Re: [meteorite-list] Question about Falls?

[Finbarr Connolly via Meteorite-list]

"September 26, 1939: Glanggang (H5-6, Indonesia) – Selakopi (H5,
Indonesia)"

those two locations are only 30 miles apart... on the same day... can they
really be separate falls?

F.

On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 9:42 PM Anne Black via Meteorite-list <
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> Since a few people (very few!  just 2!!) have answered, here is what I
> have found, using only official meteorites:
>
> August 25, 1865: Aumale (L6, Algeria) – Shergotty (Shergottite, India)
> June 30, 1908: Tunguska (unknown, Russia) – Kagarlyk (L6, Ukraine)
> August 28, 1925: Ellemeet (Diogenite, Netherlands) – Lanzenkirchen (L4,
> Austria)
> August 8, 1933: Sioux County (Eucrite, Nebraska) - Repeev-Khutor (Iron
> IIF, Russia)
> September 26, 1939: Glanggang (H5-6, Indonesia) – Selakopi (H5, Indonesia)
> September 17, 1945: Atoka (L6, Oklahoma) – Soroti (Iron OFF, Uganda)
> September 21, 1949: Akaba (L6, Jordan) – Beddgelert (H5, Wales UK)
> August 14, 1962: Bogou (Iron IAB, Burkina Faso) - Sao Jose do Rio Preto
> (H4, Brazil)
> October 30, 1994: Devri-Khera (L6, India) – Lohawat (Howardite, India)
> July 21, 2002: Kilabo (LL6, Nigeria) – Thuathe (H4/5, Lesotho)
> March 1, 2009: Cartersville (L5, Georgia) – Nkayi (L6, Kenya).
>
> And now I'll add one to the list: Parauapedes - Mahbas Arraid.
> Thank you.
>
> Anne Black
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>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Finbarr Connolly via Meteorite-list <
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com <
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Sat, May 15, 2021 3:59 pm
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question about Falls?
>
> Anne, I cheated and just went to Mike's site for the other two 21st
> century coincidental falls -
>
> Dec 09, 2013 - Parauapebes (H4-5 chondrite) : Brazil (Hammer)
> Dec 09, 2013 - Mahbas Arraid (LL6 chondrite) : Western Sahara
>
> and
>
> Mar 01, 2009 - Cartersville (L5 chondrite) : Georgia USA (Hammer)
> Mar 01, 2009 - Nkayi (L6 chondrite) : Zimbabwe
>
> even the former of those is not watertight as the stones were discovered 9
> months after the fall...
>
> There is also Glendale and Benenitra on July 27, 2018 but Glendale is
> unofficial.
>
> Yes I'm lazy but actually it might be an idea for an additional filter in
> the database...
>
> Best regards,
> Finbarr.
>
> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 12:47 PM Anne Black via Meteorite-list <
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>
> A meteorite Collector I know asked me an interesting question:
> We know that Kilabo and Thuathe fell on the same day of the same year, but
> is that the only time this happened?
> So I did some research and I found 9 other cases of 2 meteorites coming
> from different meteors (different classification) but falling on the same
> day of the same year. I could tell you which ones but that wouldn't be any
> fun. Wouldn't you rather search a bit and see if I missed any?
> I'll tell you what I found in a few days.
> Enjoy the search.
>
> Anne Black
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question about Falls?

[Anne Black via Meteorite-list]

Since a few people (very few!  just 2!!) have answered, here is what I have 
found, using only official meteorites: 
August 25, 1865: Aumale (L6, Algeria) – Shergotty (Shergottite, India)June 30, 
1908: Tunguska (unknown, Russia) – Kagarlyk (L6, Ukraine)August 28, 1925: 
Ellemeet (Diogenite, Netherlands) – Lanzenkirchen (L4, Austria)August 8, 1933: 
Sioux County (Eucrite, Nebraska) - Repeev-Khutor (Iron IIF, Russia)September 
26, 1939: Glanggang (H5-6, Indonesia) – Selakopi (H5, Indonesia)September 17, 
1945: Atoka (L6, Oklahoma) – Soroti (Iron OFF, Uganda)September 21, 1949: Akaba 
(L6, Jordan) – Beddgelert (H5, Wales UK)August 14, 1962: Bogou (Iron IAB, 
Burkina Faso) - Sao Jose do Rio Preto (H4, Brazil)October 30, 1994: Devri-Khera 
(L6, India) – Lohawat (Howardite, India)July 21, 2002: Kilabo (LL6, Nigeria) – 
Thuathe (H4/5, Lesotho)March 1, 2009: Cartersville (L5, Georgia) – Nkayi (L6, 
Kenya).  
And now I'll add one to the list: Parauapedes - Mahbas Arraid.  Thank you.

Anne blackimpactika.comimpact...@aol.com


-Original Message-
From: Finbarr Connolly via Meteorite-list 
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Sent: Sat, May 15, 2021 3:59 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question about Falls?

Anne, I cheated and just went to Mike's site for the other two 21st century 
coincidental falls -
Dec 09, 2013 - Parauapebes (H4-5 chondrite) : Brazil (Hammer) Dec 09, 2013 - 
Mahbas Arraid (LL6 chondrite) : Western Sahara

and 
Mar 01, 2009 - Cartersville (L5 chondrite) : Georgia USA (Hammer) Mar 01, 2009 
- Nkayi (L6 chondrite) : Zimbabwe

even the former of those is not watertight as the stones were discovered 9 
months after the fall...
There is also Glendale and Benenitra on July 27, 2018 but Glendale is 
unofficial.
Yes I'm lazy but actually it might be an idea for an additional filter in the 
database...
Best regards,Finbarr.
On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 12:47 PM Anne Black via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:

A meteorite Collector I know asked me an interesting question:We know that 
Kilabo and Thuathe fell on the same day of the same year, but is that the only 
time this happened?So I did some research and I found 9 other cases of 2 
meteorites coming from different meteors (different classification) but falling 
on the same day of the same year. I could tell you which ones but that wouldn't 
be any fun. Wouldn't you rather search a bit and see if I missed any? I'll tell 
you what I found in a few days. Enjoy the search.
Anne blackimpactika.comimpact...@aol.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question about Falls?

[Finbarr Connolly via Meteorite-list]

Anne, I cheated and just went to Mike's site for the other two 21st century
coincidental falls -

Dec 09, 2013 - Parauapebes (H4-5 chondrite) : Brazil (Hammer)
Dec 09, 2013 - Mahbas Arraid (LL6 chondrite) : Western Sahara

and

Mar 01, 2009 - Cartersville (L5 chondrite) : Georgia USA (Hammer)
Mar 01, 2009 - Nkayi (L6 chondrite) : Zimbabwe

even the former of those is not watertight as the stones were discovered 9
months after the fall...

There is also Glendale and Benenitra on July 27, 2018 but Glendale is
unofficial.

Yes I'm lazy but actually it might be an idea for an additional filter in
the database...

Best regards,
Finbarr.

On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 12:47 PM Anne Black via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

> A meteorite Collector I know asked me an interesting question:
> We know that Kilabo and Thuathe fell on the same day of the same year, but
> is that the only time this happened?
> So I did some research and I found 9 other cases of 2 meteorites coming
> from different meteors (different classification) but falling on the same
> day of the same year. I could tell you which ones but that wouldn't be any
> fun. Wouldn't you rather search a bit and see if I missed any?
> I'll tell you what I found in a few days.
> Enjoy the search.
>
> Anne Black
> IMPACTIKA.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question about illustration of the structures in iron meteorites

[almitt2--- via Meteorite-list]

 Hi Paolo Conte,

 I would suggest the Handbook of Iron Meteorites.

 Here is a PDF but don't know if they have the graphics in it.


https://evols.library.manoa.hawaii.edu/bitstream/10524/33757/5/vol1-pre%28LO%29.pdf


https://evols.library.manoa.hawaii.edu/bitstream/handle/10524/35664/vol2-Camp-CanyC(LO).pdf

 https://evols.library.manoa.hawaii.edu/bitstream/10524/35860/1/vol3-apre.pdf

 Best!

 --AL Mitterling

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 Quoting PAOLO CONTE via Meteorite-list :


Hello Listers

Does anyone know a book or article that graphically illustrates with
drawings (1) the arrangement of taenite and kamacite in metallic meteorites
and (2) the disposition of the Neumann lines with respect to the crystal
lattice of ataxites or coarsest octahedrites?  I never found anything. Only
words that leave little to imagine.

Thanks for your help.

Paolo Conte (IMCA #6037)




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Re: [meteorite-list] Question about meteorite rings

[Walter Paleski via Meteorite-list]

The Gibeon and Seymchan meteorites tend to be naturally rust-resistant, so 
while hand washing and showering with Gibeon jewelry is, in our experience, not 
a problem. 


> On Dec 22, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Laura Atkins via Meteorite-list 
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> Hello Rob!
> 
> I have one that I wear from time to time.  Nothing too expensive as it has a 
> Campo in the setting.  I’ve had it a few years, and no rust as of yet.
> 
> Regards,
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> Subject: [meteorite-list] Question about meteorite rings
> 
> Hello all
> 
> Anyone out there routinely wear a meteorite ring. If so is rust an issue.
> 
> Any sellers hear complaints down the road?
> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question about meteorite rings

[Laura Atkins via Meteorite-list]

Hello Rob!

I have one that I wear from time to time.  Nothing too expensive as it has a 
Campo in the setting.  I’ve had it a few years, and no rust as of yet.

Regards,
Laura Atkins

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Question about meteorite rings

Hello all

Anyone out there routinely wear a meteorite ring. If so is rust an issue.

Any sellers hear complaints down the road?


Rob Wesel 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Question about meteorite rings

[Greg Frazier via Meteorite-list]

I wore a Gibeon for years with no trouble at all.
Greg

 

 

 

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Sent: Wed, Dec 21, 2016 9:51 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question about meteorite rings

Hello all

Anyone out there routinely wear a meteorite ring. If so is rust an issue.

Any sellers hear complaints down the road?


Rob Wesel 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Question about meteorite rings

[Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list]

Hi Rob,

I made my (and my wife's) wedding rings from Gibeon. We have no rust issues
at all. I had an experience with a Gibeon ring where it turned the skin
under the ring brownish. I didn't want that feature in my wedding ring. When
I made the wedding rings I "lined" them with gold. It worked and I have
never had any skin reactions from my ring.

Thanks,

Peter

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Question about meteorite rings

Hello all

Anyone out there routinely wear a meteorite ring. If so is rust an issue.

Any sellers hear complaints down the road?


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Re: [meteorite-list] Question

[Rick Montgomery via Meteorite-list]

Ceres

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Question

Hello List,
Does Anyone know where Carl Agee is?  I can't seem to make contact with him.
Thanks,
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question about Norites - Lunar and Diogenite

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Hi Mike:

Norite is a generic petrologic term for an igneous mafic rock that has
primarily orthopyroxene + plagioclase and little or no clinopyroxene.
Norites occur on Earth, the Moon, and the HED parent body (as you call
Vestan). HED norites are in fact a type of diogenite. Geochemically
there is no way you can confuse a HED norite with a lunar norite. For
one thing they have totally different Fe/Mn, and of course the oxygen
isotopes are totally different.

Hope this helps.

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>
> I was looking at Norites recently, and I came across the only
> lunar-origin Norite, the lunaite NWA 773.  I had no knowledge of NWA
> 773 prior to stumbling across it's Noritic connection.
>
> The visual similarities between lunar norite and Vestan norite are
> apparent. I am assuming the major differences are noted in chemistry.
> Do lunar and Vestan norites share any other characteristics that might
> blur the line between their respective parent bodies?  In other words,
> are these two types of norites so closely related that their may be
> some room for reconsideration when it comes to their parent body
> origins?  (i.e., possible they came from the same body, or a noritic
> body impact on the parent, etc)
>
> Best regards,
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question about Norites - Lunar and Diogenite

[Greg Hupé via Meteorite-list]

Hi Mike and List,

NWA 773 (and all of its pairings, including my NWA 7007) can be seen on 
Randy Korotev's lunar meteorite web site. This clan of lunaites is far more 
complex than originally thought before all of the [launch-paired] meteorites 
were discovered... http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/nwa0773.htm


There are quite a few abstracts published on these, especially a lot of work 
performed on NWA 7007 at Washington University in St. Louis... For example: 
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2013/pdf/3013.pdf


Best Regards,
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Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 12:41 PM
To: Meteorite List
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question about Norites - Lunar and Diogenite

Hi List,

I was looking at Norites recently, and I came across the only
lunar-origin Norite, the lunaite NWA 773.  I had no knowledge of NWA
773 prior to stumbling across it's Noritic connection.

The visual similarities between lunar norite and Vestan norite are
apparent. I am assuming the major differences are noted in chemistry.
Do lunar and Vestan norites share any other characteristics that might
blur the line between their respective parent bodies?  In other words,
are these two types of norites so closely related that their may be
some room for reconsideration when it comes to their parent body
origins?  (i.e., possible they came from the same body, or a noritic
body impact on the parent, etc)

Best regards,

MikeG

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Re: [meteorite-list] Question about the chemistry of the Martian atmosphere and Martian meteorites

[Carl Agee]

MikeG,

Really good question! When you look at the data there are actually
few, if any, martian meteorites that are a perfect match for noble gas
isotopes of Viking. They tend to be a mixture of Viking and Earth
atmosphere, and there are spallation effects for Ar-isotopes. It has
been proposed that ALH 84001 contains ancient martian atmosphere that
is different from Viking, especially for Xe. However NWA 7034, which
is also ancient (albeit a breccia), has some of the most Viking-like
noble gas values. This is not my field so I am treading on thin ice
perhaps, but I would say that the picture is still not clear and Earth
contamination is always a factor. Also, it is possible that some of
the atmospheric gases were implanted at the time of impact that
launched the material off Mars (i.e. recent).

Carl Agee
*
Carl B. Agee
Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
MSC03 2050
University of New Mexico
Albuquerque NM 87131-1126

Tel: (505) 750-7172
Fax: (505) 277-3577
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On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks
 wrote:
> Hi List,
>
> The CRE of the various Martian meteorites ranges from just under one
> million years to almost twenty million years.  In terms of overall
> geologic history, this is a recent window of impact events that has
> produced the Martian meteorites in our collections.
>
> Scientists have confirmed the Martian origin of these meteorites by
> analyzing trapped atmospheric gases inside the meteorites.  However,
> the composition of the trapped gases is being compared against very
> recent data (starting with Viking).
>
> Does this mean that the Martian atmosphere has not changed in millions
> of years?  Or, do the analyses take into account observed/theorized
> changes in the atmospheric chemistry?
>
> I am a little unclear on this.
>
> Best regards,
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question re Ad: EXTRA RARE FALLS - Peekskill, New Concord, Barwell, Parnallee, and many more!

[Ruben Garcia]

Hi Steve,

I think you may have a point. However, in this case Michael is correct.

This is what happens when you're heading out the door for Tucson to
hand deliver meteorites and decide to quickly list some specimens on
eBay by using an old listing. It's usually done very quickly and can
be a great time saver - simply click on sell similar- and just change
the photos and the weight. In this case I didn't proof read the ad.

I just returned home and corrected the problem.



On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Steve Dunklee  wrote:
> I believe nearly all meteorites in some way ar oriented , some more than
> others. What would be truly rare would be an unoriented meteorite with
> nearly all secondary or no fusion crust.
> cheersa
>  Steve
>
> From: Michael Blood 
> To: Ruben Garcia ; Meteorite List
> 
> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 6:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question re Ad: EXTRA RARE FALLS - Peekskill,
> New Concord, Barwell, Parnallee, and many more!
>
> Hi Rubin,
> Please allow me to express cicely that in bringing up this issue
> There is no personal criticism intended, whatsoeverthe issue is
> Restricted entirely to the subject of the definition of "orientation."
> Knowing you are a respected and accomplished member of the
> meteorite community and having concluded from personal interaction
> That your honesty and integrity are unquestionable I was very surprised
> to read your description of the NWA 859 specimen included, "oriented."
> Please tell me what, exactly do you see that I am missing that
> Would make you describe this specimen (advertized below) as "oriented?"
> I can only conclude one of two possibilities is at work: 1) I lack a
> complete understanding of what constitutes orientation or 2) there was an
> unintended error in composing the description. (perhaps there is a 3rd
> explanation?)
> I see none of the aspects indicative of orientation - but I may be
> missing something? Perhaps the use of the term "oriented" was a clerical
> error? Perhaps there were photos showing aspects of orientation that did
> Not get posted with the ad?
> RSVP
> Thanks, Michael
>
>
> On 1/18/14 10:03 AM, "Ruben Garcia"  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just listed - NO RESERVE AUCTIONS
>>
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/sch/mr-meteorite/m.html?item=221356302301&pt=LH_DefaultDom
>> ain_0&hash=item3389dd1fdd&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
>>
>> FOR MORE  SERIOUS COLLECTORS
>>
>> (NOT ON EBAY) former Bob Haag Ensisheim, and large Peekskill, larger
>> New Concord, etc...
>> Email for photos and Prices
>>
>>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question re Ad: EXTRA RARE FALLS - Peekskill, New Concord, Barwell, Parnallee, and many more!

[Michael Blood]

Hi Rubin,
Please allow me to express cicely that in bringing up this issue
There is no personal criticism intended, whatsoeverthe issue is
Restricted entirely to the subject of the definition of "orientation."
Knowing you are a respected and accomplished member of the
meteorite community and having concluded from personal interaction
That your honesty and integrity are unquestionable I was very surprised
to read your description of the NWA 859 specimen included, "oriented."
Please tell me what, exactly do you see that I am missing that
Would make you describe this specimen (advertized below) as "oriented?"
I can only conclude one of two possibilities is at work: 1) I lack a
complete understanding of what constitutes orientation or 2) there was an
unintended error in composing the description. (perhaps there is a 3rd
explanation?)
I see none of the aspects indicative of orientation - but I may be
missing something? Perhaps the use of the term "oriented" was a clerical
error? Perhaps there were photos showing aspects of orientation that did
Not get posted with the ad?
RSVP
Thanks, Michael


On 1/18/14 10:03 AM, "Ruben Garcia"  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Just listed - NO RESERVE AUCTIONS
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/sch/mr-meteorite/m.html?item=221356302301&pt=LH_DefaultDom
> ain_0&hash=item3389dd1fdd&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
> 
> FOR MORE  SERIOUS COLLECTORS
> 
> (NOT ON EBAY) former Bob Haag Ensisheim, and large Peekskill, larger
> New Concord, etc...
> Email for photos and Prices
> 
> 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Question about Impact Glass from Crooked Creek

[b1dunovant]

Hello Robert,

Again, thank you for your reply and incormation regarding Crooked
Creek. 

I initially thought it was slag as well as it didn't fit with the
materials I
had found and documemted at the site, but then I recovered a large
specimen of
the same glass however it was transitioning from rock which has a
quench-like
texture. A couple days later I recovered additional material that had
many of
the same characteristics as the specimem in question, yet was stone had
floating
clast of the same material the glass transitioned from on the large
specimen.

I do not claim to know what this material beyond previous experience
and visual
correlation,  but the large piece is quite an enigma as it has
characteristics
of a couple different specimens that are obviously stone and vise versa.

I appreciate you responding to my question and hope that  we can
continue this
dialog.

My Best,

Brandon D.





 Original message 
From: Robert Beauford
Date:
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question about Impact Glass from Crooked
Creek



I have encountered this material during field work.  I have a sample in
a box here beside my desk, along with a thin section.  My sample was
dominantly iron, with less glass and less bubbles, but looks pretty
clearly to be the same thing.  I did some research on it a couple of
years ago.  The metal portion has no nickel content, and the silicate
(glassy) portion is complex in composition, inconsistent with melting
of the local carbonates, chert, or quartz arenite sandstones that are
found in the brecciated or uplifted Crooked Creek rock units.  I
believe it to be slag from local mining of iron (about 100 years
ago) within the crater and throughout the region.  The mined iron is
not associated with the meteorite impact.  It was emplaced along faults
in the region by mineralizing hydrothermal activity, tens of millions
of years later, that occurred during the Ouachita Orogeny.  They also
mined for barite and several other things along faults
in and around there.  I found evidence for the timing and origin of
mineralization associated with the mines recorded in some earlier work
by a different author (I think it might have been Hendriks, 1954.)  I
included more details in a published abstract, though I don't recall
how much.  Sorry... it was disappointing for me as well.
Best regards,
Robert Beauford



 Original message 
From: Brandon D.
Date:
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]


Good Day/Night Fellow Listees.

It's been some time since I have had a chance to get on the list and
also present some new material to the collectors and researchers
interested. I have had to deal with some serious personal family issues
and this has weighted heavy on me as of late.

Today I would like to get the word out that I have some new impact
material of such quality that it should excite those who share my
common interest and attention. It is not just the size, but also the
scarcity.

To some up what I have I am just going to list what I have below.
Further specimens will be added over the course of the day so stay
tuned as well!

http://www.ebay.com/usr/meteor-rite

1) 469.2g endcut of full impact melt from the Crooked Creek, Missouri
impact.

2) 39.5g Rare slice of possible impact or landslide melt in Kofels,
Australia.

3) 1,123g corner cut of impact breccia from the Crooked Creek, Missouri
impact.

4) 868.2g Huge slice of impact. Melt breccia from the Glover Bluff,
Wisconsin impact site.

5) 441.7g. beautiful corner cut of the yellow type impact breccia from
the Glover Bluff, Wisconsin impact site.


I also have a piece of Meteorite art in the form of a Zoomorphic Campo
that has been painted by an artist with oil paint. It was shaped and is
now presented beautifully as a colorful chameleon. It was displayed in
a display at a museum for some time and includes documentation from
them as well as the artist.

Again, my eBay listings can be viewed by following the below link.

http://www.ebay.com/usr/meteor-rite ;

Thank you and all the best,

Brandon D.

Good Day/Night Fellow Listees.

It's been some time since I have had a chance to get on the list and
also present some new material to the collectors and researchers
interested. I have had to deal with some serious personal family issues
and this has weighted heavy on me as of late.

Today I would like to get the word out that I have some new impact
material of such quality that it should excite those who share my
common interest and attention. It is not just the size, but also the
scarcity.

To some up what I have I am just going to list what I have below.
Further specimens will be added over the course of the day so stay
tuned as well!

http://www.ebay.com/usr/meteor-rite

1) 469.2g endcut of full impact melt from the Crooked Creek, Missouri
impact.

2) 39.5g Rare slice of possible impact or landslide melt in Kofels,
Australia.

Re: [meteorite-list] Question about Impact Glass from Crooked Creek

[Robert Beauford]

I have encountered this material during field work.  I have a sample in a box 
here beside my desk, along with a thin section.  My sample was dominantly iron, 
with less glass and less bubbles, but looks pretty clearly to be the same 
thing.  I did some research on it a couple of years ago.  The metal portion has 
no nickel content, and the silicate (glassy) portion is complex in composition, 
inconsistent with melting of the local carbonates, chert, or quartz arenite 
sandstones that are found in the brecciated or uplifted Crooked Creek rock 
units.  I believe it to be slag from local mining of iron (about 100 years ago) 
within the crater and throughout the region.  The mined iron is not associated 
with the meteorite impact.  It was emplaced along faults in the region by 
mineralizing hydrothermal activity, tens of millions of years later, that 
occurred during the Ouachita Orogeny.  They also mined for barite and several 
other things along faults
 in and around there.  I found evidence for the timing and origin of 
mineralization associated with the mines recorded in some earlier work by a 
different author (I think it might have been Hendriks, 1954.)  I included more 
details in a published abstract, though I don't recall how much.  Sorry... it 
was disappointing for me as well.
Best regards,
Robert Beauford
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Book Copyright date??

[Don Merchant]

Thanks Martin and Bernd. My color is yellow.
Don
- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Goff" 

To: "Don Merchant" 
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Book Copyright date??



Hi Don/list,

I have a few of these booklets in different colours and i asked the
question to Mike Jensen a while ago. Below is his reply:

"Those are available in several different colors. I seem to find the
bright orange? color the most. But I have seen a more red cover and
one closer to the 1969 yellow? color as well.  So yes they are
produced in several different colors. I always thought the blue ones
were the rarest color but I have actually seen several of them
recently. I also must point out I have seen so few of them over the
years that my opinions are based on a very small population so I could
easily be wrong when I state rarest...most...fewest...etc.
Something I find curious is only the 42 seems to have been produced in
several different colors. I do have one later edition that has a very
light yellow cover but every other book I have seen is the 69 yellow
cover"

So it appears that the 1969 edition has the yellow cover and you may
be able to date them according to the colour of the cover. Nice little
booklets :-)

Cheers

Martin

On 3 March 2013 19:57, Don Merchant  wrote:
I am guessing that by the last Revised Copyright that it is from 1957? If 
so

any value?
Sincerely
Don Merchant
- Original Message - From: "Don Merchant"

To: 
Cc: "Don Merchant" 
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 2:53 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Book Copyright date??



Hi List. I have a question about the book "A Comet Strikes The Earth" by 
H
H Nininger. How do I actually know what edition it is? It does come with 
a
meteorite fragment placed in hole cutout. Here is the info looking at 
the

first 2 pages. Reads:
*
American Meteorite Museum
Sedona, Arizona.
American Museum Laboratory
(successor)
P.O. Box 2098 Denver Colorado 80201.next page...
*
Copyright, 1942
By H. H. Nininger
*
Revised, 1944
2nd Revision, 1946
3rd Revision, 1951
4th Revision, 1953
5th Revision, 1957
*
further down at bottom of page says:
*
printed by
Desert Press, Inc
Palm Desert, California
*
I see nothing else as far as dates, copyrights and the such throughout 
the

rest of the 65 page book.
*
Sincerely
Don Merchant
Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders
www.ctreasurescwonders.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Book Copyright date??

[Martin Goff]

My theory busted straight away then Bernd :-)

Cheers

Martin

On 3 March 2013 20:27, Bernd V. Pauli  wrote:
> Hello Don, Martin, List,
>
> "So it appears that the 1969 edition has the yellow cover"
>
> My  "© 1942, 1969" edition is definitely *orange*
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bernd
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Book Copyright date??

[Martin Goff]

Hi Bernd, Don and list,

Upon checking the three copies i have, the orange and blue coloured
copies are from 1942 and the copyright is just shown as copyright H H
Nininger 1942. The later 1969 yellow edition is marked as Bernd
describes.

Hope that helps.

Cheers

Martin

On 3 March 2013 20:11, Bernd V. Pauli  wrote:
> Hi Don and List,
>
> My copy shows this on page 2:
>
> A Comet Strikes the Earth
> H.H. Nininger
> American Meteorite Laboratory
>
> and on page 3, only this:
>
> © 1942, 1969
> By H.H. Nininger
>
> -
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bernd
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Book Copyright date??

[Martin Goff]

Hi Don/list,

I have a few of these booklets in different colours and i asked the
question to Mike Jensen a while ago. Below is his reply:

"Those are available in several different colors. I seem to find the
bright orange? color the most. But I have seen a more red cover and
one closer to the 1969 yellow? color as well.  So yes they are
produced in several different colors. I always thought the blue ones
were the rarest color but I have actually seen several of them
recently. I also must point out I have seen so few of them over the
years that my opinions are based on a very small population so I could
easily be wrong when I state rarest...most...fewest...etc.
Something I find curious is only the 42 seems to have been produced in
several different colors. I do have one later edition that has a very
light yellow cover but every other book I have seen is the 69 yellow
cover"

So it appears that the 1969 edition has the yellow cover and you may
be able to date them according to the colour of the cover. Nice little
booklets :-)

Cheers

Martin

On 3 March 2013 19:57, Don Merchant  wrote:
> I am guessing that by the last Revised Copyright that it is from 1957? If so
> any value?
> Sincerely
> Don Merchant
> - Original Message - From: "Don Merchant"
> 
> To: 
> Cc: "Don Merchant" 
> Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 2:53 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Book Copyright date??
>
>
>
>> Hi List. I have a question about the book "A Comet Strikes The Earth" by H
>> H Nininger. How do I actually know what edition it is? It does come with a
>> meteorite fragment placed in hole cutout. Here is the info looking at the
>> first 2 pages. Reads:
>> *
>> American Meteorite Museum
>> Sedona, Arizona.
>> American Museum Laboratory
>> (successor)
>> P.O. Box 2098 Denver Colorado 80201.next page...
>> *
>> Copyright, 1942
>> By H. H. Nininger
>> *
>> Revised, 1944
>> 2nd Revision, 1946
>> 3rd Revision, 1951
>> 4th Revision, 1953
>> 5th Revision, 1957
>> *
>> further down at bottom of page says:
>> *
>> printed by
>> Desert Press, Inc
>> Palm Desert, California
>> *
>> I see nothing else as far as dates, copyrights and the such throughout the
>> rest of the 65 page book.
>> *
>> Sincerely
>> Don Merchant
>> Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders
>> www.ctreasurescwonders.com
>> IMCA #0960
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Book Copyright date??

[Don Merchant]

I am guessing that by the last Revised Copyright that it is from 1957? If so 
any value?

Sincerely
Don Merchant
- Original Message - 
From: "Don Merchant" 

To: 
Cc: "Don Merchant" 
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 2:53 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Book Copyright date??


Hi List. I have a question about the book "A Comet Strikes The Earth" by H 
H Nininger. How do I actually know what edition it is? It does come with a 
meteorite fragment placed in hole cutout. Here is the info looking at the 
first 2 pages. Reads:

*
American Meteorite Museum
Sedona, Arizona.
American Museum Laboratory
(successor)
P.O. Box 2098 Denver Colorado 80201.next page...
*
Copyright, 1942
By H. H. Nininger
*
Revised, 1944
2nd Revision, 1946
3rd Revision, 1951
4th Revision, 1953
5th Revision, 1957
*
further down at bottom of page says:
*
printed by
Desert Press, Inc
Palm Desert, California
*
I see nothing else as far as dates, copyrights and the such throughout the 
rest of the 65 page book.

*
Sincerely
Don Merchant
Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders
www.ctreasurescwonders.com
IMCA #0960
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Re: [meteorite-list] question about Futrell Collection/markings

[Larry & Twink Monrad]

I have three Moung-Nong layered Thai tektites from Darryl's collection and
none have any markings or painted labels on them. Two of them he sent to me
personally as trades for Gold Basins and the third I bought at Michael
Blood's auction many years ago. It weighs 686 grams and  it is really nice.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question

[MstrEman]

Supernova's produced all the elements but it isn't gold nor iron
Sulfide you are dealing with.  Actually  from description it is
likely:  iron nickle chloride (FeNi)Cl2

Sorry but you now have a sample of the mineral "lawrencite" on your
specimen. Yes lawrencite of  meteorite wasting fame


Peter, wold you say that parts of it look like hemispherical
translucent golden insect eggs?

Elton

On 7/12/12, Peter Scherff  wrote:
> Hi Pete,
>
> Without seeing the sample I am just guessing but it might be iron sulfide.
>
> Peter
>
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> To: The List
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Question
>
> I have a puzzelment on one of my UNWA's.
> There are a number of yellow very shiney blebs in a dark brown matrix. Two
> of the blebs are on oposite sides of the slice as near as I can tell
> directly accross from each other. These are the largest of all the blebs,
> at
> 1X2 mm in size. Any thoughts?
> If they were copper, they would have tarnished. I don't think brass is
> possible, So I'm left with, dare I say, gold?
> Do supernovas produce elements much higher than iron?
> Pete
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question

[Peter Scherff]

Hi Pete,

Without seeing the sample I am just guessing but it might be iron sulfide.

Peter

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I have a puzzelment on one of my UNWA's.
There are a number of yellow very shiney blebs in a dark brown matrix. Two
of the blebs are on oposite sides of the slice as near as I can tell
directly accross from each other. These are the largest of all the blebs, at
1X2 mm in size. Any thoughts?
If they were copper, they would have tarnished. I don't think brass is
possible, So I'm left with, dare I say, gold?
Do supernovas produce elements much higher than iron?
Pete

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Re: [meteorite-list] Question

[Peter Scherff]

Hi Pete,

Without seeing the sample I am just guessing but it might be iron sulfide.

Peter

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I have a puzzelment on one of my UNWA's.
There are a number of yellow very shiney blebs in a dark brown matrix. Two
of the blebs are on oposite sides of the slice as near as I can tell
directly accross from each other. These are the largest of all the blebs, at
1X2 mm in size. Any thoughts?
If they were copper, they would have tarnished. I don't think brass is
possible, So I'm left with, dare I say, gold?
Do supernovas produce elements much higher than iron?
Pete

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Re: [meteorite-list] Question about Meteorite Hunting - Bob Haag?

[Rob Matson]

Hi Mike,

> Not long after I first got into meteorites, the Carancas fall
> happened.  Meteorite hunters descended on the area - something
> we are all familiar with now.  Bob Haag went down there and
> collected some very nice specimens.  However, since then, we
> never hear anything about Bob chasing falls. ...
>
> So, my question is - is Bob officially "retired" from chasing
> falls?

I don't believe so. For instance, Bob did go to Sutter's Mill.

--Rob

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Re: [meteorite-list] Question 1 & 2

[Sterling K. Webb]

Pete, List

The Moon BOTH revolves AND rotates
One revolution for each rotation; one rotation
for each revolution. Synchronous, it's called.

The Moon's tides slow the Earth's axial rotation,
making the day longer. In the past the day was
shorter and the number of days per year was greater

Because the angular momentum of the Earth-Moon
system must be conserved, the loss of energy from
the Earth's rotation is "pumped" into the Moon's
orbit causing the Moon to orbit at a greater distance.

The Moon slowly recedes from the Earth and is
doing so today. It will continue getting further and
further away until the Earth either loses the Moon
or the Sun eats us both in about five billion years.

How fast the Earth rotated when the Moon formed
is guesswork (with lots of equations thrown in).
6 hours? 12 hours? How close did the Moon form?
Nobody knows, but outside the Roche Limit (about
three Earth radii) or it would have broken up from
the Earth tides.

You shoulda oughta read that Meteorite List:
http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg106159.html
"The Moon DOES rotate on its axis. If it didn't,
we on the Earth would have a slow month-long
changing view of every spot on the Moon. There
would be no "near" side and "far" side. If you were
looking at what we call the near side tonight, in
two weeks you would be looking at the "far" side."


Sterling K. Webb

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Question 1 & 2



# 1 Does anyone have the link to the GIF file that showed
the ISS assembly from start to finish?

# 2 I got the mistake I made clear in my 2 brain cells.
The moon does one revolution every month, always presenting
the same side to the earth. How long since it stopped
it's rotation.
Do the science eggheads have any idea how fast it rotated
after it was formed? Also, how fast did the earth spin at that
time?
Did the moon's tidal effect on the earth cause the earth's
spin to slow?
Thanks,
Pete

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Re: [meteorite-list] Question about NWA 869

[James Baxter]

Hi Melanie,

I was lucky enough to get a dinner plate sized 895 gram slice of NWA 869 from 
Blaine Reed back in 2008. I asked him and the mass he cut to produce it weighed 
84 pounds, just short of 40kg. Not sure if anyone out there knows of a larger 
one. The Metoritical Bulletin just says individual masses to >20kg.

Best,
Jim Baxter
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question about NWA 869

How big is/was the largest NWA869 mass found? 

 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question about NWA 869

[Melanie Matthews]

How big is/was the largest NWA869 mass found? 

 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question about NWA 869

[MexicoDoug]

Just saw Zelimir's informative post from yesterday, if that is what he 
does for 869, he must have the world's best megadocumebnted collection 
;-), like we all aspire.


I need a correction to what I just posted a few minutes ago:

I gave the amount lost to ablation in the prior post, the correct 
numbers for the amount dropped as meteorites are as follws and Dean 
Bessey's estimate for NWA 869 of 7 tons of rocks in the strewn field 
and fits just right for the diameters/radii given in the paper and by 
John,


diameter (meters)max recoverable mass
0.1 0.14kg
0.3 3.8 
0.5 18  
1.0 141 
1.5 477 
2.0  1.1ton
2.5  2.2
3.0  3.8
3.5  6.1
4.0  9.0
4.5  13 
5.0  18 

Nice to keep these numbers in mind when we think about our well cared 
for boxes of space chocolates!  If NWA 869 were a limited fall the 
prices would have sent it right back to the cosmos ... something to 
think about.  Nice to think about next time you see your 
wife/husband/boy/girlfriend!


Best
Doug



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Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 1:58 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question about NWA 869


Yes Mel, John's 4-5 meters in diameter statement corresponds to the
average 2 meter radius in the reference.  FYI, a typical entering
meteoroid that experiences a loss of 92.5% (the factor of its material
ton ablation as concluded by the authors) would drop this much material
for our collections:

diameter (meters)max recoverable mass
0.12 kg
0.350
0.5 200
1.0 1.7 ton
1.5 5.9
2.014
2.527
3.047
3.575
4.0  112
4.5  159
5.0   218

Of course the factor of 92.5% loss will vary depending on the angle it
enters, speed, composition and integrity, as well as the initial size
and shape, so they are all gross estimates.

Kindest wishes
Doufg



-Original Message-
From: Melanie Matthews 
To: MexicoDoug ; meteorite-list

Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 12:42 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question about NWA 869


Found this:


"Scientists figure the meteoroid that was blasted off the  parent body
was maybe
4 to 5 meters in diameter before atmospheric entry. Even  with ablation
loss of
90 to 95% about 7 tons dropped on the Sahara Desert."

http://www.meteorite-times.com/micro-visions/nwa-869-inclusions/


 
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To: miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc:
Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 1:03:47 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question about NWA 869

PS

Referencing the same article that considered the free floating for 4-5
million
year 869-parent meteoroid, also commented that the age of some of the
regolith
soil/glue that formed the fantastically brecciated meteoroid of our
envy had
itself exposure time of as long as 16 million years:

"Assuming that 4 Ma is the time of transit irradiation, several
lithologies have
been preirradiated up to 16 Ma in the parent body regolith."


-Original Message-
From: MexicoDoug 
To: miss_meteorite ; meteorite-list

Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 3:49 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question about NWA 869


NWA 869 represents an L chondritic regolith breccia containing
preirradiated components.  The meteoroid had an initial radius of about
2 m with a mass of about 110 metric tons. The transit time to Earth was
about 4-5 Ma. Large variations of shielding depths between samples
indicate that break-up of the meteoroid must have occured high in
atmosphere. This would also explain the large inferred ablation loss,
which is typical for large chondrite showers.

Ref:

"The L3-6 Regolith Breccia Northwest Africa 869: Petrology, Noble
Gases, and Cosmogenic Radionuclides"
Metzler, K.; Ott, U.; Welten, K. C.; Caffee, M. W.; Franke, L.
39th Lunar and Planetary Science Conference, (Lunar and Planetary
Science XXXIX), held March 10-14, 2008 in League City, Texas.
LPI Contribution No. 1391., p.1120
Publication Date: 03/2008

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2008/pdf/1120.pdf



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From: Melanie Matthews 
To: MeteoriteList 
Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 2:10 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question about NWA 869


Hi list,

Are there any estimates in how long ago this wonderful meteorite fell
to Earth,
and how large it might have been before it entered the atmosphere? It
must have
been a massive meteoroid, much larger than the one that produced the
Buzzard
Coulees.

 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question about NWA 869

[MexicoDoug]

Yes Mel, John's 4-5 meters in diameter statement corresponds to the
average 2 meter radius in the reference.  FYI, a typical entering
meteoroid that experiences a loss of 92.5% (the factor of its material
ton ablation as concluded by the authors) would drop this much material
for our collections:

diameter (meters)max recoverable mass
0.12 kg
0.350
0.5 200
1.0 1.7 ton
1.5 5.9
2.014
2.527
3.047
3.575
4.0  112
4.5  159
5.0   218

Of course the factor of 92.5% loss will vary depending on the angle it
enters, speed, composition and integrity, as well as the initial size
and shape, so they are all gross estimates.

Kindest wishes
Doufg



-Original Message-
From: Melanie Matthews 
To: MexicoDoug ; meteorite-list 


Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 12:42 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question about NWA 869


Found this:


"Scientists figure the meteoroid that was blasted off the  parent body 
was maybe
4 to 5 meters in diameter before atmospheric entry. Even  with ablation 
loss of

90 to 95% about 7 tons dropped on the Sahara Desert."

http://www.meteorite-times.com/micro-visions/nwa-869-inclusions/


 
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- Original Message -
From: MexicoDoug 
To: miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc:
Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 1:03:47 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question about NWA 869

PS

Referencing the same article that considered the free floating for 4-5 
million
year 869-parent meteoroid, also commented that the age of some of the 
regolith
soil/glue that formed the fantastically brecciated meteoroid of our 
envy had

itself exposure time of as long as 16 million years:

"Assuming that 4 Ma is the time of transit irradiation, several 
lithologies have

been preirradiated up to 16 Ma in the parent body regolith."


-Original Message-
From: MexicoDoug 
To: miss_meteorite ; meteorite-list

Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 3:49 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question about NWA 869


NWA 869 represents an L chondritic regolith breccia containing
preirradiated components.  The meteoroid had an initial radius of about
2 m with a mass of about 110 metric tons. The transit time to Earth was
about 4-5 Ma. Large variations of shielding depths between samples
indicate that break-up of the meteoroid must have occured high in
atmosphere. This would also explain the large inferred ablation loss,
which is typical for large chondrite showers.

Ref:

"The L3-6 Regolith Breccia Northwest Africa 869: Petrology, Noble
Gases, and Cosmogenic Radionuclides"
Metzler, K.; Ott, U.; Welten, K. C.; Caffee, M. W.; Franke, L.
39th Lunar and Planetary Science Conference, (Lunar and Planetary
Science XXXIX), held March 10-14, 2008 in League City, Texas.
LPI Contribution No. 1391., p.1120
Publication Date: 03/2008

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2008/pdf/1120.pdf



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From: Melanie Matthews 
To: MeteoriteList 
Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 2:10 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question about NWA 869


Hi list,

Are there any estimates in how long ago this wonderful meteorite fell
to Earth,
and how large it might have been before it entered the atmosphere? It
must have
been a massive meteoroid, much larger than the one that produced the
Buzzard
Coulees.

 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question about NWA 869

[Melanie Matthews]

Found this: 


"Scientists figure the meteoroid that was blasted off the  parent body was 
maybe 4 to 5 meters in diameter before atmospheric entry. Even  with ablation 
loss of 90 to 95% about 7 tons dropped on the Sahara Desert." 

http://www.meteorite-times.com/micro-visions/nwa-869-inclusions/


 
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- Original Message -
From: MexicoDoug 
To: miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 1:03:47 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question about NWA 869

PS

Referencing the same article that considered the free floating for 4-5 million 
year 869-parent meteoroid, also commented that the age of some of the regolith 
soil/glue that formed the fantastically brecciated meteoroid of our envy had 
itself exposure time of as long as 16 million years:

"Assuming that 4 Ma is the time of transit irradiation, several lithologies 
have been preirradiated up to 16 Ma in the parent body regolith."


-Original Message-
From: MexicoDoug 
To: miss_meteorite ; meteorite-list 

Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 3:49 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question about NWA 869


NWA 869 represents an L chondritic regolith breccia containing
preirradiated components.  The meteoroid had an initial radius of about
2 m with a mass of about 110 metric tons. The transit time to Earth was
about 4-5 Ma. Large variations of shielding depths between samples
indicate that break-up of the meteoroid must have occured high in
atmosphere. This would also explain the large inferred ablation loss,
which is typical for large chondrite showers.

Ref:

"The L3-6 Regolith Breccia Northwest Africa 869: Petrology, Noble
Gases, and Cosmogenic Radionuclides"
Metzler, K.; Ott, U.; Welten, K. C.; Caffee, M. W.; Franke, L.
39th Lunar and Planetary Science Conference, (Lunar and Planetary
Science XXXIX), held March 10-14, 2008 in League City, Texas.
LPI Contribution No. 1391., p.1120
Publication Date: 03/2008

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2008/pdf/1120.pdf



-Original Message-
From: Melanie Matthews 
To: MeteoriteList 
Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 2:10 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question about NWA 869


Hi list,

Are there any estimates in how long ago this wonderful meteorite fell
to Earth,
and how large it might have been before it entered the atmosphere? It
must have
been a massive meteoroid, much larger than the one that produced the
Buzzard
Coulees.

 
---
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IMCA#: 2975
eBay: metmel2775


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Re: [meteorite-list] Question about NWA 869

[Dan Furlan]

NWA 869 is a very sexy meteorite, I would marry it if i could.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question about NWA 869

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NWA 869 is a very sexy meteorite.. i would marry it if i could.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question about NWA 869

[Zelimir . Gabelica]

Hi Melanie, Doug, list,

Doug, your reference is very appropriate.

In cataloging my collection, in some specific cases, when I feel the  
meteorite I am describing is important, I use to add a short  
introduction summarizing its historical and scientific background.


Here is my write-up for NWA 869, hoping it be of help to Melanie:

--

NWA 869 (Algeria, L3-6 rbr)(S3W1), found 2000, tkw: many++@7+ tons.

History and scientific significance.

It appears quite clear that meteorite collectors in Northwest Africa  
have discovered a large L chondrite strewnfield at an undisclosed  
location, most probably around Tindouf, Algeria. Thousands of stones  
has been sold under the name NWA 869 in the market places of Morocco  
and around the world, totaling about 7+ metric tons (April 2008,  
confirmed by J. Kashuba in: “Meteorite Times, Micro Visions”, March  
2010), thereby making it one of the largest tkw’s to come out of NWA.


The corresponding meteorid was supposed weighing about 110 tons (4+m  
in diameter), suggesting important ablation and fragmentation (Metzler  
et al., LPS, 2008; Welten et al., LPS Conf. abstract, 2010, pp 2611).

Individual masses are known to range from <1 g to >20 kg.

This meteorite was classified a number of times by different  
institutions (e.g. L4, that became later L5 –UCLA, also L3.9-6 or L6…  
brecciated or not), before the above final classification by A. Rubin.


It is certain that NWA 869 is paired with other NWA meteorites  
although no systematic survey has been done.
Among many examples cited are NWA 787, NWA 900, SAH 02500 (“Wadi  
Mellene”), possibly also “AC-001”(see the 2 samples named “NWA-aaa”  
below still under investigation since its find in 2000) and likely  
many, many more.
One other famous example is NWA 904 (L5 br, also S3 W1), of which the  
numerous pics reported in MetBull database are strangely similar to  
those of NWA 869, further confirming the similarity of the samples of  
both meteorites in this collection .


It is also possible that some stones sold as NWA 869 are not part of  
the same fall, although dealers are confident that most of the known  
masses are sufficiently distinctive from other NWA meteorites in terms  
of surface and internal appearance, so that the error rate should be  
fairly low.


Although the source of the NWA 869 samples of this collection is  
reliable (purchase by "MV" in a Moroccan “selected reliable place”  
where it has been confirmed that the origin is Algeria, just as for  
NWA 904 (MV, personal communication), it is suggested (MetBull) that  
scientists are advised to confirm the classification of any specimens  
they obtain before publishing results under this name.


Much info was published regarding the composition of that strange and  
very attractive meteorite.
When cut and polished, the matrix is full of color and chondrules of  
all size, some armored.  Literature reports 74% gray matrix, 20% light  
tan (oxide staining) texture (type 5/6 clasts), 4% shock-darkened  
sulfide-impregnated matrix, 1% type 3 clasts, <1% achondritic textured  
clasts.
J. Kashuba (Met. Times, 03/ 2010) suggests it being a regolith  
(coarse) breccia (asteroid soil) with chunks > 5.5 cm (Kashuba’s  
picture in above reference; see also the extraordinary dual lithology  
of the 27.30 g sample described below), also containing rare foreign  
carbonaceous fragments.
Some pieces also display large metal grains and significant troilite  
domains (35.42 g sample below).


The terrestrial age (4.4 ± 0.7 ky) is consistent with the low degree  
of weathering, W1.
Since the abundance of regolith breccias among L-chondrites is only  
~3% [Welten et al., 2010)], NWA 869 represents a rather unique and  
large sample of the lithified regolith of the L-chondrite parent  
body

-

Best wishes,

Zelimir



MexicoDoug  a écrit :

NWA 869 represents an L chondritic regolith breccia containing  
preirradiated components.  The meteoroid had an initial radius of  
about 2 m with a mass of about 110 metric tons. The transit time to  
Earth was about 4-5 Ma. Large variations of shielding depths between  
samples indicate that break-up of the meteoroid must have occured  
high in atmosphere. This would also explain the large inferred  
ablation loss, which is typical for large chondrite showers.


Ref:

"The L3-6 Regolith Breccia Northwest Africa 869: Petrology, Noble  
Gases, and Cosmogenic Radionuclides"

Metzler, K.; Ott, U.; Welten, K. C.; Caffee, M. W.; Franke, L.
39th Lunar and Planetary Science Conference, (Lunar and Planetary  
Science XXXIX), held March 10-14, 2008 in League City, Texas.

LPI Contribution No. 1391., p.1120
Publication Date: 03/2008

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2008/pdf/1120.pdf



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From: Melanie Matthews 
To: MeteoriteList 
Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 2:10 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question about NWA 869


Hi list,

Are there any estimates in how long ago 

Re: [meteorite-list] Question about NWA 869

[MexicoDoug]

PS

Referencing the same article that considered the free floating for 4-5 
million year 869-parent meteoroid, also commented that the age of some 
of the regolith soil/glue that formed the fantastically brecciated 
meteoroid of our envy had itself exposure time of as long as 16 million 
years:


"Assuming that 4 Ma is the time of transit irradiation, several 
lithologies have been preirradiated up to 16 Ma in the parent body 
regolith."



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To: miss_meteorite ; meteorite-list 


Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 3:49 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question about NWA 869


NWA 869 represents an L chondritic regolith breccia containing
preirradiated components.  The meteoroid had an initial radius of about
2 m with a mass of about 110 metric tons. The transit time to Earth was
about 4-5 Ma. Large variations of shielding depths between samples
indicate that break-up of the meteoroid must have occured high in
atmosphere. This would also explain the large inferred ablation loss,
which is typical for large chondrite showers.

Ref:

"The L3-6 Regolith Breccia Northwest Africa 869: Petrology, Noble
Gases, and Cosmogenic Radionuclides"
Metzler, K.; Ott, U.; Welten, K. C.; Caffee, M. W.; Franke, L.
39th Lunar and Planetary Science Conference, (Lunar and Planetary
Science XXXIX), held March 10-14, 2008 in League City, Texas.
LPI Contribution No. 1391., p.1120
Publication Date: 03/2008

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2008/pdf/1120.pdf



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Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 2:10 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question about NWA 869


Hi list,

Are there any estimates in how long ago this wonderful meteorite fell
to Earth,
and how large it might have been before it entered the atmosphere? It
must have
been a massive meteoroid, much larger than the one that produced the
Buzzard
Coulees.

 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question about NWA 869

[MexicoDoug]

NWA 869 represents an L chondritic regolith breccia containing 
preirradiated components.  The meteoroid had an initial radius of about 
2 m with a mass of about 110 metric tons. The transit time to Earth was 
about 4-5 Ma. Large variations of shielding depths between samples 
indicate that break-up of the meteoroid must have occured high in 
atmosphere. This would also explain the large inferred ablation loss, 
which is typical for large chondrite showers.


Ref:

"The L3-6 Regolith Breccia Northwest Africa 869: Petrology, Noble 
Gases, and Cosmogenic Radionuclides"

Metzler, K.; Ott, U.; Welten, K. C.; Caffee, M. W.; Franke, L.
39th Lunar and Planetary Science Conference, (Lunar and Planetary 
Science XXXIX), held March 10-14, 2008 in League City, Texas.

LPI Contribution No. 1391., p.1120
Publication Date: 03/2008

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2008/pdf/1120.pdf



-Original Message-
From: Melanie Matthews 
To: MeteoriteList 
Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 2:10 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question about NWA 869


Hi list,

Are there any estimates in how long ago this wonderful meteorite fell 
to Earth,
and how large it might have been before it entered the atmosphere? It 
must have
been a massive meteoroid, much larger than the one that produced the 
Buzzard

Coulees.

 
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Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION SPECIALIST

[Aleksandr V. Leonenko]

* "Aleksandr V. Leonenko"  [Mon, 10 Oct 2011 
21:34:59 +0400]:

Worker reference to photo stone #2
http://s006.radikal.ru/i213/1110/53/a0d53ebe4587.jpg


* "Aleksandr V. Leonenko"  [Mon, 10 Oct 2011
21:19:26 +0400]:
> Greetings мr.de Boer, list and who all that to me has answered.
> Stone # 2 it is valid not a meteorite - I have sawn it (not
> qualitatively), excuse.
> http://s006.radikal.ru/i2 13/1110/53/a0d53ebe4587.jpg
> The sample of the present meteorite at me isn't present,
unfortunately.
> I envy all to those who can search for meteorites in Oman, it is my
> dream. But I don't surrender, I continue search in Uzbekistan though
> many speak that it isn't perspective. We have perspective 

territories,

> now I collect means for full-scale expedition to stony desert to the
> east from the city of Uchkuduk. Besides there are many other places.
As
> soon as I will be ready I will invite all interested persons through
> List.
>
> To meetings!
> Alexander.
> Navoi. Uzbekistan.
>
>
>
>
>
> * sbdeboer  [Sun, 9 Oct 2011 22:02:25 

-0400]:

> > Hi   Aleksandr :
> >
> >   I just  looked a your pictures of stones and am not convinced 

that

> > they
> > are meteorites . the first stone looks like a pretty stone but 

VERY

> > doubtful that it is a  meteorite  the #2 stone  is harder to tell
> since
> > it
> > does n t have a cut  face  . Does it stick to a magnet ?   I doubt
> that
> > it
> > is a  meteorite .  I hope you do find one
> >
> >  Where are you ?   Do you have any meteorite to compare it with or 

I

> > should
> > send you one meteorite.   Your English is  OK to understand 

Write

> > again  I
> > live in Canada and have  collected meteorites for 10 years and 

have

> > hunted
> > in the desert of Oman  and  at Whitecourt  Alberta and have found
> > meteorites
> > in both placesthanks  simon de Boer
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
> > [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
> > Aleksandr
> > V. Leonenko
> > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:49 PM
> > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Question specialist
> >
> >
> > Greetings to all!
> > In advance I am sorry for my bad English.
> > For a long time I am engaged in searches of meteorites in the
Central
> > Asia. But stones represented on a photo cause in me difficulties 

in

> > definition. I understand that on a photo to judge difficult, but I
> will
> > be grateful to all who will answer.
> > Whether it is necessary to do the spectral analysis?
> > They are similar to what kinds of meteorites? (If are similar)
> >
> > Stone #1
> > http://s013.radikal.ru/i322/1110/5d/e29015146011.jpg
> >
> > Stone #1 in Kizilkum desert
> > http://s44.radikal.ru/i103/1110/88/35b468a88b7a.jpg
> >
> > Stone #2
> > http://i078.radikal.ru/1110/3a/606579c65a99.jpg
> >
> > Stone #2 in Mirzachul desert
> > http://s51.radikal.ru/i132/1110/57/8009aa5317be.jpg
> >
> > Yours faithfully.
> >
> > Leonenko A.V.
> >
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Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION SPECIALIST

[Aleksandr V. Leonenko]

Greetings мr.de Boer, list and who all that to me has answered.
Stone # 2 it is valid not a meteorite - I have sawn it (not 
qualitatively), excuse.

http://s006.radikal.ru/i2 13/1110/53/a0d53ebe4587.jpg
The sample of the present meteorite at me isn't present, unfortunately.
I envy all to those who can search for meteorites in Oman, it is my 
dream. But I don't surrender, I continue search in Uzbekistan though 
many speak that it isn't perspective. We have perspective territories, 
now I collect means for full-scale expedition to stony desert to the 
east from the city of Uchkuduk. Besides there are many other places. As 
soon as I will be ready I will invite all interested persons through 
List.


To meetings!
Alexander.
Navoi. Uzbekistan.





* sbdeboer  [Sun, 9 Oct 2011 22:02:25 -0400]:

Hi   Aleksandr :

  I just  looked a your pictures of stones and am not convinced that
they
are meteorites . the first stone looks like a pretty stone but  VERY
doubtful that it is a  meteorite  the #2 stone  is harder to tell 

since

it
does n t have a cut  face  . Does it stick to a magnet ?   I doubt 

that

it
is a  meteorite .  I hope you do find one

 Where are you ?   Do you have any meteorite to compare it with or I
should
send you one meteorite.   Your English is  OK to understand   Write
again  I
live in Canada and have  collected meteorites for 10 years and have
hunted
in the desert of Oman  and  at Whitecourt  Alberta and have found
meteorites
in both placesthanks  simon de Boer

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
Aleksandr
V. Leonenko
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:49 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question specialist


Greetings to all!
In advance I am sorry for my bad English.
For a long time I am engaged in searches of meteorites in the Central
Asia. But stones represented on a photo cause in me difficulties in
definition. I understand that on a photo to judge difficult, but I 

will

be grateful to all who will answer.
Whether it is necessary to do the spectral analysis?
They are similar to what kinds of meteorites? (If are similar)

Stone #1
http://s013.radikal.ru/i322/1110/5d/e29015146011.jpg

Stone #1 in Kizilkum desert
http://s44.radikal.ru/i103/1110/88/35b468a88b7a.jpg

Stone #2
http://i078.radikal.ru/1110/3a/606579c65a99.jpg

Stone #2 in Mirzachul desert
http://s51.radikal.ru/i132/1110/57/8009aa5317be.jpg

Yours faithfully.

Leonenko A.V.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Question specialist

[Aleksandr V. Leonenko]

Thanks for the answer!
Stone poorly magnetic.
Has made more detailed photos if it is necessary to grind the sample - 
tell to me, to a smog it to make in one week.


Look here, please:

http://s008.radikal.ru/i306/1110/06/1b600ee6275e.jpg

http://s009.radikal.ru/i308/1110/a4/afd7d7fdf694.jpg

http://s49.radikal.ru/i126/1110/75/53900eb8c927.jpg

http://s014.radikal.ru/i327/1110/55/83d47dfca203.jpg

http://s011.radikal.ru/i316/1110/66/415be649127c.jpg

http://i059.radikal.ru/1110/88/fbbed2c9be07.jpg



Yours faithfully.

Alexander.



* MstrEman  [Tue, 4 Oct 2011 19:03:40 -0400]:

Greetings Aleksander!  OFF LIST

Stone #1 is a midway classification between conglomerate and breccia
as technically the clasts in it are slighly rounded and not totally
angular.  Conglomerates have fully rounded pebbles within.On the
moon there are no streams to round out the pebbles so we may safelty
conclude this is not a meteorite

Stone #2 in spite of what the others said, has possibilities.  Please
send me more photos, in good focus and with a ruler included so I can
estimate scale. Let me know if it has any attraction to a magnet,
please.

I'll give it a good look
 Elton

On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Aleksandr V. Leonenko
 wrote:
>
> Greetings to all!
> In advance I am sorry for my bad English.
> For a long time I am engaged in searches of meteorites in the 

Central

Asia.
> But stones represented on a photo cause in me difficulties in
definition. I
> understand that on a photo to judge difficult, but I will be 

grateful

to all
> who will answer.
> Whether it is necessary to do the spectral analysis?
> They are similar to what kinds of meteorites? (If are similar)
>
> Stone #1
> http://s013.radikal.ru/i322/1110/5d/e29015146011.jpg
>
> Stone #1 in Kizilkum desert
> http://s44.radikal.ru/i103/1110/88/35b468a88b7a.jpg
>
> Stone #2
> http://i078.radikal.ru/1110/3a/606579c65a99.jpg
>
> Stone #2 in Mirzachul desert
> http://s51.radikal.ru/i132/1110/57/8009aa5317be.jpg
>
> Yours faithfully.
>
> Leonenko A.V.
>





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Re: [meteorite-list] Question specialist

[Aleksandr V. Leonenko]

Thank you you for answer, but in Uzbekistan never was a glacier.
Also no such stone on distance of one kilometer.


* Ingo Herkstroeter  [Mon, 3 Oct 2011 21:03:12 
+0200]:

Hi!

Your first find is definitely a terrestrial breccia.

I'm not sure, what your second find is, but it looks like you searched
in an
area, where glaciers and/or have left some rocks. This isn't the best
place
for a hunt.

Cheers!

Ingo

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Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2011 19:49
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Betreff: [!! SPAM] [meteorite-list] Question specialist


Greetings to all!
In advance I am sorry for my bad English.
For a long time I am engaged in searches of meteorites in the Central
Asia. But stones represented on a photo cause in me difficulties in
definition. I understand that on a photo to judge difficult, but I 

will

be grateful to all who will answer.
Whether it is necessary to do the spectral analysis?
They are similar to what kinds of meteorites? (If are similar)

Stone #1
http://s013.radikal.ru/i322/1110/5d/e29015146011.jpg

Stone #1 in Kizilkum desert
http://s44.radikal.ru/i103/1110/88/35b468a88b7a.jpg

Stone #2
http://i078.radikal.ru/1110/3a/606579c65a99.jpg

Stone #2 in Mirzachul desert
http://s51.radikal.ru/i132/1110/57/8009aa5317be.jpg

Yours faithfully.

Leonenko A.V.

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Re: [meteorite-list] question

[Richard Montgomery]

Hello List,
I also have a few large-surface/weight specimens from lucyfi90 and I'm quite 
pleased with the prep work.  A while ago there was some discussion regarding 
her non-disclosure of weight, which I do not find deterent.


With that said, I've weighed a few from her because of simple curiousity, 
and of course the $/gr was quite higher than usual (one specimen is a 
stellar NWA801)...and yet the presentation justifies the price every time.


Sometimes I collect "outside the box"these are the ones I won't sell!

-Richard Montgomery




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To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] question



I have dealt with lucyfi90 before. She has some really rare stuff. Her
slices are big and gorgeous but they are also very thin(at least mine
was).
I would consider her an honest & trustworthy seller. She shipped my
piece from within the USA, and it was shipped rather quickly.
But I think she had a bad incident with the postal service mangling
one of her shipments once before, so now she ships piece(s) in what
amounts to an insulated small wooden crate inside a box!(again, at
least that's was what I got), the best packaging job ever!
Which is good because we are talking about very thin slices here. I
received mine in perfect condition.
She is also very easy to communicate with. I would recommend her.
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Re: [meteorite-list] question

[Brandon]

I just purchased an endcut of Dhofar 485(How) from her and am very excited to 
get an upclose look at it! Beautiful stone and the first time I've purchased a 
meteorite without knowing the weight, but the surface area justifies it for me 
since it will be in a membrane box anyway. A paper thin endcut now this I have 
to see!

Brandon D.
IMCA# 9312 


"Benjamin P. Sun"  wrote:

>I have dealt with lucyfi90 before. She has some really rare stuff. Her
>slices are big and gorgeous but they are also very thin(at least mine
>was).
>I would consider her an honest & trustworthy seller. She shipped my
>piece from within the USA, and it was shipped rather quickly.
>But I think she had a bad incident with the postal service mangling
>one of her shipments once before, so now she ships piece(s) in what
>amounts to an insulated small wooden crate inside a box!(again, at
>least that's was what I got), the best packaging job ever!
>Which is good because we are talking about very thin slices here. I
>received mine in perfect condition.
>She is also very easy to communicate with. I would recommend her.
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Re: [meteorite-list] question

[MexicoDoug]

Thanks, Michael, Benjamin!  The I suppose it was up to $750/g for the 
Lunar, pushing it to the limit of the material then.  Still a great 
deal for a relatively small amount and such a large surface area, 
probably 50% more than others.  By looking at the shadow on the graph 
paper I guess you can get a better idea of how thin they are..  In some 
cases though, it is desireable for for passing light through inclusions 
in specimens to get such a nice uniform slice and hopefully this seller 
can concentrate their talents there which will return the maximum value 
for the community, IMO, instead of setting up $/g buyers for a hard 
lession ;-)


Kindest wishes
Doug

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To: meteorite-list 
Sent: Thu, Sep 15, 2011 7:10 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] question


I have dealt with lucyfi90 before. She has some really rare stuff. Her
slices are big and gorgeous but they are also very thin(at least mine
was).
I would consider her an honest & trustworthy seller. She shipped my
piece from within the USA, and it was shipped rather quickly.
But I think she had a bad incident with the postal service mangling
one of her shipments once before, so now she ships piece(s) in what
amounts to an insulated small wooden crate inside a box!(again, at
least that's was what I got), the best packaging job ever!
Which is good because we are talking about very thin slices here. I
received mine in perfect condition.
She is also very easy to communicate with. I would recommend her.
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Re: [meteorite-list] question

[Benjamin P. Sun]

I have dealt with lucyfi90 before. She has some really rare stuff. Her
slices are big and gorgeous but they are also very thin(at least mine
was).
I would consider her an honest & trustworthy seller. She shipped my
piece from within the USA, and it was shipped rather quickly.
But I think she had a bad incident with the postal service mangling
one of her shipments once before, so now she ships piece(s) in what
amounts to an insulated small wooden crate inside a box!(again, at
least that's was what I got), the best packaging job ever!
Which is good because we are talking about very thin slices here. I
received mine in perfect condition.
She is also very easy to communicate with. I would recommend her.
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Re: [meteorite-list] question

[Michael Mulgrew]

I have a slice of Taza from that eBay user, and a howardite slice as
well.  They are paper thin, but make great display pieces.

-Michael in so. Cal.

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:50 PM, MexicoDoug  wrote:
> Hi Pete, well if you want to know I'll let you know just how thin he slices
> them up since no weights are listed.  Most fun I've had in months with rapid
> fire bidding.  Now, to soak up the damages and delight in the spoils - 7
> items worth including a finely sliced lunar I calculate at $250/g but the
> joke will be on me if it is thinner than eyeballed and weighing less!
>  Really pissed I lost that "winonaite"
>
> Kindest wishes
> Doug
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: pshugar 
> To: The List 
> Sent: Thu, Sep 15, 2011 2:12 pm
> Subject: [meteorite-list] question
>
>
> Hello list,
> Anyone know anything about lucyfi90 with just a 184
> feedback?
> Pete IMCA 1733
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] question

[MexicoDoug]

Hi Pete, well if you want to know I'll let you know just how thin he 
slices them up since no weights are listed.  Most fun I've had in 
months with rapid fire bidding.  Now, to soak up the damages and 
delight in the spoils - 7 items worth including a finely sliced lunar I 
calculate at $250/g but the joke will be on me if it is thinner than 
eyeballed and weighing less!  Really pissed I lost that "winonaite"


Kindest wishes
Doug


-Original Message-
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To: The List 
Sent: Thu, Sep 15, 2011 2:12 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] question


Hello list,
Anyone know anything about lucyfi90 with just a 184
feedback?
Pete IMCA 1733


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Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers - accepting foreignchecks in the US

[Jim Wooddell]

Hi all!

Anne is right on with this one.  It places all the burden on the buyer. And 
the threat, per Anne's instruction, is minimal.

I've never had an issue using this procedure.

Jim Wooddell
https://k7wfr.us



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From: 
To: ; ; 


Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 12:26 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers - accepting foreignchecks 
in the US




Much simpler yet,
Ask that customer to go to his bank and send a wire transfer to your bank.
He will need your Bank account number and routing number (it is right on
your checks), and your Bank's "Swift Code". Call your bank and they will 
give

you that information.
Usually it takes 2 to 4 days depending on the banks themselves, and when
the money is in your bank there is no further problems, he can't take it 
back,

you can send the stuff. And he will be the one paying the transfer fee.

And just in case you worry about giving your banking information to a
stranger, you can open a separate account with a minimum amount in it, 
just for

wire transfers.

Anne M. Black
http://www.impactika.com/
impact...@aol.com
President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers - accepting foreign checks in the US

[Impactika]

Much simpler yet,
Ask that customer to go to his bank and send a wire transfer to your bank. 
He will need your Bank account number and routing number (it is right on 
your checks), and your Bank's "Swift Code". Call your bank and they will give 
you that information.
Usually it takes 2 to 4 days depending on the banks themselves, and when 
the money is in your bank there is no further problems, he can't take it back, 
you can send the stuff. And he will be the one paying the transfer fee. 

And just in case you worry about giving your banking information to a 
stranger, you can open a separate account with a minimum amount in it, just for 
wire transfers. 

Anne M. Black
http://www.impactika.com/
impact...@aol.com
President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
http://www.imca.cc/

In a message dated 8/9/2011 9:37:45 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
meteoritesno...@hotmail.ca writes:

Hey Mike.  I think just to be safe you should request an International 
Money Order.  At least that way, it can be traced if necessary, and there 
shouldn't be a hold on it.  If you get the cheque, and send the items only to 
find 
out the cheque is rubber, then you are out of luck.
Cheers Mike
Craig M


> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 11:45:22 -0400
> From: meteoritem...@gmail.com
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers - accepting foreign checks 
in the US
>
> Hi List,
>
> Quick question for the dealers : have you ever heard of a US bank
> accepting a check from an overseas bank? Specifically, a check from
> India from an Indian bank that is affiliated with Bank of America, and
> the check in question will be drawn against Bank of America and can be
> deposited or cashed at any Bank of America?
>
> I ask because I received a request from an overseas customer and the
> request seems legit in other respects, but I am reluctant to deal with
> the kind of stuff where I have to walk in to the bank, speak to a
> supervisor and get it handled - it's a PITA and I'd rather just go
> through the drive-through and get my business done quick. And unless
> this is some form of Cashier's Check, there is no telling how long it
> will take for a check like this to clear and the funds to become
> available.
>
> Best regards,
>
> MikeG
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers - accepting foreign checks in the US

[GRAHAM, FRANCIS]

From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com 
[meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of 
ma...@imagineopals.com [ma...@imagineopals.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 2:26 PM
To: Michael Gilmer
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers - accepting foreign  checks 
in the US

>It can be done, but watch out. In Kentucky, they can hold the funds for 90
>days (and will blame everyone else for it) while they use YOUR money for
>themselves.

Speaking of Kentucky, at  5:41 AM August 7 there was an exceptionally 
bright bolide witnessed by me
just south of Louisville, to the north at 20 degrees NNW.  I thought, that 
might just have been barely bright enough to produce a 
small meteorite.  At a truck stop, I asked if anyone else had seen it, hoping 
to note in which direction from their locations so that I could get a 
triangulation and zip to that neighborhood for a look-see. 
But people don't look up much anymore I guess; no bites.  So I continued back 
to Ohio. 
Anyway, to the financial thread on the table, suppose I deposit a foreign 
check. Regardless of the stupid hold-em games banks play, how long 
is it before I can be reallt really really sure the check really really really 
cleared?  We are talking about objective reality, not bankspeak.

Francis Graham
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers - accepting foreign checks in the US

[Craig Moody]

Hey Mike.  I think just to be safe you should request an International Money 
Order.  At least that way, it can be traced if necessary, and there shouldn't 
be a hold on it.  If you get the cheque, and send the items only to find out 
the cheque is rubber, then you are out of luck.
Cheers Mike
Craig M


> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 11:45:22 -0400
> From: meteoritem...@gmail.com
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers - accepting foreign checks in 
> the US
>
> Hi List,
>
> Quick question for the dealers : have you ever heard of a US bank
> accepting a check from an overseas bank? Specifically, a check from
> India from an Indian bank that is affiliated with Bank of America, and
> the check in question will be drawn against Bank of America and can be
> deposited or cashed at any Bank of America?
>
> I ask because I received a request from an overseas customer and the
> request seems legit in other respects, but I am reluctant to deal with
> the kind of stuff where I have to walk in to the bank, speak to a
> supervisor and get it handled - it's a PITA and I'd rather just go
> through the drive-through and get my business done quick. And unless
> this is some form of Cashier's Check, there is no telling how long it
> will take for a check like this to clear and the funds to become
> available.
>
> Best regards,
>
> MikeG
>
> -
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>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers - accepting foreign checks in the US

[MexicoDoug]

Mike,

If he has a bank account, why don't you ask him to sign up with 
paypal?, they say it's free to send from there and charge a 2.5% 
premium (over interbank I suppose)


https://www.paypal.com/in/cgi-bin/helpscr?cmd=_display-fees-outside

also, ref:
http://niftyprediction.blogspot.com/2009/05/outward-remittance-how-to-send-money.html

Insist I am not a dealer, though, so the reply doesn't count.

Best wishes
Doug


-Original Message-
From: Michael Gilmer 
To: meteorite list 
Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:45 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers - accepting foreign 
checks in the US



Hi List,

Quick question for the dealers : have you ever heard of a US bank
accepting a check from an overseas bank?  Specifically, a check from
India from an Indian bank that is affiliated with Bank of America, and
the check in question will be drawn against Bank of America and can be
deposited or cashed at any Bank of America?

I ask because I received a request from an overseas customer and the
request seems legit in other respects, but I am reluctant to deal with
the kind of stuff where I have to walk in to the bank, speak to a
supervisor and get it handled - it's a PITA and I'd rather just go
through the drive-through and get my business done quick.  And unless
this is some form of Cashier's Check, there is no telling how long it
will take for a check like this to clear and the funds to become
available.

Best regards,

MikeG

-

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Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers - accepting foreign checks in the US

[mafer]

It can be done, but watch out. In Kentucky, they can hold the funds for 90
days (and will blame everyone else for it) while they use YOUR money for
themselves.

I am sure other states have similar laws which allow theft like this.


On 4:45:22 pm 08/09/11 Michael Gilmer  wrote:
> Hi List,
>
> Quick question for the dealers : have you ever heard of a US bank
> accepting a check from an overseas bank?  Specifically, a check from
> India from an Indian bank that is affiliated with Bank of America, and
> the check in question will be drawn against Bank of America and can be
> deposited or cashed at any Bank of America?
>
> I ask because I received a request from an overseas customer and the
> request seems legit in other respects, but I am reluctant to deal with
> the kind of stuff where I have to walk in to the bank, speak to a
> supervisor and get it handled - it's a PITA and I'd rather just go
> through the drive-through and get my business done quick.  And unless
> this is some form of Cashier's Check, there is no telling how long it
> will take for a check like this to clear and the funds to become
> available.
>
> Best regards,
>
> MikeG
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question meteoritesaler.com

[Stuart McDaniel]

So it is illegal to refer someone to someone's auction?



Stuart McDaniel
Lawndale, NC
Secr.,
Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society
IMCA #9052
Member - KCA, KBCA, CDUSA
-Original Message- 
From: Yinan Wang

Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 6:54 PM
To: Stuart McDaniel
Cc: David R Childs ; Adam Hupe ; METLIST
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question meteoritesaler.com

Unfortunately there's a dozen sites like this, so whenever you an
internet search for a meteorite they pop up if the meteorite happens
to be on ebay.

The reason they do this is because ebay has a referral program, so if
someone clicks on an auction link on one of these sites and wins the
ebay auction, the site owner gets a commission.

Not really a way to fight this if the site owner is well hidden,
unless you have the money to hire lawyers to pursue it.

-Yinan

On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Stuart McDaniel
 wrote:

How do they change prices on closed ebay auctions?



Stuart McDaniel
Lawndale, NC
Secr.,
Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society
IMCA #9052
Member - KCA, KBCA, CDUSA
-Original Message- From: David R Childs
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:12 PM
To: Adam Hupe
Cc: METLIST
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question meteoritesaler.com

Hi Adam,
I have tried every which way to find any viable info, ie, where are they
from, URL ID, etc etc. Zilch!
They are certaily breaching copyright laws.

Regards
David
- Original Message - From: "Adam Hupe" 
To: "Adam" 
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 9:20 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question meteoritesaler.com




I tried to contact them but there contact link is not valid. Does anybody
know
how to contact the person(s) that run this website:

http://meteoritesaler.com

They have been publishing copyrighted material and some of the closing
auction
prices are inaccurately and ridiculously low.  I had a customer thinking 
I

was
asking too much, even when offering an item way below wholesale because 
of

this
website.  It is hard enough to break even these days and I don't need a
site
publishing inaccurate auction results.

Best Regards,

Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question meteoritesaler.com

[Yinan Wang]

Unfortunately there's a dozen sites like this, so whenever you an
internet search for a meteorite they pop up if the meteorite happens
to be on ebay.

The reason they do this is because ebay has a referral program, so if
someone clicks on an auction link on one of these sites and wins the
ebay auction, the site owner gets a commission.

Not really a way to fight this if the site owner is well hidden,
unless you have the money to hire lawyers to pursue it.

-Yinan

On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Stuart McDaniel
 wrote:
> How do they change prices on closed ebay auctions?
>
>
>
> Stuart McDaniel
> Lawndale, NC
> Secr.,
> Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society
> IMCA #9052
> Member - KCA, KBCA, CDUSA
> -Original Message- From: David R Childs
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:12 PM
> To: Adam Hupe
> Cc: METLIST
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question meteoritesaler.com
>
> Hi Adam,
> I have tried every which way to find any viable info, ie, where are they
> from, URL ID, etc etc. Zilch!
> They are certaily breaching copyright laws.
>
> Regards
> David
> - Original Message - From: "Adam Hupe" 
> To: "Adam" 
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 9:20 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Question meteoritesaler.com
>
>
>>
>> I tried to contact them but there contact link is not valid. Does anybody
>> know
>> how to contact the person(s) that run this website:
>>
>> http://meteoritesaler.com
>>
>> They have been publishing copyrighted material and some of the closing
>> auction
>> prices are inaccurately and ridiculously low.  I had a customer thinking I
>> was
>> asking too much, even when offering an item way below wholesale because of
>> this
>> website.  It is hard enough to break even these days and I don't need a
>> site
>> publishing inaccurate auction results.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question meteoritesaler.com

[Stuart McDaniel]

How do they change prices on closed ebay auctions?



Stuart McDaniel
Lawndale, NC
Secr.,
Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society
IMCA #9052
Member - KCA, KBCA, CDUSA
-Original Message- 
From: David R Childs

Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:12 PM
To: Adam Hupe
Cc: METLIST
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question meteoritesaler.com

Hi Adam,
I have tried every which way to find any viable info, ie, where are they
from, URL ID, etc etc. Zilch!
They are certaily breaching copyright laws.

Regards
David
- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Hupe" 

To: "Adam" 
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 9:20 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question meteoritesaler.com




I tried to contact them but there contact link is not valid. Does anybody 
know

how to contact the person(s) that run this website:

http://meteoritesaler.com

They have been publishing copyrighted material and some of the closing 
auction
prices are inaccurately and ridiculously low.  I had a customer thinking I 
was
asking too much, even when offering an item way below wholesale because of 
this
website.  It is hard enough to break even these days and I don't need a 
site

publishing inaccurate auction results.

Best Regards,

Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question meteoritesaler.com

[John Lutzon]

 List,

 I have noticed these closing prices as well. I supposed they were posting
 "shipping costs" for some unknown reason.

 The other John L.

- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Hupe" 

To: "Adam" 
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:20 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question meteoritesaler.com




I tried to contact them but there contact link is not valid. Does anybody 
know

how to contact the person(s) that run this website:

http://meteoritesaler.com

They have been publishing copyrighted material and some of the closing 
auction
prices are inaccurately and ridiculously low.  I had a customer thinking 
I was
asking too much, even when offering an item way below wholesale because 
of this
website.  It is hard enough to break even these days and I don't need a 
site

publishing inaccurate auction results.

Best Regards,

Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question meteoritesaler.com

[David R Childs]

Hi Adam,
I have tried every which way to find any viable info, ie, where are they 
from, URL ID, etc etc. Zilch!

They are certaily breaching copyright laws.

Regards
David
- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Hupe" 

To: "Adam" 
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 9:20 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question meteoritesaler.com




I tried to contact them but there contact link is not valid. Does anybody 
know

how to contact the person(s) that run this website:

http://meteoritesaler.com

They have been publishing copyrighted material and some of the closing 
auction
prices are inaccurately and ridiculously low.  I had a customer thinking I 
was
asking too much, even when offering an item way below wholesale because of 
this
website.  It is hard enough to break even these days and I don't need a 
site

publishing inaccurate auction results.

Best Regards,

Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question meteoritesaler.com

[Galactic Stone & Ironworks]

Hi Adam,

This looks one of those rapidly thrown-together Wordpress sites.  It's
probably not even monitored by a real person.  They probably have bots
scanning the web for meteorite tags and reading RSS feeds of websites
to get their prices.  This doesn't explain why the prices are wrong,
but the site smells of contrivance to me.

Their network Who-Is info has been cloaked.  I would wager that the
same person(s) probably have a dozen or more sites like this that are
geared towards different types of collectibles or auctions.

It is aggravating to see sites like this poaching copyright material
and damaging the market by misquoting prices.

My advice - file a complaint with their webhosting company about
improper use of copyrighted material.  A reputable hosting site will
pull the site down for a TOS violation.

The DNS servers are "mediatemple.net" and the domain name was
purchased through "namecheap.com"

I can't readily tell who the host is though.

Best regards,

MikeG

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On 7/14/11, Adam Hupe  wrote:
>
> I tried to contact them but there contact link is not valid. Does anybody
> know
> how to contact the person(s) that run this website:
>
> http://meteoritesaler.com
>
> They have been publishing copyrighted material and some of the closing
> auction
> prices are inaccurately and ridiculously low.  I had a customer thinking I
> was
> asking too much, even when offering an item way below wholesale because of
> this
> website.  It is hard enough to break even these days and I don't need a site
> publishing inaccurate auction results.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] question eBay meteorite sellers?????

[Greg Hupé]

Hi Shawn and List,

The last time I listed anything on eBay was last Friday and I did see the 
option, maybe it was just removed in the last few days, or a temporary 
'glitch'??


I have a different issue with eBay but I understand why they do not allow 
it, more fees in their pockets. The issue is that when I want to offer a 
Met-List or IMCA Member discount on an item that has been purchased on eBay 
from me, eBay will not allow you to issue a discount on the invoice, I have 
to wait until full payment is made and then issue a partial refund in PayPal 
(or personal check), when using PayPal you can issue a partial refund on 
their payment, but can not include the eBay auction number or else you get 
an error message stating you can not, 'treat your customers with a 
discount'. Oh well, eBay can keep their fees, I am happy to offer discounts 
to my valued friends and customers!!


Best Regards,
Greg


Greg Hupé
The Hupé Collection
gmh...@centurylink.net
www.LunarRock.com
NaturesVault (eBay)
AncientDiscoveries (eBay)(formerly 'NaturesVault')
IMCA 3163

Click here for my current eBay auctions, I have two accounts now:
1) NaturesVault - http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
2) AncientDiscoveries (formerly 'NaturesVault') - 
http://shop.ebay.com/ancientdiscoveries/m.html?_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1



-Original Message- 
From: Shawn Alan

Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 11:59 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] question eBay meteorite sellers?

Hello Listers,

I have a question and was wondering any of you eBay meteorite sellers might 
be experiencing the same problem on eBay.


The question

When you post an auction you have the option to list in the UK market for a 
small fee in the check out section of the auction. But in the past week this 
option is gone. This has happened once before and was a glitch on the UK 
side is this a glitch again or is this option gone for good? Please let me 
know cause the eBay staff are  need I say more lol.



Shawn Alan
IMCA 1633
eBaystore
http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html


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Re: [meteorite-list] Question - Tucson Meteorite Auction 2012

[Count Deiro]

How much for the little sign?  I want to buy your signs..

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536


-Original Message-
>From: Jim Wooddell 
>Sent: May 22, 2011 6:52 PM
>To: Richard Montgomery 
>Cc: Meteorite List 
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question - Tucson Meteorite Auction 2012
>
>That's a cool picture/sign.
>
>Jim Wooddell
>
>On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Richard Montgomery
> wrote:
>> A-hah!  AGAIN, the deli-meat breccia question..Listers, this is a huge
>> development
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "John.L.Cabassi" 
>> To: "'Jim Wooddell'" ; "'Michael Blood'"
>> 
>> Cc: "'Meteorite List'" 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 5:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question - Tucson Meteorite Auction 2012
>>
>>
>> G'Day Jim , List
>>
>> What food?...SPAM AND EGGSAND
>>
>> http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/meteor-coffee.jpg
>>
>> Cheers John Cabassi
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
>> [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jim
>> Wooddell
>> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 4:53 PM
>> To: Michael Blood
>> Cc: Meteorite List
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question - Tucson Meteorite Auction 2012
>>
>>
>> Hi Michael and all!
>>
>> Okayso here is what I have so far!
>>
>> Day:  Feb 4th, Which is a Saturday
>> Time:  ???
>> Location:   VFW Post 4903.  1150 N. Beverly Ave.
>>
>> What time??
>>
>> What food?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Jim Wooddell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Michael Blood  wrote:
>>>
>>> I am already getting inquiries re the date of the 2012 Tucson
>>> Meteorite Auction.
>>> It is Sat, 4th
>>> There will be streaming video. There will be food. There will
>>> be meteorites. There will be Blood.
>>> Michael
>>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question - Tucson Meteorite Auction 2012

[Jim Wooddell]

That's a cool picture/sign.

Jim Wooddell

On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Richard Montgomery
 wrote:
> A-hah!  AGAIN, the deli-meat breccia question..Listers, this is a huge
> development
>
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "John.L.Cabassi" 
> To: "'Jim Wooddell'" ; "'Michael Blood'"
> 
> Cc: "'Meteorite List'" 
> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 5:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question - Tucson Meteorite Auction 2012
>
>
> G'Day Jim , List
>
> What food?...SPAM AND EGGSAND
>
> http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/meteor-coffee.jpg
>
> Cheers John Cabassi
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Wooddell
> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 4:53 PM
> To: Michael Blood
> Cc: Meteorite List
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question - Tucson Meteorite Auction 2012
>
>
> Hi Michael and all!
>
> Okayso here is what I have so far!
>
> Day:  Feb 4th, Which is a Saturday
> Time:  ???
> Location:   VFW Post 4903.  1150 N. Beverly Ave.
>
> What time??
>
> What food?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jim Wooddell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Michael Blood  wrote:
>>
>> I am already getting inquiries re the date of the 2012 Tucson
>> Meteorite Auction.
>> It is Sat, 4th
>> There will be streaming video. There will be food. There will
>> be meteorites. There will be Blood.
>> Michael
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question - Tucson Meteorite Auction 2012

[Richard Montgomery]

A-hah!  AGAIN, the deli-meat breccia question..Listers, this is a huge 
development




- Original Message - 
From: "John.L.Cabassi" 
To: "'Jim Wooddell'" ; "'Michael Blood'" 


Cc: "'Meteorite List'" 
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question - Tucson Meteorite Auction 2012


G'Day Jim , List

What food?...SPAM AND EGGSAND

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/meteor-coffee.jpg

Cheers John Cabassi



-Original Message-
From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Wooddell
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 4:53 PM
To: Michael Blood
Cc: Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question - Tucson Meteorite Auction 2012


Hi Michael and all!

Okayso here is what I have so far!

Day:  Feb 4th, Which is a Saturday
Time:  ???
Location:   VFW Post 4903.  1150 N. Beverly Ave.

What time??

What food?

Thanks!

Jim Wooddell





On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Michael Blood  wrote:

I am already getting inquiries re the date of the 2012 Tucson
Meteorite Auction.
It is Sat, 4th
There will be streaming video. There will be food. There will
be meteorites. There will be Blood.
Michael

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Re: [meteorite-list] Question - Tucson Meteorite Auction 2012

[Galactic Stone & Ironworks]

I have this same metal sign on the wall next to my specimen cabinet.  :)

Best regards,

MikeG

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On 5/22/11, John.L.Cabassi  wrote:
> G'Day Jim , List
>
> What food?...SPAM AND EGGSAND
>
> http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/meteor-coffee.jpg
>
> Cheers John Cabassi
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Wooddell
> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 4:53 PM
> To: Michael Blood
> Cc: Meteorite List
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question - Tucson Meteorite Auction 2012
>
>
> Hi Michael and all!
>
> Okayso here is what I have so far!
>
> Day:  Feb 4th, Which is a Saturday
> Time:  ???
> Location:   VFW Post 4903.  1150 N. Beverly Ave.
>
> What time??
>
> What food?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jim Wooddell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Michael Blood  wrote:
>>  I am already getting inquiries re the date of the 2012 Tucson
>> Meteorite Auction.
>>It is   Sat, 4th
>>There will be streaming video. There will be food. There will
>> be meteorites. There will be Blood.
>>Michael
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question - Tucson Meteorite Auction 2012

[John.L.Cabassi]

G'Day Jim , List

What food?...SPAM AND EGGSAND

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/meteor-coffee.jpg

Cheers John Cabassi



-Original Message-
From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Wooddell
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 4:53 PM
To: Michael Blood
Cc: Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question - Tucson Meteorite Auction 2012


Hi Michael and all!

Okayso here is what I have so far!

Day:  Feb 4th, Which is a Saturday
Time:  ???
Location:   VFW Post 4903.  1150 N. Beverly Ave.

What time??

What food?

Thanks!

Jim Wooddell





On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Michael Blood  wrote:
>  I am already getting inquiries re the date of the 2012 Tucson 
> Meteorite Auction.
>        It is   Sat, 4th
>        There will be streaming video. There will be food. There will 
> be meteorites. There will be Blood.
>        Michael
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question - Tucson Meteorite Auction 2012

[Jim Wooddell]

Hi Michael and all!

Okayso here is what I have so far!

Day:  Feb 4th, Which is a Saturday
Time:  ???
Location:   VFW Post 4903.  1150 N. Beverly Ave.

What time??

What food?

Thanks!

Jim Wooddell





On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Michael Blood  wrote:
>  I am already getting inquiries re the date of the 2012 Tucson
> Meteorite Auction.
>        It is   Sat, 4th
>        There will be streaming video. There will be food.
> There will be meteorites. There will be Blood.
>        Michael
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question - meteorites returned from Moon

[aerubin]

The sample described in the McSween paper is Bench Crater.  There are  
also a few iron fragments that are probably iron meteorites, but they  
have not been officially designated.  There are probably additional  
small meteorites waiting to be discovered.



Quoting tracy latimer :



Is this a third meteorite fragment, distinct from Hadley Rille and  
Bench Crater?  Could there be more waiting to be found on continued  
inspection?


Best!
Tracy Latimer


From: lgar...@asu.edu
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 10:06:42 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question - meteorites returned from Moon

A 1976 paper in Earth and Planetary Science Letters describes a  
unique chondrite (meteorite) returned from the Moon. The fragment  
measures 3 x 1.5 mm and shows some similarities with the CI  
meteorites.


McSween (1976) A new type of chondritic meteorite found in Lunar  
soil. Earth and Planetary Science Letter, 31, 193-199.


Laurence
CMS
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question - Tucson Meteorite Auction 2012

[Michael Blood]

 I am already getting inquiries re the date of the 2012 Tucson
Meteorite Auction. 
It is   Sat, 4th
There will be streaming video. There will be food.
There will be meteorites. There will be Blood.
Michael



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Re: [meteorite-list] Question - meteorites returned from Moon

[tracy latimer]

Is this a third meteorite fragment, distinct from Hadley Rille and Bench 
Crater?  Could there be more waiting to be found on continued inspection?

Best!
Tracy Latimer

> From: lgar...@asu.edu
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 10:06:42 -0700
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Question - meteorites returned from Moon
> 
> A 1976 paper in Earth and Planetary Science Letters describes a unique 
> chondrite (meteorite) returned from the Moon. The fragment measures 3 x 1.5 
> mm and shows some similarities with the CI meteorites.
> 
> McSween (1976) A new type of chondritic meteorite found in Lunar soil. Earth 
> and Planetary Science Letter, 31, 193-199.
> 
> Laurence
> CMS
> ASU
> 

  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question

[aerubin]

There are two named meteorites returned among the Apollo samples:  
Bench Crater and Hadley Rille.



Quoting pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com:


I don't guess I have ever seen this anywhere.
Does anyone know if any Apollo Lunar
returned rocks were "Meteorites"?
Any answers out there
Pete IMCA 1733

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Re: [meteorite-list] Question

[Ted Bunch]

No, none.

Ted


On 5/21/11 3:13 PM, "pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com"
 wrote:

> I don't guess I have ever seen this anywhere.
> Does anyone know if any Apollo Lunar
> returned rocks were "Meteorites"?
> Any answers out there
> Pete IMCA 1733
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Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION- Al Mahbas

[Michael Farmer]

I submitted the Al Mahbas pallasite to Ted Bunch many years ago, like so many 
other meteorites that I  submitted type specimens for, it vanished. I went to 
the strewn field and found pieces myself, there is a story about it on my 
website. It came out later under several different nwa numbers. should be 
called al mahbas as I confirmed the location by finding pieces myself before 
being chased away by Algerian border guards.
Sadly a nice and very rare pallasite was dumped into the nwa batch names. 
Michael Farmr

Michael Farmer

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On May 7, 2011, at 7:11 AM, "John Lutzon"  wrote:

> Hello All,
> 
> I recently posted pics (EoM) of a slice of Al Mahbas and listed it as NWA 
> 2683. As i noticed that no one else has done the same;--is this appropriate 
> or did i jump the gun?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> John
> IMCA #1896 
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Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION- Al Mahbas

[R N Hartman]

NWA 2683 is provisonal but the pallasites are real!  Since its been 6.5 
years, strange that it has not yet been classified.


Ron Hartman

- Original Message - 
From: "John Lutzon" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 6:11 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] QUESTION- Al Mahbas



Hello All,

I recently posted pics (EoM) of a slice of Al Mahbas and listed it as NWA 
2683. As i noticed that no one else has done the same;--is this 
appropriate or did i jump the gun?


Thanks

John
IMCA #1896
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question: Sun/Moon

[John Lutzon]

P.S.

No-one is to tell Jerry Armstrong that i asked this question--Promise.

J


- Original Message - 
From: "John Lutzon" 

To: "Murray Paulson" 
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question: Sun/Moon




Duh... Don't know what i was thinking...
Thanks

"better than anyone you know" !!!

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From: "Murray Paulson" 

To: "John Lutzon" ; 
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question: Sun/Moon



Hi:

Yes they can be! I have seen them many times when the angle is more
like .5 degree and less. Yes, a solar eclipse is one occasion when you
cna see both in such proximity. As for the sun below the horizon and
the moon above, new moon, the record les at somwhere between 10 to 12
degrees.

Murray Paulson

On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 7:09 PM, John Lutzon  wrote:

Hello All,

May i ask a silly question? Answer, better than anyone you know.

Well, will our Sun and Moon ever be <15 degrees apart from each other, 
as

observed from Earth?
Can this occurance be calculated or is it an impossibility?

John
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question: Sun/Moon

[John Lutzon]

Duh... Don't know what i was thinking...
Thanks

"better than anyone you know" !!!

- Original Message - 
From: "Murray Paulson" 

To: "John Lutzon" ; 
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question: Sun/Moon



Hi:

Yes they can be! I have seen them many times when the angle is more
like .5 degree and less. Yes, a solar eclipse is one occasion when you
cna see both in such proximity. As for the sun below the horizon and
the moon above, new moon, the record les at somwhere between 10 to 12
degrees.

Murray Paulson

On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 7:09 PM, John Lutzon  wrote:

Hello All,

May i ask a silly question? Answer, better than anyone you know.

Well, will our Sun and Moon ever be <15 degrees apart from each other, as
observed from Earth?
Can this occurance be calculated or is it an impossibility?

John
IMCA# 1896
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question: Sun/Moon

[Murray Paulson]

Hi:

Yes they can be! I have seen them many times when the angle is more
like .5 degree and less. Yes, a solar eclipse is one occasion when you
cna see both in such proximity. As for the sun below the horizon and
the moon above, new moon, the record les at somwhere between 10 to 12
degrees.

Murray Paulson

On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 7:09 PM, John Lutzon  wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> May i ask a silly question? Answer, better than anyone you know.
>
> Well, will our Sun and Moon ever be <15 degrees apart from each other, as
> observed from Earth?
> Can this occurance be calculated or is it an impossibility?
>
> John
> IMCA# 1896
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question: Sun/Moon

[Mark's Meteorites]

Hi John,

Not quite sure what you mean... if the question is, 'less than 15 degrees apart 
in the sky, as observed from earth', then the answer is yes - every new moon. 
In some cases the angle is essentially  zero - whenever there's a solar eclipse.

M
On 16 Apr 2011, at 02:09, John Lutzon wrote:

> Hello All,
> 
> May i ask a silly question? Answer, better than anyone you know.
> 
> Well, will our Sun and Moon ever be <15 degrees apart from each other, as 
> observed from Earth?
> Can this occurance be calculated or is it an impossibility?
> 
> John
> IMCA# 1896 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items

[Alexander Seidel]

Exactly, Martin! So it was, once upon a time...!
[Uncle] Alex


 Original-Nachricht 
> Datum: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 03:43:17 +0200
> Von: "Martin Altmann" 
> An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items

> Uncle Alexander, where art thou?
> 
> You have to tell the old stories to the Youth,
> who doesn't want to bear the incredible hardship, to type for a minute an
> electric message into their newfangled apparatuses and to wait another
> minute for an answer, in acquiring a desired meteorite specimen.
> 
> Tell them from the days, where the collectors sat down, painting with the
> stylus a letter on real paper, putting it in an envelope, taking a walk to
> the post office,
> and where the happy ending, after that kind of conversation forth and
> back,
> eventuated after months with the find of the specimen in the letter box.
> 
> Tell them, how people spent only for making enquiries after a specimen and
> to come to terms for oversea-calls more than today a 3 pound Campo does
> cost.
> 
> Tell them the anecdotes, that collectors sometimes paid the flight for the
> finder, for him to come to show a stone to them.
> 
> Tell them, how the collectors travelled a thousand miles to the show, to
> visit two handful of rotten ordinary chondrites.
> 
> Meteorites!  Pieces of other worlds, of The Moon and Planet Mars!!
> 
> Uncle Alex, see them bluster with SUCH a material, as if they would have
> to
> wait a minute too long at the counter for receiving their burgers!
> 
> O tempora, o mores!
> 
> The World as Will and Ebay;
> Or Meteorites are Socks.
> 
> ;-)
> Martin
> 
> 
>  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items

[MEM]

- Original Message 
> From: Norm Lehrman 
I would appreciate your thoughts on this.   For a long time, when I 
> was updating a "sold" item, I left the asking price  visible.  

Norm, I prefer the asking price be left--we understand that some deals  are 
made 
to special clients but the world need not know the specifics that is why we 
call 
it an asking price.  I think that is a good compromise between removing it 
immediately and leaving it up for the time you have a particular meteorite in 
inventory.  Future resale is in most --but not all cases more than a week from 
purchase to resale.  I can't see how the asking price being listed on the 
website would influence a short term sale anyway.

Elton
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items

[MEM]

Michael Mulgrew wrote:
<>.  




 Speaking as a collector and meteorophille,  I've no objection to leaving up 
"sold" meteorite photos for as long as the website owner wishes.  As a long 
time 
affiliate who understands the importance of viewing as many meteorite photos as 
possible, I  have no difficulty distinguishing between available specimens and 
sold specimens.  I also am able to get a better characterization of the stone 
as 
a whole rather than what sliver is left in inventory.  It gives perspective to 
the cutable yield of a given meteorite and lets me know where my specimen of 
choice stands in relation to the characterization of the entire stock.  
Especially when there is a low TKW or especially rare mineralogy.

Heaven knows, there are probably those who collect meteorites that think they 
are found  beside the road already cut into nice little thin section butts or 
so 
it seems at times.  That is their prerogative but,  I'd much rather see 
collectors who aren't so shallow and took a little effort to actually 
appreciate 
meteorites for their scientific value aka meta-knowledge they can give, and not 
just another Beanie Baby they must have on their crowed shelf. 


 I also like to see pilgrims come here and ask learn why rather than assume 
everyone before them was uninformed, isolated from the main stream and just did 
things in an arbitrary way.  There is a lot I'd like to see if I were king but, 
 
since I am not,  I'll defer to the generally good judgment of my colleagues and 
let them operate their business as they wish( so long as they are honest and 
legal) and be grateful for their taking the effort to post so many photos for 
me 
to study.

Dealers--please keep your photo collection intact until long after your 
inventory is exhausted. In fact show me more!

Elton
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items

[Norm Lehrman]

All,

This is an interesting question with important nuances.  I am one that does 
leave many sold items pictured (but I do endeavor to marke them "sold" ASAP).

Here's why I do it:  The items we sell, each and every one of them, are 
unique.  
It is not like listing a particular stock item that was mass produced.  We do 
have categories and types and sub-types, but in the end, a whole long list of 
individuals.  As a consequence, every specimen has a unique value.  One 
displays 
this feature supremely well, another presents other aspects well.  One glorious 
piece has it all.  I leave pictures of sold items on the website to help 
collectors to develop a sense of perspective.  How can you recognize a truly 
superb Besednice moldavite if you don't have some frame of reference for the 
range of attributes possible?

So that is my "why".  But there is another question that has not been mentioned 
thus far, and I would appreciate your thoughts on this.  For a long time, when 
I 
was updating a "sold" item, I left the asking price visible.  The thought, in 
line with the preceeding paragraph, was to help provide perspective as to what 
other "willing buyers" had accepted as a fair price for a piece of a particular 
quality.  


However, I also recognize that the day comes when a buyer may wish to resell, 
and at that point, the price they paid for the piece should be a private 
matter.  In fact, some buyers may not want their significant others finding out 
the buying price for that great specimen they just bought instead of paying the 
rent!   So, I increasingly do remove the purchase price when I mark something 
"sold" (but I hope that potential buyers may be able to infer from my long 
listing of "sold" items that many collectors have judged my pricing 
reasonable---).  Do you want the purchase price deleted or do you find value in 
being able to see what was actually paid for a specimen?

Periodically, I do go through our listings and weed out most of the sold items, 
leaving only a selection of some of the best of the best "sold" items still 
pictured.  But for those of you who don't maintain your own websites, it is 
worth noting that this involves identifying the particular thumbnail photo that 
links to particular blow-up, then deleting those images and changing the 
associated page to delete references to those images, etc, etc.  Frankly, there 
comes a point where it is easier to just leave it all there.  Lazy is part of 
the answer to the original question---

Cheers,
Norm  (http://tektitesource.com)
(back home for a month, then back to Africa---)



 


- Original Message 
From: Michael Gilmer 
To: Shawn Alan 
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011 7:59:52 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items

Hi List,

Martin and Shawn raised a couple of good points.  Old-school
collectors bought specimens via snail mail and telephone calls,
sometimes without seeing a photo of a specimen.  Some dealers like Bob
Haag had catalogues with photos and descriptions, but many had simple
price lists with nothing more than a line or two describing the
specimen.  Today, we have instant gratification and can shop online
for meteorites as if we are buying shoes or a hat.  But, meteorites
are unique and unusual, so they are ill-suited for a quickie "drive
through" type of sales medium.  Some of the newer dealers have very
nice and flashy websites that are quite effective, but much of the
meteorite world is still operating by it's own rules, so change comes
slowly.

Heck, I still buy the occasional specimen via snail mail and
price-list.  I've bought specimens from Blaine Reed, sight-unseen with
just a brief text description and price.  Not one time have I been
disappointed, and it's exciting to open the package and see the
specimen for the first time.  It's a thrill one can't really get when
you have already seen a dozen hi-res photos from every possible angle
before receiving it in hand.

As for the dealers who still have archives or pages full of sold
specimens, I have no problem with it, if the specimens are marked as
"sold" on the website, and the website is updated on a regular basis
or semi-regular basis.  When I can't tell which specimens are sold and
which are not, that can be frustrating.

Best regards,

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On 4/12/11, Shawn Alan  wrote:
>

Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items

[Richard Kowalski]

These damn whippersnappers! In my day we used to walk 5 miles to school in the 
driving snow, in June. And it was uphill against the wind in both directions!

Sorry to be a little tongue in cheek there, but that's what it sounds like. 
Yes. I've purchase meteorites, this year in fact, sight unseen. The dealer and 
their reputation is a testament to this. I also send email inquiring if items I 
am interested in are available. Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't.

It makes little sense to me to fill an inventory page with material you no 
longer have for sale. It takes just as much time, money and effort to remove an 
item as it does to mark it sold and in an age when you can get a dedicated 
website with unlimited bandwidth for <$5 a month, and you can update your site 
instantly with your cell phone, I guess I have a hard time understanding why 
you wouldn't do that.

Of course you can always not list any inventory on your site and just tell 
people to contact you for a copy of your snail mail price list...

Cheers

--
Richard Kowalski
Full Moon Photography
IMCA #1081


--- On Tue, 4/12/11, Martin Altmann  wrote:

> From: Martin Altmann 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 6:43 PM
> Uncle Alexander, where art thou?
> 
> You have to tell the old stories to the Youth,
> who doesn't want to bear the incredible hardship, to type
> for a minute an
> electric message into their newfangled apparatuses and to
> wait another
> minute for an answer, in acquiring a desired meteorite
> specimen.
> 
> Tell them from the days, where the collectors sat down,
> painting with the
> stylus a letter on real paper, putting it in an envelope,
> taking a walk to
> the post office,
> and where the happy ending, after that kind of conversation
> forth and back,
> eventuated after months with the find of the specimen in
> the letter box.
> 
> Tell them, how people spent only for making enquiries after
> a specimen and
> to come to terms for oversea-calls more than today a 3
> pound Campo does
> cost.
> 
> Tell them the anecdotes, that collectors sometimes paid the
> flight for the
> finder, for him to come to show a stone to them.
> 
> Tell them, how the collectors travelled a thousand miles to
> the show, to
> visit two handful of rotten ordinary chondrites.
> 
> Meteorites!  Pieces of other worlds, of The Moon
> and Planet Mars!!
> 
> Uncle Alex, see them bluster with SUCH a material, as if
> they would have to
> wait a minute too long at the counter for receiving their
> burgers!
> 
> O tempora, o mores!
> 
> The World as Will and Ebay;
> Or Meteorites are Socks.
> 
> ;-)
> Martin
> 
> 
>  
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items

[meteoriteguy.com]

For those of us who spend most of our time hunting meteorites in the field, for 
me meaning overseas, we just do not have the time needed to update enough. My 
site has more than 50 pages of meteorites, in the las 6 months I have only 
updated about 10 of them. Often now when I get a new meteorite, it is sold 
without ever going on the site, just more Efficient for me. It mostly comes 
down to time though.
Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 12, 2011, at 6:21 PM, Michael Mulgrew  wrote:

> List,
> 
> I am curious why almost every meteorite dealer's website displays
> specimens that have already sold right along side specimens that are
> in stock and available for sale?  I do not know of any other market
> that does this; it is unique to meteorites in my experiences.  As a
> collector/prospective buyer I do not see the upside to this practice.
> It does nothing for helping me find what I'm looking for; in fact it
> is counter productive when I am shopping for a specimen as it makes it
> more difficult to see what is actually available for sale.  It's
> synonymous with looking for clothes in your size and every store has
> displays showing your size but not actually selling any clothes that
> fit you.  Maybe a separate page for "Sold Specimens" would be more
> appropriate if there was a need that I am not aware of to display
> pieces that have already been sold?  I look forward to becoming
> educated on this matter.
> 
> Regards,
> Michael in so. Cal.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items

[Michael Mulgrew]

List,

I appreciate all of the responses, both on- and off-list.  It appears
to me that the #1 reasons for leaving SOLD items up is a lack of time,
3rd party hosting, or added expense to keep the web page up-to-date.
I can fully appreciate these reasons.  I also appreciate the resumé,
so to speak, that leaving up SOLD pieces build.  This history lesson
hits home with me on how things used to be, but I'm a progressive
person and I'd like to see current technologies utilized more
efficiently rather than reminisce about the past. :)

Speaking purely as a consumer I would recommend that dealers make the
time or find the resources to more clearly differentiate between SOLD
and FOR SALE items rather than having them all lumped together.  This
would serve the buying public better.  I'm sure there is no shortage
of thesis papers written by marketers on the best ways to present
items one is attempting to sell; there's undoubtedly a whole
psychology behind it.  As a few members have already elluded to,
sometimes seeing SOLD everywhere is enough to make the stop shopping -
surely not what any dealers wants from their website.

The simplest think to do would be to move a sold item to the bottom of
the page that it is on and have a clear division on the page between
in-stock and sold.  The time it takes to overwrite the price with the
SOLD text would be about the same as to cut and paste the sold
specimen to the bottom of the page.  A more elegant solution (although
more time intensive) would be to have a separate portion of the web
site devoted to previously sold specimens.

My humble $0.02,
Michael in so. Cal.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items

[Michael Gilmer]

Hi List,

Martin and Shawn raised a couple of good points.  Old-school
collectors bought specimens via snail mail and telephone calls,
sometimes without seeing a photo of a specimen.  Some dealers like Bob
Haag had catalogues with photos and descriptions, but many had simple
price lists with nothing more than a line or two describing the
specimen.  Today, we have instant gratification and can shop online
for meteorites as if we are buying shoes or a hat.  But, meteorites
are unique and unusual, so they are ill-suited for a quickie "drive
through" type of sales medium.  Some of the newer dealers have very
nice and flashy websites that are quite effective, but much of the
meteorite world is still operating by it's own rules, so change comes
slowly.

Heck, I still buy the occasional specimen via snail mail and
price-list.  I've bought specimens from Blaine Reed, sight-unseen with
just a brief text description and price.  Not one time have I been
disappointed, and it's exciting to open the package and see the
specimen for the first time.  It's a thrill one can't really get when
you have already seen a dozen hi-res photos from every possible angle
before receiving it in hand.

As for the dealers who still have archives or pages full of sold
specimens, I have no problem with it, if the specimens are marked as
"sold" on the website, and the website is updated on a regular basis
or semi-regular basis.  When I can't tell which specimens are sold and
which are not, that can be frustrating.

Best regards,

MikeG

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On 4/12/11, Shawn Alan  wrote:
> I would say Dealers leave sold items on the website because it shows the
> buyers what they have sold in the past and also it builds up there
> reputation of their dealings in a since its a resume. If I went to a website
> and only saw a couple items that they have and nothing else I would think
> twice and would even think they are a small time player. But it can be
> discouraging that when you think you have found that meteorite and when you
> click on the image you see that its sold. That is the nature of collecting,
> but again, Anne Black said always ask. I have to agree on that too.
>
> Shawn Alan
> IMCA 1633
> eBaystore
> http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html
>
>
> [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold itemsMichael
> Mulgrew mikestang at gmail.com
> Tue Apr 12 19:21:29 EDT 2011
>
>
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> List,
>
> I am curious why almost every meteorite dealer's website displays
> specimens that have already sold right along side specimens that are
> in stock and available for sale? I do not know of any other market
> that does this; it is unique to meteorites in my experiences. As a
> collector/prospective buyer I do not see the upside to this practice.
> It does nothing for helping me find what I'm looking for; in fact it
> is counter productive when I am shopping for a specimen as it makes it
> more difficult to see what is actually available for sale. It's
> synonymous with looking for clothes in your size and every store has
> displays showing your size but not actually selling any clothes that
> fit you. Maybe a separate page for "Sold Specimens" would be more
> appropriate if there was a need that I am not aware of to display
> pieces that have already been sold? I look forward to becoming
> educated on this matter.
>
> Regards,
> Michael in so. Cal.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items

[Stuart McDaniel]

Well said Richard. I totally agree.



Stuart McDaniel
Lawndale, NC
Secr.,
Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society
IMCA #9052
Member - KCA, KBCA, CDUSA
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From: Richard Kowalski

Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 9:12 PM
To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items

Let's see if this one posts. Another post I sent at least 4 hours ago hasn't 
come up yet...


As a collector, I've been really frustrated by how wide spread the lack of 
interest in maintaining one's website actually is. As you point our often 
the sites are filled with items already sold. I know of at least one dealer 
who has told me that for the most part given up on updating his site.


Personally, when I am looking for a specimen to buy, I couldn't care less 
what a dealer used to have for sale. It does me no good. If a dealer has an 
archive section for these, or put sold items at the bottom of the page, 
that's fine. For me, there isn't much worse than opening a page and seeing a 
sea of items that have already been "SOLD". This often stops me from looking 
for much more.


It has gotten to the point that I'll almost never go to dealer websites 
unless they post a link to fresh stock I am interested here or on Facebook.



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Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items

[Martin Altmann]

Uncle Alexander, where art thou?

You have to tell the old stories to the Youth,
who doesn't want to bear the incredible hardship, to type for a minute an
electric message into their newfangled apparatuses and to wait another
minute for an answer, in acquiring a desired meteorite specimen.

Tell them from the days, where the collectors sat down, painting with the
stylus a letter on real paper, putting it in an envelope, taking a walk to
the post office,
and where the happy ending, after that kind of conversation forth and back,
eventuated after months with the find of the specimen in the letter box.

Tell them, how people spent only for making enquiries after a specimen and
to come to terms for oversea-calls more than today a 3 pound Campo does
cost.

Tell them the anecdotes, that collectors sometimes paid the flight for the
finder, for him to come to show a stone to them.

Tell them, how the collectors travelled a thousand miles to the show, to
visit two handful of rotten ordinary chondrites.

Meteorites!  Pieces of other worlds, of The Moon and Planet Mars!!

Uncle Alex, see them bluster with SUCH a material, as if they would have to
wait a minute too long at the counter for receiving their burgers!

O tempora, o mores!

The World as Will and Ebay;
Or Meteorites are Socks.

;-)
Martin


 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items

[Stuart McDaniel]

Why not move them to a "sold page" seems that would be more productive. I 
find myself doing the same thing. If I see a bunch marked sold I usually 
lose interest pretty quick and move on.




Stuart McDaniel
Lawndale, NC
Secr.,
Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society
IMCA #9052
Member - KCA, KBCA, CDUSA
-Original Message- 
From: Yinan Wang

Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 8:37 PM
To: Michael Mulgrew
Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items

It's also kinda nice to have up pictures of past sold specimens. You
put a lot of time and effort into photography and web design, seems a
waste to delete things!

-YvW

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Michael Mulgrew  
wrote:

List,

I am curious why almost every meteorite dealer's website displays
specimens that have already sold right along side specimens that are
in stock and available for sale?  I do not know of any other market
that does this; it is unique to meteorites in my experiences.  As a
collector/prospective buyer I do not see the upside to this practice.
It does nothing for helping me find what I'm looking for; in fact it
is counter productive when I am shopping for a specimen as it makes it
more difficult to see what is actually available for sale.  It's
synonymous with looking for clothes in your size and every store has
displays showing your size but not actually selling any clothes that
fit you.  Maybe a separate page for "Sold Specimens" would be more
appropriate if there was a need that I am not aware of to display
pieces that have already been sold?  I look forward to becoming
educated on this matter.

Regards,
Michael in so. Cal.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items

[Richard Kowalski]

Let's see if this one posts. Another post I sent at least 4 hours ago hasn't 
come up yet...

As a collector, I've been really frustrated by how wide spread the lack of 
interest in maintaining one's website actually is. As you point our often the 
sites are filled with items already sold. I know of at least one dealer who has 
told me that for the most part given up on updating his site.

Personally, when I am looking for a specimen to buy, I couldn't care less what 
a dealer used to have for sale. It does me no good. If a dealer has an archive 
section for these, or put sold items at the bottom of the page, that's fine. 
For me, there isn't much worse than opening a page and seeing a sea of items 
that have already been "SOLD". This often stops me from looking for much more.

It has gotten to the point that I'll almost never go to dealer websites unless 
they post a link to fresh stock I am interested here or on Facebook.


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Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items

[Don Merchant]

Hi Michael. I feel your pain. I know that I have shopped around and several 
times I found a specimen I was interested in that did not have a "sold" next 
to it. I would email the Dealer/Seller of my interest, only to find out it 
was sold. It would bum me out, I'll admit. Seems logical that has soon as it 
is sold, it should be removed immediately or at the least have a "sold" on 
the specimen as soon as possible. It's possible Michael that some 
Dealers/Sellers cannot do their Website and thus must pay or wait till 
someone can make changes. I have my Website and am lucky I can make changes 
right away. I have to admit I do spend too much time on itALWAYS 
updating  I do my best to be loyal to my Buyers/Visitors. To be successful, 
especially with the business of Meteorites, one has to keep these Buyers, 
Potential Buyers, Visitors and People browsers up to date and fully aware of 
available stock. The world of technology, the internet and mobility leaves 
few stones for excuses. Not trying to offend anybody just my thought and 
only my thought.

Sincerely
Don Merchant
Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders
http://www.ctreasurescwonders.com/index.html
IMCA #0960
- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Mulgrew" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 6:21 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items



List,

I am curious why almost every meteorite dealer's website displays
specimens that have already sold right along side specimens that are
in stock and available for sale?  I do not know of any other market
that does this; it is unique to meteorites in my experiences.  As a
collector/prospective buyer I do not see the upside to this practice.
It does nothing for helping me find what I'm looking for; in fact it
is counter productive when I am shopping for a specimen as it makes it
more difficult to see what is actually available for sale.  It's
synonymous with looking for clothes in your size and every store has
displays showing your size but not actually selling any clothes that
fit you.  Maybe a separate page for "Sold Specimens" would be more
appropriate if there was a need that I am not aware of to display
pieces that have already been sold?  I look forward to becoming
educated on this matter.

Regards,
Michael in so. Cal.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items

[Michael Gilmer]

Hi Gang,

In my case, I offer mostly micromounts, so keeping dozens of redundant
photos of small crumbs doesn't hold any value in terms of keeping a
record.  For larger pieces, I'll keep the specimen online for a couple
of weeks - long enough for the buyer to receive the specimen and
compare it to the listing on the website (if they desire).  Then, I do
periodic "prunings" where I delete older sold listings, rotate items
in/out of the "brand new" category, add new content (articles), etc.

I use a hosted ecommerce service that is "turn key".  I pay a set fee
per month that is not based on sales like eBay is.  Instead, I pay
based on how much server resources my online store consumes -
bandwidth, disk space, etc.  One of the criteria used for billing is
the number of items in a store.  If I exceed a certain number of
items, I pay an increased fee.  So, I keep my overall number of
listings trimmed down to a limit.  If I kept a long-term record of all
sold items, I would have exceeded that limit long ago.

I do keep a permanent record of old photos of sold/traded specimens on
my hard-drive and on back-up storage media.

Best regards,

MikeG

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On 4/12/11, Bob King  wrote:
> Just to make us drool over the ones we missed! I imagine that they're
> left up to build interest in the specimen. Kind of a 'better get it
> now' or soon they'll all be sold approach.
> Bob
>
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 6:22 PM,   wrote:
>> Because we're to lazy to update our websites. Simple as that.
>>
>> Take a look at mine - I don't think its been updated in nearly 3 years!
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Michael Mulgrew 
>> Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:21:29
>> To: 
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items
>>
>> List,
>>
>> I am curious why almost every meteorite dealer's website displays
>> specimens that have already sold right along side specimens that are
>> in stock and available for sale?  I do not know of any other market
>> that does this; it is unique to meteorites in my experiences.  As a
>> collector/prospective buyer I do not see the upside to this practice.
>> It does nothing for helping me find what I'm looking for; in fact it
>> is counter productive when I am shopping for a specimen as it makes it
>> more difficult to see what is actually available for sale.  It's
>> synonymous with looking for clothes in your size and every store has
>> displays showing your size but not actually selling any clothes that
>> fit you.  Maybe a separate page for "Sold Specimens" would be more
>> appropriate if there was a need that I am not aware of to display
>> pieces that have already been sold?  I look forward to becoming
>> educated on this matter.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Michael in so. Cal.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items

[fallingfusion]

I should have noted that although I am not a "dealer" per say, my website still 
needs quite an update/redesign, ect. regardless. 

Dealers who did not produce their own website most likely don't have the 
capability to update it each time a specimen sells. Furthermore, each 
individual update made costs money, paid to the individual or company hired out 
to maintain the website for them.

Ryan

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Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:21:29 
To: 
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items

List,

I am curious why almost every meteorite dealer's website displays
specimens that have already sold right along side specimens that are
in stock and available for sale?  I do not know of any other market
that does this; it is unique to meteorites in my experiences.  As a
collector/prospective buyer I do not see the upside to this practice.
It does nothing for helping me find what I'm looking for; in fact it
is counter productive when I am shopping for a specimen as it makes it
more difficult to see what is actually available for sale.  It's
synonymous with looking for clothes in your size and every store has
displays showing your size but not actually selling any clothes that
fit you.  Maybe a separate page for "Sold Specimens" would be more
appropriate if there was a need that I am not aware of to display
pieces that have already been sold?  I look forward to becoming
educated on this matter.

Regards,
Michael in so. Cal.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items

[Martin Altmann]

>I do not know of any other market that does this.

I do.
Fine Art dealers, numismatic dealers, artifacts auction houses, high-end
antique book shops ect..

And finally, Michael, we're talking about meteorites!
Everything else than a run-of-the-mills-market like the above mentioned  ;-)
And certainly not such ordinary and easy reproducible commodities and trivia
like artifacts, fossils or precious stones. 

Well, often it isn't laziness.
Look, the few meteorite dealers of the world have permanently to deliver a
better performance than all Antarctic teams together, but without having the
background of dozens and dozens of millions $ a year.

It is a very hard job.
And unfortunately by far not so rewarding like the DiMartinos, Broads,
Smiths and Bevanists of this World do believe in their wet dreams.

That you can estimate, in the observation, that almost none of them, even
not the top-dealers, are able to have employees like any foot care shop or
little book shop has.

Therefore it's simply the lack of time.

Best!
Martin

PS: Although meteorites can be as cheap as clothes, they aren't any.
Michael, that kilo-lump of old uNWA, you're buying at 50 bucks, is still as
rare as 1kg of top-diamonds.

That's btw. why we all are so upset about the NYT-article,
because if everywhere prohibition is introduced, there will be no meteorites
anymore.
Cause they are so horribly difficult to find, that no university could spend
that time and money to find them.
And these regular official expeditions we have, are not able to cover the
scientific demand.
That's why we're always talking about these protectionists, not because we
would care about their characters and motifs, but because we're all afraid,
that they are really so stupid, to bring modern meteoritics worldwide to an
end. (Which means, that they would make also their own jobs obsolete,
ouch!).

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Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. April 2011 02:22
An: Michael Mulgrew; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items

Because we're to lazy to update our websites. Simple as that.

Take a look at mine - I don't think its been updated in nearly 3 years!

Ryan

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From: Michael Mulgrew 
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Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:21:29 
To: 
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items

List,

I am curious why almost every meteorite dealer's website displays
specimens that have already sold right along side specimens that are
in stock and available for sale?  I do not know of any other market
that does this; it is unique to meteorites in my experiences.  As a
collector/prospective buyer I do not see the upside to this practice.
It does nothing for helping me find what I'm looking for; in fact it
is counter productive when I am shopping for a specimen as it makes it
more difficult to see what is actually available for sale.  It's
synonymous with looking for clothes in your size and every store has
displays showing your size but not actually selling any clothes that
fit you.  Maybe a separate page for "Sold Specimens" would be more
appropriate if there was a need that I am not aware of to display
pieces that have already been sold?  I look forward to becoming
educated on this matter.

Regards,
Michael in so. Cal.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items

[Mark Grossman]

Autograph dealers who deal in one of a kind items usually remove or archive 
the items once they are sold.


Mark

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- Original Message - 
From: "Joe Kerchner" 

To: "meteorite list" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items


One reason is that a lot of the dealers who run a use a website to sell the 
meteorites, do not run and/or edit the website themselves. and do not have 
it set so that once one is sold it is removed. Also "all other markets" do 
not sell one of a kind items like meteorites, when something is sold, there 
is usually more in stock so they do not need to edit their website each time 
they make a sale.. Just my 2 cents... I may be way off and it is that we are 
just too lazy.


Best Wishes,
Joe Kerchner
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http://illinoismeteorites.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl (The SkyRock Cafe)
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--- On Tue, 4/12/11, Yinan Wang  wrote:


From: Yinan Wang 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold 
items

To: "Michael Mulgrew" 
Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 7:37 PM
It's also kinda nice to have up
pictures of past sold specimens. You
put a lot of time and effort into photography and web
design, seems a
waste to delete things!

-YvW

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Michael Mulgrew 
wrote:
> List,
>
> I am curious why almost every meteorite dealer's
website displays
> specimens that have already sold right along side
specimens that are
> in stock and available for sale? I do not know of
any other market
> that does this; it is unique to meteorites in my
experiences. As a
> collector/prospective buyer I do not see the upside to
this practice.
> It does nothing for helping me find what I'm looking
for; in fact it
> is counter productive when I am shopping for a
specimen as it makes it
> more difficult to see what is actually available for
sale. It's
> synonymous with looking for clothes in your size and
every store has
> displays showing your size but not actually selling
any clothes that
> fit you. Maybe a separate page for "Sold Specimens"
would be more
> appropriate if there was a need that I am not aware of
to display
> pieces that have already been sold? I look forward
to becoming
> educated on this matter.
>
> Regards,
> Michael in so. Cal.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items

[Joe Kerchner]

One reason is that a lot of the dealers who run a use a website to sell the 
meteorites, do not run and/or edit the website themselves. and do not have it 
set so that once one is sold it is removed. Also "all other markets" do not 
sell one of a kind items like meteorites, when something is sold, there is 
usually more in stock so they do not need to edit their website each time they 
make a sale.. Just my 2 cents... I may be way off and it is that we are just 
too lazy.

Best Wishes,
Joe Kerchner
http://illinoismeteorites.com
http://illinoismeteorites.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl (The SkyRock Cafe) 
The SkyRock Cafe has been online longer than all current US based forums 
dedicated solely to meteorites) Come and Join our meteorite community at the 
SRC... You will enjoy it..


--- On Tue, 4/12/11, Yinan Wang  wrote:

> From: Yinan Wang 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items
> To: "Michael Mulgrew" 
> Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 7:37 PM
> It's also kinda nice to have up
> pictures of past sold specimens. You
> put a lot of time and effort into photography and web
> design, seems a
> waste to delete things!
> 
> -YvW
> 
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Michael Mulgrew 
> wrote:
> > List,
> >
> > I am curious why almost every meteorite dealer's
> website displays
> > specimens that have already sold right along side
> specimens that are
> > in stock and available for sale?  I do not know of
> any other market
> > that does this; it is unique to meteorites in my
> experiences.  As a
> > collector/prospective buyer I do not see the upside to
> this practice.
> > It does nothing for helping me find what I'm looking
> for; in fact it
> > is counter productive when I am shopping for a
> specimen as it makes it
> > more difficult to see what is actually available for
> sale.  It's
> > synonymous with looking for clothes in your size and
> every store has
> > displays showing your size but not actually selling
> any clothes that
> > fit you.  Maybe a separate page for "Sold Specimens"
> would be more
> > appropriate if there was a need that I am not aware of
> to display
> > pieces that have already been sold?  I look forward
> to becoming
> > educated on this matter.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Michael in so. Cal.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items

[Marcin Cimala]

Hi
This is not unique to meteorite. Other shops also have products unavailable 
or just sold out and waiting for new shipments.
And sometimes is nice to show late buyer what he missed and how looks other 
slices that was sold (most cases if specimen have low TKW). But indeed we 
are bussy counting our money and we have no time for boring website updates. 
;)


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On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Michael Mulgrew  
wrote:

List,

I am curious why almost every meteorite dealer's website displays
specimens that have already sold right along side specimens that are
in stock and available for sale? I do not know of any other market
that does this; it is unique to meteorites in my experiences. As a
collector/prospective buyer I do not see the upside to this practice.
It does nothing for helping me find what I'm looking for; in fact it
is counter productive when I am shopping for a specimen as it makes it
more difficult to see what is actually available for sale. It's
synonymous with looking for clothes in your size and every store has
displays showing your size but not actually selling any clothes that
fit you. Maybe a separate page for "Sold Specimens" would be more
appropriate if there was a need that I am not aware of to display
pieces that have already been sold? I look forward to becoming
educated on this matter.

Regards,
Michael in so. Cal.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items

[Impactika]

Hello,
 
Mike, it can also mean "I sold this one but I might have more that I have 
not had time to post yet, so email me and ask!"
And that is very often the case with me.
I probably have 150-200 pieces that I haven't found time to post yet, other 
problems keep on getting in the way. But I keep on trying!
So, just ask!
 
Anne M. Black
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_IMPACTIKA@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) 
President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
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In a message dated 4/12/2011 6:35:51 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
nightsk...@gmail.com writes:
Just to make us drool over the ones we missed! I imagine that they're
left up to build interest in the specimen. Kind of a 'better get it
now' or soon they'll all be sold approach.
Bob

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 6:22 PM,   wrote:
> Because we're to lazy to update our websites. Simple as that.
>
> Take a look at mine - I don't think its been updated in nearly 3 years!
>
> Ryan
>
> Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Mulgrew 
> Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:21:29
> To: 
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items
>
> List,
>
> I am curious why almost every meteorite dealer's website displays
> specimens that have already sold right along side specimens that are
> in stock and available for sale?  I do not know of any other market
> that does this; it is unique to meteorites in my experiences.  As a
> collector/prospective buyer I do not see the upside to this practice.
> It does nothing for helping me find what I'm looking for; in fact it
> is counter productive when I am shopping for a specimen as it makes it
> more difficult to see what is actually available for sale.  It's
> synonymous with looking for clothes in your size and every store has
> displays showing your size but not actually selling any clothes that
> fit you.  Maybe a separate page for "Sold Specimens" would be more
> appropriate if there was a need that I am not aware of to display
> pieces that have already been sold?  I look forward to becoming
> educated on this matter.
>
> Regards,
> Michael in so. Cal.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items

[Yinan Wang]

It's also kinda nice to have up pictures of past sold specimens. You
put a lot of time and effort into photography and web design, seems a
waste to delete things!

-YvW

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Michael Mulgrew  wrote:
> List,
>
> I am curious why almost every meteorite dealer's website displays
> specimens that have already sold right along side specimens that are
> in stock and available for sale?  I do not know of any other market
> that does this; it is unique to meteorites in my experiences.  As a
> collector/prospective buyer I do not see the upside to this practice.
> It does nothing for helping me find what I'm looking for; in fact it
> is counter productive when I am shopping for a specimen as it makes it
> more difficult to see what is actually available for sale.  It's
> synonymous with looking for clothes in your size and every store has
> displays showing your size but not actually selling any clothes that
> fit you.  Maybe a separate page for "Sold Specimens" would be more
> appropriate if there was a need that I am not aware of to display
> pieces that have already been sold?  I look forward to becoming
> educated on this matter.
>
> Regards,
> Michael in so. Cal.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items

[Bob King]

Just to make us drool over the ones we missed! I imagine that they're
left up to build interest in the specimen. Kind of a 'better get it
now' or soon they'll all be sold approach.
Bob

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 6:22 PM,   wrote:
> Because we're to lazy to update our websites. Simple as that.
>
> Take a look at mine - I don't think its been updated in nearly 3 years!
>
> Ryan
>
> Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Mulgrew 
> Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:21:29
> To: 
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items
>
> List,
>
> I am curious why almost every meteorite dealer's website displays
> specimens that have already sold right along side specimens that are
> in stock and available for sale?  I do not know of any other market
> that does this; it is unique to meteorites in my experiences.  As a
> collector/prospective buyer I do not see the upside to this practice.
> It does nothing for helping me find what I'm looking for; in fact it
> is counter productive when I am shopping for a specimen as it makes it
> more difficult to see what is actually available for sale.  It's
> synonymous with looking for clothes in your size and every store has
> displays showing your size but not actually selling any clothes that
> fit you.  Maybe a separate page for "Sold Specimens" would be more
> appropriate if there was a need that I am not aware of to display
> pieces that have already been sold?  I look forward to becoming
> educated on this matter.
>
> Regards,
> Michael in so. Cal.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items

[fallingfusion]

Because we're to lazy to update our websites. Simple as that.

Take a look at mine - I don't think its been updated in nearly 3 years!

Ryan

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-Original Message-
From: Michael Mulgrew 
Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:21:29 
To: 
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items

List,

I am curious why almost every meteorite dealer's website displays
specimens that have already sold right along side specimens that are
in stock and available for sale?  I do not know of any other market
that does this; it is unique to meteorites in my experiences.  As a
collector/prospective buyer I do not see the upside to this practice.
It does nothing for helping me find what I'm looking for; in fact it
is counter productive when I am shopping for a specimen as it makes it
more difficult to see what is actually available for sale.  It's
synonymous with looking for clothes in your size and every store has
displays showing your size but not actually selling any clothes that
fit you.  Maybe a separate page for "Sold Specimens" would be more
appropriate if there was a need that I am not aware of to display
pieces that have already been sold?  I look forward to becoming
educated on this matter.

Regards,
Michael in so. Cal.
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