Re: OpenBSD sysupgrade rocks
Hey Ingo, I think your example is a good example of people asking a question that doesn´t get carried over as a "go, do work dev". That is pretty ok I think. Asking about any future plans is a difference to demanding something/asking misc to implement stuff. For example, I had some serious issues getting wi-fi to work on several notebooks but asking misc why wi-fi isn´t working and if someone could actually solve the issue was no option to me, simply because I couldn´t even nail down where the actual issue was except for "driver problems and/or card not recognised". So I tried to get to a level where I gathered enough informations to ask a proper question. Now the problem is solved so my wi-fi issues are gone for good. :) Have a nice day and stay healthy. Fabian ___ Always exit with 42 to return the answer. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, 21. May 2020 01:43, Ingo Schwarze wrote: > Hi Chris, > > Chris Bennett wrote on Wed, May 20, 2020 at 02:07:27PM -0400: > > > Do the work, a WIP is OK and submit a diff. > > Not a bad idea, put your fingers where your mouth is! > > > Please don't ask for features, once again. > > Really, I mean it. Don't ask for features! > > I disagree. > > About one third of the THANKS section of mandoc(1) release notes > typically consists of thanking people who asked for features. > > Heck, i have even used presentations at international conferences > to thank people who asked for features. > > As an example, i still fondly remember Paul Onyschuk's question > on August 9, 2014: > > "Are there any plans for providing a man(1) command also? This > would make mdocml a possible, standalone replacement for the groff > and man-db combination (typical in Linux distributions)." > > My first impulse was to reply "no, i dislike that idea". > Then i reconsidered, and less then three weeks later, it was done. > Nowadays, i could no longer imagine living without it. > > For details, see pages 40-44 (marked SURPRISE TOPIC) of these slides: > > https://www.openbsd.org/papers/eurobsdcon2014-mandoc-slides.pdf > > The "thank you" mention in particular is on page 43. > > Yours, > Ingo publickey - flauenroth@protonmail.com - 0xD727BBC1.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: OpenBSD sysupgrade rocks
Hi Chris, Chris Bennett wrote on Wed, May 20, 2020 at 02:07:27PM -0400: > Do the work, a WIP is OK and submit a diff. Not a bad idea, put your fingers where your mouth is! > Please don't ask for features, once again. > Really, I mean it. Don't ask for features! I disagree. About one third of the THANKS section of mandoc(1) release notes typically consists of thanking people who asked for features. Heck, i have even used presentations at international conferences to thank people who asked for features. As an example, i still fondly remember Paul Onyschuk's question on August 9, 2014: "Are there any plans for providing a man(1) command also? This would make mdocml a possible, standalone replacement for the groff and man-db combination (typical in Linux distributions)." My first impulse was to reply "no, i dislike that idea". Then i reconsidered, and less then three weeks later, it was done. Nowadays, i could no longer imagine living without it. For details, see pages 40-44 (marked SURPRISE TOPIC) of these slides: https://www.openbsd.org/papers/eurobsdcon2014-mandoc-slides.pdf The "thank you" mention in particular is on page 43. Yours, Ingo
Re: OpenBSD sysupgrade rocks
On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 07:06:05AM +, Frank Beuth wrote: > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 02:07:27PM -0400, Chris Bennett wrote: > > Please don't beg for features. > > That's very irritating and wastes everyone's time. > > > > Please don't ask for features, once again. > > Really, I mean it. Don't ask for features! > > How about a counterpart to `sendbug` called `requestfeature`, which is an > alias to `fortune` run with a file consisting of Theo's snarkiest remarks? Theo's snarkiest remarks are definitely NSFW!
Re: OpenBSD sysupgrade rocks
On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 02:07:27PM -0400, Chris Bennett wrote: Please don't beg for features. That's very irritating and wastes everyone's time. Please don't ask for features, once again. Really, I mean it. Don't ask for features! How about a counterpart to `sendbug` called `requestfeature`, which is an alias to `fortune` run with a file consisting of Theo's snarkiest remarks?
Re: OpenBSD sysupgrade rocks
It is a great tool. This is a good example of something that anyone witha will can come up with. Propose an idea that *YOU* are capable of doing. Ask if such a thing is actually desirable, it might not be. That's OK. Do the work, a WIP is OK and submit a diff. Keep doing the work until usable and see what happens. You wouldn't have to be a top-notch C or Perl, etc. programmer. Anyone can help the project. Please do. Please don't beg for features. That's very irritating and wastes everyone's time. Please don't ask for features, once again. Really, I mean it. Don't ask for features! :-) Chris Bennett
