[Mpls] Crooks
Michael Lomker wrote: The police have never investigated burglaries. That isn't just a Minneapolis thing -- when I lived in rural Wisconsin they didn't investigate them, either. David Piehl writes: They investigate theft in Fargo-Moorhead, at least on the Fargo side. The Fargo-Moorhead area has about 230,000 people, and to their credit, they still take all crime very seriously. Last summer a convenience store was robbed in West Fargo, and later in the day the perpetrators were caught. Have convenience store robberies ever been solved in Minneapolis - at least intentionally solved? Court proceedings in Cass & Clay counties are reported in the Fargo Forum, and based on that I can see that punishments are real. I wish Minneapolis and Hennepin county could make up their mind who the victim is.hint: it's not the perpetrator of the crime!! David Piehl Central __ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
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> >I would support the creation of a civilian property crimes investigation >unit. Their purpose would be to go into low-risk situations >(post-burglary) and gather and analyze evidence, track patterns and so >forth. When their research and analysis amasses enough evidence to >identify a suspect, the case can be turned over to police. I like this idea. I do think it's important to investigate these crimes. I've been a victim of these types of crimes - bike theft, car vandalism, and it does reduce the livability of a neighborhood. I think if these are investigated and patterns looked at, some of the creeps could get caught. As far as what to do with them when they are caught, if restorative justice would work with them, I'd be fine with that. If they can't quit doing this type of stuff, then they need to be locked up. I also understand that catching people when they do lower level crime, before they get into more violent crime can help prevent that cycle. I'm not into locking them all up and throwing away the key. I am interested in figuring out ways to stop the behavior. I think this type of thing would be alot better than funding Spike Moss and his merry men to do what the police are supposed to be doing. It still bothers me that the police pulled back when Moss told them too. It seems like the police pulling back, meant reporters got beaten up. Eva Young Near North Minneapolis, MN ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
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> If we had a database of all these fingerprints, maybe we could catch > some of > these crooks. Heck, is there anyone sophisticated enough on this list > who > can develop a neighborhood system? If the police can arm Spike Moss > and his > crew to patrol and be willing to pay them, I say put in a proposal for > some > money for high tech equipment and do our own testing. > The government has been using our money for years on security yet our > secret > service and other entities can never find out anything in enough time > to do > anything proactive. Americans will have to take measures to protect > itself > since no one else is going to do it. > Life is so much easier when you know what the bottom line truly is. > Have a safe day. > Pamela Taylor > (Who is glad to know that her color is not the issue but would still > like to > know how Robert Schmidt got such good service living five blocks away. > We > know it's not a WASP thing either, so what's the magic word? - in > Clearwater) > Based on everything I've read I think my good service was the result of good timing and good luck. First of all, fingerprint databases DO exist now and the internet has made it practical for law enforcement to have access to state and federal databases so actually gathering the evidence had some value this time. Also, the window was broken in such a way that getting good fingerprints was a realistic possibility. Finally, the fingerprint specialist was available. It was late afternoon and it was a quiet day. As for developing a neighborhood computer system - it could be done for certain things but a fingerprint database would be impractical. The infrastructure necessary to support a biometrics database is large and expensive. The software alone would break a neighborhood budget. I would support the creation of a civilian property crimes investigation unit. Their purpose would be to go into low-risk situations (post-burglary) and gather and analyze evidence, track patterns and so forth. When their research and analysis amasses enough evidence to identify a suspect, the case can be turned over to police. Robert Schmid Central Neighborhood Candidate for Hennepin Soil & Water Board, District 2 Green Party Endorsed ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] crooks
You see news stories about decades-old murder or rape cases that are being solved using this technology. So given this modern technology, would it not make sense for the Minneapolis Police policy to be reconsidered? If they took fingerprint samples from all house break-ins, they might be able to identify the people responsible. They wouldn't have to do much investigating beyond the computer search. But once they caught one, they might be able to use the fingerprint evidence to connect him to other break-ins, and so maybe put a career criminal away for a longer time. Since I've heard that a small number of criminals are responsible for many of the break-ins in the city, this might greatly reduce the incidence of break-ins. 2) If they aren't going to do any investigative work, then the Minneapolis police response to house break-ins amounts to little more than filing a case number for use in insurance reports. So why do we have to spend the money to send a squad car and 2 sworn officers to take this report? We could assign all these house break-ins to a civilian clerical worker, who could file the appropriate reports & case numbers for the householders insurance company. That would certainly save a lot of taxpayer money, and be just as effective (on as ineffective). Tim Bonham, Ward 12, Standish-Ericsson ___ I agree. There should be a little booklet sent out telling taxpayers exactly what services our MPD provides and what they do not. Citizens are living under a false sense of security through no fault of their own. Had this list not enlightened me to reality, I would have remained ignorant. I would have stupidly thought that my life, civil liberty and apple pie were being protected If we had a database of all these fingerprints, maybe we could catch some of these crooks. Heck, is there anyone sophisticated enough on this list who can develop a neighborhood system? If the police can arm Spike Moss and his crew to patrol and be willing to pay them, I say put in a proposal for some money for high tech equipment and do our own testing. The government has been using our money for years on security yet our secret service and other entities can never find out anything in enough time to do anything proactive. Americans will have to take measures to protect itself since no one else is going to do it. Life is so much easier when you know what the bottom line truly is. Have a safe day. Pamela Taylor (Who is glad to know that her color is not the issue but would still like to know how Robert Schmidt got such good service living five blocks away. We know it's not a WASP thing either, so what's the magic word? - in Clearwater) ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
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"could that have had anything to do with it?" In a word, maybe. Some years ago, my next door neighbor kicked in my door at 18th ave. and 26th st. and stole about $5,000.oo worth of recording equipment. If I'm not mistaken, that would be felony burglary. The man's footprint was on the door, it was a very clear impression from a brand new shoe. The same footprints led directly to his door in the mud and snow, and were all over that property. The cops didn't want to hear about it, and we had to argue with them just to get them to take the serial numbers from all of the equipment for their report. A couple days later, my roommate and I saw the neighbor and some other guys taking 3 huge console tv's , a couple of microwaves and lots of stereo gear to from their house to a van at 3:00 A.M. We called the cops, who never came,( it took them almost a half hour to load up the van) and we followed them to a commercial building and watched them unload. We reported all of this to the police, who did nothing. I am a white male, the cops were all white males. Hmm. Mike Nelson Central - Original Message - From: "Pamela Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Chris L Beckwith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Mpls - Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 11:11 AM Subject: RE: [Mpls] crooks > List, > > I got ripped off and I blame the banks. I did not overdraft my TCF account. > I had my home broken into and a book of blank checks stolen. The crooks > cleaned me out. When I was filling out the paperwork at the bank, I asked > how they could cash those checks when the signature clearly did not match? > Of course they have no answer for that. So what is the point in having > those signature cards if they don't have any intention of checking it > against the one on the check? I was robbed in January of 2000. It took > them until April of that year to determine that they should give me back my > money. > > Previous to that I had been robbed and the burglars broke windows and such, > and left clear fingerprints on the remaining windows and walls. I > immediately called the police, touching nothing, so they could gather > evidence. It took them almost two hours to arrive at my home, and when they > finally got there, they said it was not customary for them to dust for > fingerprints. They wrote a report, which nothing ever came of, and gathered > no type of evidence. I was given some crappy story, and I was quite pissed > with the men in blue when they left. If I hadn't been a law-abiding kind of > gal, I would have hit them over the head on their way out. They seemed > useless. > > Incidentally, I lived in the Central neighborhood in a nice house on the > corner of 34th and Park Avenue, I am a woman, and African-American. Hmm... > Could that have had anything to do with it? > > Pamela Taylor > (Clearwater) > > > > ___ > Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy > Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: > http://e-democracy.org/mpls ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] crooks/Victim of concentration of poverty/Not the police
Hat's off Keith!! Hats of Barb!! Folks, crime happens! If our police force were fully staffed to take on the crimes that plaque our streets, and I mean beat officers ON THE STREET, not in some desk job filling out forms for the county, state and the cities own inner legal system (overburdened by vague claims and hollow accusations against city workers and the city as a whole), we could take the time to dust for prints and investigate. We have strayed far too far from the idea that we must punish those who commit crimes. We bury our city employees in forms and procedures in fear of covering our own hind end in case someone running out of your house with your TV, is tripped up by a police dog, and breaks a collar bone, and then sues the city for the sum thirty times the value of your TV, (which you won't be reimbursed for in the next year) so that they can then buy a bigger one than they intended to steal from you, two hour after being released by the court on the count that we do not have the ability or resources to punish someone who is a repeat offender as we are out of money - as we just paid another stinking lawsuit to a criminal! Let's stop wondering why we are victims and start working together as a city to band together and make this a great city. If you have someone in your neighborhood who is breaking the law - don't sit at home and whine about it! Get involved in your neighborhood! Take control of your neighborhood! Assist the police as much as you can. But don't waste your breath and the valuable time of others by bantering about how you feel victimized by the way you were treated by a thug in your area you refer to as a police officer! Community involvement is a great deterrent. Let's seek that rout before we run through the person who is trying to get to everyone who is a victim on a daily basis. Sincerely, Valdis Rozentals. "Burglarized before" Saint Anthony West ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] crooks/Victim of concentration of poverty/Not the police
In a message dated 9/9/02 9:07:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Previous to that I had been robbed and the burglars broke windows and such, > and left clear fingerprints on the remaining windows and walls. I > immediately called the police, touching nothing, so they could gather > evidence. It took them almost two hours to arrive at my home, and when they > finally got there, they said it was not customary for them to dust for > fingerprints. They wrote a report, which nothing ever came of, and gathered > no type of evidence. I was given some crappy story, and I was quite pissed > with the men in blue when they left. If I hadn't been a law-abiding kind of > gal, I would have hit them over the head on their way out. They seemed > useless. > > Incidentally, I lived in the Central neighborhood in a nice house on the > corner of 34th and Park Avenue, I am a woman, and African-American. Hmm... > Could that have had anything to do with it? > > Pamela Taylor > (Clearwater) > > Keith says; Sure if, "it" , is why you were a victim of a crime You are a person living in the hood. Hence more chance of being a crime victim. Black on black crime is reportedly 'off the hook' , you are half the equation=do the math. Female; again target. Were you the sole head of household. Female heads of household in the hood are prevalent, and extra-vulnerable. Do you think they are targeted by crooks? I do. I do not blame the police for not gathering evidence in a break in. It is simply cost prohibitive and futile. Unless there is murder, assault and battery, or kidnapping, there just isn't the resources for research. I bet you filed your claim with your insurance company. At least I hope you did. I feel sad, hearing your story. I also hate being a crime victim. I wish you strength, security, and success. My only comfort when I am the victim of theft is: I bet so-and so is not any better off for having made off with my gear. I bet his life is just as pathetic and trivial as before the theft. Your strength, and rebounding character, are your best friend, and best revenge. Keith Reitman NearNorth ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
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>Previous to that I had been robbed and the burglars broke windows and such, >and left clear fingerprints on the remaining windows and walls. I >immediately called the police, touching nothing, so they could gather >evidence. It took them almost two hours to arrive at my home, and when they >finally got there, they said it was not customary for them to dust for >fingerprints. They wrote a report, which nothing ever came of, and gathered >no type of evidence. I was given some crappy story, and I was quite pissed >with the men in blue when they left. If I hadn't been a law-abiding kind of >gal, I would have hit them over the head on their way out. They seemed >useless. > >Incidentally, I lived in the Central neighborhood in a nice house on the >corner of 34th and Park Avenue, I am a woman, and African-American. Hmm... >Could that have had anything to do with it? > >Pamela Taylor (Clearwater) No, that didn't have anything to do with it. The same thing happened to me, a white male living in a nice house in the conservative 12th ward (Denny Schulstad territory, at the time). The police told me that there were so many house break-ins throughout the city that there was no way the city police had the staffing to do all the investigating that you see in TV shows. And that fingerprinting would not be much use, since no lab worker would ever have the time to compare the fingerprints to their huge master file of fingerprints. (Also, they pointed out that the filing and trail of paperwork required to make sure the fingerprints were presentable in court greatly added to the costs. I hadn't thought about that.) I guess I can accept these responses as realistically accurate, though I'm not happy about them. But they do raise a couple of questions. 1) The problem of comparing sample fingerprints against the huge master file may have been real at that time (about 15 years ago), but now we have automated computer matching systems which can do this checking. You see news stories about decades-old murder or rape cases that are being solved using this technology. So given this modern technology, would it not make sense for the Minneapolis Police policy to be reconsidered? If they took fingerprint samples from all house break-ins, they might be able to identify the people responsible. They wouldn't have to do much investigating beyond the computer search. But once they caught one, they might be able to use the fingerprint evidence to connect him to other break-ins, and so maybe put a career criminal away for a longer time. Since I've heard that a small number of criminals are responsible for many of the break-ins in the city, this might greatly reduce the incidence of break-ins. 2) If they aren't going to do any investigative work, then the Minneapolis police response to house break-ins amounts to little more than filing a case number for use in insurance reports. So why do we have to spend the money to send a squad car and 2 sworn officers to take this report? We could assign all these house break-ins to a civilian clerical worker, who could file the appropriate reports & case numbers for the householders insurance company. That would certainly save a lot of taxpayer money, and be just as effective (on as ineffective). Tim Bonham, Ward 12, Standish-Ericsson ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
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IMHO, I don't think the fact that you are African American had anything to do with your treatment in this case. I am a white, blue-eyed blonde and experienced the same treatment. Perhaps the thing we both have in common is that we live in inner-city neighborhoods. I suspect we get treated differently as a result. At least that has been my experience. I was robbed at 3:00 a.m. WHILE WE WERE IN THE HOUSE ASLEEP! My husband chased them out of our house with a baseball bat. But, the 40 year old couldn't catch the 20 year old. It was -25 degrees that night and not a good night to be running the street in your underwear. We have an alarm, but, we both forgot to set it that night. BIG MISTAKE! The police came in our house, separated us from each other, interviewed us, made us feel like we arranged to be robbed. They intimated that the prepetrators must have been someone we knew. They didn't take fingerprints or anything else. I spent the next three weeks investigating and solving the crime myself. I finally presented enough evidence to justify the police obtaining a warrant to search the apartment. The police entered the apartment and recovered what had'nt been sold of our stolen items. They took the items into custody as "evidence". No arrests could be made because they couldn't prove these people stole my stuff or even knew the stuff was stolen when they received it. The guy who lived in that apartment had 23 prior arrests for burglary of dwelling. Ours made #24. He was not arrested for our crime. A year later, a nice investigating officer knocked on my door wondering if we had seen the guy that robbed us "hanging around". They were looking for him in connection with a murder case they were investigating. 2 years later, the police evidence department called us and wanted to know if we wanted our recliner love seat back because they were finished with it. (The people who stole our reclining love seat sawed it in half so they could each have their own recliner) The odd thing about this whole story is that the guy who robbed me was running a crack house and prostitution house over on 28th and Blaisdell. I was contacted by the block club over there requesting my assistance in getting this place shut down. I helped them get rid of him over there just to end up with him living up the street from me. Of course, he didn't rent the apartment in his name and his name was not on the lease. He had his stupid girlfriend who had no record rent the apartment in her name. Within a couple weeks he had set-up his drug dealing and stolen goods fencing shop in that building. Barb Lickness Whittier = "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
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Pamela Taylor wrote: >Previous to that I had been robbed and the burglars broke windows and such, >and left clear fingerprints on the remaining windows and walls. I >immediately called the police, touching nothing, so they could gather >evidence. It took them almost two hours to arrive at my home, and when they >finally got there, they said it was not customary for them to dust for >fingerprints. They wrote a report, which nothing ever came of, and gathered >no type of evidence. > I was curious enough about this to call the property crimes department of the 3rd precinct and ask what the drill is on property crimes when the perps have fled. Answer from Officer Scherry (sp?)paraphrased: There are so many variables. Point of entry is one. Surface with possible prints. Number of people in the household. Whether the stuff stolen had serial numbers. Whether the officer was alert or whether the officer was worn out, going from call to call as quickly as possible. Whether it was a very busy night or a slow night. What type of other crimes were being committed around the same time. I would opine that if it took them 2 hours to get there, there was a lot going on that night. We've all known nights when the police, fire, and ambulance sirens are going off every little whip stitch. At this point in time, police are focusing on auto theft so that the fingerprint persons will come out to car theft. The attempt is to get car theft down to a low roar because it has skyrocketed through this past year. WizardMarks Central > > >___ >Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy >Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: >http://e-democracy.org/mpls > ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
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Craig Miller wrote: >The citizens of Mpls, Henn Cty, State of MN like it the way it is. It's >cheaper housing criminals in Phillips, Whittier, Jordan or wherever. > WM: I don't necessarily disagree with Craig's assessment but I have two comments: 1. It was ever thus. When anthropologists dig up Troy or Gnossos or whereever, there are the monuments, public buildings, and homes of the wealthy. They're the ones made of stone. When they got to digging the Troy site, there were seven layers of city. How many times did the ancient real estate brokers buy out a neighborhood to build a wealthy man's house, put in an aquaduct, build a statium? How many wars included a manoever like Sherman's march to the sea where armies burn down everything in their paths? 2. I'm not sure that the citizens like it the way it is. I do know that former police chief Tony Bouza said publicly that the police force is there to protect the haves against the have nots. I'll add that the middle class is there to place a buffer between the haves and the have nots. >WizardMarks, Central > >___ >Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy >Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: >http://e-democracy.org/mpls > ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
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> corner of 34th and Park Avenue, I am a woman, and > African-American. Hmm... > Could that have had anything to do with it? I doubt it. The police have never investigated burglaries. That isn't just a Minneapolis thing -- when I lived in rural Wisconsin they didn't investigate them, either. They filled out a report and when they happened to arrest someone for burglary a while later they looked at the reports and asked us about some of the stolen merchandise. They had some of our stuff and that was that--incidentally, they were minors and had their hands slapped. It's usually teens that are doing that type of thing...adults move on to more lucrative crimes. -Michael Lomker, North Loop ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
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I live 5 blocks from where Pam lived. Last year my garage was broken into. They busted a window to get in. The police were prompt and, when the saw the broken glass, they called for a crime lab specialist to take fingerprints. (I had fun watching that part.) I am satisfied with Police response in this case. They showed up quickly and they took prints. I don't expect them to be able to find the perp on this alone but it does allow them to A) run a match against prints on file or B) group my case with several others if they are lucky enough to catch someone. Why was my service better than both Pam and Craig? I don't know. Banks: Years ago my girlfriend lost $200 out of cash machine - she must have left the card in and the next person took advantage of it. TCF lied to us on two counts - first that the card was ejected before the receipt and second that she was liable for the total amount. ( There was a $50 limit on her liability.) Was she careless? Yes. But that doesn't allow TCF to lie to her to avoid their liability. I have many other complaints against TCF and I long for the day when they go out of business. On Monday, September 9, 2002, at 11:57 AM, Craig Miller wrote: > This is a great post for demonstration purposes. The points I make > here are > all my opinion. I think Pamela is what New Yorkers call a 'soon to be a > Republican'. Or loosely. A Democrat who hasn't been mugged yet. > > > >> List, >> >> I got ripped off and I blame the banks. I did not overdraft my TCF > account. >> I had my home broken into and a book of blank checks stolen. The >> crooks >> cleaned me out. When I was filling out the paperwork at the bank, I >> asked >> how they could cash those checks when the signature clearly did not >> match? >> Of course they have no answer for that. So what is the point in >> having >> those signature cards if they don't have any intention of checking it >> against the one on the check? I was robbed in January of 2000. It >> took >> them until April of that year to determine that they should give me >> back > my >> money. > > The bank is fulfilling the requirements to get re-imbursed from their > loss > prevention specialists (Insurance). They will pay you off when they > get paid > off. They need to verify and be sure it wasn't a personal job. Please > do not > take that personal. >> >> Previous to that I had been robbed and the burglars broke windows and > such, >> and left clear fingerprints on the remaining windows and walls. I >> immediately called the police, touching nothing, so they could gather >> evidence. It took them almost two hours to arrive at my home, and >> when > they >> finally got there, they said it was not customary for them to dust for >> fingerprints. They wrote a report, which nothing ever came of, and > gathered >> no type of evidence. I was given some crappy story, and I was quite >> pissed >> with the men in blue when they left. If I hadn't been a law-abiding >> kind > of >> gal, I would have hit them over the head on their way out. They seemed >> useless. > > When we got burgled in prestigious SW. The cops laughed at me for > leaving a > window/screen open. I didn't get mad, I slapped my head and went > DOH > They gave me a form to fill out and give it to my insurance. That was > the > end. > > When I got hit by an un-insured motorist, the cops had him in custody > right > there. He handed me a card for my insurance company. Restitution from > the > man who totaled by car-jo-daily bread??? Na. Get the picture. Prop > crime is solved by personal insurance. You are responsible for your > loss.The > city is not going to get the bad guy and make him pay. Never, never, > never. > > Today's Strib quotes a downtown Police Inspector. To many crimes are > going > un-punished. Didn't we just see a stunning number of something like > over > half of Henn County traffic fines are not being paid? Lets see, we've > determined that Property Crime is not a matter to be addressed by law > enforcement. Now we have misdemenor offenses being not dealt with > (downtown) > or applied as building code(Ask Tony Scallon). What's next on the old > crime > chart? Felonieshm who can we offload that on? >> >> Incidentally, I lived in the Central neighborhood in a nice house on >> the >> corner of 34th and Park Avenue, I am a woman, and African-American. > Hmm... >> Could that have had anything to do with it? > Robert Schmid Central Neighborhood Candidate for Hennepin Soil & Water Board, District 2 Green Party Endorsed ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
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This is a great post for demonstration purposes. The points I make here are all my opinion. I think Pamela is what New Yorkers call a 'soon to be a Republican'. Or loosely. A Democrat who hasn't been mugged yet. > List, > > I got ripped off and I blame the banks. I did not overdraft my TCF account. > I had my home broken into and a book of blank checks stolen. The crooks > cleaned me out. When I was filling out the paperwork at the bank, I asked > how they could cash those checks when the signature clearly did not match? > Of course they have no answer for that. So what is the point in having > those signature cards if they don't have any intention of checking it > against the one on the check? I was robbed in January of 2000. It took > them until April of that year to determine that they should give me back my > money. The bank is fulfilling the requirements to get re-imbursed from their loss prevention specialists (Insurance). They will pay you off when they get paid off. They need to verify and be sure it wasn't a personal job. Please do not take that personal. > > Previous to that I had been robbed and the burglars broke windows and such, > and left clear fingerprints on the remaining windows and walls. I > immediately called the police, touching nothing, so they could gather > evidence. It took them almost two hours to arrive at my home, and when they > finally got there, they said it was not customary for them to dust for > fingerprints. They wrote a report, which nothing ever came of, and gathered > no type of evidence. I was given some crappy story, and I was quite pissed > with the men in blue when they left. If I hadn't been a law-abiding kind of > gal, I would have hit them over the head on their way out. They seemed > useless. When we got burgled in prestigious SW. The cops laughed at me for leaving a window/screen open. I didn't get mad, I slapped my head and went DOH They gave me a form to fill out and give it to my insurance. That was the end. When I got hit by an un-insured motorist, the cops had him in custody right there. He handed me a card for my insurance company. Restitution from the man who totaled by car-jo-daily bread??? Na. Get the picture. Prop crime is solved by personal insurance. You are responsible for your loss.The city is not going to get the bad guy and make him pay. Never, never, never. The police have no time to pursue these matters. Shots fired or other violent episodes take hours to respond. Mpls spends money on other things besides quick response. The citizens/voters/elected officials like it like that. Besides, if we did arrest all the bad guys, where would we put them? The citizens of Mpls, Henn Cty, State of MN like it the way it is. It's cheaper housing criminals in Phillips, Whittier, Jordan or wherever. By housing them in those neighborhoods, the taxpayer doesn't directly foot the bill. More of the incarceration cost is subsidized by the aforementioned people in those neighborhoods. Really folks, special thanks ought to go around to all those who vote year after year to house criminals in private housing. It saves us so much money in taxes. So what if someone's neighborhood goes down the drain. King George the III got in trouble for housing his army in private homes. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that Red Coats behaved better then your average 21 Century crack dealer. Today's Strib quotes a downtown Police Inspector. To many crimes are going un-punished. Didn't we just see a stunning number of something like over half of Henn County traffic fines are not being paid? Lets see, we've determined that Property Crime is not a matter to be addressed by law enforcement. Now we have misdemenor offenses being not dealt with (downtown) or applied as building code(Ask Tony Scallon). What's next on the old crime chart? Felonieshm who can we offload that on? > > Incidentally, I lived in the Central neighborhood in a nice house on the > corner of 34th and Park Avenue, I am a woman, and African-American. Hmm... > Could that have had anything to do with it? Slighly overweight married whiteboy who epitomizes busy middle class. We lived in lesser house but a better neighborhood ( if house values define) then Pam. We got the same level of law enforcement service. I don't blame the cops. I blame the county and state for not locking up bad guys. I blame the various levels of government for condoning, encouraging, or subsidizing the break up crucial building blocks such as families.There are so many people who need blame before the cops. Kind of like being a landlord. It's to easy of a target but still the wrong target. BTW Looks like the "Blame the Landlord" method is going to be applied as a final conclusion on the 26th Ave N Meelee. If in doubt yell " the butler did it!" It gets you to the next round of the game, when this round has lost it's flavor. Craig Miller Former Fultonite [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _
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List, I got ripped off and I blame the banks. I did not overdraft my TCF account. I had my home broken into and a book of blank checks stolen. The crooks cleaned me out. When I was filling out the paperwork at the bank, I asked how they could cash those checks when the signature clearly did not match? Of course they have no answer for that. So what is the point in having those signature cards if they don't have any intention of checking it against the one on the check? I was robbed in January of 2000. It took them until April of that year to determine that they should give me back my money. Previous to that I had been robbed and the burglars broke windows and such, and left clear fingerprints on the remaining windows and walls. I immediately called the police, touching nothing, so they could gather evidence. It took them almost two hours to arrive at my home, and when they finally got there, they said it was not customary for them to dust for fingerprints. They wrote a report, which nothing ever came of, and gathered no type of evidence. I was given some crappy story, and I was quite pissed with the men in blue when they left. If I hadn't been a law-abiding kind of gal, I would have hit them over the head on their way out. They seemed useless. Incidentally, I lived in the Central neighborhood in a nice house on the corner of 34th and Park Avenue, I am a woman, and African-American. Hmm... Could that have had anything to do with it? Pamela Taylor (Clearwater) ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
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Michael wrote, in part: > it's just easier for them to do business in cash, use check cashing > businesses and money orders, and avoid the bank altogether. Lots of folks > don't use banks, credit cards or ATMs, instead relying on cash and money > orders and barter to pay monthly bills. It's a diverse economy out there! > Chris responds: I wouldn't exactly tout check cashing stations as an option - granted, people use them, but most of the folks who rely on them are forced to because they have no other options, can't get checking accounts, etc. They wind up paying 10% (last I heard) of their check sum to the cashing station as a fee. It's legalized usury, plain and simple. It's expensive to be poor. For many banks, NSF fees have now become their primary profit centers. They used to claim it was a processing fee of some sort - that the fee represented the labor required to amend the account, etc. Now, of course, they don't even bother making that excuse - they simply lay a guilt trip on you (You spent money you didn't have!), so now it's a punitive fee. Only nobody ever explained how exactly banks determined it should cost a customer 30 - 40 dollars for bouncing a check, or for that matter why the NSF rates should continue to go up year after year like clockwork. (What, there's a demand? ) Guilt and punishment, in my estimation, was never an acceptable explanation for what's becoming blatant profiteering in fee determinations. Easily, before the decade's out, it'll probably cost an individual 50.00 or more to bounce a check. But that's just the tip of the iceberg. There are growing fee abuses across the spectrum of financial industry services, and they're becoming so routine we pretend we don't even notice anymore because it's useless to fight them. That thinking needs to change very quickly because things are getting out of hand. We're are really going to be paying through our noses if we don't start talking about as an issue, locally and nationally. When Wellstone campaigns this fall here in town, I plan on giving him hell about the power of the financial industry lobby. Everybody knows they're riding roughshod over the public, particularly low income folk, and nobody is doing anything to reign them in and set limits. Of course, they're major campaign contributors (need we say more?) and politicians fear them. And the newspapers certainly don't talk about financial industry abuses from the consumer point of view. But it's time to start speaking up. Otherwise, it will only get worse. Beckwith Ward 6 ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
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James Jacobsen // Whittier, writes in part: snip > ...How about the banks snip > ...when you deposit they don't credit you for so many days, but having > deposited you write checks to pay a few bills, the check hits the bank in > hours and there being no money there, -the deposit not having > been credited, > they bounce a bunch of your checks, charge you $30. per check and then the > notice doesn't come out to you for a few extra days, in which time you the > customer -fat dumb and happy- are writing a check or two in the > pool hall or > maybe the grocery store or to buy overshoes for your kid, and > then when you > find out, the bank has reaped hundreds of dollars in fees from your 'free' > checking account. > The overdraft and nsf fees make up as much or more as the > 'earnings' of > the banks -large and small- while the old time functions of the > banks -getting their earnings from interest on credits -or loans- > which they > do little of anymore, is a joke. People can complain to the bank and state regulators, the Federal Reserve, etc.-- usually to no avail; but for many, they just quit playing that game-- it's just easier for them to do business in cash, use check cashing businesses and money orders, and avoid the bank altogether. Lots of folks don't use banks, credit cards or ATMs, instead relying on cash and money orders and barter to pay monthly bills. It's a diverse economy out there! Michael Hohmann ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
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A few weeks ago somebody made a statement about the Kennedys, Rockefellers etc that they were crooks, I didn't disagree as I know that for instance, Franklyn Delano Roosevelt's mother's family, the Delanos -as well as numerous other good family names- made lots of money pushing opium into the Orient in context of the early last century episode in which the Queen's navy fired cannon into Chinese harbors to force them to accept the West shiping and selling drugs into China. To put it in context of Minneapolis though, does anyone know of any instance of big time crooks operating in the city and stealing from everyone? How about the banks; Wells Fargo and TCF advertise 'Free Checking', then when you deposit they don't credit you for so many days, but having deposited you write checks to pay a few bills, the check hits the bank in hours and there being no money there, -the deposit not having been credited, they bounce a bunch of your checks, charge you $30. per check and then the notice doesn't come out to you for a few extra days, in which time you the customer -fat dumb and happy- are writing a check or two in the pool hall or maybe the grocery store or to buy overshoes for your kid, and then when you find out, the bank has reaped hundreds of dollars in fees from your 'free' checking account. The overdraft and nsf fees make up as much or more as the 'earnings' of the banks -large and small- while the old time functions of the banks -getting their earnings from interest on credits -or loans- which they do little of anymore, is a joke. The banks have charters issued by State and Federal Government on which they have to be convincing that they will serve their community, and so they spend $35 per month putting adds in neighborhood papers, they keep a scrapbook of the adds and show it to regulators to evidence compliance with Community Reinvestment Act law. Some of them do some little bit of community investment but little to justify being the depository for all the thousands of wage earners and depositors up and down the streets. Anybody got any combat stories about banks? Attorneys are as bad or worse for robbing people. Anybody got any good Minneapolis attorney stories? James Jacobsen // Whittier ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
