Re: [Mpls] Give it up Phyllis
Without trying to beat a dead horse - I would hope that this issue would die. The facts: Phyllis ( a DFL rep.) introduced this motion. Cosponsored by a DFL colleague (Len Biernat). Supported by many (DFL and Republicans alike) and geared towards having Minneapolis and other cities adhere to a system of representation that has already been adopted by the majority of other cities. The proposal will fail as there is no sponsor in the senate (as it has in the past). The argument; This proposal is sound in the fact that we should not have to wait five years after a sensus to adjust our representation. The "ideal" here is to have an election just after the boundaries are redrawn to be fair to all. That makes sense. The reality; Phyllis is wasting our valuable time and money. This is not an issue for the state. Even if Phyllis were to pass this through the house and senate, like a kidney stone, with all of the moaning and crud, this still would not change a thing. The real problem (not DFL or Green Or Republican) is in our city's Charter. We would go through the same stuff in 2010-2003. If we changed the Charter to reflect redistricting and the timeliness of the elections then we would be achieving something. But for now we sit and argue about a proposal that will only cost us more money than it is worth and accomplish nothing. So drop it Phyllis. And let's get to task to make a real difference. CHANGE THE CHARTER. Valdis Rozentals SAW
RE: [Mpls] Give it up Phyllis
Ken Bradley states, in part, re: HF67... I agree this is the last thing our city needs... The city has serious financial difficulties caused by many years of neglect and mismanagement, this bill will only take time away from solving those problems... This legislation just helps to divide people, and that is not in the best interest of our city... [MH] AMEN! Where are our priorities? Michael Hohmann Linden Hills For market research, financial analysis, business planning, and project management... www.mahohmannbizplans.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Give it up Phyllis
Just for the record, and for what it is worth: I was at Ward 3, Precinct 6, after 8 p.m. on the evening of February 3. This was while the precinct's ballots for the Don Samuels-Olin Moore Special General Election were being counted. The person who came to the precinct to get the results on behalf of the Olin Moore campaign was Rep. Phyllis Kahn. Alan Shilepsky Downtown TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Give it up Phyllis
Phyllis Kahn's excuses, rationales, etc... they are not true and she knows it... what she should be paying attention to is the steadily rising resentment towards her and other DFLer's who continue to act as if they are immune from accountability. I was raised a Democrat and have been so soured on them over the years with the sort of games and sell outs they continue to do. Ms. Kahn should remember that , even when she is no longer an active politician, her actions now will alienate more and more people from current and future DFL politicians. Margaret Hastings-Mpls-Kingfield
RE: [Mpls] Give it up Phyllis
Margaret: I think we on the list are blessed with opinions but, less often, a 100 percent certain knowledge of the truth. If you're calling Phyllis a liar, say so. But I see no evidence that she is not acting on her convictions. You may disagree with her - I personally go back and forth on her bill - but that doesn't make her a liar. You offer no proof of your serious charge other than your opinion. As for accountability, she has been quite public, both at the legislature and on this forum, arguing for her bill. That's not something liars usually do. And last I hear, she was elected by her constituents despite repeated challenges from worthy opponents. In that, she is more accountable than most of us. I find reckless speculation and unsupported disparagement also alienates people from politics. David Brauer King Field -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 6:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] Give it up Phyllis Phyllis Kahn's excuses, rationales, etc... they are not true and she knows it... what she should be paying attention to is the steadily rising resentment towards her and other DFLer's who continue to act as if they are immune from accountability. TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Give it up Phyllis
In her fight to mandate early elections for Minneapolis, Phyllis Kahn is behaving much like George W. Bush in his push to escalate the war against Iraq. Anyone with a shred of common sense and decency knows she's bullying and rationalizing just to settle a score. If she gets her way, it will be a Pyrrhic victory for her and the old guard DFL like Margaret Hastings suggested, not to mention an outright victory for the Republicans. ---Peter Schmitz, CARAG TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Give it up Phyllis
David Brauer wrote: And last I hear, she was elected by her constituents despite repeated challenges from worthy opponents. In that, she is more accountable than most of us. Trent Lott, Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms, and George Wallace have all been elected despite repeated challenges from worthy opponents. I don't see how this implies that they were accountable in any moral or ethical sense. I think that it only implies that they are accountable in some pragmatic sense to the majority of their constituents who voted to kept them in office. Democracy does not guarantee high ethical standards; it only assures that, in most cases, representatives reflect the will of the majority of those who vote in elections. Michael Atherton Prospect Park TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Give it up Phyllis
Michael writes: Trent Lott, Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms, and George Wallace have all been elected despite repeated challenges from worthy opponents. I don't see how this implies that they were accountable in any moral or ethical sense. I think that it only implies that they are accountable in some pragmatic sense to the majority of their constituents who voted to kept them in office. Democracy does not guarantee high ethical standards; it only assures that, in most cases, representatives reflect the will of the majority of those who vote in elections. My point, in this case, was not about ethics - Margaret mentioned that Phyllis was also not accountable. My point is she is, at least to the voters of her district. As for ethics, I do think when you call someone a liar there should be proof rather than mere disagreement. David Brauer King Field TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Give it up Phyllis
I've been reading a few of these emails about Rep. Kahn and the proposed bill re. city elections. I strongly oppose this bill but really feel those who have questioned Rep. Kahn's motives are off base. I've heard Rep. Kahn at both hearings, read her posts, and talked to her about this. I believe she sees this as a legit. public policy debate...and she has a couple of decades of record showing she is willing to ask broad philosophical questions. She's not a party hack; never has been, never will be. Quite a few hacks, and opportunists, and people who just want to get back at Minneapolis for whatever reason, have joined her cause, but I don't think she is in it for partisan reasons. I think she is wrong, and I think this is just about the LAST thing Minneapolis needs at a time when every legislator...and every citizen...should set all these distracting, divisive issues aside to strongly unite behind fighting a proposed $80 million cut that will have a devastating effect on all of usbut I do think she is sincere. R.T. Rybak East Harriet TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Give it up Phyllis
R.T. Rybak wrote: I think she is wrong, and I think this is just about the LAST thing Minneapolis needs at a time when every legislator...and every citizen...should set all these distracting, divisive issues aside to strongly unite behind fighting a proposed $80 million cut that will have a devastating effect on all of usbut I do think she is sincere. If I have learned anything about American politics it's that image is everything and sincerity counts for very little. Representative Kahn has make her antagonistic feelings towards the Greens and the DFLers who support them clear. In terms of sincerity, it's difficult to disentangle motive from image. Michael Atherton Prospect Park TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
