Re: Can OpenBSD run in 24 MB of RAM?
It's running fine in console or X (just a longer start).Ofcourse,that you can't use Firefox or similiar SW :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 5:00 AM To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Can OpenBSD run in 24 MB of RAM? I've searched the FAQ and the Web for any guidance on what the minimum RAM is for OpenBSD, with and without X. I just acquired a Compaq Armada 1125 laptop that maxes out at 24 MB of RAM, and I'm wondering whether or not it's feasible to run OpenBSD on it.
Re: Disappointment: New browser - *sigh*
Eh? What about New browser are you talking? ;-) I don't know,that lynx(1) which is in base (! ;-)) has option about:plugins . All others are not in base,just option and every user of OpenBSD know,that he/she must be careful about installing SW,which is not in base. http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html especially this part is maybe too hard for someone to understand : The packages and ports collection does NOT go through the same thorough security audit that is performed on the OpenBSD base system. Although we strive to keep the quality of the packages collection high, we just do not have enough human resources to ensure the same level of robustness and security. Of course security updates for various applications are committed to the ports tree as soon as possible, and corresponding package security updates are made available as snapshots for -current. But maybe not every user as I read your mail. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bofh Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 2:40 AM To: OpenBSD general usage list Subject: OT: Disappointment: New browser - *sigh* So, by now everyone should have heard about the new browser. I just test drove it a little, and it works great on the sites I go to normally. So, why am I disappointed? For a group of people, who took the time to draw a bunch of cartoons to explain that they view security as something very very important, to fumble so badly, is really... sad. No, I'm not talking about the eula, or the old webkit that has a security problem. I'm talking about: about:plugins ActiveX Plug-in File name: activex-shimActiveX Plug-in provides a shim to support ActiveX controls*sigh* Good intentions and all that, I guess. -- http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity. -- Sandhurst officer cadet evaluation. Securing an environment of Windows platforms from abuse - external or internal - is akin to trying to install sprinklers in a fireworks factory where smoking on the job is permitted. -- Gene Spafford learn french: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1G-3laJJP0feature=related
Re: Pre-Order 4.4
Hi, How can I test it ? In the snapshots/i386 I have all I need for the installation, but I don't find the sys.tar.gz (needed to recompile the kernel with the raid features). As next I have actuelly 2 possibilities * go in production with the 4.3 version, without raid (may be with a rsync scheduled) * go in production with the 4.4 Beta, and doing the beta tester: how can I switch by the come out of the 4.4 to the official release ? Will I get some patches ? Regards -Message d'origine- De : K WESTERBACK [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyi : mercredi 3 septembre 2008 19:05 @ : Ted Unangst; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc : misc@openbsd.org Objet : Re: Pre-Order 4.4 Just to be clear - this is/should be fixed in 4.4. Ken - Original Message From: Ted Unangst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: misc@openbsd.org Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2008 11:31:15 AM Subject: Re: Pre-Order 4.4 On 9/3/08, Christophe Rioux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know if the raid logic has being corrected in this new release. By corrected, I means following answer: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=120855938821758w=2 This is currently broken (deliberately) as changes are made to the logic concerning mounting the root disk. There are some more changes that need to be made before a fix to raidframe can be committed. http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-cvsm=121150396015435w=2
IPsec flow portrange problem
Hi,
I am trying to setup IPsec and also exclude some parts from getting
processed by IPsec.
In IPSEC.CONF(5) the description says
[...]
from src [port sport] to dst [port dport]
[...]
The optional port modifiers restrict the flows to the specified ports
[...]
It is possible to supply multiple src and dst adresses if inside {}.
However, I also would like to add a portrange instead of having to
manually write one entry for every flow, but it seems that it is only
possible to add one single port.
Is that right? Did someone manage to add a portrange?
I would need something like:
flow esp proto udp from X.X.X.X to Y.Y.Y.Y port 5000:5050 type bypass
Thanks in advance,
Michael
awk doesn't recognize all of EREs
Our awk do not recognize range regex operator ({n,m} syntax). But man
page says:
awk supports extended regular expressions (EREs). See re_format(7) for
more information on regular expressions.
This behavior is same as in FreeBSD. gawk recognize range operator in
POSIX mode (--posix).
As far as I understand, either our awk should recognize range operator
(better) or this non-POSIX behavior should be mentioned in awk(1).
Sample diff for man page provided; I didn't dig deeply in code to fix it
enough yet.
--
Best wishes,
Vadim Zhukov
--- awk.1.orig Fri Jul 25 22:34:22 2008
+++ awk.1 Thu Sep 4 12:24:29 2008
@@ -316,7 +316,9 @@
relational expressions.
.Nm
supports extended regular expressions
-.Pq EREs .
+.Pq EREs
+except range operator
+.Dq { n , m } .
See
.Xr re_format 7
for more information on regular expressions.
@@ -764,7 +766,7 @@
.Nm
utility is compliant with the
.St -p1003.1-2004
-specification.
+specification, except support of regular expression range operator.
.Pp
The flags
.Op Fl \dV
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Re: Disappointment: New browser - *sigh*
Ok.I promise,that I will be more quiet.I'm known,that sometimes i talk too much :-D (it started when I was small). I know,that Google has new browser,but where is word Google or Chrome in his email,that it's about this browser? OT = off topic -Original Message- From: Mark Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 10:54 AM To: misc@openbsd.org Cc: Tomas Bodzar Subject: Re: Disappointment: New browser - *sigh* Tomas Bodzar wrote: Eh? What about New browser are you talking? ;-) I don't know,that lynx(1) which is in base (! ;-)) has option about:plugins . All others are not in base,just option and every user of OpenBSD know,that he/she must be careful about installing SW,which is not in base. http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html especially this part is maybe too hard for someone to understand : The packages and ports collection does NOT go through the same thorough security audit that is performed on the OpenBSD base system. Although we strive to keep the quality of the packages collection high, we just do not have enough human resources to ensure the same level of robustness and security. Of course security updates for various applications are committed to the ports tree as soon as possible, and corresponding package security updates are made available as snapshots for -current. But maybe not every user as I read your mail. Wtf is wrong with you ? The more I read your mails on this list the more you look like a lost soul to me. As you're a noob to OpenBSD you might consider keeping advices to yourself for a little while. He's talking about G**gle Chr*me which is not in ports. BTW do you know what OT means ? If you don't understand a discussion then don't spam. VADE RETRO TOMAS
Re: Disappointment: New browser - *sigh*
Tomas Bodzar wrote: Eh? What about New browser are you talking? ;-) I don't know,that lynx(1) which is in base (! ;-)) has option about:plugins . All others are not in base,just option and every user of OpenBSD know,that he/she must be careful about installing SW,which is not in base. http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html especially this part is maybe too hard for someone to understand : The packages and ports collection does NOT go through the same thorough security audit that is performed on the OpenBSD base system. Although we strive to keep the quality of the packages collection high, we just do not have enough human resources to ensure the same level of robustness and security. Of course security updates for various applications are committed to the ports tree as soon as possible, and corresponding package security updates are made available as snapshots for -current. But maybe not every user as I read your mail. Wtf is wrong with you ? The more I read your mails on this list the more you look like a lost soul to me. As you're a noob to OpenBSD you might consider keeping advices to yourself for a little while. He's talking about G**gle Chr*me which is not in ports. BTW do you know what OT means ? If you don't understand a discussion then don't spam. VADE RETRO TOMAS
acx on sun
Hi misc@, this is my first post so please bare with me. I'm trying to get a wg311v2 to work in a Sun Ultra 60 workstation under -current (snapshot from aug. 27th). Firmware is installed. Everything seems ok however although it seems to connect to the AP, dhclient won't get an IP address from it. If I set the address manually, I can ping myself but noone else and noone can ping me. The following message is displayed in both cases and when I issue ifconfig -M acx0 (returns none): acx0: TX failed -- DMA error My understanding of the message is that the card is not able to send packets because it can't access memory, now I don't have the background to understand why. Thanks for your help Huy Here's my /etc/hostname.acx0: up chan 11 nwid myap nwkey 0x1deadbeef1 mode 11g ifconfig acx0 acx0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500 lladdr 00:0f:b5:47:ef:e3 groups: wlan media: IEEE802.11 autoselect (autoselect ibss) status: active ieee80211: nwid myap chan 11 bssid 02:0f:b5:47:ef:e3 nwkey 0x1deadbeef1 inet6 fe80::20f:b5ff:fe47:efe3%acx0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 dmesg console is /[EMAIL PROTECTED],4000/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED],40:a Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. Copyright (c) 1995-2008 OpenBSD. All rights reserved. http://www.OpenBSD.org OpenBSD 4.4-current (GENERIC.MP) #410: Wed Aug 27 16:07:02 MDT 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/sparc64/compile/GENERIC.MP real mem = 536870912 (512MB) avail mem = 507854848 (484MB) mainbus0 at root: Sun Ultra 60 UPA/PCI (2 X UltraSPARC-II 450MHz) cpu0 at mainbus0: SUNW,UltraSPARC-II (rev 1.0) @ 450.025 MHz cpu0: physical 16K instruction (32 b/l), 16K data (32 b/l), 4096K external (64 b/l) cpu1 at mainbus0: SUNW,UltraSPARC-II (rev 1.0) @ 450.025 MHz cpu1: physical 16K instruction (32 b/l), 16K data (32 b/l), 4096K external (64 b/l) psycho0 at mainbus0 addr 0xfffb4000: SUNW,psycho, impl 0, version 4, ign 7c0 psycho0: bus range 0-0, PCI bus 0 psycho0: dvma map fe00-, , STC0 enabled pci0 at psycho0 ebus0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 Sun PCIO EBus2 rev 0x01 auxio0 at ebus0 addr 726000-726003, 728000-728003, 72a000-72a003, 72c000-72c003, 72f000-72f003 power0 at ebus0 addr 724000-724003 SUNW,pll at ebus0 addr 504000-504002 not configured uperf0 at ebus0 addr 50-57: model SUNW,sc-qp (0/1) ports 9 sab0 at ebus0 addr 40-40007f ivec 0x2b: rev 3.2 sabtty0 at sab0 port 0: console sabtty1 at sab0 port 1 comkbd0 at ebus0 addr 3083f8-3083ff ivec 0x29: no keyboard com0 at ebus0 addr 3062f8-3062ff ivec 0x2a: mouse: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo lpt0 at ebus0 addr 3043bc-3043cb, 300398-300399, 70-7f ivec 0x22: polled fdthree at ebus0 addr 3023f0-3023f7, 706000-70600f, 72-720003 ivec 0x27 not configured clock1 at ebus0 addr 0-1fff: mk48t59 flashprom at ebus0 addr 0-f not configured audioce0 at ebus0 addr 20-2000ff, 702000-70200f, 704000-70400f, 722000-722003 ivec 0x23 ivec 0x24: nvaddrs 0 audio0 at audioce0 Sun PCIO EBus2 rev 0x01 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 not configured hme0 at pci0 dev 1 function 1 Sun HME rev 0x01: ivec 0x7e1, address 08:00:20:8a:9a:61 luphy0 at hme0 phy 1: LU6612 10/100 PHY, rev. 1 siop0 at pci0 dev 3 function 0 Symbios Logic 53c875 rev 0x14: ivec 0x7e0, using 4K of on-board RAM scsibus0 at siop0: 16 targets, initiator 7 sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: SEAGATE, ST336605LSUN36G, 0638 SCSI3 0/direct fixed sd0: 34732MB, 512 bytes/sec, 71132959 sec total sd1 at scsibus0 targ 1 lun 0: SEAGATE, ST336605LSUN36G, 0238 SCSI3 0/direct fixed sd1: 34732MB, 512 bytes/sec, 71132959 sec total cd0 at scsibus0 targ 6 lun 0: TOSHIBA, DVD-ROM SD-M1401, 1009 SCSI2 5/cdrom removable siop1 at pci0 dev 3 function 1 Symbios Logic 53c875 rev 0x14: ivec 0x7e6, using 4K of on-board RAM scsibus1 at siop1: 16 targets, initiator 7 hme1 at pci0 dev 2 function 1 Sun HME rev 0x01: ivec 0x7d1, address 00:03:ba:03:56:41 luphy1 at hme1 phy 1: LU6612 10/100 PHY, rev. 1 psycho1 at mainbus0 addr 0xfffc6000: SUNW,psycho, impl 0, version 4, ign 7c0 psycho1: bus range 128-128, PCI bus 128 psycho1: dvma map fe00-, iotdb a0bc8000-a0bd, STC0 enabled, STC1 enabled pci1 at psycho1 acx0 at pci1 dev 1 function 0 TI ACX111 rev 0x00: ivec 0x7c0 acx0: ACX111, radio Radia (0x16), EEPROM ver 5, address 00:0f:b5:47:ef:e3 counter-timer at mainbus0 addr 0xfff9fc00 not configured creator0 at mainbus0 addr 0xfeb8: Creator3D, model SUNW,501-4788, dac 10 wsdisplay0 at creator0 wsdisplay0: screen 0 added (std, sun emulation) softraid0 at root siop0: target 0 now using tagged 16 bit 20.0 MHz 16 REQ/ACK offset xfers siop0: target 1 now using tagged 16 bit 20.0 MHz 16 REQ/ACK offset xfers bootpath: /[EMAIL PROTECTED],4000/[EMAIL PROTECTED],0/[EMAIL PROTECTED],0 root on sd0a swap on sd0b dump on sd0b Thanks for any hint Huy
Re: Disappointment: New browser - *sigh*
Maybe this part of email leads to my reaction : For a group of people, who took the time to draw a bunch of cartoons to explain that they view security as something very very important, to fumble so badly, is really... sad. OpenBSD is drawing bunch of cartoons too,not mainly about security,but security is number one for OpenBSD.If this part is about Google,than I made mistake and I'm sorry for my reaction.Everyone can make mistake.Now I must learn from it. -Original Message- From: Mark Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 10:54 AM To: misc@openbsd.org Cc: Tomas Bodzar Subject: Re: Disappointment: New browser - *sigh* Tomas Bodzar wrote: Eh? What about New browser are you talking? ;-) I don't know,that lynx(1) which is in base (! ;-)) has option about:plugins . All others are not in base,just option and every user of OpenBSD know,that he/she must be careful about installing SW,which is not in base. http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html especially this part is maybe too hard for someone to understand : The packages and ports collection does NOT go through the same thorough security audit that is performed on the OpenBSD base system. Although we strive to keep the quality of the packages collection high, we just do not have enough human resources to ensure the same level of robustness and security. Of course security updates for various applications are committed to the ports tree as soon as possible, and corresponding package security updates are made available as snapshots for -current. But maybe not every user as I read your mail. Wtf is wrong with you ? The more I read your mails on this list the more you look like a lost soul to me. As you're a noob to OpenBSD you might consider keeping advices to yourself for a little while. He's talking about G**gle Chr*me which is not in ports. BTW do you know what OT means ? If you don't understand a discussion then don't spam. VADE RETRO TOMAS
Re: Pre-Order 4.4
On 2008-09-04, Christophe Rioux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can I test it ? In the snapshots/i386 I have all I need for the installation, too late, this is now past 4.4.
Re: Info about DRI support and setup
On 2008-09-04, Tomas Bodzar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Super,but why isn't this important info on some known place? When the releveant developers think it's ready to put in a public place, they'll put it there. I didn't want to undermine that so I sent my message to you off-list. Please check the To/CC headers of messages and don't redirect an off-list message back to the list. Thanks.
Re: Spamd - whitelisting round robin mail servers?
On 2008-09-04, Jeff Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, that covers Google, all right. And then somebody called Websitewelcome.com gives me major grief. Is the only way to do this to wait for someone to complain that mail isn't going through? No, you can also tell from spamdb output.
Re: Info about DRI support and setup
:-/ Upss.Sorry Thanks for help. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart Henderson Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 11:35 AM To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Info about DRI support and setup On 2008-09-04, Tomas Bodzar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Super,but why isn't this important info on some known place? When the releveant developers think it's ready to put in a public place, they'll put it there. I didn't want to undermine that so I sent my message to you off-list. Please check the To/CC headers of messages and don't redirect an off-list message back to the list. Thanks.
Re: Can OpenBSD run in 24 MB of RAM?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've searched the FAQ and the Web for any guidance on what the minimum RAM is for OpenBSD, with and without X. I just acquired a Compaq Armada 1125 laptop that maxes out at 24 MB of RAM, and I'm wondering whether or not it's feasible to run OpenBSD on it. From ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/4.3/i386/INSTALL.i386: The minimal configuration to install the system is 24MB or 32MB of RAM and perhaps 200MB of disk space. To install the entire system requires much more disk space, and to run X or compile the system, more RAM is recommended. So, OpenBSD will run. It's going to be slow, it's only a Pentium 100. I ran OpenBSD on a P133 for a while, I had to run the older version of X because the video wasn't supported by the new version, not sure if that's still the case. Patience will be important.
Re: Can OpenBSD run in 24 MB of RAM?
Steve Shockley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, OpenBSD will run. It's going to be slow, it's only a Pentium 100. I ran OpenBSD on a P133 for a while, I had to run the older version of X because the video wasn't supported by the new version, not sure if that's still the case. The archives will reveal that around 2.5-2.7 times (cant't remember exactly), some of us have installed and (briefly) run OpenBSD on i386/33 with all of 8MB of RAM, and I think even the trick for making the installer complete under these conditions made it into the FAQ at least for a while. Not recommended, but apparently doable, FSVO. Patience will be important. Oh yes, loads of it. By the time you've actually gotten a system with that spec to do something marginally useful, something much more recent is bound to have fallen into your lap for free. -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.bsdly.net/ http://www.nuug.no/ Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds.
2200 MHz on a 2.00GHz
Markus Bergkvist wrote: 2.00 GHz cpu with unknown speedstep is reported to have 2200 MHz as highest speed. Feature or defect? :-) Does this deserve a PR posting or is it ongoing work? $ apm -L sysctl hw.cpuspeed hw.cpuspeed=1200 $ apm -H sysctl hw.cpuspeed hw.cpuspeed=2200 Have you tried this diff? http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-techm=121493180205892w=2 I believe gwk@ (and maybe marco@ too) still needs feedback on this. Alexey
Re: IPsec flow portrange problem
AFAIK it's not supported in IKE, so it's not supported in ipsec.conf
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 10:37:25AM +0200, Michael wrote:
Hi,
I am trying to setup IPsec and also exclude some parts from getting
processed by IPsec.
In IPSEC.CONF(5) the description says
[...]
from src [port sport] to dst [port dport]
[...]
The optional port modifiers restrict the flows to the specified ports
[...]
It is possible to supply multiple src and dst adresses if inside {}.
However, I also would like to add a portrange instead of having to
manually write one entry for every flow, but it seems that it is only
possible to add one single port.
Is that right? Did someone manage to add a portrange?
I would need something like:
flow esp proto udp from X.X.X.X to Y.Y.Y.Y port 5000:5050 type bypass
Thanks in advance,
Michael
Re: IPsec flow portrange problem
Hi,
thanks for your answer.
Markus Friedl schrieb:
AFAIK it's not supported in IKE, so it's not supported in ipsec.conf
Something like port { 1000 1001 ... } would be nice too, but also
doesn't seem to work. It works for from/to { IP1 IP2 ... } though. At
least I did not manage to set it up like that with port.
If that currently also isn't possible, it would be a nice to have
feature for a cleaner ipsec.conf file. Automatic expansion of port
ranges would be even better... :-)
Michael
Re: 2200 MHz on a 2.00GHz
That diff made speedstep work on my Dell D600, but the acpicpu_setpdc code was reverted http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-cvsm=121801217417287w=2 and the patch does not apply any longer, thus the speedstep stopped working on the D600. gwk was notified of the downgrade. Last time I looked at it was middle of august, don't know if there has been any changes since. Perhaps it is time to have another look at it. /Markus Alexey Suslikov wrote: Markus Bergkvist wrote: 2.00 GHz cpu with unknown speedstep is reported to have 2200 MHz as highest speed. Feature or defect? :-) Does this deserve a PR posting or is it ongoing work? $ apm -L sysctl hw.cpuspeed hw.cpuspeed=1200 $ apm -H sysctl hw.cpuspeed hw.cpuspeed=2200 Have you tried this diff? http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-techm=121493180205892w=2 I believe gwk@ (and maybe marco@ too) still needs feedback on this. Alexey
Shuttle K-4500-N Celeron
I was considering buying one of these (cheap, small and quiet) to be used as an OpenBSD firewall. It has one free slot for an additional NIC. Has anyone ran OpenBSD on one of these before? I can't try before buying. Here are the hardware details: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883104035 Thanks, Brad -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Shuttle-K-4500-N-Celeron-tp19309013p19309013.html Sent from the openbsd user - misc mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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Re: Info about DRI support and setup
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 12:46 AM, Tomas Bodzar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Super,but why isn't this important info on some known place? Because it's not important. If you aren't following cvs, then there's little reason to document fatures that only exist in cvs. If I use Google,than there is nothing on first 5 pages,similiar for OpenBSD webpage or Undeadly. I thought,that this is big change in OpenBSD dev and can be pointed somewhere,maybe in FAQ 11 The FAQ is for the released version of OpenBSD and covers supported features. Unsupported features in unreleased versions are not documented.
Re: Can OpenBSD run in 24 MB of RAM?
Peter N. M. Hansteen escreveu: Steve Shockley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, OpenBSD will run. It's going to be slow, it's only a Pentium 100. I ran OpenBSD on a P133 for a while, I had to run the older version of X because the video wasn't supported by the new version, not sure if that's still the case. The archives will reveal that around 2.5-2.7 times (cant't remember exactly), some of us have installed and (briefly) run OpenBSD on i386/33 with all of 8MB of RAM, and I think even the trick for making the installer complete under these conditions made it into the FAQ at least for a while. Not recommended, but apparently doable, FSVO. Patience will be important. Oh yes, loads of it. By the time you've actually gotten a system with that spec to do something marginally useful, something much more recent is bound to have fallen into your lap for free. Never ran with 24MB, but note mentioned that I've run an openbsd firewall on a pentium 133, with 32MB of ram. It had everything a firewall for home uses need, DNS, DHCP and the firewall rules. I've upgraded to 64MB so i could run a squid proxy, apache server and openvpn server. Ran it for more than a year. OpenBSD is a very small footprint operational system. I believe it will run in 24MB with no problems. My regards, -- Giancarlo Razzolini http://lock.razzolini.adm.br Linux User 172199 Red Hat Certified Engineer no:804006389722501 Verify:https://www.redhat.com/certification/rhce/current/ Moleque Sem Conteudo Numero #002 OpenBSD Stable Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron 4386 2A6F FFD4 4D5F 5842 6EA0 7ABE BBAB 9C0E 6B85
Re: Vlan Tag on Vlan Tag (l2tunneling)
On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 02:34:12 +0700, Reyk Floeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 04:05:50PM +0200, Claudio Jeker wrote: no point in just doing that. a button to change the ether type would make sense. this is not trivial because it would require a change in the Rx path where it is currently matching the ethertype in ether_input() before calling vlan_input(). do you want to call vlan_input() for every other packet or do a configured type lookup all the time? and what if the user specifies an ethernet type that is conflicting with something else? i think it should really only be 0x8100 or 0x88a8. If we stack vlan interfaces I don't see a real need for such a button. This could be figured out either at configuration time or on runtime. E.g. just check if the ethertype is 0x8100 and add the next vlan tag as 0x88a8. This would also allow to use a bridge for qinq setups. Because of this I think doing it on runtime is the best. here is another approach defining QinQ-compliant interfaces as a new cloner type; so you can stack 0x88a8 devices as you wish and it doesn't need a new button in ifconfig. it also uses a dedicated vlan tag hash for Service VLANs to avoid tag/Id conflicts. # ifconfig em0 up # ifconfig svlan100 vlandev em0 # ifconfig vlan200 vlandev svlan100 192.168.2.100 reyk Index: share/man/man4/vlan.4 === RCS file: /cvs/src/share/man/man4/vlan.4,v retrieving revision 1.31 diff -u -p -r1.31 vlan.4 --- share/man/man4/vlan.4 26 Jun 2008 05:42:07 - 1.31 +++ share/man/man4/vlan.4 21 Aug 2008 19:18:42 - @@ -31,8 +31,9 @@ .Dt VLAN 4 .Os .Sh NAME -.Nm vlan -.Nd IEEE 802.1Q encapsulation/decapsulation pseudo-device +.Nm vlan , +.Nm svlan +.Nd IEEE 802.1Q/1AD encapsulation/decapsulation pseudo-devices .Sh SYNOPSIS .Cd pseudo-device vlan .Sh DESCRIPTION @@ -40,6 +41,10 @@ The .Nm Ethernet interface allows construction of virtual LANs when used in conjunction with IEEE 802.1Q-compliant Ethernet devices. +The +.Ic svlan +Ethernet interface allows contruction of IEEE 802.1AD-compliant +provider bridges. .Pp A .Nm @@ -83,6 +88,24 @@ option for more information. Following the vlan header is the actual ether type for the frame and length information. .Pp +An +.Ic svlan +interface is normally used for QinQ in 802.1AD-compliant provider bridges to +stack other +.Nm +interfaces on top of it. +It can be created using the +.Ic ifconfig svlan Ns Ar N Ic create +command or by setting up a +.Xr hostname.if 5 +configuration file for +.Xr netstart 8 . +The configuration is identical to the +.Nm +interface, the only differences are that it uses a different Ethernet +type (0x88a8) and an independent VLAN Id space on the parent +interface. +.Pp .Nm interfaces support the following unique .Xr ioctl 2 Ns s : @@ -104,7 +127,10 @@ interfaces use the following interface c The parent interface can handle full sized frames, plus the size of the vlan tag. .It IFCAP_VLAN_HWTAGGING -The parent interface will participate in the tagging of frames. +The parent interface will participate in the tagging of frames +(This is not supported by +.Ic svlan +interfaces). .El .Sh DIAGNOSTICS .Bl -diag @@ -150,6 +176,10 @@ and .Rs .%T IEEE 802.1Q standard .%O http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/802.1.html +.Re +.Rs +.%T IEEE 802.1AD standard +.%O Provider Bridges, QinQ .Re .Sh AUTHORS Originally [EMAIL PROTECTED] Index: sys/net/ethertypes.h === RCS file: /cvs/src/sys/net/ethertypes.h,v retrieving revision 1.9 diff -u -p -r1.9 ethertypes.h --- sys/net/ethertypes.h5 May 2008 13:40:17 - 1.9 +++ sys/net/ethertypes.h21 Aug 2008 19:18:42 - @@ -300,6 +300,7 @@ #defineETHERTYPE_LANPROBE 0x /* HP LanProbe test? */ #defineETHERTYPE_PAE 0x888E /* 802.1X Port Access Entity */ #defineETHERTYPE_AOE 0x88A2 /* ATA over Ethernet */ +#defineETHERTYPE_QINQ 0x88A8 /* 802.1ad VLAN stacking */ #defineETHERTYPE_LLDP 0x88CC /* Link Layer Discovery Protocol */ #defineETHERTYPE_LOOPBACK 0x9000 /* Loopback */ #defineETHERTYPE_LBACK ETHERTYPE_LOOPBACK /* DEC MOP loopback */ Index: sys/net/if_bridge.c === RCS file: /cvs/src/sys/net/if_bridge.c,v retrieving revision 1.170 diff -u -p -r1.170 if_bridge.c --- sys/net/if_bridge.c 14 Jun 2008 21:46:22 - 1.170 +++ sys/net/if_bridge.c 21 Aug 2008 19:18:42 - @@ -2601,7 +2601,7 @@ bridge_fragment(struct bridge_softc *sc, goto dropit; #else etype = ntohs(eh-ether_type); - if (etype == ETHERTYPE_VLAN + if ((etype == ETHERTYPE_VLAN || etype == ETHERTYPE_QINQ) (ifp-if_capabilities IFCAP_VLAN_MTU) ((m-m_pkthdr.len -
Re: Can OpenBSD run in 24 MB of RAM?
2008/9/4 Peter N. M. Hansteen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Steve Shockley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, OpenBSD will run. It's going to be slow, it's only a Pentium 100. I ran OpenBSD on a P133 for a while, I had to run the older version of X because the video wasn't supported by the new version, not sure if that's still the case. The archives will reveal that around 2.5-2.7 times (cant't remember exactly), some of us have installed and (briefly) run OpenBSD on i386/33 with all of 8MB of RAM, and I think even the trick for making the installer complete under these conditions made it into the FAQ at least for a while. Not recommended, but apparently doable, FSVO. Patience will be important. Oh yes, loads of it. By the time you've actually gotten a system with that spec to do something marginally useful, something much more recent is bound to have fallen into your lap for free. I did for a time run a 133MHz Pentium 1 clone PF firewall with a 210MB HDD and 48 MB RAM. I don't recommend using such a puny HDD. Even promotional freebie USB sticks are probably 512MB these days, and you really do want at least 512MB HDD space (of course bigger still is a lot better), because otherwise there is so much stuff that you probably would want and just cannot install. As for the RAM and the speed, I found the above quite acceptable for my home network purposes (no X11) once I gave it a bigger HDD. Of course OpenBSD will also put a better CPU and more RAM to excellent use, but based on my personal experience I would consider a Pentium 1 with 512MB HDD and 48 MB RAM the minimum for very basic 10/100 Megabit home network PF stuff. It's possible that even 24MB RAM will work ok for you, I just haven't tried it. YMMV. regards, --ropers
Re: Can OpenBSD run in 24 MB of RAM?
Oh come on .. there's no challenge in 16M. Less, that's where it gets really interesting (if you're in to BSDM, of course ;) OpenBSD 4.4-beta (GENERIC) #0: Thu Jul 10 11:55:18 CEST 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC cpu0: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T8300 @ 2.40GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 2.40 GHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,SSE3,DS-CPL,CX16 real mem = 16281600 (15MB) avail mem = 5730304 (5MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 04/10/07, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfd880, SMBIOS rev. 2.31 @ 0xe0010 (45 entries) bios0: vendor Phoenix Technologies LTD version 6.00 date 04/10/2007 bios0: VMware, Inc. VMware Virtual Platform apm0 at bios0: Power Management spec V1.2 apm0: battery life expectancy 99% apm0: AC on, battery charge high acpi at bios0 function 0x0 not configured pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.1 @ 0xfd880/0x780 pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing Table rev 1.0 @ 0xfdf30/176 (9 entries) pcibios0: PCI Interrupt Router at 000:07:0 (Intel 82371FB ISA rev 0x00) pcibios0: PCI bus #2 is the last bus bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0x8000 0xc8000/0x1000 0xdc000/0x4000! 0xe/0x4000! vmt0 at mainbus0 cpu0 at mainbus0 pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (no bios) pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 Intel 82443BX AGP rev 0x01 ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 Intel 82443BX AGP rev 0x01 pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 piixpcib0 at pci0 dev 7 function 0 Intel 82371AB PIIX4 ISA rev 0x08 pciide0 at pci0 dev 7 function 1 Intel 82371AB IDE rev 0x01: DMA, channel 0 configured to compatibility, channel 1 configured to compatibility wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: VMware Virtual IDE Hard Drive wd0: 64-sector PIO, LBA, 1024MB, 2097152 sectors wd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 2 atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 1 drive 0 scsibus0 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets, initiator 7 cd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: NECVMWar, VMware IDE CDR10, 1.00 ATAPI 5/cdrom removable cd0(pciide0:1:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 2 piixpm0 at pci0 dev 7 function 3 Intel 82371AB Power rev 0x08: SMBus disabled vga1 at pci0 dev 15 function 0 VMware Virtual SVGA II rev 0x00 wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) bha3 at pci0 dev 16 function 0 BusLogic MultiMaster rev 0x01: irq 11, BusLogic 9xxC SCSI bha3: model BT-958, firmware 5.07B bha3: sync, parity scsibus1 at bha3: 8 targets, initiator 7 ppb1 at pci0 dev 17 function 0 VMware Virtual PCI-PCI rev 0x02 pci2 at ppb1 bus 2 vic0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 AMD 79c970 PCnet-PCI rev 0x10: irq 9, address 00:0c:29:ff:4d:0d eap0 at pci2 dev 1 function 0 Ensoniq AudioPCI97 rev 0x02: irq 10 ac97: codec id 0x43525913 (Cirrus Logic CS4297A rev 3) audio0 at eap0 midi0 at eap0: AudioPCI MIDI UART isa0 at piixpcib0 isadma0 at isa0 com0 at isa0 port 0x3f8/8 irq 4: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo com1 at isa0 port 0x2f8/8 irq 3: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot) pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0 pmsi0 at pckbc0 (aux slot) pckbc0: using irq 12 for aux slot wsmouse0 at pmsi0 mux 0 pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61 midi1 at pcppi0: PC speaker spkr0 at pcppi0 lpt0 at isa0 port 0x378/4 irq 7 npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: reported by CPUID; using exception 16 fdc0 at isa0 port 0x3f0/6 irq 6 drq 2 biomask e965 netmask eb65 ttymask fbff mtrr: Pentium Pro MTRR support softraid0 at root root on wd0a swap on wd0b dump on wd0b (i'll admit that this one was installed with 256M .. but it's a GENERIC kernel and it boots with the default daemons and gettys etc, including ntpd). Cheers, Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd PS: BSDM = BSD Masochism On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 11:22:14AM -0300, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote: | Peter N. M. Hansteen escreveu: | Steve Shockley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | | | So, OpenBSD will run. It's going to be slow, it's only a Pentium | 100. I ran OpenBSD on a P133 for a while, I had to run the older | version of X because the video wasn't supported by the new version, | not sure if that's still the case. | | | The archives will reveal that around 2.5-2.7 times (cant't remember | exactly), some of us have installed and (briefly) run OpenBSD on | i386/33 with all of 8MB of RAM, and I think even the trick for making | the installer complete under these conditions made it into the FAQ at | least for a while. Not recommended, but apparently doable, FSVO. | | | Patience will be important. | | | Oh yes, loads of it. By the time you've actually gotten a system with | that spec to do something marginally useful, something much more | recent is bound to have fallen into your lap for free. | | | Never ran with 24MB, but note mentioned that I've run an openbsd | firewall on a pentium 133, with 32MB of ram. It had everything a | firewall for home uses need, DNS, DHCP and the firewall rules. I've | upgraded to 64MB so i could
Stop in line 888 of Makefile
ln: /obsd: Operation not permitted *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC (line 888 of Makefile). --running as root
Re: Stop in line 888 of Makefile
Hi! On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 08:01:35AM -0700, Doug Milam wrote: ln: /obsd: Operation not permitted *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC (line 888 of Makefile). --running as root Have you ever set an immutable flag? (ls -lo /bsd /nbsd /obsd) Kind regards, Hannah.
Re: awk doesn't recognize all of EREs
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 12:35:20PM +0400, Vadim Zhukov wrote:
Our awk do not recognize range regex operator ({n,m} syntax). But man
page says:
awk supports extended regular expressions (EREs). See re_format(7) for
more information on regular expressions.
This behavior is same as in FreeBSD. gawk recognize range operator in
POSIX mode (--posix).
As far as I understand, either our awk should recognize range operator
(better) or this non-POSIX behavior should be mentioned in awk(1).
Sample diff for man page provided; I didn't dig deeply in code to fix it
enough yet.
slightly different diff to yours committed. thanks for the mail,
jmc
Re: Can OpenBSD run in 24 MB of RAM?
On 2008-09-04, Giancarlo Razzolini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never ran with 24MB, but note mentioned that I've run an openbsd firewall on a pentium 133, with 32MB of ram. It had everything a firewall for home uses need, DNS, DHCP and the firewall rules. I've upgraded to 64MB so i could run a squid proxy, apache server and openvpn server. Ran it for more than a year. OpenBSD is a very small footprint operational system. I believe it will run in 24MB with no problems. I had problems on a 32MB soekris 4526 just using it as an access point. bridge + hostap + that's it. but with swap available you could do more. I don't know how the installer will do with that little RAM; you may have to install the OS onto the hard drive on a machine with more. It's not going to make a normal workstation, that's for sure, but there are things you can do with it. X server, running apps remotely? perhaps, though I think you still have to be careful what you run. Basic router or nat gateway? maybe, but the network interfaces on that sort of laptop are going to suck. Cheap smallish device to leave at a colo site for when you need serial console access to machines? Got/can add USB? simple one-wire sensor controller with uow(4)? The cheapest Eee is considerably better-spec, of course...
Re: Can OpenBSD run in 24 MB of RAM?
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 04:46:07PM +0200, Paul de Weerd wrote: | Oh come on .. there's no challenge in 16M. Less, that's where it gets | really interesting (if you're in to BSDM, of course ;) OK, at 8MB it runs with a non-GENERIC kernel, still booting with all the default services (including ntpd). Logging in over ssh is slow as molasses, but it works (swap is not an option - it's mandatory now ;) This kernel actually has useful options (ipv6, pf, vlan, briding, etc) enabled. It weighs in at 1663498 bytes. You can probably get smaller but not by much. The first idiot to send me a dmesg of a working (real, no VMWare trickery like I'm doing) machine with less memory can come by to pick up a better machine (at least with more RAM) for free. (I may have more machines I want to get rid of and am too lazy to take out to the trash, first come first served) That's it for today, I'm done with BSDM for now ;) Cheers, Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd OpenBSD 4.4-current (I_AM_IDIOT) #1: Thu Sep 4 18:04:18 CEST 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/I_AM_IDIOT cpu0: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T8300 @ 2.40GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 2.40 GHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,SSE3,DS-CPL,CX16 real mem = 7892992 (7MB) avail mem = 3051520 (2MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 04/10/07, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfd880, SMBIOS rev. 2.31 @ 0xe0010 (45 entries) bios0: vendor Phoenix Technologies LTD version 6.00 date 04/10/2007 bios0: VMware, Inc. VMware Virtual Platform pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.1 @ 0xfd880/0x780 pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing Table rev 1.0 @ 0xfdf30/176 (9 entries) pcibios0: PCI Interrupt Router at 000:07:0 (vendor 0x8086 product 0x122e rev 0x00) pcibios0: PCI bus #2 is the last bus bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0x8000 0xc8000/0x1000 0xdc000/0x4000! 0xe/0x4000! cpu0 at mainbus0 pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (no bios) pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 vendor 0x8086 product 0x7190 rev 0x01 ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 vendor 0x8086 product 0x7191 rev 0x01 pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 piixpcib0 at pci0 dev 7 function 0 vendor 0x8086 product 0x7110 rev 0x08 pciide0 at pci0 dev 7 function 1 vendor 0x8086 product 0x7111 rev 0x01: DMA, channel 0 configured to compatibility, channel 1 configured to compatibility wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: VMware Virtual IDE Hard Drive wd0: 64-sector PIO, LBA, 1024MB, 2097152 sectors wd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 2 drive at pciide0 channel 1 drive 0 not configured pciide0: channel 1 disabled (no drives) vendor 0x8086 product 0x7113 (class bridge subclass miscellaneous, rev 0x08) at pci0 dev 7 function 3 not configured vga0 at pci0 dev 15 function 0 vendor 0x15ad product 0x0405 rev 0x00 wsdisplay0 at vga0 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) vendor 0x104b product 0x1040 (class mass storage subclass SCSI, rev 0x01) at pci0 dev 16 function 0 not configured ppb1 at pci0 dev 17 function 0 vendor 0x15ad product 0x0790 rev 0x02 pci2 at ppb1 bus 2 vic0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 vendor 0x1022 product 0x2000 rev 0x10: irq 9, address 00:0c:29:ff:4d:0d vendor 0x1274 product 0x1371 (class multimedia subclass audio, rev 0x02) at pci2 dev 1 function 0 not configured isa0 at piixpcib0 isadma0 at isa0 com0 at isa0 port 0x3f8/8 irq 4: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo com1 at isa0 port 0x2f8/8 irq 3: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot) pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0 pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61 spkr0 at pcppi0 npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: reported by CPUID; using exception 16 biomask fde5 netmask ffe5 ttymask mtrr: Pentium Pro MTRR support root on wd0a swap on wd0b dump on wd0b -- [++-]+++.+++[---].+++[+ +++-].++[-]+.--.[-] http://www.weirdnet.nl/
Re: Can OpenBSD run in 24 MB of RAM?
Hi! On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 06:19:30PM +0200, Paul de Weerd wrote: On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 04:46:07PM +0200, Paul de Weerd wrote: | Oh come on .. there's no challenge in 16M. Less, that's where it gets | really interesting (if you're in to BSDM, of course ;) OK, at 8MB it runs with a non-GENERIC kernel, still booting with all the default services (including ntpd). Logging in over ssh is slow as molasses, but it works (swap is not an option - it's mandatory now ;) That were times when encrypted/kerberized telnet was really useful, back then, when I really used small boxen as router. Even with more RAM, ssh was *slow* (because of CPU) on some boxen, while e/k telnet was quite fast still. [...] The first idiot to send me a dmesg of a working (real, no VMWare trickery like I'm doing) machine with less memory can come by to pick up a better machine (at least with more RAM) for free. (I may have more machines I want to get rid of and am too lazy to take out to the trash, first come first served) About 10 years ago, I built a dedicated bridge-only system, using a 386 or 486 (don't remember any more, it was at times when obsd actually *did* run, when GPL_MATH_EMU wasn't dropped from the kernel yet). It ran on *4* MB of RAM, highly custom kernel, of course. Floppy only, no hard disk. The only way to fix/customize the box was to generate a new floppy image on my build host. The floppy was derived from the very old kernel install stuff (crunchgen/crunchide based binary, initialization shell script, but not ramdisk, but floppy as root filesystem!). IIRC the box could be run without any fan, i.e. noiseless, and bridged 2 10-mbit coax based ethernets quite fine (fine in relation to what was fine *then*!). Kind regards, Hannah.
Intel x86-64 using the amd64 platform
Hello misc@ I've read through the FAQ and done some searching on the mailing lists + google, but I cannot find a definitive answer to my question. To keep it simple, I'm looking at installing OpenBSD on a ThinkPad T61p w/Intel Core 2 Duo. I've been reading that the amd64 platform will work however the NX bit isn't supported. Intel has since come out with their own version of the NX bit for whatever reason (shouldn't they have just copied it like they did everything else?), the XD bit. Has this been implemented anywhere so that the amd64-bit platform, running under an Intel proc, will support W^X? If not it looks like I should stick with 32-bit... and if not, any plans in the future on implementing Intel's specific XD bit? Thanks, Brian Drain
Re: Intel x86-64 using the amd64 platform
I've read through the FAQ and done some searching on the mailing lists + google, but I cannot find a definitive answer to my question. To keep it simple, I'm looking at installing OpenBSD on a ThinkPad T61p w/Intel Core 2 Duo. I've been reading that the amd64 platform will work however the NX bit isn't supported. Not all Intel cpu's support it. Intel has since come out with their own version of the NX bit for whatever reason (shouldn't they have just copied it like they did everything else?), the XD bit. It isn't their own XD bit. They just couldn't help letting the lawyers rename it and put a trademark on it. It works exactly the same. Except on some Intel machines where it does not exist, or where it is broken. Has this been implemented anywhere so that the amd64-bit platform, running under an Intel proc, will support W^X? Most Intel processors now do it correctly. If not it looks like I should stick with 32-bit... and if not, any plans in the future on implementing Intel's specific XD bit? There is no Intel specific XD bit. It works 100% the same. It is identical. Intel just felt that they needed to rename everything because it would make things oh so much more clear.
Re: Can OpenBSD run in 24 MB of RAM?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart Henderson Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 12:11 PM To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Can OpenBSD run in 24 MB of RAM? On 2008-09-04, Giancarlo Razzolini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never ran with 24MB, but note mentioned that I've run an openbsd firewall on a pentium 133, with 32MB of ram. It had everything a firewall for home uses need, DNS, DHCP and the firewall rules. I've upgraded to 64MB so i could run a squid proxy, apache server and openvpn server. Ran it for more than a year. OpenBSD is a very small footprint operational system. I believe it will run in 24MB with no problems. I had problems on a 32MB soekris 4526 just using it as an access point. bridge + hostap + that's it. but with swap available you could do more. I run my home router with 32MB of RAM, it does require some swap though. I'm running dhcpd, ntpd, pf, named, and two bitchx clients. The heavy hitter on RAM being named, it's currently using around 17MB I've been meaning to change over to djbdns, I just haven't yet. Everything runs smoothly as is. load averages: 0.09, 0.18, 0.14 28 processes: 27 idle, 1 on processor CPU states: 0.5% user, 0.0% nice, 0.5% system, 0.2% interrupt, 98.9% idle Memory: Real: 5884K/22M act/tot Free: 2188K Swap: 20M/65M used/tot OpenBSD 4.4-beta (GENERIC) #1012: Sun Aug 3 09:57:38 MDT 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC cpu0: AMD-K6tm w/ multimedia extensions (AuthenticAMD 586-class) 200 MHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8,MMX real mem = 33124352 (31MB) avail mem = 22052864 (21MB)
Re: Intel x86-64 using the amd64 platform
Thank you Theo for the quick reply. I will give it a shot as it appears from your answer the newer Intel processors should have this functionality, albeit named very unconventionally. Would there be something in dmesg that would indicate proper W^X support once installed? Maybe one of these days closed hardware vendors like Intel, Creative, etc., will open up a bit and provide the necessary support to people trying to write software that will flawlessly work with various hardware, much better than the original vendor could ever dream of doing. Best regards, Brian Drain -Original Message- From: Theo de Raadt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 12:13 PM To: Brian Drain Cc: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Intel x86-64 using the amd64 platform I've read through the FAQ and done some searching on the mailing lists + google, but I cannot find a definitive answer to my question. To keep it simple, I'm looking at installing OpenBSD on a ThinkPad T61p w/Intel Core 2 Duo. I've been reading that the amd64 platform will work however the NX bit isn't supported. Not all Intel cpu's support it. Intel has since come out with their own version of the NX bit for whatever reason (shouldn't they have just copied it like they did everything else?), the XD bit. It isn't their own XD bit. They just couldn't help letting the lawyers rename it and put a trademark on it. It works exactly the same. Except on some Intel machines where it does not exist, or where it is broken. Has this been implemented anywhere so that the amd64-bit platform, running under an Intel proc, will support W^X? Most Intel processors now do it correctly. If not it looks like I should stick with 32-bit... and if not, any plans in the future on implementing Intel's specific XD bit? There is no Intel specific XD bit. It works 100% the same. It is identical. Intel just felt that they needed to rename everything because it would make things oh so much more clear.
Re: Intel x86-64 using the amd64 platform
This is OT, but I am curious as to the application that makes no-execute a killer feature for you? On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Brian Drain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello misc@ I've read through the FAQ and done some searching on the mailing lists + google, but I cannot find a definitive answer to my question. To keep it simple, I'm looking at installing OpenBSD on a ThinkPad T61p w/Intel Core 2 Duo. I've been reading that the amd64 platform will work however the NX bit isn't supported. Intel has since come out with their own version of the NX bit for whatever reason (shouldn't they have just copied it like they did everything else?), the XD bit. Has this been implemented anywhere so that the amd64-bit platform, running under an Intel proc, will support W^X? If not it looks like I should stick with 32-bit... and if not, any plans in the future on implementing Intel's specific XD bit? Thanks, Brian Drain -- Some software money can't buy. For everything else there's Micros~1.
Re: Intel x86-64 using the amd64 platform
Thank you Theo for the quick reply. I will give it a shot as it appears from your answer the newer Intel processors should have this functionality, albeit named very unconventionally. Would there be something in dmesg that would indicate proper W^X support once installed? cpu0: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,NXE,MMXX,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW That little 'NXE' above indicates it has it. Whether it works correct or not is another matter. Maybe one of these days closed hardware vendors like Intel, Creative, etc., will open up a bit and provide the necessary support to people trying to write software that will flawlessly work with various hardware, much better than the original vendor could ever dream of doing. Good lord; why would they do that. Their investment overlords would never permit a open and fair playing field or competitive market. Monopolies like monopolies, and olygopolies are really just monolopies.
Re: Intel x86-64 using the amd64 platform
Hello Patric - No particular application but as an available security feature, albeit not the panacea the masses thought it would be when released, I was just curious how it potentially worked (or didn't work) with the Intel processors using amd64. I can say in the environments I've been in, NX never stopped anything, just slightly mitigated the damage done (and even that was debatable). I would have to assume that with the stability and maturity I've come to find in OpenBSD W^X may never come in to play or ever be needed. Cheers, Brian Drain From: patric conant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 12:22 PM To: Brian Drain Cc: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Intel x86-64 using the amd64 platform This is OT, but I am curious as to the application that makes no-execute a killer feature for you? On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Brian Drain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello misc@ I've read through the FAQ and done some searching on the mailing lists + google, but I cannot find a definitive answer to my question. To keep it simple, I'm looking at installing OpenBSD on a ThinkPad T61p w/Intel Core 2 Duo. I've been reading that the amd64 platform will work however the NX bit isn't supported. Intel has since come out with their own version of the NX bit for whatever reason (shouldn't they have just copied it like they did everything else?), the XD bit. Has this been implemented anywhere so that the amd64-bit platform, running under an Intel proc, will support W^X? If not it looks like I should stick with 32-bit... and if not, any plans in the future on implementing Intel's specific XD bit? Thanks, Brian Drain -- Some software money can't buy. For everything else there's Micros~1.
Re: Can OpenBSD run in 24 MB of RAM?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: I've searched the FAQ and the Web for any guidance on what the minimum RAM is for OpenBSD, with and without X. I just acquired a Compaq Armada 1125 laptop that maxes out at 24 MB of RAM, and I'm wondering whether or not it's feasible to run OpenBSD on it.
Re: Intel x86-64 using the amd64 platform
No. Just a general statement regarding some vendors being completely inept at letting developers get access to what they think is IP and preventing them from running hardware that they purchased on whatever platform they want without the need to reverse engineer it. -Original Message- From: Ted Unangst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 1:04 PM To: Brian Drain Cc: Theo de Raadt; misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Intel x86-64 using the amd64 platform On 9/4/08, Brian Drain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe one of these days closed hardware vendors like Intel, Creative, etc., will open up a bit and provide the necessary support to people trying to write software that will flawlessly work with various hardware, much better than the original vendor could ever dream of doing. Was this related to NX bit support? Because NX is documented and does work flawlessly.
Re: Intel x86-64 using the amd64 platform
On 9/4/08, Brian Drain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe one of these days closed hardware vendors like Intel, Creative, etc., will open up a bit and provide the necessary support to people trying to write software that will flawlessly work with various hardware, much better than the original vendor could ever dream of doing. Was this related to NX bit support? Because NX is documented and does work flawlessly.
Re: Can OpenBSD run in 24 MB of RAM?
I installed 4.3 onto a Compaq Armada 1500 with 32RAM. I got nginx working with PHP though fastcgi but before i could test it any further i got it upgraded to 96MB. It was handling it well enough with 32, i guess... you can't really tell just how much RAM is in deed being used. I'm still keeping it low profile, with SQLite. It's basically my test box for fiddling around with servers. FTP was a try but needs work, i was trying vsftp i think. Then i got very slow ssh responses but worked around it disabling DNS in ssh.conf (or something like that). Quite a fun thread to read :D Next step will be fiddling around with the printer. I was trying CUPS but guess what, it depends on X - which i obviously don't have installed. The best response i got here was man lpd... So we'll see. The main purpose of using it, besides the fun, is to maybe upgrade it to support a large hard-drive so it can be on 24/7 and act as my /home throughout my home network. Using its USB 1.0 would be kinda slow but finding a decent HD for this old box is not that easy (i.e. internal or fiddle with the cables and adapt a normal external IDE)... Plus i dunno if there are any size limits for booting and all that, maybe that's solved with a small /boot partition at the begining of the drive? -- Nuno MagalhC#es
Re: Can OpenBSD run in 24 MB of RAM?
On 2008-09-04, Wade, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been meaning to change over to djbdns, I just haven't yet. take a look at Unbound (port/package in 4.4/-current), it's quite nice.
Re: Can OpenBSD run in 24 MB of RAM?
I used to run OpenBSD 4.2 on a sun SparcClassic with 24MB and it ran pretty cool, i used the box as web server and vpn gateway, 2 users had screen sessions with irssi and mcabber.
pf to block against DDoS?
Hello hello! I was quite shocked today when I heard I could use pf to block against DDoS attacks, using Stateful Tracking Options, http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/filter.html#stateopts. But does anybody have any nice setups of this they'd want to share? Much obliged, and thanks. -- http://www.home.no/reddvinylene
Re: apache proxy balancer for 1.3?
Hi. --- L. V. Lammert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 03:11 PM 9/3/2008 -0700, Aaron Glenn wrote: On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 3:50 PM, L. V. Lammert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone seen something like the 2.1 proxy_balancer we could use with 1.3? I know than mod_accel work as reverse proxy in Apache 1.x. http://sysoev.ru/mod_accel/mod_accel-1.0.34.tar.gz more info in: http://sysoev.ru/en/ I hope that you found some of your interest. Regards ficovh Lee skimming the proxy_balancer description, I would have to say relayd should fit the bill...? Interesting, .. looks like it might also handle the SSL connection - thanks!! Lee
OpenBSD 4.4 pre-orders
Pre-orders for OpenBSD 4.4 (CD, tshirt, poster) are up at http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html As well, the new song for the release is also being made available at the same time. This can be found at http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html Enjoy the song, and think about ordering some of our things, since purchases help fund the project. Thanks.
Re: Stop in line 888 of Makefile
Doug Milam wrote: Thanks; that was my best guess since these commands are part of a shell script. In any case, this script was run as root (not merely using sudo). --- On Sun, 8/24/08, Philip Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Philip Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ln: /obsd: Operation not permitted To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Misc OpenBSD misc@openbsd.org Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 10:36 PM On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Doug Milam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The following error occurs after the command cd /usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC; make clean make depend make ln /bsd /obsd ln: /obsd: Operation not permitted *** Error code 1 You *sure* that was the command you invoked? That looks like the result of doing make install as non-root. Philip Guenther Doug Milam wrote: ln: /obsd: Operation not permitted *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC (line 888 of Makefile). --running as root Does make install work when run outside of your script? Tom
Re: apache proxy balancer for 1.3?
On 2008-09-03, L. V. Lammert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 03:11 PM 9/3/2008 -0700, Aaron Glenn wrote: On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 3:50 PM, L. V. Lammert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone seen something like the 2.1 proxy_balancer we could use with 1.3? Lee skimming the proxy_balancer description, I would have to say relayd should fit the bill...? Interesting, .. looks like it might also handle the SSL connection - thanks!! transparently, too. (i.e. the web server can see the original source IP address).
Re: pf to block against DDoS?
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 09:23:09PM +0200, Redd Vinylene wrote: Hello hello! I was quite shocked today when I heard I could use pf to block against DDoS attacks, using Stateful Tracking Options, http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/filter.html#stateopts. But does anybody have any nice setups of this they'd want to share? Much obliged, and thanks. ... nice cross-post. I can recommend reading through this as well: http://www.bgnett.no/~peter/pf/en/bruteforce.html -- Oliver PETER, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], ICQ# 113969174 If it feels good, you're doing something wrong. -- Coach McTavish
Re: pf to block against DDoS?
What exactly are you looking for? Are you looking for example rulesets? Thanks Subhro On 9/5/08, Redd Vinylene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello hello! I was quite shocked today when I heard I could use pf to block against DDoS attacks, using Stateful Tracking Options, http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/filter.html#stateopts. But does anybody have any nice setups of this they'd want to share? Much obliged, and thanks. -- http://www.home.no/reddvinylene ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com Subhro Kar Software Engineer Dynamic Digital Technologies Pvt. Ltd. EPY-3, Sector: V Salt Lake City 700091 India
Re: pf to block against DDoS?
Oliver Peter wrote: I can recommend reading through this as well: http://www.bgnett.no/~peter/pf/en/bruteforce.html You can also use two tables so that the first overload gets shunted to a slow queue and given a second chance before ending up in the second table which gets blocked. -Lars
Re: apache proxy balancer for 1.3?
At 08:17 PM 9/4/2008 +, you wrote: On 2008-09-03, L. V. Lammert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting, .. looks like it might also handle the SSL connection - thanks!! transparently, too. (i.e. the web server can see the original source IP address). Unfortunately, it doesn't look like this will install with the standard 1.3 (make patches the Apache sources and the mod_proxy, mod_rewrite, mod_charset and mod_ssl modules), .. Can't justify tearing up the server just for a module that may or may not work - the notes on load balancing failover haven't been translated, .. and from some earlier clues, it appears that it can't handle different ports anyway. Bummer, but thanks for the suggetion! Lee
Re: OpenBSD 4.4 pre-orders
On Thu, 4 Sep 2008, Theo de Raadt wrote: Pre-orders for OpenBSD 4.4 (CD, tshirt, poster) are up at http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html As well, the new song for the release is also being made available at the same time. This can be found at http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html Enjoy the song, and think about ordering some of our things, since purchases help fund the project. Thanks. Yea! Thanks to all the developers for a job well done. diana
Re: pf to block against DDoS?
On Sep 4, 2008, at 12:23 PM, Redd Vinylene wrote: I was quite shocked today when I heard I could use pf to block against DDoS attacks, using Stateful Tracking Options, http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/filter.html#stateopts. But does anybody have any nice setups of this they'd want to share? I'd not describe that as an anti-DDoS capability. It's hard to simply write a direct pf.conf that'll handle most attacks like this. On the other hand, bruteforce DDoS attacks are pretty easy to find and block, once you know what you're looking for. For example, too many requests to a specific port might be a bruteforce attack, so tagging that stream and assigning it to a specific low priority queue (or just outright blocking) may work well (basically via overload rulesets in pf.conf and altq). But, most DDoS attacks aren't layer 7 (application), they're generally layer 3 (network), and use ICMP, UDP, or TCP, and due to how delivery of the packets will happen it can still saturate your line. Of course, you can synproxy at the firewall for inbound TCP packets, and hopefully preserve performance for the application behind it, and simply permit the session to establish AFTER the handshake completed. My likely assumption is that the same host hitting ports 80 and 443 too rapidly with too many requests may be an attacker, but it might be a browser that's just configured to connect with multiple requests at the same time (custom network.http.pipelining.maxrequests in Firefox, for example). So outright blocking the IP could alienate some clients. It would be better to assign to a low BW or low priority queue via altq for a given table. I've really put too much thought in to this. -jb
Possibly OT... allowing daemon mpd to access samba shares
I'm currently trying to set up and OpenBSD machine (4.4 beta 08/08/23) To run as a SaMBa server and a music server using the mpd package. A global windows share known as //Rowena/music has been set up to gather the songs and I attempted to configure mpd as using that as the music directory. When mpd is started, it complains that /var/samba/music can not be opened because of permissions /var/samba/music has group set to samba and user set to samba uid 561 gid 561. Permissions are -rwxrwx---, user _mpd (mpd drops to this user when started by root, is a member of _mpd and samba. If I set permissions on the directory to 777, mpd runs fine. Any pointers on where in the manual I should look? Or even suggestions on how to fix the problem? Anathae
Re: OpenBSD 4.4 pre-orders
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 01:59:04PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: | Pre-orders for OpenBSD 4.4 (CD, tshirt, poster) are up at | | http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html | | As well, the new song for the release is also being made available at | the same time. This can be found at | | http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html | | Enjoy the song, and think about ordering some of our things, since | purchases help fund the project. Thanks. Cool song, great release ! I like the tribute to the guys that started all of this. So for this release, thanks not only go to the OpenBSD developers, but also to the guys who gave us BSD in the first place. Undeadly article now also online : http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=articlesid=20080904204021 All of you WPA people out there : go on, buy a copy (or a few more). You have no reason not to with 4.4 ;) Cheers, Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd -- [++-]+++.+++[---].+++[+ +++-].++[-]+.--.[-] http://www.weirdnet.nl/
Re: Possibly OT... allowing daemon mpd to access samba shares
On Thu, 4 Sep 2008, Anathae Townsend wrote: gid 561. Permissions are -rwxrwx---, user _mpd (mpd drops to this user when started by root, is a member of _mpd and samba. If I set permissions on the directory to 777, mpd runs fine. I always saw that behaviour with mpd. I'd be curious if anyone comes up with a solution. -- Antoine
Re: OpenBSD 4.4 pre-orders
Theo de Raadt wrote: Pre-orders for OpenBSD 4.4 (CD, tshirt, poster) are up at http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html Do the first X number of pre-orders get autographed... or something :) -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/OpenBSD-4.4-pre-orders-tp19318881p19320510.html Sent from the openbsd user - misc mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: Can OpenBSD run in 24 MB of RAM?
2008/9/4 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've searched the FAQ and the Web for any guidance on what the minimum RAM is for OpenBSD, with and without X. I just acquired a Compaq Armada 1125 laptop that maxes out at 24 MB of RAM, and I'm wondering whether or not it's feasible to run OpenBSD on it. I kept thinking that I had read an answer to that question in some part of the documentation in the past, but like the OP, I couldn't find it in the FAQ. Now I've found it: It's in INSTALL.386 --on the web e.g. at http://anga.funkfeuer.at/ftp/pub/OpenBSD/4.3/i386/INSTALL.i386 (and other mirrors)-- where is says among other things: The minimal configuration to install the system is 24MB or 32MB of RAM and perhaps 200MB of disk space. To install the entire system requires much more disk space, and to run X or compile the system, more RAM is recommended. I'm not, btw. entirely sure why it says 24MB *or* 32MB, but anyway. kind regards, --ropers
Re: OpenBSD 4.4 pre-orders
Theo de Raadt wrote: Pre-orders for OpenBSD 4.4 (CD, tshirt, poster) are up at http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html Do the first X number of pre-orders get autographed... or something :) Direct ship your copy to me, I'll test it out for you, sign that its a good copy, and send it to you. Will that work? J -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/OpenBSD-4.4-pre-orders-tp19318881p19320510.html Sent from the openbsd user - misc mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: Can OpenBSD run in 24 MB of RAM?
ropers wrote: 2008/9/4 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've searched the FAQ and the Web for any guidance on what the minimum RAM is for OpenBSD, with and without X. I just acquired a Compaq Armada 1125 laptop that maxes out at 24 MB of RAM, and I'm wondering whether or not it's feasible to run OpenBSD on it. I kept thinking that I had read an answer to that question in some part of the documentation in the past, but like the OP, I couldn't find it in the FAQ. Now I've found it: It's in INSTALL.386 --on the web e.g. at http://anga.funkfeuer.at/ftp/pub/OpenBSD/4.3/i386/INSTALL.i386 (and other mirrors)-- where is says among other things: The minimal configuration to install the system is 24MB or 32MB of RAM and perhaps 200MB of disk space. To install the entire system requires much more disk space, and to run X or compile the system, more RAM is recommended. I'm not, btw. entirely sure why it says 24MB *or* 32MB, but anyway. Because it is hard to get a machine down to 24M RAM anymore. :) I actually have some 16M DIMMs which allowed me to build a real 450MHz PII machine with 16M RAM. :) I have difficulty coming up with a practical app for such a machine, however. IF it doesn't already have 24M RAM in it, upgrading to that would be unpleasant. You won't want to compile anything. You won't want to use X (don't know that you would want to do that on that screen anyway). You won't be using any big applications. You won't be using any medium-sized applications. You won't be running many small applications. I guess if you need a portable serial console, it might be pretty good, though the battery is probably dead. 100MHz P1 is enough for ssh, but it isn't really fun. Finding a PCMCIA network adapter that works on a machine that old might be lots of fun, too. I think I started writing a FAQ article a few times on minimum hardware a few times. It kept turning into a sermon. :) Short version: If you are new to OpenBSD, I'm going to say a P-II, 4G HD, 64M RAM would be the least I'd suggest. A lot of things a LOT less will work just fine for a LOT of applications, but when you are learning, you want to have something you can screw-up and reload many times without horrible delays. You want to be able to say, What happens when I do THIS? and even look forward to it blowing up and requiring a complete reload. Can you do repeated reloads on a 486/25? Of course. However, if you got that kinda time on your hands, you need a job. Experienced users usually have no problem figuring out what they need to run their applications. Also keep in mind, the goal is most likely not running OpenBSD, the goal is probably some task which runs on top OpenBSD. 24M is plenty to sit at a shell prompt, but I doubt that's your goal. Nick.
Re: OpenBSD 4.4 pre-orders
2008/9/4 Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pre-orders for OpenBSD 4.4 (CD, tshirt, poster) are up at http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html As well, the new song for the release is also being made available at the same time. This can be found at http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html Enjoy the song, and think about ordering some of our things, since purchases help fund the project. Thanks. Hi I purchased 4.3 on April :). I am going to show it on Software Freedom Day, does anybody knows somebody who wants to help me in this event in September 19-20 in Universidad del Azuay in my country-city, please contact me. Sincerily Andres P.D. Look what I did to my Jacket :), http://www.crice.org/?q=node/130 -- Atentamente Andris Genovez Tobar / Departamento Tecnico COMERCIAL SALVADOR PACHECO MORA S.A. / DESDE 1945 SPM TECNOLOGIAS Cuenca, Luis Cordero 9-70 y Gran Colombia Av. 27 de Febrero y Jacinto Flores Telifono. 593-7-2842388 ext 103 Fax. 593-7-2842388 ext 120 Celular 593-97670874 593-96816996 Alegro Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Viaje: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cspmsa.com www.crice.org
Re: Can OpenBSD run in 24 MB of RAM?
On Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:33:11 -0400, Nick Holland wrote: Experienced users usually have no problem figuring out what they need to run their applications. Also keep in mind, the goal is most likely not running OpenBSD, the goal is probably some task which runs on top OpenBSD. 24M is plenty to sit at a shell prompt, but I doubt that's your goal. Hehe. I did a favour for a client and took his son's Thinkpad 240 (nice and small, dead battery, PCMCIA CD drive etc) I forget how much RAM but not very. Can't install from a CD because of catch 22 - CD unbootable until an OS is installed 8-) OBSD boots nicely from external floppy, connnects via PCMCIA NIC to my install server, installs happily. All I want it for is to run cu to talk to Soekris boxes in the field so I can even leave out the external FDD but it's then i find out that the RS232 port is dead. At that point I am glad that OBSD is so easy to install that the effort was not great and sad that I didn't forsee that something that old and so battered would likely have problems. Ahhh well, another paperweight like most of the machines mentioned in threads like this. It just makes me feel as old as these war stories... ~|^ == R/ (Offlist replies to the supplied reply-to: or discover tarpitting ;-} ) Rod/ _ Depressed? Me? Don't make me laugh! :Spike Milligan:1918-2002:
Re: OpenBSD 4.4 pre-orders
new_guy wrote: Theo de Raadt wrote: Pre-orders for OpenBSD 4.4 (CD, tshirt, poster) are up at http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html Do the first X number of pre-orders get autographed... or something :) The first X pre-orders get a LOT more than just autographs!! Order now! It seems X is always lower than where my order is on list; I think perhaps X=0. I keep hoping for the release where Canada Post delivers my copy before release date.
Re: dvorak keyboard not working still!
[demime could not interpret encoding - treating as plain text] I still have no success trying all the advice given to me. Dvorak is still not functional. Anything else I should look into? Please note, I'm trying to get this to work on the console. This being a server, I don't have X running. Below is what I tried: wsconsctl keyboard.encoding=us.dvorak keyboard.encoding - us.dvorak the line above is how my OpenBSD 4.3 server responded but asdf jkl; still produces asdf jkl; /etc/kbdtype us.dvorak and I rebooted, still asdf jkl; produces asdf jkl; I even tried this before I sent my original post: wsconsctl.conf keyboard.encoding=us.dvorak and I rebooted, but still asdf jkl; produces asdf jkl; The one thing I did not try is selecting us.dvorak when installing OpenBSD but I don't want to recreate my server at this point in time for a dvorak layout. But believe me, I'll definitely try it the next time I install OpenBSD. Please, anything else I should look into? For those who responded, I appreciate the help. Don't be offended about my next question. For those who have dvorak running, is it on an OpenBSD 4.3 release-- not stable? I generally try to keep my OpenBSD installations as default as possible--except dvorak if I can get it running.
Re: Can OpenBSD run in 24 MB of RAM?
ropers wrote: I'm not, btw. entirely sure why it says 24MB *or* 32MB, but anyway. Must be the video ram used by AGP...
Re: Using PF to NAT internal addresses over an IPSec link
Well, I've got it. It turns out it's kind of easy, although not as pretty as it could be. Basically, you use relayd. The one caveat is that this means that from the OpenBSD box, you need to be able to talk to the remote, private IPs without binding to a particular address. In relayd.conf, you enable relays on a port-by-port basis, so you can't allow blanket access.
Re: bgpd extension handling capabilities
I have applied the patch supplied by Henning, and now get the following in my bgpctl show neighbor Neighbor capabilities: Multiprotocol extensions: IPv4 Unicast (previously was unknown (128)) yes, with my patch, we simply ignore the annoucement and show the default. Can this patch (along with IPv6) be considered for current? Thanks, g
Re: dvorak keyboard not working still!
I'm using dvorak layout on console and on X. On X I use custom xmodmap to get C$C6 -letters. On console I have keyboard.encoding=us.dvorak on /etc/wsconsctl.conf. One downside is that it doesn't work straight with my USB-keyboard and I need to manually load dvorak with sudo kbd us.dvorak and it works just fine after that. I'm using -current branch but it did work on 4.3-release too. I didn't choose dvorak on installation but added it later. Are you directly connected to server with your keyboard etc or do you take remote connection to it? Timo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [demime could not interpret encoding - treating as plain text] I still have no success trying all the advice given to me. Dvorak is still not functional. Anything else I should look into? Please note, I'm trying to get this to work on the console. This being a server, I don't have X running. Below is what I tried: wsconsctl keyboard.encoding=us.dvorak keyboard.encoding - us.dvorak the line above is how my OpenBSD 4.3 server responded but asdf jkl; still produces asdf jkl; /etc/kbdtype us.dvorak and I rebooted, still asdf jkl; produces asdf jkl; I even tried this before I sent my original post: wsconsctl.conf keyboard.encoding=us.dvorak and I rebooted, but still asdf jkl; produces asdf jkl; The one thing I did not try is selecting us.dvorak when installing OpenBSD but I don't want to recreate my server at this point in time for a dvorak layout. But believe me, I'll definitely try it the next time I install OpenBSD. Please, anything else I should look into? For those who responded, I appreciate the help. Don't be offended about my next question. For those who have dvorak running, is it on an OpenBSD 4.3 release-- not stable? I generally try to keep my OpenBSD installations as default as possible--except dvorak if I can get it running.
Re: Stop in line 888 of Makefile
I have not set an immutable flag, but the current flag is schg for /bsd On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 08:01:35AM -0700, Doug Milam wrote: ln: /obsd: Operation not permitted *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC (line 888 of Makefile). --running as root Have you ever set an immutable flag? (ls -lo /bsd /nbsd /obsd) Kind regards, Hannah.
Re: Stop in line 888 of Makefile
It does not, no Doug Milam wrote: ln: /obsd: Operation not permitted *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC (line 888 of Makefile). --running as root Does make install work when run outside of your script? Tom
Re: Stop in line 888 of Makefile
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Doug Milam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have not set an immutable flag, but the current flag is schg for /bsd Then you should talk to the person who did set the immutable flag.
Link exchange with my google PR 4 site
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