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Has php-fpm been left out of OBSD 5.0 ?
Was planning on setting php-fpm up today on a new OpenBSD 5.0 box but can't find php-fpm. I though it was built in to php from version 5.3.3 onwards but it doesn't seem to be. I am trying to setup a chrooted nginx and running php scripts as the websites user. Keith
Updating plus.html
Hi, If no-one else is updating this page, I will do it. Can someone tell me what date the OPENBSD_5_0 tag was added so I know when to start from? I couldn't figure out if this was possible from cvs. My plan is to go through the source changes and plunder from the commit messages. Brett.
Re: Using TrinityDesktop to replace KDE3
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Vadim Zhukov persg...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all. Someone of you could already know this, but me was just notified: there exists Trinity Desktop - http://www.trinitydesktop.org/ - that aims to keep KDE 3 platform alive. One of the goals they pursue is co-existing with KDE 4. My crazy idea is to port Trinity (those guys migrate to using Qt4 and CMake, which is cool, and to UDev, which is not) and make it replace KDE 3 (which is dead upstream anyway). After this migration to KDE 4 will be seamless (and those who want KDE 3 enchanced could have it too :) ). Is anyone interested? -- WBR, Vadim Zhukov moving this to the misc@ list to get a gauge on people's opinions. Are there many users of KDE on OpenBSD? I thought OpenBSD is mostly GNOME :-) This new fork would be too much work :( Idea is very good, but GNOME in OpenBSD is moving completely to 3.X, why keep a fork of old KDE or old KDE? I agree that there are problems with new KDE but they would be solved in future versions. Opinions?
Re: Updating plus.html
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:42 AM, Brett brett.ma...@gmx.com wrote: Hi, If no-one else is updating this page, I will do it. Can someone tell me what date the OPENBSD_5_0 tag was added so I know when to start from? I couldn't figure out if this was possible from cvs. My plan is to go through the source changes and plunder from the commit messages. Brett. Brett, I offered to do it. But I am contributing to KDE porting and that's taking a lot of time, so if you could do the plus.html, just great! I didn't realize that diffing plus.html would take so much of my time. That's real work. I would say, you follow the github.com/openbsd repo, and do a git log. OpenBSD 5.0 tag was added on August 8th per the latest changelog ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/Changelogs/ChangeLog I have a diff for updating plus50.html but it needs further corrections, right now it takes to 06/20/2011 from 05/15/2011. I will do the diff tomorrow and then I hope you can do the future diffs? You would need to download the www repo and cvs diff -u against plus.html thanks in advance
Re: Using TrinityDesktop to replace KDE3
02.11.2011 15:49, Amit Kulkarni P?P8QP5Q: On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Vadim Zhukovpersg...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all. Someone of you could already know this, but me was just notified: there exists Trinity Desktop - http://www.trinitydesktop.org/ - that aims to keep KDE 3 platform alive. One of the goals they pursue is co-existing with KDE 4. My crazy idea is to port Trinity (those guys migrate to using Qt4 and CMake, which is cool, and to UDev, which is not) and make it replace KDE 3 (which is dead upstream anyway). After this migration to KDE 4 will be seamless (and those who want KDE 3 enchanced could have it too :) ). Is anyone interested? -- WBR, Vadim Zhukov moving this to the misc@ list to get a gauge on people's opinions. Are there many users of KDE on OpenBSD? I thought OpenBSD is mostly GNOME :-) This new fork would be too much work :( Idea is very good, but GNOME in OpenBSD is moving completely to 3.X, why keep a fork of old KDE or old KDE? I agree that there are problems with new KDE but they would be solved in future versions. Opinions? The idea is that migrating from KDE 3 to Trinity will allow to migrate to KDE 4 seamlessly later. At the present time (even when we'll have KDE 4 packages being built officially) you cannot install KDE 3 and KDE 4 together. I suspect that Trinity will be less pain than patching KDE 4 (and KDE 3) to work together. So if anyone has been used Trinity (on any OS), it'll be useful to hear your opinions. -- WBR, Vadim Zhukov
Re: Has php-fpm been left out of OBSD 5.0 ?
* keith ke...@scott-land.net [2011-11-02 12:30]: Was planning on setting php-fpm up today on a new OpenBSD 5.0 box but can't find php-fpm. I though it was built in to php from version 5.3.3 onwards but it doesn't seem to be. I am trying to setup a chrooted nginx and running php scripts as the websites user. it has been enabled just after 5.0 - miss :( -- Henning Brauer, h...@bsws.de, henn...@openbsd.org BS Web Services, http://bsws.de, Full-Service ISP Secure Hosting, Mail and DNS Services. Dedicated Servers, Root to Fully Managed Henning Brauer Consulting, http://henningbrauer.com/
Re: Using TrinityDesktop to replace KDE3
On Wed, 2011-11-02 at 06:49 -0500, Amit Kulkarni wrote: On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Vadim Zhukov persg...@gmail.com wrote: My crazy idea is to port Trinity (those guys migrate to using Qt4 and CMake, which is cool, and to UDev, which is not) and make it replace KDE 3 (which is dead upstream anyway). After this migration to KDE 4 will be seamless (and those who want KDE 3 enchanced could have it too :) ). It seems to me that they deliberately changed the API (renamed every lib function for K* to T*) not to interfere with KDE4. If I get it right, that effectively means that neither KDE3 nor KDE4 apps can't be linked with Trinity libs. So, Trinity does not affect migration to KDE4. BTW, I don't really get the idea of Trinity. KDE4 feature-wise is a superset of KDE3, and as such it can be tuned to mimic KDE3 fairly closely. That said, KDE4 is far ahead of where KDE3 is. Many former KDE3 apps advanced, and this gap will only get larger as time goes. KDE3 is fairly big, so porting it to Qt4 will take long. That means that Trinity isn't going to have a sufficient user base, and as far as it has fairly limited development resources, I doubt that it will ever get to major release. I believe it will halt even before the complete OpenBSD port will be finished. P.S.: I am a GNOME user. -- Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
Re: Updating plus.html
Hey, On Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 06:57:22AM -0500, Amit Kulkarni wrote: On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:42 AM, Brett brett.ma...@gmx.com wrote: Hi, If no-one else is updating this page, I will do it. Can someone tell me what date the OPENBSD_5_0 tag was added so I know when to start from? I couldn't figure out if this was possible from cvs. My plan is to go through the source changes and plunder from the commit messages. Brett. Brett, I offered to do it. But I am contributing to KDE porting and that's taking a lot of time, so if you could do the plus.html, just great! I didn't realize that diffing plus.html would take so much of my time. That's real work. I would say, you follow the github.com/openbsd repo, and do a git log. OpenBSD 5.0 tag was added on August 8th per the latest changelog ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/Changelogs/ChangeLog I have a diff for updating plus50.html but it needs further corrections, right now it takes to 06/20/2011 from 05/15/2011. I will do the diff tomorrow and then I hope you can do the future diffs? You would need to download the www repo and cvs diff -u against plus.html thanks in advance I've done most of the latest updates with Janne's corrections. It's true I have a lot of diffulties to find time to do it lately, sorry :(, so maybe it'll be better if someone else take it now. Anyway I'm a bit surprised some other people worked on it, I've worked with Janne and some stuff are almost but not yet published (to week #26, the beginning of c2k11 for 5.0, and week #33 and #34 of current). I've done some work I could submit soon to Janne with weeks #35, #36 and #37. Let me know if it's needed. Doing a week of plus.html is about 3 or 4 hours of work for me, I've learn a lot of stuff by doing it and that's cool. Unfortunately, new job and weird life have distracted me a lot lately. I'd be happy to give any insight I can on the subject :). Cheers, -- nicolas
Re: Using TrinityDesktop to replace KDE3
Dmitrij D. Czarkoff czark...@gmail.com writes: That said, KDE4 is far ahead of where KDE3 is. Many former KDE3 apps advanced, and this gap will only get larger as time goes. KDE3 is fairly big, so porting it to Qt4 will take long. Apparently they're introducing an abstraction layer[1] to allow them to develop simultaneously for Qt 3, 4, and eventually 5, or whatever. That means that Trinity isn't going to have a sufficient user base, and as far as it has fairly limited development resources, I doubt that it will ever get to major release. I believe it will halt even before the complete OpenBSD port will be finished. Depends on what you mean by major. They came out with their third release[2] yesterday. I'm a cwm user myself, but the OSNews item caught my eye this morning. :) [1] http://www.osnews.com/thread?495212 [2] http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Documentation/Releases_3_5_13 -- http://www.wistly.net
Re: Using TrinityDesktop to replace KDE3
02.11.2011 16:25, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff P?P8QP5Q: On Wed, 2011-11-02 at 06:49 -0500, Amit Kulkarni wrote: On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Vadim Zhukovpersg...@gmail.com wrote: My crazy idea is to port Trinity (those guys migrate to using Qt4 and CMake, which is cool, and to UDev, which is not) and make it replace KDE 3 (which is dead upstream anyway). After this migration to KDE 4 will be seamless (and those who want KDE 3 enchanced could have it too :) ). It seems to me that they deliberately changed the API (renamed every lib function for K* to T*) not to interfere with KDE4. If I get it right, that effectively means that neither KDE3 nor KDE4 apps can't be linked with Trinity libs. So, Trinity does not affect migration to KDE4. The point is that we'll be able to run KDE 3 (okay, Trinity) and KDE 4 apps at the same time. And not fiddle in terminal with updating all the configs at the same time. Don't care about libraries: you run apps, not libs. :) BTW, I don't really get the idea of Trinity. KDE4 feature-wise is a superset of KDE3, and as such it can be tuned to mimic KDE3 fairly closely. That said, KDE4 is far ahead of where KDE3 is. Many former KDE3 apps advanced, and this gap will only get larger as time goes. KDE3 is fairly big, so porting it to Qt4 will take long. Personally I don't care about their goals. They may want ever to dominate over the world, but that's out of the question. :) The question is could this project help to migrate from KDE 3 to KDE 4. We have Qt4 in ports, so I don't see any problems _for_us_ here. Qt3? Okay. Qt4? Fine. Main problem I see currently is the process of moving Trinity to using UDev and NetworkManager. We already have all other bits they want, don't we? That means that Trinity isn't going to have a sufficient user base, and as far as it has fairly limited development resources, I doubt that it will ever get to major release. They just did the third release, so the project is at least alive. I believe it will halt even before the complete OpenBSD port will be finished. Well, many people say that OpenBSD will die soon too. :) And keep saying it for many years... Current KDE 4 effort took about 1,5 months of work ATM. Yes, a lot of work was done before by Marc Espie, Remi Pointel, FreeBSD and NetBSD KDE teams and others I'm not aware of. But until there are any real stoppers, porting Trinity looks real enough. -- WBR, Vadim Zhukov
Re: shift+backspace in X
On 2011-11-02, richo ri...@psych0tik.net wrote: On 02/11/11 02:09 -0200, Christiano F. Haesbaert wrote: On Tue, Nov 01, 2011 at 05:12:47PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: In X, shift + backspace used to work the same as backspace on its own (i.e. delete the previous character), but no longer does so in recent -current, most likely following the xkb update. Does anyone know how to restore the previous behaviour? I don't have any keyboard-related sections in xorg.conf (only a Files section with some old font paths). This works for me: Section ServerFlags Option DontZap false EndSection AFAIK that will reenable killing X with ctrl+alt backspace, That one was fixed already. but shouldn't affect the behaviour of Shift+BS surely? It shouldn't, though stranger things have happened so I checked anyway (it doesn't affect it).
Re: shift+backspace in X
On Tue, Nov 01, 2011 at 05:12:47PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote:
In X, shift + backspace used to work the same as backspace on its own
(i.e. delete the previous character), but no longer does so in recent
-current, most likely following the xkb update.
Does anyone know how to restore the previous behaviour?
I don't have any keyboard-related sections in xorg.conf (only
a Files section with some old font paths).
Yes, new xkeyboard-config broke this behaviour. This patch should help.
I think there is no objection if he gets into a tree.
OK ?
--
Alexandr Shadchin
Index: terminate
===
RCS file: /cvs/xenocara/dist/xkeyboard-config/symbols/terminate,v
retrieving revision 1.3
diff -u -p -r1.3 terminate
--- terminate 16 Oct 2011 17:18:57 - 1.3
+++ terminate 2 Nov 2011 14:05:02 -
@@ -2,6 +2,6 @@ partial default modifier_keys
xkb_symbols ctrl_alt_bksp {
key BKSP {
type=CTRL+ALT,
-symbols[Group1] = [ NoSymbol, VoidSymbol, VoidSymbol, VoidSymbol,
Terminate_Server ]
+symbols[Group1] = [ BackSpace, BackSpace, BackSpace, BackSpace,
Terminate_Server ]
};
};
Re: Updating plus.html
Hi, If no-one else is updating this page, I will do it. Can someone tell me what date the OPENBSD_5_0 tag was added so I know when to start from? I couldn't figure out if this was possible from cvs. My plan is to go through the source changes and plunder from the commit messages. Brett. Brett, I offered to do it. But I am contributing to KDE porting and that's taking a lot of time, so if you could do the plus.html, just great! I didn't realize that diffing plus.html would take so much of my time. That's real work. I would say, you follow the github.com/openbsd repo, and do a git log. OpenBSD 5.0 tag was added on August 8th per the latest changelog ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/Changelogs/ChangeLog I have a diff for updating plus50.html but it needs further corrections, right now it takes to 06/20/2011 from 05/15/2011. I will do the diff tomorrow and then I hope you can do the future diffs? You would need to download the www repo and cvs diff -u against plus.html thanks in advance I've done most of the latest updates with Janne's corrections. It's true I have a lot of diffulties to find time to do it lately, sorry :(, so maybe it'll be better if someone else take it now. Anyway I'm a bit surprised some other people worked on it, I've worked with Janne and some stuff are almost but not yet published (to week #26, the beginning of c2k11 for 5.0, and week #33 and #34 of current). I've done some work I could submit soon to Janne with weeks #35, #36 and #37. Let me know if it's needed. Please submit, if you have already done the work! Doing a week of plus.html is about 3 or 4 hours of work for me, I've learn a lot of stuff by doing it and that's cool. Unfortunately, new job and weird life have distracted me a lot lately. I'd be happy to give any insight I can on the subject :). Yeah, its a lot of work... found out the hard way. It was a huge time sucker. Wow, that's something. Brett, I coded up some stuff to strip off useless things from git log. When you do git pull of github.com/openbsd it will give you some errors, no worries, you are only concerned with git log, and not source file themselves. If you want I can send it to you privately. I was also going to automatically insert the URL for iwn(4). That is the most tedious part of the diff. If you want I can do this weekend for you. Also, you have to collapse many diffs into one change, into a one liner combining words from many commits. thanks
Re: shift+backspace in X
Great, thanks very much!
OK sthen@
On 2011/11/02 20:12, Alexandr Shadchin wrote:
On Tue, Nov 01, 2011 at 05:12:47PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote:
In X, shift + backspace used to work the same as backspace on its own
(i.e. delete the previous character), but no longer does so in recent
-current, most likely following the xkb update.
Does anyone know how to restore the previous behaviour?
I don't have any keyboard-related sections in xorg.conf (only
a Files section with some old font paths).
Yes, new xkeyboard-config broke this behaviour. This patch should help.
I think there is no objection if he gets into a tree.
OK ?
--
Alexandr Shadchin
Index: terminate
===
RCS file: /cvs/xenocara/dist/xkeyboard-config/symbols/terminate,v
retrieving revision 1.3
diff -u -p -r1.3 terminate
--- terminate 16 Oct 2011 17:18:57 - 1.3
+++ terminate 2 Nov 2011 14:05:02 -
@@ -2,6 +2,6 @@ partial default modifier_keys
xkb_symbols ctrl_alt_bksp {
key BKSP {
type=CTRL+ALT,
-symbols[Group1] = [ NoSymbol, VoidSymbol, VoidSymbol, VoidSymbol,
Terminate_Server ]
+symbols[Group1] = [ BackSpace, BackSpace, BackSpace, BackSpace,
Terminate_Server ]
};
};
Re: Updating plus.html
I would say, you follow the github.com/openbsd repo, and do a git log.
Just a question: i'm personally tracking
git://anoncvs.estpak.ee/openbsd-{src,xenocara}, a link which was
introduced by Stuart Henderson in a message some months ago.
Is that github.com repo (beside the fact that it also offers www)
in any way special, or was it just that you had it at hand?
Thanks.
--steffen
Re: Updating plus.html
I would say, you follow the github.com/openbsd repo, and do a git log.
Just a question: i'm personally tracking
git://anoncvs.estpak.ee/openbsd-{src,xenocara}, a link which was
introduced by Stuart Henderson in a message some months ago.
Is that github.com repo (beside the fact that it also offers www)
in any way special, or was it just that you had it at hand?
Thanks.
not special, but i didn't want to use Changelog to parse, it is too
wordy. You can use any mirror, it is not security problem if we screw
up, right? I didn't know Stuart's link. I might use it :-)
:-)
Re: Using TrinityDesktop to replace KDE3
On Wed, 2011-11-02 at 08:44 -0500, Carson Chittom wrote: Apparently they're introducing an abstraction layer[1] to allow them to develop simultaneously for Qt 3, 4, and eventually 5, or whatever. And how long are they going to introduce it? Oh, and they do also maintain all the KDE3 userland including KDevelop. And by they we mean two (!!!) developers with no financial backup. They are doomed. The whole thing gives an impression of I've bough KRC book, let's code the new OS binary compatible with Windows, Linux and OSX project kind. Depends on what you mean by major. They came out with their third release[2] yesterday. That was *.*.+1 (bugfix) release. And the change log proves that. -- Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
Re: Updating plus.html
Hi, Amit Kulkarni wrote on Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 09:18:55AM -0500: Yeah, its a lot of work... found out the hard way. It was a huge time sucker. Wow, that's something. The hard part about it is actually *understanding* what the commits do, to get the one-line summary right. A good commit message and a good plus.html entry have different goals. The commit message technically explains the reason for the change, and how the code works before and after the change, and the primary audience are programmers well acquainted with the internals of the program in question. It may also briefly mention consequences for users, but that is rarely the focus. A good plus.html entry briefly summarizes the relevance for the user. It may also mention technicalities when the change is very technical in nature - like, changing NULL to (void *) - but's that's more the exception than the rule. Not every commit warrants a plus.html entry, and most are shorter than the corresponding commit messages, but some need expansion on the relevance for the user. Shortening very technical, usually already rather terse texts is hard; understanding the consequences, and expanding on the relevance, where that is lacking from the commit message, is even harder. When Nicolas did it and i saw what he said regarding mandoc(1), i sometimes went Huh? Which change is that referring to? or a few times even What? I never did that... - even though Nicolas certainly used care and spent considerable effort, even though mandoc is certainly a relatively easy part of the system, and even though my commit messages tend to be more verbose than those of some other developers. That said, i don't think having individual developers provide plus.html entries in addition to commit messages would work - additional workload, lack of uniform style, and lack of a big picture pespective. So it has to be done by one person, or by a small team. The ideal person to do it would know all the technical internals of all parts of the system, have huge experience in using the system, but be completely unwilling or unable to write any code in there first place, to not be distracted from writing and committing code improvements. Oh well, what a contradictory job ad... :) Even if what you are doing is not perfect, having a least something, in a consistent style and with regular updates, is certainly a huge improvement, compared to letting plus.html die. Thanks, Ingo
Re: Using TrinityDesktop to replace KDE3
On Wed, 2011-11-02 at 17:47 +0400, Vadim Zhukov wrote: The point is that we'll be able to run KDE 3 (okay, Trinity) and KDE 4 apps at the same time. Why would anyone need that? And not fiddle in terminal with updating all the configs at the same time. So You prefer continuous fiddling with configs instead of using configure once approach? I believe it will halt even before the complete OpenBSD port will be finished. Well, many people say that OpenBSD will die soon too. :) And keep saying it for many years... I think this example is a way closer: http://rus-os.narod.ru/ -- Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
Re: Using TrinityDesktop to replace KDE3
02.11.2011 19:13, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff P?P8QP5Q: On Wed, 2011-11-02 at 17:47 +0400, Vadim Zhukov wrote: The point is that we'll be able to run KDE 3 (okay, Trinity) and KDE 4 apps at the same time. Why would anyone need that? At least me. :) In that use case you can, e.g., carefully move your profile to KDE 4 while still working with old apps. You may check that specific functionality you need/use still exists in KDE 4 without disturbing your workflow. Etc. And not fiddle in terminal with updating all the configs at the same time. So You prefer continuous fiddling with configs instead of using configure once approach? When your KDE profile is large enough and heavily customized, it becomes a problem. I believe it will halt even before the complete OpenBSD port will be finished. Well, many people say that OpenBSD will die soon too. :) And keep saying it for many years... I think this example is a way closer: http://rus-os.narod.ru/ OMG : -- WBR, Vadim Zhukov
Re: Using TrinityDesktop to replace KDE3
On Wed, 2011-11-02 at 19:25 +0400, Vadim Zhukov wrote: So You prefer continuous fiddling with configs instead of using configure once approach? When your KDE profile is large enough and heavily customized, it becomes a problem. Sorry then. Anyway, I don't really believe it worth trying. At least until Trinity can be compiled without Qt3. P.S.: They are two persons maintaining KDE3 and all of it's userland and porting it to a wrapper library they simultaneously develop. And they might have jobs IRL. Do You really believe the result can be of any use? -- Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
Re: Using TrinityDesktop to replace KDE3
KDE3 was super cool. I used it on OpenBSD all the time, left it when KDE4 happened and moved to XFCE4 and some spartan WMs. Gnome was never my pair of shoes. Porting this [TrinityDesktop] to OpenBSD is an absolutely great idea! W dniu 02.11.2011 12:49, Amit Kulkarni pisze: On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Vadim Zhukov persg...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all. Someone of you could already know this, but me was just notified: there exists Trinity Desktop - http://www.trinitydesktop.org/ - that aims to keep KDE 3 platform alive. One of the goals they pursue is co-existing with KDE 4. My crazy idea is to port Trinity (those guys migrate to using Qt4 and CMake, which is cool, and to UDev, which is not) and make it replace KDE 3 (which is dead upstream anyway). After this migration to KDE 4 will be seamless (and those who want KDE 3 enchanced could have it too :) ). Is anyone interested? -- WBR, Vadim Zhukov moving this to the misc@ list to get a gauge on people's opinions. Are there many users of KDE on OpenBSD? I thought OpenBSD is mostly GNOME :-) This new fork would be too much work :( Idea is very good, but GNOME in OpenBSD is moving completely to 3.X, why keep a fork of old KDE or old KDE? I agree that there are problems with new KDE but they would be solved in future versions. Opinions?
Re: Using TrinityDesktop to replace KDE3
Are there many users of KDE on OpenBSD? I thought OpenBSD is mostly GNOME :-) On the few systems I install X on, I use FVWM and like it K.
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Re: EeePC, 5.0: acpitz gets wrong temperature
Hello,
Le samedi 22 C 11:15, FrC)dC)ric Perrin a C)crit :
I just installed a snapshot (dated Oct 19) of -current on a new EeePC
1001PXD. The installation itself went fine. However, on the first boot,
even before I can see the login prompt, acpitz decides to shutdown the
machine:
acpitz0: critical temperature exceeded 255C (5282K), shutting down
Same thing happens with 5.0. If somebody wants to investigate:
`dmesg' from 5.0's ramdisk is at :
http://tar-jx.bz/stuff/dmesg.lapin-5.0-ramdisk
`dmesg' from 5.0's kernel with ACPI disabled is at:
http://tar-jx.bz/stuff/dmesg.lapin-5.0-noacpi
`sysctl -a' is at:
http://tar-jx.bz/stuff/sysctl.lapin-5.0-noacpi
I applied the following, and rebooted without disabling ACPI:
--- acpitz.c.~1.43.~2011-06-25 07:35:06.0 +0200
+++ acpitz.c2011-11-01 19:40:24.0 +0100
@@ -326,11 +326,11 @@ acpitz_refresh(void *arg)
}
/* critical trip points */
if (sc-sc_crt != -1 sc-sc_crt = sc-sc_tmp) {
- /* do critical shutdown */
- printf(%s: critical temperature exceeded %dC (%dK), shutting
- down\n,
- DEVNAME(sc), KTOC(sc-sc_tmp), sc-sc_tmp);
- psignal(initproc, SIGUSR2);
+ printf(%s: temperature %dC (%dK) = %dC (%dK)\n,
+ DEVNAME(sc), KTOC(sc-sc_tmp), sc-sc_tmp,
+ KTOC(sc-sc_crt), sc-sc_crt);
+ printf(%s: for the record, _HOT is %dC (%dK)\n,
+ DEVNAME(sc), KTOC(sc-sc_hot), sc-sc_hot);
}
acpitz spams about every 10 seconds the following:
acpitz0: temperature 255C (5282K) = 98C (3712K)
acpitz0: for the record, _HOT is -273C (-1K)
`dmesg' with this patch is at:
http://tar-jx.bz/stuff/dmesg.lapin-5.0-nohaltoncrit
`sysctl -a' is at:
http://tar-jx.bz/stuff/sysctl.lapin-5.0-nohaltoncrit
Is there anything else I can try?
Of course, the temperature of the laptop is nowhere near 255C. This
happened with both amd64 and i386. I tried again this morning after
shutting down the laptop last evening, so the temperature should have
been much above 20C. Under Linux, I see the following (temperatures in
milliCelsius):
% uname -or
3.0.0-1-amd64 GNU/Linux
% grep '' /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone*/*
/sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/cdev0_trip_point:1
/sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/cdev1_trip_point:1
/sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/mode:enabled
/sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp:5
/sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/trip_point_0_temp:98000
/sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/trip_point_0_type:critical
/sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/trip_point_1_temp:95000
/sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/trip_point_1_type:passive
/sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/type:acpitz
--
Fred
Re: Performance problems with OpenBSD 4.9 under ESXi 5
I have some OpenBSD AMD64 (as 'other-64bit') VMs running fine for months under ESX 4.1.0 e.g: We've had the Seattle BSD user group site hosted on an OpenBSD VM for something like 2 years with no problems. I can probably ask our host what config options they[1] used when setting it up. If anyone needs/wants a dmesg or something I can provide that. [1] http://www.thunderboltcomputing.com/ I'm not sure what plan we're under as they donate the hosting to us. -Bryan
Re: EeePC, 5.0: acpitz gets wrong temperature
I just installed a snapshot (dated Oct 19) of -current on a new EeePC 1001PXD. The installation itself went fine. However, on the first boot, even before I can see the login prompt, acpitz decides to shutdown the machine: acpitz0: critical temperature exceeded 255C (5282K), shutting down [..] `dmesg' with this patch is at: http://tar-jx.bz/stuff/dmesg.lapin-5.0-nohaltoncrit From your dmesg: acpiec _REG failed, broken BIOS ASUS has a BIOS update (0702; 2011.04.13) with the this description: Update EC firmware I'd try that. Tell me if it fixes the problem.
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Comments on the various emails inline
Anyway I'm a bit surprised some other people worked on it, I've worked
with Janne and some stuff are almost but not yet published (to week
#26, the beginning of c2k11 for 5.0, and week #33 and #34 of
current). I've done some work I could submit soon to Janne with weeks
#35, #36 and #37. Let me know if it's needed.
Please submit, if you have already done the work!
Yes, put whatever you have done already in! And, when you say 'week
#33,' does that mean 33rd week of the year?
Yeah, its a lot of work... found out the hard way. It was a huge time
sucker. Wow, that's something.
Brett,
I coded up some stuff to strip off useless things from git log. When
you do git pull of github.com/openbsd it will give you some errors, no
worries, you are only concerned with git log, and not source file
themselves. If you want I can send it to you privately.
OK that sounds very useful.
I was also going to automatically insert the URL for iwn(4). That is
the most tedious part of the diff. If you want I can do this weekend
for you.
Do you mean automatically insert the URL for the man pages relevant to
the commit? Otherwise I am not sure of the reference to iwn(4).
Just a question: i'm personally tracking
git://anoncvs.estpak.ee/openbsd-{src,xenocara}, a link which was
introduced by Stuart Henderson in a message some months ago.
Will check this out too.
The ideal person to do it would know all the
technical internals of all parts of the system, have huge
experience in using the system, but be completely unwilling
or unable to write any code in there first place, to not be
distracted from writing and committing code improvements.
Oh well, what a contradictory job ad... :)
In that case I am definitely not the ideal person for the job! But I
suppose I will hear about it if I leave something important out, or
completely misrepresent things :-)
Brett.
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Re: Updating plus.html
Ciao, Ingo Schwarze wrote [2011-11-02 15:58+0100]: When Nicolas did it and i saw what he said regarding mandoc(1), i sometimes went Huh? Which change is that referring to? or a few times even What? I never did that... - even though Nicolas certainly used care and spent considerable effort, even though mandoc is certainly a relatively easy part of the system, and even though my commit messages tend to be more verbose than those of some other developers. Translating your messages was the hardest part of 49.html. Really. Completely clear and transparent in english, but curiously compacted. (You may have some fun at the end of the week - just in case you'll look at the translation, then.) Amit Kulkarni wrote on Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 09:18:55AM -0500: Yeah, its a lot of work... found out the hard way. It was a huge time sucker. I didn't realize the problem of this thread at all sofar. But if it would be ok to have someone work on that once a week, then i would offer myself for this, too. (Nothing what Ingo Schwarze said about required knowledge is true for me though. I'm only a userland-library programmer. :)) Due to the expected time that is required (i spent almost five days of free time on 49.html), i really would appreciate to be part of a team. I.e., maintaining plus.html without doing at least a shallow message/manual(/code) audit doesn't seem to be useful to me. And we're talking about some 300 commits per month, of which the most have to be included (it seems). This file was *actively maintained* by a *single* person in the past! I didn't know that! Wow!! I guess i thought that this file is produced automatically, maybe by magic cvs(1) commit-message-tags or the like. Well, i hope i don't promise too much and too fast.. What do you think? Thanks and good night, --steffen
Re: Updating plus.html
I didn't realize the problem of this thread at all sofar. But if it would be ok to have someone work on that once a week, then i would offer myself for this, too. Due to the expected time that is required (i spent almost five days of free time on 49.html), i really would appreciate to be part of a team. I.e., maintaining plus.html without doing at least a shallow message/manual(/code) audit doesn't seem to be useful to me. And we're talking about some 300 commits per month, of which the most have to be included (it seems). ... What do you think? Thanks and good night, --steffen Hi Steffen, Once the parts others have already done are in, I will start from there. How about when you have time, you email me? I will tell you what I've done up to and you can start from there, and let me know where you stopped. This way we can avoid duplicating work. Brett.
Zend Guard Loader
Hello, After upgrade PHP to 5.3 I have problems with Zend Encoder. Zend Optimizer works fine with php 5.2 but since php 5.3 there is Zend Guard Loader and there is no version for *BSD. So maybe there is a way to convert this extension to OpenBSD compatible ? I read about linux.compat, elf2olf etc. but I'm not a C programmer, so please help. Under linux ldd returns: ldd ZendGuardLoader.so linux-gate.so.1 = (0xb781e000) libdl.so.2 = /lib/libdl.so.2 (0xb771a000) libm.so.6 = /lib/libm.so.6 (0xb76f) libc.so.6 = /lib/libc.so.6 (0xb7574000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb781f000) Under OpenBSD:: ldd /home/admin/ZendGuardLoader.so /home/admin/ZendGuardLoader.so: Cannot load specified object Thanks for any help. Regards, Bambero
www/faq/index.html mentioning 4.9
Noticed by wepy in #openbsd on freenode. 21:21 wepy http://www.openbsd.org/faq/index.html -- says installation guide is for 4.9, but links to 5.0 Mike Index: www/faq/index.html === RCS file: /cvs/www/faq/index.html,v retrieving revision 1.342 diff -u -r1.342 index.html --- www/faq/index.html 1 Nov 2011 11:59:22 - 1.342 +++ www/faq/index.html 3 Nov 2011 03:24:38 - @@ -112,7 +112,7 @@ lia href=faq1.html#Next1.7 - When is the next release of OpenBSD?/a lia href=faq1.html#Included1.8 - What is included with OpenBSD?/a -lia href=faq1.html#WhatsNew1.9 - What is new in OpenBSD 4.9?/a +lia href=faq1.html#WhatsNew1.9 - What is new in OpenBSD 5.0?/a lia href=faq1.html#Desktop 1.10 - Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?/a lia href=faq1.html#HowAbout1.11 - Why is/isn't ProductX included?/a @@ -137,7 +137,7 @@ to learn OpenBSD on?/a /ul -h3a href=faq4.html4 - OpenBSD 4.9 Installation Guide/a/h3 +h3a href=faq4.html4 - OpenBSD 5.0 Installation Guide/a/h3 ul lia href=faq4.html#Overview4.1 - Overview of the OpenBSD installation procedure/a
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how to gain high performance with big memory
how to gain high performance with big memory amd64 ,OpenBSD 5.0 Release, machine has big memory = 48G for example,how to mount memory for /usr/ports file system, letting make build more quickly. other suggestion? how to tune sysctl.conf file according?
limit ftp download
Hi, I'm using OpenBSD 5.0 I'm testing traffic shapping using altq. I can limit a user (his Ip address) to a 160Kb/s, it works great. But when this user try to download a file using ftp, he downloads it at 1024Kb/s. I suppose it is because traffic are redirect to 127.0.0.1 (ftpproxy) sample of my pf.conf: ... anchor ftp-proxy/* pass in on $lan inet proto tcp from $limithost \ to port 21 divert-to 127.0.0.1 port 8021 queue ilimit ... Is there a way to solve this problem? I want also that the others can download on ftp at full speed* Thank you very much. Cheers, Wesley.
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