Re: [MOPO] Condition...

[Robert D. Brooks]

Hey Rich, et al:

Actually, I can't say that I really hate linen-backing.  If you want to see a 
poster as the artist intended it, then you really have no choice.  Well, I 
guess there are a couple of other choices, but they're just as damaging as 
linen-backing.  

I always laugh when I hear about linen-backing being 'totally reversible!'  
Sure, they may use archival materials and water-soluable pigments (not all that 
say they do actually do) - but linen-backing is about as reversible as losing 
your virginity.  Here's a fun test:  Take a brand new sheet of paper, dunk it 
in water, cover one entire side of it in paste and stick it to a rough surface 
and let it dry.  Then, scribble over it with pencil-crayons.  Now, try and 
remove it and erase everything (so, back into the water it goes).  Once it's 
dried again, just how close do you think it's going to be to the crisp, new 
sheet of paper you started with?!?  Reversible my ass...  I've seen tons of 
de-slabbed coins, comics and cards - I've never seen a de-linen-backed poster 
(that wasn't re-backed immediately).  And, for very good reason...

Nappy Yew Hear!

Bob

  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Halegua Comic Art 
  To: mop...@sol03.american.edu 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:19 PM
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] Condition...


  Bob

  there are a few things to point out
  yes, starting from really the 1960s, comics & baseball cards were 
"collected", but they were not published to be collected in the way we think. 
That is, they weren't collected for value until a little later, and with real 
collectors, we never really thought of value until the 1970s. previous to that 
time period, they were seriously only collected for fun to be read. Virtually 
all comics were used  for their intended purpose until the late 1960s which was 
to read and re-read them which is a very damaging pursuit to the comic book.

  Comics as published for collecting began with Conan #1. It was the first 
comic I remember with the snipe "First Issue Collector's Item" or something to 
that effect. This takes into account the previously published comic title 
Marvel Collector's Item Classics, which was never called a collectible title by 
us.

  Comics, with rare exception (and we're talking post-WW2) had print runs of 
usually less than 200,000 copies (Walt Disney's Comics & Stories peaked at 
4million during the 40s and wound down to 500,000 or so in the 50s). Except for 
a spike in the 1960s, comics have had a steady decline in publication numbers 
since the 1940s and today, fewer comics are produced of all titles combined by 
all publishers than any single issue of Walt Disney's Comics & Stories from the 
1940s. Less than 1.5million comics are produced every month now. Of the post 
WW2 era, only the 1980s X-Men #1 with art by Rob Leifeld  was printed in a 
million copy run. The average print run of any comic this month is about 
20-50,000 copies and very few go over that number. I don't think any titles 
reach 100,000 copies anymore.

  that said, the comic investor is as anal as anyone could be. A comic with a 
1/16th inch crease that is otherwise virtually mint is reduced in value by 
8/10th's going from a 10.0 to a 9.8 (slabbed). Maybe even 95/100th's in some 
cases. It is what has made the comic hobby a joke to guys like myself who cut 
our teeth on comics starting in 1962.

  However, in general, I do agree with the gist of your post and I almost 100% 
agree that linenbacking is really a damage to the poster as you do. A Star Wars 
poster that is mint & unbacked should be worth 2-5 times what a linenbacked 
copy is, but obviously a Frankenstein 1sh is a different story, though I would 
prefer one that is not backed myself. (Hey Todd.. I have a few thousand handy.. 
will ya sell me yours pretty please?)

  Now where comes the Heart of a Lion poster that began this:

  when I saw the photo I said to myself "Cool.. I'll put in my bid and that 
poster - though it has some visible tears - is in good enough condition that 
all I have to do is frame it. It will look just fine"

  When the poster got here - crappy packaging and all (and that sellers negs 
are all for crappy packaging - you'd think she'd get it by now), it was very 
clear that not only would the poster NOT look good just framed, but that to 
make it displayable would require $300+ in restoration fees. That in addition 
to the fact that by the time it arrived, due to it's crummy packaging, that it 
was very simply NOT THE ITEM I BID ON ANY LONGER.

  well not interested folks. My intent was to frame up a $250 item, not a 
$600 aggravation and also because I am no longer the "manic" collector that I 
was 20 years ago, I don't care if I have it or not. Interestingly I had this 
conversation with one of my good buddies a couple weeks ago. If my choice for 
something I want is either:
  A) a poster in nice condition that could be framed and look fine 
  or
  B) a poster that I would see restora

Re: [MOPO] HAPPY NEW YEAR, MOPOERS!

[Toochis Morin]

I'll second that, Patrick.  Happy 2009 to all!

Toochis





From: Patrick Michael Tupy 
To: mop...@sol03.american.edu
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 4:54:00 PM
Subject: [MOPO] HAPPY NEW YEAR, MOPOERS!

And may all your New Years Dreams come true...

Patrick

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[MOPO] HAPPY NEW YEAR, MOPOERS!

[Patrick Michael Tupy]

And may all your New Years Dreams come true...

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Re: [MOPO] "Original" DRACULA Poster or worthless Portal Repro?

[Patrick Michael Tupy]

Hell, Todd, if it's a few more zero's you want,  I'll give you,

$00601.0 
0


Rich, you can consider that a snipe.

Patrick


On Dec 31, 2008, at 2:21 PM, Todd Feiertag wrote:


Rich,

Sure, but you might have to first add a few more zeros!!!



Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:18:54 -0800
To: toddfeier...@msn.com; mop...@sol03.american.edu
From: sa...@comic-art.com
Subject: Re: [MOPO] "Original" DRACULA Poster or worthless Portal  
Repro?


will ya take $600


At 02:13 PM 12/31/2008, Todd Feiertag wrote:

I liked the question at the bottom from John asking if she would  
take $600 as a Buy It Now thinking he was going to "steal" an  
original DRACULA One Sheet.  Even on Fleabay these days, you're not  
going to steal a DRACULA One Sheet.


Hi will you take 600 as a buy it now email or call 281-537-1762  
Thanks John


I guess you can't blame the guy for trying!!!

But if you want to start off the new year with something really  
juicy, check out this DRACULA One Sheet!!  It's the real deal!


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? 
ViewItem&rd=1&item=120351444829&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=002







Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:38:34 -0500
From: rixpost...@aol.com
Subject: [MOPO] "Original" DRACULA Poster or worthless Portal Repro?
To: mop...@sol03.american.edu



 This poster seems to be getting a lot of attention---6 bids with 4  
days to go--- for being what appears to be a "Vintage" Portal  
reproduction.  I pity the poor buyer who pays 800 or a thousand  
bucks for a poster that's virtually worthless!

  Rick

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Re: [MOPO] "Original" DRACULA Poster or worthless Portal Repro?

[Todd Feiertag]

Rich,
 
Sure, but you might have to first add a few more zeros!!!



Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:18:54 -0800To: toddfeier...@msn.com; 
mop...@sol03.american.edufrom: sa...@comic-art.comsubject: Re: [MOPO] 
"Original" DRACULA Poster or worthless Portal Repro?will ya take $600At 02:13 
PM 12/31/2008, Todd Feiertag wrote:
I liked the question at the bottom from John asking if she would take $600 as a 
Buy It Now thinking he was going to "steal" an original DRACULA One Sheet.  
Even on Fleabay these days, you're not going to steal a DRACULA One Sheet. Hi 
will you take 600 as a buy it now email or call 281-537-1762 Thanks John I 
guess you can't blame the guy for trying!!!   But if you want to start off the 
new year with something really juicy, check out this DRACULA One Sheet!!  It's 
the real deal! 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120351444829&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=002
   

Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:38:34 -0500From: rixpost...@aol.comsubject: [MOPO] 
"Original" DRACULA Poster or worthless Portal Repro?To: 
mop...@sol03.american.edu  This poster seems to be getting a lot of 
attention---6 bids with 4 days to go--- for being what appears to be a 
"Vintage" Portal reproduction.  I pity the poor buyer who pays 800 or a 
thousand bucks for a poster that's virtually worthless! 
 Rick 
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Re: [MOPO] "Original" DRACULA Poster or worthless Portal Repro?

[Richard Halegua Comic Art]

will ya take $600


At 02:13 PM 12/31/2008, Todd Feiertag wrote:
I liked the question at the bottom from John 
asking if she would take $600 as a Buy It Now 
thinking he was going to "steal" an original 
DRACULA One Sheet.  Even on Fleabay these days, 
you're not going to steal a DRACULA One Sheet.


Hi will you take 600 as a buy it now email or call 281-537-1762 Thanks John

I guess you can't blame the guy for trying!!!

But if you want to start off the new year with 
something really juicy, check out this DRACULA One Sheet!!  It's the real deal!


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120351444829&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=002






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From: rixpost...@aol.com
Subject: [MOPO] "Original" DRACULA Poster or worthless Portal Repro?
To: mop...@sol03.american.edu



 This poster seems to be getting a lot of 
attention---6 bids with 4 days to go--- for 
being what appears to be a "Vintage" Portal 
reproduction.  I pity the poor buyer who pays 
800 or a thousand bucks for a poster that's virtually worthless!

  Rick

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180316921911&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm38%26_nkw%3D180316921911%2B%2B%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1




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Re: [MOPO] "Original" DRACULA Poster or worthless Portal Repro?

[Todd Feiertag]

I liked the question at the bottom from John asking if she would take $600 as a 
Buy It Now thinking he was going to "steal" an original DRACULA One Sheet.  
Even on Fleabay these days, you're not going to steal a DRACULA One Sheet.
 
Hi will you take 600 as a buy it now email or call 281-537-1762 Thanks John
 
I guess you can't blame the guy for trying!!!  
 
But if you want to start off the new year with something really juicy, check 
out this DRACULA One Sheet!!  It's the real deal!
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120351444829&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=002
 
 




Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:38:34 -0500From: rixpost...@aol.comsubject: [MOPO] 
"Original" DRACULA Poster or worthless Portal Repro?To: 
mop...@sol03.american.edu
 
 This poster seems to be getting a lot of attention---6 bids with 4 days to 
go--- for being what appears to be a "Vintage" Portal reproduction.  I pity the 
poor buyer who pays 800 or a thousand bucks for a poster that's virtually 
worthless!
  Rick
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180316921911&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm38%26_nkw%3D180316921911%2B%2B%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1


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Re: [MOPO] Condition...

[Richard Halegua Comic Art]

Bob

there are a few things to point out
yes, starting from really the 1960s, comics & baseball cards were 
"collected", but they were not published to be collected in the way 
we think. That is, they weren't collected for value until a little 
later, and with real collectors, we never really thought of value 
until the 1970s. previous to that time period, they were seriously 
only collected for fun to be read. Virtually all comics were 
used  for their intended purpose until the late 1960s which was to 
read and re-read them which is a very damaging pursuit to the comic book.


Comics as published for collecting began with Conan #1. It was the 
first comic I remember with the snipe "First Issue Collector's Item" 
or something to that effect. This takes into account the previously 
published comic title Marvel Collector's Item Classics, which was 
never called a collectible title by us.


Comics, with rare exception (and we're talking post-WW2) had print 
runs of usually less than 200,000 copies (Walt Disney's Comics & 
Stories peaked at 4million during the 40s and wound down to 500,000 
or so in the 50s). Except for a spike in the 1960s, comics have had a 
steady decline in publication numbers since the 1940s and today, 
fewer comics are produced of all titles combined by all publishers 
than any single issue of Walt Disney's Comics & Stories from the 
1940s. Less than 1.5million comics are produced every month now. Of 
the post WW2 era, only the 1980s X-Men #1 with art by Rob 
Leifeld  was printed in a million copy run. The average print run of 
any comic this month is about 20-50,000 copies and very few go over 
that number. I don't think any titles reach 100,000 copies anymore.


that said, the comic investor is as anal as anyone could be. A comic 
with a 1/16th inch crease that is otherwise virtually mint is reduced 
in value by 8/10th's going from a 10.0 to a 9.8 (slabbed). Maybe even 
95/100th's in some cases. It is what has made the comic hobby a joke 
to guys like myself who cut our teeth on comics starting in 1962.


However, in general, I do agree with the gist of your post and I 
almost 100% agree that linenbacking is really a damage to the poster 
as you do. A Star Wars poster that is mint & unbacked should be worth 
2-5 times what a linenbacked copy is, but obviously a Frankenstein 
1sh is a different story, though I would prefer one that is not 
backed myself. (Hey Todd.. I have a few thousand handy.. will ya sell 
me yours pretty please?)


Now where comes the Heart of a Lion poster that began this:

when I saw the photo I said to myself "Cool.. I'll put in my bid and 
that poster - though it has some visible tears - is in good enough 
condition that all I have to do is frame it. It will look just fine"


When the poster got here - crappy packaging and all (and that sellers 
negs are all for crappy packaging - you'd think she'd get it by now), 
it was very clear that not only would the poster NOT look good just 
framed, but that to make it displayable would require $300+ in 
restoration fees. That in addition to the fact that by the time it 
arrived, due to it's crummy packaging, that it was very simply NOT 
THE ITEM I BID ON ANY LONGER.


well not interested folks. My intent was to frame up a $250 item, 
not a $600 aggravation and also because I am no longer the "manic" 
collector that I was 20 years ago, I don't care if I have it or not. 
Interestingly I had this conversation with one of my good buddies a 
couple weeks ago. If my choice for something I want is either:

A) a poster in nice condition that could be framed and look fine
or
B) a poster that I would see restoration when I looked at rather than 
the "Oh cool.. I like this poster" is useless to me.


Marilyn never wore panties. She said "It ruined the line of vision". 
She felt when a guy was looking at her ass, she didn't want him to 
see her pantyline because it was a distraction. I agree with her. 
Anything that supplants your intended thought or view is a no-no. A 
distraction.


I have  a Tarzan sunday original by Hal Foster from 1934. It's a 
kick-ass page that Al Williamson once offered me 3 pages for. I said 
no and Al never talked to me the same way again.. It is a sweet 
piece. The page (and we're talking about original art folks, not a 
newspaper sheet) was framed in antiquity and in someone's basement 
for 45 years with a piece of the glass broken out. Where the glass 
was missing the paper toned to tan in that area. I have it proudly 
framed - in that condition - and I look at it frequently. When I view 
it, all I see is this wonderful, incredible piece of art.


My friends always ask why I "don't get it bleached out"

It's simple.. It would ruin it for me. I would no longer see "this 
wonderful, incredible piece of art" immediately when I look at it. I 
would see that it was bleached - which is the distraction. I don't 
want that. I want what I have. I'll let some asshole who gets it 
after I die bleach it.


S

Re: [MOPO] "Original" DRACULA Poster or worthless Portal Repro?

[JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia]

One thing she is doing is displaying all the "Questions from other members" for 
all to see. Those make it very clear that the poster is a Portal. She would be 
better off just ending the auction and listing it again with the correct 
description in the correct category.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Halegua Comic Art 
  To: mop...@sol03.american.edu 
  Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:16 AM
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] "Original" DRACULA Poster or worthless Portal Repro?


  for some reason, I don't think this approach is going to work

  also, seeing as she clearly is trying to defraud when she says things like:
   "NOTE;There has been quite a few Emails regarding this posters origins.We 
found this Poster in a back room of a 20s era Movie Theater when We were in 
there searching for the theaters audio equiptment and speakers.We showed 
large,clear images so You can decide for Yourself.We also accidently used the 
auction template from the previous auction which says "No Reserve" The reserve 
is 299.50.Thanks,Sharon"

  well I doubt that she cares and I have no doubt she already knows what it is

  not to mention that her use of written language could use some touchup.. 



  At 12:08 PM 12/31/2008, Patrick Michael Tupy wrote:

Rick, here's what I just sent to her:

Hi, I just saw your auction and whether you know it or not, you are selling 
an obvious 1960's reproduction from Portal Productions as an "Original 1931 
Dracula Movie Poster."  Sure, this is an 'original REPRODUCTION' but it IS a 
reproduction and NOT an Original 1931 Dracula Movie Poster!  And now that you 
know it is a reproduction, if you do not stop this auction today and relist it 
in the proper 'reproduction' auction section I will be contacting Ebay.  If you 
continue with this auction as an ORIGINAL, you are consciously misrepresenting 
your auction by omitting facts that should be revealed to bidders simply to 
make a buck.  And that is fraud, plain and simple.

Patrick

On Dec 31, 2008, at 12:02 PM, rixpost...@aol.com wrote:



   
I received a second email from the seller, referring to her "Revision 
Note"---acting like everything was okay.  Before I even received that from her, 
I filed a report through eBay about the situation, then sent her a third email 
with the final line being " How would you like to buy something on eBay 
thinking it was worth hundreds of dollars only to find out later it was 
worthless?"  
I just received an email back from eBay's "Safe Harbor" dept thanking 
me for my report and saying they'll investigate the situation.  We'll see.




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Re: [MOPO] "Original" DRACULA Poster or worthless Portal Repro?

[Richard Halegua Comic Art]

for some reason, I don't think this approach is going to work

also, seeing as she clearly is trying to defraud when she says things like:
 "NOTE;There has been quite a few Emails regarding this posters 
origins.We found this Poster in a back room of a 20s era Movie 
Theater when We were in there searching for the theaters audio 
equiptment and speakers.We showed large,clear images so You can 
decide for Yourself.We also accidently used the auction template from 
the previous auction which says "No Reserve" The reserve is 
299.50.Thanks,Sharon"


well I doubt that she cares and I have no doubt she already knows what it is

not to mention that her use of written language could use some touchup..



At 12:08 PM 12/31/2008, Patrick Michael Tupy wrote:

Rick, here's what I just sent to her:

Hi, I just saw your auction and whether you know it or not, you are 
selling an obvious 1960's reproduction from Portal Productions as an 
"Original 1931 Dracula Movie Poster."  Sure, this is an 'original 
REPRODUCTION' but it IS a reproduction and NOT an Original 1931 
Dracula Movie Poster!  And now that you know it is a reproduction, 
if you do not stop this auction today and relist it in the proper 
'reproduction' auction section I will be contacting Ebay.  If you 
continue with this auction as an ORIGINAL, you are consciously 
misrepresenting your auction by omitting facts that should be 
revealed to bidders simply to make a buck.  And that is fraud, plain 
and simple.


Patrick

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  I received a second email from the seller, referring to her 
"Revision Note"---acting like everything was okay.  Before I even 
received that from her, I filed a report through eBay about the 
situation, then sent her a third email with the final line being " 
How would you like to buy something on eBay thinking it was worth 
hundreds of dollars only to find out later it was worthless?"
  I just received an email back from eBay's "Safe Harbor" dept 
thanking me for my report and saying they'll investigate the 
situation.  We'll see.





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[MOPO] Misrepresented Day the Earth Stood Still

[JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia]

Hi MoPoers and Happy New Year to you all

Have a look at the following auction for a Day the Earth Stood Still poster.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=290280815420

1. It is listed in the category Entertainment Memorabilia > Movie Memorabilia > 
Posters > Originals-United States > 1980-89

2. It is described as "Vintage" in the title.

3. The description states "Vintage 1980s Re-release poster for the movie "THE 
DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL" starring Michael Rennie, Patricia Neal, Hugh 
Marlowe. This Litho or Poster was produced for the remake of the movie, done by 
FOX, some time during the 1980s.

I think this would lead most buyers to think that they were getting a genuine 
original movie poster albeit a reissue. The poster obviously looks very much 
like the 70s reissue Australian daybill. It is hard to be absolutely sure from 
the photos that it is in fact the 70s release poster so I thought I would 
purchase it to see exactly what it was.

It arrived yesterday and is clearly a copy, printed on different paper to the 
70s reissue daybill. For some reason, the MAPS Litho logo is larger than the 
genuine poster. I believe that these posters were reprinted for sale in a 
retail store but sold as reproductions.

I have contacted the seller but have not received a response as yet. My concern 
is that the seller is listing more of these with one currently on eBay at the 
moment with the same description. Hopefully, they are just unaware of the fact 
that the poster is a copy and will list any more posters as "reproductions".

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As Greg gathered, my first email was extremely polite, thinking that the 
seller would stop the auction. When that didn't occur, I sent a second email 
that was a quite a bit more firm, letting the seller know that she was, in 
fact, committing a fraudulent act by listing the poster as "original" and 
requesting that she stop the auction immediately.  I asked her point blank if 
she felt right selling a worthless poster to some unsuspecting buyer for at 
least $300 and possibly much more.  She has yet to reply to my second email.
Rick





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Re: [MOPO] "Original" DRACULA Poster or worthless Portal Repro?

[Patrick Michael Tupy]

Rick, here's what I just sent to her:

Hi, I just saw your auction and whether you know it or not, you are  
selling an obvious 1960's reproduction from Portal Productions as an  
"Original 1931 Dracula Movie Poster."  Sure, this is an 'original  
REPRODUCTION' but it IS a reproduction and NOT an Original 1931  
Dracula Movie Poster!  And now that you know it is a reproduction, if  
you do not stop this auction today and relist it in the proper  
'reproduction' auction section I will be contacting Ebay.  If you  
continue with this auction as an ORIGINAL, you are consciously  
misrepresenting your auction by omitting facts that should be  
revealed to bidders simply to make a buck.  And that is fraud, plain  
and simple.


Patrick

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  I received a second email from the seller, referring to her  
"Revision Note"---acting like everything was okay.  Before I even  
received that from her, I filed a report through eBay about the  
situation, then sent her a third email with the final line being "  
How would you like to buy something on eBay thinking it was worth  
hundreds of dollars only to find out later it was worthless?"
  I just received an email back from eBay's "Safe Harbor" dept  
thanking me for my report and saying they'll investigate the  
situation.  We'll see.




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Re: [MOPO] "Original" DRACULA Poster or worthless Portal Repro?

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I received a second email from the seller, referring to her  "Revision 
Note"---acting like everything was okay.  Before I even received  that from 
her, I 
filed a report through eBay about the situation, then sent her  a third email 
with the final line being " How would you like to buy something on  eBay 
thinking it was worth hundreds of dollars only to find out later it was  
worthless?" 
 
  I just received an email back from eBay's "Safe Harbor" dept  thanking me 
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Re: [MOPO] "Original" DRACULA Poster or worthless Portal Repro?

[Patrick Michael Tupy]

Okay, so now she has a note in red at the bottom of her pics of the  
Portal Dracula now stating NOTE;There has been quite a few Emails  
regarding this posters origins.We found this Poster in a back room of  
a 20s era Movie Theater when We were in there searching for the  
theaters audio equiptment and speakers.We showed large,clear images  
so You can decide for Yourself.We also accidently used the auction  
template from the previous auction which says "No Reserve" The  
reserve is 299.50.Thanks,Sharon


Of course, she has also been informed of the poster's pedigree which  
she is 'conveniently' not disclosing.  So I am now going to let her  
know that as the poster IS a reprint and NOT 'ORIGINAL 1931' as  
stated in the first word of her auction title, if she doesn't stop  
and relist the auction I am going to notify Ebay.


I think Rick's approach was the right one inasmuch as he gave her  
enough rope to save or hang herself.  She is clearly choosing the  
latter so I can't see how it's ethical not to attempt to stop her  
from actively harming a potential collector who is about to get burned.


I know I would appreciate it if someone stepped in,

Patrick


On Dec 31, 2008, at 11:19 AM, rixpost...@aol.com wrote:




  As Greg gathered, my first email was extremely polite, thinking  
that the seller would stop the auction. When that didn't occur, I  
sent a second email that was a quite a bit more firm, letting the  
seller know that she was, in fact, committing a fraudulent act by  
listing the poster as "original" and requesting that she stop the  
auction immediately.  I asked her point blank if she felt right  
selling a worthless poster to some unsuspecting buyer for at least  
$300 and possibly much more.  She has yet to reply to my second email.
   
Rick




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Re: [MOPO] "Original" DRACULA Poster or worthless Portal Repro?

[Patrick Michael Tupy]

Hey, folks, I'm ready to write to her as well but as I have been out  
of contact buying or selling on Ebay for months and months, does it  
do any good to
alert Ebay to the situation?  Or do they not give two, much less, one  
hoot?


Patrick


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  As Greg gathered, my first email was extremely polite, thinking  
that the seller would stop the auction. When that didn't occur, I  
sent a second email that was a quite a bit more firm, letting the  
seller know that she was, in fact, committing a fraudulent act by  
listing the poster as "original" and requesting that she stop the  
auction immediately.  I asked her point blank if she felt right  
selling a worthless poster to some unsuspecting buyer for at least  
$300 and possibly much more.  She has yet to reply to my second email.
   
Rick




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Re: [MOPO] "Original" DRACULA Poster or worthless Portal Repro?

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As Greg gathered, my first email was extremely polite, thinking that  the 
seller would stop the auction. When that didn't occur, I sent a second email  
that was a quite a bit more firm, letting the seller know that she was, in 
fact,  
committing a fraudulent act by listing the poster as "original" and 
requesting  that she stop the auction immediately.  I asked her point blank if 
she felt 
 right selling a worthless poster to some unsuspecting buyer for at least 
$300  and possibly much more.  She has yet to reply to my second email.
   
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Re: [MOPO] "Original" DRACULA Poster or worthless Portal Repro?

[jbirddouglass]

I wrote this note to the seller. It might be of use to Mr. Eyssell as 
well. I spent a lot of time in Sausalito in the Sixties, and these 
repros were in every gift shop. I've had lots of them cross my path in 
the hands of excited would-be millionaires. Here you go:
"The poster is 100%, absolutely, undoubtedly a reproduction. There have 
been a lot of honest mistakes with these on Ebay, and a lot of 
confusion. It comes from Portal Publications of Sausalito, and was 
published in the mid 1960s as part of a series of classic film posters. 
All one sheet posters were 27 X 41"; all Portals were about the same 
size as your poster, 29 X 31". The 1931 in the corner is another 
indication of the provenance of this piece. If the lower border were 
whole, you would see the address of Portal, which includes a zip code. 
Zip codes weren't around until the early Sixties. I know you had no 
intent to defraud, but I've been collecting posters for over 45 years, 
and this is absolutely a Portal reprint, worth perhaps 10-25 bucks in 
its present condition. Prints in better shape actually sell for $50-100 
for some titles. Did you find any other posters back there? Hopefully, 
they left a few of the real deals in that dusty back room!"
Hopefully, the seller will get the point. Rick and I couldn't be more 
clear (and, while i haven't read Rick's email, I'm sure he was 
unfailingly polite.)

Greg Douglass
PS-Happy New Year, y'all
Eysselts, Thomas H. wrote:


Happy new year everyone! I am comic book guy with a passion for old 
movies (hence my membership on this list). I have enjoyed all the 
conversation, but hope you don’t mind if I ask a newbie question – 
what is it about the Dracula poster that makes it obviously a 
reproduction?


Thanks, all!

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*To:* mop...@sol03.american.edu
*Subject:* Re: [MOPO] "Original" DRACULA Poster or worthless Portal Repro?

I already contacted the seller to inform him (her) of the listing's 
error. I received an email back saying simply "thanks for the info". 
We'll see what happens...






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Re: [MOPO] "Original" DRACULA Poster or worthless Portal Repro?

[Richard Halegua Comic Art]

welcome fellow comic book guy

what makes it an obvious repro:
#1 it is a portal reproductions poster because
#2 no theatrical poster for this title looks like 
it, nly the Portal Repro from the 1970s


Rich


At 09:26 AM 12/31/2008, Eyssell, Thomas H. wrote:
Happy new year everyone! I am comic book guy 
with a passion for old movies (hence my 
membership on this list). I have enjoyed all the 
conversation, but hope you don’t mind if I ask a 
newbie question – what is it about the Dracula 
poster that makes it obviously a reproduction?


Thanks, all!

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To: mop...@sol03.american.edu
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  I already contacted the seller to inform him 
(her) of the listing's error.  I received an 
email back saying simply "thanks for the info".  We'll see what happens...




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Re: [MOPO] "Original" DRACULA Poster or worthless Portal Repro?

[Eyssell, Thomas H.]

Happy new year everyone! I am comic book guy with a passion for old
movies (hence my membership on this list). I have enjoyed all the
conversation, but hope you don't mind if I ask a newbie question - what
is it about the Dracula poster that makes it obviously a reproduction?

 

Thanks, all!

 

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To: mop...@sol03.american.edu
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error.  I received an email back saying simply "thanks for the info".
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Re: [MOPO] "Original" DRACULA Poster or worthless Portal Repro?

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I already contacted the seller to inform him (her) of the listing's  error.  
I received an email back saying simply "thanks for the info".   We'll see what 
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Re: [MOPO] Probably just the tip of the iceberg

[Evan Zweifel]

You have glimpsed the future!  

I am reminded of the qwest commercial a few years ago, when a guy checks into a 
motel and the girl behind the counter says "all rooms have every movie ever 
made in any language day or night".  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ9qcp6Lcno

We have digital theaters here in Fort Collins which not only show live events, 
but also first run films in amazing detail.

Does anyone on this list have experience using Netflix's Roku (or similar)?  
What kind of resolution does that have? DVD? HD?

Evan
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Last Tango In Paris:  http://www.hulu.com

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Re: [MOPO] "Original" DRACULA Poster or worthless Portal Repro? NY TIMES SOLUTION

[McDaniel Kirby]

That's a question for Randy Cohen, THE ETHICIST at the New York  
Times.


http://topics.nytimes.com/top/features/magazine/columns/the_ethicist/index.html

Go ahead, Cory, write it up and send it in.  Let's see if he answers.   
It's a good question, actually.

I believe it's certainly ethical to contact the seller.


Happy New Year, Ya'll

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On Dec 31, 2008, at 10:18 AM, Cory glaberson wrote:

Is it ethical to tell the high bidders that the poster is a  
reproduction?

Is it ethical to tell the seller its a reproductiion?
Should we get involved?
  I would hate to see a budding collector turned off the hobby  
because of this  (lets be charitable) mistake by a amateur seller.


Cory Glaberson


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Re: [MOPO] "Original" DRACULA Poster or worthless Portal Repro?

[Cory glaberson]

Is it ethical to tell the high bidders that the poster is a reproduction?
Is it ethical to tell the seller its a reproductiion?
Should we get involved?
   I would hate to see a budding collector turned off the hobby because of 
this   (lets be charitable) mistake by a amateur seller.

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Re: [MOPO] "Original" DRACULA Poster or worthless Portal Repro?

[Patrick Michael Tupy]

Hmmm, wonder what is the record high price for a Portal Productions  
poster?


Yikes...

Patrick


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 This poster seems to be getting a lot of attention---6 bids with 4  
days to go--- for being what appears to be a "Vintage" Portal  
reproduction.  I pity the poor buyer who pays 800 or a thousand  
bucks for a poster that's virtually worthless!

  Rick

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[MOPO] "Original" DRACULA Poster or worthless Portal Repro?

[Rixposterz]

This poster seems to be getting a lot of attention---6 bids with 4  days to 
go--- for being what appears to be a "Vintage" Portal  reproduction.  I pity 
the poor buyer who pays 800 or a thousand bucks for a  poster that's virtually 
worthless!
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Re: [MOPO] Condition...

[Bruce Hershenson]

Wait unitl the "investment boys" get going with "slabbing" (first lobby
cards, eventually everything).

Then condition won't just be important, it will be the ONLY thing they care
about (a pure mint "unrestored" card from a crappy 1940s movie will likely
sell for more than a "fair" condition restored Casablanca card)!

Don't laugh, because they have successfully done it in other hobbies, and
those with a real love of the items slowly leave the hobby and are slowly
replaced by "investment types" (with no love of what they are buying, just
buying because they are told they are "good investments).

35 years ago, when these guys came into the comic book hobby and pretty much
ruined it, a good friend of mine named Joe Brancatelli wrote a great article
that pretty much nailed how it was ruining the hobby for those who really
loved the comics themselves. He described how at comic book conventions,
collectors *USED* to gather together and discuss their favorite comics and
the stories they contained, and how now "investors" would gather together
and discuss "pricing trends".

He concluded by facetiously saying that he passed by a group of "investors"
and watched as one of them dropped some ketchup from his cheeseburger onto
one of his purchases (this was in the pre-slabbing days). He said that true
collectors would have been greatly saddened to have a precious comic
stained, but that the investor merely opened his trusty price guide and
turned to the section on "stains" to see how much less his "investment" was
worth!

I think this hobby may be pretty unrecognizable in 10 years, especially once
many of those with true love of the paper have exited (either out of
disgust, or because they have passed on).

Bruce

On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 7:34 AM, Phil Edwards  wrote:

>  MOPO post of the year (2008) and far from a rant. What long time poster
> dealers and collectors have always known.
>
>
> Already in 2009 down under (just).
>
> Happy New Year.
> Phil
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Robert D. Brooks 
> *To:* mop...@sol03.american.edu
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 31, 2008 6:41 PM
> *Subject:* [MOPO] Condition...
>
> OK, I'm going to go off on a rant here...  Been meaning to write this post
> for years, but never got around to it...
>
> Over the last 5 years, movie poster collectors have gotten a lot more
> condition-conscious.  No offense, but those people just don't understand the
> first thing about movie poster collecting, and haven't bothered to think
> about it in the slightest.  They just look at coin and stamp collecting,
> comic books, sportscards, etc... and (wrongly) assume that the same issues
> transfer over to poster collecting.  They don't.  Not in the slightest.
>
> Let me explain...
>
> Collecting is ALL about rarity.  But, sportscards and coins and stamps
> AREN'T rare...  Movie posters are...  It's NOT the same thing.
>
> Let's break down the important factors...
>
> Sportscards:
> quantity - millions of each card
> issued - mint
> meant to be collected
> slight damage with use
> available to the general public
> typical display method - protects and does no damage
>
> Stamps:
> quantity - up to tens or hundreds of millions of each stamp
> issued - mint
> (somewhat) meant to be collected
> damaged with use
> available to the general public
> typical display method - protects and does no damage
>
> Coins:
> quantity - up to tens or hundreds of millions of each coin
> issued - mint
> (somewhat) meant to be collected
> slight damage with use
> available to the general public
> typical display method - protects and does no damage
>
> Comics:
> quantity - up to hundreds of thousands or millions of each comic
> issued - mint
> meant to be collected
> minimal damage with use
> available to the general public
> typical display method - protects and does no damage
>
> Paper Money:
> quantity - up to tens of millions of each bill
> issued - mint
> (somewhat) meant to be collected
> slight damage with use
> available to the general public
> typical display method - protects and does no damage
>
> Notice how there were huge amounts of each produced, and each was saved in
> massive quantities (with insane amounts of mintstate or near-mintstate
> examples of each item).
>
> Now, here is where we see some important differences.
>
> Movie Posters:
> quantity - only THOUSANDS of each poster
> issued - DAMAGED (folded)
> NOT meant to be collected
> destroyed after use
> NOT available to the general public
> NOT saved in massive quantities
> typical display method (linenbacking) - COMPLETELY DESTROYS POSTER
>
> Comics, coins, stamps, paper money and sportscards ALL need to create
> artificial scarcity, since each is available in such massive quantities, in
> decent condition.  That's why there's been such an explosion of 3rd party
> grading services recently.  They need a way to separate these huge
> quantities and make some identical items more desirable than others,
> otherwise, none of them would be

Re: [MOPO] Condition...

[Phil Edwards]

MOPO post of the year (2008) and far from a rant. What long time poster dealers 
and collectors have always known.


Already in 2009 down under (just).

Happy New Year.
Phil



  - Original Message - 
  From: Robert D. Brooks 
  To: mop...@sol03.american.edu 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 6:41 PM
  Subject: [MOPO] Condition...


  OK, I'm going to go off on a rant here...  Been meaning to write this post 
for years, but never got around to it...  

  Over the last 5 years, movie poster collectors have gotten a lot more 
condition-conscious.  No offense, but those people just don't understand the 
first thing about movie poster collecting, and haven't bothered to think about 
it in the slightest.  They just look at coin and stamp collecting, comic books, 
sportscards, etc... and (wrongly) assume that the same issues transfer over to 
poster collecting.  They don't.  Not in the slightest.  

  Let me explain...

  Collecting is ALL about rarity.  But, sportscards and coins and stamps AREN'T 
rare...  Movie posters are...  It's NOT the same thing.

  Let's break down the important factors...

  Sportscards:
  quantity - millions of each card
  issued - mint
  meant to be collected
  slight damage with use
  available to the general public
  typical display method - protects and does no damage

  Stamps:
  quantity - up to tens or hundreds of millions of each stamp
  issued - mint
  (somewhat) meant to be collected
  damaged with use
  available to the general public
  typical display method - protects and does no damage

  Coins:
  quantity - up to tens or hundreds of millions of each coin
  issued - mint
  (somewhat) meant to be collected
  slight damage with use
  available to the general public
  typical display method - protects and does no damage

  Comics:
  quantity - up to hundreds of thousands or millions of each comic
  issued - mint
  meant to be collected
  minimal damage with use
  available to the general public
  typical display method - protects and does no damage

  Paper Money:
  quantity - up to tens of millions of each bill
  issued - mint
  (somewhat) meant to be collected
  slight damage with use
  available to the general public
  typical display method - protects and does no damage

  Notice how there were huge amounts of each produced, and each was saved in 
massive quantities (with insane amounts of mintstate or near-mintstate examples 
of each item).

  Now, here is where we see some important differences.

  Movie Posters:
  quantity - only THOUSANDS of each poster
  issued - DAMAGED (folded)
  NOT meant to be collected
  destroyed after use
  NOT available to the general public
  NOT saved in massive quantities
  typical display method (linenbacking) - COMPLETELY DESTROYS POSTER

  Comics, coins, stamps, paper money and sportscards ALL need to create 
artificial scarcity, since each is available in such massive quantities, in 
decent condition.  That's why there's been such an explosion of 3rd party 
grading services recently.  They need a way to separate these huge quantities 
and make some identical items more desirable than others, otherwise, none of 
them would be worth anything.  That's why you have such ridiculous condition 
premiums.  There's probably twenty Barry Bonds rookie cards for every 
sportscard collector out there.  So, they shouldn't be worth that much at all.  
They only are because of the artificial scarcity of condition that's been 
imposed on the market.

  Now, I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a premium for mint posters - but 
it should be nowhere near the premium in other hobbies.  Nowhere even remotely 
close (despite what some poster collectors seem to think)...  There's only a 
few known copies of many of the top movie posters.  Do you really think the one 
in the worst condition is worth a fraction of 1 percent of the one in the best 
condition???  Of course not.  The premium is miniscule in our hobby.

  There's tons of reasons why condition is important in those other hobbies - 
there's virtually NO reason why condition is important in movie poster 
collecting.

  If comics, sportscards, coins, etc... were issued DAMAGED, in miniscule 
quantities, to insiders only, and were irreparably damaged in the slabbing 
process, then the condition-conscious amongst us MIGHT have a point.  But, they 
weren't...  You can easily compare collecting coins to comics.  You can compare 
sportscards to stamps.  Paper money to comics.  YOU CANNOT compare any of those 
to movie posters.  It's a completely different hobby - with completely 
different issues, despite the fact that, at first glance, they appear to be 
very similar hobbies with very similar issues.  

  Almost NO comics, coins, stamps, etc... are the only known copy.  Virtually 
none.  Whereas, there are literally hundreds or even thousands of posters that 
are one of one.  When you are talking about THAT kind of rarity - condition is 
NOT an issue.  Heck, even the most abundant movie pos

Re: [MOPO] eBay seller Isaacmuzzy is a crook

[Franc]

IT's bad business all around. A seller should not use stock photos
unless, they are selling identical items that do not differ from each
other, such as a Norelco Shaver # 56789. FRANC  

-Original Message-
From: Richard Halegua Comic Art [mailto:sa...@comic-art.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 9:25 PM
To: Richard Evans; mop...@sol03.american.edu; Roger Kim; Franc; Patrick
Michael Tupy
Subject: Re: [MOPO] eBay seller Isaacmuzzy is a crook


Folks

I think some of you don't understand what's going on so let me 
clarify a couple things

#1 the image being used is a "stock photo"
the seller had several copies of this poster & sold the first one for
$600+ I cannot find that sale. it was from her own email

#2 the poster has been listed twice since I won the auction and every 
time, the buyer re-used the same pictures

the auction I won
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310099293533

the most recent auction
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&i
tem=310110499915

in addition, she sold another copy in between
but I was in LA at the time, so I can't find the link

it's the same as if you went to a car lot because yuo saw a 1975 
Vette that looked great in the ad and then you get there and the car 
doesn't look anything like the pic in the ad.. it's called "bait and 
switch" and even though in this case the seller seems to think there 
is no difference between what she advertised and what I got, the fact 
that her communication has been considerably less than satisfactory 
and etc.. well of course the seller is an idiot. How can you think 
anything else??

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Re: [MOPO] eBay seller Isaacmuzzy is a crook

[Franc]

I can see how you misinterpreted what I meant because I didn't express
it very well. When I said "it doesn't matter", what I meant to say was
"it doesn't even matter if the seller had the correct picture up, she
should return your money anyway". Of course it matters if the seller
puts up fraudulent pictures and she shouldn't get a pass for that.
FRANC

-Original Message-
From: Patrick Michael Tupy [mailto:tellta...@mac.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 9:03 PM
To: Franc
Cc: mop...@sol03.american.edu
Subject: Re: [MOPO] eBay seller Isaacmuzzy is a crook


Well, Franc, kinda have to disagree with you.  Sure it arrived  
damaged, sure the seller should return
Rich's money, but to give the seller a pass for the high possibility  
that they were patently dishonest and
doctored or 'massaged' their Ebay images to fraudulently present the  
poster in a better condition than
it was, does matter.

If they were merely guilty of horrific packaging, that's likely  
carelessness and negligence.  But if that IS
the same poster and the images were doctored not to show the massive  
tear, then that shows some
pre-meditation, and a cognizance that the poor condition of the  
poster would not bring a high price, ergo
their motive to doctor the pics.

Franc, I doubt you were suggesting that doctoring images is an  
acceptable practice as long as the seller refunds
an unhappy buyer's purchase price.  For what would follow, as may be  
Rich's experience in this case, if the
seller is commonly fraudulent and then they make Rich wait weeks for  
a refund, that, in itself is no evidence of A**holiness,
for this Seller is only being consistent and clearly had class with a  
capital 'A' to begin with.

Patrick


On Dec 30, 2008, at 5:30 PM, Franc wrote:

> It doesn't matter if it's the same poster or not. The poster
> apparently
> arrived damaged beyond reason. The seller should return the money  
> to the
> buyer in the interest of good business. But if you're waiting for  
> three
> weeks for a refund, this seller is either an A**hole or a crook or  
> both.
> FRANC
>
> -Original Message-
> From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@sol03.american.edu] On Behalf Of
> Richard
> Halegua Comic Art
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 4:39 PM
> To: mop...@sol03.american.edu
> Subject: [MOPO] eBay seller Isaacmuzzy is a crook
>
>
> hey folks
>
> I have to post this one.. looks like I have been screwed by an ebay
> seller who apparently used a stock image for a 1917 poster I won
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310099293533
>
> the poster I received was shredded on both sides due to rotten
> shipping and the tear which is shown as a few inches in the photo was
> a 23 inch jagged tear
>
> here are pics I took before I shipped it back
> http://www.movieposterbid.com/0heart/
>
> item was returned to the seller 3 weeks ago & as yet the seller has
> not refunded my money
>
> everyone should clearly avoid such a seller, especially as Paypal has
> refused to refund my money - $250. (I'll be on the phone with those
> a**holes shortly)
>
> The seller frequently has silent posters and I have to presume she is
> no more honest with those listings than she was with my win
>
> Rich=
>
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[MOPO] Condition...

[Robert D. Brooks]

OK, I'm going to go off on a rant here...  Been meaning to write this post for 
years, but never got around to it...  

Over the last 5 years, movie poster collectors have gotten a lot more 
condition-conscious.  No offense, but those people just don't understand the 
first thing about movie poster collecting, and haven't bothered to think about 
it in the slightest.  They just look at coin and stamp collecting, comic books, 
sportscards, etc... and (wrongly) assume that the same issues transfer over to 
poster collecting.  They don't.  Not in the slightest.  

Let me explain...

Collecting is ALL about rarity.  But, sportscards and coins and stamps AREN'T 
rare...  Movie posters are...  It's NOT the same thing.

Let's break down the important factors...

Sportscards:
quantity - millions of each card
issued - mint
meant to be collected
slight damage with use
available to the general public
typical display method - protects and does no damage

Stamps:
quantity - up to tens or hundreds of millions of each stamp
issued - mint
(somewhat) meant to be collected
damaged with use
available to the general public
typical display method - protects and does no damage

Coins:
quantity - up to tens or hundreds of millions of each coin
issued - mint
(somewhat) meant to be collected
slight damage with use
available to the general public
typical display method - protects and does no damage

Comics:
quantity - up to hundreds of thousands or millions of each comic
issued - mint
meant to be collected
minimal damage with use
available to the general public
typical display method - protects and does no damage

Paper Money:
quantity - up to tens of millions of each bill
issued - mint
(somewhat) meant to be collected
slight damage with use
available to the general public
typical display method - protects and does no damage

Notice how there were huge amounts of each produced, and each was saved in 
massive quantities (with insane amounts of mintstate or near-mintstate examples 
of each item).

Now, here is where we see some important differences.

Movie Posters:
quantity - only THOUSANDS of each poster
issued - DAMAGED (folded)
NOT meant to be collected
destroyed after use
NOT available to the general public
NOT saved in massive quantities
typical display method (linenbacking) - COMPLETELY DESTROYS POSTER

Comics, coins, stamps, paper money and sportscards ALL need to create 
artificial scarcity, since each is available in such massive quantities, in 
decent condition.  That's why there's been such an explosion of 3rd party 
grading services recently.  They need a way to separate these huge quantities 
and make some identical items more desirable than others, otherwise, none of 
them would be worth anything.  That's why you have such ridiculous condition 
premiums.  There's probably twenty Barry Bonds rookie cards for every 
sportscard collector out there.  So, they shouldn't be worth that much at all.  
They only are because of the artificial scarcity of condition that's been 
imposed on the market.

Now, I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a premium for mint posters - but it 
should be nowhere near the premium in other hobbies.  Nowhere even remotely 
close (despite what some poster collectors seem to think)...  There's only a 
few known copies of many of the top movie posters.  Do you really think the one 
in the worst condition is worth a fraction of 1 percent of the one in the best 
condition???  Of course not.  The premium is miniscule in our hobby.

There's tons of reasons why condition is important in those other hobbies - 
there's virtually NO reason why condition is important in movie poster 
collecting.

If comics, sportscards, coins, etc... were issued DAMAGED, in miniscule 
quantities, to insiders only, and were irreparably damaged in the slabbing 
process, then the condition-conscious amongst us MIGHT have a point.  But, they 
weren't...  You can easily compare collecting coins to comics.  You can compare 
sportscards to stamps.  Paper money to comics.  YOU CANNOT compare any of those 
to movie posters.  It's a completely different hobby - with completely 
different issues, despite the fact that, at first glance, they appear to be 
very similar hobbies with very similar issues.  

Almost NO comics, coins, stamps, etc... are the only known copy.  Virtually 
none.  Whereas, there are literally hundreds or even thousands of posters that 
are one of one.  When you are talking about THAT kind of rarity - condition is 
NOT an issue.  Heck, even the most abundant movie poster is exceedingly rare 
when compared to the numbers in all those other hobbies.  There's not a hundred 
thousand Lawrence of Arabia roadshow one sheets out there - so there's 
absolutely NO need to separate the best from the worst, like there is in all 
those other hobbies.

A penny in G condition might be worth less than a dollar.  That same penny in 
MS-69 might be worth ten thousand.  The MS-69 is worth so much more, because 
it's literally one in