Re: Fwd: Booting BSD on a Libreboot system - documentation needed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi Aaron, On 06/10/16 05:05, Aaron Mason wrote: > Holy frijole, just reading some of the responses from the some > people in GNU - I'm at the point where I'm not entirely convinced > that GNU isn't a cult, with Stallman as the high almighty leader. Can you link me to those posts? (E.g. mailing list archive posts) - -- Leah Rowe Libreboot developer Use free software. Free as in freedom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software Use a free operating system, GNU/Linux. https://libreboot.org/docs/distros/ Use a free BIOS. https://libreboot.org/ Support computer user freedom. https://peers.community/ Minifree Ltd, trading as Ministry of Freedom | Registered in England, No. 9361826 | VAT No. GB202190462 Registered Office: 19 Hilton Road, Canvey Island, Essex SS8 9QA, UK | Web: http://minifree.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJYAMJOAAoJEP9Ft0z50c+UZNoH/1Jkv4QfcIdzGdOTl55Zwk4w lMUfZguBl7hro0HDmmf/OVFH7MChwZl20Hug8lDy12g+QGMe+kHO2eCrtdyRMJoc BwTDksPvTOgkALZ6ysgJBeikGh10jzNv/5/xGrCWtqNaHTauYGVnGVn/wN9FHMSC ko0WQLtsLtbNwK1lS6uAk6fFNUGB5wMShxbsxuiaHPJsO7n2azE8w2CJi3WTZgK9 GZ2EucoSAIou1PYE31JdwZfRDOOWqRLeOaQAXtqVnD63SntvCLJAf8in+422nOQR v4zqV0SoHWuA/4zhiIyN5lp/nKKY4qzcYYHvuCuyZJyfVSFLL1VUxi8vi/ifD48= =ViWC -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Booting BSD on a Libreboot system - documentation needed
Look. Please leave the drama off the lists. Any discussion against drama is also drama. Can my mail be the last on the topic please? People who have jumped onto this list from the outside without respecting our community are the most disrespectful of all. It should be all about code. If it works, it'll be used by people. If it doesn't work, it won't be used by people. That's it. Don't try to upsell a process by politicizing it, it really does not work. > To be clear, it's not "the libreboot side" but rather "The Leah Rowe side" > - to date she has not offered any evidence of her accusations. > From my viewpoint it seems VERY doubtful that the FSF would be bigoted > towards trans people and i'm inclined not to believe the accusation. > > Leah: I also have to ask why you are only now looking into supporting the > BSDs better. The GNU project is not anti-BSD as you seem to believe. > > Remember that GRUB contains code to load BSD kernels - in fact the last > time I installed OpenBSD I did so by loading bsd.rd from GRUB. > > Leah - you might remember me as GarethTheGreat on freenode. I had a lot of > respect for your efforts with libreboot and gluglug and hoped to buy > a laptop from you at some point. I will no longer do so as I am a proud > supporter of the FSF and can see you actively slandering some good people. > > I'd rather not drag the OpenBSD mailing lists into such drama so I will not > comment further. > > > --- > âLanie, Iâm going to print more printers. Lots more printers. One for > everyone. Thatâs worth going to jail for. Thatâs worth anything.â - > Printcrime by Cory Doctrow > > Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. > See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 1:09 PM, wrote: > > > On Thu, 6 Oct 2016 15:05:04 +1100 > > Aaron Mason wrote: > > > > > Holy frijole, just reading some of the responses from the some people > > > in GNU - I'm at the point where I'm not entirely convinced that GNU > > > isn't a cult, with Stallman as the high almighty leader. > > > > I am suspicious of both sides. Libreboot's team talks about > > "transgender discrimination" of employees at GNU, without actually > > explaining what went on over at GNU that was anything serious, or > > anything "transgender" related. > > > > The Libreboot side claims some people got fired just for being > > transgender. I could not see anything more than just that claim, and a > > list of employees who were "discriminated" against. > > > > However, all the GNU side responses, as cult-ish as they are, are > > somewhat valid if Leah and co have set the copyright to the FSF, in > > which case there is no easy way out other than a fork. Leah and co have > > to be careful, because have a look at this: > > http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2007/412/165/ > > 2007-412165986-036368a0-9.pdf > > > > As of writing this message, we are in the 2010's, where anyone and > > everyone uses "(trans)gender discrimination" or "racial discrimination" > > to avoid accountability. A little suspicion, cynicism, and scepticism > > could reduce potential embarrassment.
Re: Booting BSD on a Libreboot system - documentation needed
Do any of you mind to drop the off topic, pretty please? it's a thread about booting BSD on hardware with the libreboot BIOS/UEFI. Not... whatever you are doing here. 2016-10-06 23:15 GMT+02:00 Gareth Nelson : > To be clear, it's not "the libreboot side" but rather "The Leah Rowe side" > - to date she has not offered any evidence of her accusations. > From my viewpoint it seems VERY doubtful that the FSF would be bigoted > towards trans people and i'm inclined not to believe the accusation. > > Leah: I also have to ask why you are only now looking into supporting the > BSDs better. The GNU project is not anti-BSD as you seem to believe. > > Remember that GRUB contains code to load BSD kernels - in fact the last > time I installed OpenBSD I did so by loading bsd.rd from GRUB. > > Leah - you might remember me as GarethTheGreat on freenode. I had a lot of > respect for your efforts with libreboot and gluglug and hoped to buy > a laptop from you at some point. I will no longer do so as I am a proud > supporter of the FSF and can see you actively slandering some good people. > > I'd rather not drag the OpenBSD mailing lists into such drama so I will not > comment further. > > > --- > “Lanie, I’m going to print more printers. Lots more printers. One for > everyone. That’s worth going to jail for. That’s worth anything.” - > Printcrime by Cory Doctrow > > Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. > See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 1:09 PM, wrote: > >> On Thu, 6 Oct 2016 15:05:04 +1100 >> Aaron Mason wrote: >> >> > Holy frijole, just reading some of the responses from the some people >> > in GNU - I'm at the point where I'm not entirely convinced that GNU >> > isn't a cult, with Stallman as the high almighty leader. >> >> I am suspicious of both sides. Libreboot's team talks about >> "transgender discrimination" of employees at GNU, without actually >> explaining what went on over at GNU that was anything serious, or >> anything "transgender" related. >> >> The Libreboot side claims some people got fired just for being >> transgender. I could not see anything more than just that claim, and a >> list of employees who were "discriminated" against. >> >> However, all the GNU side responses, as cult-ish as they are, are >> somewhat valid if Leah and co have set the copyright to the FSF, in >> which case there is no easy way out other than a fork. Leah and co have >> to be careful, because have a look at this: >> http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2007/412/165/ >> 2007-412165986-036368a0-9.pdf >> >> As of writing this message, we are in the 2010's, where anyone and >> everyone uses "(trans)gender discrimination" or "racial discrimination" >> to avoid accountability. A little suspicion, cynicism, and scepticism >> could reduce potential embarrassment. > -- Cordialement, Coues Ludovic +336 148 743 42
Re: Booting BSD on a Libreboot system - documentation needed
To be clear, it's not "the libreboot side" but rather "The Leah Rowe side" - to date she has not offered any evidence of her accusations. >From my viewpoint it seems VERY doubtful that the FSF would be bigoted towards trans people and i'm inclined not to believe the accusation. Leah: I also have to ask why you are only now looking into supporting the BSDs better. The GNU project is not anti-BSD as you seem to believe. Remember that GRUB contains code to load BSD kernels - in fact the last time I installed OpenBSD I did so by loading bsd.rd from GRUB. Leah - you might remember me as GarethTheGreat on freenode. I had a lot of respect for your efforts with libreboot and gluglug and hoped to buy a laptop from you at some point. I will no longer do so as I am a proud supporter of the FSF and can see you actively slandering some good people. I'd rather not drag the OpenBSD mailing lists into such drama so I will not comment further. --- âLanie, Iâm going to print more printers. Lots more printers. One for everyone. Thatâs worth going to jail for. Thatâs worth anything.â - Printcrime by Cory Doctrow Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 1:09 PM, wrote: > On Thu, 6 Oct 2016 15:05:04 +1100 > Aaron Mason wrote: > > > Holy frijole, just reading some of the responses from the some people > > in GNU - I'm at the point where I'm not entirely convinced that GNU > > isn't a cult, with Stallman as the high almighty leader. > > I am suspicious of both sides. Libreboot's team talks about > "transgender discrimination" of employees at GNU, without actually > explaining what went on over at GNU that was anything serious, or > anything "transgender" related. > > The Libreboot side claims some people got fired just for being > transgender. I could not see anything more than just that claim, and a > list of employees who were "discriminated" against. > > However, all the GNU side responses, as cult-ish as they are, are > somewhat valid if Leah and co have set the copyright to the FSF, in > which case there is no easy way out other than a fork. Leah and co have > to be careful, because have a look at this: > http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2007/412/165/ > 2007-412165986-036368a0-9.pdf > > As of writing this message, we are in the 2010's, where anyone and > everyone uses "(trans)gender discrimination" or "racial discrimination" > to avoid accountability. A little suspicion, cynicism, and scepticism > could reduce potential embarrassment.
Re: Booting BSD on a Libreboot system - documentation needed
On Thu, 6 Oct 2016 15:05:04 +1100 Aaron Mason wrote: > Holy frijole, just reading some of the responses from the some people > in GNU - I'm at the point where I'm not entirely convinced that GNU > isn't a cult, with Stallman as the high almighty leader. I am suspicious of both sides. Libreboot's team talks about "transgender discrimination" of employees at GNU, without actually explaining what went on over at GNU that was anything serious, or anything "transgender" related. The Libreboot side claims some people got fired just for being transgender. I could not see anything more than just that claim, and a list of employees who were "discriminated" against. However, all the GNU side responses, as cult-ish as they are, are somewhat valid if Leah and co have set the copyright to the FSF, in which case there is no easy way out other than a fork. Leah and co have to be careful, because have a look at this: http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2007/412/165/2007-412165986-036368a0-9.pdf As of writing this message, we are in the 2010's, where anyone and everyone uses "(trans)gender discrimination" or "racial discrimination" to avoid accountability. A little suspicion, cynicism, and scepticism could reduce potential embarrassment.
Re: Fwd: Booting BSD on a Libreboot system - documentation needed
Holy frijole, just reading some of the responses from the some people in GNU - I'm at the point where I'm not entirely convinced that GNU isn't a cult, with Stallman as the high almighty leader. On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 7:31 PM, Leah Rowe wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > Thanks. > > On 05/10/16 05:39, Scott Bonds wrote: >> I've started a stab at it. My x200 is in pieces at the moment and I >> want to retest my instructions before I submit a PR, so it may be a >> couple weeks. >> >> On 10/05, Leah Rowe wrote: >>> > > - -- > Leah Rowe > > Libreboot developer > > Use free software. Free as in freedom. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software > > Use a free operating system, GNU/Linux. > > Use a free BIOS. > https://libreboot.org/ > > Support computer user freedom. > https://peers.community/ > > Minifree Ltd, trading as Ministry of Freedom | Registered in England, > No. 9361826 | VAT No. GB202190462 > Registered Office: 19 Hilton Road, Canvey Island, Essex SS8 9QA, UK | > Web: http://minifree.org/ > iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJX9LprAAoJEP9Ft0z50c+UUe4IAJmZ9w5nAQAuQRBF07+vSftI > 9aW/gz/u0VRbbTbgJJAQYABtgmIOsGUWmV3eg2DvLYz/M5k7uGow4jNkr94e4gtc > xxrjbsD1Vp5WlDF9MEBI9BFsWmY4ZGGT3wdG7/ioDzek1wKqVfRDgZsjnx5XBJz9 > IhG+BPme1+Z2CFTlml633HVEpT8dPqa2M8TqNozbZpCPLHnaaGAAoN41zgrlRTNN > coeQyQwvVZvvvz1M6a3A1EGRtwwcaWW5bRQRR9HaESq9YkVkSMrPZh6LgElpp8ei > l7FWuT6UG1Uq3N1zXfRCusSginE8UazKr0Q+V0XduNquVs3hqvA4Qv+7YfDVk18= > =9M7A > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > -- Aaron Mason - Programmer, open source addict I've taken my software vows - for beta or for worse
Re: Fwd: Booting BSD on a Libreboot system - documentation needed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Thanks. On 05/10/16 05:39, Scott Bonds wrote: > I've started a stab at it. My x200 is in pieces at the moment and I > want to retest my instructions before I submit a PR, so it may be a > couple weeks. > > On 10/05, Leah Rowe wrote: >> - -- Leah Rowe Libreboot developer Use free software. Free as in freedom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software Use a free operating system, GNU/Linux. Use a free BIOS. https://libreboot.org/ Support computer user freedom. https://peers.community/ Minifree Ltd, trading as Ministry of Freedom | Registered in England, No. 9361826 | VAT No. GB202190462 Registered Office: 19 Hilton Road, Canvey Island, Essex SS8 9QA, UK | Web: http://minifree.org/ iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJX9LprAAoJEP9Ft0z50c+UUe4IAJmZ9w5nAQAuQRBF07+vSftI 9aW/gz/u0VRbbTbgJJAQYABtgmIOsGUWmV3eg2DvLYz/M5k7uGow4jNkr94e4gtc xxrjbsD1Vp5WlDF9MEBI9BFsWmY4ZGGT3wdG7/ioDzek1wKqVfRDgZsjnx5XBJz9 IhG+BPme1+Z2CFTlml633HVEpT8dPqa2M8TqNozbZpCPLHnaaGAAoN41zgrlRTNN coeQyQwvVZvvvz1M6a3A1EGRtwwcaWW5bRQRR9HaESq9YkVkSMrPZh6LgElpp8ei l7FWuT6UG1Uq3N1zXfRCusSginE8UazKr0Q+V0XduNquVs3hqvA4Qv+7YfDVk18= =9M7A -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Fwd: Booting BSD on a Libreboot system - documentation needed
I've started a stab at it. My x200 is in pieces at the moment and I want to retest my instructions before I submit a PR, so it may be a couple weeks. On 10/05, Leah Rowe wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Thanks. Can you forward my message to the appropriate list, if it hasn't already been forwarded? On 30/09/16 23:51, Fred wrote: Hi misc@ The following message was sent to bugs@ but probably belongs here... Libreboot is no longer a GNU project and they are keen to better support OpenBSD and the *BSD's in general. Cheers Fred Forwarded Message ---- Subject: Booting BSD on a Libreboot system - documentation needed Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 15:58:18 +0100 From: Leah Rowe To: b...@openbsd.org CC: mail...@lists.dragonflybsd.org, freebsd-b...@freebsd.org, netbsd-b...@netbsd.org Dear BSD community, Libreboot is a free/opensource BIOS/UEFI implementation/replacement. GNU/Linux is supported well, but people have recently started figuring out how to boot BSD. More info about libreboot at https://libreboot.org/ We wish to have more involvement from the BSD communities, and are willing to accommodate them. See: https://libreboot.org/faq/#bsd We wish for official documentation. See: https://libreboot.org/docs/gnulinux/ We want something like that for BSD, so it would become: https:///libreboot.org/docs/bsd/ That FAQ page shows guides already. We just need proper docs in libreboot.org/docs The libreboot documentation is in the main libreboot repository. You can find the instructions for cloning git and sending patches at: https://libreboot.org/git/ Thanks! -- Leah Rowe Libreboot developer Use free software. Free as in freedom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software Use a free operating system, GNU/Linux. Use a free BIOS. https://libreboot.org/ Support computer user freedom. https://peers.community/ Minifree Ltd, trading as Ministry of Freedom | Registered in England, No. 9361826 | VAT No. GB202190462 Registered Office: 19 Hilton Road, Canvey Island, Essex SS8 9QA, UK | Web: http://minifree.org/ - -- Leah Rowe Libreboot developer Use free software. Free as in freedom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software Use a free operating system, GNU/Linux. Use a free BIOS. https://libreboot.org/ Support computer user freedom. https://peers.community/ Minifree Ltd, trading as Ministry of Freedom | Registered in England, No. 9361826 | VAT No. GB202190462 Registered Office: 19 Hilton Road, Canvey Island, Essex SS8 9QA, UK | Web: http://minifree.org/ iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJX9EJ6AAoJEP9Ft0z50c+U28AH/RsWIASdrofzYWOq6InZFbXu 90aU76pRBXkQB4wpP4+HkKp40vtstInex65jMV5OChMx0/MQXn9wea2Bq58zDMkK V3b40eyMzYhLeTMQF9EniPyRD71JfKGWhhaIic8xcwOq1SQoX55UtzQeLhS1B0tk axoYBJ3PUM3ZW0lC5aHtAWYPeSAdkl/AAPsUFZUYNFb92+I7CuWCC5f01AfS00O2 OscRQ2TLMGfh5OgwBp1HO+7WL32CVo8MYDu9+MRFdPAV18Duh9Tz3R6h0aIEj6uB iOy3RrZD6l1GjX+EF793dUAf9iCG4mj5aaR+tIM6UhZmL/ucPmC7yOVgTYu92Ic= =MvPr -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Fwd: Booting BSD on a Libreboot system - documentation needed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Thanks. Can you forward my message to the appropriate list, if it hasn't already been forwarded? On 30/09/16 23:51, Fred wrote: > Hi misc@ > > The following message was sent to bugs@ but probably belongs > here... > > Libreboot is no longer a GNU project and they are keen to better > support OpenBSD and the *BSD's in general. > > Cheers > > Fred > > > -------- Forwarded Message ---- Subject: Booting BSD on a > Libreboot system - documentation needed Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 > 15:58:18 +0100 From: Leah Rowe To: > b...@openbsd.org CC: mail...@lists.dragonflybsd.org, > freebsd-b...@freebsd.org, netbsd-b...@netbsd.org > > Dear BSD community, > > Libreboot is a free/opensource BIOS/UEFI > implementation/replacement. GNU/Linux is supported well, but people > have recently started figuring out how to boot BSD. More info about > libreboot at https://libreboot.org/ > > We wish to have more involvement from the BSD communities, and are > willing to accommodate them. > > See: https://libreboot.org/faq/#bsd > > We wish for official documentation. See: > https://libreboot.org/docs/gnulinux/ > > We want something like that for BSD, so it would become: > https:///libreboot.org/docs/bsd/ > > That FAQ page shows guides already. We just need proper docs in > libreboot.org/docs > > The libreboot documentation is in the main libreboot repository. > You can find the instructions for cloning git and sending patches > at: https://libreboot.org/git/ > > Thanks! > > -- Leah Rowe > > Libreboot developer > > Use free software. Free as in freedom. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software > > Use a free operating system, GNU/Linux. > > Use a free BIOS. https://libreboot.org/ > > Support computer user freedom. https://peers.community/ > > Minifree Ltd, trading as Ministry of Freedom | Registered in > England, No. 9361826 | VAT No. GB202190462 Registered Office: 19 > Hilton Road, Canvey Island, Essex SS8 9QA, UK | Web: > http://minifree.org/ > > - -- Leah Rowe Libreboot developer Use free software. Free as in freedom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software Use a free operating system, GNU/Linux. Use a free BIOS. https://libreboot.org/ Support computer user freedom. https://peers.community/ Minifree Ltd, trading as Ministry of Freedom | Registered in England, No. 9361826 | VAT No. GB202190462 Registered Office: 19 Hilton Road, Canvey Island, Essex SS8 9QA, UK | Web: http://minifree.org/ iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJX9EJ6AAoJEP9Ft0z50c+U28AH/RsWIASdrofzYWOq6InZFbXu 90aU76pRBXkQB4wpP4+HkKp40vtstInex65jMV5OChMx0/MQXn9wea2Bq58zDMkK V3b40eyMzYhLeTMQF9EniPyRD71JfKGWhhaIic8xcwOq1SQoX55UtzQeLhS1B0tk axoYBJ3PUM3ZW0lC5aHtAWYPeSAdkl/AAPsUFZUYNFb92+I7CuWCC5f01AfS00O2 OscRQ2TLMGfh5OgwBp1HO+7WL32CVo8MYDu9+MRFdPAV18Duh9Tz3R6h0aIEj6uB iOy3RrZD6l1GjX+EF793dUAf9iCG4mj5aaR+tIM6UhZmL/ucPmC7yOVgTYu92Ic= =MvPr -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Fwd: Booting BSD on a Libreboot system - documentation needed
Hi misc@ The following message was sent to bugs@ but probably belongs here... Libreboot is no longer a GNU project and they are keen to better support OpenBSD and the *BSD's in general. Cheers Fred Forwarded Message Subject: Booting BSD on a Libreboot system - documentation needed Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 15:58:18 +0100 From: Leah Rowe To: b...@openbsd.org CC: mail...@lists.dragonflybsd.org, freebsd-b...@freebsd.org, netbsd-b...@netbsd.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Dear BSD community, Libreboot is a free/opensource BIOS/UEFI implementation/replacement. GNU/Linux is supported well, but people have recently started figuring out how to boot BSD. More info about libreboot at https://libreboot.org/ We wish to have more involvement from the BSD communities, and are willing to accommodate them. See: https://libreboot.org/faq/#bsd We wish for official documentation. See: https://libreboot.org/docs/gnulinux/ We want something like that for BSD, so it would become: https:///libreboot.org/docs/bsd/ That FAQ page shows guides already. We just need proper docs in libreboot.org/docs The libreboot documentation is in the main libreboot repository. You can find the instructions for cloning git and sending patches at: https://libreboot.org/git/ Thanks! - -- Leah Rowe Libreboot developer Use free software. Free as in freedom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software Use a free operating system, GNU/Linux. Use a free BIOS. https://libreboot.org/ Support computer user freedom. https://peers.community/ Minifree Ltd, trading as Ministry of Freedom | Registered in England, No. 9361826 | VAT No. GB202190462 Registered Office: 19 Hilton Road, Canvey Island, Essex SS8 9QA, UK | Web: http://minifree.org/ iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJX7n1/AAoJEP9Ft0z50c+UXQkH/1JWeWA3lXrRDXFtGwwvkyWN yrb7V/3Pb0und5vvLU1LYTcBK3uSUNq1UJnPS0hDtnaqvIj86qncxE5xkGPRQk8X LQRmfpDRUweFZJtiQVLychV+R6h0npO7NsSJs8diUnmlKLxCtspXh1SiBue7KDvs 1Jfwy2DAdGPNT2Z5Vzxs+aaN5B3PElgvHDxN1QHt8VTk7cYPy1m7es+R0TZ0wNV/ c3nd3Xd3qKmoPp6M1jTdTewz/muFwaCjoJNpz1Rl1Yxn21hPikkNLshkIG2J4NZq q39tuMGxSJubKHzwyxx5I+lN5uYdPLFz1rXE6UoUB/fH8nGRlrqKasYHH2+WiNo= =4Y9u -END PGP SIGNATURE-
