Re: [mk2-16v] Ethanol Free Gasoline?

['Matthew Yip' via MK2-16v]

Hmm - that's the first time anyone has called my Land Rover a classic.  They 
usually use other names that can't be repeated in mixed company .  
The newer fuel systems use Viton, a rubber derivative that is specifically 
designed to ward off the ill effects of alcohol in the fuel.  The old CIS-E 
systems really, really didn't like alcohol - I knew a fellow that lost several 
engines because alcohol angered the fuel distributor AND the fuel manufacturer 
swore the fuel didn't have any alcohol.  The catch was that the company that 
built the fuel distributor's comment was "That ONLY happens when there's 
alcohol in the fuel - period".   


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Thanks for sharing your classic car fuel regimen.  Good to know.  I don’t mind 
the extra cost since the cost of repairing the damage is higher and time 
consuming.    I wish I had known about the dangers of Ethanol before I let my 
car sit.  It has cost me a lot of time and headaches.    I guess this is how 
you learn things sometimes,  the hard way.  Stabil is your friend…    Btw,  why 
don’t modern cars have these problems – do they use different rubber material 
in fuel system parts which are immune to ethanol effects?    I will see if I 
can find some 92 octane somewhere near.    To reiterate something we discussed 
some months ago,  there is a website that helps you find ethanol free gas 
nearby: http://pure-gas.org/    One related question, if I can only find 89 
Octane Ethanol Free gasoline near me – would any of the octane boost products 
help or are they just snake oil?    Thanks,    -Larry 91 GTI 16V    From: 
mk2-16v@googlegroups.com [mailto:mk2-16v@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of 
charlier...@gmail.com
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To: MK2-16v <mk2-16v@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Larry Velez <la...@sinu.com>
Subject: Re: [mk2-16v] Ethanol Free Gasoline?    I started using ethanol free 
fuel in some of my older vehicles a few years ago. That happened about the time 
when I purchased a new lawn mower. I have also used it occasionally in my 
Toyota Tundra as well. First time I did that was on a towing trip for an 
Antique Car Show. Found a convenience store selling ethanol free fuel right off 
I-81 in Virginia. With the lower gas taxes in VA that made the cost less than 
the ethanol fuel in PA. An added bonus was an 8% increase in fuel mileage when 
using the ethanol free fuel in my Tundra. I found a country store somewhat 
close to my house that sells ethanol free fuel. At the beginning of each summer 
driving season I fill up a few 5 gallon gas containers with ethanol free fuel, 
add some gas stabilizer and I am set. I use this fuel in my '87 GTI 16V, '80 
Rabbit (carb), '81 VW Pickup and lawnmower. Since I do not drive these vehicles 
a lot I do not fill each of their fuel tanks so I do not have a lot of old fuel 
in their tanks. All the VWs I use this fuel in run MUCH better with ethanol 
free fuel especially the '80 Rabbit with the carb. The only downside to ethanol 
free fuel is the higher cost. For me that amounts to around .80 to 1.00 more 
per gallon. For me that is a small price to pay. Would be nice if the local 
Wawa sold ethanol free fuel. That might help get the cost down. BTW, the place 
I get my ethanol free fuel only sells that type of fuel and in 87, 89 and 92 
octane. They do a brisk business with owners of motorcycles, antique vehicles 
and a LOT of Landscape Companies. The volume of sales is good because that 
means they get regular fuel deliveries so their fuel does not get old. It also 
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RE: [mk2-16v] Ethanol Free Gasoline?

[Larry Velez]

Thanks for sharing your classic car fuel regimen.  Good to know.  I don’t mind 
the extra cost since the cost of repairing the damage is higher and time 
consuming.

I wish I had known about the dangers of Ethanol before I let my car sit.  It 
has cost me a lot of time and headaches.

I guess this is how you learn things sometimes,  the hard way.  Stabil is your 
friend…

Btw,  why don’t modern cars have these problems – do they use different rubber 
material in fuel system parts which are immune to ethanol effects?

I will see if I can find some 92 octane somewhere near.

To reiterate something we discussed some months ago,  there is a website that 
helps you find ethanol free gas nearby:  http://pure-gas.org/

One related question, if I can only find 89 Octane Ethanol Free gasoline near 
me – would any of the octane boost products help or are they just snake oil?

Thanks,

-Larry
91 GTI 16V

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Subject: Re: [mk2-16v] Ethanol Free Gasoline?

I started using ethanol free fuel in some of my older vehicles a few years ago. 
That happened about the time when I purchased a new lawn mower. I have also 
used it occasionally in my Toyota Tundra as well. First time I did that was on 
a towing trip for an Antique Car Show. Found a convenience store selling 
ethanol free fuel right off I-81 in Virginia. With the lower gas taxes in VA 
that made the cost less than the ethanol fuel in PA. An added bonus was an 8% 
increase in fuel mileage when using the ethanol free fuel in my Tundra. I found 
a country store somewhat close to my house that sells ethanol free fuel. At the 
beginning of each summer driving season I fill up a few 5 gallon gas containers 
with ethanol free fuel, add some gas stabilizer and I am set. I use this fuel 
in my '87 GTI 16V, '80 Rabbit (carb), '81 VW Pickup and lawnmower. Since I do 
not drive these vehicles a lot I do not fill each of their fuel tanks so I do 
not have a lot of old fuel in their tanks. All the VWs I use this fuel in run 
MUCH better with ethanol free fuel especially the '80 Rabbit with the carb. The 
only downside to ethanol free fuel is the higher cost. For me that amounts to 
around .80 to 1.00 more per gallon. For me that is a small price to pay. Would 
be nice if the local Wawa sold ethanol free fuel. That might help get the cost 
down. BTW, the place I get my ethanol free fuel only sells that type of fuel 
and in 87, 89 and 92 octane. They do a brisk business with owners of 
motorcycles, antique vehicles and a LOT of Landscape Companies. The volume of 
sales is good because that means they get regular fuel deliveries so their fuel 
does not get old. It also helps that they are the only source of this fuel for 
30-40 miles.
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Re: [mk2-16v] Ethanol Free Gasoline?

[charlier180]

FYI, pure-gas.org also has a smartphone app for android phones. I use that 
in combination with the Gas Buddy app to locate sources for fueling.  The 
gas buddy app REALLY comes in handy when I'm traveling to locate local gas 
stations in unfamiliar towns especially since the app gives mileage to the 
station.


On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 12:36:46 PM UTC-5, Larry Velez wrote:
>
> Thanks for sharing your classic car fuel regimen.  Good to know.  I don’t 
> mind the extra cost since the cost of repairing the damage is higher and 
> time consuming.
>
>  
>
> I wish I had known about the dangers of Ethanol before I let my car sit.  
> It has cost me a lot of time and headaches.
>
>  
>
> I guess this is how you learn things sometimes,  the hard way.  Stabil is 
> your friend…
>
>  
>
> Btw,  why don’t modern cars have these problems – do they use different 
> rubber material in fuel system parts which are immune to ethanol effects?
>
>  
>
> I will see if I can find some 92 octane somewhere near.
>
>  
>
> To reiterate something we discussed some months ago,  there is a website 
> that helps you find ethanol free gas nearby:  http://pure-gas.org/ 
>
>  
>
> One related question, if I can only find 89 Octane Ethanol Free gasoline 
> near me – would any of the octane boost products help or are they just 
> snake oil?
>
>  
>
> Thanks,
>
>  
>
> -Larry
>
> 91 GTI 16V
>
>  
>
> *From:* mk2...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> mk2...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *charl...@gmail.com 
> 
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 7, 2015 10:24 AM
> *To:* MK2-16v <mk2...@googlegroups.com >
> *Cc:* Larry Velez <la...@sinu.com >
> *Subject:* Re: [mk2-16v] Ethanol Free Gasoline?
>
>  
>
> I started using ethanol free fuel in some of my older vehicles a few years 
> ago. That happened about the time when I purchased a new lawn mower. I have 
> also used it occasionally in my Toyota Tundra as well. First time I did 
> that was on a towing trip for an Antique Car Show. Found a convenience 
> store selling ethanol free fuel right off I-81 in Virginia. With the lower 
> gas taxes in VA that made the cost less than the ethanol fuel in PA. An 
> added bonus was an 8% increase in fuel mileage when using the ethanol free 
> fuel in my Tundra. I found a country store somewhat close to my house that 
> sells ethanol free fuel. At the beginning of each summer driving season I 
> fill up a few 5 gallon gas containers with ethanol free fuel, add some gas 
> stabilizer and I am set. I use this fuel in my '87 GTI 16V, '80 Rabbit 
> (carb), '81 VW Pickup and lawnmower. Since I do not drive these vehicles a 
> lot I do not fill each of their fuel tanks so I do not have a lot of old 
> fuel in their tanks. All the VWs I use this fuel in run MUCH better with 
> ethanol free fuel especially the '80 Rabbit with the carb. The only 
> downside to ethanol free fuel is the higher cost. For me that amounts to 
> around .80 to 1.00 more per gallon. For me that is a small price to pay. 
> Would be nice if the local Wawa sold ethanol free fuel. That might help get 
> the cost down. BTW, the place I get my ethanol free fuel only sells that 
> type of fuel and in 87, 89 and 92 octane. They do a brisk business with 
> owners of motorcycles, antique vehicles and a LOT of Landscape Companies. 
> The volume of sales is good because that means they get regular fuel 
> deliveries so their fuel does not get old. It also helps that they are the 
> only source of this fuel for 30-40 miles.
>
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Re: [mk2-16v] Ethanol Free Gasoline?

[Les Noriel]

We won't ever see that here on the left coast. I ruined my snow blower by
not cleaning out the tank over the summer and  left crappy Kalifornia gas
in the tank. now have to rebuild the carburetor ( something I've not done
since high school)

Hopefully I'll find time to work on the project GTi this winter.

Les

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Re: [mk2-16v] Ethanol Free Gasoline?

['Matthew Yip' via MK2-16v]

Parts of Northern Virginia only sell 10% ethanol blend - before I found a 
station (actually 2 near my house in BFE Virginia), I went thru 1 lawnmower 
carb, 1 16v GTi transfer pump, 1 lawntractor carb and 1 Land Rover carb.  Now 
that it's winter, the stations near the D of C are switching to their 
oxygenated winter blend fuel that makes the ethanol-blend look GOOD... 


 On Thursday, November 5, 2015 5:45 PM, Les Noriel  
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 We won't ever see that here on the left coast. I ruined my snow blower by not 
cleaning out the tank over the summer and  left crappy Kalifornia gas in the 
tank. now have to rebuild the carburetor ( something I've not done since high 
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Re: [mk2-16v] Ethanol Free Gasoline?

[Steven Arguello]

I blame the ethanol for all my corrosion-in-the-fuel-dizzy issues. A few years 
back, water freezing in the fuel lines was a problem out here in the east. 

On Nov 5, 2015, at 5:32 PM, Larry Velez  wrote:

What's the deal with this new ethanol free gasoline I am seeing at the local 
wawa gas station?

Anyone using this on their mk2?  Would our cars like drinking this stuff much 
better and help prevent the varnish that happens these days on modern gasoline 
which our cars don't like at all..

Larry
91 GTI 16V
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Re: [mk2-16v] Ethanol Free Gasoline?

['Matthew Yip' via MK2-16v]

Ethanol-free gasoline is better all around because it's 100% gasoline instead 
of a hydro-phillic gasoline additive that causes deterioration of older rubber 
bits in the fuel system.  The ethanol blends are so bad that small gasoline 
engine manufacturers (think your lawnmower or tractor) are instructing owners 
to not let the fuel sit for more than 7 days to avoid separation of ethanol in 
the gasoline.  I run 100% gasoline in my Land Rover, not because of it's high 
compression ratio (although I do have the hi-po motor with 8.5:1 compression) 
but rather because the ethanol blend is brutal on the carb and fuel pump.
If you have the option of using 100% gasoline AND you don't drive the car that 
often, by all means, use 100% gasoline.  Regardless of the fuel, of you don't 
use the car that often, add Sta-Bil as well to maintain a prayer of having 
usable gasoline after 30 days.   


 On Thursday, November 5, 2015 5:32 PM, Larry Velez  wrote:
   

  What's the deal with this new ethanol free gasoline I am seeing at the local 
wawa gas station?
Anyone using this on their mk2?  Would our cars like drinking this stuff much 
better and help prevent the varnish that happens these days on modern gasoline 
which our cars don't like at all..
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Re: [mk2-16v] Ethanol Free Gasoline?

[Jack Simon]

Higher octane rating, none of the ethanol related crap problems out there.  
Lotsa people here in South Central PA use it for their small engine devices 
(mowers, chain saws, etc.) as well as their older cars with no problems.  It 
may require a bit of fine tuning to get the best out of it  though.  Google 
it...Jack

On 5 Nov 2015, at 17:32, Larry Velez wrote:

What's the deal with this new ethanol free gasoline I am seeing at the local 
wawa gas station?

Anyone using this on their mk2?  Would our cars like drinking this stuff much 
better and help prevent the varnish that happens these days on modern gasoline 
which our cars don't like at all..


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RE: [mk2-16v] Ethanol Free Gasoline?

[Larry Velez]

I also blame ethanol for all my fuel system headaches.  (also that I should not 
let the car sit for any amount of time)

When I get her up and running again only ethanol free gas..   I found a boat 
gas station with ethanol free gas nearby,  maybe they have something higher 
than 89 octane – I’ll have to call and ask.

-Larry

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Subject: Re: [mk2-16v] Ethanol Free Gasoline?

I blame the ethanol for all my corrosion-in-the-fuel-dizzy issues. A few years 
back, water freezing in the fuel lines was a problem out here in the east.

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wrote:
What's the deal with this new ethanol free gasoline I am seeing at the local 
wawa gas station?

Anyone using this on their mk2?  Would our cars like drinking this stuff much 
better and help prevent the varnish that happens these days on modern gasoline 
which our cars don't like at all..

Larry
91 GTI 16V
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