Re: [MORPHMET] RE: micro-CT suggestions

2016-12-06 Thread Murat Maga 
Dear Angelo,


I would stay 1172 as far  away possible as I can. It is  the $30 inkjet 
equivalent of the mCT world. Cheap to buy, very frustrating to operate. Also 
signal to noise (SNR) on that machines leaves much to be desired. They are also 
phasing it out (due to these constraints). Unless you are getting it a very 
good deal, hassles are usually not worth it. And if you ever decide to use 
contrast agents on your specimens, you would wish that you have gone with a 
higher energy equipment.


If you are into Bruker (skycan) line of products, there are  other excellent 
products to consider (e.g. 1275).


But as Tom emphasized below machine is only one part of it.


M






From: Thomas O'Mahoney <tomomaho...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 1:03:58 PM
To: Angela Roggero; lk...@siue.edu
Cc: MORPHMET
Subject: Re: [MORPHMET] RE: micro-CT suggestions

Dera Luci and Angela Roggero,
Nikon and Northstar imaging are also manufacturers that are worth looking into. 
The Nikon XTH225 is extremely popular in the UK for digitising objects from 
~2cm up to ~50cm. Resolution varies between 3-5 microns and 100 microns, 
depending on sample size etc. If you are looking for high throughput of 
specimens below 10cm, a helical microCT such as the FEI heliscan (designed 
originally for scanning of rock core samples) or Scanco vivCT (designed for 
in-vivo scanning of rodents) may be worth looking at too.
As ever, remember that the machine is just the beginning! Factor in 
technicians, computing, file storage etc as well (this can add at least another 
$100k to a budget).
Best,
Tom


On 6 December 2016 at 08:10, Angela Roggero 
<angela.rogg...@unito.it<mailto:angela.rogg...@unito.it>> wrote:

dear Luci,

we too are interested in buying a microCT, and are examining some instruments 
just now. Essentially, we want to scan hundreds of similar, small and 
low-density objects (insects), and recently tested both SkyScan 1174, and 1172 
(Brucker). Besides, I will be glad to know what is the better choice of microCT 
to be used on insects. Many thanks for any information, Angela Roggero

Il 06/12/2016 01.06, Murat Maga ha scritto:
Dear Luci,

The very short answer is, it depends on your application (scanning hundreds of 
same thing or a multi-user facility in which users will want to scan rocks, 
biological specimens, engine parts). The major companies I am familiar with are 
Bruker (Skyscan), Scanco and GE. Expect to pay anywhere from $250K to $700K, 
depending on the scanner you choose and your support agreement.

Whatever you choose, there are very good open source packages. If you are 
spending tens of thousands of dollars on your analysis and visualization 
software, you are wasting money.

M


From: Kohn, Luci [mailto:lk...@siue.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 6:41 AM
To: MORPHMET <morphmet@morphometrics.org><mailto:morphmet@morphometrics.org>
Subject: [MORPHMET] micro-CT suggestions


I am planning to apply for funding for a micro-CT unit (and associated 
software.  Does anyone have suggestions of models they would recommend?



Thanks in advance

Luci Kohn




Luci Kohn, Ph.D.
Associate Professor
Department of Biological Sciences, Box 1651
44 Circle Drive, SLW 1155
Southern Illinois University Edwardsville
Edwardsville, IL  62026-1651
Phone:  (618) 650-2394<tel:(618)%20650-2394>
Fax:  (618) 650-3174<tel:(618)%20650-3174>
e-mail:  lk...@siue.edu<mailto:lk...@siue.edu>





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Re: [MORPHMET] RE: micro-CT suggestions

2016-12-06 Thread Thomas O'Mahoney 
Dera Luci and Angela Roggero,
Nikon and Northstar imaging are also manufacturers that are worth looking
into. The Nikon XTH225 is extremely popular in the UK for digitising
objects from ~2cm up to ~50cm. Resolution varies between 3-5 microns and
100 microns, depending on sample size etc. If you are looking for high
throughput of specimens below 10cm, a helical microCT such as the FEI
heliscan (designed originally for scanning of rock core samples) or
Scanco vivCT (designed for in-vivo scanning of rodents) may be worth
looking at too.
As ever, remember that the machine is just the beginning! Factor in
technicians, computing, file storage etc as well (this can add at least
another $100k to a budget).
Best,
Tom


On 6 December 2016 at 08:10, Angela Roggero  wrote:

> dear Luci,
>
> we too are interested in buying a microCT, and are examining some
> instruments just now. Essentially, we want to scan hundreds of similar,
> small and low-density objects (insects), and recently tested both SkyScan
> 1174, and 1172 (Brucker). Besides, I will be glad to know what is the
> better choice of microCT to be used on insects. Many thanks for any
> information, Angela Roggero
>
> Il 06/12/2016 01.06, Murat Maga ha scritto:
>
> Dear Luci,
>
>
>
> The very short answer is, it depends on your application (scanning
> hundreds of same thing or a multi-user facility in which users will want to
> scan rocks, biological specimens, engine parts). The major companies I am
> familiar with are Bruker (Skyscan), Scanco and GE. Expect to pay anywhere
> from $250K to $700K, depending on the scanner you choose and your support
> agreement.
>
>
>
> Whatever you choose, there are very good open source packages. If you are
> spending tens of thousands of dollars on your analysis and visualization
> software, you are wasting money.
>
>
>
> M
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Kohn, Luci [mailto:lk...@siue.edu ]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 6:41 AM
> *To:* MORPHMET  
> *Subject:* [MORPHMET] micro-CT suggestions
>
>
>
> I am planning to apply for funding for a micro-CT unit (and associated
> software.  Does anyone have suggestions of models they would recommend?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Luci Kohn
>
>
>
>
>
> Luci Kohn, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor
> Department of Biological Sciences, Box 1651
> 44 Circle Drive, SLW 1155
> Southern Illinois University Edwardsville
> Edwardsville, IL  62026-1651
> Phone:  (618) 650-2394
> Fax:  (618) 650-3174
> e-mail:  lk...@siue.edu
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MORPHMET] RE: micro-CT suggestions

2016-12-06 Thread Angela Roggero 

dear Luci,

we too are interested in buying a microCT, and are examining some 
instruments just now. Essentially, we want to scan hundreds of similar, 
small and low-density objects (insects), and recently tested both 
SkyScan 1174, and 1172 (Brucker). Besides, I will be glad to know what 
is the better choice of microCT to be used on insects. Many thanks for 
any information, Angela Roggero



Il 06/12/2016 01.06, Murat Maga ha scritto:


Dear Luci,

The very short answer is, it depends on your application (scanning 
hundreds of same thing or a multi-user facility in which users will 
want to scan rocks, biological specimens, engine parts). The major 
companies I am familiar with are Bruker (Skyscan), Scanco and GE. 
Expect to pay anywhere from $250K to $700K, depending on the scanner 
you choose and your support agreement.


Whatever you choose, there are very good open source packages. If you 
are spending tens of thousands of dollars on your analysis and 
visualization software, you are wasting money.


M

*From:*Kohn, Luci [mailto:lk...@siue.edu]
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 6:41 AM
*To:* MORPHMET 
*Subject:* [MORPHMET] micro-CT suggestions

I am planning to apply for funding for a micro-CT unit (and associated 
software.  Does anyone have suggestions of models they would recommend?


Thanks in advance

Luci Kohn

Luci Kohn, Ph.D.
Associate Professor
Department of Biological Sciences, Box 1651
44 Circle Drive, SLW 1155
Southern Illinois University Edwardsville
Edwardsville, IL  62026-1651
Phone:  (618) 650-2394
Fax:  (618) 650-3174
e-mail: lk...@siue.edu 

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[MORPHMET] RE: micro-CT suggestions

2016-12-05 Thread Murat Maga 
Dear Luci,

The very short answer is, it depends on your application (scanning hundreds of 
same thing or a multi-user facility in which users will want to scan rocks, 
biological specimens, engine parts). The major companies I am familiar with are 
Bruker (Skyscan), Scanco and GE. Expect to pay anywhere from $250K to $700K, 
depending on the scanner you choose and your support agreement.

Whatever you choose, there are very good open source packages. If you are 
spending tens of thousands of dollars on your analysis and visualization 
software, you are wasting money.

M


From: Kohn, Luci [mailto:lk...@siue.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 6:41 AM
To: MORPHMET 
Subject: [MORPHMET] micro-CT suggestions


I am planning to apply for funding for a micro-CT unit (and associated 
software.  Does anyone have suggestions of models they would recommend?



Thanks in advance

Luci Kohn




Luci Kohn, Ph.D.
Associate Professor
Department of Biological Sciences, Box 1651
44 Circle Drive, SLW 1155
Southern Illinois University Edwardsville
Edwardsville, IL  62026-1651
Phone:  (618) 650-2394
Fax:  (618) 650-3174
e-mail:  lk...@siue.edu





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