MexicoDoug <mexicod...@aol.com>; Meteorite List 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sun, Jul 24, 2016 2:31 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy

Hi Doug,
Thanks for the kind words. However, I have saved all
The emails and believe me, there was absolutely no confusion
Re shipping - -clarified clearly (twice) that if Fed EX were
less than $50 I would refund him the difference and if it
were more than $50 he would have to agree to paypal me
the difference.
He stated I should  not have put the "real value" on the shipment -
AFTER I had sent it - When Fed Ex turned out to be more, then
He complained he would have to pay the import fee and wouldn't
Pay any more for the shipping.
Kind and gentle is always best and I tried that for several
Posts to no avail whatever.
No, this is a clear cut case of being ripped off. I suspect it is
Our old "friend" as his approach is nearly identical and his English
Is similarly distorted. But whether it is or not the results are identical.
I, too, like to think people are basically honest and live up to
Their commitments and I do deal with people that way and the vast
Majority of people in the meteorite community are that way.
Also, I do not believe for a second this is "typical of Italians" -
only two - and possibly only one - have/has acted this way. Every
Country has both the saintly and the cur.
Good to hear from you, Doug,
Michael

On 7/23/16 10:32 PM, "MexicoDoug" <mexicod...@aol.com> wrote:

> Michael,
> 
> How discouraging, as if doing what you love wasn't already a labor of love.
> Your customer appears to be a dedicated collector, exhibitor, lecturer, and
> dealer (involved with meteorites and as using them as raw materials for
> selling trinkets and watch dials, including to school c

Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy

[Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list]

You are absolutely correct.  Many countries actually monitor the declared 
values and keep a vendor list of those they suspect of cheating.  I had a 
specimen sent to Switzerland and customs actually took the specimen out, 
weighed it and appraised it much higher than it sold for on eBay!  I do not 
blame the customer for refusing this package since there was a huge 
difference between what it actually sold for and what customs thought it was 
worth.  Not only that, if you claim a low value and there is a discrepancy 
between the declared value and the insurance amount, guess what, you just 
made the list.


It is not worth fudging the numbers on these forms since you could very well 
lose your ability to ship anything overseas or worse, lose what little 
freedom you have left.



- Original Message - 
From: "Daniel Noyes via Meteorite-list" 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>

To: <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy



Hello All,

From time to time I get an ebay buyer who asks/suggests that I put a low
number on the customs value declaration. I always respond that in the
USA it is unlawful and punishable by fine or imprisonment to falsify the
customs forms, and if that is a problem they can request a cancellation
of the sale. I even had one ebay buyer, after receipt of the package,
try to give me negative feedback because the import tax was too high,
and why did I not use a low value on the customs form like "all the
other sellers". As much as I may sympathize with their angst over the
import duty, it is not going to happen. I contacted ebay and directed
them to her messages, and they promptly removed the negative feedback.
Part of the problem are the sellers who enable this behavior. Word to
the wise, it is not worth the risk...don't do it.

Best regards,
Daniel

Daniel Noyes
Genuine Moon & Mars Meteorite Rocks
i...@moonmarsrocks.com
www.moonmarsrocks.com




 Original Message 
Message: 4
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 07:58:21 -0700
From: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>
To: <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy
Message-ID: <5FB62A72B0964F6CA7680F7AB4F7A24E@HPDESKTOP>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

I have had some overseas buyers ask me to lower the value on the customs

declaration form. Some even threatened not to accept the package if I
reported the correct amount. I always tell them that I pay more than my
fair share of U.S. taxes so why should I assist them on cheating on
theirs
which is against the law. Some of these overseas buyers tell me that
other
U.S. vendors do it all of the time for them. U.S. taxes are among the
highest in the world, especially when dealing in collectables which have
no
long-term capital gain advantage and are in the top tax bracket.

Now, I put this clause in my descriptions:

Import duties, taxes, and charges are not included in the item price or
shipping cost. These charges are the buyer's responsibility. Please
check
with your country's customs office to determine what these additional
costs
will be prior to bidding or buying.

I hope this helps,


- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Blood via Meteorite-list"

<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
To: "MexicoDoug" <mexicod...@aol.com>; "Meteorite List"
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy



Hi Doug,
Thanks for the kind words. However, I have saved all
The emails and believe me, there was absolutely no confusion
Re shipping - -clarified clearly (twice) that if Fed EX were
less than $50 I would refund him the difference and if it
were more than $50 he would have to agree to paypal me
the difference.
He stated I should not have put the "real value" on the shipment -
AFTER I had sent it - When Fed Ex turned out to be more, then
He complained he would have to pay the import fee and wouldn't
Pay any more for the shipping.
Kind and gentle is always best and I tried that for several
Posts to no avail whatever.
No, this is a clear cut case of being ripped off. I suspect it is
Our old "friend" as his approach is nearly identical and his English
Is similarly distorted. But whether it is or not the results are
identical.
I, too, like to think people are basically honest and live up to
Their commitments and I do deal with people that way and the vast
Majority of people in the meteorite community are that way.
Also, I do not believe for a second this is "typical of Italians" -
only two - and possibly only one - have/has acted this way. Every
Country has both the saintly and the cur.
Good to hear from you, Doug,
Micha

Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy

[Daniel Noyes via Meteorite-list]

Hello All,

>From time to time I get an ebay buyer who asks/suggests that I put a low
number on the customs value declaration. I always respond that in the
USA it is unlawful and punishable by fine or imprisonment to falsify the
customs forms, and if that is a problem they can request a cancellation
of the sale. I even had one ebay buyer, after receipt of the package,
try to give me negative feedback because the import tax was too high,
and why did I not use a low value on the customs form like "all the
other sellers". As much as I may sympathize with their angst over the
import duty, it is not going to happen. I contacted ebay and directed
them to her messages, and they promptly removed the negative feedback.
Part of the problem are the sellers who enable this behavior. Word to
the wise, it is not worth the risk...don't do it.

Best regards,
Daniel

Daniel Noyes
Genuine Moon & Mars Meteorite Rocks
i...@moonmarsrocks.com
www.moonmarsrocks.com




 Original Message 
Message: 4
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 07:58:21 -0700
From: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>
To: <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy
Message-ID: <5FB62A72B0964F6CA7680F7AB4F7A24E@HPDESKTOP>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
 reply-type=original

I have had some overseas buyers ask me to lower the value on the customs

declaration form. Some even threatened not to accept the package if I 
reported the correct amount. I always tell them that I pay more than my 
fair share of U.S. taxes so why should I assist them on cheating on
theirs 
which is against the law. Some of these overseas buyers tell me that
other 
U.S. vendors do it all of the time for them. U.S. taxes are among the 
highest in the world, especially when dealing in collectables which have
no 
long-term capital gain advantage and are in the top tax bracket.

Now, I put this clause in my descriptions:

Import duties, taxes, and charges are not included in the item price or 
shipping cost. These charges are the buyer's responsibility. Please
check 
with your country's customs office to determine what these additional
costs 
will be prior to bidding or buying.

I hope this helps,


- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Blood via Meteorite-list" 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
To: "MexicoDoug" <mexicod...@aol.com>; "Meteorite List" 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy


> Hi Doug,
> Thanks for the kind words. However, I have saved all
> The emails and believe me, there was absolutely no confusion
> Re shipping - -clarified clearly (twice) that if Fed EX were
> less than $50 I would refund him the difference and if it
> were more than $50 he would have to agree to paypal me
> the difference.
> He stated I should not have put the "real value" on the shipment -
> AFTER I had sent it - When Fed Ex turned out to be more, then
> He complained he would have to pay the import fee and wouldn't
> Pay any more for the shipping.
> Kind and gentle is always best and I tried that for several
> Posts to no avail whatever.
> No, this is a clear cut case of being ripped off. I suspect it is
> Our old "friend" as his approach is nearly identical and his English
> Is similarly distorted. But whether it is or not the results are 
> identical.
> I, too, like to think people are basically honest and live up to
> Their commitments and I do deal with people that way and the vast
> Majority of people in the meteorite community are that way.
> Also, I do not believe for a second this is "typical of Italians" -
> only two - and possibly only one - have/has acted this way. Every
> Country has both the saintly and the cur.
> Good to hear from you, Doug,
> Michael
>
> On 7/23/16 10:32 PM, "MexicoDoug" <mexicod...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Michael,
>>
>> How discouraging, as if doing what you love wasn't already a labor of 
>> love.
>> Your customer appears to be a dedicated collector, exhibitor, lecturer, 
>> and
>> dealer (involved with meteorites and as using them as raw materials for
>> selling trinkets and watch dials, including to school children). You 
>> could
>> double-check if it is not a miscommunication from your message exchange
>> defining who was supposed to pay for what. The immediate problem was not
>> Italy, as much as the expensive, secure shipping cost which you 
>> understood was
>> to be paid by him as it sounds like he received the meteorite and you 
>> have a
>> tracking receipt.
>>
>> Or, next time you are in Rimini, stop by

Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy

[Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list]

Maybe if you average in over half the U.S. population that doesn't pay taxes 
and others who collect entitlements instead would you come up with the 27th 
highest ranking.  Many do not count Obamacare as a tax but the supreme court 
ruled that it is indeed a tax putting the U.S. well over the top.  Many pay 
more for Obamacare than they do their mortgages.


Ina case, taxes are way too high for most of the Americans who actually pay 
them.





.
- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Farmer" <m...@meteoriteguy.com>
To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>; "Meteorite Mailing 
List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>

Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy


We are the 27th highest. That doesn't take into account deductions, which 
actually bring our rates far lower. Most companies pay little or no income 
taxes in the end.


Michael Farmer

On Jul 24, 2016, at 9:03 AM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:


When you add in FICA, Self-employment tax, Medicaid, Inventory, ObamaCare,
Sales and other taxes, they are the highest in the world.


- Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" 
<m...@meteoriteguy.com>
To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>; "Meteorite Mailing 
List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>

Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy


American taxes are nowhere near the highest in the world..
Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 24, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:


I have had some overseas buyers ask me to lower the value on the customs 
declaration form.  Some even threatened not to accept the package if I 
reported the correct amount.  I always tell them that I pay more than my 
fair share of U.S. taxes so why should I assist them on cheating on 
theirs which is against the law.  Some of these overseas buyers tell me 
that other U.S. vendors do it all of the time for them. U.S. taxes are 
among the highest in the world, especially when dealing in collectables 
which have no long-term capital gain advantage and are in the top tax 
bracket.


Now, I put this clause in my descriptions:

Import duties, taxes, and charges are not included in the item price or 
shipping cost. These charges are the buyer's responsibility.  Please 
check with your country's customs office to determine what these 
additional costs will be prior to bidding or buying.


I hope this helps,


- Original Message - From: "Michael Blood via Meteorite-list" 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
To: "MexicoDoug" <mexicod...@aol.com>; "Meteorite List" 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>

Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy



Hi Doug,
 Thanks for the kind words. However, I have saved all
The emails and believe me, there was absolutely no confusion
Re shipping - -clarified clearly (twice) that if Fed EX were
less than $50 I would refund him the difference and if it
were more than $50 he would have to agree to paypal me
the difference.
 He stated I should  not have put the "real value" on the shipment -
AFTER I had sent it - When Fed Ex turned out to be more, then
He complained he would have to pay the import fee and wouldn't
Pay any more for the shipping.
 Kind and gentle is always best and I tried that for several
Posts to no avail whatever.
 No, this is a clear cut case of being ripped off. I suspect it is
Our old "friend" as his approach is nearly identical and his English
Is similarly distorted. But whether it is or not the results are 
identical.

 I, too, like to think people are basically honest and live up to
Their commitments and I do deal with people that way and the vast
Majority of people in the meteorite community are that way.
 Also, I do not believe for a second this is "typical of Italians" -
only two - and possibly only one - have/has acted this way. Every
Country has both the saintly and the cur.
 Good to hear from you, Doug,
 Michael


On 7/23/16 10:32 PM, "MexicoDoug" <mexicod...@aol.com> wrote:

Michael,

How discouraging, as if doing what you love wasn't already a labor of 
love.
Your customer appears to be a dedicated collector, exhibitor, lecturer, 
and

dealer (involved with meteorites and as using them as raw materials for
selling trinkets and watch dials, including to school children).  You 
could

double-check if it is not a miscommunication from your message exchange
defining who was supposed to pay for what.  The immediate problem was 
not
Italy, as much as the expensive, secure shipping cost which you 

Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy

[Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list]

We are the 27th highest. That doesn't take into account deductions, which 
actually bring our rates far lower. Most companies pay little or no income 
taxes in the end. 

Michael Farmer

> On Jul 24, 2016, at 9:03 AM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list 
> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> 
> When you add in FICA, Self-employment tax, Medicaid, Inventory, ObamaCare,
> Sales and other taxes, they are the highest in the world.
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <m...@meteoriteguy.com>
> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>; "Meteorite Mailing 
> List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 8:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy
> 
> 
> American taxes are nowhere near the highest in the world..
> Michael Farmer
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jul 24, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list 
>> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I have had some overseas buyers ask me to lower the value on the customs 
>> declaration form.  Some even threatened not to accept the package if I 
>> reported the correct amount.  I always tell them that I pay more than my 
>> fair share of U.S. taxes so why should I assist them on cheating on theirs 
>> which is against the law.  Some of these overseas buyers tell me that other 
>> U.S. vendors do it all of the time for them. U.S. taxes are among the 
>> highest in the world, especially when dealing in collectables which have no 
>> long-term capital gain advantage and are in the top tax bracket.
>> 
>> Now, I put this clause in my descriptions:
>> 
>> Import duties, taxes, and charges are not included in the item price or 
>> shipping cost. These charges are the buyer's responsibility.  Please check 
>> with your country's customs office to determine what these additional costs 
>> will be prior to bidding or buying.
>> 
>> I hope this helps,
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message ----- From: "Michael Blood via Meteorite-list" 
>> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
>> To: "MexicoDoug" <mexicod...@aol.com>; "Meteorite List" 
>> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 11:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi Doug,
>>>  Thanks for the kind words. However, I have saved all
>>> The emails and believe me, there was absolutely no confusion
>>> Re shipping - -clarified clearly (twice) that if Fed EX were
>>> less than $50 I would refund him the difference and if it
>>> were more than $50 he would have to agree to paypal me
>>> the difference.
>>>  He stated I should  not have put the "real value" on the shipment -
>>> AFTER I had sent it - When Fed Ex turned out to be more, then
>>> He complained he would have to pay the import fee and wouldn't
>>> Pay any more for the shipping.
>>>  Kind and gentle is always best and I tried that for several
>>> Posts to no avail whatever.
>>>  No, this is a clear cut case of being ripped off. I suspect it is
>>> Our old "friend" as his approach is nearly identical and his English
>>> Is similarly distorted. But whether it is or not the results are identical.
>>>  I, too, like to think people are basically honest and live up to
>>> Their commitments and I do deal with people that way and the vast
>>> Majority of people in the meteorite community are that way.
>>>  Also, I do not believe for a second this is "typical of Italians" -
>>> only two - and possibly only one - have/has acted this way. Every
>>> Country has both the saintly and the cur.
>>>  Good to hear from you, Doug,
>>>  Michael
>>> 
>>>> On 7/23/16 10:32 PM, "MexicoDoug" <mexicod...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Michael,
>>>> 
>>>> How discouraging, as if doing what you love wasn't already a labor of love.
>>>> Your customer appears to be a dedicated collector, exhibitor, lecturer, and
>>>> dealer (involved with meteorites and as using them as raw materials for
>>>> selling trinkets and watch dials, including to school children).  You could
>>>> double-check if it is not a miscommunication from your message exchange
>>>> defining who was supposed to pay for what.  The immediate problem was not
>>>> Italy,

Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy

[Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list]

When you add in FICA, Self-employment tax, Medicaid, Inventory, ObamaCare,
Sales and other taxes, they are the highest in the world.


- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Farmer" <m...@meteoriteguy.com>
To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>; "Meteorite Mailing 
List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>

Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy


American taxes are nowhere near the highest in the world..
Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 24, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:


I have had some overseas buyers ask me to lower the value on the customs 
declaration form.  Some even threatened not to accept the package if I 
reported the correct amount.  I always tell them that I pay more than my 
fair share of U.S. taxes so why should I assist them on cheating on theirs 
which is against the law.  Some of these overseas buyers tell me that 
other U.S. vendors do it all of the time for them. U.S. taxes are among 
the highest in the world, especially when dealing in collectables which 
have no long-term capital gain advantage and are in the top tax bracket.


Now, I put this clause in my descriptions:

Import duties, taxes, and charges are not included in the item price or 
shipping cost. These charges are the buyer's responsibility.  Please check 
with your country's customs office to determine what these additional 
costs will be prior to bidding or buying.


I hope this helps,


- Original Message - From: "Michael Blood via Meteorite-list" 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
To: "MexicoDoug" <mexicod...@aol.com>; "Meteorite List" 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>

Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy



Hi Doug,
  Thanks for the kind words. However, I have saved all
The emails and believe me, there was absolutely no confusion
Re shipping - -clarified clearly (twice) that if Fed EX were
less than $50 I would refund him the difference and if it
were more than $50 he would have to agree to paypal me
the difference.
  He stated I should  not have put the "real value" on the shipment -
AFTER I had sent it - When Fed Ex turned out to be more, then
He complained he would have to pay the import fee and wouldn't
Pay any more for the shipping.
  Kind and gentle is always best and I tried that for several
Posts to no avail whatever.
  No, this is a clear cut case of being ripped off. I suspect it is
Our old "friend" as his approach is nearly identical and his English
Is similarly distorted. But whether it is or not the results are 
identical.

  I, too, like to think people are basically honest and live up to
Their commitments and I do deal with people that way and the vast
Majority of people in the meteorite community are that way.
  Also, I do not believe for a second this is "typical of Italians" -
only two - and possibly only one - have/has acted this way. Every
Country has both the saintly and the cur.
  Good to hear from you, Doug,
  Michael


On 7/23/16 10:32 PM, "MexicoDoug" <mexicod...@aol.com> wrote:

Michael,

How discouraging, as if doing what you love wasn't already a labor of 
love.
Your customer appears to be a dedicated collector, exhibitor, lecturer, 
and

dealer (involved with meteorites and as using them as raw materials for
selling trinkets and watch dials, including to school children).  You 
could

double-check if it is not a miscommunication from your message exchange
defining who was supposed to pay for what.  The immediate problem was 
not
Italy, as much as the expensive, secure shipping cost which you 
understood was
to be paid by him as it sounds like he received the meteorite and you 
have a

tracking receipt.

Or, next time you are in Rimini, stop by this hair salon and go collect 
if the
friendly approach doesn't pan out.  Maybe settle for a seafood risotto. 
I'd
make an appointment first and bring a bottle of wine @ (+39)3485447938. 
He

really doesn't seem like a scammer!

Kindest wishes
Doug



-Original Message-
From: Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>

To: Michael Blood <mlbl...@cox.net>; Meteorite Mailing List
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sat, Jul 23, 2016 9:37 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy

Why do people ignore warnings? Italy is notorious for
scams and stolen packages.

Sent from my iPad


On Jul 23, 2016, at 6:36 PM, Michael Blood via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

Hi all,

  You all may recall that several years ago multiple
Dealers warned against sales to Italy. It seams at
Least one buyer was claiming n

Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy

[Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list]

When you add in FICA, Self-employment tax, Medicaid, Inventory, ObamaCare, 
Sales and other taxes, they are the highest in the world.




- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Farmer" <m...@meteoriteguy.com>
To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>; "Meteorite Mailing 
List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>

Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy


American taxes are nowhere near the highest in the world..
Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 24, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:


I have had some overseas buyers ask me to lower the value on the customs 
declaration form.  Some even threatened not to accept the package if I 
reported the correct amount.  I always tell them that I pay more than my 
fair share of U.S. taxes so why should I assist them on cheating on theirs 
which is against the law.  Some of these overseas buyers tell me that 
other U.S. vendors do it all of the time for them. U.S. taxes are among 
the highest in the world, especially when dealing in collectables which 
have no long-term capital gain advantage and are in the top tax bracket.


Now, I put this clause in my descriptions:

Import duties, taxes, and charges are not included in the item price or 
shipping cost. These charges are the buyer's responsibility.  Please check 
with your country's customs office to determine what these additional 
costs will be prior to bidding or buying.


I hope this helps,


- Original Message - From: "Michael Blood via Meteorite-list" 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
To: "MexicoDoug" <mexicod...@aol.com>; "Meteorite List" 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>

Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy



Hi Doug,
  Thanks for the kind words. However, I have saved all
The emails and believe me, there was absolutely no confusion
Re shipping - -clarified clearly (twice) that if Fed EX were
less than $50 I would refund him the difference and if it
were more than $50 he would have to agree to paypal me
the difference.
  He stated I should  not have put the "real value" on the shipment -
AFTER I had sent it - When Fed Ex turned out to be more, then
He complained he would have to pay the import fee and wouldn't
Pay any more for the shipping.
  Kind and gentle is always best and I tried that for several
Posts to no avail whatever.
  No, this is a clear cut case of being ripped off. I suspect it is
Our old "friend" as his approach is nearly identical and his English
Is similarly distorted. But whether it is or not the results are 
identical.

  I, too, like to think people are basically honest and live up to
Their commitments and I do deal with people that way and the vast
Majority of people in the meteorite community are that way.
  Also, I do not believe for a second this is "typical of Italians" -
only two - and possibly only one - have/has acted this way. Every
Country has both the saintly and the cur.
  Good to hear from you, Doug,
  Michael


On 7/23/16 10:32 PM, "MexicoDoug" <mexicod...@aol.com> wrote:

Michael,

How discouraging, as if doing what you love wasn't already a labor of 
love.
Your customer appears to be a dedicated collector, exhibitor, lecturer, 
and

dealer (involved with meteorites and as using them as raw materials for
selling trinkets and watch dials, including to school children).  You 
could

double-check if it is not a miscommunication from your message exchange
defining who was supposed to pay for what.  The immediate problem was 
not
Italy, as much as the expensive, secure shipping cost which you 
understood was
to be paid by him as it sounds like he received the meteorite and you 
have a

tracking receipt.

Or, next time you are in Rimini, stop by this hair salon and go collect 
if the
friendly approach doesn't pan out.  Maybe settle for a seafood risotto. 
I'd
make an appointment first and bring a bottle of wine @ (+39)3485447938. 
He

really doesn't seem like a scammer!

Kindest wishes
Doug



-Original Message-
From: Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>

To: Michael Blood <mlbl...@cox.net>; Meteorite Mailing List
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sat, Jul 23, 2016 9:37 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy

Why do people ignore warnings? Italy is notorious for
scams and stolen packages.

Sent from my iPad


On Jul 23, 2016, at 6:36 PM, Michael Blood via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

Hi all,

  You all may recall that several years ago multiple
Dealers warned against sales to Italy. It seams at
Least one buyer was claiming n

Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy

[Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list]

American taxes are nowhere near the highest in the world..
Michael Farmer 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 24, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list 
> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> 
> I have had some overseas buyers ask me to lower the value on the customs 
> declaration form.  Some even threatened not to accept the package if I 
> reported the correct amount.  I always tell them that I pay more than my fair 
> share of U.S. taxes so why should I assist them on cheating on theirs which 
> is against the law.  Some of these overseas buyers tell me that other U.S. 
> vendors do it all of the time for them. U.S. taxes are among the highest in 
> the world, especially when dealing in collectables which have no long-term 
> capital gain advantage and are in the top tax bracket.
> 
> Now, I put this clause in my descriptions:
> 
> Import duties, taxes, and charges are not included in the item price or 
> shipping cost. These charges are the buyer's responsibility.  Please check 
> with your country's customs office to determine what these additional costs 
> will be prior to bidding or buying.
> 
> I hope this helps,
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Michael Blood via Meteorite-list" 
> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
> To: "MexicoDoug" <mexicod...@aol.com>; "Meteorite List" 
> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 11:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy
> 
> 
>> Hi Doug,
>>   Thanks for the kind words. However, I have saved all
>> The emails and believe me, there was absolutely no confusion
>> Re shipping - -clarified clearly (twice) that if Fed EX were
>> less than $50 I would refund him the difference and if it
>> were more than $50 he would have to agree to paypal me
>> the difference.
>>   He stated I should  not have put the "real value" on the shipment -
>> AFTER I had sent it - When Fed Ex turned out to be more, then
>> He complained he would have to pay the import fee and wouldn't
>> Pay any more for the shipping.
>>   Kind and gentle is always best and I tried that for several
>> Posts to no avail whatever.
>>   No, this is a clear cut case of being ripped off. I suspect it is
>> Our old "friend" as his approach is nearly identical and his English
>> Is similarly distorted. But whether it is or not the results are identical.
>>   I, too, like to think people are basically honest and live up to
>> Their commitments and I do deal with people that way and the vast
>> Majority of people in the meteorite community are that way.
>>   Also, I do not believe for a second this is "typical of Italians" -
>> only two - and possibly only one - have/has acted this way. Every
>> Country has both the saintly and the cur.
>>   Good to hear from you, Doug,
>>   Michael
>> 
>>> On 7/23/16 10:32 PM, "MexicoDoug" <mexicod...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Michael,
>>> 
>>> How discouraging, as if doing what you love wasn't already a labor of love.
>>> Your customer appears to be a dedicated collector, exhibitor, lecturer, and
>>> dealer (involved with meteorites and as using them as raw materials for
>>> selling trinkets and watch dials, including to school children).  You could
>>> double-check if it is not a miscommunication from your message exchange
>>> defining who was supposed to pay for what.  The immediate problem was not
>>> Italy, as much as the expensive, secure shipping cost which you understood 
>>> was
>>> to be paid by him as it sounds like he received the meteorite and you have a
>>> tracking receipt.
>>> 
>>> Or, next time you are in Rimini, stop by this hair salon and go collect if 
>>> the
>>> friendly approach doesn't pan out.  Maybe settle for a seafood risotto. I'd
>>> make an appointment first and bring a bottle of wine @ (+39)3485447938. He
>>> really doesn't seem like a scammer!
>>> 
>>> Kindest wishes
>>> Doug
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
>>> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
>>> To: Michael Blood <mlbl...@cox.net>; Meteorite Mailing List
>>> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Sent: Sat, Jul 23, 2016 9:37 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy
>>> 
>>> Why do people ignore warnings? Italy 

Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy

[Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list]

I have had some overseas buyers ask me to lower the value on the customs 
declaration form.  Some even threatened not to accept the package if I 
reported the correct amount.  I always tell them that I pay more than my 
fair share of U.S. taxes so why should I assist them on cheating on theirs 
which is against the law.  Some of these overseas buyers tell me that other 
U.S. vendors do it all of the time for them. U.S. taxes are among the 
highest in the world, especially when dealing in collectables which have no 
long-term capital gain advantage and are in the top tax bracket.


Now, I put this clause in my descriptions:

Import duties, taxes, and charges are not included in the item price or 
shipping cost. These charges are the buyer's responsibility.  Please check 
with your country's customs office to determine what these additional costs 
will be prior to bidding or buying.


I hope this helps,


- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Blood via Meteorite-list" 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
To: "MexicoDoug" <mexicod...@aol.com>; "Meteorite List" 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>

Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy



Hi Doug,
   Thanks for the kind words. However, I have saved all
The emails and believe me, there was absolutely no confusion
Re shipping - -clarified clearly (twice) that if Fed EX were
less than $50 I would refund him the difference and if it
were more than $50 he would have to agree to paypal me
the difference.
   He stated I should  not have put the "real value" on the shipment -
AFTER I had sent it - When Fed Ex turned out to be more, then
He complained he would have to pay the import fee and wouldn't
Pay any more for the shipping.
   Kind and gentle is always best and I tried that for several
Posts to no avail whatever.
   No, this is a clear cut case of being ripped off. I suspect it is
Our old "friend" as his approach is nearly identical and his English
Is similarly distorted. But whether it is or not the results are 
identical.

   I, too, like to think people are basically honest and live up to
Their commitments and I do deal with people that way and the vast
Majority of people in the meteorite community are that way.
   Also, I do not believe for a second this is "typical of Italians" -
only two - and possibly only one - have/has acted this way. Every
Country has both the saintly and the cur.
   Good to hear from you, Doug,
   Michael

On 7/23/16 10:32 PM, "MexicoDoug" <mexicod...@aol.com> wrote:


Michael,

How discouraging, as if doing what you love wasn't already a labor of 
love.
Your customer appears to be a dedicated collector, exhibitor, lecturer, 
and

dealer (involved with meteorites and as using them as raw materials for
selling trinkets and watch dials, including to school children).  You 
could

double-check if it is not a miscommunication from your message exchange
defining who was supposed to pay for what.  The immediate problem was not
Italy, as much as the expensive, secure shipping cost which you 
understood was
to be paid by him as it sounds like he received the meteorite and you 
have a

tracking receipt.

Or, next time you are in Rimini, stop by this hair salon and go collect 
if the
friendly approach doesn't pan out.  Maybe settle for a seafood risotto. 
I'd
make an appointment first and bring a bottle of wine @ (+39)3485447938. 
He

really doesn't seem like a scammer!

Kindest wishes
Doug



-Original Message-
From: Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>

To: Michael Blood <mlbl...@cox.net>; Meteorite Mailing List
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sat, Jul 23, 2016 9:37 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy

Why do people ignore warnings? Italy is notorious for
scams and stolen packages.

Sent from my iPad


On Jul 23, 2016, at 6:36 PM, Michael Blood via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

Hi all,

   You all may recall that several years ago multiple
Dealers warned against sales to Italy. It seams at
Least one buyer was claiming not to have received
Shipments that were verified, not to have received
Money that was sent him, etc.

   Unfortunately, I failed to head warnings about
Shipping to Italy. A different Italian contacted me (Or
At least one using a different name and email) and
I explained even Registered Mail seems to fail to
guarantee delivery in Italy but I somehow allowed
him to talk me into a Fed Ex shipment of a specimen.
I agreed, providing he send $50 shipping and agree
to pay any additional amount Fed Ex might charge.

  Perhaps it is the same fellow from several years ago
Using a different name (he was so good at that Art could
Not keep him off the list because he would just join again
U

Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy

[Michael Blood via Meteorite-list]

Hi Doug,
Thanks for the kind words. However, I have saved all
The emails and believe me, there was absolutely no confusion
Re shipping - -clarified clearly (twice) that if Fed EX were
less than $50 I would refund him the difference and if it
were more than $50 he would have to agree to paypal me
the difference.
He stated I should  not have put the "real value" on the shipment -
AFTER I had sent it - When Fed Ex turned out to be more, then
He complained he would have to pay the import fee and wouldn't
Pay any more for the shipping.
Kind and gentle is always best and I tried that for several
Posts to no avail whatever.
No, this is a clear cut case of being ripped off. I suspect it is
Our old "friend" as his approach is nearly identical and his English
Is similarly distorted. But whether it is or not the results are identical.
I, too, like to think people are basically honest and live up to
Their commitments and I do deal with people that way and the vast
Majority of people in the meteorite community are that way.
Also, I do not believe for a second this is "typical of Italians" -
only two - and possibly only one - have/has acted this way. Every
Country has both the saintly and the cur.
Good to hear from you, Doug,
Michael

On 7/23/16 10:32 PM, "MexicoDoug" <mexicod...@aol.com> wrote:

> Michael,
> 
> How discouraging, as if doing what you love wasn't already a labor of love.
> Your customer appears to be a dedicated collector, exhibitor, lecturer, and
> dealer (involved with meteorites and as using them as raw materials for
> selling trinkets and watch dials, including to school children).  You could
> double-check if it is not a miscommunication from your message exchange
> defining who was supposed to pay for what.  The immediate problem was not
> Italy, as much as the expensive, secure shipping cost which you understood was
> to be paid by him as it sounds like he received the meteorite and you have a
> tracking receipt.
> 
> Or, next time you are in Rimini, stop by this hair salon and go collect if the
> friendly approach doesn't pan out.  Maybe settle for a seafood risotto.  I'd
> make an appointment first and bring a bottle of wine @ (+39)3485447938.  He
> really doesn't seem like a scammer!
> 
> Kindest wishes
> Doug
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
> To: Michael Blood <mlbl...@cox.net>; Meteorite Mailing List
> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Sat, Jul 23, 2016 9:37 pm
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy
> 
> Why do people ignore warnings? Italy is notorious for
> scams and stolen packages.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2016, at 6:36 PM, Michael Blood via Meteorite-list
>> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>>You all may recall that several years ago multiple
>> Dealers warned against sales to Italy. It seams at
>> Least one buyer was claiming not to have received
>> Shipments that were verified, not to have received
>> Money that was sent him, etc.
>> 
>>Unfortunately, I failed to head warnings about
>> Shipping to Italy. A different Italian contacted me (Or
>> At least one using a different name and email) and
>> I explained even Registered Mail seems to fail to
>> guarantee delivery in Italy but I somehow allowed
>> him to talk me into a Fed Ex shipment of a specimen.
>> I agreed, providing he send $50 shipping and agree
>> to pay any additional amount Fed Ex might charge.
>> 
>>   Perhaps it is the same fellow from several years ago
>> Using a different name (he was so good at that Art could
>> Not keep him off the list because he would just join again
>> Using a different name and email). So, beware of:
>> 
>> "Davide Urbinati" <urbinati.dav...@gmail.com>
>> 
>> 
>>Even though I scanned the receipt and sent it to him
>> He refused to pay the $59.79 Fed Ex charged me. So, I am
>> Out that $.
>> 
>>Believe me, I will never ship to Italy again.
>> 
>>Better luck to all of you,
>>Michael Blood
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy

[MexicoDoug via Meteorite-list]

Michael,

How discouraging, as if doing what you love wasn't already a labor of love.  
Your customer appears to be a dedicated collector, exhibitor, lecturer, and 
dealer (involved with meteorites and as using them as raw materials for selling 
trinkets and watch dials, including to school children).  You could 
double-check if it is not a miscommunication from your message exchange 
defining who was supposed to pay for what.  The immediate problem was not 
Italy, as much as the expensive, secure shipping cost which you understood was 
to be paid by him as it sounds like he received the meteorite and you have a 
tracking receipt.

Or, next time you are in Rimini, stop by this hair salon and go collect if the 
friendly approach doesn't pan out.  Maybe settle for a seafood risotto.  I'd 
make an appointment first and bring a bottle of wine @ (+39)3485447938.  He 
really doesn't seem like a scammer!

Kindest wishes
Doug



-Original Message-
From: Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
To: Michael Blood <mlbl...@cox.net>; Meteorite Mailing List 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sat, Jul 23, 2016 9:37 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy

Why do people ignore warnings? Italy is notorious for 
scams and stolen packages. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 23, 2016, at 6:36 PM, Michael Blood via Meteorite-list 
> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
>You all may recall that several years ago multiple
> Dealers warned against sales to Italy. It seams at
> Least one buyer was claiming not to have received
> Shipments that were verified, not to have received
> Money that was sent him, etc.
> 
>Unfortunately, I failed to head warnings about
> Shipping to Italy. A different Italian contacted me (Or
> At least one using a different name and email) and
> I explained even Registered Mail seems to fail to
> guarantee delivery in Italy but I somehow allowed
> him to talk me into a Fed Ex shipment of a specimen.
> I agreed, providing he send $50 shipping and agree
> to pay any additional amount Fed Ex might charge.
> 
>   Perhaps it is the same fellow from several years ago
> Using a different name (he was so good at that Art could
> Not keep him off the list because he would just join again
> Using a different name and email). So, beware of:
> 
> "Davide Urbinati" <urbinati.dav...@gmail.com>
> 
> 
>Even though I scanned the receipt and sent it to him
> He refused to pay the $59.79 Fed Ex charged me. So, I am
> Out that $.
> 
>Believe me, I will never ship to Italy again.
> 
>Better luck to all of you,
>Michael Blood
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> __
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Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy

[Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list]

Why do people ignore warnings? Italy is notorious for 
scams and stolen packages. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 23, 2016, at 6:36 PM, Michael Blood via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
>You all may recall that several years ago multiple
> Dealers warned against sales to Italy. It seams at
> Least one buyer was claiming not to have received
> Shipments that were verified, not to have received
> Money that was sent him, etc.
> 
>Unfortunately, I failed to head warnings about
> Shipping to Italy. A different Italian contacted me (Or
> At least one using a different name and email) and
> I explained even Registered Mail seems to fail to
> guarantee delivery in Italy but I somehow allowed
> him to talk me into a Fed Ex shipment of a specimen.
> I agreed, providing he send $50 shipping and agree
> to pay any additional amount Fed Ex might charge.
> 
>Perhaps it is the same fellow from several years ago
> Using a different name (he was so good at that Art could
> Not keep him off the list because he would just join again
> Using a different name and email). So, beware of:
> 
> "Davide Urbinati" 
> 
> 
>Even though I scanned the receipt and sent it to him
> He refused to pay the $59.79 Fed Ex charged me. So, I am
> Out that $.
> 
>Believe me, I will never ship to Italy again.
> 
>Better luck to all of you,
>Michael Blood
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy

[Michael Blood via Meteorite-list]

 Hi all,

You all may recall that several years ago multiple
Dealers warned against sales to Italy. It seams at
Least one buyer was claiming not to have received
Shipments that were verified, not to have received
Money that was sent him, etc.

Unfortunately, I failed to head warnings about
Shipping to Italy. A different Italian contacted me (Or
At least one using a different name and email) and
I explained even Registered Mail seems to fail to
guarantee delivery in Italy but I somehow allowed
him to talk me into a Fed Ex shipment of a specimen.
I agreed, providing he send $50 shipping and agree
to pay any additional amount Fed Ex might charge.

Perhaps it is the same fellow from several years ago
Using a different name (he was so good at that Art could
Not keep him off the list because he would just join again
Using a different name and email). So, beware of:

"Davide Urbinati" 


Even though I scanned the receipt and sent it to him
He refused to pay the $59.79 Fed Ex charged me. So, I am
Out that $.

Believe me, I will never ship to Italy again.

Better luck to all of you,
Michael Blood

 



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Re: [meteorite-list] Addendum (Warning - Original Radical Theory)

[Martin Altmann]

Little addendum, Doug:

It is often cited that his interest in meteoritics was suddenly fomented by
conversations with Georg Christoph Lichtenberg in 1791-1793.  But
Lichtenberg himself had nothing to say about it,

Chladni describes in the beginning of his big work:
Ueber Feuer-Meteore , und Über die mit denselben herabgefallenen Massen of
1819,
on page 6-8, 
how Lichtenberg brought him to meteorites.
(With a funny footnote, how aghast Lichtenberg reacted on his first
publication of 1794).

It's available in Google books.


Best!
Martin 



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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha

[Douglas Dawn]

It has nothing to do with the Moroccan people, just the distance and 
perceptions of borders. Anyone regardless of nationality who hides 
behind a keyboard thinking it provides anonymity to cover up swindling 
will eventually meet their match whether it is Gary or something else. 

 
What a chance to go unannounced and claim:

(Renault) What in heaven's name brought you to Casablanca?
(Blaine) My health. I came to Casablanca for the waters.
(Renault) The waters? What waters? We're in the desert.
(Blaine) I was misinformed.

And leave saying,

H  Morocco, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful 
friendship!


PS this is a mostly a random reply as a question came up if I am still 
alive ... yes - just with almost 23,000 unread list messages in the 
inbox and my hands quite full

 






-Original Message-
From: Jason Utas lt;meteorite...@gmail.comgt;
To: Dan Furlan lt;danfur...@gmail.comgt;; Meteorite-list 
lt;meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comgt;

Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:37 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha

Hello All,Please be aware that the seller (Lahcenia Ait Ha or Lacenia 
Ait Ha --or apparently Lahcen Ait Ha) has changed his facebook user 
name and isnow going by the name Lhou Ait 
Ha.http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=10954047781I de-friended 
the fellow some years ago because his communicationsmade me 
uncomfortable. He didn't have any references, and I found anegative 
past reference to him on the 
list:http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg5
6009.htmlMy last communication with him was in 2010. Apparently he's 
still around...Dan -- please think about what you are suggesting. Would 
you say thesame thing to all US dealers if one of them was proven to 
have somehowswindled people? Maybe, but I have the feeling that such a 
demandwould seem a little over-the-top. You are indeed entitled to 
youropinion.Regards,JasonOn Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Dan Furlan 
lt;danfur...@gmail.comgt; wrote:gt;  I'd like to speak for myself 
 and say I'm not ordering anything fromgt; Morocco until Gary gets his 
money back.  I just canceled an order forgt; 75 kilos because I am not 
risking my money with somebody who may knowgt; this guy who ripped off 
Gary.  I do not support this kind of behaviorgt; and i already heard 
to be careful when dealing directly with thegt; Moroccans.  What just 
happened to Gary didn't happen from some fly bygt; night con artist, 
this guy has sold stuff before and is known amongstgt; the Moroccans. 
  It's going to take a lot more then throwing a fewgt; names at me to 
earn my trust I want to see them do something aboutgt; this and self 
regulate themselves before i send a few thousand dollarsgt; by western 
union.  Anyways this is how i feel and im entitled to saygt; and do 
whatever i want especially since i know Gary and I am verygt; upset in 
learning that he got cheated out of his hard earned money.gt; The 
honest Moroccan dealers need to be concerned when somebody fromgt; 
their circle of business associates is pulling scams as it has agt; 
ripple effect on their over all image.. the same concept applies 
whengt; IMCA is concerned when one of their own isn't playing by the 
rules,gt; same principle in effect here according to me.  this is my 
opinion andgt; i stand behind it 100%gt; Daniel Furlangt;gt; On 
Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:37 AM, bill kies 
lt;parkforest...@hotmail.comgt; wrote:gt;gt;gt;gt; This is going 
way too far. Nobody over there owes anyone jack. To insinuate that 
honest dealers in Africa or anywhere else have a responsibility to hunt 
down deadbeats is moronic. We know the risks involved unless we WERE 
born yesterday. I believe I speak for everybody when I say you don't 
even come close to speaking for everybody.gt;gt;gt;gt;gt;gt; 
gt;gt;gt; Date: Thu, 23 Jun 
2011 01:21:20 -0400gt;gt;gt; From: danfur...@gmail.comgt;gt;gt; 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comkigt;gt;gt; Subject: Re: 
[meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait 
Hagt;gt;gt;gt;gt;gt; I would like to see that every Moroccan 
dealer who knows thisgt;gt;gt; disgraceful person named Lacen Ait Ha 
do everything they can to helpgt;gt;gt; Gary get his money back. I 
know Gary gives the Moroccans lots ofgt;gt;gt; business and i feel 
they owe him the professional courtesy to huntgt;gt;gt; down this 
very bad apple and have a serious talk with him. A few ofgt;gt;gt; 
the Moroccan dealers I have spoken to asked me if i know Gary 
Fujiharagt;gt;gt; to build trust with me. The same people who use 
Gary's name to buildgt;gt;gt; trust with me to do business, owe Gary 
the professional courtesy andgt;gt;gt; have the responsibilty to 
find this guy Lacen Ait Ha and make sure hegt;gt;gt; sends Gary all 
the money back plus the cost of shipping those bogusgt;gt;gt; rocks 
back to Morocco. We are not stupid people in North America 
andgt;gt;gt; we were not born yesterday and i

Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha

[Dan Furlan]

 I'd like to speak for myself  and say I'm not ordering anything from
Morocco until Gary gets his money back.  I just canceled an order for
75 kilos because I am not risking my money with somebody who may know
this guy who ripped off Gary.  I do not support this kind of behavior
and i already heard to be careful when dealing directly with the
Moroccans.  What just happened to Gary didn't happen from some fly by
night con artist, this guy has sold stuff before and is known amongst
the Moroccans.   It's going to take a lot more then throwing a few
names at me to earn my trust I want to see them do something about
this and self regulate themselves before i send a few thousand dollars
by western union.  Anyways this is how i feel and im entitled to say
and do whatever i want especially since i know Gary and I am very
upset in learning that he got cheated out of his hard earned money.
The honest Moroccan dealers need to be concerned when somebody from
their circle of business associates is pulling scams as it has a
ripple effect on their over all image.. the same concept applies when
IMCA is concerned when one of their own isn't playing by the rules,
same principle in effect here according to me.  this is my opinion and
i stand behind it 100%
Daniel Furlan

On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:37 AM, bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com wrote:

 This is going way too far. Nobody over there owes anyone jack. To insinuate 
 that honest dealers in Africa or anywhere else have a responsibility to hunt 
 down deadbeats is moronic. We know the risks involved unless we WERE born 
 yesterday. I believe I speak for everybody when I say you don't even come 
 close to speaking for everybody.


 
 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 01:21:20 -0400
 From: danfur...@gmail.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comki
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha

 I would like to see that every Moroccan dealer who knows this
 disgraceful person named Lacen Ait Ha do everything they can to help
 Gary get his money back. I know Gary gives the Moroccans lots of
 business and i feel they owe him the professional courtesy to hunt
 down this very bad apple and have a serious talk with him. A few of
 the Moroccan dealers I have spoken to asked me if i know Gary Fujihara
 to build trust with me. The same people who use Gary's name to build
 trust with me to do business, owe Gary the professional courtesy and
 have the responsibilty to find this guy Lacen Ait Ha and make sure he
 sends Gary all the money back plus the cost of shipping those bogus
 rocks back to Morocco. We are not stupid people in North America and
 we were not born yesterday and i believe i speak for everybody when i
 say we want to see Gary get his money back. Find a way to make it
 happen, end of story.

 Daniel Furlan
 collector and dealer
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha

[Greg Hupe]

Easy solution to collecting debt from a thief in Morocco... Fly there, go 
straight to the town he lives, go directly to the chief of police and file a 
report. They do not mess around and will have the thief on the phone within 
minutes and demand action or get tossed in jail!

How do I know this you may ask... Easy, I did it three years ago with immediate 
results. If you want to deal, you should go to the source, you can pick your 
own stones, take your gambles and can appreciate where the meteorites come 
from!!

Still having fun in France, St. Marie Show is in high gear... and I have scored 
some goodies!!! ;-)

Best Regards,
Greg Hupe

On Jun 23, 2011, at 7:21 AM, Dan Furlan danfur...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would like to see that every Moroccan dealer who knows this
 disgraceful person named Lacen Ait Ha do everything they can to help
 Gary get his money back. I know Gary gives the Moroccans lots of
 business and i feel they owe him the professional courtesy to hunt
 down this very bad apple and have a serious talk with him.  A few of
 the Moroccan dealers I have spoken to asked me if i know Gary Fujihara
 to build trust with me.  The same people who use Gary's name to build
 trust with me to do business, owe Gary the professional courtesy and
 have the responsibilty to find this guy Lacen Ait Ha and make sure he
 sends Gary all the money back plus the cost of shipping those bogus
 rocks back to Morocco.  We are not stupid people in North America and
 we were not born yesterday and i believe i speak for everybody when i
 say we want to see Gary get his money back.  Find a way to make it
 happen, end of story.
 
 Daniel Furlan
 collector and dealer
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha

[Gary Fujihara]

Aloha Dan, metlist subscribers,

Mahalo Dan for your support in this unfortunate situation in which I find 
myself.  Many honorable Moroccan meteorite dealers have stepped up to 
communicate with Lahcen Ait Ha to resolve this problem.  I am so lucky and 
honored to have good friends like Aziz Habibi, Said Haddany, Aid Mohamed, Ahmad 
Bourgaa, Ali Oulmaleh, Rachid Chaoui, Abdellah Afinnis, Abdelfattah Garrad, 
Aziz Alhyane, and others.  They are professional in their actions and honest as 
the day is long.  

The problems lie in the scope of Lahcen Ait Ha's mental capacity and lack of 
moral compass.  He is a troubled person who knows not right from wrong, and 
whose family knows of this malady.  Now many of my friends are working to 
correct this situation.

My whole intent was to warn the meteorite community about this individual.  Not 
to punish all the meteorite dealers in Morocco for the acts of one bad person.  
Please lets not tarnish the good reputation or withhold business with reputable 
meteorite dealers there.  And rest assured that efforts are being made to 
resolve this problem.  
 
Mahalo nui loa,
gary

On Jun 22, 2011, at 7:21 PM, Dan Furlan wrote:

 I would like to see that every Moroccan dealer who knows this
 disgraceful person named Lacen Ait Ha do everything they can to help
 Gary get his money back. I know Gary gives the Moroccans lots of
 business and i feel they owe him the professional courtesy to hunt
 down this very bad apple and have a serious talk with him.  A few of
 the Moroccan dealers I have spoken to asked me if i know Gary Fujihara
 to build trust with me.  The same people who use Gary's name to build
 trust with me to do business, owe Gary the professional courtesy and
 have the responsibilty to find this guy Lacen Ait Ha and make sure he
 sends Gary all the money back plus the cost of shipping those bogus
 rocks back to Morocco.  We are not stupid people in North America and
 we were not born yesterday and i believe i speak for everybody when i
 say we want to see Gary get his money back.  Find a way to make it
 happen, end of story.
 
 Daniel Furlan
 collector and dealer
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105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720
http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/
http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha

[Said Haddany]

Hi Daniel Furlan,
from your text it sounds ,from one way or another,that you are attacking the 
moroccan dealers because of what Lahcen Ait Ha did..
First of all Lahcen ait Ha is not a dealer at all..The reall Moroccan dealers 
like ,Aziz Habibi,Ali Oulmah and myself are very sorry at what happen and we 
are doing our very best to find a solution for our friend Gary...
you said ``I'm not ordering anything from
Morocco until Gary gets his money back.`` but how big the order you will make 
if Gary gets his money back ??LOL
thanks

  Said Haddany
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha

[Said Haddany]

Daniel,
Dont worry we are all with our friend Gary and the story is ending soon..
it sounds like you take all the moroccans wrong,but let me tell you that you 
are tottaly wrong at that point..bad and good people are everywhere..
Daniel ,On last Tucson show,somebody stole a nice achondrite from me and i did 
announce that on the list ,so why you kept quiet,you should have helped me to 
get it back..right? another Moroccan dealer had been robbed off on tow nice 
planetry stones ,evetrybody knows that,so where you have been to help him to 
get them back...
You said ```We are not stupid people in North America and
we were not born yesterday and i believe i speak for everybody when i
say we want to see Gary get his money back.  Find a way to make it
happen, end of story.``
Daniel,please can you read your texts carefully before you mail them to the 
list on next times ?let us talk about the problem of Gary and nothing 
else,please ...
the problem of Gary is our problem all and we are ending the story soon,but 
remember that many other moroccans have stories with other dealers and you will 
have to help and end thier stories ...
best regards



  Said Haddany


--- On Wed, 6/22/11, Dan Furlan danfur...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Dan Furlan danfur...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha
 To: met-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 10:21 PM
 I would like to see that every
 Moroccan dealer who knows this
 disgraceful person named Lacen Ait Ha do everything they
 can to help
 Gary get his money back. I know Gary gives the Moroccans
 lots of
 business and i feel they owe him the professional courtesy
 to hunt
 down this very bad apple and have a serious talk with
 him.  A few of
 the Moroccan dealers I have spoken to asked me if i know
 Gary Fujihara
 to build trust with me.  The same people who use
 Gary's name to build
 trust with me to do business, owe Gary the professional
 courtesy and
 have the responsibilty to find this guy Lacen Ait Ha and
 make sure he
 sends Gary all the money back plus the cost of shipping
 those bogus
 rocks back to Morocco.  We are not stupid people in
 North America and
 we were not born yesterday and i believe i speak for
 everybody when i
 say we want to see Gary get his money back.  Find a
 way to make it
 happen, end of story.
 
 Daniel Furlan
 collector and dealer
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha

[Marcin Cimala]

Hi List
The truth is that You should NEVER send money first to persons You dont know 
well.

I also trained this several time on my own as*.
I was ripped in Burkina Faso several times. I lost 2100euro last year 
becouse thief Mezgouri Fayssal sold me LL6 that on photos looks like 
diogenite and ofcourse he telling me its Diogenite. I never see my money or 
other stones to recover my loses. And he lie to me for months that he is on 
desert and when he return to home he will send me something agains this. Too 
bad, becouse I purchased from him some very nice meteorites befor that 
accident, so I have no reason to send him money first. My bad that I was 
ripped like a kid.


I think I will try Greg's way and I will visit Police in agadir if he not 
like to speak with me during my next visit in morocco.


Just be carefull...

-[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-
http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
http://www.PolandMET.com   marcin(at)polandmet.com
http://www.Gao-Guenie.com  GSM: +48 (793) 567667
[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]



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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha

[Dan Furlan]

Dear Gary and Said Haddany,
Thank you for the update. I am glad to hear that you guys in Morocco
are helping with this situation it shows me that  you are honorable
people and care about the people you do business with.  I will not
have a problem with buying from Morocco as a result because this shows
me if something does go wrong that other dealers in Morocco are
willing to help even though it is not your fault.  I am not blaming or
punishing anybody i just want to know that you care when something
like this happens.  I apologize if it sounded like I was attacking all
Moroccan dealers that was not my intention.  Thanks again for the
update and I am happy to hear this story come to an end.  I am also
sorry to hear that there was a thief at the Tucson show. i was not on
the met-list at the time and i would of been upset in hearing about
that story as well and i would of supported you in getting your items
back as well.  I do not like people who steal plain and simple.
Please forgive me if my words sounded harsh i was upset and I am
satisfied now that the proper action is being taken.
Daniel Furlan

On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Said Haddany mfcollec...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Daniel,
 Dont worry we are all with our friend Gary and the story is ending soon..
 it sounds like you take all the moroccans wrong,but let me tell you that you 
 are tottaly wrong at that point..bad and good people are everywhere..
 Daniel ,On last Tucson show,somebody stole a nice achondrite from me and i 
 did announce that on the list ,so why you kept quiet,you should have helped 
 me to get it back..right? another Moroccan dealer had been robbed off on tow 
 nice planetry stones ,evetrybody knows that,so where you have been to help 
 him to get them back...
 You said ```We are not stupid people in North America and
 we were not born yesterday and i believe i speak for everybody when i
 say we want to see Gary get his money back.  Find a way to make it
 happen, end of story.``
 Daniel,please can you read your texts carefully before you mail them to the 
 list on next times ?let us talk about the problem of Gary and nothing 
 else,please ...
 the problem of Gary is our problem all and we are ending the story soon,but 
 remember that many other moroccans have stories with other dealers and you 
 will have to help and end thier stories ...
 best regards



   Said Haddany


 --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Dan Furlan danfur...@gmail.com wrote:

  From: Dan Furlan danfur...@gmail.com
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha
  To: met-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 10:21 PM
  I would like to see that every
  Moroccan dealer who knows this
  disgraceful person named Lacen Ait Ha do everything they
  can to help
  Gary get his money back. I know Gary gives the Moroccans
  lots of
  business and i feel they owe him the professional courtesy
  to hunt
  down this very bad apple and have a serious talk with
  him.  A few of
  the Moroccan dealers I have spoken to asked me if i know
  Gary Fujihara
  to build trust with me.  The same people who use
  Gary's name to build
  trust with me to do business, owe Gary the professional
  courtesy and
  have the responsibilty to find this guy Lacen Ait Ha and
  make sure he
  sends Gary all the money back plus the cost of shipping
  those bogus
  rocks back to Morocco.  We are not stupid people in
  North America and
  we were not born yesterday and i believe i speak for
  everybody when i
  say we want to see Gary get his money back.  Find a
  way to make it
  happen, end of story.
 
  Daniel Furlan
  collector and dealer
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha

[Jason Utas]

Hello All,
Please be aware that the seller (Lahcenia Ait Ha or Lacenia Ait Ha --
or apparently Lahcen Ait Ha) has changed his facebook user name and is
now going by the name Lhou Ait Ha.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=10954047781

I de-friended the fellow some years ago because his communications
made me uncomfortable.  He didn't have any references, and I found a
negative past reference to him on the list:

http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg56009.html

My last communication with him was in 2010.  Apparently he's still around...

Dan -- please think about what you are suggesting.  Would you say the
same thing to all US dealers if one of them was proven to have somehow
swindled people?  Maybe, but I have the feeling that such a demand
would seem a little over-the-top.  You are indeed entitled to your
opinion.

Regards,
Jason



On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Dan Furlan danfur...@gmail.com wrote:
  I'd like to speak for myself  and say I'm not ordering anything from
 Morocco until Gary gets his money back.  I just canceled an order for
 75 kilos because I am not risking my money with somebody who may know
 this guy who ripped off Gary.  I do not support this kind of behavior
 and i already heard to be careful when dealing directly with the
 Moroccans.  What just happened to Gary didn't happen from some fly by
 night con artist, this guy has sold stuff before and is known amongst
 the Moroccans.   It's going to take a lot more then throwing a few
 names at me to earn my trust I want to see them do something about
 this and self regulate themselves before i send a few thousand dollars
 by western union.  Anyways this is how i feel and im entitled to say
 and do whatever i want especially since i know Gary and I am very
 upset in learning that he got cheated out of his hard earned money.
 The honest Moroccan dealers need to be concerned when somebody from
 their circle of business associates is pulling scams as it has a
 ripple effect on their over all image.. the same concept applies when
 IMCA is concerned when one of their own isn't playing by the rules,
 same principle in effect here according to me.  this is my opinion and
 i stand behind it 100%
 Daniel Furlan

 On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:37 AM, bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com wrote:

 This is going way too far. Nobody over there owes anyone jack. To insinuate 
 that honest dealers in Africa or anywhere else have a responsibility to hunt 
 down deadbeats is moronic. We know the risks involved unless we WERE born 
 yesterday. I believe I speak for everybody when I say you don't even come 
 close to speaking for everybody.


 
 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 01:21:20 -0400
 From: danfur...@gmail.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comki
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha

 I would like to see that every Moroccan dealer who knows this
 disgraceful person named Lacen Ait Ha do everything they can to help
 Gary get his money back. I know Gary gives the Moroccans lots of
 business and i feel they owe him the professional courtesy to hunt
 down this very bad apple and have a serious talk with him. A few of
 the Moroccan dealers I have spoken to asked me if i know Gary Fujihara
 to build trust with me. The same people who use Gary's name to build
 trust with me to do business, owe Gary the professional courtesy and
 have the responsibilty to find this guy Lacen Ait Ha and make sure he
 sends Gary all the money back plus the cost of shipping those bogus
 rocks back to Morocco. We are not stupid people in North America and
 we were not born yesterday and i believe i speak for everybody when i
 say we want to see Gary get his money back. Find a way to make it
 happen, end of story.

 Daniel Furlan
 collector and dealer
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha

[meteoriteguy.com]

When the moroccans began selling direct to end collectors i knew it would only 
end badly.
You can not expect to send huge sums of money overseas and get what you paid 
for. I have never once sent money  before the stone was delivered to me.
They cant rip you off that way.
Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 23, 2011, at 1:03 AM, Jack Schrader schrad...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 I too have been had by a dishonest Moroccan dealer I am embarrassed to say.  
 I 
 have have many good dealings with this person in the past slowly building a 
 trusting meteorite buying relationship.  This person also sent me a photo of 
 a 
 meteorite that I wished to buy, a very rare type.  When I received the stone, 
 it 
 was a very obvious weathered H chondrite and not the meteorite that I agreed 
 to 
 buy and paid a great sum of money for.  This person has promised to send me 
 other meteorites to make up for the mistake but has not yet done so.  This 
 has 
 been going on since November 2010.  I have instead gotten many excuses, the 
 latest being the border problems with Algeria do not allow for him to get 
 the 
 stones that I will accept to make up for the money owed to me as Moroccans 
 cannot send money out of the country.  I have been very patient with this 
 person 
 but I will soon expose his name to the list in order to protect other buyers 
 who 
 may fall prey to his scam.  I still hold a small glimmer of hope that he make 
 make this right but I am very doubtful at this point.  I have been patient 
 with 
 this person for more than 8 months now but I am rapidly losing my patience 
 and 
 hope that he will keep his many promises to me.  I will give this person one 
 more month to clear his name and reputation and then I will expose him to the 
 list for the thief and liar that he is in order to keep others from falling 
 prey 
 to his dishonest scam.  If he makes good, then I will owe him my apologies.  
 
 
 I have had and continue to have good dealings with no problems whatsoever 
 with 
 the following dealers: Abdelfattah Gharrad, Abdelaziz Alhyane and Ahmad 
 Bouragaa.  I would highly recommend these dealers as I have dealt with them 
 for 
 many years with no problems at all.  All very trustworthy men.  All it takes 
 is 
 a couple of rotten Moroccans to give everyone a bad name though.
 
 I, as Gary Fujihara does,  hate to make negative posts but also feel it 
 necessary to expose the dishonest dealers to the list.  I will keep you 
 posted 
 and I hope the list of bad Moroccan delears does not continue to grow.  These 
 are desperate times and the time to be all the more careful with our hard 
 earned 
 money.  Be careful out there.  
 
 
 Jack
 
 
  
 
 
 - Forwarded Message 
 From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com
 To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Wed, June 22, 2011 2:57:25 PM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha
 
 Aloha all,
 
 I want to warn everyone about a dishonorable dealer of meteorites who lives 
 in 
 Morocco by the name of Lahcen Ait Ha.  Lahcen offered a 748g lot of NWA 859 
 Taza 
 iron meteorites by showing me pictures of them by email.  I purchased the 
 lot, 
 but when I received his package, I realized that the material he sent me was 
 not 
 the same as the ones in the pictures.  Not only that, but I have doubts 
 whether 
 the material is meteoritic at all.  Needless to say, I returned the material 
 immediately and contacted Lahcen to get a refund.  He has stalled and to this 
 point has refused to return my money.  Several honorable Moroccan meteorite 
 dealers have contacted Lahcen to talk sense into him to return my money, but 
 these efforts have been fruitless.  I have now waited over two months for 
 resolution and yet there is no solution in sight, despite my efforts and 
 those 
 of my friends in Morocco.  
 
 
 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/_BogusTaza.jpg
 
 I must say that the vast majority of meteorite dealers in Morocco are of 
 unquestionable integrity and good character.  It is a pity that such a person 
 is 
 able to continue to perpetrate his fraudulent actions there.  
 
 
 I implore all to NEVER DEAL WITH Lahcen Ait Ha.
 
 I never make posts like this because I have never had a need to do so.  But 
 extenuating circumstances have forced me to make this public immediately to 
 protect others from being victimized by this person.  Thank you for your 
 understanding and caveat emptor.
 
 Gary Fujihara
 Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693)
 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720
 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/
 http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html  
 (808) 640-9161
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha

[Dan Furlan]

I would like to see that every Moroccan dealer who knows this
disgraceful person named Lacen Ait Ha do everything they can to help
Gary get his money back. I know Gary gives the Moroccans lots of
business and i feel they owe him the professional courtesy to hunt
down this very bad apple and have a serious talk with him.  A few of
the Moroccan dealers I have spoken to asked me if i know Gary Fujihara
to build trust with me.  The same people who use Gary's name to build
trust with me to do business, owe Gary the professional courtesy and
have the responsibilty to find this guy Lacen Ait Ha and make sure he
sends Gary all the money back plus the cost of shipping those bogus
rocks back to Morocco.  We are not stupid people in North America and
we were not born yesterday and i believe i speak for everybody when i
say we want to see Gary get his money back.  Find a way to make it
happen, end of story.

Daniel Furlan
collector and dealer
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha

[bill kies]

This is going way too far. Nobody over there owes anyone jack. To insinuate 
that honest dealers in Africa or anywhere else have a responsibility to hunt 
down deadbeats is moronic. We know the risks involved unless we WERE born 
yesterday. I believe I speak for everybody when I say you don't even come 
close to speaking for everybody.
  


 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 01:21:20 -0400
 From: danfur...@gmail.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha

 I would like to see that every Moroccan dealer who knows this
 disgraceful person named Lacen Ait Ha do everything they can to help
 Gary get his money back. I know Gary gives the Moroccans lots of
 business and i feel they owe him the professional courtesy to hunt
 down this very bad apple and have a serious talk with him. A few of
 the Moroccan dealers I have spoken to asked me if i know Gary Fujihara
 to build trust with me. The same people who use Gary's name to build
 trust with me to do business, owe Gary the professional courtesy and
 have the responsibilty to find this guy Lacen Ait Ha and make sure he
 sends Gary all the money back plus the cost of shipping those bogus
 rocks back to Morocco. We are not stupid people in North America and
 we were not born yesterday and i believe i speak for everybody when i
 say we want to see Gary get his money back. Find a way to make it
 happen, end of story.

 Daniel Furlan
 collector and dealer
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Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

[Yinan Wang]

I usually have a non-payer in about 1 out of every 250 sales. It's
almost always someone who's new or has a very low number. I'd have to
assume its someone who doesn't know how it all works, or is a kid, or
occasionally its someone who initially was alright but had an
unfortunate accident or such.

Here's a famous example. a 5 year old uses buy-it-now to win a $1
million Transformers collection:
http://www.pr-inside.com/year-old-canadian-boy-buys-million-r187248.htm

I did see someone bid crazy for a short period of time in the fossil
section of ebay a year or two ago, but based on their bidding pattern
of big dinosaur fossils, fake fossils, and toys, I assumed it was a
kid discovering his parent's ebay account.

I don't think Tri-ball is ebay itself That would be considered
shill bidding and is illegal in most states.

-YvW




On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:49 AM,  valpar...@aol.com wrote:
 Creep!

 It brings up the question - how frequently do Ebay sales fall through? I've 
 sold a fair amount of non-meteorite things on Ebay and everyone paid. Anybody 
 have any intel on this?

 cheers

 Paul Swartz

 He bid up so many of my items that I thought the meteorite
 market was recovering nicely. Now, that I have spent many hours opening 23
 separate cases against him and undoing the damage, I see that the market is
 about the same. It is amazing what kind of chaos a single bidder can cause.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

[Mirko Graul]

Hi,

Today, our friend (tri-ball34) more shopped diligently.
Now, two sales of Robert Ward are concerned.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=170579925662si=X5WAVEy1HwhgZ2j34Urg68r6Czo%253Dviewitem=

and 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=170579917626si=X5WAVEy1HwhgZ2j34Urg68r6Czo%253Dviewitem=

Robert,blocking this guy!
Before he sabotaged more offers from you.

Best regards, Mirko



Mirko Graul Meteorite 
Quittenring.4 
16321 Bernau 
GERMANY 

Phone: 0049-1724105015 
E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de 
WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de 

Member of The Meteoritical Society 
(International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) 

IMCA-Member: 2113 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association)


--- Yinan Wang veom...@gmail.com schrieb am Mo, 20.12.2010:

 Von: Yinan Wang veom...@gmail.com
 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34
 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Datum: Montag, 20. Dezember, 2010 18:10 Uhr
 I usually have a non-payer in about 1
 out of every 250 sales. It's
 almost always someone who's new or has a very low number.
 I'd have to
 assume its someone who doesn't know how it all works, or is
 a kid, or
 occasionally its someone who initially was alright but had
 an
 unfortunate accident or such.
 
 Here's a famous example. a 5 year old uses buy-it-now to
 win a $1
 million Transformers collection:
 http://www.pr-inside.com/year-old-canadian-boy-buys-million-r187248.htm
 
 I did see someone bid crazy for a short period of time in
 the fossil
 section of ebay a year or two ago, but based on their
 bidding pattern
 of big dinosaur fossils, fake fossils, and toys, I assumed
 it was a
 kid discovering his parent's ebay account.
 
 I don't think Tri-ball is ebay itself That would be
 considered
 shill bidding and is illegal in most states.
 
 -YvW
 
 
 
 
 On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:49 AM,  valpar...@aol.com
 wrote:
  Creep!
 
  It brings up the question - how frequently do Ebay
 sales fall through? I've sold a fair amount of non-meteorite
 things on Ebay and everyone paid. Anybody have any intel on
 this?
 
  cheers
 
  Paul Swartz
 
  He bid up so many of my items that I thought the
 meteorite
  market was recovering nicely. Now, that I have
 spent many hours opening 23
  separate cases against him and undoing the damage,
 I see that the market is
  about the same. It is amazing what kind of chaos a
 single bidder can cause.
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

[Richard Montgomery]

Once I sold a small Sikhote Alin shrapnel specimen for $24/gram...ahem, I 
almost choked;  two separate entities bidding it up and up (it was a nice 
20cents/gram piece...and it was Ebay that pulled it.  I'm not sure how they 
figured it out.  (No, I wasn't going to accept that kind of payment anyway!)



- Original Message - 
From: Yinan Wang veom...@gmail.com

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34



I usually have a non-payer in about 1 out of every 250 sales. It's
almost always someone who's new or has a very low number. I'd have to
assume its someone who doesn't know how it all works, or is a kid, or
occasionally its someone who initially was alright but had an
unfortunate accident or such.

Here's a famous example. a 5 year old uses buy-it-now to win a $1
million Transformers collection:
http://www.pr-inside.com/year-old-canadian-boy-buys-million-r187248.htm

I did see someone bid crazy for a short period of time in the fossil
section of ebay a year or two ago, but based on their bidding pattern
of big dinosaur fossils, fake fossils, and toys, I assumed it was a
kid discovering his parent's ebay account.

I don't think Tri-ball is ebay itself That would be considered
shill bidding and is illegal in most states.

-YvW




On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:49 AM,  valpar...@aol.com wrote:

Creep!

It brings up the question - how frequently do Ebay sales fall through? 
I've sold a fair amount of non-meteorite things on Ebay and everyone 
paid. Anybody have any intel on this?


cheers

Paul Swartz


He bid up so many of my items that I thought the meteorite
market was recovering nicely. Now, that I have spent many hours opening 
23
separate cases against him and undoing the damage, I see that the market 
is
about the same. It is amazing what kind of chaos a single bidder can 
cause.



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Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

[Dennis Miller]

If any of you sellers are subscribing to some sort of reverse email look-up, 
this
guy is probably dumb enough to use his email name on ebay. Might try,
tri-bal...@hotmail.com or one of the other links. Might get lucky in narrowing
down where this schmuck is located.
Dennis Miller
 


 From: rickm...@earthlink.net
 To: veom...@gmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 12:40:37 -0800
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34
 
 Once I sold a small Sikhote Alin shrapnel specimen for $24/gram...ahem, I 
 almost choked; two separate entities bidding it up and up (it was a nice 
 20cents/gram piece...and it was Ebay that pulled it. I'm not sure how they 
 figured it out. (No, I wasn't going to accept that kind of payment anyway!)
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Yinan Wang veom...@gmail.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 9:10 AM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34
 
 
 I usually have a non-payer in about 1 out of every 250 sales. It's
  almost always someone who's new or has a very low number. I'd have to
  assume its someone who doesn't know how it all works, or is a kid, or
  occasionally its someone who initially was alright but had an
  unfortunate accident or such.
 
  Here's a famous example. a 5 year old uses buy-it-now to win a $1
  million Transformers collection:
  http://www.pr-inside.com/year-old-canadian-boy-buys-million-r187248.htm
 
  I did see someone bid crazy for a short period of time in the fossil
  section of ebay a year or two ago, but based on their bidding pattern
  of big dinosaur fossils, fake fossils, and toys, I assumed it was a
  kid discovering his parent's ebay account.
 
  I don't think Tri-ball is ebay itself That would be considered
  shill bidding and is illegal in most states.
 
  -YvW
 
 
 
 
  On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:49 AM, valpar...@aol.com wrote:
  Creep!
 
  It brings up the question - how frequently do Ebay sales fall through? 
  I've sold a fair amount of non-meteorite things on Ebay and everyone 
  paid. Anybody have any intel on this?
 
  cheers
 
  Paul Swartz
 
  He bid up so many of my items that I thought the meteorite
  market was recovering nicely. Now, that I have spent many hours opening 
  23
  separate cases against him and undoing the damage, I see that the market 
  is
  about the same. It is amazing what kind of chaos a single bidder can 
  cause.
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

[Stuart McDaniel]

Why don't you block him from bidding??


-Original Message- 
From: Adam Hupe

Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 4:30 PM
To: Adam
Subject: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

Yes, This guy  ( tri-ball34 ) won quantity 23 items from me valued into 
the
thousands and will not pay for them. This is one of the reasons eBay can be 
so
frustrating and I am trying to ween myself off of it. This kind of person 
not
only hurts sellers, he hurts the buyers by bidding up items he has no 
intention

of paying for.  He bid up so many of my items that I thought the meteorite
market was recovering nicely. Now, that I have spent many hours opening 23
separate cases against him and undoing the damage, I see that the market is
about the same.  It is amazing what kind of chaos a single bidder can cause.

Best Regards,

Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

[Mirko Graul]

Hi Adam,

yes for the full-time seller it is a big problem.
It costs time and money.
 but I see I am not alone in this problem.

Best regards, Mirko



Mirko Graul Meteorite 
Quittenring.4 
16321 Bernau 
GERMANY 

Phone: 0049-1724105015 
E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de 
WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de 

Member of The Meteoritical Society 
(International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) 

IMCA-Member: 2113 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association)


--- Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com schrieb am So, 19.12.2010:

 Von: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com
 Betreff: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34
 An: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Datum: Sonntag, 19. Dezember, 2010 22:30 Uhr
 Yes, This guy  ( tri-ball34 )
 won quantity 23 items from me valued into the 
 thousands and will not pay for them. This is one of the
 reasons eBay can be so 
 frustrating and I am trying to ween myself off of it. This
 kind of person not 
 only hurts sellers, he hurts the buyers by bidding up items
 he has no intention 
 of paying for.  He bid up so many of my items that I
 thought the meteorite 
 market was recovering nicely. Now, that I have spent many
 hours opening 23 
 separate cases against him and undoing the damage, I see
 that the market is 
 about the same.  It is amazing what kind of chaos a
 single bidder can cause.
 
 Best Regards,
 
 Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

[Adam Hupe]

You bet I blocked this person the minute I found out what kind human trash I 
was 
dealing with.  My block list is almost as long as my customer list. EBay is 
supposed to fun and I try to keep it as positive as possible by not dealing 
with 
this type for fecal matter.

Best regards,

Adam




- Original Message 
From: Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com
To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 1:34:53 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

Why don't you block him from bidding??
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Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

[michael cottingham]

Hello,
He is a scum bag. Block him, report him and do whatever you can... he cost me 
$500.00. The auctions can be relisted...it is the TIME these people steal that 
can not be recovered.
Best Wishes
Michael Cottingham


 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:41:46 +
 From: m_gr...@yahoo.de
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; raremeteori...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

 Hi Adam,

 yes for the full-time seller it is a big problem.
 It costs time and money.
  but I see I am not alone in this problem.

 Best regards, Mirko



 Mirko Graul Meteorite
 Quittenring.4
 16321 Bernau
 GERMANY

 Phone: 0049-1724105015
 E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de
 WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de

 Member of The Meteoritical Society
 (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science)

 IMCA-Member: 2113
 (International Meteorite Collectors Association)


 --- Adam Hupe  schrieb am So, 19.12.2010:

  Von: Adam Hupe 
  Betreff: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34
  An: Adam 
  Datum: Sonntag, 19. Dezember, 2010 22:30 Uhr
  Yes, This guy  ( tri-ball34 )
  won quantity 23 items from me valued into the
  thousands and will not pay for them. This is one of the
  reasons eBay can be so
  frustrating and I am trying to ween myself off of it. This
  kind of person not
  only hurts sellers, he hurts the buyers by bidding up items
  he has no intention
  of paying for.  He bid up so many of my items that I
  thought the meteorite
  market was recovering nicely. Now, that I have spent many
  hours opening 23
  separate cases against him and undoing the damage, I see
  that the market is
  about the same.  It is amazing what kind of chaos a
  single bidder can cause.
 
  Best Regards,
 
  Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

[Stuart McDaniel]

It looks like eBay would suspend his account with all the complaints against 
him. They don't think twice about if for suspending sellers if they do 
something minutely wrong.


-Original Message- 
From: Adam Hupe

Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 4:45 PM
To: Adam
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

You bet I blocked this person the minute I found out what kind human trash I 
was

dealing with.  My block list is almost as long as my customer list. EBay is
supposed to fun and I try to keep it as positive as possible by not dealing 
with

this type for fecal matter.

Best regards,

Adam




- Original Message 
From: Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com
To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 1:34:53 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

Why don't you block him from bidding??
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Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

[Stuart McDaniel]

Negative feedback also!!

-Original Message- 
From: michael cottingham

Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 4:46 PM
To: m_gr...@yahoo.de ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; 
raremeteori...@yahoo.com

Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34


Hello,
He is a scum bag. Block him, report him and do whatever you can... he cost 
me $500.00. The auctions can be relisted...it is the TIME these people steal 
that can not be recovered.

Best Wishes
Michael Cottingham



Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:41:46 +
From: m_gr...@yahoo.de
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; raremeteori...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

Hi Adam,

yes for the full-time seller it is a big problem.
It costs time and money.
 but I see I am not alone in this problem.

Best regards, Mirko



Mirko Graul Meteorite
Quittenring.4
16321 Bernau
GERMANY

Phone: 0049-1724105015
E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de
WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de

Member of The Meteoritical Society
(International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science)

IMCA-Member: 2113
(International Meteorite Collectors Association)


--- Adam Hupe  schrieb am So, 19.12.2010:

 Von: Adam Hupe
 Betreff: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34
 An: Adam
 Datum: Sonntag, 19. Dezember, 2010 22:30 Uhr
 Yes, This guy  ( tri-ball34 )
 won quantity 23 items from me valued into the
 thousands and will not pay for them. This is one of the
 reasons eBay can be so
 frustrating and I am trying to ween myself off of it. This
 kind of person not
 only hurts sellers, he hurts the buyers by bidding up items
 he has no intention
 of paying for.  He bid up so many of my items that I
 thought the meteorite
 market was recovering nicely. Now, that I have spent many
 hours opening 23
 separate cases against him and undoing the damage, I see
 that the market is
 about the same.  It is amazing what kind of chaos a
 single bidder can cause.

 Best Regards,

 Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

[Mirko Graul]

Hi Adam,

this person has won in the last 30 days 173 auctions at many different sellers.
The total amount of purchases in last 30 days amounts to nearly $9000
No big deal to be able to do this  if he does not intend to pay!

Best regards, Mirko



Mirko Graul Meteorite 
Quittenring.4 
16321 Bernau 
GERMANY 

Phone: 0049-1724105015 
E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de 
WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de 

Member of The Meteoritical Society 
(International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) 

IMCA-Member: 2113 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association)


--- Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com schrieb am So, 19.12.2010:

 Von: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com
 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34
 An: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Datum: Sonntag, 19. Dezember, 2010 22:45 Uhr
 You bet I blocked this person the
 minute I found out what kind human trash I was 
 dealing with.  My block list is almost as long as my
 customer list. EBay is 
 supposed to fun and I try to keep it as positive as
 possible by not dealing with 
 this type for fecal matter.
 
 Best regards,
 
 Adam
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com
 To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com;
 Adam 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 1:34:53 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34
 
 Why don't you block him from bidding??
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Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

[Mirko Graul]

Sellers can not give negative feedbacks.
 ... unfortunately ... I would have done in this case

Best regards, Mirko



Mirko Graul Meteorite 
Quittenring.4 
16321 Bernau 
GERMANY 

Phone: 0049-1724105015 
E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de 
WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de 

Member of The Meteoritical Society 
(International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) 

IMCA-Member: 2113 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association)


--- Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com schrieb am So, 19.12.2010:

 Von: Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com
 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34
 An: michael cottingham voyagebotan...@hotmail.com, m_gr...@yahoo.de, 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, raremeteori...@yahoo.com
 Datum: Sonntag, 19. Dezember, 2010 22:50 Uhr
 Negative feedback also!!
 
 -Original Message- 
 From: michael cottingham
 Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 4:46 PM
 To: m_gr...@yahoo.de
 ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 ; 
 raremeteori...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34
 
 
 Hello,
 He is a scum bag. Block him, report him and do whatever you
 can... he cost 
 me $500.00. The auctions can be relisted...it is the TIME
 these people steal 
 that can not be recovered.
 Best Wishes
 Michael Cottingham
 
 
  Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:41:46 +
  From: m_gr...@yahoo.de
  To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;
 raremeteori...@yahoo.com
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning
 tri-ball34
 
  Hi Adam,
 
  yes for the full-time seller it is a big problem.
  It costs time and money.
   but I see I am not alone in this problem.
 
  Best regards, Mirko
 
 
 
  Mirko Graul Meteorite
  Quittenring.4
  16321 Bernau
  GERMANY
 
  Phone: 0049-1724105015
  E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de
  WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de
 
  Member of The Meteoritical Society
  (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery
 Science)
 
  IMCA-Member: 2113
  (International Meteorite Collectors Association)
 
 
  --- Adam Hupe  schrieb am So, 19.12.2010:
 
   Von: Adam Hupe
   Betreff: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning
 tri-ball34
   An: Adam
   Datum: Sonntag, 19. Dezember, 2010 22:30 Uhr
   Yes, This guy  ( tri-ball34 )
   won quantity 23 items from me valued into the
   thousands and will not pay for them. This is one
 of the
   reasons eBay can be so
   frustrating and I am trying to ween myself off of
 it. This
   kind of person not
   only hurts sellers, he hurts the buyers by
 bidding up items
   he has no intention
   of paying for.  He bid up so many of my
 items that I
   thought the meteorite
   market was recovering nicely. Now, that I have
 spent many
   hours opening 23
   separate cases against him and undoing the
 damage, I see
   that the market is
   about the same.  It is amazing what kind of
 chaos a
   single bidder can cause.
  
   Best Regards,
  
   Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

[Stuart McDaniel]

Oh yeah I forgot about that which I don't agree with either.

-Original Message- 
From: Mirko Graul

Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 4:59 PM
To: michael cottingham ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; 
raremeteori...@yahoo.com ; Stuart McDaniel

Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

Sellers can not give negative feedbacks.
... unfortunately ... I would have done in this case

Best regards, Mirko



Mirko Graul Meteorite
Quittenring.4
16321 Bernau
GERMANY

Phone: 0049-1724105015
E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de
WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de

Member of The Meteoritical Society
(International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science)

IMCA-Member: 2113
(International Meteorite Collectors Association)


--- Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com schrieb am So, 
19.12.2010:



Von: Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34
An: michael cottingham voyagebotan...@hotmail.com, m_gr...@yahoo.de, 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, raremeteori...@yahoo.com

Datum: Sonntag, 19. Dezember, 2010 22:50 Uhr
Negative feedback also!!

-Original Message- 
From: michael cottingham

Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 4:46 PM
To: m_gr...@yahoo.de
; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
;
raremeteori...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34


Hello,
He is a scum bag. Block him, report him and do whatever you
can... he cost
me $500.00. The auctions can be relisted...it is the TIME
these people steal
that can not be recovered.
Best Wishes
Michael Cottingham


 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:41:46 +
 From: m_gr...@yahoo.de
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;
raremeteori...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning
tri-ball34

 Hi Adam,

 yes for the full-time seller it is a big problem.
 It costs time and money.
  but I see I am not alone in this problem.

 Best regards, Mirko



 Mirko Graul Meteorite
 Quittenring.4
 16321 Bernau
 GERMANY

 Phone: 0049-1724105015
 E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de
 WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de

 Member of The Meteoritical Society
 (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery
Science)

 IMCA-Member: 2113
 (International Meteorite Collectors Association)


 --- Adam Hupe  schrieb am So, 19.12.2010:

  Von: Adam Hupe
  Betreff: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning
tri-ball34
  An: Adam
  Datum: Sonntag, 19. Dezember, 2010 22:30 Uhr
  Yes, This guy  ( tri-ball34 )
  won quantity 23 items from me valued into the
  thousands and will not pay for them. This is one
of the
  reasons eBay can be so
  frustrating and I am trying to ween myself off of
it. This
  kind of person not
  only hurts sellers, he hurts the buyers by
bidding up items
  he has no intention
  of paying for.  He bid up so many of my
items that I
  thought the meteorite
  market was recovering nicely. Now, that I have
spent many
  hours opening 23
  separate cases against him and undoing the
damage, I see
  that the market is
  about the same.  It is amazing what kind of
chaos a
  single bidder can cause.
 
  Best Regards,
 
  Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

[Michael Gilmer]

Besides blocking this clown, one can protect Buy It Now listings by
requiring immediate payment.  At least this way, someone can't win
the item, end the listing, and then not pay.  With an auction though,
the only recourse is to block the bidder.

I had a few problems with bidders like that when I was still selling
on eBay.  It's especially frustrating because you end up being charged
for the listing fee and the final value fee, but no payment.  You
can't get the fees back until you invest more time (i.e. money) to
file reports and complaints.  It's a major PITA and part of the reason
I quit selling there.

But I must say, the problems I had were relatively minor and few
compared to this tri-ball clown.  I'm glad he never hit me like
that.  In most cases, I'd finally get paid, after weeks of emails and
finally filing a complaint.  Once the unpaid item case is filed, most
AWOL buyers who still care about their eBay accounts will usually pay.
 If you still don't hear from them after filing the complaint, then
block them with prejudice.

Another thing that is good is posting the offender's eBay handle here
so the other eBay sellers can be forewarned.  It is obvious that this
person is a chronic offender who is not going to stop their behavior.

Best regards,

MikeG

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On 12/19/10, Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de wrote:
 Sellers can not give negative feedbacks.
  ... unfortunately ... I would have done in this case

 Best regards, Mirko



 Mirko Graul Meteorite
 Quittenring.4
 16321 Bernau
 GERMANY

 Phone: 0049-1724105015
 E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de
 WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de

 Member of The Meteoritical Society
 (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science)

 IMCA-Member: 2113
 (International Meteorite Collectors Association)


 --- Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com schrieb am So,
 19.12.2010:

 Von: Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com
 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34
 An: michael cottingham voyagebotan...@hotmail.com, m_gr...@yahoo.de,
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, raremeteori...@yahoo.com
 Datum: Sonntag, 19. Dezember, 2010 22:50 Uhr
 Negative feedback also!!

 -Original Message-
 From: michael cottingham
 Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 4:46 PM
 To: m_gr...@yahoo.de
 ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 ;
 raremeteori...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34


 Hello,
 He is a scum bag. Block him, report him and do whatever you
 can... he cost
 me $500.00. The auctions can be relisted...it is the TIME
 these people steal
 that can not be recovered.
 Best Wishes
 Michael Cottingham

 
  Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:41:46 +
  From: m_gr...@yahoo.de
  To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;
 raremeteori...@yahoo.com
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning
 tri-ball34
 
  Hi Adam,
 
  yes for the full-time seller it is a big problem.
  It costs time and money.
   but I see I am not alone in this problem.
 
  Best regards, Mirko
 
 
 
  Mirko Graul Meteorite
  Quittenring.4
  16321 Bernau
  GERMANY
 
  Phone: 0049-1724105015
  E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de
  WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de
 
  Member of The Meteoritical Society
  (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery
 Science)
 
  IMCA-Member: 2113
  (International Meteorite Collectors Association)
 
 
  --- Adam Hupe  schrieb am So, 19.12.2010:
 
   Von: Adam Hupe
   Betreff: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning
 tri-ball34
   An: Adam
   Datum: Sonntag, 19. Dezember, 2010 22:30 Uhr
   Yes, This guy  ( tri-ball34 )
   won quantity 23 items from me valued into the
   thousands and will not pay for them. This is one
 of the
   reasons eBay can be so
   frustrating and I am trying to ween myself off of
 it. This
   kind of person not
   only hurts sellers, he hurts the buyers by
 bidding up items
   he has no intention
   of paying for.  He bid up so many of my
 items that I
   thought the meteorite
   market was recovering nicely. Now, that I have
 spent many
   hours opening 23
   separate cases against him and undoing the
 damage, I see
   that the market is
   about the same.  It is amazing what kind of
 chaos a
   single bidder can cause.
  
   Best Regards,
  
   Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

[Mirko Graul]

Hi Mike,

yes, I know.
But the shipping from Germany to the United States is very expensive.
And so do some of the buyers a few days to collect pieces.
That is absolutely ok.
Fortunately, I've blocked him early.
My auctions end almost every day.
One would not imagine that this person wins all the auctions of a full week.
... then good night Marie...

Best regards, Mirko



Mirko Graul Meteorite 
Quittenring.4 
16321 Bernau 
GERMANY 

Phone: 0049-1724105015 
E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de 
WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de 

Member of The Meteoritical Society 
(International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) 

IMCA-Member: 2113 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association)


--- Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com schrieb am So, 19.12.2010:

 Von: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com
 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34
 An: Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de
 CC: michael cottingham voyagebotan...@hotmail.com, 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, raremeteori...@yahoo.com, Stuart 
 McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com
 Datum: Sonntag, 19. Dezember, 2010 23:09 Uhr
 Besides blocking this clown, one can
 protect Buy It Now listings by
 requiring immediate payment.  At least this way,
 someone can't win
 the item, end the listing, and then not pay.  With an
 auction though,
 the only recourse is to block the bidder.
 
 I had a few problems with bidders like that when I was
 still selling
 on eBay.  It's especially frustrating because you end
 up being charged
 for the listing fee and the final value fee, but no
 payment.  You
 can't get the fees back until you invest more time (i.e.
 money) to
 file reports and complaints.  It's a major PITA and
 part of the reason
 I quit selling there.
 
 But I must say, the problems I had were relatively minor
 and few
 compared to this tri-ball clown.  I'm glad he never
 hit me like
 that.  In most cases, I'd finally get paid, after
 weeks of emails and
 finally filing a complaint.  Once the unpaid item case
 is filed, most
 AWOL buyers who still care about their eBay accounts will
 usually pay.
  If you still don't hear from them after filing the
 complaint, then
 block them with prejudice.
 
 Another thing that is good is posting the offender's eBay
 handle here
 so the other eBay sellers can be forewarned.  It is
 obvious that this
 person is a chronic offender who is not going to stop their
 behavior.
 
 Best regards,
 
 MikeG
 
 --
 Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone  Ironworks Meteorites
 
 Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
 Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone
 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516
 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone
 Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com
 EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564
 ---
 
 On 12/19/10, Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de
 wrote:
  Sellers can not give negative feedbacks.
   ... unfortunately ... I would have done in this
 case
 
  Best regards, Mirko
 
 
 
  Mirko Graul Meteorite
  Quittenring.4
  16321 Bernau
  GERMANY
 
  Phone: 0049-1724105015
  E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de
  WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de
 
  Member of The Meteoritical Society
  (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery
 Science)
 
  IMCA-Member: 2113
  (International Meteorite Collectors Association)
 
 
  --- Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com
 schrieb am So,
  19.12.2010:
 
  Von: Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com
  Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning
 tri-ball34
  An: michael cottingham voyagebotan...@hotmail.com,
 m_gr...@yahoo.de,
  meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com,
 raremeteori...@yahoo.com
  Datum: Sonntag, 19. Dezember, 2010 22:50 Uhr
  Negative feedback also!!
 
  -Original Message-
  From: michael cottingham
  Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 4:46 PM
  To: m_gr...@yahoo.de
  ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  ;
  raremeteori...@yahoo.com
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning
 tri-ball34
 
 
  Hello,
  He is a scum bag. Block him, report him and do
 whatever you
  can... he cost
  me $500.00. The auctions can be relisted...it is
 the TIME
  these people steal
  that can not be recovered.
  Best Wishes
  Michael Cottingham
 
  
   Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:41:46 +
   From: m_gr...@yahoo.de
   To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;
  raremeteori...@yahoo.com
   Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning,
 Warning
  tri-ball34
  
   Hi Adam,
  
   yes for the full-time seller it is a big
 problem.
   It costs time and money.
    but I see I am not alone in this
 problem.
  
   Best regards, Mirko
  
  
  
   Mirko Graul Meteorite
   Quittenring.4
   16321 Bernau
   GERMANY
  
   Phone: 0049-1724105015
   E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de
   WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de
  
   Member of The Meteoritical

Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

[Gary Fujihara]

To see the kind of damage this guy has done, follow this link to see all of the 
auctions tri-ball34 has won over the past 30 days:

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidItemsuserid=tri-ball34completed=1all=1rows=50sort=1_rdc=1

Those sellers on the list have to report him to ebay, and together we may get 
his account revoked and your listing fees refunded.  

gary

On Dec 19, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Mirko Graul wrote:

 Hi Mike,
 
 yes, I know.
 But the shipping from Germany to the United States is very expensive.
 And so do some of the buyers a few days to collect pieces.
 That is absolutely ok.
 Fortunately, I've blocked him early.
 My auctions end almost every day.
 One would not imagine that this person wins all the auctions of a full week.
 ... then good night Marie...
 
 Best regards, Mirko
 
 
 
 Mirko Graul Meteorite 
 Quittenring.4 
 16321 Bernau 
 GERMANY 
 
 Phone: 0049-1724105015 
 E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de 
 WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de 
 
 Member of The Meteoritical Society 
 (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) 
 
 IMCA-Member: 2113 
 (International Meteorite Collectors Association)
 
 
 --- Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com schrieb am So, 19.12.2010:
 
 Von: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com
 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34
 An: Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de
 CC: michael cottingham voyagebotan...@hotmail.com, 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, raremeteori...@yahoo.com, Stuart 
 McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com
 Datum: Sonntag, 19. Dezember, 2010 23:09 Uhr
 Besides blocking this clown, one can
 protect Buy It Now listings by
 requiring immediate payment.  At least this way,
 someone can't win
 the item, end the listing, and then not pay.  With an
 auction though,
 the only recourse is to block the bidder.
 
 I had a few problems with bidders like that when I was
 still selling
 on eBay.  It's especially frustrating because you end
 up being charged
 for the listing fee and the final value fee, but no
 payment.  You
 can't get the fees back until you invest more time (i.e.
 money) to
 file reports and complaints.  It's a major PITA and
 part of the reason
 I quit selling there.
 
 But I must say, the problems I had were relatively minor
 and few
 compared to this tri-ball clown.  I'm glad he never
 hit me like
 that.  In most cases, I'd finally get paid, after
 weeks of emails and
 finally filing a complaint.  Once the unpaid item case
 is filed, most
 AWOL buyers who still care about their eBay accounts will
 usually pay.
 If you still don't hear from them after filing the
 complaint, then
 block them with prejudice.
 
 Another thing that is good is posting the offender's eBay
 handle here
 so the other eBay sellers can be forewarned.  It is
 obvious that this
 person is a chronic offender who is not going to stop their
 behavior.
 
 Best regards,
 
 MikeG
 
 --
 Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone  Ironworks Meteorites
 
 Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
 Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone
 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516
 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone
 Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com
 EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564
 ---
 
 On 12/19/10, Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de
 wrote:
 Sellers can not give negative feedbacks.
   ... unfortunately ... I would have done in this
 case
 
 Best regards, Mirko
 
 
 
 Mirko Graul Meteorite
 Quittenring.4
 16321 Bernau
 GERMANY
 
 Phone: 0049-1724105015
 E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de
 WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de
 
 Member of The Meteoritical Society
 (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery
 Science)
 
 IMCA-Member: 2113
 (International Meteorite Collectors Association)
 
 
 --- Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com
 schrieb am So,
 19.12.2010:
 
 Von: Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com
 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning
 tri-ball34
 An: michael cottingham voyagebotan...@hotmail.com,
 m_gr...@yahoo.de,
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com,
 raremeteori...@yahoo.com
 Datum: Sonntag, 19. Dezember, 2010 22:50 Uhr
 Negative feedback also!!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: michael cottingham
 Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 4:46 PM
 To: m_gr...@yahoo.de
 ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 ;
 raremeteori...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning
 tri-ball34
 
 
 Hello,
 He is a scum bag. Block him, report him and do
 whatever you
 can... he cost
 me $500.00. The auctions can be relisted...it is
 the TIME
 these people steal
 that can not be recovered.
 Best Wishes
 Michael Cottingham
 
 
 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:41:46 +
 From: m_gr...@yahoo.de
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;
 raremeteori...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list

Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

[Mirko Graul]

Hi Gary,

wow.a new piece on the list.
Our all friend have won just in this moment a expensive Seymchan slice.
...bad for the seller.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=260705850283si=X5WAVEy1HwhgZ2j34Urg68r6Czo%253Dviewitem=
 

Best regards Mirko   

Mirko Graul Meteorite 
Quittenring.4 
16321 Bernau 
GERMANY 

Phone: 0049-1724105015 
E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de 
WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de 

Member of The Meteoritical Society 
(International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) 

IMCA-Member: 2113 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association)


--- Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com schrieb am So, 19.12.2010:

 Von: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com
 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34
 An: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 CC: i...@imcamail.de
 Datum: Sonntag, 19. Dezember, 2010 23:46 Uhr
 To see the kind of damage this guy
 has done, follow this link to see all of the auctions
 tri-ball34 has won over the past 30 days:
 
 http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidItemsuserid=tri-ball34completed=1all=1rows=50sort=1_rdc=1
 
 Those sellers on the list have to report him to ebay, and
 together we may get his account revoked and your listing
 fees refunded.  
 
 gary
 
 On Dec 19, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Mirko Graul wrote:
 
  Hi Mike,
  
  yes, I know.
  But the shipping from Germany to the United States is
 very expensive.
  And so do some of the buyers a few days to collect
 pieces.
  That is absolutely ok.
  Fortunately, I've blocked him early.
  My auctions end almost every day.
  One would not imagine that this person wins all the
 auctions of a full week.
  ... then good night Marie...
  
  Best regards, Mirko
  
  
  
  Mirko Graul Meteorite 
  Quittenring.4 
  16321 Bernau 
  GERMANY 
  
  Phone: 0049-1724105015 
  E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de
 
  WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de 
  
  Member of The Meteoritical Society 
  (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery
 Science) 
  
  IMCA-Member: 2113 
  (International Meteorite Collectors Association)
  
  
  --- Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com
 schrieb am So, 19.12.2010:
  
  Von: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com
  Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning
 tri-ball34
  An: Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de
  CC: michael cottingham voyagebotan...@hotmail.com,
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com,
 raremeteori...@yahoo.com,
 Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com
  Datum: Sonntag, 19. Dezember, 2010 23:09 Uhr
  Besides blocking this clown, one can
  protect Buy It Now listings by
  requiring immediate payment.  At least this
 way,
  someone can't win
  the item, end the listing, and then not pay. 
 With an
  auction though,
  the only recourse is to block the bidder.
  
  I had a few problems with bidders like that when I
 was
  still selling
  on eBay.  It's especially frustrating because
 you end
  up being charged
  for the listing fee and the final value fee, but
 no
  payment.  You
  can't get the fees back until you invest more time
 (i.e.
  money) to
  file reports and complaints.  It's a major
 PITA and
  part of the reason
  I quit selling there.
  
  But I must say, the problems I had were relatively
 minor
  and few
  compared to this tri-ball clown.  I'm glad
 he never
  hit me like
  that.  In most cases, I'd finally get paid,
 after
  weeks of emails and
  finally filing a complaint.  Once the unpaid
 item case
  is filed, most
  AWOL buyers who still care about their eBay
 accounts will
  usually pay.
  If you still don't hear from them after filing
 the
  complaint, then
  block them with prejudice.
  
  Another thing that is good is posting the
 offender's eBay
  handle here
  so the other eBay sellers can be forewarned. 
 It is
  obvious that this
  person is a chronic offender who is not going to
 stop their
  behavior.
  
  Best regards,
  
  MikeG
  
 
 --
  Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone  Ironworks
 Meteorites
  
  Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
  Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone
  News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516
  Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone
  Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com
  EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564
 
 ---
  
  On 12/19/10, Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de
  wrote:
  Sellers can not give negative feedbacks.
    ... unfortunately ... I would
 have done in this
  case
  
  Best regards, Mirko
  
  
  
  Mirko Graul Meteorite
  Quittenring.4
  16321 Bernau
  GERMANY
  
  Phone: 0049-1724105015
  E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de
  WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de
  
  Member of The Meteoritical Society
  (International Society for Meteoritics and
 Planetery
  Science)
  
  IMCA-Member: 2113
  (International Meteorite Collectors
 Association)
  
  
  --- Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com

Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

[Mirko Graul]

And now he have won also a slice by cometshop:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=360327984789si=X5WAVEy1HwhgZ2j34Urg68r6Czo%253Dviewitem=

and a piece of Sylacauga:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=260707431225si=X5WAVEy1HwhgZ2j34Urg68r6Czo%253Dviewitem=


It is interesting to see 

Best Regards Mirko


Mirko Graul Meteorite 
Quittenring.4 
16321 Bernau 
GERMANY 

Phone: 0049-1724105015 
E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de 
WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de 

Member of The Meteoritical Society 
(International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) 

IMCA-Member: 2113 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association)


--- Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de schrieb am So, 19.12.2010:

 Von: Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de
 Betreff: Re: [IMCA] [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34
 An: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Gary Fujihara 
 fuj...@mac.com
 CC: i...@imcamail.de
 Datum: Sonntag, 19. Dezember, 2010 23:55 Uhr
 Hi Gary,
 
 wow.a new piece on the list.
 Our all friend have won just in this moment a expensive
 Seymchan slice.
 ...bad for the seller.
 
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=260705850283si=X5WAVEy1HwhgZ2j34Urg68r6Czo%253Dviewitem=
 
 
 Best regards Mirko   
 
 Mirko Graul Meteorite 
 Quittenring.4 
 16321 Bernau 
 GERMANY 
 
 Phone: 0049-1724105015 
 E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de
 
 WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de 
 
 Member of The Meteoritical Society 
 (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery
 Science) 
 
 IMCA-Member: 2113 
 (International Meteorite Collectors Association)
 
 
 --- Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com
 schrieb am So, 19.12.2010:
 
  Von: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com
  Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning
 tri-ball34
  An: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  CC: i...@imcamail.de
  Datum: Sonntag, 19. Dezember, 2010 23:46 Uhr
  To see the kind of damage this guy
  has done, follow this link to see all of the auctions
  tri-ball34 has won over the past 30 days:
  
  http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidItemsuserid=tri-ball34completed=1all=1rows=50sort=1_rdc=1
  
  Those sellers on the list have to report him to ebay,
 and
  together we may get his account revoked and your
 listing
  fees refunded.  
  
  gary
  
  On Dec 19, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Mirko Graul wrote:
  
   Hi Mike,
   
   yes, I know.
   But the shipping from Germany to the United
 States is
  very expensive.
   And so do some of the buyers a few days to
 collect
  pieces.
   That is absolutely ok.
   Fortunately, I've blocked him early.
   My auctions end almost every day.
   One would not imagine that this person wins all
 the
  auctions of a full week.
   ... then good night Marie...
   
   Best regards, Mirko
   
   
   
   Mirko Graul Meteorite 
   Quittenring.4 
   16321 Bernau 
   GERMANY 
   
   Phone: 0049-1724105015 
   E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de
  
   WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de 
   
   Member of The Meteoritical Society 
   (International Society for Meteoritics and
 Planetery
  Science) 
   
   IMCA-Member: 2113 
   (International Meteorite Collectors Association)
   
   
   --- Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com
  schrieb am So, 19.12.2010:
   
   Von: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com
   Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning,
 Warning
  tri-ball34
   An: Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de
   CC: michael cottingham voyagebotan...@hotmail.com,
  meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com,
  raremeteori...@yahoo.com,
  Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com
   Datum: Sonntag, 19. Dezember, 2010 23:09 Uhr
   Besides blocking this clown, one can
   protect Buy It Now listings by
   requiring immediate payment.  At least this
  way,
   someone can't win
   the item, end the listing, and then not
 pay. 
  With an
   auction though,
   the only recourse is to block the bidder.
   
   I had a few problems with bidders like that
 when I
  was
   still selling
   on eBay.  It's especially frustrating
 because
  you end
   up being charged
   for the listing fee and the final value fee,
 but
  no
   payment.  You
   can't get the fees back until you invest more
 time
  (i.e.
   money) to
   file reports and complaints.  It's a major
  PITA and
   part of the reason
   I quit selling there.
   
   But I must say, the problems I had were
 relatively
  minor
   and few
   compared to this tri-ball clown.  I'm
 glad
  he never
   hit me like
   that.  In most cases, I'd finally get paid,
  after
   weeks of emails and
   finally filing a complaint.  Once the
 unpaid
  item case
   is filed, most
   AWOL buyers who still care about their eBay
  accounts will
   usually pay.
   If you still don't hear from them after
 filing
  the
   complaint, then
   block them with prejudice.
   
   Another thing that is good is posting the
  offender's eBay
   handle here
   so the other eBay sellers can be
 forewarned. 
  It is
   obvious that this
   person is a chronic offender who is not going

Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

[Greg Catterton]

Yes, he tripled the price the Sylacauga would have sold for... 

Member Id: l***a ( 4 ) US $150.00   


Member Id: l***a ( 4 ) US $120.00   


Member Id: u***h ( 793 )   US $50.00


Greg Catterton
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
IMCA member 4682
On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites


--- On Sun, 12/19/10, Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de wrote:

 From: Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA]  Warning, Warning tri-ball34
 To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Gary Fujihara 
 fuj...@mac.com
 Cc: i...@imcamail.de
 Date: Sunday, December 19, 2010, 6:08 PM
 And now he have won also a slice by
 cometshop:
 
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=360327984789si=X5WAVEy1HwhgZ2j34Urg68r6Czo%253Dviewitem=
 
 and a piece of Sylacauga:
 
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=260707431225si=X5WAVEy1HwhgZ2j34Urg68r6Czo%253Dviewitem=
 
 
 It is interesting to see 
 
 Best Regards Mirko
     
 
 Mirko Graul Meteorite 
 Quittenring.4 
 16321 Bernau 
 GERMANY 
 
 Phone: 0049-1724105015 
 E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de
 
 WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de 
 
 Member of The Meteoritical Society 
 (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery
 Science) 
 
 IMCA-Member: 2113 
 (International Meteorite Collectors Association)
 
 
 --- Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de
 schrieb am So, 19.12.2010:
 
  Von: Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de
  Betreff: Re: [IMCA] [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning
 tri-ball34
  An: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com,
 Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com
  CC: i...@imcamail.de
  Datum: Sonntag, 19. Dezember, 2010 23:55 Uhr
  Hi Gary,
  
  wow.a new piece on the list.
  Our all friend have won just in this moment a
 expensive
  Seymchan slice.
  ...bad for the seller.
  
  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=260705850283si=X5WAVEy1HwhgZ2j34Urg68r6Czo%253Dviewitem=
  
  
  Best regards Mirko   
  
  Mirko Graul Meteorite 
  Quittenring.4 
  16321 Bernau 
  GERMANY 
  
  Phone: 0049-1724105015 
  E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de
  
  WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de 
  
  Member of The Meteoritical Society 
  (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery
  Science) 
  
  IMCA-Member: 2113 
  (International Meteorite Collectors Association)
  
  
  --- Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com
  schrieb am So, 19.12.2010:
  
   Von: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com
   Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning
  tri-ball34
   An: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
   CC: i...@imcamail.de
   Datum: Sonntag, 19. Dezember, 2010 23:46 Uhr
   To see the kind of damage this guy
   has done, follow this link to see all of the
 auctions
   tri-ball34 has won over the past 30 days:
   
   http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidItemsuserid=tri-ball34completed=1all=1rows=50sort=1_rdc=1
   
   Those sellers on the list have to report him to
 ebay,
  and
   together we may get his account revoked and your
  listing
   fees refunded.  
   
   gary
   
   On Dec 19, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Mirko Graul wrote:
   
Hi Mike,

yes, I know.
But the shipping from Germany to the United
  States is
   very expensive.
And so do some of the buyers a few days to
  collect
   pieces.
That is absolutely ok.
Fortunately, I've blocked him early.
My auctions end almost every day.
One would not imagine that this person wins
 all
  the
   auctions of a full week.
... then good night Marie...

Best regards, Mirko



Mirko Graul Meteorite 
Quittenring.4 
16321 Bernau 
GERMANY 

Phone: 0049-1724105015 
E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de
   
WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de 

Member of The Meteoritical Society 
(International Society for Meteoritics and
  Planetery
   Science) 

IMCA-Member: 2113 
(International Meteorite Collectors
 Association)


--- Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com
   schrieb am So, 19.12.2010:

Von: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning,
  Warning
   tri-ball34
An: Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de
CC: michael cottingham voyagebotan...@hotmail.com,
   meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com,
   raremeteori...@yahoo.com,
   Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com
Datum: Sonntag, 19. Dezember, 2010 23:09
 Uhr
Besides blocking this clown, one can
protect Buy It Now listings by
requiring immediate payment.  At least
 this
   way,
someone can't win
the item, end the listing, and then not
  pay. 
   With an
auction though,
the only recourse is to block the
 bidder.

I had a few problems with bidders like
 that
  when I
   was
still selling
on eBay.  It's especially frustrating
  because
   you end
up being charged
for the listing fee and the final

Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

[Chris Spratt]

Hi Listers:

I bid on a few of those items and I
did't win one. Thought the bidder had deeper pockets than myself and  
was a real avid collector with the same collecting interests as  
myself. He beat me out on a few items just recently. I thought he was  
from Europe because all of his winning bids seem to arrive overnight.


Starting to take the fun out of meteorite collecting. At least for me.

Chris. Spratt
(Via my iPhone)
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Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

[Carl 's]

Yeah, me too. Fortuneately most sellers I buy from are on this list and have 
already blocked this guy, but wonder how many auctions I won in the past were 
jacked up by him. Hurts everybody.
 
Carl2
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

[Gary Fujihara]

Aloha,

Buyers need to beware of tri-ball34 too, as he is continuing to bid up items on 
ebay even as i write this.  He has won 2 more items and his carnage amounts to 
180 items won in the last 30 days.

You can identify this person as a bidder on an item by clicking on the Bid 
History link on a listing, which will bring up a list of bids, with the bidder 
ID scrambled with asterisks.  Don Skidmore informs me that tri-ball34 is member 
ID l***a  

Buyers, if you see l***a in the bid history of an item, you'd be advised not to 
bid on the item lest you get into a bid war with him that you probably will not 
win.  And even if you do, it would be so highly inflated as to be ridiculously 
expensive.  Caveat emptor.

gary

On Dec 19, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Warren Sansoucie wrote:

 
 Hello all,
 
 The Sellers of the items will be able to report him through the resolution 
 center. I have had to do this over a different seller. eBay will revoke his 
 account once the proper channels are followed.
 
 It is sad. To me, it would seem this is someone with a desire to attack only 
 IMCA members. Does anyone know if a non-member has had this issue?
 
 Warren Sansoucie
 IMCA 3174
 St. Louis MO
 
 
 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 15:11:32 -0800
 From: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; fuj...@mac.com; m_gr...@yahoo.de
 CC: i...@imcamail.de
 Subject: Re: [IMCA] [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34
 
 Yes, he tripled the price the Sylacauga would have sold for... 
 
 Member Id: l***a ( 4 ) US $150.00 
 
 
 Member Id: l***a ( 4 ) US $120.00 
 
 
 Member Id: u***h ( 793 ) US $50.00 
 
 
 Greg Catterton
 www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
 IMCA member 4682
 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
 On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites
 
 
 --- On Sun, 12/19/10, Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de wrote:
 
 From: Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Warning, Warning tri-ball34
 To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Gary Fujihara 
 fuj...@mac.com
 Cc: i...@imcamail.de
 Date: Sunday, December 19, 2010, 6:08 PM
 And now he have won also a slice by
 cometshop:
 
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=360327984789si=X5WAVEy1HwhgZ2j34Urg68r6Czo%253Dviewitem=
 
 and a piece of Sylacauga:
 
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=260707431225si=X5WAVEy1HwhgZ2j34Urg68r6Czo%253Dviewitem=
 
 
 It is interesting to see 
 
 Best Regards Mirko
 
 
 Mirko Graul Meteorite 
 Quittenring.4 
 16321 Bernau 
 GERMANY 
 
 Phone: 0049-1724105015 
 E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de
 
 WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de 
 
 Member of The Meteoritical Society 
 (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery
 Science) 
 
 IMCA-Member: 2113 
 (International Meteorite Collectors Association)
 
 
 --- Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de
 schrieb am So, 19.12.2010:
 
 Von: Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de
 Betreff: Re: [IMCA] [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning
 tri-ball34
 An: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com,
 Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com
 CC: i...@imcamail.de
 Datum: Sonntag, 19. Dezember, 2010 23:55 Uhr
 Hi Gary,
 
 wow.a new piece on the list.
 Our all friend have won just in this moment a
 expensive
 Seymchan slice.
 ...bad for the seller.
 
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=260705850283si=X5WAVEy1HwhgZ2j34Urg68r6Czo%253Dviewitem=
 
 
 Best regards Mirko 
 
 Mirko Graul Meteorite 
 Quittenring.4 
 16321 Bernau 
 GERMANY 
 
 Phone: 0049-1724105015 
 E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de
 
 WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de 
 
 Member of The Meteoritical Society 
 (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery
 Science) 
 
 IMCA-Member: 2113 
 (International Meteorite Collectors Association)
 
 
 --- Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com
 schrieb am So, 19.12.2010:
 
 Von: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com
 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning
 tri-ball34
 An: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 CC: i...@imcamail.de
 Datum: Sonntag, 19. Dezember, 2010 23:46 Uhr
 To see the kind of damage this guy
 has done, follow this link to see all of the
 auctions
 tri-ball34 has won over the past 30 days:
 
 http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidItemsuserid=tri-ball34completed=1all=1rows=50sort=1_rdc=1
 
 Those sellers on the list have to report him to
 ebay,
 and
 together we may get his account revoked and your
 listing
 fees refunded. 
 
 gary
 
 On Dec 19, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Mirko Graul wrote:
 
 Hi Mike,
 
 yes, I know.
 But the shipping from Germany to the United
 States is
 very expensive.
 And so do some of the buyers a few days to
 collect
 pieces.
 That is absolutely ok.
 Fortunately, I've blocked him early.
 My auctions end almost every day.
 One would not imagine that this person wins
 all
 the
 auctions of a full week.
 ... then good night Marie...
 
 Best regards, Mirko
 
 
 
 Mirko Graul Meteorite 
 Quittenring.4 
 16321 Bernau 
 GERMANY 
 
 Phone: 0049

Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

[Stuart McDaniel]

I was just thinking, could this be someone named Curry?

-Original Message- 
From: Gary Fujihara

Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 7:21 PM
To: MeteorList
Cc: i...@imcamail.de
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

Aloha,

Buyers need to beware of tri-ball34 too, as he is continuing to bid up items 
on ebay even as i write this.  He has won 2 more items and his carnage 
amounts to 180 items won in the last 30 days.


You can identify this person as a bidder on an item by clicking on the Bid 
History link on a listing, which will bring up a list of bids, with the 
bidder ID scrambled with asterisks.  Don Skidmore informs me that tri-ball34 
is member ID l***a


Buyers, if you see l***a in the bid history of an item, you'd be advised not 
to bid on the item lest you get into a bid war with him that you probably 
will not win.  And even if you do, it would be so highly inflated as to be 
ridiculously expensive.  Caveat emptor.


gary

On Dec 19, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Warren Sansoucie wrote:



Hello all,

The Sellers of the items will be able to report him through the resolution 
center. I have had to do this over a different seller. eBay will revoke 
his account once the proper channels are followed.


It is sad. To me, it would seem this is someone with a desire to attack 
only IMCA members. Does anyone know if a non-member has had this issue?


Warren Sansoucie
IMCA 3174
St. Louis MO



Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 15:11:32 -0800
From: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; fuj...@mac.com; m_gr...@yahoo.de
CC: i...@imcamail.de
Subject: Re: [IMCA] [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

Yes, he tripled the price the Sylacauga would have sold for...

Member Id: l***a ( 4 ) US $150.00


Member Id: l***a ( 4 ) US $120.00


Member Id: u***h ( 793 ) US $50.00


Greg Catterton
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
IMCA member 4682
On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites


--- On Sun, 12/19/10, Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de wrote:


From: Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Warning, Warning tri-ball34
To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Gary Fujihara 
fuj...@mac.com

Cc: i...@imcamail.de
Date: Sunday, December 19, 2010, 6:08 PM
And now he have won also a slice by
cometshop:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=360327984789si=X5WAVEy1HwhgZ2j34Urg68r6Czo%253Dviewitem=

and a piece of Sylacauga:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=260707431225si=X5WAVEy1HwhgZ2j34Urg68r6Czo%253Dviewitem=


It is interesting to see 

Best Regards Mirko


Mirko Graul Meteorite
Quittenring.4
16321 Bernau
GERMANY

Phone: 0049-1724105015
E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de

WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de

Member of The Meteoritical Society
(International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery
Science)

IMCA-Member: 2113
(International Meteorite Collectors Association)


--- Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de
schrieb am So, 19.12.2010:


Von: Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de
Betreff: Re: [IMCA] [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning

tri-ball34

An: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com,

Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com

CC: i...@imcamail.de
Datum: Sonntag, 19. Dezember, 2010 23:55 Uhr
Hi Gary,

wow.a new piece on the list.
Our all friend have won just in this moment a

expensive

Seymchan slice.
...bad for the seller.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=260705850283si=X5WAVEy1HwhgZ2j34Urg68r6Czo%253Dviewitem=


Best regards Mirko

Mirko Graul Meteorite
Quittenring.4
16321 Bernau
GERMANY

Phone: 0049-1724105015
E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de

WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de

Member of The Meteoritical Society
(International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery
Science)

IMCA-Member: 2113
(International Meteorite Collectors Association)


--- Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com
schrieb am So, 19.12.2010:


Von: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning

tri-ball34

An: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
CC: i...@imcamail.de
Datum: Sonntag, 19. Dezember, 2010 23:46 Uhr
To see the kind of damage this guy
has done, follow this link to see all of the

auctions

tri-ball34 has won over the past 30 days:

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidItemsuserid=tri-ball34completed=1all=1rows=50sort=1_rdc=1

Those sellers on the list have to report him to

ebay,

and

together we may get his account revoked and your

listing

fees refunded.

gary

On Dec 19, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Mirko Graul wrote:


Hi Mike,

yes, I know.
But the shipping from Germany to the United

States is

very expensive.

And so do some of the buyers a few days to

collect

pieces.

That is absolutely ok.
Fortunately, I've blocked him early.
My auctions end almost every day.
One would not imagine that this person wins

all

the

auctions of a full week.

... then good night Marie...

Best regards, Mirko

Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

[Richard Montgomery]

I haven't listed any items for about six months, and don't have any 
now...BUT plan to soon...so what is the method to block a bidder?  (Maybe 
the answer to this is part of the thread, but I'm still noodling though 
everyone's comments and warnings.  Any help will be appreciated.)


Richard Montgomery
- Original Message - 
From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com

To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 1:30 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34


Yes, This guy  ( tri-ball34 ) won quantity 23 items from me valued into 
the
thousands and will not pay for them. This is one of the reasons eBay can 
be so
frustrating and I am trying to ween myself off of it. This kind of person 
not
only hurts sellers, he hurts the buyers by bidding up items he has no 
intention

of paying for.  He bid up so many of my items that I thought the meteorite
market was recovering nicely. Now, that I have spent many hours opening 23
separate cases against him and undoing the damage, I see that the market 
is
about the same.  It is amazing what kind of chaos a single bidder can 
cause.


Best Regards,

Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

[Richard Montgomery]

Thanks to the List...I've just blocked this a-hole (thanks Don M for the 
link) ...also went and looked at Lucyfi's Seymchan thin-slice (awesome, I 
might add) and sure enough 1***a won it.  I tried writing her through 
MyEbay-ask-seller link to give her a heads-up, but couldn't.


Isn't this a crime?  Or are all the warnings posted to bidders re: you are 
entering into a binding contract just a bunch of hey?  One would think 
eBay's downside about fraud-buyers would have some sort of legal team to 
support their very existence.



- Original Message - 
From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com

To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: i...@imcamail.de
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Warning, Warning tri-ball34



Aloha,

Buyers need to beware of tri-ball34 too, as he is continuing to bid up 
items on ebay even as i write this.  He has won 2 more items and his 
carnage amounts to 180 items won in the last 30 days.


You can identify this person as a bidder on an item by clicking on the Bid 
History link on a listing, which will bring up a list of bids, with the 
bidder ID scrambled with asterisks.  Don Skidmore informs me that 
tri-ball34 is member ID l***a


Buyers, if you see l***a in the bid history of an item, you'd be advised 
not to bid on the item lest you get into a bid war with him that you 
probably will not win.  And even if you do, it would be so highly inflated 
as to be ridiculously expensive.  Caveat emptor.


gary

On Dec 19, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Warren Sansoucie wrote:



Hello all,

The Sellers of the items will be able to report him through the 
resolution center. I have had to do this over a different seller. eBay 
will revoke his account once the proper channels are followed.


It is sad. To me, it would seem this is someone with a desire to attack 
only IMCA members. Does anyone know if a non-member has had this issue?


Warren Sansoucie
IMCA 3174
St. Louis MO



Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 15:11:32 -0800
From: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; fuj...@mac.com; 
m_gr...@yahoo.de

CC: i...@imcamail.de
Subject: Re: [IMCA] [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

Yes, he tripled the price the Sylacauga would have sold for...

Member Id: l***a ( 4 ) US $150.00


Member Id: l***a ( 4 ) US $120.00


Member Id: u***h ( 793 ) US $50.00


Greg Catterton
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
IMCA member 4682
On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites


--- On Sun, 12/19/10, Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de wrote:


From: Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Warning, Warning tri-ball34
To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Gary Fujihara 
fuj...@mac.com

Cc: i...@imcamail.de
Date: Sunday, December 19, 2010, 6:08 PM
And now he have won also a slice by
cometshop:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=360327984789si=X5WAVEy1HwhgZ2j34Urg68r6Czo%253Dviewitem=

and a piece of Sylacauga:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=260707431225si=X5WAVEy1HwhgZ2j34Urg68r6Czo%253Dviewitem=


It is interesting to see 

Best Regards Mirko


Mirko Graul Meteorite
Quittenring.4
16321 Bernau
GERMANY

Phone: 0049-1724105015
E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de

WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de

Member of The Meteoritical Society
(International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery
Science)

IMCA-Member: 2113
(International Meteorite Collectors Association)


--- Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de
schrieb am So, 19.12.2010:


Von: Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de
Betreff: Re: [IMCA] [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning

tri-ball34

An: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com,

Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com

CC: i...@imcamail.de
Datum: Sonntag, 19. Dezember, 2010 23:55 Uhr
Hi Gary,

wow.a new piece on the list.
Our all friend have won just in this moment a

expensive

Seymchan slice.
...bad for the seller.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=260705850283si=X5WAVEy1HwhgZ2j34Urg68r6Czo%253Dviewitem=


Best regards Mirko

Mirko Graul Meteorite
Quittenring.4
16321 Bernau
GERMANY

Phone: 0049-1724105015
E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de

WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de

Member of The Meteoritical Society
(International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery
Science)

IMCA-Member: 2113
(International Meteorite Collectors Association)


--- Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com
schrieb am So, 19.12.2010:


Von: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning

tri-ball34

An: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
CC: i...@imcamail.de
Datum: Sonntag, 19. Dezember, 2010 23:46 Uhr
To see the kind of damage this guy
has done, follow this link to see all of the

auctions

tri-ball34 has won over the past 30 days:

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidItemsuserid=tri-ball34completed=1all=1rows=50sort=1_rdc=1

Those sellers on the list have

Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

[Yinan Wang]

Isn't this a crime?  Or are all the warnings posted to bidders
re:you are entering into a binding contract just a bunch of
hey?


*The following is not to be taken as legal advice*

Well, its a legal contract, so it's a breach of contract when someone
doesn't pay, but that's not usually considered a crime unless they
recieved the item already or stole something. Normally, say if this
was taking place locally, you could probably sue someone in small
claims court for breach of contract. Unfortunately it appears the
buyer is in France, so unless you plan to go over there and sue them
in whatever local court they have there...

Best to just block and complaining to ebay about the person not paying.

-YvW

On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Richard Montgomery
rickm...@earthlink.net wrote:
 Thanks to the List...I've just blocked this a-hole (thanks Don M for the
 link) ...also went and looked at Lucyfi's Seymchan thin-slice (awesome, I
 might add) and sure enough 1***a won it.  I tried writing her through
 MyEbay-ask-seller link to give her a heads-up, but couldn't.

 Isn't this a crime?  Or are all the warnings posted to bidders re: you are
 entering into a binding contract just a bunch of hey?  One would think
 eBay's downside about fraud-buyers would have some sort of legal team to
 support their very existence.


 - Original Message - From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com
 To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Cc: i...@imcamail.de
 Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 4:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Warning, Warning tri-ball34


 Aloha,

 Buyers need to beware of tri-ball34 too, as he is continuing to bid up
 items on ebay even as i write this.  He has won 2 more items and his carnage
 amounts to 180 items won in the last 30 days.

 You can identify this person as a bidder on an item by clicking on the Bid
 History link on a listing, which will bring up a list of bids, with the
 bidder ID scrambled with asterisks.  Don Skidmore informs me that tri-ball34
 is member ID l***a

 Buyers, if you see l***a in the bid history of an item, you'd be advised
 not to bid on the item lest you get into a bid war with him that you
 probably will not win.  And even if you do, it would be so highly inflated
 as to be ridiculously expensive.  Caveat emptor.

 gary

 On Dec 19, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Warren Sansoucie wrote:


 Hello all,

 The Sellers of the items will be able to report him through the
 resolution center. I have had to do this over a different seller. eBay will
 revoke his account once the proper channels are followed.

 It is sad. To me, it would seem this is someone with a desire to attack
 only IMCA members. Does anyone know if a non-member has had this issue?

 Warren Sansoucie
 IMCA 3174
 St. Louis MO


 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 15:11:32 -0800
 From: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; fuj...@mac.com;
 m_gr...@yahoo.de
 CC: i...@imcamail.de
 Subject: Re: [IMCA] [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

 Yes, he tripled the price the Sylacauga would have sold for...

 Member Id: l***a ( 4 ) US $150.00


 Member Id: l***a ( 4 ) US $120.00


 Member Id: u***h ( 793 ) US $50.00


 Greg Catterton
 www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
 IMCA member 4682
 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
 On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites


 --- On Sun, 12/19/10, Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de wrote:

 From: Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Warning, Warning tri-ball34
 To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Gary Fujihara
 fuj...@mac.com
 Cc: i...@imcamail.de
 Date: Sunday, December 19, 2010, 6:08 PM
 And now he have won also a slice by
 cometshop:


 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=360327984789si=X5WAVEy1HwhgZ2j34Urg68r6Czo%253Dviewitem=

 and a piece of Sylacauga:


 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=260707431225si=X5WAVEy1HwhgZ2j34Urg68r6Czo%253Dviewitem=


 It is interesting to see 

 Best Regards Mirko


 Mirko Graul Meteorite
 Quittenring.4
 16321 Bernau
 GERMANY

 Phone: 0049-1724105015
 E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de

 WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de

 Member of The Meteoritical Society
 (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery
 Science)

 IMCA-Member: 2113
 (International Meteorite Collectors Association)


 --- Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de
 schrieb am So, 19.12.2010:

 Von: Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de
 Betreff: Re: [IMCA] [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning

 tri-ball34

 An: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com,

 Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com

 CC: i...@imcamail.de
 Datum: Sonntag, 19. Dezember, 2010 23:55 Uhr
 Hi Gary,

 wow.a new piece on the list.
 Our all friend have won just in this moment a

 expensive

 Seymchan slice.
 ...bad for the seller.


 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=260705850283si=X5WAVEy1HwhgZ2j34Urg68r6Czo%253Dviewitem=


 Best

Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

[Stuart McDaniel]

I have an idea that may help...what about if you 
see this 1**a has bid on something, use the function to ask the seller a 
question that get's added to the description of the ad warning them of this 
guy? There ia a way that it will show up in the description and maybe the 
seller can end the auction early.


-Original Message- 
From: Richard Montgomery

Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 9:07 PM
To: Gary Fujihara ; MeteorList
Cc: i...@imcamail.de
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

Thanks to the List...I've just blocked this a-hole (thanks Don M for the
link) ...also went and looked at Lucyfi's Seymchan thin-slice (awesome, I
might add) and sure enough 1***a won it.  I tried writing her through
MyEbay-ask-seller link to give her a heads-up, but couldn't.

Isn't this a crime?  Or are all the warnings posted to bidders re: you are
entering into a binding contract just a bunch of hey?  One would think
eBay's downside about fraud-buyers would have some sort of legal team to
support their very existence.


- Original Message - 
From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com

To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: i...@imcamail.de
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Warning, Warning tri-ball34



Aloha,

Buyers need to beware of tri-ball34 too, as he is continuing to bid up 
items on ebay even as i write this.  He has won 2 more items and his 
carnage amounts to 180 items won in the last 30 days.


You can identify this person as a bidder on an item by clicking on the Bid 
History link on a listing, which will bring up a list of bids, with the 
bidder ID scrambled with asterisks.  Don Skidmore informs me that 
tri-ball34 is member ID l***a


Buyers, if you see l***a in the bid history of an item, you'd be advised 
not to bid on the item lest you get into a bid war with him that you 
probably will not win.  And even if you do, it would be so highly inflated 
as to be ridiculously expensive.  Caveat emptor.


gary

On Dec 19, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Warren Sansoucie wrote:



Hello all,

The Sellers of the items will be able to report him through the 
resolution center. I have had to do this over a different seller. eBay 
will revoke his account once the proper channels are followed.


It is sad. To me, it would seem this is someone with a desire to attack 
only IMCA members. Does anyone know if a non-member has had this issue?


Warren Sansoucie
IMCA 3174
St. Louis MO



Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 15:11:32 -0800
From: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; fuj...@mac.com; 
m_gr...@yahoo.de

CC: i...@imcamail.de
Subject: Re: [IMCA] [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

Yes, he tripled the price the Sylacauga would have sold for...

Member Id: l***a ( 4 ) US $150.00


Member Id: l***a ( 4 ) US $120.00


Member Id: u***h ( 793 ) US $50.00


Greg Catterton
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
IMCA member 4682
On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites


--- On Sun, 12/19/10, Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de wrote:


From: Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Warning, Warning tri-ball34
To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Gary Fujihara 
fuj...@mac.com

Cc: i...@imcamail.de
Date: Sunday, December 19, 2010, 6:08 PM
And now he have won also a slice by
cometshop:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=360327984789si=X5WAVEy1HwhgZ2j34Urg68r6Czo%253Dviewitem=

and a piece of Sylacauga:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=260707431225si=X5WAVEy1HwhgZ2j34Urg68r6Czo%253Dviewitem=


It is interesting to see 

Best Regards Mirko


Mirko Graul Meteorite
Quittenring.4
16321 Bernau
GERMANY

Phone: 0049-1724105015
E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de

WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de

Member of The Meteoritical Society
(International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery
Science)

IMCA-Member: 2113
(International Meteorite Collectors Association)


--- Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de
schrieb am So, 19.12.2010:


Von: Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de
Betreff: Re: [IMCA] [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning

tri-ball34

An: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com,

Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com

CC: i...@imcamail.de
Datum: Sonntag, 19. Dezember, 2010 23:55 Uhr
Hi Gary,

wow.a new piece on the list.
Our all friend have won just in this moment a

expensive

Seymchan slice.
...bad for the seller.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=260705850283si=X5WAVEy1HwhgZ2j34Urg68r6Czo%253Dviewitem=


Best regards Mirko

Mirko Graul Meteorite
Quittenring.4
16321 Bernau
GERMANY

Phone: 0049-1724105015
E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de

WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de

Member of The Meteoritical Society
(International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery
Science)

IMCA-Member: 2113
(International Meteorite Collectors Association

Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

[Ed Deckert]

I was under the impression that an ebay seller can cancel a bid while the 
auction

is still active, and then block the buyer whose bid he canceled.  (If the
seller knows enough to look for him, that is.)

Anyone know anything about doing that?

Ed Deckert
IMCA #8911

- Original Message - 
From: Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com
To: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net; Gary Fujihara 
fuj...@mac.com; MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Cc: i...@imcamail.de
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Warning, Warning tri-ball34


I have an idea that may help...what about if 
you see this 1**a has bid on something, use the function to ask the seller 
a question that get's added to the description of the ad warning them of 
this guy? There ia a way that it will show up in the description and maybe 
the seller can end the auction early.


-Original Message- 
From: Richard Montgomery

Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 9:07 PM
To: Gary Fujihara ; MeteorList
Cc: i...@imcamail.de
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

Thanks to the List...I've just blocked this a-hole (thanks Don M for the
link) ...also went and looked at Lucyfi's Seymchan thin-slice (awesome, I
might add) and sure enough 1***a won it.  I tried writing her through
MyEbay-ask-seller link to give her a heads-up, but couldn't.

Isn't this a crime?  Or are all the warnings posted to bidders re: you 
are
entering into a binding contract just a bunch of hey?  One would 
think

eBay's downside about fraud-buyers would have some sort of legal team to
support their very existence.


- Original Message - 
From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com

To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: i...@imcamail.de
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Warning, Warning tri-ball34



Aloha,

Buyers need to beware of tri-ball34 too, as he is continuing to bid up 
items on ebay even as i write this.  He has won 2 more items and his 
carnage amounts to 180 items won in the last 30 days.


You can identify this person as a bidder on an item by clicking on the 
Bid History link on a listing, which will bring up a list of bids, with 
the bidder ID scrambled with asterisks.  Don Skidmore informs me that 
tri-ball34 is member ID l***a


Buyers, if you see l***a in the bid history of an item, you'd be advised 
not to bid on the item lest you get into a bid war with him that you 
probably will not win.  And even if you do, it would be so highly 
inflated as to be ridiculously expensive.  Caveat emptor.


gary

On Dec 19, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Warren Sansoucie wrote:



Hello all,

The Sellers of the items will be able to report him through the 
resolution center. I have had to do this over a different seller. eBay 
will revoke his account once the proper channels are followed.


It is sad. To me, it would seem this is someone with a desire to attack 
only IMCA members. Does anyone know if a non-member has had this issue?


Warren Sansoucie
IMCA 3174
St. Louis MO



Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 15:11:32 -0800
From: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; fuj...@mac.com; 
m_gr...@yahoo.de

CC: i...@imcamail.de
Subject: Re: [IMCA] [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

Yes, he tripled the price the Sylacauga would have sold for...

Member Id: l***a ( 4 ) US $150.00


Member Id: l***a ( 4 ) US $120.00


Member Id: u***h ( 793 ) US $50.00


Greg Catterton
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
IMCA member 4682
On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites


--- On Sun, 12/19/10, Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de wrote:


From: Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Warning, Warning tri-ball34
To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Gary 
Fujihara fuj...@mac.com

Cc: i...@imcamail.de
Date: Sunday, December 19, 2010, 6:08 PM
And now he have won also a slice by
cometshop:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=360327984789si=X5WAVEy1HwhgZ2j34Urg68r6Czo%253Dviewitem=

and a piece of Sylacauga:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=260707431225si=X5WAVEy1HwhgZ2j34Urg68r6Czo%253Dviewitem=


It is interesting to see 

Best Regards Mirko


Mirko Graul Meteorite
Quittenring.4
16321 Bernau
GERMANY

Phone: 0049-1724105015
E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de

WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de

Member of The Meteoritical Society
(International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery
Science)

IMCA-Member: 2113
(International Meteorite Collectors Association)


--- Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de
schrieb am So, 19.12.2010:


Von: Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de
Betreff: Re: [IMCA] [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning

tri-ball34

An: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com,

Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com

CC: i...@imcamail.de
Datum: Sonntag, 19

Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

[Yinan Wang]

Lets see if these links come through:

Here is the bid cancellation form for sellers:
http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?CancelBidShow

There is also a block bidder form but its very individual so I'm not
sure I can successfully load the link. Go to ebay, click Help- Help
Topics, and follow links to the block bidder list.


-YvW



On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Ed Deckert edeck...@triad.rr.com wrote:

 I was under the impression that an ebay seller can cancel a bid while the
 auction
 is still active, and then block the buyer whose bid he canceled.  (If the
 seller knows enough to look for him, that is.)

 Anyone know anything about doing that?

 Ed Deckert
 IMCA #8911

 - Original Message - From: Stuart McDaniel
 actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com
 To: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net; Gary Fujihara
 fuj...@mac.com; MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Cc: i...@imcamail.de
 Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 9:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Warning, Warning tri-ball34


 I have an idea that may help...what about if
 you see this 1**a has bid on something, use the function to ask the seller a
 question that get's added to the description of the ad warning them of this
 guy? There ia a way that it will show up in the description and maybe the
 seller can end the auction early.

 -Original Message- From: Richard Montgomery
 Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 9:07 PM
 To: Gary Fujihara ; MeteorList
 Cc: i...@imcamail.de
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

 Thanks to the List...I've just blocked this a-hole (thanks Don M for the
 link) ...also went and looked at Lucyfi's Seymchan thin-slice (awesome, I
 might add) and sure enough 1***a won it.  I tried writing her through
 MyEbay-ask-seller link to give her a heads-up, but couldn't.

 Isn't this a crime?  Or are all the warnings posted to bidders re: you
 are
 entering into a binding contract just a bunch of hey?  One would
 think
 eBay's downside about fraud-buyers would have some sort of legal team to
 support their very existence.


 - Original Message - From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com
 To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Cc: i...@imcamail.de
 Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 4:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Warning, Warning tri-ball34


 Aloha,

 Buyers need to beware of tri-ball34 too, as he is continuing to bid up
 items on ebay even as i write this.  He has won 2 more items and his carnage
 amounts to 180 items won in the last 30 days.

 You can identify this person as a bidder on an item by clicking on the
 Bid History link on a listing, which will bring up a list of bids, with the
 bidder ID scrambled with asterisks.  Don Skidmore informs me that tri-ball34
 is member ID l***a

 Buyers, if you see l***a in the bid history of an item, you'd be advised
 not to bid on the item lest you get into a bid war with him that you
 probably will not win.  And even if you do, it would be so highly inflated
 as to be ridiculously expensive.  Caveat emptor.

 gary

 On Dec 19, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Warren Sansoucie wrote:


 Hello all,

 The Sellers of the items will be able to report him through the
 resolution center. I have had to do this over a different seller. eBay will
 revoke his account once the proper channels are followed.

 It is sad. To me, it would seem this is someone with a desire to attack
 only IMCA members. Does anyone know if a non-member has had this issue?

 Warren Sansoucie
 IMCA 3174
 St. Louis MO


 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 15:11:32 -0800
 From: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; fuj...@mac.com;
 m_gr...@yahoo.de
 CC: i...@imcamail.de
 Subject: Re: [IMCA] [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

 Yes, he tripled the price the Sylacauga would have sold for...

 Member Id: l***a ( 4 ) US $150.00


 Member Id: l***a ( 4 ) US $120.00


 Member Id: u***h ( 793 ) US $50.00


 Greg Catterton
 www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
 IMCA member 4682
 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
 On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites


 --- On Sun, 12/19/10, Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de wrote:

 From: Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Warning, Warning tri-ball34
 To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Gary
 Fujihara fuj...@mac.com
 Cc: i...@imcamail.de
 Date: Sunday, December 19, 2010, 6:08 PM
 And now he have won also a slice by
 cometshop:


 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=360327984789si=X5WAVEy1HwhgZ2j34Urg68r6Czo%253Dviewitem=

 and a piece of Sylacauga:


 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=260707431225si=X5WAVEy1HwhgZ2j34Urg68r6Czo%253Dviewitem=


 It is interesting to see 

 Best Regards Mirko


 Mirko Graul Meteorite
 Quittenring.4
 16321 Bernau
 GERMANY

 Phone: 0049-1724105015
 E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de

 WEB

Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

[Jason Utas]

To make things more interesting -
tri-ball34 just got a lot of positive feedback from a seller.
All relatively inexpensive small NWAs.
Jason


On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Yinan Wang veom...@gmail.com wrote:
 Lets see if these links come through:

 Here is the bid cancellation form for sellers:
 http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?CancelBidShow

 There is also a block bidder form but its very individual so I'm not
 sure I can successfully load the link. Go to ebay, click Help- Help
 Topics, and follow links to the block bidder list.


 -YvW



 On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Ed Deckert edeck...@triad.rr.com wrote:

 I was under the impression that an ebay seller can cancel a bid while the
 auction
 is still active, and then block the buyer whose bid he canceled.  (If the
 seller knows enough to look for him, that is.)

 Anyone know anything about doing that?

 Ed Deckert
 IMCA #8911

 - Original Message - From: Stuart McDaniel
 actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com
 To: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net; Gary Fujihara
 fuj...@mac.com; MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Cc: i...@imcamail.de
 Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 9:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Warning, Warning tri-ball34


 I have an idea that may help...what about if
 you see this 1**a has bid on something, use the function to ask the seller a
 question that get's added to the description of the ad warning them of this
 guy? There ia a way that it will show up in the description and maybe the
 seller can end the auction early.

 -Original Message- From: Richard Montgomery
 Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 9:07 PM
 To: Gary Fujihara ; MeteorList
 Cc: i...@imcamail.de
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

 Thanks to the List...I've just blocked this a-hole (thanks Don M for the
 link) ...also went and looked at Lucyfi's Seymchan thin-slice (awesome, I
 might add) and sure enough 1***a won it.  I tried writing her through
 MyEbay-ask-seller link to give her a heads-up, but couldn't.

 Isn't this a crime?  Or are all the warnings posted to bidders re: you
 are
 entering into a binding contract just a bunch of hey?  One would
 think
 eBay's downside about fraud-buyers would have some sort of legal team to
 support their very existence.


 - Original Message - From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com
 To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Cc: i...@imcamail.de
 Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 4:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Warning, Warning tri-ball34


 Aloha,

 Buyers need to beware of tri-ball34 too, as he is continuing to bid up
 items on ebay even as i write this.  He has won 2 more items and his 
 carnage
 amounts to 180 items won in the last 30 days.

 You can identify this person as a bidder on an item by clicking on the
 Bid History link on a listing, which will bring up a list of bids, with the
 bidder ID scrambled with asterisks.  Don Skidmore informs me that 
 tri-ball34
 is member ID l***a

 Buyers, if you see l***a in the bid history of an item, you'd be advised
 not to bid on the item lest you get into a bid war with him that you
 probably will not win.  And even if you do, it would be so highly inflated
 as to be ridiculously expensive.  Caveat emptor.

 gary

 On Dec 19, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Warren Sansoucie wrote:


 Hello all,

 The Sellers of the items will be able to report him through the
 resolution center. I have had to do this over a different seller. eBay 
 will
 revoke his account once the proper channels are followed.

 It is sad. To me, it would seem this is someone with a desire to attack
 only IMCA members. Does anyone know if a non-member has had this issue?

 Warren Sansoucie
 IMCA 3174
 St. Louis MO


 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 15:11:32 -0800
 From: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; fuj...@mac.com;
 m_gr...@yahoo.de
 CC: i...@imcamail.de
 Subject: Re: [IMCA] [meteorite-list] Warning, Warning tri-ball34

 Yes, he tripled the price the Sylacauga would have sold for...

 Member Id: l***a ( 4 ) US $150.00


 Member Id: l***a ( 4 ) US $120.00


 Member Id: u***h ( 793 ) US $50.00


 Greg Catterton
 www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
 IMCA member 4682
 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
 On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites


 --- On Sun, 12/19/10, Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de wrote:

 From: Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Warning, Warning tri-ball34
 To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Gary
 Fujihara fuj...@mac.com
 Cc: i...@imcamail.de
 Date: Sunday, December 19, 2010, 6:08 PM
 And now he have won also a slice by
 cometshop:


 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=360327984789si=X5WAVEy1HwhgZ2j34Urg68r6Czo%253Dviewitem=

 and a piece of Sylacauga:


 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=260707431225si

Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay Warning !!!!!!!!!!

[ROCKS ON FIRE]

Hi, all,

I've received the same spoof, same sender and forwarded it straight to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I too have to admit it is very cunningly done.
Best you always check in My Messages in your My Ebay before you click 
the Respond Now button.


So, everybody: Take extreme care!

Best regards from DOWN-UNDER,

Norbert  Heike Kammel
*ROCKS ON FIRE *
  IMCA #3420
www.rocksonfire.com http://www.rocksonfire.com











Marcin Cimala wrote:

Hi
Im alvays careful and know that from ebay comes many scam emails, but this
one cheated me like a little baby.

I have received QUESTION EMAIL from eBay member john_dussdorf
What payment method would you preffer ? Please respond ASAP. Thank you
Have a nice day. 

I have clicked respond now, and log-in to eBay.
Undortunatelly this was NOT eBay link. I have send my password to hell, so
needed to chane it immediatelly.

So everyone beware. Its the best scam I have received.

-[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-
http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.PolandMET.com   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.Gao-Guenie.com  GSM +48(607)535 195
[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]



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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay Warning !!!!!!!!!!

[Dave Freeman mjwy/fossilalgae.com]

Dear Marcin;
I received three of these today, they use former eBay Id's no longer 
actively registered, if  you click to respond, you are directed to a 
phony page that looks like an official eBay page but it actually gives 
the creep your account user ID and password.   They also do the I sent 
the package please tell me when you get it, or other things...all scams 
and they all should be shot...in my not so humble opinion.

Good luck being very careful!
Dave F.Marcin Cimala wrote:


Hi
Im alvays careful and know that from ebay comes many scam emails, but this
one cheated me like a little baby.

I have received QUESTION EMAIL from eBay member john_dussdorf
What payment method would you preffer ? Please respond ASAP. Thank you
Have a nice day. 

I have clicked respond now, and log-in to eBay.
Undortunatelly this was NOT eBay link. I have send my password to hell, so
needed to chane it immediatelly.

So everyone beware. Its the best scam I have received.

-[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-
http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.PolandMET.com   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.Gao-Guenie.com  GSM +48(607)535 195
[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]



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Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Warning list member adressed virus mails

[Meteoriteshow]

Hi Martin and All,

As far as I'm concerned, I have not been touched yet by those contaminated 
e-mails... I'll let you know when it happens.
Kind regards,

Frederic Beroud
http://www.meteoriteshow.com
IMCA member # 2491 (http://www.imca.cc/)

- Original Message - 
From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 9:17 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Warning list member adressed virus mails


 Hi list,
 
 some OT. Seems that a robot collected some email-adresses from a meteorite
 site.
 I recieved several mails with adresses from different well known meteorite
 people from different countries with their adresses as sender and a virus in
 the attachement. Others recieved them too.
 Don't open the attachment, don't read the mails, just throw it away.
 
 Meow
 Martin
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] OT - WARNING !! PAYPAL USERS.

[Peter Marmet]

Hi Jan and list,

I get this kind of spam at least once per week for many month now!
I often send a copy to   [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Ebay promises to
do something about it but for some reason they are not able to stop this kind
of spam
but they send you a lot of useful links!

Peter Marmet


Jan Bartels wrote:

 Dear Darren.

 Very amusing this way of responding. I asume i am way behind of things you
 have expierienced already way back in the 90's?

 Wel lets see it this way. Maybe there are folks out there who are as much
 behind in these things like i am. Let this be a warning for them.

 For the othersthrow away this spammail.

 Best,
 Jan

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Re: [meteorite-list] OT - WARNING !! PAYPAL USERS.

[Chris Peterson]

It is a good idea to make sure that you have disabled your email client's 
ability to display HTML. Doing this makes it much easier to see if you are 
the target of phishers, since you can't spoof a URL in plain text. The 
message may say it's from PalPal or eBay, but with just a little care you 
can easily see if you are being directed to click on a link to somewhere 
else.


Chris

*
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


- Original Message - 
From: Peter Marmet [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT - WARNING !! PAYPAL USERS.



Hi Jan and list,

I get this kind of spam at least once per week for many month now!
I often send a copy to   [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Ebay promises to
do something about it but for some reason they are not able to stop this 
kind

of spam
but they send you a lot of useful links!

Peter Marmet


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Re: [meteorite-list] OT - WARNING !! PAYPAL USERS.

[Jan Bartels]

Hi Peter,

Well i should feel lucky this was actualy my first one that almost made me
believe it was the real stuff.
Again i hope the rest of you are more clever then i am.
Anyway, paypal was also shocked by the way this one was made. almost
looked like the real thing for them to as they replied.

Greetings from Holland
Jan

 Hi Jan and list,

 I get this kind of spam at least once per week for many month now! I
 often send a copy to   [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Ebay promises to
 do something about it but for some reason they are not able to stop this
 kind of spam
 but they send you a lot of useful links!

 Peter Marmet


 Jan Bartels wrote:

 Dear Darren.

 Very amusing this way of responding. I asume i am way behind of things
 you have expierienced already way back in the 90's?

 Wel lets see it this way. Maybe there are folks out there who are as
 much behind in these things like i am. Let this be a warning for them.

 For the othersthrow away this spammail.

 Best,
 Jan

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Re: [meteorite-list] eBay warning about seller

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Hi Dave,
Could you identify the seller and share the ID with the list? A couple of
times Serge of Cometshop had his auctions pulled because eBay made a
mistake. It was very frustrating for him. Since Serge sells Shirokovsky I
wonder whether eBay has screwed up again. Thanks.
Bob

Original Message:
-
From: David Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:08:31 -0800 (PST)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] eBay warning about seller


I got the same thing.  Anyone know what's up with the seller?

Dave H.


--- Lars Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Just to inform you all.
 
 - Original Message - 
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 5:24 PM
 Subject: Important Message from eBay Loss Prevention Department
 
 
  Dear Lars B Pedersen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]),
 
  The following is a notice from eBay Trust  Safety regarding:
 
  Item Number - 6510436061
  Item Title - ShirokovskyEnigma Stonemeteorite wrong 13,4 g slice
 
  Our records show that you were a bidder or buyer of one or more of this 
  seller's items. We recently removed all of this seller's listings and
have 
  suspended the seller's trading privileges. Due to privacy concerns we
will 
  not be able to share further details related to this seller.
 
  If someone claiming to be the seller asks you to complete a transaction 
  outside of eBay, we strongly recommend that you ignore the request. 
  Transactions for items listed on eBay that are completed outside of the 
  eBay marketplace are not covered by the Buyer Protection services
offered 
  by eBay and can be highly indicative of fraud.
 
  If you have not sent payment to the seller, we urge you to not proceed 
  with the transaction.
 
  If you have already paid, you may wish to pursue options to recoup your 
  funds. Some steps you might take include:
 
  1. Ask the seller for a refund
  2. If you paid by check, ask your bank to stop payment
  3. If you paid by credit card, contact your credit card company's
security 
  department
  4. If you have made a payment by money order or wire transfer, you may 
  contact that company for further information at 1-800-325-6000 (Western 
  Union), or at 1-800-926-9400 (Money Gram)
  5. If you paid with PayPal, review the Buyer Complaint Process at:
 
  /csg/p?www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/protections-buyer-outside
 
  6. Review eligibility requirements for eBay's standard purchase
protection 
  program at:
 
  http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/isgw-fraud-claim-requirements.html
 
  There are many tips on how to protect yourself with any Internet 
  transaction in the eBay Security  Resolution Center located at:
 
  http://pages.ebay.com/securitycenter
 
  Our goal is to ensure that your eBay experience is safe so that you can 
  buy confidently. It is rare that something goes wrong with a
transaction 
  on eBay, but we're here to help you protect yourself in the event it
does. 
  If you have additional questions, please send us an email using the 
  Contact Us link found on eBay Help pages. Do not respond to this
email, 
  as your reply will not be received.
 
  Regards,
  Customer Support (Trust and Safety Department)
  eBay Inc
  
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] eBay warning about seller

[stan .]

  Item Number - 6510436061
  Item Title - ShirokovskyEnigma Stonemeteorite wrong 13,4 g slice

i dont get it - smeone was booted off of ebay for selling a 'fake' 
meteowrong?

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Re: [meteorite-list] eBay warning about seller

[Meteoryt.net]

I write to him yesterday asking him about his slices of Shirokovsky. Now I
send him question if he know what happend with his account.
We will see


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- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] eBay warning about seller


Hi Dave,
Could you identify the seller and share the ID with the list? A couple of
times Serge of Cometshop had his auctions pulled because eBay made a
mistake. It was very frustrating for him. Since Serge sells Shirokovsky I
wonder whether eBay has screwed up again. Thanks.
Bob

Original Message:
-
From: David Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:08:31 -0800 (PST)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] eBay warning about seller


I got the same thing.  Anyone know what's up with the seller?

Dave H.


--- Lars Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Just to inform you all.

 - Original Message - 

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 5:24 PM
 Subject: Important Message from eBay Loss Prevention Department


  Dear Lars B Pedersen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]),
 
  The following is a notice from eBay Trust  Safety regarding:
 
  Item Number - 6510436061
  Item Title - ShirokovskyEnigma Stonemeteorite wrong 13,4 g slice
 
  Our records show that you were a bidder or buyer of one or more of this
  seller's items. We recently removed all of this seller's listings and
have
  suspended the seller's trading privileges. Due to privacy concerns we
will
  not be able to share further details related to this seller.
 
  If someone claiming to be the seller asks you to complete a transaction
  outside of eBay, we strongly recommend that you ignore the request.
  Transactions for items listed on eBay that are completed outside of the
  eBay marketplace are not covered by the Buyer Protection services
offered
  by eBay and can be highly indicative of fraud.
 
  If you have not sent payment to the seller, we urge you to not proceed
  with the transaction.
 
  If you have already paid, you may wish to pursue options to recoup your
  funds. Some steps you might take include:
 
  1. Ask the seller for a refund
  2. If you paid by check, ask your bank to stop payment
  3. If you paid by credit card, contact your credit card company's
security
  department
  4. If you have made a payment by money order or wire transfer, you may
  contact that company for further information at 1-800-325-6000 (Western
  Union), or at 1-800-926-9400 (Money Gram)
  5. If you paid with PayPal, review the Buyer Complaint Process at:
 
  /csg/p?www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/protections-buyer-outside
 
  6. Review eligibility requirements for eBay's standard purchase
protection
  program at:
 
  http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/isgw-fraud-claim-requirements.html
 
  There are many tips on how to protect yourself with any Internet
  transaction in the eBay Security  Resolution Center located at:
 
  http://pages.ebay.com/securitycenter
 
  Our goal is to ensure that your eBay experience is safe so that you can
  buy confidently. It is rare that something goes wrong with a
transaction
  on eBay, but we're here to help you protect yourself in the event it
does.
  If you have additional questions, please send us an email using the
  Contact Us link found on eBay Help pages. Do not respond to this
email,
  as your reply will not be received.
 
  Regards,
  Customer Support (Trust and Safety Department)
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Re: [meteorite-list] gmail warning

[John Birdsell]

For those of you so interested in saving a buck, here is something to 
read BEFORE you sign up for Free gmail.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/03/google_mail_is_evil_privacy/
-John

Darren Garrison wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:29:28 -0700, Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

If someone wants GMAIL account, let them find it themselves. I have a pile 
of free pet food samples to give away. Want some?
   

Do your free pet food samples provide you with one gigabyte of free on-line 
storage (suitable for
file swapping) and is available by invitation only?  If so, I'll take some of 
those wonderous
magical pet food samples.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Explicite WARNING !! Bob Evans

[Martin Altmann]

Hello list!

Great stone - always a pleasure to watch the meteorite of the day at
Spacerocksinc!

As nice as the specimen may be, the owner isn't.

I never did this before and hope not to have to do it in future,
but I have to warn everyone on this list to make business with Bob Evans.

Bob Evans ordered from wellknown list member Stefan Ralew last autumn
meteorites for 1000$.
Stefan sent the specimens, but they aren't paid until today.
Bob Evans stated to have sent a money order, but it never arrived.
Well a letter always can be lost in mail and with checks or money orders
it's really no problem to block it and to issue a new one.
Instead of this Bob Evans claimed, that Stefan recieved the money (he
didn't).
Each bank can verify easy, whether a check was cashed. It's a question of a
few minutes.
Bob Evans refused to ask at his bank, kept the stones and continues to claim
Stefan to be fraudulent.

This is a completely improper behaviour and in my eyes the meteorite
community just has no need for such persons.

You may think, that this is not my cup of tea, but I know Stefan to be of
modest character, so that he never would address to the list in that case. I
wrote also to Evans personnally with no reactions.
1000$ are quite a sum and we all know Stefan for his efforts to offer
meteorites of outstanding quality at extreme low prices.
With this mail I want to preserve both collectors and dealers from similar
experiences with Mr.Bob Evans.

So:
Please don't sell to or trade with Bob Evans, nor bid on his auctions (ID:
maccers531)
until he will have solved that situation.

To avoid misunderstandings: Spacerocksinc has nothing to do with that thing.

Thanks a lot!
Martin Altmann


- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 12:06 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture Of The Day - July 6, 2004


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RE: [meteorite-list] Asteroid warning, future impact, and panic

[stan .]

What you've got to remember is that even the most sophisticated 
computer modeling is, at heart, just highly refined
guesswork! Not only do we not have actual experience with impacts, if one 
actually happened tomorrow, there would be
nobody on hand to observe it scientifically, take measurements of pressure 
waves, etc.
We guess by scaling up from observed nuclear events and scaling down 
from inferences drawn from the remains of great
impacts of the past.
I think you make impact modeling sound alot more guesswork than it actuall 
is, or may be.

What we know of the effects caused by large explosions are based upon, 
without any exageration, the results of literally thousands of sets of 
experimental data. we can predict how such impacts will scale pretty darn 
regularly. Sure there are variables at play such as the type of impact site 
(bedrock vs water for example) angle of incidence, ect, but for an event 
such as this, surely those in the know would take account for such variables 
in their attempts to predict the outcome. while such estimates are not 
absolute predictions, they are quite likely to be 'close enough for the 
women i date' as the saying goes..

rememeber, essentially everything in science is an estimation. we  can only 
estimate the force of gravity to within the accuracy of the instruments we 
use, but that estimation is still enough to allow us to calculate how much 
it will hurt when we slip on a pach of ice and hit our head on the ground, 
at least to an accuracy that is good enough for the situation at hand.

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RE: [meteorite-list] Advanced Warning

[Bernhard \Rendelius\ Rems]

Nels,



what makes you think that meteorites
are falling more frequently? Could it be
that, due to better communication and denser population, they are OBSERVED more frequently? I havent seen any indication that actually the
falls are increasing. Have you?











Best regards,

Bernhard Rendelius
Rems 

CEO RPGDot
Network 




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Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004
4:39 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [meteorite-list] Advanced
Warning





Dear List, I've been saying
for years now that the amount of meteorites falling is increasing drastically.
Never-the-less it worries me that some hope for it to strike somewhere(where
they arent). What's happening to a society that thinks like this? Nels








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Re: [meteorite-list] Virus warning!!

[Pekka Savolainen]

Hello, Dave and the list,

the address [EMAIL PROTECTED] is from my sign. Have recived same
kind of failure notices from;

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

That doesnt mean, the computers using these addresses are infected, Mydoom
just pics up random addresses from the WAB (Windows adress-book file) from
the infected computers and uses them as the sender. 
It can also collect the fake sending addresses / addresses to senddfrom
the 
following files in the infected computer;

Mail Propagation

The worm collects addresses where to send itself from Windows' Address Book
and from files with extension:

pl
adb
tbb
dbx
asp
php
sht
htm
txt


 Peer-to-Peer Spreading 

 The worm will look up form the Windows' Registry the value containing the
users Kazaa shared folder, and it will copy itself to that location with
a filename composed from the following list: 
 winamp5
 icq2004-final
 activation_crack
 strip-girl-2.0bdcom_patches
 rootkitXP
 office_crack
 nuke2004



The summary and disinfection of Mydoom can be found from;

http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/novarg.shtml

take care,

pekka s



DNAndrews wrote:
Hi Mark
and list, 
(Sorry Art I know we're not supposed to talk about this on the list).  Looks
like it's already made the list. I just got a returned message or  failure
notice for a message I never sent to a  "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". The
address was spoofed to make me look  like the sender. The body.pif file
was the intended payload. I traced  the header information to the real sender: 
  
  
Received: from sgrelayg1.core.theplanet.net (195.92.195.145) 
by indium.smartgroups.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 16:56:18 - 
Received: from aputeaux-115-1-3-220.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr ([193.251.71.220] 
  
  
Bruno Drouet is the owner of this domain. Not sure if he's the owner of
the IP address though. 
  
Beware out there and update your virus programs! 
  
Dave 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  -- 




Pekka Savolainen
Jokiharjuntie 4
FIN-71330 Rasala
FINLAND

+ 358 400 818 912

Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin
Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  
  
  

Re: [meteorite-list] Virus warning!!

[DNAndrews]

Hi Mark and list,
(Sorry Art I know we're not supposed to talk about this on the list).  
Looks like it's already made the list.  I just got a returned message or 
failure notice for a message I never sent to a 
[EMAIL PROTECTED].  The address was spoofed to make me look 
like the sender.  The body.pif file was the intended payload.  I traced 
the header information to the real sender:

Received: from sgrelayg1.core.theplanet.net (195.92.195.145)
 by indium.smartgroups.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 16:56:18 -
Received: from aputeaux-115-1-3-220.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr ([193.251.71.220]
Bruno Drouet is the owner of this domain.  Not sure if he's the owner of the IP address though.

Beware out there and update your virus programs!

Dave



mark ford wrote:

There is a particularly nasty virus doing the rounds at the moment

Called W32/[EMAIL PROTECTED]

If you see anything that matches the following, delete it:

From: (spoofed email sender) - to spoof (v): to fool. In this context,
it means the message may appear to come from someone you know. It
probably didn't.
Subject: any of the following...
   Error
   Status
   Server Report
   Mail Transaction Failed
   Mail Delivery System
   hello
   hi
Body: any of the following...
   The message cannot be represented in 7-bit ascii encoding
and has been sent as a binary attachment
   The message contains Unicode characters and has been sent as
a binary attachment
   Mail transaction failed. Partial message is available
Attachment: any of the following, but can be random...
   doc.bat
   document.zip
   message.zip
   readme.zip
   text.pif
   hello.cmd
   body.scr
   test.htm.pif
   data.txt.exe
   file.scr
The attachment icon will make it look like a text file. Don't open it.

If in doubt, chuck it out! 

Regards,
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RE: [meteorite-list] A Warning - with a twist

[Charles Viau]

Hi, Bill and list
Just to illustrate a point...
I took the liberty of translating what you wrote into Italian, and then
back again to English, using the Babbel Fish translator that he uses.
this is what comes out...


This man, for lack of better term, has not insistito that not
importunerebbe them never still? They are a release and I know it. In
some way this renders me the better tact approximately the types than
Matteo. It does not obtain it hardly and NEVER the will! I understand
mine just stupidity. All the thing better than we must recognize ours
failings. This type is making one profession of being a pain in the
posterior part! Perpetual its stupidity infinitely. I wish that I could
speak its language so as to I could dirgli that what task. Ack!!
Kieskowski Invoice

No wonder this man is confused. He takes what we type and converts it
using this crappy translator to Italian, and obviously gets a different
meaning. He also converts his Italian in English with the same tool, and
look at the crap we get.  I am not defending him by any means, as he has
a lot of other problems, and I agree he certainly has an anger
management problem.. but holy crap.. can you imagine the impact this
worthless translator is having on an already troubled individual... If
there is any saving grace in anything he has to say, then it most
certainly gets undone by this junkware.

CharlyV

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 1:03 PM
To: M come Meteorite Meteorites
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Warning

Didn't this man, for lack of a better term, insist that he would never
bother 
us again? I'm a jerk and I know it. Somehow this makes me feel better
about 
Matteo types. He just doesn't get it and NEVER will! I understand my own

stupidity. All the best of us have to recognize our failings. This guy
is 
making a profession of being a pain in the rear! He perpetuates his
stupidity 
endlessly. I wish I could speak his language so I could tell him what I 
think. Ack!!

Bill Kieskowski

 I wanted to inform to the infiltrator in my group that
 to stop to pass the messages post in my group to
 varied members of this list, besides to the idiot that
 puts the images of its fellow idiotic proud tom in the
 group between little I will know who is seen that I
 have asked to Yahoo of to supply myself all of the
 data of who have put the images.  A time for all, you
 did the cabbages yours ( italian expression )
 
 Matteo
 
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 M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato
 Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY
 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: 
 http://www.mcomemeteorite.info
 International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140
 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/
 
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RE: [meteorite-list] A Warning - with a twist

[M come Meteorite Meteorites]

Bene da oggi scriverò in italiano così vi divertirete
un pò a tradurre.

--- Charles Viau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi, Bill and list
 Just to illustrate a point...
 I took the liberty of translating what you wrote
 into Italian, and then
 back again to English, using the Babbel Fish
 translator that he uses.
 this is what comes out...
 
 
 This man, for lack of better term, has not
 insistito that not
 importunerebbe them never still? They are a release
 and I know it. In
 some way this renders me the better tact
 approximately the types than
 Matteo. It does not obtain it hardly and NEVER the
 will! I understand
 mine just stupidity. All the thing better than we
 must recognize ours
 failings. This type is making one profession of
 being a pain in the
 posterior part! Perpetual its stupidity infinitely.
 I wish that I could
 speak its language so as to I could dirgli that what
 task. Ack!!
 Kieskowski Invoice
 
 No wonder this man is confused. He takes what we
 type and converts it
 using this crappy translator to Italian, and
 obviously gets a different
 meaning. He also converts his Italian in English
 with the same tool, and
 look at the crap we get.  I am not defending him by
 any means, as he has
 a lot of other problems, and I agree he certainly
 has an anger
 management problem.. but holy crap.. can you imagine
 the impact this
 worthless translator is having on an already
 troubled individual... If
 there is any saving grace in anything he has to say,
 then it most
 certainly gets undone by this junkware.
 
 CharlyV
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 1:03 PM
 To: M come Meteorite Meteorites
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Warning
 
 Didn't this man, for lack of a better term, insist
 that he would never
 bother 
 us again? I'm a jerk and I know it. Somehow this
 makes me feel better
 about 
 Matteo types. He just doesn't get it and NEVER will!
 I understand my own
 
 stupidity. All the best of us have to recognize our
 failings. This guy
 is 
 making a profession of being a pain in the rear! He
 perpetuates his
 stupidity 
 endlessly. I wish I could speak his language so I
 could tell him what I 
 think. Ack!!
 
 Bill Kieskowski
 
  I wanted to inform to the infiltrator in my group
 that
  to stop to pass the messages post in my group to
  varied members of this list, besides to the idiot
 that
  puts the images of its fellow idiotic proud tom in
 the
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  have asked to Yahoo of to supply myself all of the
  data of who have put the images.  A time for all,
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  did the cabbages yours ( italian expression )
  
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RE: [meteorite-list] A Warning - with a twist

[joseph_town]

Charles,

I've cross referenced all his stuff through quite a few devices. I completely 
agree with the confusion between he and I. I say he and I as a courtesy to 
all others. I can only speak for myself. I know the language is very 
confused. I must admit that I lack patience at times. To really express 
myself at this point would only distract from this fine group. I really 
appreciate your response! I come here to learn. I spend hours reading posts 
from so many eloquent people, people like you. Still, I'd like to give him a 
second lobodomy with a meteoric hatpin!

Bill Kieskowski

 Hi, Bill and list
 Just to illustrate a point...
 I took the liberty of translating what you wrote into Italian, and then
 back again to English, using the Babbel Fish translator that he uses.
 this is what comes out...
 
 
 This man, for lack of better term, has not insistito that not
 importunerebbe them never still? They are a release and I know it. In
 some way this renders me the better tact approximately the types than
 Matteo. It does not obtain it hardly and NEVER the will! I understand
 mine just stupidity. All the thing better than we must recognize ours
 failings. This type is making one profession of being a pain in the
 posterior part! Perpetual its stupidity infinitely. I wish that I could
 speak its language so as to I could dirgli that what task. Ack!!
 Kieskowski Invoice
 
 No wonder this man is confused. He takes what we type and converts it
 using this crappy translator to Italian, and obviously gets a different
 meaning. He also converts his Italian in English with the same tool, and

 look at the crap we get.  I am not defending him by any means, as he has
 a lot of other problems, and I agree he certainly has an anger
 management problem.. but holy crap.. can you imagine the impact this
 worthless translator is having on an already troubled individual... If
 there is any saving grace in anything he has to say, then it most
 certainly gets undone by this junkware.
 
 CharlyV
 
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 Didn't this man, for lack of a better term, insist that he would never
 bother 
 us again? I'm a jerk and I know it. Somehow this makes me feel better
 about 
 Matteo types. He just doesn't get it and NEVER will! I understand my own
 

 stupidity. All the best of us have to recognize our failings. This guy
 is 
 making a profession of being a pain in the rear! He perpetuates his
 stupidity 
 endlessly. I wish I could speak his language so I could tell him what I 
 think. Ack!!
 
 Bill Kieskowski
 
  I wanted to inform to the infiltrator in my group that
  to stop to pass the messages post in my group to
  varied members of this list, besides to the idiot that
  puts the images of its fellow idiotic proud tom in the
  group between little I will know who is seen that I
  have asked to Yahoo of to supply myself all of the
  data of who have put the images.  A time for all, you
  did the cabbages yours ( italian expression )
  
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RE: [meteorite-list] A Warning

[Bernhard \Rendelius\ Rems]

*yawn*

Bernhard

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I wanted to inform to the infiltrator in my group that
to stop to pass the messages post in my group to
varied members of this list, besides to the idiot that
puts the images of its fellow idiotic proud tom in the
group between little I will know who is seen that I
have asked to Yahoo of to supply myself all of the
data of who have put the images.  A time for all, you
did the cabbages yours ( italian expression )

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Re: [meteorite-list] A Warning

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Someone break the news to Matteo: Mussolini is dead.

GregoryJ. Gregory Wilson2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918Santa Monica, CA 90403

Re: [MeteoriteCollectors] Re: [meteorite-list] A Warning

[Michael Farmer]

I thought he left the list a couple weeks ago.
Cant keep his word in any form.
Mike Farmer
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 Maybe I am misunderstanding Matteo, but why does he insist on fighting all
 of the time?
 he seems to have a real chip on his shoulder...
 There appears to be a real ego and control problem.
 If he is like this all the time then perhaps he should see a specialist in
 anger management before addressing us.  It is really rather sad.
 And tiresome.
 And, unfortunately, predictable...

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 From: Michael L Blood
 Date: 30/12/2003 17:32:41
 To: M come Meteorite Meteorites; Meteorite Collectors; Meteoritecentral
 Subject: [MeteoriteCollectors] Re: [meteorite-list] A Warning

 Hysterical!
 Michael

 on 12/30/03 5:43 AM, M come Meteorite Meteorites at
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  group between little I will know who is seen that I
  have asked to Yahoo of to supply myself all of the
  data of who have put the images.  A time for all, you
  did the cabbages yours ( italian expression )
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] A Warning

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Didn't this man, for lack of a better term, insist that he would never bother 
us again? I'm a jerk and I know it. Somehow this makes me feel better about 
Matteo types. He just doesn't get it and NEVER will! I understand my own 
stupidity. All the best of us have to recognize our failings. This guy is 
making a profession of being a pain in the rear! He perpetuates his stupidity 
endlessly. I wish I could speak his language so I could tell him what I 
think. Ack!!

Bill Kieskowski

 I wanted to inform to the infiltrator in my group that
 to stop to pass the messages post in my group to
 varied members of this list, besides to the idiot that
 puts the images of its fellow idiotic proud tom in the
 group between little I will know who is seen that I
 have asked to Yahoo of to supply myself all of the
 data of who have put the images.  A time for all, you
 did the cabbages yours ( italian expression )
 
 Matteo
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] A Warning

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I wanted to inform to the infiltrator in my group that.. I will know who is seen that I have asked to Yahoo of to supply myself all of the data of who have put the images.


Someone break the news to Matteo: Mussolini is dead.

Gregory

J. Gregory Wilson
2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918
Santa Monica, CA 90403
I think the problem is that some people HAVE tried to break the news to Matteo. A deaf ear hears nothing.

John Gwilliam

Re: [meteorite-list] A Warning

[Jerry A. Wallace]

Dear Met Cent List Folks,

I'm certainly not claiming to be a fortune teller, but it /was/ obvious, 
at least to me,
what would trigger the next Mount Matteo eruption. When he declared that 
he was
quitting our game, taking his ball, and starting his own game (list) 
across the pond
over yonder, that it could only be a short time before any number of 
things could,
or would, happen.

As it has now developed, we stand unjustly accused of sending our spies 
into the
enemy camp (his) for purposes including espionage, sabotage, and all 
other manner
of evil doing, even to the ultimate sin of Proud Tomming him again. Of 
course,
these charges are blatantly false because everyone on the Met Cent list was
quietly celebrating his absence and not even mentioning his name (for 
the most
part) out of fear of reviving the monster. Well, it's done been did.

I've attempted to decode his latest transmission using a number of 
different
classical encryption algorithms, including the Caesar Cipher, with no 
success
whatsoever. The results are as undecipherable and meaningless as the 
original
message.

I have found, however, the last line of his tirade to be the most 
telling. It
actually wasn't so much encrypted as the first part of his message, but more
in need of some industrial strength translation techniques. So, if you 
will bear
with me, I'll attempt to sort out what was probably the essence of his 
lastest
broadside.

Matteo ranted:

A time for all, you did the cabbages yours ( italian expression )

Starting with the first phrase: A time for all, ...

This, it turns out, is fairly close to meaning what it says: i.e., that 
everyone will, at one time or
another, have the opportunity to accomplish the specified act.

I think Matteo may have been paraphasing the famous statement from the 
Bible,  from the
book of Ecclesiastes:

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the 
heaven.

Perhaps the Nuns in Matteo's group had a positive influence on Matteo in 
his selection of
the biblical reference that he used. You're doing a good job on a hard 
case, girls.

And the next portion being:

...you did the...

This is a reemphasis on the first part meaning: 'you have done' or 
(transliterally abominated)
'you will have done' (at some future point in time.)

It was the cabbages part that really threw me.  I had to do quite a 
bit of digging into
ancient Roman history and translated Latin before this became clear. It 
turns out that in
early Roman times, bolides, fireballs, or actually- any meteoroid in 
transit through the
earth's atmosphere, was termed, or spoken of, as a 'heavenly vegetable', 
or to be more
specific- a cabbage. Not a lot of people know this.

The following Latin statement from Roman antiquity makes it abundantly 
clear:

Minutus cantorum, minutus balorum, minutus carborata descendum pantorum.

That leaves only the final word, ...yours... which wasn't hard to 
figure at all. It is a
contraction of the modern day phrase: up yours! It is used reflexively 
as a moderator
for the noun cabbages.

And so, I offer to you the completed translation (actual meaning) of 
Matteo's (ain't
gonna write no more this list) last statement:

TAKE THIS METEORITE (probably a ragged Pultusk) AND SHOVE IT!

No thanks necessary,

West Texas Jerry

Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.
(When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults.)


M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote:

I wanted to inform to the infiltrator in my group that
to stop to pass the messages post in my group to
varied members of this list, besides to the idiot that
puts the images of its fellow idiotic proud tom in the
group between little I will know who is seen that I
have asked to Yahoo of to supply myself all of the
data of who have put the images.  A time for all, you
did the cabbages yours ( italian expression )
Matteo

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Re: [meteorite-list] A Warning

[David Brown]

Even for to be a lurker I am having small temporal success putting together
amounts needed for longly incomprehensible strings.  Vague finely sliced
thinness flings haze upon meaning and is beyond the age when life becomes
deadness.Firmly wishing luck on your forward time cabbages so it
enhances the organic content of the crap folder in which it is now resides.
Lassie, go get Timmy! Grandpa's fallen down the well! (american expression)

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Subject: [meteorite-list] A Warning


 I wanted to inform to the infiltrator in my group that
 to stop to pass the messages post in my group to
 varied members of this list, besides to the idiot that
 puts the images of its fellow idiotic proud tom in the
 group between little I will know who is seen that I
 have asked to Yahoo of to supply myself all of the
 data of who have put the images.  A time for all, you
 did the cabbages yours ( italian expression )

 Matteo

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Re: [meteorite-list] Virus Warning to Meteorite List

[Pekka Savolainen]

If someone happens to have this not so nice worm, which is
spreading in the  wild, the disinfection tool can be found from;
http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/sobig_f.shtml

take care,

pekka

Mike Groetz wrote:

Hi Everyone-
  The only email I have coming into this Yahoo email
address is that of the meteorite list. Kind of nice
since it is dedicated to meteorites and nothing else-
until today.
  24 messages so far were isolated into the Bulk
spam box- all with the Sobig F virus attached. Look to
be about 98-102K big. Some of the message from
addresses had a reference to this meteorite list.
Thats the scary part.
  So everyone be careful, don't open attachments and
keep your virus scan up to date. 
  Have a good night and take care. Sorry off topic, I
don't mean to be an alarmist- but I have never seen it
like this.

Mike

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Re: [meteorite-list] Virus Warning to Meteorite List

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Hello

I am full of this emails in my ebay email, at 20 for
day
regards

Matteo

--- Pekka Savolainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 If someone happens to have this not so nice worm,
 which is
 spreading in the  wild, the disinfection tool can be
 found from;
 
 http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/sobig_f.shtml
 
 take care,
 
 pekka
 
 Mike Groetz wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone-
The only email I have coming into this Yahoo
 email
 address is that of the meteorite list. Kind of nice
 since it is dedicated to meteorites and nothing
 else-
 until today.
24 messages so far were isolated into the Bulk
 spam box- all with the Sobig F virus attached. Look
 to
 be about 98-102K big. Some of the message from
 addresses had a reference to this meteorite list.
 Thats the scary part.
So everyone be careful, don't open attachments
 and
 keep your virus scan up to date. 
Have a good night and take care. Sorry off
 topic, I
 don't mean to be an alarmist- but I have never seen
 it
 like this.
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Spoof warning Additional, State Parks

[Walter Branch]

Hi Sarah,

Glad to see you made it back okay.  A similar event happened to my wife and
I a few years ago as we were approaching Claxton, GA.  It's a nerve rattling
feeling.

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 Hello list,

 Life is not what it should be in the PayPal world, but that also applies
 to vacations and state parks.

 For those of you going West for vacation fun, as I usually do, the road
 can be hazardous.

 I had always wanted to visit Mt. St. Helens and so my kids and I decided
 to make a vacation out of it.  We went up to see the crater at an
 observation point, then decided to helicopter into the crater to take a
 closer look.  This is REALLY cool. There is actually a small waterfall
 in the crater.  The helicopter guide pointed out some interesting
 features of the area.  Alot of it was definitely more interesting from
 the air.

 Then I decided to take a back road from exit 504 headed to Yakima,
 Washington. So we get on the back side of Mt. St. Helens headed to
 Spirit Lake.  Beautiful, luxurious overgrowth, small waterfalls,
 semi-pristine appearing land.  This was about 7 o'clock at night, still
 had a 3 hour drive ahead.  Still wanted to see the back side, though,
 having driven all the way from Wisconsin to see it all.

 Out of nowhere comes this conversion van with headlights on trying to
 touch my bumper, two big guys driving it. I hit the gas and again it
 does the same thing.  Again and again I hit the gas.  They never touch
 my bumper but try to get me to stop.  In karate they teach you that your
 vehicle can be your weapon, if you do not have others. You never stop or
 put yourself in position to stop.  I took the center of the road where
 they could not get along side of me.  It finally dawned on me that
 car-jacking is real popular along the west coast and they wanted my
 Suburban.  Fortunately it is a modern Suburban, but it also had
 modifications that made it faster then regular Suburbans. We were doing
 hairpin turns from 50-80 in a State Park.  No one else on the road.
 Weird- No, planned on their part.  In areas when we had roaming ability
 from our cell phone, they seemed to back off, but in void areas they
 were persistent.

 Later I found out from researching the web that there are at least 700
 people that are missing in Washington state alone, and 100 unidentified
 bodies.  According to many sources drugs are being grown on state park
 land, and hiking in beautiful places may not be so cool.

 They chased me all the way down the mountain and obviously never got
 me.  I highly recommend fast driving skills through many parts of
 America, unfortunately. I was glad my teenage son was not driving.  (He
 even admits that)  Something like this makes a vacation a NOT vacation.
 I was glad to get home.

 The object of this post is like paypal, even meteorites, sometimes,
 things are not as simple as they should be.  Trust your instincts.  Even
 resorts may not be resorts.  And where is a policeman (or state park
 trooper) when you need one?

 Best,
 Sarah
 Jensan Scientifics/ Science Mall

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 Charles R. Viau wrote:
 
  The thing to remember about messages from PayPal, is that they rarely
  ever send you unsolicited mail, and if they do, there is never a link in
  the message that invokes a login to the site.  If you do ever get a
  message from them requesting information from you, just examine the mail
  header (in Outlook, just right-click on the message in the inbox folder
  and select options). Look at the received: line information and you
  can see if the sender was original, or faked. The real Domain name and
  the IP address of the actual sender will show up linked to any phony or
  forged sender address. Also, never go into PayPal in your browser,
  unless the URL starts with https// (not http//) like in:
  https://www.paypal.com...;  It is almost impossible for hackers like
  this to be able to use SSL to authenticate their bogus web sites.  You
  can prove this by first making sure you disable Active-x and Java
  scripting in your browser, then attempt to invoke the bogus PayPal link.
  The address box in the top of the browser will show http://;, and the
  rest of the URL may start with something like playpal.com followed by
  a bunch of directory entries that wind up pointing you to a bogus ASP
  script that will suck up your password. (you have disabled scripting, so
  the page will not show up the way it normally would).
 
  CharlyV
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Spoof warning Additional, State Parks

[Tom aka James Knudson]

Hello List, AL wrote;  You needed Mr. Smith and Wesson. One shot through
the windshield usually gets most  idiots to back off!!

In today's world, you have to decide, would you rather your family die or
them.  Sarah did the right thing, but you have to even the odds. I will not
go anywhere with my family without my firearm!  But, I am one of the lucky
ones, I live in Arizona, where they care more about there law abiding
citizens than there outlaws!
Thanks, Tom
Peregrineflier 
The proudest member of the IMCA 6168
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From: almitt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Spoof warning Additional, State Parks


 Ahhh Sarah and all,

 You needed Mr. Smith and Wesson. One shot through the windshield usually
gets most
 idiots to back off!! Of course they might have been armed as well but I
think if they
 were they would have used that option. It is a dangerous area for a lot of
reasons.
 Glad you made it back safe and I wouldn't loose sleep over it as it now
makes you more
 experienced and better equipped to handle future events like that.

 Had something similar like that happen to me one time.

 --AL


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Re: [meteorite-list] Spoof warning Additional, State Parks

[almitt]

Ahhh Sarah and all,

You needed Mr. Smith and Wesson. One shot through the windshield usually gets most
idiots to back off!! Of course they might have been armed as well but I think if they
were they would have used that option. It is a dangerous area for a lot of reasons.
Glad you made it back safe and I wouldn't loose sleep over it as it now makes you more
experienced and better equipped to handle future events like that.

Had something similar like that happen to me one time.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Spoof warning Additional, State Parks

[Jensan Scientifics/ Sci-Mall]

Thanks Al.

The kind I recognized them to be - they use knives.  Its quiet. They did
get close enough to guess their nationality.

One additional comment...:)

Sarah

--

almitt wrote:
 
 Ahhh Sarah and all,
 
 You needed Mr. Smith and Wesson. One shot through the windshield usually gets most
 idiots to back off!! Of course they might have been armed as well but I think if they
 were they would have used that option. It is a dangerous area for a lot of reasons.
 Glad you made it back safe and I wouldn't loose sleep over it as it now makes you 
 more
 experienced and better equipped to handle future events like that.
 
 Had something similar like that happen to me one time.
 
 --AL
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Spoof warning Additional, State Parks

[Jensan Scientifics/ Sci-Mall]

Hi again,

Many of you have responded by saying one needs to have firearm backup in
such cases as carjacking, but it is important to remember in the
intracies of things that you should not use anything like that until you
know you are completely at risk.

To law enforcement officials you do not want to look like the
perpetrator.  And never take official action on your own behalf until it
is clear you have no other recourse.

That is all I have to say.  Think safe. Don't panic until it is time
too.  Be careful of areas that might be dangerous.  Meteorites and
exploring can still be a great sport.  You should absolutely get self
defense training if you do high risk things.

Sarah

---

Jensan Scientifics/ Sci-Mall wrote:
 
 Thanks Al.
 
 The kind I recognized them to be - they use knives.  Its quiet. They did
 get close enough to guess their nationality.
 
 One additional comment...:)
 
 Sarah
 
 --
 
 almitt wrote:
 
  Ahhh Sarah and all,
 
  You needed Mr. Smith and Wesson. One shot through the windshield usually gets most
  idiots to back off!! Of course they might have been armed as well but I think if 
  they
  were they would have used that option. It is a dangerous area for a lot of reasons.
  Glad you made it back safe and I wouldn't loose sleep over it as it now makes you 
  more
  experienced and better equipped to handle future events like that.
 
  Had something similar like that happen to me one time.
 
  --AL
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Dealer Warning

[Rosemary Hackney]

OK.. sniff sniff Matteo... I did not win my little purple rock.. you
know the one you warned me about.  snuiff sniff...Just at the moment of
victory and that elusive purple meteorwrong would have been mine..they
pulled the plug on the auction and revoked his auction privileges. sniff
sniff..

But good news the other meteorwrong ..I was asked about it just today..
and as I replied.. since it has made its humble abode in the basement for 50
years, I assumed it is housebroken and will make a very nice, wellbehaved
little pet rock :-)

So..maybe..just maybe... if  Pekka doesn't outbid me...I can put my pet rock
in the feed room to keep my little possum friend company.   :-)

Rosie
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 hello all

 I would appreciate that all the meteorite dealers
 contact to me in private, I must inform them of some
 personages little recommends to you that they try to
 swindle the dealers with false promises.
 Regards

 Matteo


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Re: [meteorite-list] Re - Warning Virus

[John Gwilliam]

At 10:42 PM 5/16/02 -0700, Steven Drummond wrote:
I Want to
thank the list for this information on the virus , I cant remember who
exactly but I do remember something was said about A powerful
tool .
 Tonight I received an email from
 lukeandkim The subject matter was A
Powerful Tool Since I do not
know who lukeandkim are and I remembered the subject line  A
Powerful Tool  I removed this email before it had a chance to do
any harm. Thanks Again ! 

Steven Drummond The Unknown Collector :-)
 

This current virus is a lot more destructive and clandestine than most
folks would like to think. Rather than go into too many details
here, go to the website below and follow the links to the Win32/Klez.H@mm
virus alert. There is great info here. This nasty little
bugger even has it's own email engine!

http://www.ravantivirus.com/

Good Luck to all,

John Gwilliam
John Gwilliam Meteorites
PO Box 26854
Tempe AZ 85285
http://www.meteoriteimpact.com