RE: [Mpls] No Bikes on Lake Street?
As I see it, excluding bikes from Lake Street is yet another attempt by the county planners to "keep the ghetto out", and it's a form of racism and classism. Think about it - Lake Street won't accomodate bikes, and then there is the big mess of highway-style lanes for several blocks in either direction of I35-W that will come complements of Peter McLaughlin's brainchild (boondoggle) "Access Project". None of this promotes non-automobile traffic; they actually inhibit anything without a muffler. My guess is they are afraid that east-west access will become too easy, crossing the moat that is the freeway, and "exposing" the sheltered, wealthy neighborhoods to the west to all that the city has to offer. By the way, I've been casually following the Access Project for a long time, but I've never figured out why extra ramps for cars constitutes access. Would not true access accomodate transportation modes that are not currently accomodated? Also, I checked out www.stride-mn.org, and can report that the site has been updated with a great deal of additional information. I learned more than I wanted to know about the dirty politics surrounding this boondoggle. Peter McLaughlin ought to think hard about proceeding with this project or not.Tom WellingUptown--- On Tue 03/04, Dave Piehl < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:From: Dave Piehl [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 07:43:50 -0800 (PST)Subject: [Mpls] No Bikes on Lake Street?Jim MCGUIRE wrote:The Greenway is wonderful, but it is not a replacementfor access to main streets.David Piehl writes:Absolutely!!Jim writes:In any case, it seems that this is a non-issue sinceit appears that the "ban" on Lake St. was just a rumor(unless there's something I've missed, which iscertainly possible)David writes:As it turns out, it's not a ban per say - bikes justwon't be accomodated. Bikes are not currentlyaccomodated, but this plan is supposed to be for thenext 40 yrs, and parts of Lake St will be 7 lanes wide- pretty much eliminating the feasibility of biking onLake except for a few daring souls. David PiehlCentral__Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, morehttp://taxes.yahoo.com/TEMPORARY REMINDER:1. Send all posts in plain-text format.2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible.Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-DemocracyPost messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mplsJoin Excite! - http://www.excite.comThe most personalized portal on the Web!
Re: [Mpls] No Bikes on Lake Street?
I love the Greenway and make use of it during the day. But after dark it doesn't feel safe.As the economy continues to get worse, and with more and more poor people losing their safety net, crime will eventually go up, despite all the recent efforts of City Hall to turn Minneapolis into a police state. With this in mind, if I bike after dark, I'd rather pedal on roads like Lake Street where traffic is moderate to heavy.--Peter Schmitz, CARAG TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] No Bikes on Lake Street?
Jim MCGUIRE wrote: The Greenway is wonderful, but it is not a replacement for access to main streets. David Piehl writes: Absolutely!! Jim writes: In any case, it seems that this is a non-issue since it appears that the "ban" on Lake St. was just a rumor (unless there's something I've missed, which is certainly possible) David writes: As it turns out, it's not a ban per say - bikes just won't be accomodated. Bikes are not currently accomodated, but this plan is supposed to be for the next 40 yrs, and parts of Lake St will be 7 lanes wide - pretty much eliminating the feasibility of biking on Lake except for a few daring souls. David Piehl Central __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] No Bikes on Lake Street?
Indeed, the Greenway is only a block north of Lake Street, but for people who want to access businesses on Lake such as myself, it doesn't make sense to get into the trench and then not have access at Lake. By removing (or more accurately; not accomodating) bikes on Lake St., you remove a lot of street level activity that can nurture small businesses. David Piehl Central --- Michael Hohmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dave Piehl writes, in part, regarding a lack of bike > lanes on Lake Street: > > My question for project organizers and list > members: > > Is this a done deal? I certainly recognize the > space > > limitations, but firmly believe that a plan that > will > > allegedly serve the area for the next 40 years > really > > needs to include some form of non-automobile > > transportation. Have bike lanes been rejected out > of > > hand? If so, by whom? Is there a possibility of > > putting them into the plan? Are alternative > transport > > concepts from other cities and countries being > > considered, or do we always have to be 20 years > behind > > the curve in Minnesota? > > > [MH] Don't forget, the Greenway is only a block > north of Lake and includes > pedestrian walkways and bike lanes, and likely some > form of mass transit at > some point in the future. > > Michael Hohmann > Linden Hills > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] No Bikes on Lake Street?
[MH] Don't forget, the Greenway is only a block north of Lake and includes pedestrian walkways and bike lanes, and likely some form of mass transit at some point in the future. I don't believe anyone has forgotten this, but it is a seperate issue from bike access on Lake St. It would be like telling someone in a car that we're closing down Franklin but it doesn't matter because Lake St. is only a mile away. The Greenway is wonderful, but it is not a replacement for access to main streets. In any case, it seems that this is a non-issue since it appears that the "ban" on Lake St. was just a rumor (unless there's something I've missed, which is certainly possible) Jim McGuire Como _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] No Bikes on Lake Street?
Dave Piehl writes, in part, regarding a lack of bike lanes on Lake Street: > My question for project organizers and list members: > Is this a done deal? I certainly recognize the space > limitations, but firmly believe that a plan that will > allegedly serve the area for the next 40 years really > needs to include some form of non-automobile > transportation. Have bike lanes been rejected out of > hand? If so, by whom? Is there a possibility of > putting them into the plan? Are alternative transport > concepts from other cities and countries being > considered, or do we always have to be 20 years behind > the curve in Minnesota? > [MH] Don't forget, the Greenway is only a block north of Lake and includes pedestrian walkways and bike lanes, and likely some form of mass transit at some point in the future. Michael Hohmann Linden Hills TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] No Bikes on Lake Street?
Jim Grube wrote: (snip) I may have said that once Lake Street is reconstructed, bikes would be prohibited. This will not be the case. Because of the limited room along Lake Street, and a desire to avoid building removal, reconstructed Lake (snip) will (not) have bike lanes (it doesn't now). If bicyclists do wish to use Lake Street, they will be allowed to so (in the same manner they do today). David Piehl writes: Thanks for the clarification Jim - as I understand from your post: essentially, bike access does not exist today on Lake, and will not be incorporated into the new design (expected to be good for 40 years) either. My question for project organizers and list members: Is this a done deal? I certainly recognize the space limitations, but firmly believe that a plan that will allegedly serve the area for the next 40 years really needs to include some form of non-automobile transportation. Have bike lanes been rejected out of hand? If so, by whom? Is there a possibility of putting them into the plan? Are alternative transport concepts from other cities and countries being considered, or do we always have to be 20 years behind the curve in Minnesota? David Piehl Central __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] No Bikes on Lake Street?
I hope this isn't true. First of all, it seems counter to the concept of an environmentally friendly city. Secondly, whose going to enforce this? Anyone see a perfect set-up for another reasons to hate cops? IF this is in the plans, I hope somebody is bright enough to change the plan immediately. Anne McCandless Jordan democracy.org/mpls TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] No Bikes on Lake Street?
I heard from someone who attended the Lake Street PAC meeting that Jim Grube of Hennepin County stated that as Lake Street is re-built, there will be no accomodation for bikes - bikes will actually be prohibited - can someone offer more insight and information on this?? David Piehl Central __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
