Re: [uf-discuss] Q
Paul, what do think? I personally think that the qa is a good idea, I belive that you would be easily able to seperate questions and answers out and you will be able to start infering meaning from the text inside the qa section, however like with all microformats it is useless unless people use it (and if it is only you and me then there is little point in having a microformat because only ourselves will be publishing and consuming our own data). I don't belive at the moment that people will be bothered with microformats unless the tools are there that create them without people knowing about them, but obviously when you get to that level of integration I don't think microformats will be needed at all. However on a lighter note, as far as I am aware the dl, dt suffice (although it looks like dt is not ment for questions) I don't think classes are needed to distinguish questions and answers, and if this can start to get used by people I have lots of ideas for it. Paul On 14/12/06, Ciaran McNulty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/14/06, Taylor Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This might break when there are multiple answers, not sure if one to many dt 2 dd is ok, but a surrounding di would help. One-to-many DT/DD is allowed, as are many-to-many. dl dtA term/dt dtAnother term/dt ddA definition/dd ddAnother definition/dd /dl It's a DT that follows a DD that 'starts' a new block, if that makes sense? -Ciaran McNulty ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Q
I think you guys are on the right track. I'd like to encourage you to do some market research. Start collecting examples and see what you can distill. Here are some questions I've got: * Are lots of people publishing questions and answers? - My bias is yes! * How are they doing it? - My bias favors the dl idiom, but it'd be interesting to find out how widely it's used. You might ask Ian Hixie what research he's uncovered wrt to class=question and its ilk. There are also tools my employer offers that would help with this research, but I don't want to mention it inapropriately, and I'm working on ways to benefit open source communities with this tool. - Browse around and see if we can collect a handful of idioms used for this. I suspect that there are a few classes of sites publishing QnA (which we should verify through research): * Commercial sites offering QA to inform the public of their products * Project/personal sites offering QA to help with encountered problems * Informative sites whose focus is QA I bet we can find common idioms and patterns for publishing this kind of material. Finally, there are a few things keeping me from starting a wiki page: 1.) What is the scope of this format? Is it strictly questions and answers? Is there a slightly more general concept that would yield much more benefit without a corresponding increase in complexity? 2.) What are the use cases for this format? 3.) Are there any other formats that cover the would-be use cases/problem space? Finally, on a more personal note: I'd like to encourage the community to help with this research. There have been some negative things going on, and this is a good opportunity to reset our expectations: * Be positive * Do research * Build consensus * Constructive collaboration. There will be more on this in a separate thread. -Ben On 12/15/06, Paul Kinlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul, what do think? I personally think that the qa is a good idea, I belive that you would be easily able to seperate questions and answers out and you will be able to start infering meaning from the text inside the qa section, however like with all microformats it is useless unless people use it (and if it is only you and me then there is little point in having a microformat because only ourselves will be publishing and consuming our own data). I don't belive at the moment that people will be bothered with microformats unless the tools are there that create them without people knowing about them, but obviously when you get to that level of integration I don't think microformats will be needed at all. However on a lighter note, as far as I am aware the dl, dt suffice (although it looks like dt is not ment for questions) I don't think classes are needed to distinguish questions and answers, and if this can start to get used by people I have lots of ideas for it. Paul On 14/12/06, Ciaran McNulty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/14/06, Taylor Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This might break when there are multiple answers, not sure if one to many dt 2 dd is ok, but a surrounding di would help. One-to-many DT/DD is allowed, as are many-to-many. dl dtA term/dt dtAnother term/dt ddA definition/dd ddAnother definition/dd /dl It's a DT that follows a DD that 'starts' a new block, if that makes sense? -Ciaran McNulty ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Q
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Benjamin West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I suspect that there are a few classes of sites publishing QnA (which we should verify through research): * Commercial sites offering QA to inform the public of their products * Project/personal sites offering QA to help with encountered problems * Informative sites whose focus is QA Informative (mainly public-sector) sites, whose focus is not on QA, but which use them widely. e.g.: http://www.met.police.uk/dataprotection/faq.htm -- Andy Mabbett * Say NO! to compulsory ID Cards: http://www.no2id.net/ * Free Our Data: http://www.freeourdata.org.uk * Are you using Microformats, yet: http://microformats.org/ ? ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Q
Hi, I have mentioned a QA format in the past. I was supposed to do some research about it, however work got in the way :( Paul On 14/12/06, Taylor Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like Korby I'm interested in a way to semantically identify questions and answers. Frances' suggestion of using dl/di/dt/dd would work assuming the dl indicates that it contains questions. One example usage would be to list unanswered questions: dl class=qna dtWhere.../dt dtWho.../dt /dl I can also see value in knowing that free text was matched in an answer. A definition list alone wouldn't add enough semantic info for either case. On 11/18/06, Korby Parnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi-- I can't seem to find any information about question and answer microformats on microformats.org. Insofar as I'm new to this list, has there been any backchannel discussion about distributed QA systems and a microformat or microformats to support them? Hi Korby, I've not come across a QA specific format being mentioned before - so this is probably something new :) You could start gathering a few examples of QA systems out there (to understand what's already being done) and then take a look at how one might go about marking these with existing formats (if at all - can't simple Question/Answers be marked with definition lists alone?). F Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
[uf-discuss] Q: visualisation of XFN
Hello everybody, has someone a viewable solution in CSS for displaying the attributes of XFN? thanks, Thomas ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Q: visualisation of XFN
On Sep 19, 2006, at 1:52 AM, Thomas Hofmann wrote:
has someone a viewable solution in CSS for displaying the
attributes of XFN?
Thomas,
You can use advanced CSS selectors along with generated content to do
a pretty decent job:
a[rel]:after {
content: [ attr(rel) ];
}
This will add, for example, [friend] to all the links with
rel=friend. To avoid non-XFN links with the rel attribute, it might
be best to limit the scope to, say, a container with class=xfn:
.xfn a[rel]:after {
content: [ attr(rel) ];
}
Another solution would be to select for the XFN values explicitly,
although this would get a bit tedious:
a[rel~=friend]:after,
a[rel~=contact]:after,
...
a[rel~=acquaintance]:after {
content: [ attr(rel) ];
}
Unfortunately, this only works in the browsers that support attribute
selectors, :after pseudo-selectors, and generated content (i.e. not IE).
- Matthew
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Re: [uf-discuss] Q: visualisation of XFN
Hello both, thanks so far. The attribute selectors were also my idea to a possibly solution. The blog posting gave me an advanced hint. The problem I was thinking about was also the combination of more than one value. As described in the post an override could be a solution. But then it is fixed, that a colleague is also every time a friend. (Look the latest secret files tunguska ;-) ) So I am glad to see also a solution for combining more than one values. But it might become a little more work to set out all possible combinations. I first tought about the usage of pre for that and if it can display more than one pics. I will study about this. greetings, Thomas ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
[uf-discuss] Q: possible error in wiki
Hello everybody, in the wiki under http://microformats.org/wiki/reltag I found: a href=http://technorati.com/tag/tech; rel=tagfish/a In my understanding and related to the above shown tag: a href=http://technorati.com/tag/tech; rel=tagtech/a I could think, that the link in the first tag should rather be: http://technorati.com/tag/fish Could this be really true? regards, Thomas ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Q: possible error in wiki
No, the example; a href=http://technorati.com/tag/tech; rel=tagfish/a Is explaining how although the link may be wrapped around the word fish, the tag will still related tech. It's sort of an example of incorrect use, but you may choose to have a tag that was called technology but linked to tech. It's just saying that the link is what's important, not the word it's linked from. So yes, you're right. If you had a tag of fish then you would want the link to be technorati.com/tag/fish, but not in this example. :) -- Frances Berriman http://www.fberriman.com On 7/20/06, Thomas Hofmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everybody, in the wiki under http://microformats.org/wiki/reltag I found: a href=http://technorati.com/tag/tech; rel=tagfish/a In my understanding and related to the above shown tag: a href=http://technorati.com/tag/tech; rel=tagtech/a I could think, that the link in the first tag should rather be: http://technorati.com/tag/fish Could this be really true? regards, Thomas ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Q: possible error in wiki
Hello, okay, thanks, now I've got it. But this is just the technical part. What sense could it be to link to tech with the word fish? Does this not confuse the reader of the text? And does the technical rule not restrict to strong? There *has* to be an URL with the tag at the end. Is this possible in every case? regards, Thomas On 7/20/06, Ben O'Neill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, The text of the link doesn't actually matter, the tag is taken from the URL. So even though the text of the link is fish the tag is still tech. Ben O'Neill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Hofmann Sent: 20 July 2006 09:31 .. in the wiki under http://microformats.org/wiki/reltag I found: a href=http://technorati.com/tag/tech; rel=tagfish/a .. I could think, that the link in the first tag should rather be: http://technorati.com/tag/fish ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
