Re: [MOPO] THIS IS THE MOST RIDICULOUS POST EVER>>>>>Re: [MOPO] FA: What can I can invest in that has not gone sky high in recent years?

[Roland Lataille]

 Back in the 1980's Action comic number 1 was what $10,000? Now it's 
$3,000,000. 
Bought a bunch of 3-D comics for $10 a year ago on eBay. All in plastic bags 
and look like they were never read. One of them was Space Vixens which sold for 
over $1,000 on eBay and Heritage recently. 
You never know.
On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 11:38:02 PM EDT, Johnson Tom 
 wrote:  
 
 Well..as a collector, I couldn't be happier that prices have stalled out. In 
50 years I have never bought a poster as an investment, unless I found an 
incredible deal that could help me roll it over into something I wanted. I'd be 
thrilled if the bottom fell completely out of the market. With my finances and 
collecting field I can only afford to buy a couple of posters a year--if prices 
dumped further I'd be all over it. I've thoroughly enjoyed selling off my other 
collectibles that did jump way up in value and using that money to buy movie 
posters. If posters are an investment to you...guess you shoulda bought Apple 
at $35 and Amazon at $76 instead of Maltese Falcon at $67,000. oops. I did both 
of the former. Can't wait to sell my shares for for Forbidden Planet at $1500. 

On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 7:42 PM Richard Halegua MPB.auction 
 wrote:

  
your better posters would do much better at Heritage, no question.
 

 
 On 10/18/2023 7:39 PM, Glenn Taranto wrote:
  
  I've told my Niece and Nephew that when I go to send my posters to Bruce.  
  Explaining, "You'll likely never get what I paid for them but it'll be money 
in your pocket you wouldn't have had otherwise. Even if it's five bucks, get a 
cup of coffee and think of me!" 
  Glenn T.
  
  
   
  On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 7:30 PM Richard Halegua MPB.auction 
 wrote:
  
  of all the ridiculous posts I see people make about collectibles in general, 
and movie posters in particular, this one was an absolute laugh. 
  Pay attention folks: as far as 'investments' go, movie posters has, sadly, 
shown itself to be among the least best candidates for a place to invest money 
and after the author of this post says 
  "..what is something I can invest in that has not gone sky high in recent 
years?". Can I self-servingly suggest vintage movie paper?" 
  the author follows it with "..it is 100% true that a LOT of vintage movie 
posters sell for the same or similar prices that they did 20 or more years ago, 
including both great ones and lesser ones!" 
  and "..most are at huge discounts to prices of the same or similar items many 
years ago!"
 
 does the author not understand that these statements are the opposite of 
"posters are a good investment" 
  listen, I'm in this business and have been for a very long time, and I would 
love for my Raymond Chandler collection, or my German posters for Fritz Lang 
films or for gosh sakes my many thousands of gambling themed movie posters & 
lobby cards to be worth an investment, but they aren't. I think I'll be lucky 
to be able to get anything close to my money back, should I ever be selling 
these holdings (likely I'll never get there, seeing as I have 300,000 other 
posters to sell first as well as a couple hundred thousand non poster items 
from comics to art to any kind of paper you can imagine). (note: 50s horror & 
sci-fi has topped out, as has, apparently, Universal horror)
  
  Sure, if you only have Star Wars posters, or a very narrow title range of 
1970s-2000's posters, there is some investment value. But as a general rule, 
poster values are in the negative, not the positive. 
  Forbidden Planet was a keystone title in posters for decades, but it hasn't 
really increased in value in any fashion at all, and if the one I sold in 2005 
for $8500 is only worth $8500 today, that is not an investment, that is a 
negative money play, as that $8500, even in just a 2% bank account would be 
over $13,000 today. Any comic book I could have bought in 2005 for $8500 - and 
I mean ANY - would be worth at least twice that and more likely is a $20-50k 
item today. If you bought an $8500 copy of Amazing Fantasy 15 in 2005, it is 
likely $100k today.maybe more come to think of it.
  
  I wish all the way down to my toes that posters were a good investment, but 
unless you buy them at low wholesale rates, like dealers do, there is literally 
no-investment and I think that every dealer, including the one who posted that 
ridiculous email, knows the truth of this. 
  movie posters as investment.. what a laugh 
  
  "On 10/18/2023 5:47 AM, Bruce Hershenson wrote:
  
 People keep saying to me "Bruce, what is something I can invest in that has 
not gone sky high in recent years?". Can I self-servingly suggest vintage movie 
paper?
 
 It might SEEM like I am saying this because that is my livelihood, but it is 
100% true that a LOT of vintage movie posters sell for the same or similar 
prices that they did 20 or more years ago, including both great ones and lesser 
ones!
 
 This is something you can't say about just about ANYTHING else, from real 

Re: [MOPO] [MOPO] THIS IS THE MOST RIDICULOUS POST EVER>>>>>Re: [MOPO] FA: What can I can invest in that has not gone sky high in recent years?

[James Gresham]

Great advice from all.

On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 11:09 AM Alan Adler  wrote:

> Fellow Mopes -
>
> In 66 years of collecting, I’ve lived by a few simple rules.
>
> 1. Don’t buy anything unless you love it and want to keep it forever - or
> someone is throwing it away.
> 2. When and if (See Dracula) you die, the next kid can enjoy whatever you
> collected because you saved it from the trash.
> 3. If you sell the item along the way and make a profit, good for you.
> Tastes change and you can’t keep it all.
> 4. Take the money and pay a bill or buy something else you love and want
> to keep forever.
> 5. Be thankful for what you have and be kind to people.
> 6. Repeat.
>
> Alan
>
> On Oct 19, 2023, at 2:15 AM, Helmut Hamm  wrote:
>
> Rich and all,
>
> if you are looking for something you can sit on and wait for it to
> increase in value, movie posters are not for you. But can you think of any
> other field of investment where this is true?
>
> If you invested in silver ago comics early enough, you made a fortune. I
> remember buying an Amazing Spider-Man #127 (is it, this was a long time
> ago?), anyway the first Punisher issue for $10 in the 1980s. Sold it for
> $50, which even back then was too cheap. These days, it might be worth a
> couple of grand. On the other hand, people were massively let to collecting
> brand-new comics back then. They came with the promise of a guaranteed
> investment, and for a few years, prices went through the roof. The only
> people who ever made money on these were the comic book dealers.
>
> I sold my 50s scifi and horror movie poster collection about 15 years ago
> or so, at a time when prices were at all all-time high. Lucky me. On the
> other hand, I bought a KING OF THE ROCKET-MEN onesheet for over $4,300. I
> could easily pick up another one for little over $1,000 these days. My copy
> is on display, I still love it, and I will most likely never sell it, but
> it most be the biggest single loss I have ever taken on a single poster in
> the last 30 years. Poor, poor me.
>
> I get questions about movie posters as an investment as well, and
> my bottom line is: It is possible, but you have to know what you're doing,
> and you need EXPERTISE. There is no such thing as a 'guaranteed investment'
> anywhere in this world, if you want that, put your money in the bank at 2%
> interest rate. And hope the bank does not crash.
> Like any other dealer, I have found my share of bargains over the years,
> more than one poster I found on ebay for $100 and sold s
> for $3000 or so the next day. But these were pretty much always very
> obscure, very special interest pieces the average buyer or collector would
> not even recognize. I have been making my living selling movie posters for
> over 25 years, and I do not have a inventory of 30 posters or
> something, so you do not have to be a 'major' dealer to survive in this
> hobby. Again, what it takeas is expertise and aquiring that is a long, long
> way and a takes a huge amount of legwork.
>
> As to selling with Heritage vs selling with Bruce: The Heritage results do
> seem impressive, but keep in mind that almost half of that money goes to
> The Corporation.
>
> Helmut
>
>
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 19. Oktober 2023 um 06:03 Uhr
> *Von:* "Richard Halegua MPB.auction" 
> *An:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> *Betreff:* Re: [MOPO] THIS IS THE MOST RIDICULOUS POST EVER>Re:
> [MOPO] FHA: What can I can invest in that has not gone sky high in recent
> years?
>
> urchases in collectibles that result in investments are serendipitous, and
> myself I never collected posters for anything other Ithan spiritual
> investment
>
> I only find it funny when people say something is a good investment and
> then pointing out why they've been a terrible investment. It was just
> rhetoric of course, but certainly not well thought out message.
>
> as to Forbidden Planet.. Randy Ringenberg had a very nicely backed one at
> the Columbus show for just $6500 and it did not sell. I don't think it will
> get down to 1500, but there may still be some savings to come. Maybe by
> then you can just use some of your dividends, instead of putting them into
> the reinvestment program for a month and not sell any shares ;-)
>
> On 10/18/2023 8:37 PM, Johnson Tom wrote:
>
> Well..as a collector, I couldn't be happier that prices have stalled out.
> In 50 years I have never bought a poster as an investment, unless I found
> an incredible deal that could help me roll it over into something I wanted.
> I'd be thrilled if the bottom fell completely out of the market. With my
> finances and collecting field I can only afford to buy a couple of posters
> a year--if prices dumped further I'd be all over it. I've thoroughly
> enjoyed selling off my other collectibles that did jump way up in value and
> using that money to buy movie posters. If posters are an investment to
> you...guess you shoulda bought Apple at $35 and Amazon at $76 instead of
> Maltese Falcon at $67,000. 

Re: [MOPO] [MOPO] THIS IS THE MOST RIDICULOUS POST EVER>>>>>Re: [MOPO] FA: What can I can invest in that has not gone sky high in recent years?

[Alan Adler]

Fellow Mopes -

In 66 years of collecting, I’ve lived by a few simple rules.

1. Don’t buy anything unless you love it and want to keep it forever - or 
someone is throwing it away. 
2. When and if (See Dracula) you die, the next kid can enjoy whatever you 
collected because you saved it from the trash. 
3. If you sell the item along the way and make a profit, good for you. Tastes 
change and you can’t keep it all.
4. Take the money and pay a bill or buy something else you love and want to 
keep forever.
5. Be thankful for what you have and be kind to people.
6. Repeat.

Alan

> On Oct 19, 2023, at 2:15 AM, Helmut Hamm  wrote:
> 
> Rich and all,
>  
> if you are looking for something you can sit on and wait for it to increase 
> in value, movie posters are not for you. But can you think of any other field 
> of investment where this is true?
>  
> If you invested in silver ago comics early enough, you made a fortune. I 
> remember buying an Amazing Spider-Man #127 (is it, this was a long time 
> ago?), anyway the first Punisher issue for $10 in the 1980s. Sold it for $50, 
> which even back then was too cheap. These days, it might be worth a couple of 
> grand. On the other hand, people were massively let to collecting brand-new 
> comics back then. They came with the promise of a guaranteed investment, and 
> for a few years, prices went through the roof. The only people who ever made 
> money on these were the comic book dealers. 
>  
> I sold my 50s scifi and horror movie poster collection about 15 years ago or 
> so, at a time when prices were at all all-time high. Lucky me. On the other 
> hand, I bought a KING OF THE ROCKET-MEN onesheet for over $4,300. I could 
> easily pick up another one for little over $1,000 these days. My copy is on 
> display, I still love it, and I will most likely never sell it, but it most 
> be the biggest single loss I have ever taken on a single poster in the last 
> 30 years. Poor, poor me.
>  
> I get questions about movie posters as an investment as well, and my bottom 
> line is: It is possible, but you have to know what you're doing, and you need 
> EXPERTISE. There is no such thing as a 'guaranteed investment' anywhere in 
> this world, if you want that, put your money in the bank at 2% interest rate. 
> And hope the bank does not crash.
> Like any other dealer, I have found my share of bargains over the years, more 
> than one poster I found on ebay for $100 and sold s
> for $3000 or so the next day. But these were pretty much always very obscure, 
> very special interest pieces the average buyer or collector would not even 
> recognize. I have been making my living selling movie posters for over 25 
> years, and I do not have a inventory of 30 posters or something, so you 
> do not have to be a 'major' dealer to survive in this hobby. Again, what it 
> takeas is expertise and aquiring that is a long, long way and a takes a huge 
> amount of legwork.
>  
> As to selling with Heritage vs selling with Bruce: The Heritage results do 
> seem impressive, but keep in mind that almost half of that money goes to The 
> Corporation.
>  
> Helmut
>  
>  
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. Oktober 2023 um 06:03 Uhr
> Von: "Richard Halegua MPB.auction" 
> An: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> Betreff: Re: [MOPO] THIS IS THE MOST RIDICULOUS POST EVER>Re: [MOPO] FHA: 
> What can I can invest in that has not gone sky high in recent years?
> urchases in collectibles that result in investments are serendipitous, and 
> myself I never collected posters for anything other Ithan spiritual investment
> 
> I only find it funny when people say something is a good investment and then 
> pointing out why they've been a terrible investment. It was just rhetoric of 
> course, but certainly not well thought out message.
> 
> as to Forbidden Planet.. Randy Ringenberg had a very nicely backed one at the 
> Columbus show for just $6500 and it did not sell. I don't think it will get 
> down to 1500, but there may still be some savings to come. Maybe by then you 
> can just use some of your dividends, instead of putting them into the 
> reinvestment program for a month and not sell any shares ;-)
> 
>  
> On 10/18/2023 8:37 PM, Johnson Tom wrote:
> Well..as a collector, I couldn't be happier that prices have stalled out. In 
> 50 years I have never bought a poster as an investment, unless I found an 
> incredible deal that could help me roll it over into something I wanted. I'd 
> be thrilled if the bottom fell completely out of the market. With my finances 
> and collecting field I can only afford to buy a couple of posters a year--if 
> prices dumped further I'd be all over it. I've thoroughly enjoyed selling off 
> my other collectibles that did jump way up in value and using that money to 
> buy movie posters. If posters are an investment to you...guess you shoulda 
> bought Apple at $35 and Amazon at $76 instead of Maltese Falcon at $67,000. 
> oops. I did both of the former. Can't wait to 

Re: [MOPO] THIS IS THE MOST RIDICULOUS POST EVER>>>>>Re: [MOPO] FA: What can I can invest in that has not gone sky high in recent years?

[David Kusumoto]

* Sister Mary Frances what in the sam heck are the usual suspects getting into 
a lather about?  Bruce's post was his routine marketing pitch to look at prices 
in his auctions as they are today. Only a person with an intense axe to grind - 
would read Bruce's promotion as an academic dissertation about investments when 
he himself concedes his intent is "self-serving" by saying prices can be less 
than what they were in the past. I read it as there could be good buys, that's 
all - a proxy for his standard reminder that his auctions are closing soon.  
It's not even rhetoric. It's straight up marketing. Not an financial prospectus 
from Suzie Orman or the Fed.

* Only a person with intense animus against Bruce would be triggered to 
re-litigate how movie posters are lousy currency vs. comic books, which 
indirectly insults every person who trades in movie paper - as a sucker who's 
small potatoes compared to him. God forbid if he passes soon with no heirs as 
he admits having gigantic stacks of posters like a hoarder who's gonna run out 
of time.

* Patently obvious to me who's trying to start fights on a MOVIE POSTER 
discussion group - against a figure in our hobby - who NEVER acknowledges his 
existence. Rich's takes about sentimental value not passing through to later 
generations aren't wrong - but his tone drips with ridicule - as if MoPo is 
made up of an ignorant school of fish collecting posters with low asset value - 
compared to "investment success" as he defines it.

* In my view, success isn't defined by asset value. What a person possesses in 
affability or being a mensch every day - matters more than assets you can't 
take with you. In sum, if your intelligence and asset portfolio are a "10" - 
but your personality is a "2," then you're a "2."  It's like surface beauty - a 
depreciating asset. Only the affluent can afford to upgrade / trade-out beauty 
for something "newer" - until their time runs out - or they lose interest 
entirely. - d.

---

Meanwhile, switching gears from the aforementioned unpleasantness. * Just got 
Walter Reuben's latest catalog online. Spectacular.  Among its many beauties - 
is an 8 x 10 still from 1930 featuring Bogart prominently in a publicity shot - 
despite being in a supporting role.

[https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/9985/wFvJDK.jpg?trnonsuspmrk=1]
Walter's latest catalog is here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jSFCQ_FkaM5AzRXX5zwhHvhgMdNRMozx/view?pli=1

* Also kudos to the recent gallery updates from Matt McCarthy,
https://filmartgallery.com/collections/vintage-movie-posters-halloween-2023

* Helmut Hamm,
https://www.filmposter.net/en/new-additions/

* ...and John Hazleton.
https://www.filmposters.com/results.cfm?search=newarrivals

-d.


From: MoPo List  on behalf of Richard Halegua 
MPB.auction 
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 10:03 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
Subject: Re: THIS IS THE MOST RIDICULOUS POST EVER>>>>>Re: [MOPO] FA: What can 
I can invest in that has not gone sky high in recent years?


purchases in collectibles that result in investments are serendipitous, and 
myself I never collected posters for anything other than spiritual investment

I only find it funny when people say something is a good investment and then 
pointing out why they've been a terrible investment. It was just rhetoric of 
course, but certainly not well thought out message.


as to Forbidden Planet.. Randy Ringenberg had a very nicely backed one at the 
Columbus show for just $6500 and it did not sell. I don't think it will get 
down to 1500, but there may still be some savings to come. Maybe by then you 
can just use some of your dividends, instead of putting them into the 
reinvestment program for a month and not sell any shares ;-)


From: MoPo List  on behalf of Johnson Tom 

Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 8:37 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
Subject: Re: THIS IS THE MOST RIDICULOUS POST EVER>>>>>Re: [MOPO] FA: What can 
I can invest in that has not gone sky high in recent years?

Well..as a collector, I couldn't be happier that prices have stalled out. In 50 
years I have never bought a poster as an investment, unless I found an 
incredible deal that could help me roll it over into something I wanted. I'd be 
thrilled if the bottom fell completely out of the market. With my finances and 
collecting field I can only afford to buy a couple of posters a year--if prices 
dumped further I'd be all over it. I've thoroughly enjoyed selling off my other 
collectibles that did jump way up in value and using that money to buy movie 
posters. If posters are an investment to you...guess you shoulda bought Apple 
at $35 and Amazon at $76 instead of Maltese Falcon at $67,000. oops. I did both 
of the former. Can't wait to sell my shares for for Forbidden Planet at $1500.

___

[MOPO] Aw: Re: [MOPO] THIS IS THE MOST RIDICULOUS POST EVER>>>>>Re: [MOPO] FA: What can I can invest in that has not gone sky high in recent years?

[Helmut Hamm]

Rich and all,

 

if you are looking for something you can sit on and wait for it to increase in value, movie posters are not for you. But can you think of any other field of investment where this is true?

 

If you invested in silver ago comics early enough, you made a fortune. I remember buying an Amazing Spider-Man #127 (is it, this was a long time ago?), anyway the first Punisher issue for $10 in the 1980s. Sold it for $50, which even back then was too cheap. These days, it might be worth a couple of grand. On the other hand, people were massively let to collecting brand-new comics back then. They came with the promise of a guaranteed investment, and for a few years, prices went through the roof. The only people who ever made money on these were the comic book dealers. 

 

I sold my 50s scifi and horror movie poster collection about 15 years ago or so, at a time when prices were at all all-time high. Lucky me. On the other hand, I bought a KING OF THE ROCKET-MEN onesheet for over $4,300. I could easily pick up another one for little over $1,000 these days. My copy is on display, I still love it, and I will most likely never sell it, but it most be the biggest single loss I have ever taken on a single poster in the last 30 years. Poor, poor me.

 

I get questions about movie posters as an investment as well, and my bottom line is: It is possible, but you have to know what you're doing, and you need EXPERTISE. There is no such thing as a 'guaranteed investment' anywhere in this world, if you want that, put your money in the bank at 2% interest rate. And hope the bank does not crash.

Like any other dealer, I have found my share of bargains over the years, more than one poster I found on ebay for $100 and sold s

for $3000 or so the next day. But these were pretty much always very obscure, very special interest pieces the average buyer or collector would not even recognize. I have been making my living selling movie posters for over 25 years, and I do not have a inventory of 30 posters or something, so you do not have to be a 'major' dealer to survive in this hobby. Again, what it takeas is expertise and aquiring that is a long, long way and a takes a huge amount of legwork.

 

As to selling with Heritage vs selling with Bruce: The Heritage results do seem impressive, but keep in mind that almost half of that money goes to The Corporation.

 

Helmut

 

 

Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. Oktober 2023 um 06:03 Uhr
Von: "Richard Halegua MPB.auction" 
An: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
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urchases in collectibles that result in investments are serendipitous, and myself I never collected posters for anything other Ithan spiritual investment

I only find it funny when people say something is a good investment and then pointing out why they've been a terrible investment. It was just rhetoric of course, but certainly not well thought out message.

as to Forbidden Planet.. Randy Ringenberg had a very nicely backed one at the Columbus show for just $6500 and it did not sell. I don't think it will get down to 1500, but there may still be some savings to come. Maybe by then you can just use some of your dividends, instead of putting them into the reinvestment program for a month and not sell any shares ;-)

 

On 10/18/2023 8:37 PM, Johnson Tom wrote:


Well..as a collector, I couldn't be happier that prices have stalled out. In 50 years I have never bought a poster as an investment, unless I found an incredible deal that could help me roll it over into something I wanted. I'd be thrilled if the bottom fell completely out of the market. With my finances and collecting field I can only afford to buy a couple of posters a year--if prices dumped further I'd be all over it. I've thoroughly enjoyed selling off my other collectibles that did jump way up in value and using that money to buy movie posters. If posters are an investment to you...guess you shoulda bought Apple at $35 and Amazon at $76 instead of Maltese Falcon at $67,000. oops. I did both of the former. Can't wait to sell my shares for for Forbidden Planet at $1500.
 


On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 7:42 PM Richard Halegua MPB.auction  wrote:



your better posters would do much better at Heritage, no question.

 

On 10/18/2023 7:39 PM, Glenn Taranto wrote:



I've told my Niece and Nephew that when I go to send my posters to Bruce. 

 

Explaining, "You'll likely never get what I paid for them but it'll be money in your pocket you wouldn't have had otherwise. Even if it's five bucks, get a cup of coffee and think of me!"

 

Glenn T.

 

 

 


On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 7:30 PM Richard Halegua MPB.auction  wrote:



of all the ridiculous posts I see people make about collectibles in general, and movie posters in particular, this one was an absolute laugh.

 

Pay attention folks: as far as 'investments' go, movie 

Re: [MOPO] THIS IS THE MOST RIDICULOUS POST EVER>>>>>Re: [MOPO] FA: What can I can invest in that has not gone sky high in recent years?

[Richard Halegua MPB.auction]

purchases in collectibles that result in investments are serendipitous, 
and myself I never collected posters for anything other than spiritual 
investment


I only find it funny when people say something is a good investment and 
then pointing out why they've been a terrible investment. It was just 
rhetoric of course, but certainly not well thought out message.


as to Forbidden Planet.. Randy Ringenberg had a very nicely backed one 
at the Columbus show for just $6500 and it did not sell. I don't think 
it will get down to 1500, but there may still be some savings to come. 
Maybe by then you can just use some of your dividends, instead of 
putting them into the reinvestment program for a month and not sell any 
shares ;-)



On 10/18/2023 8:37 PM, Johnson Tom wrote:
Well..as a collector, I couldn't be happier that prices have stalled 
out. In 50 years I have never bought a poster as an investment, unless 
I found an incredible deal that could help me roll it over into 
something I wanted. I'd be thrilled if the bottom fell completely out 
of the market. With my finances and collecting field I can only afford 
to buy a couple of posters a year--if prices dumped further I'd be all 
over it. I've thoroughly enjoyed selling off my other collectibles 
that did jump way up in value and using that money to buy movie 
posters. If posters are an investment to you...guess you shoulda 
bought Apple at $35 and Amazon at $76 instead of Maltese Falcon at 
$67,000. oops. I did both of the former. Can't wait to sell my shares 
for for Forbidden Planet at $1500.


On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 7:42 PM Richard Halegua MPB.auction 
 wrote:


your better posters would do much better at Heritage, no question.


On 10/18/2023 7:39 PM, Glenn Taranto wrote:

I've told my Niece and Nephew that when I go to send my posters
to Bruce.

Explaining, "You'll likely never get what I paid for them but
it'll be money in your pocket you wouldn't have had otherwise.
Even if it's five bucks, get a cup of coffee and think of me!"

Glenn T.



On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 7:30 PM Richard Halegua MPB.auction
  wrote:

of all the ridiculous posts I see people make about
collectibles in general, and movie posters in particular,
this one was an absolute laugh.

Pay attention folks: as far as 'investments' go, movie
posters has, sadly, shown itself to be among the least best
candidates for a place to invest money and after the author
of this post says
"..what is something I can invest in that has not gone sky
high in recent years?". Can I self-servingly suggest vintage
movie paper?"

the author follows it with
"..it is 100% true that a LOT of vintage movie posters sell
for the same or similar prices that they did 20 or more years
ago, including both great ones and lesser ones!"

and
"..most are at huge discounts to prices of the same or
similar items many years ago!"

does the author not understand that these statements are the
opposite of "posters are a good investment"

listen, I'm in this business and have been for a very long
time, and I would love for my Raymond Chandler collection, or
my German posters for Fritz Lang films or for gosh sakes my
many thousands of gambling themed movie posters & lobby cards
to be worth an investment, but they aren't. I think I'll be
lucky to be able to get anything close to my money back,
should I ever be selling these holdings (likely I'll never
get there, seeing as I have 300,000 other posters to sell
first as well as a couple hundred thousand non poster items
from comics to art to any kind of paper you can imagine).
(note: 50s horror & sci-fi has topped out, as has,
apparently, Universal horror)

Sure, if you only have Star Wars posters, or a very narrow
title range of 1970s-2000's posters, there is some investment
value. But as a general rule, poster values are in the
negative, not the positive.

Forbidden Planet was a keystone title in posters for decades,
but it hasn't really increased in value in any fashion at
all, and if the one I sold in 2005 for $8500 is only worth
$8500 today, that is not an investment, that is a negative
money play, as that $8500, even in just a 2% bank account
would be over $13,000 today. Any comic book I could have
bought in 2005 for $8500 - and I mean ANY - would be worth at
least twice that and more likely is a $20-50k item today. If
you bought an $8500 copy of Amazing Fantasy 15 in 2005, it is
likely $100k today.maybe more come to think of it.

I wish all the way down to my toes that posters were a good
investment, but unless you buy them at low 

Re: [MOPO] THIS IS THE MOST RIDICULOUS POST EVER>>>>>Re: [MOPO] FA: What can I can invest in that has not gone sky high in recent years?

[Johnson Tom]

Well..as a collector, I couldn't be happier that prices have stalled out.
In 50 years I have never bought a poster as an investment, unless I found
an incredible deal that could help me roll it over into something I wanted.
I'd be thrilled if the bottom fell completely out of the market. With my
finances and collecting field I can only afford to buy a couple of posters
a year--if prices dumped further I'd be all over it. I've thoroughly
enjoyed selling off my other collectibles that did jump way up in value and
using that money to buy movie posters. If posters are an investment to
you...guess you shoulda bought Apple at $35 and Amazon at $76 instead of
Maltese Falcon at $67,000. oops. I did both of the former. Can't wait to
sell my shares for for Forbidden Planet at $1500.

On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 7:42 PM Richard Halegua MPB.auction
 wrote:

> your better posters would do much better at Heritage, no question.
>
>
> On 10/18/2023 7:39 PM, Glenn Taranto wrote:
>
> I've told my Niece and Nephew that when I go to send my posters to Bruce.
>
> Explaining, "You'll likely never get what I paid for them but it'll be
> money in your pocket you wouldn't have had otherwise. Even if it's five
> bucks, get a cup of coffee and think of me!"
>
> Glenn T.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 7:30 PM Richard Halegua MPB.auction
>   wrote:
>
>> of all the ridiculous posts I see people make about collectibles in
>> general, and movie posters in particular, this one was an absolute laugh.
>>
>> Pay attention folks: as far as 'investments' go, movie posters has,
>> sadly, shown itself to be among the least best candidates for a place to
>> invest money and after the author of this post says
>> "..what is something I can invest in that has not gone sky high in
>> recent years?". Can I self-servingly suggest vintage movie paper?"
>>
>> the author follows it with
>> "..it is 100% true that a LOT of vintage movie posters sell for the same
>> or similar prices that they did 20 or more years ago, including both great
>> ones and lesser ones!"
>>
>> and
>> "..most are at huge discounts to prices of the same or similar items
>> many years ago!"
>>
>> does the author not understand that these statements are the opposite of
>> "posters are a good investment"
>>
>> listen, I'm in this business and have been for a very long time, and I
>> would love for my Raymond Chandler collection, or my German posters for
>> Fritz Lang films or for gosh sakes my many thousands of gambling themed
>> movie posters & lobby cards to be worth an investment, but they aren't. I
>> think I'll be lucky to be able to get anything close to my money back,
>> should I ever be selling these holdings (likely I'll never get there,
>> seeing as I have 300,000 other posters to sell first as well as a couple
>> hundred thousand non poster items from comics to art to any kind of paper
>> you can imagine).
>> (note: 50s horror & sci-fi has topped out, as has, apparently, Universal
>> horror)
>>
>> Sure, if you only have Star Wars posters, or a very narrow title range of
>> 1970s-2000's posters, there is some investment value. But as a general
>> rule, poster values are in the negative, not the positive.
>>
>> Forbidden Planet was a keystone title in posters for decades, but it
>> hasn't really increased in value in any fashion at all, and if the one I
>> sold in 2005 for $8500 is only worth $8500 today, that is not an
>> investment, that is a negative money play, as that $8500, even in just a 2%
>> bank account would be over $13,000 today. Any comic book I could have
>> bought in 2005 for $8500 - and I mean ANY - would be worth at least twice
>> that and more likely is a $20-50k item today. If you bought an $8500 copy
>> of Amazing Fantasy 15 in 2005, it is likely $100k today.maybe more come to
>> think of it.
>>
>> I wish all the way down to my toes that posters were a good investment,
>> but unless you buy them at low wholesale rates, like dealers do, there is
>> literally no-investment and I think that every dealer, including the one
>> who posted that ridiculous email, knows the truth of this.
>>
>> movie posters as investment.. what a laugh
>>
>>
>> "On 10/18/2023 5:47 AM, Bruce Hershenson wrote:
>>
>> People keep saying to me "Bruce, what is something I can invest in that
>> has not gone sky high in recent years?". Can I self-servingly suggest
>> vintage movie paper?
>>
>> It might SEEM like I am saying this because that is my livelihood, but it
>> is 100% true that a LOT of vintage movie posters sell for the same or
>> similar prices that they did 20 or more years ago, including both great
>> ones and lesser ones!
>>
>> This is something you can't say about just about ANYTHING else, from real
>> estate to the stock market to groceries to oil, to almost EVERY other kind
>> of collectible!
>>
>> While many of the best examples of comic books or baseball cards or so
>> many other collectibles are "out of sight" to an average person, you CAN
>> still buy a wonderful movie 

Re: [MOPO] THIS IS THE MOST RIDICULOUS POST EVER>>>>>Re: [MOPO] FA: What can I can invest in that has not gone sky high in recent years?

[Richard Halegua MPB.auction]

your better posters would do much better at Heritage, no question.


On 10/18/2023 7:39 PM, Glenn Taranto wrote:

I've told my Niece and Nephew that when I go to send my posters to Bruce.

Explaining, "You'll likely never get what I paid for them but it'll be 
money in your pocket you wouldn't have had otherwise. Even if it's 
five bucks, get a cup of coffee and think of me!"


Glenn T.



On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 7:30 PM Richard Halegua MPB.auction 
 wrote:


of all the ridiculous posts I see people make about collectibles
in general, and movie posters in particular, this one was an
absolute laugh.

Pay attention folks: as far as 'investments' go, movie posters
has, sadly, shown itself to be among the least best candidates for
a place to invest money and after the author of this post says
"..what is something I can invest in that has not gone sky high in
recent years?". Can I self-servingly suggest vintage movie paper?"

the author follows it with
"..it is 100% true that a LOT of vintage movie posters sell for
the same or similar prices that they did 20 or more years ago,
including both great ones and lesser ones!"

and
"..most are at huge discounts to prices of the same or similar
items many years ago!"

does the author not understand that these statements are the
opposite of "posters are a good investment"

listen, I'm in this business and have been for a very long time,
and I would love for my Raymond Chandler collection, or my German
posters for Fritz Lang films or for gosh sakes my many thousands
of gambling themed movie posters & lobby cards to be worth an
investment, but they aren't. I think I'll be lucky to be able to
get anything close to my money back, should I ever be selling
these holdings (likely I'll never get there, seeing as I have
300,000 other posters to sell first as well as a couple hundred
thousand non poster items from comics to art to any kind of paper
you can imagine).
(note: 50s horror & sci-fi has topped out, as has, apparently,
Universal horror)

Sure, if you only have Star Wars posters, or a very narrow title
range of 1970s-2000's posters, there is some investment value. But
as a general rule, poster values are in the negative, not the
positive.

Forbidden Planet was a keystone title in posters for decades, but
it hasn't really increased in value in any fashion at all, and if
the one I sold in 2005 for $8500 is only worth $8500 today, that
is not an investment, that is a negative money play, as that
$8500, even in just a 2% bank account would be over $13,000 today.
Any comic book I could have bought in 2005 for $8500 - and I mean
ANY - would be worth at least twice that and more likely is a
$20-50k item today. If you bought an $8500 copy of Amazing Fantasy
15 in 2005, it is likely $100k today.maybe more come to think of it.

I wish all the way down to my toes that posters were a good
investment, but unless you buy them at low wholesale rates, like
dealers do, there is literally no-investment and I think that
every dealer, including the one who posted that ridiculous email,
knows the truth of this.

movie posters as investment.. what a laugh


"On 10/18/2023 5:47 AM, Bruce Hershenson wrote:

People keep saying to me "Bruce, what is something I can invest
in that has not gone sky high in recent years?". Can I
self-servingly suggest vintage movie paper?

It might SEEM like I am saying this because that is my
livelihood, but it is 100% true that a LOT of vintage movie
posters sell for the same or similar prices that they did 20 or
more years ago, including both great ones and lesser ones!

This is something you can't say about just about ANYTHING else,
from real estate to the stock market to groceries to oil, to
almost EVERY other kind of collectible!

While many of the best examples of comic books or baseball cards
or so many other collectibles are "out of sight" to an average
person, you CAN still buy a wonderful movie poster for a
surprisingly reasonable price!

Want proof? Take a gander at my company's (eMoviePoster.com's)
current 3,185 auctions currently running in our 3-part 24th
Annual Halloween Auction at
https://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/all.html

These 3,185 auctions are FILLED with great horror/sci-fi/fantasy
items at every price level, and at the current bid prices, most
are at huge discounts to prices of the same or similar items many
years ago!

But you can't get those great deals if you aren't bidding, so why
not go to the above links RIGHT NOW? We think you will surely
find the great rarities and many low prices an irresistible
combination!






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Re: [MOPO] THIS IS THE MOST RIDICULOUS POST EVER>>>>>Re: [MOPO] FA: What can I can invest in that has not gone sky high in recent years?

[Glenn Taranto]

I've told my Niece and Nephew that when I go to send my posters to Bruce.

Explaining, "You'll likely never get what I paid for them but it'll be
money in your pocket you wouldn't have had otherwise. Even if it's five
bucks, get a cup of coffee and think of me!"

Glenn T.



On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 7:30 PM Richard Halegua MPB.auction
 wrote:

> of all the ridiculous posts I see people make about collectibles in
> general, and movie posters in particular, this one was an absolute laugh.
>
> Pay attention folks: as far as 'investments' go, movie posters has, sadly,
> shown itself to be among the least best candidates for a place to invest
> money and after the author of this post says
> "..what is something I can invest in that has not gone sky high in recent
> years?". Can I self-servingly suggest vintage movie paper?"
>
> the author follows it with
> "..it is 100% true that a LOT of vintage movie posters sell for the same
> or similar prices that they did 20 or more years ago, including both great
> ones and lesser ones!"
>
> and
> "..most are at huge discounts to prices of the same or similar items many
> years ago!"
>
> does the author not understand that these statements are the opposite of
> "posters are a good investment"
>
> listen, I'm in this business and have been for a very long time, and I
> would love for my Raymond Chandler collection, or my German posters for
> Fritz Lang films or for gosh sakes my many thousands of gambling themed
> movie posters & lobby cards to be worth an investment, but they aren't. I
> think I'll be lucky to be able to get anything close to my money back,
> should I ever be selling these holdings (likely I'll never get there,
> seeing as I have 300,000 other posters to sell first as well as a couple
> hundred thousand non poster items from comics to art to any kind of paper
> you can imagine).
> (note: 50s horror & sci-fi has topped out, as has, apparently, Universal
> horror)
>
> Sure, if you only have Star Wars posters, or a very narrow title range of
> 1970s-2000's posters, there is some investment value. But as a general
> rule, poster values are in the negative, not the positive.
>
> Forbidden Planet was a keystone title in posters for decades, but it
> hasn't really increased in value in any fashion at all, and if the one I
> sold in 2005 for $8500 is only worth $8500 today, that is not an
> investment, that is a negative money play, as that $8500, even in just a 2%
> bank account would be over $13,000 today. Any comic book I could have
> bought in 2005 for $8500 - and I mean ANY - would be worth at least twice
> that and more likely is a $20-50k item today. If you bought an $8500 copy
> of Amazing Fantasy 15 in 2005, it is likely $100k today.maybe more come to
> think of it.
>
> I wish all the way down to my toes that posters were a good investment,
> but unless you buy them at low wholesale rates, like dealers do, there is
> literally no-investment and I think that every dealer, including the one
> who posted that ridiculous email, knows the truth of this.
>
> movie posters as investment.. what a laugh
>
>
> "On 10/18/2023 5:47 AM, Bruce Hershenson wrote:
>
> People keep saying to me "Bruce, what is something I can invest in that
> has not gone sky high in recent years?". Can I self-servingly suggest
> vintage movie paper?
>
> It might SEEM like I am saying this because that is my livelihood, but it
> is 100% true that a LOT of vintage movie posters sell for the same or
> similar prices that they did 20 or more years ago, including both great
> ones and lesser ones!
>
> This is something you can't say about just about ANYTHING else, from real
> estate to the stock market to groceries to oil, to almost EVERY other kind
> of collectible!
>
> While many of the best examples of comic books or baseball cards or so
> many other collectibles are "out of sight" to an average person, you CAN
> still buy a wonderful movie poster for a surprisingly reasonable price!
>
> Want proof? Take a gander at my company's (eMoviePoster.com's) current
> 3,185 auctions currently running in our 3-part 24th Annual Halloween
> Auction at https://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/all.html
>
> These 3,185 auctions are FILLED with great horror/sci-fi/fantasy items at
> every price level, and at the current bid prices, most are at huge
> discounts to prices of the same or similar items many years ago!
>
> But you can't get those great deals if you aren't bidding, so why not go
> to the above links RIGHT NOW? We think you will surely find the great
> rarities and many low prices an irresistible combination!
>
>
>
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[MOPO] THIS IS THE MOST RIDICULOUS POST EVER>>>>>Re: [MOPO] FA: What can I can invest in that has not gone sky high in recent years?

[Richard Halegua MPB.auction]

of all the ridiculous posts I see people make about collectibles in 
general, and movie posters in particular, this one was an absolute laugh.


Pay attention folks: as far as 'investments' go, movie posters has, 
sadly, shown itself to be among the least best candidates for a place to 
invest money and after the author of this post says
"..what is something I can invest in that has not gone sky high in 
recent years?". Can I self-servingly suggest vintage movie paper?"


the author follows it with
"..it is 100% true that a LOT of vintage movie posters sell for the same 
or similar prices that they did 20 or more years ago, including both 
great ones and lesser ones!"


and
"..most are at huge discounts to prices of the same or similar items 
many years ago!"


does the author not understand that these statements are the opposite of 
"posters are a good investment"


listen, I'm in this business and have been for a very long time, and I 
would love for my Raymond Chandler collection, or my German posters for 
Fritz Lang films or for gosh sakes my many thousands of gambling themed 
movie posters & lobby cards to be worth an investment, but they aren't. 
I think I'll be lucky to be able to get anything close to my money back, 
should I ever be selling these holdings (likely I'll never get there, 
seeing as I have 300,000 other posters to sell first as well as a couple 
hundred thousand non poster items from comics to art to any kind of 
paper you can imagine).
(note: 50s horror & sci-fi has topped out, as has, apparently, Universal 
horror)


Sure, if you only have Star Wars posters, or a very narrow title range 
of 1970s-2000's posters, there is some investment value. But as a 
general rule, poster values are in the negative, not the positive.


Forbidden Planet was a keystone title in posters for decades, but it 
hasn't really increased in value in any fashion at all, and if the one I 
sold in 2005 for $8500 is only worth $8500 today, that is not an 
investment, that is a negative money play, as that $8500, even in just a 
2% bank account would be over $13,000 today. Any comic book I could have 
bought in 2005 for $8500 - and I mean ANY - would be worth at least 
twice that and more likely is a $20-50k item today. If you bought an 
$8500 copy of Amazing Fantasy 15 in 2005, it is likely $100k today.maybe 
more come to think of it.


I wish all the way down to my toes that posters were a good investment, 
but unless you buy them at low wholesale rates, like dealers do, there 
is literally no-investment and I think that every dealer, including the 
one who posted that ridiculous email, knows the truth of this.


movie posters as investment.. what a laugh


"On 10/18/2023 5:47 AM, Bruce Hershenson wrote:
People keep saying to me "Bruce, what is something I can invest in 
that has not gone sky high in recent years?". Can I self-servingly 
suggest vintage movie paper?


It might SEEM like I am saying this because that is my livelihood, but 
it is 100% true that a LOT of vintage movie posters sell for the same 
or similar prices that they did 20 or more years ago, including both 
great ones and lesser ones!


This is something you can't say about just about ANYTHING else, from 
real estate to the stock market to groceries to oil, to almost EVERY 
other kind of collectible!


While many of the best examples of comic books or baseball cards or so 
many other collectibles are "out of sight" to an average person, you 
CAN still buy a wonderful movie poster for a surprisingly reasonable 
price!


Want proof? Take a gander at my company's (eMoviePoster.com's) current 
3,185 auctions currently running in our 3-part 24th Annual Halloween 
Auction at https://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/all.html 



These 3,185 auctions are FILLED with great horror/sci-fi/fantasy items 
at every price level, and at the current bid prices, most are at huge 
discounts to prices of the same or similar items many years ago!


But you can't get those great deals if you aren't bidding, so why not 
go to the above links RIGHT NOW? We think you will surely find the 
great rarities and many low prices an irresistible combination!







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