[uf-discuss] microformat based web search
Hello, If I am right, one of the primary objectives of using microformats is to be able to retrieve the desired information from web pages around the world easily and reliably. In connection with this, I'd like to know which all search engines support the microformat based web search. In other words, how do I do a microformat based web search using a search engine like google/yahoo/technorati? e.g. how do I query for all events happening around the world on July 16, 2008? Thanks, Rob _ The other season of giving begins 6/24/08. Check out the i’m Talkathon. http://www.imtalkathon.com?source=TXT_EML_WLH_SeasonOfGiving ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] microformat based web search
rob smith wrote: Hello, If I am right, one of the primary objectives of using microformats is to be able to retrieve the desired information from web pages around the world easily and reliably. In connection with this, I'd like to know which all search engines support the microformat based web search. In other words, how do I do a microformat based web search using a search engine like google/yahoo/technorati? e.g. how do I query for all events happening around the world on July 16, 2008? Not a direct answer, but you might look into SearchMonkey from Yahoo (this decorates search results page with custom info from microformats and rdf); or at Google's Social Graph API, which is focussed more on identity reasoning about people identified in different ways, described in xfn and foaf. hope this helps, Dan -- http://danbri.org/ ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] microformat based web search
If you want to try it yourself on Yahoo! Search use the keyword searchmonkeyid:com.yahoo.uf.format in your searches, like: http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=searchmonkeyid%3Acom.yahoo.uf.hcard+%22Andr%C3%A9+Lu%C3%ADs%22ei=UTF-8y=Searchxargs=0pstart=1b=11 If you're curious, here's the number of results it returns for each format: 1. hCard — 1,150,000,000 pages (!) 2. hCalendar — 84,700,000 pages 3. hReview — 43,300,000 pages 4. hAtom — 304,000,000 pages 5. hCalendar — 261,000,000 pages Cheers, -- André Luís http://andr3.net On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Dan Brickley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: rob smith wrote: Hello, If I am right, one of the primary objectives of using microformats is to be able to retrieve the desired information from web pages around the world easily and reliably. In connection with this, I'd like to know which all search engines support the microformat based web search. In other words, how do I do a microformat based web search using a search engine like google/yahoo/technorati? e.g. how do I query for all events happening around the world on July 16, 2008? Not a direct answer, but you might look into SearchMonkey from Yahoo (this decorates search results page with custom info from microformats and rdf); or at Google's Social Graph API, which is focussed more on identity reasoning about people identified in different ways, described in xfn and foaf. hope this helps, Dan -- http://danbri.org/ ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] microformat based web search
On [Jun 20], at [ Jun 20] 7:17 , rob smith wrote: Hello, If I am right, one of the primary objectives of using microformats is to be able to retrieve the desired information from web pages around the world easily and reliably. In connection with this, I'd like to know which all search engines support the microformat based web search. In other words, how do I do a microformat based web search using a search engine like google/yahoo/technorati? e.g. how do I query for all events happening around the world on July 16, 2008? Hi Rob, I'm not aware of any way to do this in Google. Here's the search in Yahoo: http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=searchmonkeyid%3Acom.yahoo.uf.hcalendar+%222008-07-16%22 Technorati's microformats search is currently back in the oven to bake some more, but if it were working, I think that search would be something like this: http://kitchen.technorati.com/event/search/%222008-07-16%22 Eventful is also pulling in hCalendar events, which you can search by date like so: http://eventful.com/denver/events?t=2008071800-2008071823 All of that said, I'm not sure I'd call global search one of the primary objectives of microformats. For me it's much more important that I be able to reuse information on a page I've already found, which I can already do well enough with plain text searches. There's definitely a lot of potential to be able to do complex searches, e.g. events in the next month within 50 miles of Denver, CO with attendees whose job title includes web and who work at organizations with URLs including blog posts within the past month with microformat in the title. And that's theoretically possible with existing microformats. But that's also just a first step. The really interesting stuff, for me at least, happens after you find that data and begin to use it in new ways. Peace, Scott ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] microformat based web search
Ops, actually those figures were gathered for a post I wrote on June 10th!! Right now, 10 days later here the differences: 1. hCard — 1,220,000,000 (+70,000,000) 2. hCalendar — 89,200,000 (+4,500,000) 3. hReview — 46,600,000 (+3,300,000) 4. hAtom — 300,000,000 (-4,000,000) ops... 5. xfn — 259,000,000 pages (-5,000,000) ops... (last mail had a typo on #5,... t'was xfn) Definitely not the real numbers of all the deployments, but at least is a good way to feel the pulse, no? :) -- André Luís ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
[uf-discuss] object (in include-pattern) and user-agents
Based on this conversation: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20080617#l-444 object data=#foo class=include type=text/html/object will embed (making a separate request) all of the content from the current document, meanwhile pointing to the identifier. The issue here: http://microformats.org/wiki/include-pattern-feedback#Objects_and_Browser_Behavior is actually the proper way object is supposed to be handled by the user-agents. (Safari 3/Win, it turns out, is treating the object element properly.) I do wonder if object is semantically accurate for the use of include-pattern. Part of me is thinking that object was originally used partially because it didn't display the current document on non-Safari browsers. http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/objects.html#h-13.3 states: Most user agents have built-in mechanisms for rendering common data types such as text, GIF images, colors, fonts, and a handful of graphic elements. To render data types they don't support natively, user agents generally run external applications. The OBJECT element allows authors to control whether data should be rendered externally or by some program, specified by the author, that renders the data within the user agent. The key being to render data types the user-agents don't support natively can be handled with object by running an external application. In the case of the include-pattern, we are merely trying to include or refer to some text/html. The latter is done sufficiently with a. Got thoughts? Sarven Capadisli http://www.csarven.ca ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
[uf-discuss] hCard markup question w.r.t. organizations
Hi, What is the recommendation for marking up an organization (or department / group) within an organization using the hCard spec? For example, I want to create an hCard for the Molecular Biology Lab at the University of Cambridge. I presume that something like this would not work: fn, organization-unit: Molecular Biology Lab organization-name: University of Cambridge Any help would be appreciated! Thanks, Amelia. -- Amelia Ireland GO Editorial Office http://www.ebi.ac.uk || http://www.berkeleybop.org Carbon neutral driving: http://www.targetneutral.com/TONIC/index.jsp ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
[uf-discuss] hCard markup question w.r.t. organizations
Basic idea is: div class=vcard div class=org div class=organization-unit fnMolecular Biology Lab/div div class=organization-nameUniversity of Cambridge/div /div /div If this is also part of the lab's postal address, you can combine it nicely with the adr: div class=vcard div class=adr label div class=org div class=organization-unit extended-address fn Molecular Biology Lab /div div class=organization-name extended-address University of Cambridge /div /div div class=street-address123 Some Street/div !-- etc -- /div /div The drafts for vCard 4.0 (hCard is based on vCard 3.0) include a property called KIND to indicate which type of thing the card provides contact information for. e.g. individual, org, group, etc. Cognition http://buzzword.org.uk/cognition/ will automatically infer the kind of hCard by noticing that the fn and organization- unit properties are identical, so the kind must be group. -- Toby A Inkster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tobyinkster.co.uk ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
[uf-discuss] Object param pattern rejection
On the abbr-design-pattern page, markup rejections section [1] is the following text: OBJECT with param value. (requires significant extra markup and CSS in order to *behave* correctly) Can anyone provide more detail about this parenthetical rejection explanation? I vaguely recall discussion about this, something specific to Safari I think, but couldn't find it in the archive. I've done some quick testing and objects seem to render cleanly as block elements, as do params. The latter surprised me, as I didn't expect an empty param to render at all. Was that the problem with this proposal or was it something else? I'm wondering if object and param could be feasible in any context for semantic markup, or if there's just a specific subset of contexts in which we've seen a problem. [1] http://microformats.org/wiki/abbr-design-pattern-alternatives#Markup_Rejections Peace, Scott ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] object (in include-pattern) and user-agents
2008/6/21 Sarven Capadisli [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Got thoughts? As an aside, I'm not sure if we can do this label for=foo class=include.../label -- Zhang, Zhen http://www.lunaticsun.com ( in Chinese only ) ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
