Re: [MD] Art and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
7 jan 2014 kl. 21:05 skrev Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net: Hi Andre and All, DQ/SQ, indefinable/definable! A structure which supports indefinable reality must include aspects of reality which are indefinable like free-will which remains outside of definition through freedom. If I can't make a mistake in what I choose I am not held responsible for my choice. I have to pay the consequences of the choice. Free will makes manifest metaphysical restraints for manifestation in the DQ/SQ structure. Pardon me I am mistaken! Joe On 1/7/14 8:46 AM, Andre andrebroer...@gmail.com wrote: Joe to Andre: DQ experience itself is indefinable metaphysics. Andre: Huh? Joe: Consciousness of individuality coupled with life anchors a possibility for describing an experience of indefinable reality. Metaphysics MOQ accepts a reality of DQ/SQ experience in individuality. Sentient consciousness, freewill, upholds the awareness needed for DQ/SQ. Animals follow mechanical instinct. Andre: Sorry Joe but I have no idea what you are saying...what point(s)you are trying to make. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
Re: [MD] Art and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
Hi Joe I think your confusion starts with indefinable as indefinable, too, is a definition or as we say, a static pattern. Your pattern DQ/SQ, is more interesting as it can be used as a model, an intellectual pattern, that describes the motivational force following DQ. As an example: If the possibilities for someting is 100% and the evolution so far is 25% then the motivational force will be 4. At the end of time, when all energy in the universe is used an Enthropy is at its maximum the motivational force will be zero as DQ equates zero an evolution is 100%. In the more daily regular basis your understanding and respect for your emotions will tell you. Jan-Anders 7 jan 2014 kl. 21:05 skrev Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net: Hi Andre and All, DQ/SQ, indefinable/definable! A structure which supports indefinable reality must include aspects of reality which are indefinable like free-will which remains outside of definition through freedom. If I can't make a mistake in what I choose I am not held responsible for my choice. I have to pay the consequences of the choice. Free will makes manifest metaphysical restraints for manifestation in the DQ/SQ structure. Pardon me I am mistaken! Joe On 1/7/14 8:46 AM, Andre andrebroer...@gmail.com wrote: Joe to Andre: DQ experience itself is indefinable metaphysics. Andre: Huh? Joe: Consciousness of individuality coupled with life anchors a possibility for describing an experience of indefinable reality. Metaphysics MOQ accepts a reality of DQ/SQ experience in individuality. Sentient consciousness, freewill, upholds the awareness needed for DQ/SQ. Animals follow mechanical instinct. Andre: Sorry Joe but I have no idea what you are saying...what point(s)you are trying to make. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
Re: [MD] Art and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
Hi John, Yes. Or to bastardise a Pirsig phrase: Do we need anyone to define these things for us ? Ian On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 5:42 AM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote: I had a thought the other day Ian about this subject. Help me to see if it fits. Terms like intellect and free will are tricky to define because they are experiences, not definitions. You experience intellect when you think in certain ways. Trying to pin that down exactly is a pain in the butt, but the experience of doing it is plain and obvious. Same goes with free will. It's not a real big problem unless you run up against somebody who thinks everything that is real is definable. On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Ian Glendinning ian.glendinn...@gmail.comwrote: When are we going to lose these pointless degenerate myths like free will is undefinable ffs? Free will is as well (un)defined as any other object in this real MoQish world. Still, I guess it helps to maintain the mysterious myth if your objective is to justify interminable gain-saying argument for as long as your academic career requires it. Ian On 7 Jan 2014 20:10, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Andre and All, DQ/SQ, indefinable/definable! A structure which supports indefinable reality must include aspects of reality which are indefinable like free-will which remains outside of definition through freedom. If I can't make a mistake in what I choose I am not held responsible for my choice. I have to pay the consequences of the choice. Free will makes manifest metaphysical restraints for manifestation in the DQ/SQ structure. Pardon me I am mistaken! Joe On 1/7/14 8:46 AM, Andre andrebroer...@gmail.com wrote: Joe to Andre: DQ experience itself is indefinable metaphysics. Andre: Huh? Joe: Consciousness of individuality coupled with life anchors a possibility for describing an experience of indefinable reality. Metaphysics MOQ accepts a reality of DQ/SQ experience in individuality. Sentient consciousness, freewill, upholds the awareness needed for DQ/SQ. Animals follow mechanical instinct. Andre: Sorry Joe but I have no idea what you are saying...what point(s)you are trying to make. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
Re: [MD] Art and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
Hi Jan-Anders, I do not see how the conscious perception of indefinable is definition. DQ remains indefinable though knowable in the experience of an individual. Individuality is DQ consciousness, before definition. SQ is definition. Joe On 1/8/14 1:28 AM, Jan-Anders Andersson janander...@telia.com wrote: I think your confusion starts with indefinable as indefinable, too, is a definition or as we say, a static pattern. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
Re: [MD] Art and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
Hi Ian, Metaphysics, physics. Why two words? There is a point to logic. Joe On 1/7/14 1:31 PM, Ian Glendinning ian.glendinn...@gmail.com wrote: When are we going to lose these pointless degenerate myths like free will is undefinable ffs? Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
