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Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
Benny Lofgren bl-li...@lofgren.biz wrote: On 2011-04-21 22.27, P. Pruett wrote: how about donate [snip] The reason for my initial suggestion, which was along the lines Rafal whom you commented also thought, was that a donation *ISN'T A FUCKING OPTION* where I and others live. The other thing is that, based on Theo's 18 April post, funds from donations (or going to the openbsd foundation) don't go into the same bucket as funds from CD sales. If I'm interested in putting my funds into the CD bucket, donations and contributions to the foundation don't get me there. Question, Theo: If I was to say the following, would it work without causing an unacceptable amount of work? My company wants to pay you to develop or fix feature (where feature is already on the short list of what is planned for the next release). It is worth value to us. If you're interested, send us an invoice (from either you personally or your corporation or other business entity) in some readily machine readable format (text file, spread sheet, pdf, it doesn't matter) that lists the amount and the feature. We'll send you the check immediately, and consider the deliverable complete when the *initial* version is committed. That deliverable is intented to be unobtrusive. It doesn't say that it *must* be in the next release. It also doesn't imply any sort of user acceptance test or support requirement. It allows for the possibility for you to pass the funds along and have another developer implement it. It is similar to other open source projects where a company might put up a bounty to have a certain feature implemented (other than in those cases, it is open to whomever grabs it first). So, does that take too much time away from development, or is for some other reason (tax, etc) unworkable? A possible valid response is, we don't care that it's going into the donation fund bucket rather than the CD fund bucket. A simple yes or no also suffices; a long explanation either way is not required. And for you undesirables out there: Unsolicited requests for funds will go into the bit bucket with all the other spam, so don't try. Not that you'll listen anyway. Devin
Re: problem mounting svnd-based disk
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 04:14:11PM +0200, Tasmanian Devil wrote:
Hello, misc!
I use a svnd-based, encrypted disk with a few partitions on it since
more than a year, which used to work just fine. But with the snapshot
from April 14 and also with the latest snapshot from April 21 I can
only mount one partition at a time now. Do I do something wrong, or is
this a bug? Or is this an expected result of the recent vnd/svnd
changes and I need to change the way I use vnd/svnd?
Thank you for your help! Details below.
Please report to bugs. Not all developers read misc.
-Otto
Tas.
I use /dev/wd0l on the physical harddisk as storage space. To open the
encrypted volume, I copy and paste all the commands from a text file.
I open the volume with (with the correct /tmp/foo file in place):
vnconfig -c -K 9 -S /tmp/foo svnd3 /dev/wd0l
snvd3 looks like this:
# fdisk svnd3
Disk: svnd3 geometry: 1230051/1/100 [123005169 Sectors]
Offset: 0 Signature: 0xAA55
Starting Ending LBA Info:
#: id C H S - C H S [ start:size ]
---
0: 00 0 0 0 - 0 0 0 [ 0: 0 ] unused
1: 00 0 0 0 - 0 0 0 [ 0: 0 ] unused
2: 00 0 0 0 - 0 0 0 [ 0: 0 ] unused
*3: A6 1 0 1 - 1230050 0 100 [ 100: 123005000 ]
OpenBSD
# disklabel svnd3
# /dev/rsvnd3c:
type: vnd
disk: vnd device
label: fictitious
duid: 79c8276b51852fc4
flags:
bytes/sector: 512
sectors/track: 100
tracks/cylinder: 1
sectors/cylinder: 100
cylinders: 335543
total sectors: 123005169
boundstart: 100
boundend: 123005100
drivedata: 0
16 partitions:
#size offset fstype [fsize bsize cpg]
a: 9586800 100 4.2BSD 2048 163841
c:1230051690 unused
d: 9586800 9586900 4.2BSD 2048 163841
e:103831400 19173700 4.2BSD 2048 16384 38128
Partitions are fine:
# fsck /dev/svnd3{a,d,e}
** /dev/rsvnd3a
** File system is clean; not checking
** /dev/rsvnd3d
** File system is clean; not checking
** /dev/rsvnd3e
** File system is clean; not checking
I used to mount all three partitions with:
mount -o nodev,nosuid /dev/svnd3a /data/1
mount -o nodev,nosuid /dev/svnd3d /data/2
mount -o nodev,nosuid /dev/svnd3e /data/3
That worked fine so far and all three partitions got mounted. But now
I can still mount all partitions, but only one at a time. With the
commands from above I get:
# mount -o nodev,nosuid /dev/svnd3a /data/1
# mount -o nodev,nosuid /dev/svnd3d /data/2
mount_ffs: /dev/svnd3d on /data/2: Device busy
# mount -o nodev,nosuid /dev/svnd3e /data/3
mount_ffs: /dev/svnd3e on /data/3: Device busy
Only /data/1 gets mounted. To mount the other ones, I first need to
umount /data/1 now.
# dmesg
OpenBSD 4.9-current (GENERIC.MP) #81: Thu Apr 21 00:10:03 MDT 2011
dera...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC.MP
cpu0: Genuine Intel(R) CPU 1400 @ 1.83GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 1.84 GHz
cpu0:
FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,VMX,EST,TM2,xTPR,PDCM
real mem = 2114367488 (2016MB)
avail mem = 2069610496 (1973MB)
mainbus0 at root
bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 07/29/05, SMBIOS rev. 2.4 @
0xe73f0 (39 entries)
bios0: vendor Apple Computer, Inc. version
MM11.88Z.0055.B08.0610121326 date 10/12/06
bios0: Apple Computer, Inc. Macmini1,1
acpi0 at bios0: rev 2
acpi0: sleep states S0 S3 S4 S5
acpi0: tables DSDT FACP HPET APIC MCFG ASF! SBST ECDT SSDT SSDT SSDT
acpi0: wakeup devices PXS1(S4) PXS2(S4) USB1(S3) USB2(S3) USB3(S3)
USB4(S3) USB7(S3)
acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits
acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318179 Hz
acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat
cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor)
cpu0: apic clock running at 166MHz
cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor)
cpu1: Genuine Intel(R) CPU 1400 @ 1.83GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 1.84 GHz
cpu1:
FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,VMX,EST,TM2,xTPR,PDCM
ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 1 pa 0xfec0, version 20, 24 pins
ioapic0: misconfigured as apic 0, remapped to apid 1
acpimcfg0 at acpi0 addr 0xe000, bus 0-255
acpiec0 at acpi0acpiec _REG failed, broken BIOS
acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0)
acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 1 (RP01)
acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 2 (RP02)
acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 3 (PCIB)
acpicpu0 at acpi0: C2, C1, PSS
acpicpu1 at acpi0: C2, C1, PSS
acpibtn0 at acpi0: PWRB
acpivideo0 at acpi0: GFX0
bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0xe600!
cpu0: Enhanced SpeedStep 1834 MHz: speeds: 1833, 1667, 1500, 1333, 1000 MHz
Re: style(9) question on typedef and struct tag
On 04/22/11 18:44, Marc Espie wrote: On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:39:28PM -0400, Ted Unangst wrote: On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 5:16 AM, Mike Williamsob...@eandem.co.uk wrote: The style(9) man page contains the statement Don't use the same name for a struct tag and a typedef, as this makes the code unusable from C++. My question is how does this make the code unusable from C++? espie@ added this a long time ago, but I can't think of a specific example either. This may be a reference to buggy compilers, as OpenBSD was using gcc 2.7 at the time. If that's the case, it can probably be retired. Yeah, it's probably the case. It's been a very long time. In any case, I still think it's not a good idea to typedef structs, as this tends to obfuscate the structure of the code and lead to stuff that's hard to read and audit. So, I'm perfectly okay with removing the reference to C++. Many thanks. Scrubbing from my brain. Onwards ... -- Mike
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 00:08:47 -0600 Devin Reade g...@gno.org wrote: Benny Lofgren bl-li...@lofgren.biz wrote: The reason for my initial suggestion, which was along the lines Rafal whom you commented also thought, was that a donation *ISN'T A FUCKING OPTION* where I and others live. It is worth value to us. If you're interested, send us an invoice (from either you personally or your corporation or other business entity) in some readily machine readable format (text file, spread sheet, pdf, it doesn't matter) that lists the amount Just to elaborate and add to this suggestion: In a lot (all?) of the European countries are donations by a company NOT tax deductible (as ranted before ;) ) The only possibility for them is to a) sponsor somebody, who then has to advertise etc. for them; there has to be some economic effect that is in relation to the amount b) hire a programmer, with all the legal side effects c) purchase something, but this requires a legally valid invoice according to the local law (e.g. a simple text file may not be valid!) d) donations are only possible to *accredited* organizations, and even then only a fraction can be deducted from taxes Note: I'm not a tax consultant, but I wanted to point out the problems that the finance department has when a company wants to give away money. Imho, as a company you should just buy the existing shop items from a local dealer (= invoice). kind regards, Robert
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
On 23 April 2011 16:08, Devin Reade g...@gno.org wrote: Benny Lofgren bl-li...@lofgren.biz wrote: On 2011-04-21 22.27, P. Pruett wrote: how about donate [snip] The reason for my initial suggestion, which was along the lines Rafal whom you commented also thought, was that a donation *ISN'T A FUCKING OPTION* where I and others live. The other thing is that, based on Theo's 18 April post, funds from donations (or going to the openbsd foundation) don't go into the same bucket as funds from CD sales. If I'm interested in putting my funds into the CD bucket, donations and contributions to the foundation don't get me there. Question, Theo: If I was to say the following, would it work without causing an unacceptable amount of work? My company wants to pay you to develop or fix feature (where feature is already on the short list of what is planned for the next release). It is worth value to us. B If you're interested, send us an invoice (from either you personally or your corporation or other business entity) in some readily machine readable format (text file, spread sheet, pdf, it doesn't matter) that lists the amount and the feature. We'll send you the check immediately, and consider the deliverable complete when the *initial* version is committed. That deliverable is intented to be unobtrusive. B It doesn't say that it *must* be in the next release. B It also doesn't imply any sort of user acceptance test or support requirement. It allows for the possibility for you to pass the funds along and have another developer implement it. B It is similar to other open source projects where a company might put up a bounty to have a certain feature implemented (other than in those cases, it is open to whomever grabs it first). I have a different suggestion, which is simpler and would work for the corporate that I work for. Is it possible that the invoice gernerated by the sale of goodies from the website could be simplified and generic? I can get budget for a bunch of items from the store each release time, but it isn't possible to justify more than one cd set, and totally impossible to convince the CFO to spring for posters or shirts. But if the invoice simply said something like OpenBSD Goods and Services: $283.77, it would be paid without question. And then I could get whatever CD sets, books, posters or donations I planned when I got them to set the cash aside in the annual budget. And... I guess it would be some work, but shouldn't be much. And for the guys that still want to get the detailed and itemised invoice, then a simple tick box to select the preferred invoice woud be pretty simple. More work still, but again not much. I'd be *very* happy to volunteer to do said work if it was something people didn't think was stupid.
Cannot mount FreeBSD partition except first slice / mountpoint
On OpenBSD 4.9 AMD64 snapshot, --- # disklabel /dev/sd1c sd1 is a disk created in FreeBSD 8.1 ... 16 partitions: #size offset fstype [fsize bsize cpg] c: 17200996320 unused i: 1720095328 32 unknown --- # mount_ffs /dev/sd1i /mnt # df . /dev/sd1i 101526054819238584859%/mnt --- # ls /mnt .cshrcCOPYRIGHT cdrom dist lib mnt root tmp .profile bin compatetc libexec proc sbin usr .snap boot dev home media rescuesys var empty in /mnt/var/ and /mnt/home ,but there should be a lot of files there. # less /mnt/etc/fstab # DeviceMountpoint FStype Options DumpPass# /dev/da1s1b noneswapsw 0 0 /dev/da1s1a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/da1s1h /home ufs rw 2 2 /dev/da1s1e /tmpufs rw 2 2 /dev/da1s1f /usrufs rw 2 2 /dev/da1s1g /usr/local/www ufs rw 2 2 /dev/da1s1d /varufs rw 2 2 /dev/acd0 /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 How Could I mount and use other partition created on FreeBSD 8.1 ? like /home and /usr/local/www Now it seems we can only access the first slice partition created on FreeBSD.
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 20:24:13 +1000 nuffnough wrote: but it isn't possible to justify more than one cd set, and totally impossible to convince the CFO to spring for posters or shirts. Have you tried a letter to your MD explaining the situation and asking for special instructions to your CFO and explaining what OpenBSD does for him and that other companies are doing similar to get an even higher return on investment and make your employees investment of time more effective etc.. Better to keep it above board than have questions asked if the company starts looking for ways to cut costs. p.s. writing the letter in your own time and making that clear may be more effective.
hi / installer / sound SPDIF
Dear misc readers, First of all i'm glad to have just switched to OpenBSD as my primary desktop OS and would like to thank all the developers involved! :) After many years of fussing with linux, OpenBSD is like a breath of fresh air. For completeness, i'll quickly mention some minor issues i had with the installer: * The installation went ok, booting the floppy49.fs image from a USB stick. * I had to unplug my usb mouse, because device detection went into an endless loop, spamming the console with messages (it's a logitech G500). * I couldn't use DHCP from the installer. something about /sbin/dhcpd not available. No problem here, but maybe this could somehow fit into the floppy image. then culture shock set in, getting used to the new platform ;) bodie in IRC kindly pointed me to the cwm and scrotwm window managers in base, and gave me a link to configure cwm (http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=articlesid=20090502141551). sofar i've been impressed with cwm. i'm trying to get sound working now. i like high definition sound. sofar been using a M-Audio Revolution 7.1 under linux for SPDIF output. under OpenBSD the sound however is horribly distorted (with analog out, SPDIF isn't supported according to envy(4)). i'm assuming it's a driver issue and am wondering if this card is even supported. below is the relevant dmesg, pcidump etc output. i've tried playing WAV and FLAC files, but it sounds really distorted, almost speaker damaging. i tried aucat, VLC, mplayer and MPD with aucat -r 44100 -l running in the background. in case the card isn't supported, which soundcard (PCI, USB or Firewire) can be recommended for Bitperfect SPDIF output? the cmpci(4) is found a cheap soundcards and looks like the ideal solution, but is it Bitperfect? [1]. don't want to spend a fortune to get this working. cheers long live openbsd! David [1] regarding Bitperfectness and the corresponding C-Media 8738/8768 based soundcards, this page explains it well: http://code.google.com/p/cmediadrivers/wiki/Bitperfect # dmesg | grep -i envy - envy0 at pci3 dev 0 function 0 IC Ensemble Envy24PT/HT Audio rev 0x01: apic 2 int 20 (irq 7) envy0: unknown 1724-based card, 2 inputs, 8 outputs audio0 at envy0 # mixerctl - outputs.line0_source=play0 outputs.line1_source=play1 outputs.line2_source=play2 outputs.line3_source=play3 outputs.line4_source=play4 outputs.line5_source=play5 outputs.line6_source=play6 outputs.line7_source=play7 # audioctl - name=Envy24HT version=- config=unknown 1724-ba encodings=slinear_le:24:4:1 properties=full_duplex,independent full_duplex=1 fullduplex=1 blocksize=32768 hiwat=2 lowat=1 output_muted=0 monitor_gain=0 mode=play,record play.rate=44100 play.sample_rate=44100 play.channels=8 play.precision=24 play.bps=4 play.msb=1 play.encoding=slinear_le play.gain=127 play.balance=32 play.port=0x0 play.avail_ports=0x0 play.seek=0 play.samples=0 play.eof=0 play.pause=1 play.error=0 play.waiting=0 play.open=1 play.active=0 play.buffer_size=65536 play.block_size=32768 play.errors=0 record.rate=44100 record.sample_rate=44100 record.channels=2 record.precision=24 record.bps=4 record.msb=1 record.encoding=slinear_le record.gain=127 record.balance=32 record.port=0x0 record.avail_ports=0x0 record.seek=0 record.samples=0 record.eof=0 record.pause=1 record.error=0 record.waiting=0 record.open=1 record.active=0 record.buffer_size=65536 record.block_size=8192 record.errors=0 # dmesg - OpenBSD 4.9-current (GENERIC.MP) #73: Tue Apr 19 20:05:09 MDT 2011 dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP real mem = 3211722752 (3062MB) avail mem = 3112181760 (2968MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.3 @ 0xf0100 (37 entries) bios0: vendor Award Software International, Inc. version F2 date 08/11/2006 bios0: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. 8I945GMMFY-RH acpi0 at bios0: rev 0 acpi0: sleep states S0 S3 S4 S5 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP MCFG APIC SSDT SSDT acpi0: wakeup devices PEX0(S5) PEX1(S5) PEX2(S5) PEX3(S5) PEX4(S5) PEX5(S5) HUB0(S5) USB0(S3) USB1(S3) USB2(S3) USB3(S3) USBE(S3) AZAL(S5) PCI0(S5) acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits acpimcfg0 at acpi0 addr 0xf000, bus 0-63 acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5600 @ 1.83GHz, 1829.01 MHz cpu0: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,NXE,LONG cpu0: 2MB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache cpu0: apic clock running at 166MHz cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor) cpu1: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5600 @ 1.83GHz, 1828.75 MHz cpu1:
Sierra Wireless USB 305 (patch)
I was recently sent an ATT USBConnect Lightning which is an ATT
branded Sierra Wireless AirCard USB 305 3G wireless modem. I
live in a rural area and this is my primary connection to the
Internet via ppp.
According to the website, the device seems to be using an ICERA
Livanto ICE8040 chipset.
http://www.sierrawireless.com/productsandservices/AirCard/USBModems/aircard_usb305.aspx
The following patch against -current adds support for the device. My
dmesg is after the patch.
Index: umsm.c
===
RCS file: /cvs/src/sys/dev/usb/umsm.c,v
retrieving revision 1.73
diff -u -r1.73 umsm.c
--- umsm.c 19 Mar 2011 09:16:28 - 1.73
+++ umsm.c 23 Apr 2011 14:48:34 -
@@ -227,6 +227,7 @@
{{ USB_VENDOR_SIERRA, USB_PRODUCT_SIERRA_AC881U }, 0},
{{ USB_VENDOR_SIERRA, USB_PRODUCT_SIERRA_AC885U }, 0},
{{ USB_VENDOR_SIERRA, USB_PRODUCT_SIERRA_C01SW }, 0},
+ {{ USB_VENDOR_SIERRA, USB_PRODUCT_SIERRA_USB305}, 0},
{{ USB_VENDOR_SIERRA, USB_PRODUCT_SIERRA_TRUINSTALL }, DEV_TRUINSTALL},
{{ USB_VENDOR_TCTMOBILE, USB_PRODUCT_TCTMOBILE_UMASS }, DEV_UMASS3},
Index: usbdevs
===
RCS file: /cvs/src/sys/dev/usb/usbdevs,v
retrieving revision 1.543
diff -u -r1.543 usbdevs
--- usbdevs 19 Mar 2011 09:12:03 - 1.543
+++ usbdevs 23 Apr 2011 14:48:44 -
@@ -3420,6 +3420,7 @@
product SIERRA AC881U 0x6856 881U
product SIERRA AC885U 0x6880 885U
product SIERRA C01SW 0x6890 C01SW
+product SIERRA USB305 0x68a3 USB305
/* Sigmatel products */
product SIGMATEL IRDA 0x4200 IrDA
Index: usbdevs.h
===
RCS file: /cvs/src/sys/dev/usb/usbdevs.h,v
retrieving revision 1.553
diff -u -r1.553 usbdevs.h
--- usbdevs.h 19 Mar 2011 09:13:55 - 1.553
+++ usbdevs.h 23 Apr 2011 14:48:49 -
@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
-/* $OpenBSD: usbdevs.h,v 1.553 2011/03/19 09:13:55 dcoppa Exp $*/
+/* $OpenBSD$ */
/*
* THIS FILE IS AUTOMATICALLY GENERATED. DO NOT EDIT.
@@ -3427,6 +3427,7 @@
#defineUSB_PRODUCT_SIERRA_AC881U 0x6856 /* 881U */
#defineUSB_PRODUCT_SIERRA_AC885U 0x6880 /* 885U */
#defineUSB_PRODUCT_SIERRA_C01SW0x6890 /* C01SW */
+#defineUSB_PRODUCT_SIERRA_USB305 0x68a3 /* USB305 */
/* Sigmatel products */
#defineUSB_PRODUCT_SIGMATEL_IRDA 0x4200 /* IrDA */
Index: usbdevs_data.h
===
RCS file: /cvs/src/sys/dev/usb/usbdevs_data.h,v
retrieving revision 1.547
diff -u -r1.547 usbdevs_data.h
--- usbdevs_data.h 19 Mar 2011 09:13:55 - 1.547
+++ usbdevs_data.h 23 Apr 2011 14:48:51 -
@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
-/* $OpenBSD: usbdevs_data.h,v 1.547 2011/03/19 09:13:55 dcoppa Exp $
*/
+/* $OpenBSD$ */
/*
* THIS FILE IS AUTOMATICALLY GENERATED. DO NOT EDIT.
@@ -8508,6 +8508,10 @@
{
USB_VENDOR_SIERRA, USB_PRODUCT_SIERRA_C01SW,
C01SW,
+ },
+ {
+ USB_VENDOR_SIERRA, USB_PRODUCT_SIERRA_USB305,
+ USB305,
},
{
USB_VENDOR_SIGMATEL, USB_PRODUCT_SIGMATEL_IRDA,
OpenBSD 4.9-current (GENERIC.MP) #16: Sat Apr 23 09:06:40 MDT 2011
r...@urban.teuton.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC.MP
cpu0: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N450 @ 1.66GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 1.67 GHz
cpu0:
FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,MOVBE
real mem = 1062621184 (1013MB)
avail mem = 1035071488 (987MB)
mainbus0 at root
bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 11/20/09, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfdc60, SMBIOS
rev. 2.5 @ 0xdc010 (21 entries)
bios0: vendor TOSHIBA version V1.10 date 11/20/2009
bios0: TOSHIBA TOSHIBA NB305
acpi0 at bios0: rev 2
acpi0: sleep states S0 S3 S4 S5
acpi0: tables DSDT FACP TCPA HPET MCFG SLIC APIC BOOT SSDT SSDT SSDT
acpi0: wakeup devices EXP1(S4) EXP2(S4) PXS3(S4) EXP4(S4) PCIB(S3) USB1(S3)
USB2(S0) USB3(S3) USB4(S0) EUSB(S3)
acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits
acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318179 Hz
acpimcfg0 at acpi0 addr 0xe000, bus 0-255
acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat
cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor)
cpu0: apic clock running at 166MHz
cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor)
cpu1: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N450 @ 1.66GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 1.67 GHz
cpu1:
FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,MOVBE
ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 2 pa 0xfec0, version 20, 24 pins
acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0)
acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 5 (EXP1)
acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 7 (EXP2)
Re: problem mounting svnd-based disk
2011/4/23 Otto Moerbeek o...@drijf.net: On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 04:14:11PM +0200, Tasmanian Devil wrote: Hello, misc! I use a svnd-based, encrypted disk with a few partitions on it since more than a year, which used to work just fine. But with the snapshot from April 14 and also with the latest snapshot from April 21 I can only mount one partition at a time now. Do I do something wrong, or is this a bug? Or is this an expected result of the recent vnd/svnd changes and I need to change the way I use vnd/svnd? Thank you for your help! Details below. Please report to bugs. Not all developers read misc. -Otto Done. Thank you! Tas.
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Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 12:08:47AM -0600, Devin Reade wrote: Benny Lofgren bl-li...@lofgren.biz wrote: If I was to say the following, would it work without causing an unacceptable amount of work? My company wants to pay you to develop or fix feature (where feature is already on the short list of what is planned for the next release). It is worth value to us. If you're interested, send us an invoice (from either you personally or your corporation or other business entity) in some readily machine readable format (text file, spread sheet, pdf, it doesn't matter) that lists the amount and the feature. We'll send you the check immediately, and consider the deliverable complete when the *initial* version is committed. That deliverable is intented to be unobtrusive. It doesn't say that it *must* be in the next release. It also doesn't imply any sort of user acceptance test or support requirement. It allows for the possibility for you to pass the funds along and have another developer implement it. It is similar to other open source projects where a company might put up a bounty to have a certain feature implemented (other than in those cases, it is open to whomever grabs it first). Maybe I don't understand this question because I'm just a hobbyist user and not an employee whose company uses OBSD, so forgive me if I've misunderstood your intent. But isn't it an order of magnitude simply to follow the suggestion Marco/Benny put forth and purchase a bunch of CDs and make a note to ship only one (thus eliminating the waste of resources)? I think it's been stated amply that THESE GUYS DONT WANT TO BE BOTHERED with stuff that takes them away from writing code. -Scott
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
On 23/04/11 19:19, Scott Stanley wrote: On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 12:08:47AM -0600, Devin Reade wrote: Benny Lofgrenbl-li...@lofgren.biz wrote: If I was to say the following, would it work without causing an unacceptable amount of work? My company wants to pay you to develop or fixfeature (wherefeature is already on the short list of what is planned for the next release). It is worthvalue to us. If you're interested, send us an invoice (from either you personally or your corporation or other business entity) in some readily machine readable format (text file, spread sheet, pdf, it doesn't matter) that lists the amount and the feature. We'll send you the check immediately, and consider the deliverable complete when the *initial* version is committed. That deliverable is intented to be unobtrusive. It doesn't say that it *must* be in the next release. It also doesn't imply any sort of user acceptance test or support requirement. It allows for the possibility for you to pass the funds along and have another developer implement it. It is similar to other open source projects where a company might put up a bounty to have a certain feature implemented (other than in those cases, it is open to whomever grabs it first). Maybe I don't understand this question because I'm just a hobbyist user and not an employee whose company uses OBSD, so forgive me if I've misunderstood your intent. But isn't it an order of magnitude simply to follow the suggestion Marco/Benny put forth and purchase a bunch of CDs and make a note to ship only one (thus eliminating the waste of resources)? I think it's been stated amply that THESE GUYS DONT WANT TO BE BOTHERED with stuff that takes them away from writing code. -Scott Apparently the OP wants to get his job as well funding the project. I would suggest his company to hire a programmer/developer to commit to the project. Giannis
Re: Sierra Wireless USB 305 (patch)
On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Erik Mugele e...@teuton.org wrote:
I was recently sent an ATT USBConnect Lightning which is an ATT
branded Sierra Wireless AirCard USB 305 3G wireless modem. I
live in a rural area and this is my primary connection to the
Internet via ppp.
According to the website, the device seems to be using an ICERA
Livanto ICE8040 chipset.
http://www.sierrawireless.com/productsandservices/AirCard/USBModems/aircard_u
sb305.aspx
The following patch against -current adds support for the device. My
dmesg is after the patch.
Index: umsm.c
===
RCS file: /cvs/src/sys/dev/usb/umsm.c,v
retrieving revision 1.73
diff -u -r1.73 umsm.c
--- umsm.c 19 Mar 2011 09:16:28 - 1.73
+++ umsm.c 23 Apr 2011 14:48:34 -
@@ -227,6 +227,7 @@
{{ USB_VENDOR_SIERRA, USB_PRODUCT_SIERRA_AC881U }, 0},
{{ USB_VENDOR_SIERRA, USB_PRODUCT_SIERRA_AC885U }, 0},
{{ USB_VENDOR_SIERRA, USB_PRODUCT_SIERRA_C01SW }, 0},
+ {{ USB_VENDOR_SIERRA, USB_PRODUCT_SIERRA_USB305}, 0},
{{ USB_VENDOR_SIERRA, USB_PRODUCT_SIERRA_TRUINSTALL },
DEV_TRUINSTALL},
{{ USB_VENDOR_TCTMOBILE, USB_PRODUCT_TCTMOBILE_UMASS }, DEV_UMASS3},
Index: usbdevs
===
RCS file: /cvs/src/sys/dev/usb/usbdevs,v
retrieving revision 1.543
diff -u -r1.543 usbdevs
--- usbdevs 19 Mar 2011 09:12:03 - 1.543
+++ usbdevs 23 Apr 2011 14:48:44 -
@@ -3420,6 +3420,7 @@
product SIERRA AC881U 0x6856 881U
product SIERRA AC885U 0x6880 885U
product SIERRA C01SW 0x6890 C01SW
+product SIERRA USB305 0x68a3 USB305
/* Sigmatel products */
product SIGMATEL IRDA 0x4200 IrDA
Index: usbdevs.h
===
RCS file: /cvs/src/sys/dev/usb/usbdevs.h,v
retrieving revision 1.553
diff -u -r1.553 usbdevs.h
--- usbdevs.h 19 Mar 2011 09:13:55 - 1.553
+++ usbdevs.h 23 Apr 2011 14:48:49 -
@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
-/* $OpenBSD: usbdevs.h,v 1.553 2011/03/19 09:13:55 dcoppa Exp $*/
+/* $OpenBSD$ */
/*
* THIS FILE IS AUTOMATICALLY GENERATED. DO NOT EDIT.
@@ -3427,6 +3427,7 @@
#defineUSB_PRODUCT_SIERRA_AC881U 0x6856 /* 881U */
#defineUSB_PRODUCT_SIERRA_AC885U 0x6880 /* 885U */
#defineUSB_PRODUCT_SIERRA_C01SW0x6890 /* C01SW */
+#defineUSB_PRODUCT_SIERRA_USB305 0x68a3 /* USB305
*/
/* Sigmatel products */
#defineUSB_PRODUCT_SIGMATEL_IRDA 0x4200 /* IrDA */
Index: usbdevs_data.h
===
RCS file: /cvs/src/sys/dev/usb/usbdevs_data.h,v
retrieving revision 1.547
diff -u -r1.547 usbdevs_data.h
--- usbdevs_data.h 19 Mar 2011 09:13:55 - 1.547
+++ usbdevs_data.h 23 Apr 2011 14:48:51 -
@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
-/* $OpenBSD: usbdevs_data.h,v 1.547 2011/03/19 09:13:55 dcoppa Exp $
*/
+/* $OpenBSD$ */
/*
* THIS FILE IS AUTOMATICALLY GENERATED. DO NOT EDIT.
@@ -8508,6 +8508,10 @@
{
USB_VENDOR_SIERRA, USB_PRODUCT_SIERRA_C01SW,
C01SW,
+ },
+ {
+ USB_VENDOR_SIERRA, USB_PRODUCT_SIERRA_USB305,
+ USB305,
},
{
USB_VENDOR_SIGMATEL, USB_PRODUCT_SIGMATEL_IRDA,
OpenBSD 4.9-current (GENERIC.MP) #16: Sat Apr 23 09:06:40 MDT 2011
r...@urban.teuton.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC.MP
cpu0: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N450 @ 1.66GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 1.67
GHz
cpu0:
FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,CFLUSH,DS,A
CPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR
,PDCM,MOVBE
real mem = 1062621184 (1013MB)
avail mem = 1035071488 (987MB)
mainbus0 at root
bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 11/20/09, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfdc60,
SMBIOS rev. 2.5 @ 0xdc010 (21 entries)
bios0: vendor TOSHIBA version V1.10 date 11/20/2009
bios0: TOSHIBA TOSHIBA NB305
acpi0 at bios0: rev 2
acpi0: sleep states S0 S3 S4 S5
acpi0: tables DSDT FACP TCPA HPET MCFG SLIC APIC BOOT SSDT SSDT SSDT
acpi0: wakeup devices EXP1(S4) EXP2(S4) PXS3(S4) EXP4(S4) PCIB(S3) USB1(S3)
USB2(S0) USB3(S3) USB4(S0) EUSB(S3)
acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits
acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318179 Hz
acpimcfg0 at acpi0 addr 0xe000, bus 0-255
acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat
cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor)
cpu0: apic clock running at 166MHz
cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor)
cpu1: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N450 @ 1.66GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 1.67
GHz
cpu1:
FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,CFLUSH,DS,A
CPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR
,PDCM,MOVBE
ioapic0
Avoiding duplicate syslog messages
Say you have some number of syslog messages directed to the console: auth,authpriv,daemon,kern,user,local0.* /dev/console Now we want local0 messages that come from myapp to also be sent to anyone who's logged into the system: !myapp local0.** For the purposes of this discussion, these two sections may be considered the entirety of the (current) syslog.conf file in the order presented. Is there a way to formulate syslog.conf so that if someone is using the console, only a single stream of messages from myapp is displayed? FWIW, we don't care about local0 messages from anything other than myapp. Thanks, Mike -- | Manager for Networking, Admin. Michael T. Davis (Mike) | Research Computing: CBE/MSE http://www.ecr6.ohio-state.edu/~davism/ | The Ohio State University | 197 Watts, (614) 292-6928 ** E-mail is the best way to contact me **
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
Kapetanakis Giannis bil...@edu.physics.uoc.gr wrote: On 23/04/11 19:19, Scott Stanley wrote: But isn't it an order of magnitude [simpler] to follow the suggestion Marco/Benny put forth and purchase a bunch of CDs and make a note to ship only one (thus eliminating the waste of resources)? What I haven't heard from the developers is, does the don't ship them aspect cause (tax/accounting/other) problems for either the project or the CD reseller? Apparently the OP wants to get his job as well funding the project. If you're referring to me, and if you meant trying to keep his job as well as funding ..., then hardly. I'm an independent consultant and consequently am both the CEO and only employee of my corporation. Any such contribution ultimately comes out of my own pocket, and doesn't contribute to me keeping my job. I don't have the cycles available to assist in OpenBSD development, and don't have the funds or inclination to hire an *employee* to do such work. I *was* saying that I'd consider paying the project for a specific feature, just as I may pay other professionals for a small chunk of their time for other projects (which would typically be fixed cost or time materials). (If I misinterpreted your comment, ignore the diatribe.) I was originally considering a donation to the foundation until the dual funding model was pointed out, and was suggesting an alternative that I was hoping would not be too onerous. If the buy 10 CDs, ship 1 model actually works for the developers, then yes it's an option. But I haven't actually heard a confirmation that it works. Devin -- It is far, far better to have a bastard in the family than an unemployed son-in-law. - Robert Heinlein
Re: Avoiding duplicate syslog messages
On 2011-04-23, Michael T. Davis dav...@ecr6.ohio-state.edu wrote: Say you have some number of syslog messages directed to the console: auth,authpriv,daemon,kern,user,local0.* /dev/console Now we want local0 messages that come from myapp to also be sent to anyone who's logged into the system: !myapp local0.* * For the purposes of this discussion, these two sections may be considered the entirety of the (current) syslog.conf file in the order presented. Is there a way to formulate syslog.conf so that if someone is using the console, only a single stream of messages from myapp is displayed? FWIW, we don't care about local0 messages from anything other than myapp. Thanks, Mike !!myapp *.* * !* auth,authpriv,daemon,kern,user,local0.* /dev/console This is sort-of in the manpage but IMO the phrase cancelling the effect of a !prog or !!prog is not exactly crystal-clear when it comes to !!, it might be better replaced with something like ending a !prog or !!prog block. Though I know opinions vary on this :)
Re: any working example of IPv6 /etc/hostname.carpXXX ?
On 2011-04-21, ??? chipits...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Sirs, I need to configure ipv6 over carp interface. It seems that carp doesn't like things in one line ifconfig carp470 vhid 70 pass xxx carpdev vlan470 advskew 20 inet6 2a00:1a70:80:470::2 prefixlen 128 it says something wrong about ipv6. don't have any idea why. so, one-line config for hostname.carpXXX will not work. if I do two ifconfigs: ifconfig carp470 vhid 70 pass xxx carpdev vlan470 advskew 20 ifconfig carp470 inet6 2a00:1a70:80:470::2 prefixlen 128 everthing seems to be ok. Not really, it just sits in init unless you also configure a (possibly dummy) ipv4 address. but if I put stuff to hostname.carpXXX r1n0:/root# cat /etc/hostname.carp470 vhid 70 pass xxx carpdev vlan470 advskew 20 inet6 2a00:1a70:80:470::2 prefixlen 128 up bad syntax, should be inet6 2a00:1a70:80:470::2 128 see hostname.if(5). Same problem with needed a (possibly dummy) ipv4 address. It certainly works fine with a v4 address in there.
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 2:08 AM, Devin Reade g...@gno.org wrote: That deliverable is intented to be unobtrusive. It doesn't say that it *must* be in the next release. It also doesn't imply any sort of user acceptance test or support requirement. It allows * THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED AS IS AND THE AUTHOR DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES * WITH REGARD TO THIS SOFTWARE INCLUDING ALL IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF * MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS. It is much harder to claim that there is no implied warranty (even with a piece of paper saying so) when you have money changing hands as part of a this for that transaction. Instead of trying to cheat the tax laws, now you are trying to cheat the consumer protection laws. The reason such laws exist, of course, is to prevent buyers from agreeing to exactly the terms you are proposing.
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
The other thing is that, based on Theo's 18 April post, funds from donations (or going to the openbsd foundation) don't go into the same bucket as funds from CD sales. That is correct. There are a few different buckets, and they are spent in different ways for a variety of very good reasons. If I'm interested in putting my funds into the CD bucket, donations and contributions to the foundation don't get me there. That is correct, we do not mix the buckets. Question, Theo: If I was to say the following, would it work without causing an unacceptable amount of work? My company wants to pay you to develop or fix feature (where feature is already on the short list of what is planned for the next release). It is worth value to us. If you're interested, send us an invoice (from either you personally or your corporation or other business entity) in some readily machine readable format (text file, spread sheet, pdf, it doesn't matter) that lists the amount and the feature. We'll send you the check immediately, and consider the deliverable complete when the *initial* version is committed. There are developers in the project who are probably interested in work-for-hire. I, personally, cannot do that. I will not be a party to business. I am involved in the core project too much, and I make decisions related to donation funds. Therefore, I will not invoice. I also don't know of a company who wants to represent us and handle such transactions. However, did you know that some initial versions of some rather big plans have already been commited to the tree in the last few days (or the last few months, or the last few years) which would meet your terms. But I don't know where companies would pay for completion, and later have it benefit the project as a whole. Personally, I cannot be party to such a business transaction. Perhaps someone else can offer their services, but it won't be me. That deliverable is intented to be unobtrusive. It doesn't say that it *must* be in the next release. It also doesn't imply any sort of user acceptance test or support requirement. It allows for the possibility for you to pass the funds along and have another developer implement it. It is similar to other open source projects where a company might put up a bounty to have a certain feature implemented (other than in those cases, it is open to whomever grabs it first). You can minimize the terms all you want, but you are still asking developers in our group to make promises and then to organize into a business model. You are asking us to do more. I think I do more than enough and don't need to make promises to outsiders just to keep this project alive. I bet all the developers feel the same way. Is writing and giving code away not enough? Do we have to sell our souls as well? I will not setup conduits to save the project. Perhaps we must survive based on value. If we don't I suspect we won't be the only ones losing. So, does that take too much time away from development, or is for some other reason (tax, etc) unworkable? Certainly, it would take time away from development. Everything takes time away from development -- even replying to this mail. A possible valid response is, we don't care that it's going into the donation fund bucket rather than the CD fund bucket. A simple yes or no also suffices; a long explanation either way is not required. All the buckets can use money. The donation bucket tends to fund the hackathons -- those are primarily funded by the various donations schemes. The non-donation bucket tends to fund things which *cannot* be done out of donations, ie. keeping me in a job, real in-Canada operating expenses (electricity), my travel to hackathons (not out of donations), etc. With all these costs considered, that bucket also has to ensure that the whole operation of making and selling CD's and tshirts does not go into the red. If either bucket runs dry you'll be running another operating system about a year later. Currently, the non-donation bucket is suffering a whole lot more.
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
If the buy 10 CDs, ship 1 model actually works for the developers, then yes it's an option. But I haven't actually heard a confirmation that it works. It works fine for us. There are a few orders like this every release. If this helps people cope with the need an invoice problem until we find a better way, please do it.
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
I would suggest his company to hire a programmer/developer to commit to the project. I know developers who would be very happy to get contract work regarding specific ideas and current work they are already involved in (which will have a big impact on OpenBSD performance and functionality). Such contracts would put money into their pockets. It would also get the developer's pre-defined task done. I think I can speak for almost all of those people when I say they would rather just get paid to do the things they already have planned. Trust them; don't lay down a set of instructions. That match won't work. If those rules are played I will (for free, until it becomes too annoying :) hook up developers with those who want to fund them. Maybe upon completion such a developers might suddenly want to buy 50+ CDs with a part of their income (and then give instruction to only ship 1). It would work. It is crazy, of course.
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
Maybe I don't understand this question because I'm just a hobbyist user and not an employee whose company uses OBSD, so forgive me if I've misunderstood your intent. But isn't it an order of magnitude simply to follow the suggestion Marco/Benny put forth and purchase a bunch of CDs and make a note to ship only one (thus eliminating the waste of resources)? I think it's been stated amply that THESE GUYS DONT WANT TO BE BOTHERED with stuff that takes them away from writing code. And the CDs which are not shipped can be sold to someone else.
Fallback ruleset loaded at boot time
Hi guys I'm wondering why the rc script is loading the fallback ruleset instead of mine. I'd set the ruleset as usual at /etc/pf.conf but OpenBSD seems to be loading the fallback for some reason. Everything looks good. # grep ^pf /etc/rc* /etc/rc.conf:pf=YES # Packet filter / NAT /etc/rc.conf:pf_rules=/etc/pf.conf # Packet filter rules file /etc/rc.conf:pflogd_flags= # add more flags, e.g. -s 256 Permisiones ls -l /etc/pf.conf -rw--- 1 root wheel 6517 Apr 25 21:39 /etc/pf.conf pfctl -nf /etc/pf.conf it's OK And if i manually load it with pfctl -f /etc/pf.conf all is going as expected Well i'd left my pf.conf file attached if you want to take a look, using OpenBSD 4.8 Release Cheers -- [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of pf.conf]
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: I think I do more than enough and don't need to make promises to outsiders just to keep this project alive. I bet all the developers feel the same way. Fair enough. Ignoring my particular case for the moment, I was trying to generalize the suggestion with the thought that most corporate sponsers would need at least a rudimentary, this is why we're spending the money, and that is how we know when we're done statement in their records. Not for you, but for themselves. As far as promises to outsiders is concerned, I hadn't intended that as any more than, when feature, which we were planning on doing anyway, is ready, I will promise to commit it. That they would have committed it anyway is IMO irrelevent. Do we have to sell our souls as well? Of course not. However I was under the impression that there was instances of funding in the past (DARPA? [at the risk of stirring up bad blood]), and thus figured that it was worth it to ask the question. I can't know in advance where in the spectrum someone sits between M$ and Stallman and what constitutes selling of one's soul, but thought my suggestion was a variation that hadn't been discussed (or at least not recently). That the answer (for Theo at least) is no is fine, and I can respect the reasons. The discussion has given me (and perhaps others) at least a couple of options for CD bucket contributions, and thanks for taking the time to clarify things. I'll start with ammending my outstanding CD order accordingly. Devin
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
I think I do more than enough and don't need to make promises to outsiders just to keep this project alive. I bet all the developers feel the same way. Fair enough. Ignoring my particular case for the moment, I was trying to generalize the suggestion with the thought that most corporate sponsers would need at least a rudimentary, this is why we're spending the money, and that is how we know when we're done statement in their records. Not for you, but for themselves. As far as promises to outsiders is concerned, I hadn't intended that as any more than, when feature, which we were planning on doing anyway, is ready, I will promise to commit it. That they would have committed it anyway is IMO irrelevent. I know of work in various part of the tree that could do with funding. All of them will make OpenBSD run substantially faster. Features come with those, but speed is the essential benefit. So if anyone is truly interested contact me, and I will get you talking to the right people for specific tasks. The only thing I will do is make sure that noone's time is being wasted. However I was under the impression that there was instances of funding in the past (DARPA? [at the risk of stirring up bad blood]), Interesting you would bring that up. Under the DARPA grant (note the word) they gave us absolutely no rules or restrictions. We did not signed any paperwork regarding the tasks ahead of us (actually, I think I never signed anything at all :). We were funded, which released us from other worries, and then we performed the magic we were planning to do anyways. That the answer (for Theo at least) is no is fine, and I can respect the reasons. The discussion has given me (and perhaps others) at least a couple of options for CD bucket contributions, and thanks for taking the time to clarify things. I'll start with ammending my outstanding CD order accordingly. Kind of scary how the simplest approaches are... the simplest.
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
This is simple, you are openbsd you are openbsd live;and love this live --Original Message-- From: Theo de Raadt Sender: owner-m...@openbsd.org To: Kapetanakis Giannis Cc: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :) Sent: Apr 23, 2011 8:27 PM I would suggest his company to hire a programmer/developer to commit to the project. I know developers who would be very happy to get contract work regarding specific ideas and current work they are already involved in (which will have a big impact on OpenBSD performance and functionality). Such contracts would put money into their pockets. It would also get the developer's pre-defined task done. I think I can speak for almost all of those people when I say they would rather just get paid to do the things they already have planned. Trust them; don't lay down a set of instructions. That match won't work. If those rules are played I will (for free, until it becomes too annoying :) hook up developers with those who want to fund them. Maybe upon completion such a developers might suddenly want to buy 50+ CDs with a part of their income (and then give instruction to only ship 1). It would work. It is crazy, of course. www.compumundohypermegared.org
