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Hola, Everyone should have the benefit of the doubt, but I'm awaiting other photos. Even stones like Bouse and those Mifflins had to have a finder. At the moment, nothing more than suspect. It could have been cleaned strangely or just be a very odd Holbrook. But...when things stick out, it's best to be cautious. Regards, Jason From: Mark Bowling mina...@yahoo.com Date: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com I guess we stand corrected... - Original Message - From: Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com To: Mark Bowling mina...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook The guy that has it for sale just posted that he actually was the one to find it. * Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society IMCA #9052 Sirius Meteorites Node35 - Sentinel All Sky http://spacerocks.weebly.com * -Original Message- From: Mark Bowling Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:21 PM To: meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook I agree with Jason, it doesn't look quite right. It's always hard to tell from photos, but if it looked this way in person, I would not have guessed Holbook. If someone cleans/shines them up, it can really change the look of them. I've found a lot Holbrook and seen a lot taken in the field, and I thought I knew them well. But I was surprised a few years ago at the difference, when I saw one cleaned with chapstick just hours after being found in front of many witnesses. I had to adjust my thinking (I've always left mine as found, dirt and all, and I'm glad I have). But even so, that doesn't really change the thickness of the crust. It just looks strange - it could be a Holbrook that's been handled a lot, like being carried in a pocket (???). Unless you really trust this person, I'd stay away, but that's just me (the seller could be on the up and up). Mark P.S nice finds Jim! From: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook Hello Jim, I see finely textured crust with surface rust. Looks like a Holbrook. I think the lighting of the photo on facebook is throwing you off. It's quite different. Regards, Jason On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jason! So what do you think about this one? http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa325/desertsunburn/IMG_3252.jpg which is a Holbrook found on the 99th Anniversary of the fall. Jim On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:22 PM, jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, Texture's completely off. Newly found Holbrooks can be weathered. but always show a discrete layer of fusion crust that has not been mechanically altered much since 1912. Surface rust, yes. Places where it has chipped off, yes. Contraction cracks...usually. But, little abrasion -- certainly not extensive sand-blasting. The stone pictured has been desert-varnished to the point that it has remnant-crust, or a layer of thin-to-non-existent fusion crust, which, as Mendy notes, is similar to the weathering seen on NWA's. If it's a Holbrook, it's a find from a unique area where the stone has weathered differently from...any other Holbrook I've ever seen. A real one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-11-4-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-90-CRUSTED-/221144642054?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item337d3f7206 Note the fine detail still present on the crust. And again: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-18-6-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-50-CRUSTED-/221144641606?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item337d3f7046 Jim Steele is also offering Buzzard Coulee, Ash Creek, Mifflin and Park Forest. Anyone want to try to get some photos? He could have purchased the Holbrook/other stones, so not trying to point any fingers here. Kudos to Mendy for spotting this one - completely missed it. Regards, Jason From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Date: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook To: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com, Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com I am pretty sure Steve Shoner has found more Holbrook than anyone on the list... Stevewhaddayathink? Of is a photo insufficient To form an opinion? Michael On 10/25/12 8:31 AM, Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com wrote: There is a large 53.3g Holbrook being offered for sale on Facebook that looks a bit weird to me. The seller, Jim Steele, states that he found it in 1998. I do not see
Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook
Great points Jason. I have a Bouse in my collection next to an 869, which has come to be a great conversation starter. The caution flag has certainly been raised and I think we've all been respectful of the finder. For me there are too many great Holbrooks available to take the risk on this one. I'm curious to see other photos. Happy Friday!!! Mark - Original Message - From: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook Hola, Everyone should have the benefit of the doubt, but I'm awaiting other photos. Even stones like Bouse and those Mifflins had to have a finder. At the moment, nothing more than suspect. It could have been cleaned strangely or just be a very odd Holbrook. But...when things stick out, it's best to be cautious. Regards, Jason From: Mark Bowling mina...@yahoo.com Date: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com I guess we stand corrected... - Original Message - From: Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com To: Mark Bowling mina...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook The guy that has it for sale just posted that he actually was the one to find it. * Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society IMCA #9052 Sirius Meteorites Node35 - Sentinel All Sky http://spacerocks.weebly.com * -Original Message- From: Mark Bowling Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:21 PM To: meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook I agree with Jason, it doesn't look quite right. It's always hard to tell from photos, but if it looked this way in person, I would not have guessed Holbook. If someone cleans/shines them up, it can really change the look of them. I've found a lot Holbrook and seen a lot taken in the field, and I thought I knew them well. But I was surprised a few years ago at the difference, when I saw one cleaned with chapstick just hours after being found in front of many witnesses. I had to adjust my thinking (I've always left mine as found, dirt and all, and I'm glad I have). But even so, that doesn't really change the thickness of the crust. It just looks strange - it could be a Holbrook that's been handled a lot, like being carried in a pocket (???). Unless you really trust this person, I'd stay away, but that's just me (the seller could be on the up and up). Mark P.S nice finds Jim! From: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook Hello Jim, I see finely textured crust with surface rust. Looks like a Holbrook. I think the lighting of the photo on facebook is throwing you off. It's quite different. Regards, Jason On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jason! So what do you think about this one? http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa325/desertsunburn/IMG_3252.jpg which is a Holbrook found on the 99th Anniversary of the fall. Jim On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:22 PM, jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, Texture's completely off. Newly found Holbrooks can be weathered. but always show a discrete layer of fusion crust that has not been mechanically altered much since 1912. Surface rust, yes. Places where it has chipped off, yes. Contraction cracks...usually. But, little abrasion -- certainly not extensive sand-blasting. The stone pictured has been desert-varnished to the point that it has remnant-crust, or a layer of thin-to-non-existent fusion crust, which, as Mendy notes, is similar to the weathering seen on NWA's. If it's a Holbrook, it's a find from a unique area where the stone has weathered differently from...any other Holbrook I've ever seen. A real one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-11-4-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-90-CRUSTED-/221144642054?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item337d3f7206 Note the fine detail still present on the crust. And again: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-18-6-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-50-CRUSTED-/221144641606?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item337d3f7046 Jim Steele is also offering Buzzard Coulee, Ash Creek, Mifflin and Park Forest. Anyone want to try to get some photos? He could have purchased the Holbrook/other stones, so not trying to point any fingers here. Kudos to Mendy for spotting this one - completely missed it. Regards, Jason From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Date: Thu, Oct 25
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Hi Mendy...looks right to me. I sent you something off list for comparison. Jim On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com wrote: There is a large 53.3g Holbrook being offered for sale on Facebook that looks a bit weird to me. The seller, Jim Steele, states that he found it in 1998. I do not see contraction cracks or other features that I associate with recently found Holbrooks. It looks like an NWA to me. I know there are true Holbrook experts on this list that could instantly tell, so before I call BS on this offer, I'd like to get a second or third opinion. I know not everyone on this list is on FB, so if you do not have a FB account, I can email you the picture. In case this is real, please PM me and based on responses, I will let everyone know the verdict. http://on.fb.me/P5n9xR Regards, Mendy __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com 928-247-2675 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I am pretty sure Steve Shoner has found more Holbrook than anyone on the list... Stevewhaddayathink? Of is a photo insufficient To form an opinion? Michael On 10/25/12 8:31 AM, Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com wrote: There is a large 53.3g Holbrook being offered for sale on Facebook that looks a bit weird to me. The seller, Jim Steele, states that he found it in 1998. I do not see contraction cracks or other features that I associate with recently found Holbrooks. It looks like an NWA to me. I know there are true Holbrook experts on this list that could instantly tell, so before I call BS on this offer, I'd like to get a second or third opinion. I know not everyone on this list is on FB, so if you do not have a FB account, I can email you the picture. In case this is real, please PM me and based on responses, I will let everyone know the verdict. http://on.fb.me/P5n9xR Regards, Mendy __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello All, Texture's completely off. Newly found Holbrooks can be weathered. but always show a discrete layer of fusion crust that has not been mechanically altered much since 1912. Surface rust, yes. Places where it has chipped off, yes. Contraction cracks...usually. But, little abrasion -- certainly not extensive sand-blasting. The stone pictured has been desert-varnished to the point that it has remnant-crust, or a layer of thin-to-non-existent fusion crust, which, as Mendy notes, is similar to the weathering seen on NWA's. If it's a Holbrook, it's a find from a unique area where the stone has weathered differently from...any other Holbrook I've ever seen. A real one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-11-4-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-90-CRUSTED-/221144642054?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item337d3f7206 Note the fine detail still present on the crust. And again: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-18-6-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-50-CRUSTED-/221144641606?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item337d3f7046 Jim Steele is also offering Buzzard Coulee, Ash Creek, Mifflin and Park Forest. Anyone want to try to get some photos? He could have purchased the Holbrook/other stones, so not trying to point any fingers here. Kudos to Mendy for spotting this one - completely missed it. Regards, Jason From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Date: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook To: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com, Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com I am pretty sure Steve Shoner has found more Holbrook than anyone on the list... Stevewhaddayathink? Of is a photo insufficient To form an opinion? Michael On 10/25/12 8:31 AM, Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com wrote: There is a large 53.3g Holbrook being offered for sale on Facebook that looks a bit weird to me. The seller, Jim Steele, states that he found it in 1998. I do not see contraction cracks or other features that I associate with recently found Holbrooks. It looks like an NWA to me. I know there are true Holbrook experts on this list that could instantly tell, so before I call BS on this offer, I'd like to get a second or third opinion. I know not everyone on this list is on FB, so if you do not have a FB account, I can email you the picture. In case this is real, please PM me and based on responses, I will let everyone know the verdict. http://on.fb.me/P5n9xR Regards, Mendy __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Jason! So what do you think about this one? http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa325/desertsunburn/IMG_3252.jpg which is a Holbrook found on the 99th Anniversary of the fall. Jim On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:22 PM, jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, Texture's completely off. Newly found Holbrooks can be weathered. but always show a discrete layer of fusion crust that has not been mechanically altered much since 1912. Surface rust, yes. Places where it has chipped off, yes. Contraction cracks...usually. But, little abrasion -- certainly not extensive sand-blasting. The stone pictured has been desert-varnished to the point that it has remnant-crust, or a layer of thin-to-non-existent fusion crust, which, as Mendy notes, is similar to the weathering seen on NWA's. If it's a Holbrook, it's a find from a unique area where the stone has weathered differently from...any other Holbrook I've ever seen. A real one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-11-4-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-90-CRUSTED-/221144642054?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item337d3f7206 Note the fine detail still present on the crust. And again: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-18-6-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-50-CRUSTED-/221144641606?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item337d3f7046 Jim Steele is also offering Buzzard Coulee, Ash Creek, Mifflin and Park Forest. Anyone want to try to get some photos? He could have purchased the Holbrook/other stones, so not trying to point any fingers here. Kudos to Mendy for spotting this one - completely missed it. Regards, Jason From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Date: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook To: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com, Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com I am pretty sure Steve Shoner has found more Holbrook than anyone on the list... Stevewhaddayathink? Of is a photo insufficient To form an opinion? Michael On 10/25/12 8:31 AM, Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com wrote: There is a large 53.3g Holbrook being offered for sale on Facebook that looks a bit weird to me. The seller, Jim Steele, states that he found it in 1998. I do not see contraction cracks or other features that I associate with recently found Holbrooks. It looks like an NWA to me. I know there are true Holbrook experts on this list that could instantly tell, so before I call BS on this offer, I'd like to get a second or third opinion. I know not everyone on this list is on FB, so if you do not have a FB account, I can email you the picture. In case this is real, please PM me and based on responses, I will let everyone know the verdict. http://on.fb.me/P5n9xR Regards, Mendy __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com 928-247-2675 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook
Hello Jim, I see finely textured crust with surface rust. Looks like a Holbrook. I think the lighting of the photo on facebook is throwing you off. It's quite different. Regards, Jason On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jason! So what do you think about this one? http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa325/desertsunburn/IMG_3252.jpg which is a Holbrook found on the 99th Anniversary of the fall. Jim On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:22 PM, jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, Texture's completely off. Newly found Holbrooks can be weathered. but always show a discrete layer of fusion crust that has not been mechanically altered much since 1912. Surface rust, yes. Places where it has chipped off, yes. Contraction cracks...usually. But, little abrasion -- certainly not extensive sand-blasting. The stone pictured has been desert-varnished to the point that it has remnant-crust, or a layer of thin-to-non-existent fusion crust, which, as Mendy notes, is similar to the weathering seen on NWA's. If it's a Holbrook, it's a find from a unique area where the stone has weathered differently from...any other Holbrook I've ever seen. A real one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-11-4-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-90-CRUSTED-/221144642054?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item337d3f7206 Note the fine detail still present on the crust. And again: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-18-6-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-50-CRUSTED-/221144641606?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item337d3f7046 Jim Steele is also offering Buzzard Coulee, Ash Creek, Mifflin and Park Forest. Anyone want to try to get some photos? He could have purchased the Holbrook/other stones, so not trying to point any fingers here. Kudos to Mendy for spotting this one - completely missed it. Regards, Jason From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Date: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook To: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com, Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com I am pretty sure Steve Shoner has found more Holbrook than anyone on the list... Stevewhaddayathink? Of is a photo insufficient To form an opinion? Michael On 10/25/12 8:31 AM, Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com wrote: There is a large 53.3g Holbrook being offered for sale on Facebook that looks a bit weird to me. The seller, Jim Steele, states that he found it in 1998. I do not see contraction cracks or other features that I associate with recently found Holbrooks. It looks like an NWA to me. I know there are true Holbrook experts on this list that could instantly tell, so before I call BS on this offer, I'd like to get a second or third opinion. I know not everyone on this list is on FB, so if you do not have a FB account, I can email you the picture. In case this is real, please PM me and based on responses, I will let everyone know the verdict. http://on.fb.me/P5n9xR Regards, Mendy __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com 928-247-2675 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I agree with Jason, it doesn't look quite right. It's always hard to tell from photos, but if it looked this way in person, I would not have guessed Holbook. If someone cleans/shines them up, it can really change the look of them. I've found a lot Holbrook and seen a lot taken in the field, and I thought I knew them well. But I was surprised a few years ago at the difference, when I saw one cleaned with chapstick just hours after being found in front of many witnesses. I had to adjust my thinking (I've always left mine as found, dirt and all, and I'm glad I have). But even so, that doesn't really change the thickness of the crust. It just looks strange - it could be a Holbrook that's been handled a lot, like being carried in a pocket (???). Unless you really trust this person, I'd stay away, but that's just me (the seller could be on the up and up). Mark P.S nice finds Jim! From: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook Hello Jim, I see finely textured crust with surface rust. Looks like a Holbrook. I think the lighting of the photo on facebook is throwing you off. It's quite different. Regards, Jason On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jason! So what do you think about this one? http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa325/desertsunburn/IMG_3252.jpg which is a Holbrook found on the 99th Anniversary of the fall. Jim On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:22 PM, jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, Texture's completely off. Newly found Holbrooks can be weathered. but always show a discrete layer of fusion crust that has not been mechanically altered much since 1912. Surface rust, yes. Places where it has chipped off, yes. Contraction cracks...usually. But, little abrasion -- certainly not extensive sand-blasting. The stone pictured has been desert-varnished to the point that it has remnant-crust, or a layer of thin-to-non-existent fusion crust, which, as Mendy notes, is similar to the weathering seen on NWA's. If it's a Holbrook, it's a find from a unique area where the stone has weathered differently from...any other Holbrook I've ever seen. A real one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-11-4-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-90-CRUSTED-/221144642054?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item337d3f7206 Note the fine detail still present on the crust. And again: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-18-6-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-50-CRUSTED-/221144641606?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item337d3f7046 Jim Steele is also offering Buzzard Coulee, Ash Creek, Mifflin and Park Forest. Anyone want to try to get some photos? He could have purchased the Holbrook/other stones, so not trying to point any fingers here. Kudos to Mendy for spotting this one - completely missed it. Regards, Jason From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Date: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook To: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com, Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com I am pretty sure Steve Shoner has found more Holbrook than anyone on the list... Stevewhaddayathink? Of is a photo insufficient To form an opinion? Michael On 10/25/12 8:31 AM, Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com wrote: There is a large 53.3g Holbrook being offered for sale on Facebook that looks a bit weird to me. The seller, Jim Steele, states that he found it in 1998. I do not see contraction cracks or other features that I associate with recently found Holbrooks. It looks like an NWA to me. I know there are true Holbrook experts on this list that could instantly tell, so before I call BS on this offer, I'd like to get a second or third opinion. I know not everyone on this list is on FB, so if you do not have a FB account, I can email you the picture. In case this is real, please PM me and based on responses, I will let everyone know the verdict. http://on.fb.me/P5n9xR Regards, Mendy __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com 928-247
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The guy that has it for sale just posted that he actually was the one to find it. * Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society IMCA #9052 Sirius Meteorites Node35 - Sentinel All Sky http://spacerocks.weebly.com * -Original Message- From: Mark Bowling Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:21 PM To: meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook I agree with Jason, it doesn't look quite right. It's always hard to tell from photos, but if it looked this way in person, I would not have guessed Holbook. If someone cleans/shines them up, it can really change the look of them. I've found a lot Holbrook and seen a lot taken in the field, and I thought I knew them well. But I was surprised a few years ago at the difference, when I saw one cleaned with chapstick just hours after being found in front of many witnesses. I had to adjust my thinking (I've always left mine as found, dirt and all, and I'm glad I have). But even so, that doesn't really change the thickness of the crust. It just looks strange - it could be a Holbrook that's been handled a lot, like being carried in a pocket (???). Unless you really trust this person, I'd stay away, but that's just me (the seller could be on the up and up). Mark P.S nice finds Jim! From: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook Hello Jim, I see finely textured crust with surface rust. Looks like a Holbrook. I think the lighting of the photo on facebook is throwing you off. It's quite different. Regards, Jason On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jason! So what do you think about this one? http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa325/desertsunburn/IMG_3252.jpg which is a Holbrook found on the 99th Anniversary of the fall. Jim On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:22 PM, jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, Texture's completely off. Newly found Holbrooks can be weathered. but always show a discrete layer of fusion crust that has not been mechanically altered much since 1912. Surface rust, yes. Places where it has chipped off, yes. Contraction cracks...usually. But, little abrasion -- certainly not extensive sand-blasting. The stone pictured has been desert-varnished to the point that it has remnant-crust, or a layer of thin-to-non-existent fusion crust, which, as Mendy notes, is similar to the weathering seen on NWA's. If it's a Holbrook, it's a find from a unique area where the stone has weathered differently from...any other Holbrook I've ever seen. A real one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-11-4-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-90-CRUSTED-/221144642054?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item337d3f7206 Note the fine detail still present on the crust. And again: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-18-6-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-50-CRUSTED-/221144641606?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item337d3f7046 Jim Steele is also offering Buzzard Coulee, Ash Creek, Mifflin and Park Forest. Anyone want to try to get some photos? He could have purchased the Holbrook/other stones, so not trying to point any fingers here. Kudos to Mendy for spotting this one - completely missed it. Regards, Jason From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Date: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook To: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com, Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com I am pretty sure Steve Shoner has found more Holbrook than anyone on the list... Stevewhaddayathink? Of is a photo insufficient To form an opinion? Michael On 10/25/12 8:31 AM, Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com wrote: There is a large 53.3g Holbrook being offered for sale on Facebook that looks a bit weird to me. The seller, Jim Steele, states that he found it in 1998. I do not see contraction cracks or other features that I associate with recently found Holbrooks. It looks like an NWA to me. I know there are true Holbrook experts on this list that could instantly tell, so before I call BS on this offer, I'd like to get a second or third opinion. I know not everyone on this list is on FB, so if you do not have a FB account, I can email you the picture. In case this is real, please PM me and based on responses, I will let everyone know the verdict. http://on.fb.me/P5n9xR Regards, Mendy __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook
I guess we stand corrected... - Original Message - From: Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com To: Mark Bowling mina...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook The guy that has it for sale just posted that he actually was the one to find it. * Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society IMCA #9052 Sirius Meteorites Node35 - Sentinel All Sky http://spacerocks.weebly.com * -Original Message- From: Mark Bowling Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:21 PM To: meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook I agree with Jason, it doesn't look quite right. It's always hard to tell from photos, but if it looked this way in person, I would not have guessed Holbook. If someone cleans/shines them up, it can really change the look of them. I've found a lot Holbrook and seen a lot taken in the field, and I thought I knew them well. But I was surprised a few years ago at the difference, when I saw one cleaned with chapstick just hours after being found in front of many witnesses. I had to adjust my thinking (I've always left mine as found, dirt and all, and I'm glad I have). But even so, that doesn't really change the thickness of the crust. It just looks strange - it could be a Holbrook that's been handled a lot, like being carried in a pocket (???). Unless you really trust this person, I'd stay away, but that's just me (the seller could be on the up and up). Mark P.S nice finds Jim! From: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook Hello Jim, I see finely textured crust with surface rust. Looks like a Holbrook. I think the lighting of the photo on facebook is throwing you off. It's quite different. Regards, Jason On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jason! So what do you think about this one? http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa325/desertsunburn/IMG_3252.jpg which is a Holbrook found on the 99th Anniversary of the fall. Jim On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:22 PM, jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, Texture's completely off. Newly found Holbrooks can be weathered. but always show a discrete layer of fusion crust that has not been mechanically altered much since 1912. Surface rust, yes. Places where it has chipped off, yes. Contraction cracks...usually. But, little abrasion -- certainly not extensive sand-blasting. The stone pictured has been desert-varnished to the point that it has remnant-crust, or a layer of thin-to-non-existent fusion crust, which, as Mendy notes, is similar to the weathering seen on NWA's. If it's a Holbrook, it's a find from a unique area where the stone has weathered differently from...any other Holbrook I've ever seen. A real one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-11-4-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-90-CRUSTED-/221144642054?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item337d3f7206 Note the fine detail still present on the crust. And again: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-18-6-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-50-CRUSTED-/221144641606?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item337d3f7046 Jim Steele is also offering Buzzard Coulee, Ash Creek, Mifflin and Park Forest. Anyone want to try to get some photos? He could have purchased the Holbrook/other stones, so not trying to point any fingers here. Kudos to Mendy for spotting this one - completely missed it. Regards, Jason From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Date: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook To: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com, Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com I am pretty sure Steve Shoner has found more Holbrook than anyone on the list... Stevewhaddayathink? Of is a photo insufficient To form an opinion? Michael On 10/25/12 8:31 AM, Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com wrote: There is a large 53.3g Holbrook being offered for sale on Facebook that looks a bit weird to me. The seller, Jim Steele, states that he found it in 1998. I do not see contraction cracks or other features that I associate with recently found Holbrooks. It looks like an NWA to me. I know there are true Holbrook experts on this list that could instantly tell, so before I call BS on this offer, I'd like to get a second or third opinion. I know not everyone on this list is on FB, so if you do not have a FB account, I can email you the picture. In case this is real, please PM me and based on responses, I will let everyone know the verdict. http://on.fb.me/P5n9xR Regards, Mendy
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And I forgot to correct myself about the large cool piece in Jim's link. It is the big one Richard Garcia found on the 99th hunt. I got to hold it the last couple years - an amazing piece indeed! Congratulations again Richard and happy hunting! Mark - Original Message - From: Mark Bowling mina...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook I guess we stand corrected... - Original Message - From: Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com To: Mark Bowling mina...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook The guy that has it for sale just posted that he actually was the one to find it. * Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society IMCA #9052 Sirius Meteorites Node35 - Sentinel All Sky http://spacerocks.weebly.com * -Original Message- From: Mark Bowling Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:21 PM To: meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook I agree with Jason, it doesn't look quite right. It's always hard to tell from photos, but if it looked this way in person, I would not have guessed Holbook. If someone cleans/shines them up, it can really change the look of them. I've found a lot Holbrook and seen a lot taken in the field, and I thought I knew them well. But I was surprised a few years ago at the difference, when I saw one cleaned with chapstick just hours after being found in front of many witnesses. I had to adjust my thinking (I've always left mine as found, dirt and all, and I'm glad I have). But even so, that doesn't really change the thickness of the crust. It just looks strange - it could be a Holbrook that's been handled a lot, like being carried in a pocket (???). Unless you really trust this person, I'd stay away, but that's just me (the seller could be on the up and up). Mark P.S nice finds Jim! From: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook Hello Jim, I see finely textured crust with surface rust. Looks like a Holbrook. I think the lighting of the photo on facebook is throwing you off. It's quite different. Regards, Jason On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jason! So what do you think about this one? http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa325/desertsunburn/IMG_3252.jpg which is a Holbrook found on the 99th Anniversary of the fall. Jim On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:22 PM, jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, Texture's completely off. Newly found Holbrooks can be weathered. but always show a discrete layer of fusion crust that has not been mechanically altered much since 1912. Surface rust, yes. Places where it has chipped off, yes. Contraction cracks...usually. But, little abrasion -- certainly not extensive sand-blasting. The stone pictured has been desert-varnished to the point that it has remnant-crust, or a layer of thin-to-non-existent fusion crust, which, as Mendy notes, is similar to the weathering seen on NWA's. If it's a Holbrook, it's a find from a unique area where the stone has weathered differently from...any other Holbrook I've ever seen. A real one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-11-4-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-90-CRUSTED-/221144642054?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item337d3f7206 Note the fine detail still present on the crust. And again: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-18-6-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-50-CRUSTED-/221144641606?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item337d3f7046 Jim Steele is also offering Buzzard Coulee, Ash Creek, Mifflin and Park Forest. Anyone want to try to get some photos? He could have purchased the Holbrook/other stones, so not trying to point any fingers here. Kudos to Mendy for spotting this one - completely missed it. Regards, Jason From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Date: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook To: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com, Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com I am pretty sure Steve Shoner has found more Holbrook than anyone on the list... Stevewhaddayathink? Of is a photo insufficient To form an opinion? Michael On 10/25/12 8:31 AM, Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com wrote: There is a large 53.3g Holbrook being offered for sale on Facebook that looks a bit weird to me. The seller, Jim Steele, states that he found it in 1998. I do not see contraction cracks or other features that I associate
