Re: Use xenodm like startx?
Thu, 31 Jan 2019 17:33:01 +0100 Freddy Fisker > Hi > > I am using the Xfce desktop, and the only thing I am doing is making the > > file with: > > $ echo xfce4-session > ~/.xinitrc > Hi Freddy, Alright, I was running startx pretty happily with an .xinitrc to set up programs started, terminal positions & everything, then along comes the notorious fix and now, it's renamed to .xsession, and xenodm starts it. But now I have to log twice to the console and then again log in to the X display manager, which I totally don't like having to do, a nuisance. The console is used ironically to setup & add ssh agent keys, before X. So that the agent could persist and be used regardless of the X server. With the help of the tips from this thread, now it's back to manual log at the console and running the x alias to start the session. All good. https://man.openbsd.org/xenodm#RESOURCES DisplayManager.*.autoLogin DisplayManager.*.terminateServer The only issue is, these sets of complexities called xenodm, needlessly just because people want to log in a Windows graphical display manager. I just have no use for this login manager stuff, and never had any use, of desktop environments complex dysfunctional distro style all mixed up graphical 'experience'. Plain cwm, simplest X setup and it just works. It would be nicer if we could run X with a session file WITHOUT xenodm. Not sure your suggested xinit is not a fall through of the setuid bug.. 2018-10-26 setuid bit removed from /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg The Xorg binary is no longer installed setuid. So startx(1) can no longer be used by non-root users. The xenodm(1) display manager has to be used. Kind regards, Anton Lazarov > > And then starting the Xfce desktop with the command: > > $ xinit > > > Best regards > Freddy Fisker > > > On Thursday, 31 January 2019 16:55:20 CET, li...@wrant.com wrote: > > Thu, 31 Jan 2019 12:23:08 +0100 Freddy Fisker > >> Hi > >> > >> I have never used the startx command. I use the xinit command > >> together with > >> the ~/.xinitrc file. > > > > Hi Freddy, > > > > Are you referring to a recent OpenBSD, or some other customised variant? > > If that's a bypass of the recent security fixes don't bother responding. > > I'm only interested how it solves or improves on-demand X session model. > > > > Kind regards, > > Anton Lazarov > > > >> Best regards > >> Freddy Fisker > >> > >> > >> On Thursday, 31 January 2019 11:57:12 CET, John Ankarström wrote: ... > > > > > > >
Re: Use xenodm like startx?
My .xsession looks like this:
userresources=$HOME/.Xresources
if [ -f "$userresources" ]; then
/usr/X11R6/bin/xrdb -merge "$userresources"
fi
export ENV='$HOME/.kshrc'
# See /usr/local/share/doc/pkg-readmes/dbus
# if dbus is installed, start its daemon
if [ -x /usr/local/bin/dbus-launch -a -z "${DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS}"
]; then
eval `dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-x11`
fi
# I like my cursor bigger, needs adwaita-icon-theme port
export XCURSOR_PATH="/usr/local/share/icons"
export XCURSOR_THEME=Adwaita
export XCURSOR_SIZE=32
numlockx on &
exec icewm-session
On 1/31/19 10:36 AM, trondd wrote:
On Thu, January 31, 2019 5:57 am, John Ankarström wrote:
Only thing I never figured out is how to make X and xenodm shutdown when
I
exit my window manager.
This too makes me feel like xenodm is far too complex for what I want.
It's not an issue of complexity. It's a different tool that does a
different thing. Bending it to work like something it's not will
inherently have caveats.
The thing is, what we had before was a trivial privilege escalation.
Sometimes you just have to adapt a little and you can benefit greatly from
improvements.
Tim.
Re: Use xenodm like startx?
Hi I am using the Xfce desktop, and the only thing I am doing is making the file with: $ echo xfce4-session > ~/.xinitrc And then starting the Xfce desktop with the command: $ xinit Best regards Freddy Fisker On Thursday, 31 January 2019 16:55:20 CET, li...@wrant.com wrote: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 12:23:08 +0100 Freddy Fisker Hi I have never used the startx command. I use the xinit command together with the ~/.xinitrc file. Hi Freddy, Are you referring to a recent OpenBSD, or some other customised variant? If that's a bypass of the recent security fixes don't bother responding. I'm only interested how it solves or improves on-demand X session model. Kind regards, Anton Lazarov Best regards Freddy Fisker On Thursday, 31 January 2019 11:57:12 CET, John Ankarström wrote: ...
Re: Use xenodm like startx?
Thu, 31 Jan 2019 12:23:08 +0100 Freddy Fisker > Hi > > I have never used the startx command. I use the xinit command together with > the ~/.xinitrc file. Hi Freddy, Are you referring to a recent OpenBSD, or some other customised variant? If that's a bypass of the recent security fixes don't bother responding. I'm only interested how it solves or improves on-demand X session model. Kind regards, Anton Lazarov > Best regards > Freddy Fisker > > > On Thursday, 31 January 2019 11:57:12 CET, John Ankarström wrote: > > trondd wrote: > >> It's not really that complicated. The bare minimum is to copy your > >> .xinitrc to .xsession and then just run xenodm on demand with doas. All > >> the configs already exist in /etc/X11/xenodm. Nothing requires you to run > >> it at startup. > >> > >> Here's what I've done: ... > > > > Hm. Thank you. This works, except the environment in which I > > run xenodm is lost. For example, I have ENV=~/.kshrc in my > > ~/.profile, but this isn't inherited to X11 ... I guess I should > > add these things to my .xsession, but then I'll have it in two > > places instead of once. > > > >> Only thing I never figured out is how to make X and xenodm shutdown when I > >> exit my window manager. > > > > This too makes me feel like xenodm is far too complex for what I want. > > > > > > >
Re: Use xenodm like startx?
On Thu, January 31, 2019 5:57 am, John Ankarström wrote: > >> Only thing I never figured out is how to make X and xenodm shutdown when >> I >> exit my window manager. > > This too makes me feel like xenodm is far too complex for what I want. > It's not an issue of complexity. It's a different tool that does a different thing. Bending it to work like something it's not will inherently have caveats. The thing is, what we had before was a trivial privilege escalation. Sometimes you just have to adapt a little and you can benefit greatly from improvements. Tim.
Re: Use xenodm like startx?
On Thu, January 31, 2019 7:35 am, Bruno Flueckiger wrote: > > Add the following line to /etc/X11/xenodm/xenodm-config: > > DisplayManager.*.terminateServer: true > > Cheers, > Bruno > That doesn't work how you think it does. It does shut down the X server after quitting a window manager but then xenodm will restart X and log you right back in. That option is there is prevent resource leaks between X sessions. Tim.
Re: Use xenodm like startx?
Hi I have never used the startx command. I use the xinit command together with the ~/.xinitrc file. Best regards Freddy Fisker On Thursday, 31 January 2019 11:57:12 CET, John Ankarström wrote: trondd wrote: It's not really that complicated. The bare minimum is to copy your .xinitrc to .xsession and then just run xenodm on demand with doas. All the configs already exist in /etc/X11/xenodm. Nothing requires you to run it at startup. Here's what I've done: ... Hm. Thank you. This works, except the environment in which I run xenodm is lost. For example, I have ENV=~/.kshrc in my ~/.profile, but this isn't inherited to X11 ... I guess I should add these things to my .xsession, but then I'll have it in two places instead of once. Only thing I never figured out is how to make X and xenodm shutdown when I exit my window manager. This too makes me feel like xenodm is far too complex for what I want.
Re: Use xenodm like startx?
On 31.01.19 11:57, John Ankarström wrote: > trondd wrote: > > It's not really that complicated. The bare minimum is to copy your > > .xinitrc to .xsession and then just run xenodm on demand with doas. All > > the configs already exist in /etc/X11/xenodm. Nothing requires you to run > > it at startup. > > > > Here's what I've done: > > Copy your .xinitrc to .xsession > > > > Copy (or modify in place) /etc/X11/xenodm/xenodm-config to $HOME > > > > Edit xenodm-config and add > > DisplayManager*autoLogin: yourusername > > > > Comment out the call to Xsetup so you don't get the xconsole window > > !DisplayManager._0.setup: /etc/X11/xenodm/Xsetup_0 > > > > Then you can alias it to run it on demand. Alias to startx if you want. > > alias xenodm='doas xenodm -config /home/myusername/xenodm-config' > > Hm. Thank you. This works, except the environment in which I run xenodm is > lost. For example, I have ENV=~/.kshrc in my ~/.profile, but this isn't > inherited to X11 ... I guess I should add these things to my .xsession, but > then I'll have it in two places instead of once. You could source either file in your ~/.xsession by adding a line like this to it: . ~/.kshrc Depending on the settings you have in ~/.profile and/or ~/.kshrc this might cause unwanted side effects. You have been warned. > > > Only thing I never figured out is how to make X and xenodm shutdown when I > > exit my window manager. > > This too makes me feel like xenodm is far too complex for what I want. > Add the following line to /etc/X11/xenodm/xenodm-config: DisplayManager.*.terminateServer: true Cheers, Bruno
Re: Use xenodm like startx?
trondd wrote: > It's not really that complicated. The bare minimum is to copy your > .xinitrc to .xsession and then just run xenodm on demand with doas. All > the configs already exist in /etc/X11/xenodm. Nothing requires you to run > it at startup. > > Here's what I've done: > Copy your .xinitrc to .xsession > > Copy (or modify in place) /etc/X11/xenodm/xenodm-config to $HOME > > Edit xenodm-config and add > DisplayManager*autoLogin: yourusername > > Comment out the call to Xsetup so you don't get the xconsole window > !DisplayManager._0.setup: /etc/X11/xenodm/Xsetup_0 > > Then you can alias it to run it on demand. Alias to startx if you want. > alias xenodm='doas xenodm -config /home/myusername/xenodm-config' Hm. Thank you. This works, except the environment in which I run xenodm is lost. For example, I have ENV=~/.kshrc in my ~/.profile, but this isn't inherited to X11 ... I guess I should add these things to my .xsession, but then I'll have it in two places instead of once. > Only thing I never figured out is how to make X and xenodm shutdown when I > exit my window manager. This too makes me feel like xenodm is far too complex for what I want.
Re: Use xenodm like startx?
On Wed, January 30, 2019 8:02 pm, John Ankarström wrote: > Hi, > > I just got OpenBSD installed on my new laptop, and so far, it works great. > But since I applied the latest X11 patch, I can no longer use startx to > launch X11, unless I do it as root, which probably isnâ**t a good idea. > Seems like I have to use xenodm. > > The thing is, xenodm is so complicated in comparison to a simple .xinitrc > + startx. There are so many files I need to set up that I hardly know > where to begin. > > I donâ**t want a login screen, I donâ**t want X11 to launch at startup. I > just want to start X manually from a simple .xinitrc. Surely I canâ**t be > alone. > > Any ideas or tips? > > Best regards > John > It's not really that complicated. The bare minimum is to copy your .xinitrc to .xsession and then just run xenodm on demand with doas. All the configs already exist in /etc/X11/xenodm. Nothing requires you to run it at startup. Here's what I've done: Copy your .xinitrc to .xsession Copy (or modify in place) /etc/X11/xenodm/xenodm-config to $HOME Edit xenodm-config and add DisplayManager*autoLogin: yourusername Comment out the call to Xsetup so you don't get the xconsole window !DisplayManager._0.setup: /etc/X11/xenodm/Xsetup_0 Then you can alias it to run it on demand. Alias to startx if you want. alias xenodm='doas xenodm -config /home/myusername/xenodm-config' Only thing I never figured out is how to make X and xenodm shutdown when I exit my window manager.
Re: Use xenodm like startx?
John Ankarström wrote: > Hi, > > I just got OpenBSD installed on my new laptop, and so far, it works great. > But since I applied the latest X11 patch, I can no longer use startx to > launch X11, unless I do it as root, which probably isn’t a good idea. Seems > like I have to use xenodm. > > The thing is, xenodm is so complicated in comparison to a simple .xinitrc + > startx. There are so many files I need to set up that I hardly know where to > begin. > > I don’t want a login screen, I don’t want X11 to launch at startup. I just > want to start X manually from a simple .xinitrc. Surely I can’t be alone. You can look for the "running Xorg without root" thread on tech from a few weeks ago.
