Re: OT: looking for a videocard

2007-07-17 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 10:36:51PM +0200, Matthieu Herrb wrote:
| o MUST have two DVI outputs
| o MUST be able to drive X with 2x 1600x1200
| o MUST be PCIe-16
| o SHOULD be passively cooled
|
| You may try the Matrox G550 PCIe. They are PCIe x1, not x16, but it
| should fulfill all your other constraints.

From what I can Google, the G550 PCIe does not support 2x 1600x1200
DVI output.

| The work on the new avivo driver for ATI X1xxx chipsets should make
| the situation better in a couple of month, but it won't be imported
| before the OpenBSD 4.2 release. (the nouveau driver should also
| improve things on nVidia hardware, but it requires drm, so it's a
| longer story).

In that case, I could postpone the purchase of one of these (probably
the ATI) until after avivo (or nouveau) are stable enough for my
measily use and use the G550 (with analog connection) until then.

Thanks for your reply, Matthieu. It's a sad state of affairs when it's
basically impossible to buy a videocard that does what you want.

On a related note, do you have any state on the mtx driver ? (for
Matrox P-series video cards)

Cheers,

Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd

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Re: OT: looking for a videocard

2007-07-17 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Monday 16 July 2007, Stuart Henderson wrote:
 On 2007/07/16 22:36, Matthieu Herrb wrote:
  You may try the Matrox G550 PCIe. They are PCIe x1, not x16, but it
  should fulfill all your other constraints.

 Matrox G-series are really great cards for 2D (and the PCI ones are
 available very cheaply) but I've always had trouble getting DVI
 output working under X with them, do you happen to know if DVI (or
 dualhead) still need the binary module these days?

Yes, it's possible without the blob. I've got dual head (both 
stand-alone and Xinerama) working with both G450 and G550 matrox cards 
(AGP/PCI not PCIe) using the default X driver (mga) on 4.1. This is 
over Dsub-15 outputs rather than DVI. Though the G550 supports DVI, I 
have no DVI monitors to test with it. Resolution on each of the two 
monitors is [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can push a single monitor up to 1920x1200 
but you lose the second monitor (dual head) due to card limitations.

For 2D graphics/layout work or countless hours of reading text, nothing 
works better than Matrox.

JCR



Re: OT: looking for a videocard

2007-07-16 Thread Matthieu Herrb

On 7/16/07, Ioan Nemes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Me to!  But NOT JUST PCIe-16.  I've got some older machines
which have no PCIe-16.

Ioan



 Paul de Weerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] 16/07/2007 07:07 
Hi,

I'm in the market for a new videocard (for a new workstation). I'm
looking for recommendations on what to buy given the following
requirements :

o MUST have two DVI outputs
o MUST be able to drive X with 2x 1600x1200
o MUST be PCIe-16
o SHOULD be passively cooled

An (obvious) non-requirement is fancy-smancy OpenGL support and other
look-at-me-mom-i'm-being-cool-features. Many xterms, some firefox and
a couple of mplayer'ed or VLC'ed video's is all I need.

Of course, the biggest requirement is that it MUST be supported in
OpenBSD/xenocara (-current is OK). An Open Source-friendly vendor is
preferred but I'm afraid the market is in quite a bad state at the
moment.

I had an ATI X1300Pro. It was everything I wanted except for the
OpenBSD-supportedness - I had to pass it off to someone else. I rather
not make the same mistake again, any suggestions ? First-hand
experience much appreciated.

Thanks,

Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd

PS: The machine will probably run amd64 but I'm hoping that the
'supported by OpenBSD/xenocara'-requirement gets me hardware that is
pretty much arch-agnostic. If stuff is very much in development, I'd
settle for i386 as long as it works.



You may try the Matrox G550 PCIe. They are PCIe x1, not x16, but it
should fulfill all your other constraints.

The work on the new avivo driver for ATI X1xxx chipsets should make
the situation better in a couple of month, but it won't be imported
before the OpenBSD 4.2 release. (the nouveau driver should also
improve things on nVidia hardware, but it requires drm, so it's a
longer story).



Re: OT: looking for a videocard

2007-07-16 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2007/07/16 22:36, Matthieu Herrb wrote:

 You may try the Matrox G550 PCIe. They are PCIe x1, not x16, but it
 should fulfill all your other constraints.

Matrox G-series are really great cards for 2D (and the PCI ones are
available very cheaply) but I've always had trouble getting DVI output
working under X with them, do you happen to know if DVI (or dualhead)
still need the binary module these days?



OT: looking for a videocard

2007-07-15 Thread Paul de Weerd
Hi,

I'm in the market for a new videocard (for a new workstation). I'm
looking for recommendations on what to buy given the following
requirements :

o MUST have two DVI outputs
o MUST be able to drive X with 2x 1600x1200
o MUST be PCIe-16
o SHOULD be passively cooled

An (obvious) non-requirement is fancy-smancy OpenGL support and other
look-at-me-mom-i'm-being-cool-features. Many xterms, some firefox and
a couple of mplayer'ed or VLC'ed video's is all I need.

Of course, the biggest requirement is that it MUST be supported in
OpenBSD/xenocara (-current is OK). An Open Source-friendly vendor is
preferred but I'm afraid the market is in quite a bad state at the
moment.

I had an ATI X1300Pro. It was everything I wanted except for the
OpenBSD-supportedness - I had to pass it off to someone else. I rather
not make the same mistake again, any suggestions ? First-hand
experience much appreciated.

Thanks,

Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd

PS: The machine will probably run amd64 but I'm hoping that the
'supported by OpenBSD/xenocara'-requirement gets me hardware that is
pretty much arch-agnostic. If stuff is very much in development, I'd
settle for i386 as long as it works.

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Re: OT: looking for a videocard

2007-07-15 Thread Ioan Nemes
Me to!  But NOT JUST PCIe-16.  I've got some older machines
which have no PCIe-16.

Ioan



 Paul de Weerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] 16/07/2007 07:07 
Hi,

I'm in the market for a new videocard (for a new workstation). I'm
looking for recommendations on what to buy given the following
requirements :

o MUST have two DVI outputs
o MUST be able to drive X with 2x 1600x1200
o MUST be PCIe-16
o SHOULD be passively cooled

An (obvious) non-requirement is fancy-smancy OpenGL support and other
look-at-me-mom-i'm-being-cool-features. Many xterms, some firefox and
a couple of mplayer'ed or VLC'ed video's is all I need.

Of course, the biggest requirement is that it MUST be supported in
OpenBSD/xenocara (-current is OK). An Open Source-friendly vendor is
preferred but I'm afraid the market is in quite a bad state at the
moment.

I had an ATI X1300Pro. It was everything I wanted except for the
OpenBSD-supportedness - I had to pass it off to someone else. I rather
not make the same mistake again, any suggestions ? First-hand
experience much appreciated.

Thanks,

Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd

PS: The machine will probably run amd64 but I'm hoping that the
'supported by OpenBSD/xenocara'-requirement gets me hardware that is
pretty much arch-agnostic. If stuff is very much in development, I'd
settle for i386 as long as it works.

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