Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway Rock
Chris and list, No need for personal attacks. - After all wasn't it your good self that said about 'dowsing' many years ago: First off, let me say that all you naysaying dowser denialists need to get off your high horses, come down from your ivory towers and enter the realm of simple, reproducible, empirical evidence-based experimental scientific methodology ... So where's the [scientific] evidence that the video is fake or not fake? - Let's face it, it looks too good to be true BUT we just can't tell! m. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum Sent: 10 April 2014 19:42 To: Meteorite list Subject: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway Rock Chris, You need to install and tune up a bullshit detector. You seem awfully gullible. Plausibly explained by the meteorite hypothesis? Maybe to a moron. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum Then you need to tune up your analysis skills. And your knowledge of meteoritics. The video was not falsified, and is hardly phony. What it shows is plausibly explained by the meteorite hypothesis. Many, perhaps most meteorite falls are not preceded by a significant fireball, and even fewer by acoustics of any sort. I don't hear many people saying there's a reasonable chance this could be a meteorite. I didn't even hear much of that early on. Only that nothing obviously excludes this from being a meteorite. That's a distinction well worth remembering. If this had been trivially rejected from the beginning, no analysis would have been performed, and that would be unfortunate. And that's getting real. Chris __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Sorry that should read: Phil and List, m. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark Ford Sent: 11 April 2014 09:51 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway Rock Chris and list, No need for personal attacks. - After all wasn't it your good self that said about 'dowsing' many years ago: First off, let me say that all you naysaying dowser denialists need to get off your high horses, come down from your ivory towers and enter the realm of simple, reproducible, empirical evidence-based experimental scientific methodology ... So where's the [scientific] evidence that the video is fake or not fake? - Let's face it, it looks too good to be true BUT we just can't tell! m. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum Sent: 10 April 2014 19:42 To: Meteorite list Subject: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway Rock Chris, You need to install and tune up a bullshit detector. You seem awfully gullible. Plausibly explained by the meteorite hypothesis? Maybe to a moron. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum Then you need to tune up your analysis skills. And your knowledge of meteoritics. The video was not falsified, and is hardly phony. What it shows is plausibly explained by the meteorite hypothesis. Many, perhaps most meteorite falls are not preceded by a significant fireball, and even fewer by acoustics of any sort. I don't hear many people saying there's a reasonable chance this could be a meteorite. I didn't even hear much of that early on. Only that nothing obviously excludes this from being a meteorite. That's a distinction well worth remembering. If this had been trivially rejected from the beginning, no analysis would have been performed, and that would be unfortunate. And that's getting real. Chris __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway Rock
The horse is dead! Long live the horse! -Original Message- From: Mark Ford mark.f...@southernscientific.co.uk Sent: Apr 11, 2014 4:52 AM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway Rock Sorry that should read: Phil and List, m. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark Ford Sent: 11 April 2014 09:51 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway Rock Chris and list, No need for personal attacks. - After all wasn't it your good self that said about 'dowsing' many years ago: First off, let me say that all you naysaying dowser denialists need to get off your high horses, come down from your ivory towers and enter the realm of simple, reproducible, empirical evidence-based experimental scientific methodology ... So where's the [scientific] evidence that the video is fake or not fake? - Let's face it, it looks too good to be true BUT we just can't tell! m. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum Sent: 10 April 2014 19:42 To: Meteorite list Subject: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway Rock Chris, You need to install and tune up a bullshit detector. You seem awfully gullible. Plausibly explained by the meteorite hypothesis? Maybe to a moron. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum Then you need to tune up your analysis skills. And your knowledge of meteoritics. The video was not falsified, and is hardly phony. What it shows is plausibly explained by the meteorite hypothesis. Many, perhaps most meteorite falls are not preceded by a significant fireball, and even fewer by acoustics of any sort. I don't hear many people saying there's a reasonable chance this could be a meteorite. I didn't even hear much of that early on. Only that nothing obviously excludes this from being a meteorite. That's a distinction well worth remembering. If this had been trivially rejected from the beginning, no analysis would have been performed, and that would be unfortunate. And that's getting real. Chris __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway Rock
Nah. It ain't dead until Art sings! Ed ;-) - Original Message - From: John Teague volg...@icx.net To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway Rock The horse is dead! Long live the horse! -Original Message- From: Mark Ford mark.f...@southernscientific.co.uk Sent: Apr 11, 2014 4:52 AM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway Rock Sorry that should read: Phil and List, m. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark Ford Sent: 11 April 2014 09:51 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway Rock Chris and list, No need for personal attacks. - After all wasn't it your good self that said about 'dowsing' many years ago: First off, let me say that all you naysaying dowser denialists need to get off your high horses, come down from your ivory towers and enter the realm of simple, reproducible, empirical evidence-based experimental scientific methodology ... So where's the [scientific] evidence that the video is fake or not ake? - Let's face it, it looks too good to be true BUT we just can't tell! m. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum Sent: 10 April 2014 19:42 To: Meteorite list Subject: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway Rock Chris, You need to install and tune up a bullshit detector. You seem awfully gullible. Plausibly explained by the meteorite hypothesis? Maybe to a moron. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum Then you need to tune up your analysis skills. And your knowledge of meteoritics. The video was not falsified, and is hardly phony. What it shows is plausibly explained by the meteorite hypothesis. Many, perhaps most meteorite falls are not preceded by a significant fireball, and even fewer by acoustics of any sort. I don't hear many people saying there's a reasonable chance this could be a meteorite. I didn't even hear much of that early on. Only that nothing obviously excludes this from being a meteorite. That's a distinction well worth remembering. If this had been trivially rejected from the beginning, no analysis would have been performed, and that would be unfortunate. And that's getting real. Chris __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway Rock
Mark, LOL! I still love dowsing even if it is caused by unconscious ideomotor responses. The pseudosciences are a lot of fun. And yes, you're right, name calling is not right. I apologize for that. As we all very well know, the burden of proof is the responsibility of those making the outrageous claim. In this case, ridiculously outrageous. They have absolutely no proof whatsoever of any kind that this is a meteoroid. Just a video of a rock popping out of a deploying parachute. As experienced skydivers, they have to know this is a fairly common occurrence. I've heard on skydiving forums this is more common than you'd think, especially when you do the preliminary packing on the ground outside. The most commonly picked up foreign objects seems to be rocks. A few skydivers claim to have seen videos just like this one. This is starting to look more and more like an elaborate advertising campaign. One of the first experts consulted was Morten Bilet, a meteorite dealer with obvious vested interests. (http://www.geotop.no/storefront.php?c1=601) Pal Brekke, an expert on the sun was also consulted. I can find nothing about his expertise in meteoritics. Not even a reference on Google. Hans Amundsen is the most qualified, but is not an expert on the physics of meteoroid impacts. Where are the University professors and scientists who specialize in this sort of thing? Why weren't they consulted two years ago? Here's what Steinar Midtskogen, a part of the skydiving team has to say: http://news.discovery.com/adventure/extreme-sports/mysterious-object-in-skydiving-video-identified-140410.htm So, everybody gets a ton of free publicity, 15 minutes of fame. (Their time is almost up) The Norwegian gov't gets a free commercial to get their brand out there. They heavily promoted the media event on gov't owned television. I'm sure Morten's meteorite sales are sky high, so it's a win, win for the whole crew. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Mark Ford mark.f...@southernscientific.co.uk To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 4:50:36 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway Rock Chris and list, No need for personal attacks. - After all wasn't it your good self that said about 'dowsing' many years ago: First off, let me say that all you naysaying dowser denialists need to get off your high horses, come down from your ivory towers and enter the realm of simple, reproducible, empirical evidence-based experimental scientific methodology ... So where's the [scientific] evidence that the video is fake or not fake? - Let's face it, it looks too good to be true BUT we just can't tell! m. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum Sent: 10 April 2014 19:42 To: Meteorite list Subject: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway Rock Chris, You need to install and tune up a bullshit detector. You seem awfully gullible. Plausibly explained by the meteorite hypothesis? Maybe to a moron. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum Then you need to tune up your analysis skills. And your knowledge of meteoritics. The video was not falsified, and is hardly phony. What it shows is plausibly explained by the meteorite hypothesis. Many, perhaps most meteorite falls are not preceded by a significant fireball, and even fewer by acoustics of any sort. I don't hear many people saying there's a reasonable chance this could be a meteorite. I didn't even hear much of that early on. Only that nothing obviously excludes this from being a meteorite. That's a distinction well worth remembering. If this had been trivially rejected from the beginning, no analysis would have been performed, and that would be unfortunate. And that's getting real. Chris __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway Rock
http://www.universetoday.com/111076/follow-up-on-skydiving-meteorite-crowdsourcing-concludes-it-was-just-a-rock/ As one of the people who tried to analyse the video before it was made public, let me add a few points: We were stuck, only left with a solution that seemed consistent with the videos, but extremely unlikely. So we went public with the videos and with the only solution that we had, asking for help. And that we got. We considered several scenarious, but could not get them to match the videos, including the debris in the chute scenario. I'd say it was the prime suspect (cf the TV interview), but I'll openly admit that I was totally unable to see how it could match the video unless teleportation was involved. Even with Occam in mind, a meteorite beats teleportation. The main problems with the debris scenario was that the rock appeared several seconds after the chute had been deployed, it was passing fast (also taking into account that it could be close to the lens), it didn't seem to accelerate as expected if it fell out of the chute, and it seemed to fall from above the chute. Our mistake was that we didn't see that debris could fall much slower than the skydiver at first and then overtake him near terminal velocity later. So when an explanation for how this is possible was given (by several people independently), along with Phil Metzger's analysis of the speed/size/distance relations, it took us very little time to accept the new solution. It was clearly the missing possibility that trumps the meteorite. So let's move on. It's safe to say there's no meteorite. -- Steinar __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock
Well one of the parachutists seems to think someone at NASA did debunk it, since they posted a thank you for the help thanking NASA. I guess they are making that up too:) Michael Farmer Phil Metzger, who has in the past extensively modelled falling debris at Shuttle launches, has used his models to analyze the video. He concludes that while a (large) meteorite at distance cannot be fully excluded, the footage is also consistent with a small rock (pebble size: ~3.3 cm) falling out of the parachute: http://tinyurl.com/qglu7vp I agree with Chris: while a meteorite is still a distinct possibility and has therefore not been 100% debunked, the falling pebble from parachute explanation now seems the most likely one. - Marco Dr Marco (183294) Langbroek astero...@langbroek.org http://www.marcolangbroek.nl http://asteroids.marcolangbroek.nl - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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What I find interesting are the comments made on such things at trajectory of the object. As the camera is falling, it is not falling vertically. It is falling at a rate of about 1000 ft per second and gliding too. Because the camera was mounted on the helmet, it's view is whatever way the guy was facing. So, if you take an object, like a baseball and hang it from a string 30 feet in the air and then step back 40' and take a picture of it while standing on a 10 foot ladder, it's going to look small. Then if you take the ladder move it 10 feet closer to the ball and lower the ball from 30 feet to 25 feet and then climb the ladder but take the picture at 3/4 the height of the first picture, you will see the ball is bigger and the angle will be different making it look like it is moving on some arc or curve (in a composite of the two pictures), when all it did was drop vertically. You keep doing that and pretty soon you and the ball will meet and the ball will look bigger than it actually is. So the ball, with a perfectly vertical decent, will not appear to have a vertical decent. One can actually just draw this out with a pencil and paper without the need for a camera! Jim -- Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock
Correction *falling at a rate of about 1000'/min... On 4/10/2014 4:38 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote: What I find interesting are the comments made on such things at trajectory of the object. As the camera is falling, it is not falling vertically. It is falling at a rate of about 1000 ft per second and gliding too. Because the camera was mounted on the helmet, it's view is whatever way the guy was facing. So, if you take an object, like a baseball and hang it from a string 30 feet in the air and then step back 40' and take a picture of it while standing on a 10 foot ladder, it's going to look small. Then if you take the ladder move it 10 feet closer to the ball and lower the ball from 30 feet to 25 feet and then climb the ladder but take the picture at 3/4 the height of the first picture, you will see the ball is bigger and the angle will be different making it look like it is moving on some arc or curve (in a composite of the two pictures), when all it did was drop vertically. You keep doing that and pretty soon you and the ball will meet and the ball will look bigger than it actually is. So the ball, with a perfectly vertical decent, will not appear to have a vertical decent. One can actually just draw this out with a pencil and paper without the need for a camera! Jim -- Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock
One other comment on the matter. Debunk is almost always pejorative, implying that the thing being debunked was fraudulent, or complete rubbish. We debunk astrology. We debunk pseudoscientific claims. But there's nothing to suggest that the original claim was anything other than honest and reasonable- a video that accidentally captured something that might reasonably be interpreted as a falling meteorite. Even if some piece of evidence actually disproved that hypothesis, we should simply say that it was disproved, not debunked. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 4/10/2014 3:03 AM, Marco Langbroek wrote: Phil Metzger, who has in the past extensively modelled falling debris at Shuttle launches, has used his models to analyze the video. He concludes that while a (large) meteorite at distance cannot be fully excluded, the footage is also consistent with a small rock (pebble size: ~3.3 cm) falling out of the parachute: http://tinyurl.com/qglu7vp I agree with Chris: while a meteorite is still a distinct possibility and has therefore not been 100% debunked, the falling pebble from parachute explanation now seems the most likely one. - Marco __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Then you need to tune up your analysis skills. And your knowledge of meteoritics. The video was not falsified, and is hardly phony. What it shows is plausibly explained by the meteorite hypothesis. Many, perhaps most meteorite falls are not preceded by a significant fireball, and even fewer by acoustics of any sort. I don't hear many people saying there's a reasonable chance this could be a meteorite. I didn't even hear much of that early on. Only that nothing obviously excludes this from being a meteorite. That's a distinction well worth remembering. If this had been trivially rejected from the beginning, no analysis would have been performed, and that would be unfortunate. And that's getting real. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 4/10/2014 11:49 AM, Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum wrote: What amazes me about this media stunt is the lack of skepticism from people who should know better. When I saw the video, my first thought was: this is as phony as a three-dollar bill. Anybody with even a lick of common sense should have instantly known this was totally bogus. No bolide, no sonic boom, no smoke trail, no electophonic sound, no recovered meteorite, nothing. There's nothing right about this. Just a video where a small rock pops out of a parachute right after its deployed. Who in their right mind would conclude that it was a meteoroid in dark flight? (Besides the dummy astronomer and physicist.) Even now people are still saying: well there's a reasonable chance it could be real. Yeah right! About the same chance as me winning 10 Olympic gold medals, winning the lottery 10 times in a row, getting elected to the US Senate after being knighted by the Queen of England and then marrying Scarlett Johansson. Get Real, Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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There was nothing ridiculous about it. There still isn't. The Fox News deer video has been debunked (and that's the correct word), however, since the deer were externally illuminated (contrary to the report), and the so-called UFOs can be seen to be nothing more than internal reflections in the optics from the eyes of the deer. No such solid refutation has been produced for the Norway video. In fact, I haven't seen any refutation at all, only evidence for a much more likely scenario. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 4/10/2014 12:34 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: If it had been made public from day one before they built websites and made videos and spent nearly 2 years building the hype for max news publicity and promotion it would hAve been more believable. I find this entire thing ridiculous. I saw a video of some lights shining down of deer the other day, news was viral, I doubt it was aliens but hasn't been disproven either:) It seems to me that some people are invested in this story and will never admit that it is just a pebble from the chute packing. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi everyone. I've been a lurker here for some time. By way of introduction, I'm an astronomer with an interest in geology and meteorites. I have met a few of you in person and purchased meteorites for my small collection from some of you. I've also done some hunting here in southern New Mexico. I should probably just keep my keyboard shut, because when I start typing, trouble often follows. :-) But I have been reading this discussion about the Norway video from the beginning, and I feel compelled to support what Chris has said. As Chris said, there was nothing inherent in the video to make it appear to be a hoax. This is what made it interesting and what made it stand out from the hoaxes you see on Youtube. It was far too easy to simply dismiss it without investigating the circumstances and the people involved. Those who did dismiss it should not feel vindicated by the result, for they contributed nothing to it. In fact, the dismissals seen here of the video without first looking into its details were just as wrong as accepting everything on Youtube to be true. If you don't do the work before you come to a conclusion, then it matters not if you are being naive or cynical. If the truth is what you are interested in, there is only one way to know it; you have to do the hard work and investigation *before* coming to a conclusion. Now that others have done that work, and the true nature of the object has likely been exposed, it is not fair for some to claim that they knew all along it was a fake and to suggest that the people who made an effort to understand the video were somehow duped. That's just plain backwards. Greg -- Greg Crinklaw Astronomical Software Developer Cloudcroft, New Mexico skyhound.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Agree a 1000% Sent from my iPhone On Apr 10, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum dori...@embarqmail.com wrote: What amazes me about this media stunt is the lack of skepticism from people who should know better. When I saw the video, my first thought was: this is as phony as a three-dollar bill. Anybody with even a lick of common sense should have instantly known this was totally bogus. No bolide, no sonic boom, no smoke trail, no electophonic sound, no recovered meteorite, nothing. There's nothing right about this. Just a video where a small rock pops out of a parachute right after its deployed. Who in their right mind would conclude that it was a meteoroid in dark flight? (Besides the dummy astronomer and physicist.) Even now people are still saying: well there's a reasonable chance it could be real. Yeah right! About the same chance as me winning 10 Olympic gold medals, winning the lottery 10 times in a row, getting elected to the US Senate after being knighted by the Queen of England and then marrying Scarlett Johansson. Get Real, Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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If it had been made public from day one before they built websites and made videos and spent nearly 2 years building the hype for max news publicity and promotion it would hAve been more believable. I find this entire thing ridiculous. I saw a video of some lights shining down of deer the other day, news was viral, I doubt it was aliens but hasn't been disproven either:) It seems to me that some people are invested in this story and will never admit that it is just a pebble from the chute packing. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Apr 10, 2014, at 11:27 AM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: Then you need to tune up your analysis skills. And your knowledge of meteoritics. The video was not falsified, and is hardly phony. What it shows is plausibly explained by the meteorite hypothesis. Many, perhaps most meteorite falls are not preceded by a significant fireball, and even fewer by acoustics of any sort. I don't hear many people saying there's a reasonable chance this could be a meteorite. I didn't even hear much of that early on. Only that nothing obviously excludes this from being a meteorite. That's a distinction well worth remembering. If this had been trivially rejected from the beginning, no analysis would have been performed, and that would be unfortunate. And that's getting real. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 4/10/2014 11:49 AM, Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum wrote: What amazes me about this media stunt is the lack of skepticism from people who should know better. When I saw the video, my first thought was: this is as phony as a three-dollar bill. Anybody with even a lick of common sense should have instantly known this was totally bogus. No bolide, no sonic boom, no smoke trail, no electophonic sound, no recovered meteorite, nothing. There's nothing right about this. Just a video where a small rock pops out of a parachute right after its deployed. Who in their right mind would conclude that it was a meteoroid in dark flight? (Besides the dummy astronomer and physicist.) Even now people are still saying: well there's a reasonable chance it could be real. Yeah right! About the same chance as me winning 10 Olympic gold medals, winning the lottery 10 times in a row, getting elected to the US Senate after being knighted by the Queen of England and then marrying Scarlett Johansson. Get Real, Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Can you imagine what that meteorite would be worth if all this was real! It would certainly go down in the history books. BTW, how come NASA has to debunk it? When did they become WASA??? Jim On 4/10/2014 11:17 AM, Shawn Alan wrote: All I have to say is if you collect meteorite wrongs, if someone can find the pebble that was in the video, you will have a cool meteorite wrong to add to your collection. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633nyc/m.html Meteoritefalls.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3882/7327 - Release Date: 04/10/14 -- Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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On 4/10/2014 2:15 PM, Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum wrote: I stand by my conclusion. Anyone who looks at a video showing a pebble popping out of a parachute, then concludes it was a meteoroid in dark flight has been duped. Nobody has made such a conclusion, at least not posted to this forum. For that matter, if you listen carefully, none of the scientists or parachutists involved with the original investigation made such a conclusion either. We all knew it was highly unlikely right from the start. You surely are't alone in that. There seems to be a cultural divide at work here. People love absolutes, but there are few if any absolutes in the real world. Recognizing the possibility exists, however vanishingly small, that this was a meteorite, is how a scientist is trained to report things. That's all Chris was doing. It is an important part of being intellectually honest. The chance may be one in a billion, but that's not the same as zero. The evidence does not yet completely rule out that this rock was a meteorite. Please consider that stating this fact is not the same thing as believing that the rock was a meteorite after all, nor even that there is more than the tiniest chance that it is. Greg -- Greg Crinklaw Astronomical Software Developer Cloudcroft, New Mexico skyhound.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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How am I gullible? From the very beginning I said this was probably not a meteorite. That's still what I say, but now I'm even more confident, given that people familiar with skydiving have provided a reasonable scenario for how a rock could be packed with a parachute. I still accept the possibility of a meteorite for the simple reason that nobody familiar with videography, meteoritics, or the physics of bodies falling in the atmosphere has provided any evidence against that hypothesis. Here's the reality: at this point, we have no certain answer. We have at least three hypotheses: (1) a meteorite in dark flight; (2) a rock accidentally packed with a parachute; (3) a deliberate hoax. While some people might like #3, I see nothing in the demeanor of any of those involved to suggest any such thing, and certainly their ready willingness to accept a prosaic solution argues against a hoax. That leaves #1 and #2. The physical evidence is equally good for either. So the best we can do is ask which is more probable, and that is #2 by a large margin. So a reasonable person will accept that as being the likely explanation. But sometimes, the most likely explanation turns out to be wrong. So only a fool would entirely dismiss #1 given the evidence currently available. I can't help but notice that the people on this list who are trained, professional scientists are the ones who understand this critical distinction between possible and probable; who understand the difference between disproving an theory and simply finding a much better one. Frankly, I think we're the ones with the best tuned BS filters. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 4/10/2014 12:41 PM, Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum wrote: Chris, You need to install and tune up a bullshit detector. You seem awfully gullible. Plausibly explained by the meteorite hypothesis? Maybe to a moron. Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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A quick question about this; sorry if this has been discussed before. I looked at many videos and a few closeups of the rock. I failed to see a fusion crust. Wouldn't there be a fresh one if it had just entered the atmosphere ? Granted, there may be several explanations for this but I was just wondering. Andre __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Did you read that somewhere? Jim On 4/9/2014 3:04 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: So now that the parachute scam has been debunked and now proven to be a rock from the parachute, why has the list gone silent on it? Sent from my iPhone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3882/7321 - Release Date: 04/09/14 -- Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Here's a couple articles: http://norskmeteornettverk.no/wordpress/?p=1497 http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/04/08/skydiving_meteorite_it_was_a_rock.html -Art -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jim Wooddell Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:08 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock Did you read that somewhere? Jim On 4/9/2014 3:04 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: So now that the parachute scam has been debunked and now proven to be a rock from the parachute, why has the list gone silent on it? Sent from my iPhone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3882/7321 - Release Date: 04/09/14 -- Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I'd like to point out that the meteorite explanation has not been debunked, nor has it been proven that it was a rock from the parachute. The falling object is still consistent with a meteorite. What's been demonstrated is that the rock is very plausibly explained as something trapped in the parachute, and given the odds against capturing an image of a falling meteorite, that's by far the most likely possibility. But a meteorite remains a possibility, although not a likely one. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 4/9/2014 4:04 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: So now that the parachute scam has been debunked and now proven to be a rock from the parachute, why has the list gone silent on it? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I've said all along it was something other than a meteoroid. I would have thought one of these math/engineering gurus would have published something about it but nothing. I have yet see an article that I feel is credible on the subject. Jim On 4/9/2014 3:11 PM, Art Jones wrote: Here's a couple articles: http://norskmeteornettverk.no/wordpress/?p=1497 http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/04/08/skydiving_meteorite_it_was_a_rock.html -Art -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jim Wooddell Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:08 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock Did you read that somewhere? Jim On 4/9/2014 3:04 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: So now that the parachute scam has been debunked and now proven to be a rock from the parachute, why has the list gone silent on it? Sent from my iPhone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3882/7321 - Release Date: 04/09/14 -- Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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The thing I find most telling that it was a faked event or a rock fell out of the plane, is that everything I know about people who jump out of airplanes pack their own parachutes. I seriously doubt anyone would accidentally pack a rock into their chute... just my opinion as I have never jumped out of a perfectly good airplane... yet. :) Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Art Jones Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 6:11 PM To: Jim Wooddell ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock Here's a couple articles: http://norskmeteornettverk.no/wordpress/?p=1497 http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/04/08/skydiving_meteorite_it_was_a_rock.html -Art -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jim Wooddell Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:08 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock Did you read that somewhere? Jim On 4/9/2014 3:04 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: So now that the parachute scam has been debunked and now proven to be a rock from the parachute, why has the list gone silent on it? Sent from my iPhone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3882/7321 - Release Date: 04/09/14 -- Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Based on what? Jim On 4/9/2014 3:20 PM, Chris Peterson wrote: snip The falling object is still consistent with a meteorite. snip Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com -- Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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NASA has not debunked it. And the parachutists have only determined a plausible way that a small rock could have ended up in the parachute. As I said, the meteorite hypothesis has not been disproved, only relegated to a sufficiently small likelihood that further investigation is probably unwarranted. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 4/9/2014 4:23 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Actually it seems NASA has debunked it and they parachutists themselves admit it is a stone from the parachute, which I said from moment one. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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The apparent trajectory, size, shape, and albedo are all reasonable for a meteorite. More importantly, none of the physical parameters are inconsistent with a meteorite, so the hypothesis remains valid, simply very unlikely. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 4/9/2014 4:30 PM, Jim Wooddell wrote: Based on what? Jim On 4/9/2014 3:20 PM, Chris Peterson wrote: snip The falling object is still consistent with a meteorite. snip Chris __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Assuming for a moment that it had been debunked, which I do not believe it has yet, what conversation would you expect to see on the list about it? Michael in so. Cal. On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: So now that the parachute scam has been debunked and now proven to be a rock from the parachute, why has the list gone silent on it? Sent from my iPhone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I think it has been debunked...but those that debunked it are not coming out publicly and saying anything. So, if anything is possible, that shinning light on MARS is the Chinese rover everyone thought landed on the moon! Jim On 4/9/2014 3:54 PM, Michael Mulgrew wrote: Assuming for a moment that it had been debunked, which I do not believe it has yet, what conversation would you expect to see on the list about it? Michael in so. Cal. On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: So now that the parachute scam has been debunked and now proven to be a rock from the parachute, why has the list gone silent on it? Sent from my iPhone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3882/7321 - Release Date: 04/09/14 -- Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Well one of the parachutists seems to think someone at NASA did debunk it, since they posted a thank you for the help thanking NASA. I guess they are making that up too:) Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:41 PM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: NASA has not debunked it. And the parachutists have only determined a plausible way that a small rock could have ended up in the parachute. As I said, the meteorite hypothesis has not been disproved, only relegated to a sufficiently small likelihood that further investigation is probably unwarranted. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 4/9/2014 4:23 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Actually it seems NASA has debunked it and they parachutists themselves admit it is a stone from the parachute, which I said from moment one. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Actually it seems NASA has debunked it and they parachutists themselves admit it is a stone from the parachute, which I said from moment one. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:20 PM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: I'd like to point out that the meteorite explanation has not been debunked, nor has it been proven that it was a rock from the parachute. The falling object is still consistent with a meteorite. What's been demonstrated is that the rock is very plausibly explained as something trapped in the parachute, and given the odds against capturing an image of a falling meteorite, that's by far the most likely possibility. But a meteorite remains a possibility, although not a likely one. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 4/9/2014 4:04 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: So now that the parachute scam has been debunked and now proven to be a rock from the parachute, why has the list gone silent on it? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Well, there were a hundred posts when it broke, now that it seems to be un-breaking it goes silent. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:54 PM, Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com wrote: Assuming for a moment that it had been debunked, which I do not believe it has yet, what conversation would you expect to see on the list about it? Michael in so. Cal. On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: So now that the parachute scam has been debunked and now proven to be a rock from the parachute, why has the list gone silent on it? Sent from my iPhone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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The hypothesis has not been debunked by NASA. I hardly think the parachutists are making things up. I just think they're a bit confused about how science works. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 4/9/2014 4:59 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Well one of the parachutists seems to think someone at NASA did debunk it, since they posted a thank you for the help thanking NASA. I guess they are making that up too:) Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Seems pretty normal. While there's still at least a reasonable possibility of a meteorite, I'd expect a lot of chatter among people interested in meteorites. Once it's demonstrated that the meteorite explanation is extremely unlikely, people move on. What's left to discuss? Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 4/9/2014 4:58 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Well, there were a hundred posts when it broke, now that it seems to be un-breaking it goes silent. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:54 PM, Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com wrote: Assuming for a moment that it had been debunked, which I do not believe it has yet, what conversation would you expect to see on the list about it? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Lol! Throw a grant at it and have it due in 5 days and it will be solved! How science works! Jim On 4/9/2014 4:04 PM, Chris Peterson wrote: The hypothesis has not been debunked by NASA. I hardly think the parachutists are making things up. I just think they're a bit confused about how science works. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 4/9/2014 4:59 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Well one of the parachutists seems to think someone at NASA did debunk it, since they posted a thank you for the help thanking NASA. I guess they are making that up too:) Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3882/7321 - Release Date: 04/09/14 -- Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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One thing's for sure, Greg... If at first you don't succeed, so much for skydiving! ;^) Linton - Original Message - From: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock ... just my opinion as I have never jumped out of a perfectly good airplane... yet. :) Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Art Jones Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 6:11 PM To: Jim Wooddell ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock Here's a couple articles: http://norskmeteornettverk.no/wordpress/?p=1497 http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/04/08/skydiving_meteorite_it_was_a_rock.html -Art -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jim Wooddell Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:08 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock Did you read that somewhere? Jim On 4/9/2014 3:04 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: So now that the parachute scam has been debunked and now proven to be a rock from the parachute, why has the list gone silent on it? Sent from my iPhone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3882/7321 - Release Date: 04/09/14 -- Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3882/7321 - Release Date: 04/09/14 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock
I knew it was a rock in his head that fell out of his ear and got caught up in his shute! Cheers Don Merchant - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 5:04 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock So now that the parachute scam has been debunked and now proven to be a rock from the parachute, why has the list gone silent on it? Sent from my iPhone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock
Hi Linton, I did jump off a perfectly good bridge in Nanaimo, BC a very long time ago, but I don't remember catching any loose gravel on the bungy cord on the way towards the river... ;-) I did fulfill that Bucket List item, and then went on to gather really cool rocks! :) Greg -Original Message- From: Linton Rohr Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 8:06 PM To: Greg Hupé ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock One thing's for sure, Greg... If at first you don't succeed, so much for skydiving! ;^) Linton - Original Message - From: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock ... just my opinion as I have never jumped out of a perfectly good airplane... yet. :) Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Art Jones Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 6:11 PM To: Jim Wooddell ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock Here's a couple articles: http://norskmeteornettverk.no/wordpress/?p=1497 http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/04/08/skydiving_meteorite_it_was_a_rock.html -Art -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jim Wooddell Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:08 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock Did you read that somewhere? Jim On 4/9/2014 3:04 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: So now that the parachute scam has been debunked and now proven to be a rock from the parachute, why has the list gone silent on it? Sent from my iPhone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3882/7321 - Release Date: 04/09/14 -- Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3882/7321 - Release Date: 04/09/14 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock
After flying from coast to coast today, imagine my glee with 20 or so post on this topic ... very insightful posts, I might add. I can't wait until the upcoming 'reduction' in ADS that keep cluttering up my INBOX! With tongue fully in cheek ... John -Original Message- From: Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com Sent: Apr 10, 2014 12:45 AM To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com, Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock I knew it was a rock in his head that fell out of his ear and got caught up in his shute! Cheers Don Merchant - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 5:04 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock So now that the parachute scam has been debunked and now proven to be a rock from the parachute, why has the list gone silent on it? Sent from my iPhone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
