Re: OpenBSD as DNS Server - Benchmarked by ISC.. and it's well... :-(

2008-02-25 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
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 The ISC made a benchmark of BIND on serval platforms.
 OpenBSD outperforms Windows but is the slowest (compared to Linux, fBSD,
 nBSD and Solaris!) of the other tested OSs. :-/

If I read the version numbers correctly, they for reasons of their own
stuck with a three to four month old OpenBSD 4.1 prerelease when
something very close to 4.2 is likely to have been available. /If/ I
read the version numbers correctly, that's very odd.

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Re: OpenBSD as DNS Server - Benchmarked by ISC.. and it's well... :-(

2008-02-25 Thread Matthew Weigel

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The ISC made a benchmark of BIND on serval platforms.
OpenBSD outperforms Windows but is the slowest (compared to Linux, fBSD,
nBSD and Solaris!) of the other tested OSs. :-/


This is completely unsurprising, considering that BIND takes advantage 
of multiple processors (the test bed system has four cores) by using 
threads.  It's essentially testing for things that OpenBSD doesn't do, 
so OpenBSD doesn't do well.


What's really amazing is that of the operating systems which let BIND 
use all four cores, the performance varied from NetBSD having a 20% 
performance boost, to Linux which saw a 160% boost.  That looks like the 
limiting factors (once you can spread BIND across all processors) are 
probably things like the ability of the network stack to process all 
those packets - something at which OpenBSD excels.

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 Matthew Weigel
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Re: OpenBSD as DNS Server - Benchmarked by ISC.. and it's well... :-(

2008-02-25 Thread Matthew Dempsky
On 2/25/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The ISC made a benchmark of BIND on serval platforms.
  OpenBSD outperforms Windows but is the slowest (compared to Linux, fBSD,
  nBSD and Solaris!) of the other tested OSs. :-/

Yeah, comparatively, OpenBSD's performance isn't so hot in that
benchmark.  But how many sites get even over 10,000 authoritative
queries per second?

Our network isn't huge (several million HTTP requests per day), but a
brief look at our logs shows we get on the order of 30 queries per
second across our two DNS servers.  From their numbers, our DNS
traffic could grow 1000 fold before that's the limiting factor.

Do other sites have disproportionately more DNS traffic for their
network size than this?



Re: OpenBSD as DNS Server - Benchmarked by ISC.. and it's well... :-(

2008-02-25 Thread sebastian . rother
 I told you before you should use linux.  OpenBSD sucks.

Dude.. wanna bitching again?
You also just see the downsides of something, right?
It was not supposed to show how much OpenBSD sucks!
OpenBSD outperforms still a OS wich is leading in the world.. MS Windows!
Even the IPv6-Part or the Network Stack are far from bein cute or perfect.
And that's the impressiv thing here!

Of course the ISC test was kinda technical with no real life enviroment
at all but it may shows that OpeenBSD still outperforms commercial
Software.

And that's damn great and there's nothing to murn about!

But it wouldn't hurt if you may take it as a little motivation to take a
even closer look to the IP-Stack. You'll be suprised what you might find
propably. *my personal oppinion so flame me privately* :)

Kind regards,
Sebastian



Re: OpenBSD as DNS Server - Benchmarked by ISC.. and it's well... :-(

2008-02-25 Thread Jordi Espasa Clofent

Yeah, comparatively, OpenBSD's performance isn't so hot in that
benchmark.  But how many sites get even over 10,000 authoritative
queries per second?

Our network isn't huge (several million HTTP requests per day), but a
brief look at our logs shows we get on the order of 30 queries per
second across our two DNS servers.  From their numbers, our DNS
traffic could grow 1000 fold before that's the limiting factor.


I agree with yo. My company it's one of the bigger in hosting business 
in my country (Spain), we offer DNS free services and the RRDs monitor 
shows aprox. 80-120 queries per second in each of the three DNS servers.


Despite of that, the improvement of network stack in 4.2 version has 
been amazing.


--
Thanks,
Jordi Espasa Clofent



Re: OpenBSD as DNS Server - Benchmarked by ISC.. and it's well... :-(

2008-02-25 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 09:34:34PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I told you before you should use linux.  OpenBSD sucks.
 
 Dude.. wanna bitching again?

Sure.

 You also just see the downsides of something, right?

Yes, your emails usually show the downside of your intelligence.

 It was not supposed to show how much OpenBSD sucks!
 OpenBSD outperforms still a OS wich is leading in the world.. MS Windows!
 Even the IPv6-Part or the Network Stack are far from bein cute or perfect.
 And that's the impressiv thing here!
 
 Of course the ISC test was kinda technical with no real life enviroment
 at all but it may shows that OpeenBSD still outperforms commercial
 Software.

Nothing technical about it.  I can not even begin to fathom who needs
tens of thousands of DNS queries a second.  No not even root servers
need that.  As usual your drivel does not add anything to this
community.  This performance test is not even remotely interesting.

 
 And that's damn great and there's nothing to murn about!

I am mourning the fact that you use OpenBSD.

 
 But it wouldn't hurt if you may take it as a little motivation to take a
 even closer look to the IP-Stack. You'll be suprised what you might find
 propably. *my personal oppinion so flame me privately* :)

I did, you on the other hand decided to copy misc on your reply.

 
 Kind regards,
 Sebastian



Re: OpenBSD as DNS Server - Benchmarked by ISC.. and it's well... :-(

2008-02-25 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 05:07:15PM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 09:34:34PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I told you before you should use linux.  OpenBSD sucks.
  
  Dude.. wanna bitching again?
 
 Sure.
 
  You also just see the downsides of something, right?
 
 Yes, your emails usually show the downside of your intelligence.

Marco,

I see three things from you (not in order of importance):

(1) Harrassing people like sebastian who are only trolls.

(2) Good code doing very useful things.

(3) Pretty helpful responses to people about anything you've touched in
(2) above.

Thanks for all three! Keep it up!

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Re: OpenBSD as DNS Server - Benchmarked by ISC.. and it's well... :-(

2008-02-25 Thread Aaron Glenn
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 12:34 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  But it wouldn't hurt if you may take it as a little motivation to take a
  even closer look to the IP-Stack. You'll be suprised what you might find
  propably. *my personal oppinion so flame me privately* :)


ignoring the fact that these test is both old and completely useless -
what you need to understand is that the developers and openbsd users
as a whole have their own motivations to find their own surprises.
please stop posting this crap to the list. there's only so low a SNR
some of us can deal with, man.