Hi John, Yes. Or to bastardise a Pirsig phrase: Do we need anyone to define these things for us ?
Ian On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 5:42 AM, John Carl <[email protected]> wrote: > I had a thought the other day Ian about this subject. Help me to see if it > fits. > > Terms like intellect and free will are tricky to define because they are > experiences, not definitions. > > You experience intellect when you think in certain ways. Trying to pin > that down exactly is a pain in the butt, but > the experience of doing it is plain and obvious. Same goes with free > will. It's not a real big problem unless you run > up against somebody who thinks everything that is real is definable. > > > > > On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Ian Glendinning > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> When are we going to lose these pointless degenerate myths like "free will >> is undefinable" ffs? >> >> Free will is as well (un)defined as any other "object" in this real MoQish >> world. >> >> Still, I guess it helps to maintain the mysterious myth if your objective >> is to justify interminable gain-saying "argument" for as long as your >> academic career requires it. >> >> Ian >> On 7 Jan 2014 20:10, "Joseph Maurer" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Hi Andre and All, >> > >> > DQ/SQ, indefinable/definable! A structure which supports indefinable >> > reality must include aspects of reality which are indefinable like >> > free-will >> > which remains outside of definition through freedom. If I can't make a >> > mistake in what I choose I am not held responsible for my choice. >> > >> > I have to pay the consequences of the choice. Free will makes manifest >> > metaphysical restraints for manifestation in the DQ/SQ structure. Pardon >> > me >> > I am mistaken! >> > >> > Joe >> > >> > >> > On 1/7/14 8:46 AM, "Andre" <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > Joe to Andre: >> > > DQ experience itself is indefinable metaphysics. >> > > >> > > Andre: >> > > Huh? >> > > >> > > Joe: >> > > Consciousness of individuality coupled with life anchors a possibility >> > > for describing an experience of indefinable reality. Metaphysics MOQ >> > > accepts a reality of DQ/SQ experience in individuality. Sentient >> > > consciousness, freewill, upholds the awareness needed for DQ/SQ. >> Animals >> > > follow mechanical instinct. >> > > >> > > Andre: >> > > Sorry Joe but I have no idea what you are saying...what point(s)you are >> > > trying to make. >> > > Moq_Discuss mailing list >> > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> > > Archives: >> > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > >> > >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list >> > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> > Archives: >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> > http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
