RE: [mssms] Apps to user groups

2016-07-12 Thread Stuart Watret 
Thanks Adam, I’ll try that also.

Created a fresh app, did the deployment to the dp, prior to the deployment of 
the app (prior to this I’d done the DP’s from the deployment wizard) and only 
chose one dp – app showed up as soon as policy was refreshed.

I’ll try some more permutations.

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Adam Juelich
Sent: 12 July 2016 17:36
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: Re: [mssms] Apps to user groups

Are you using the option 'pre-deploy to users primary device?'  I found that if 
you don't select that, the Deployment will only show up when the client checks 
policy while that user is logged into the machine.  In order to get UDA 
deployments to process quicker I had to select that option.  I'm not sure if 
that is the reason for that option or not but it is what worked for me.

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Stuart Watret 
<stu...@offshore-it.co.uk<mailto:stu...@offshore-it.co.uk>> wrote:
Did a new app last night, new deployment to user collection with one account as 
a direct member.

Sure enough nothing.

Came in his morning it was there.

Just removed the deployment, refreshed policy and it disappeared.

Immediately re-created a new deployment to the same user collection, refreshed 
policy and it appeared instantly.

That to me suggests the delay is in the app creation/dp check somewhere.

I’m going to do another deployment to a new user collection for the same app 
and see what happens.


On 12 Jul 2016, at 13:04, Marcum, John 
<jmar...@bradley.com<mailto:jmar...@bradley.com>> wrote:

Send me the client logs offline.

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Watret
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 9:22 AM

To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: Re: [mssms] RE: Apps to user groups


Hi John,
I’ve simplified it today, targeting a user collection with direct members.

Forced App Discovery on the client, no mention of the app in the log.

App is deployed to one dp and has been for days.

On 11 Jul 2016, at 15:07, Marcum, John 
<jmar...@bradley.com<mailto:jmar...@bradley.com>> wrote:

Are you adding the user accounts to the AD group or directly to the collection? 
I do AD group and use the query below for my collections. Everything installs 
the next time policy refreshes which for me is 30 min. I have incremental 
updates enabled for all the collections too.




select 
SMS_R_USER.ResourceID,SMS_R_USER.ResourceType,SMS_R_USER.Name,SMS_R_USER.UniqueUserName,SMS_R_USER.WindowsNTDomain
 from SMS_R_User where SMS_R_User.UserGroupName = "bradleyarant\\7-Zip"

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Watret
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 8:58 AM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: Re: [mssms] RE: Apps to user groups

Ok, new day.
Arrived to find everything had arrived over the weekend.

No server or client restarts, no evidence of a digital enema anywhere.

Removed all the deployments, and watched them all go from the new client centre.

Had a nice lunch to celebrate.

Just deployed a new app again and 15mins later, nothing.

I’ll leave it overnight - but why the delay deploying to users/groups when 
deploying to system is almost instant?

Stuart

On 8 Jul 2016, at 21:42, Stuart Watret 
<stu...@offshore-it.co.uk<mailto:stu...@offshore-it.co.uk>> wrote:

Thanks Adam,
Our users are fairly static and less than 15% of our apps these days are 
locally installed via CM, the rest are Appv so it’s not a worry here.

Yes checked and double checked; tried it all sorts of combinations.
Deleted everything, reset, different app, new user collections.

Very odd, seems fundamental to me.

Parked it till Monday and I can look with a fresh head !

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Juelich, Adam
Sent: 08 July 2016 19:09
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: Re: [mssms] RE: Apps to user groups

If you deploy to Users without UDA specified and set as a requirement, aren't 
you opening yourself up to that Application potentially installing on any 
machine they are logged into that does a policy pull?

Also, be sure you aren't adding the AD Group to a User Collection via a Direct 
Rule.  You will need to do a query for users that are members of that AD group 
to get it to pull in the correct users.

---
Adam Juelich
Pulaski Community School District<http://www.pulaskischools.org/>
Client Management Specialist
920-822-6075

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 9:27 AM, Stuart Watret 
<stu...@offshore-it.co.uk<mailto:stu...@of

Re: [mssms] Apps to user groups

2016-07-12 Thread Adam Juelich 
Are you using the option 'pre-deploy to users primary device?'  I found
that if you don't select that, the Deployment will only show up when the
client checks policy while that user is logged into the machine.  In order
to get UDA deployments to process quicker I had to select that option.  I'm
not sure if that is the reason for that option or not but it is what worked
for me.

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Stuart Watret <stu...@offshore-it.co.uk>
wrote:

> Did a new app last night, new deployment to user collection with one
> account as a direct member.
>
> Sure enough nothing.
>
> Came in his morning it was there.
>
> Just removed the deployment, refreshed policy and it disappeared.
>
> Immediately re-created a new deployment to the same user collection,
> refreshed policy and it appeared instantly.
>
> That to me suggests the delay is in the app creation/dp check somewhere.
>
> I’m going to do another deployment to a new user collection for the same
> app and see what happens.
>
>
> On 12 Jul 2016, at 13:04, Marcum, John <jmar...@bradley.com> wrote:
>
> Send me the client logs offline.
>
> *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [
> mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com <listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Stuart Watret
> *Sent:* Monday, July 11, 2016 9:22 AM
>
> *To:* mssms@lists.myitforum.com
> *Subject:* Re: [mssms] RE: Apps to user groups
>
>
> Hi John,
> I’ve simplified it today, targeting a user collection with direct members.
>
> Forced App Discovery on the client, no mention of the app in the log.
>
> App is deployed to one dp and has been for days.
>
>
> On 11 Jul 2016, at 15:07, Marcum, John <jmar...@bradley.com> wrote:
>
> Are you adding the user accounts to the AD group or directly to the
> collection? I do AD group and use the query below for my collections.
> Everything installs the next time policy refreshes which for me is 30 min.
> I have incremental updates enabled for all the collections too.
>
>
>
>
> select
> SMS_R_USER.ResourceID,SMS_R_USER.ResourceType,SMS_R_USER.Name,SMS_R_USER.UniqueUserName,SMS_R_USER.WindowsNTDomain
> from SMS_R_User where SMS_R_User.UserGroupName = "bradleyarant\\7-Zip"
>
> *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [
> mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com <listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Stuart Watret
> *Sent:* Monday, July 11, 2016 8:58 AM
> *To:* mssms@lists.myitforum.com
> *Subject:* Re: [mssms] RE: Apps to user groups
>
> Ok, new day.
> Arrived to find everything had arrived over the weekend.
>
> No server or client restarts, no evidence of a digital enema anywhere.
>
> Removed all the deployments, and watched them all go from the new client
> centre.
>
> Had a nice lunch to celebrate.
>
> Just deployed a new app again and 15mins later, nothing.
>
> I’ll leave it overnight - but why the delay deploying to users/groups when
> deploying to system is almost instant?
>
> Stuart
>
>
> On 8 Jul 2016, at 21:42, Stuart Watret <stu...@offshore-it.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Thanks Adam,
> Our users are fairly static and less than 15% of our apps these days are
> locally installed via CM, the rest are Appv so it’s not a worry here.
>
> Yes checked and double checked; tried it all sorts of combinations.
> Deleted everything, reset, different app, new user collections.
>
> Very odd, seems fundamental to me.
>
> Parked it till Monday and I can look with a fresh head !
>
> *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [
> mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com <listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Juelich, Adam
> *Sent:* 08 July 2016 19:09
> *To:* mssms@lists.myitforum.com
> *Subject:* Re: [mssms] RE: Apps to user groups
>
> If you deploy to Users without UDA specified and set as a requirement,
> aren't you opening yourself up to that Application potentially installing
> on any machine they are logged into that does a policy pull?
>
> Also, be sure you aren't adding the AD Group to a User Collection via a
> Direct Rule.  You will need to do a query for users that are members of
> that AD group to get it to pull in the correct users.
>
> *---*
> *Adam Juelich*
> Pulaski Community School District <http://www.pulaskischools.org/>
> Client Management Specialist
> 920-822-6075
>
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 9:27 AM, Stuart Watret <stu...@offshore-it.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> yep trying that now.
>
> > On 8 Jul 2016, at 14:49, Jason Sandys <ja...@sandys.us> wrote:
> >
> > Also, user targeted apps always show up in App Catalog -- if you are
> using the new software center, they wi

Re: [mssms] Apps to user groups

2016-07-12 Thread Stuart Watret 
Did a new app last night, new deployment to user collection with one account as 
a direct member.

Sure enough nothing.

Came in his morning it was there.

Just removed the deployment, refreshed policy and it disappeared.

Immediately re-created a new deployment to the same user collection, refreshed 
policy and it appeared instantly.

That to me suggests the delay is in the app creation/dp check somewhere.

I’m going to do another deployment to a new user collection for the same app 
and see what happens.


On 12 Jul 2016, at 13:04, Marcum, John 
<jmar...@bradley.com<mailto:jmar...@bradley.com>> wrote:

Send me the client logs offline.

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Watret
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 9:22 AM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: Re: [mssms] RE: Apps to user groups


Hi John,
I’ve simplified it today, targeting a user collection with direct members.

Forced App Discovery on the client, no mention of the app in the log.

App is deployed to one dp and has been for days.

On 11 Jul 2016, at 15:07, Marcum, John 
<jmar...@bradley.com<mailto:jmar...@bradley.com>> wrote:

Are you adding the user accounts to the AD group or directly to the collection? 
I do AD group and use the query below for my collections. Everything installs 
the next time policy refreshes which for me is 30 min. I have incremental 
updates enabled for all the collections too.




select 
SMS_R_USER.ResourceID,SMS_R_USER.ResourceType,SMS_R_USER.Name,SMS_R_USER.UniqueUserName,SMS_R_USER.WindowsNTDomain
 from SMS_R_User where SMS_R_User.UserGroupName = "bradleyarant\\7-Zip"

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Watret
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 8:58 AM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: Re: [mssms] RE: Apps to user groups

Ok, new day.
Arrived to find everything had arrived over the weekend.

No server or client restarts, no evidence of a digital enema anywhere.

Removed all the deployments, and watched them all go from the new client centre.

Had a nice lunch to celebrate.

Just deployed a new app again and 15mins later, nothing.

I’ll leave it overnight - but why the delay deploying to users/groups when 
deploying to system is almost instant?

Stuart

On 8 Jul 2016, at 21:42, Stuart Watret 
<stu...@offshore-it.co.uk<mailto:stu...@offshore-it.co.uk>> wrote:

Thanks Adam,
Our users are fairly static and less than 15% of our apps these days are 
locally installed via CM, the rest are Appv so it’s not a worry here.

Yes checked and double checked; tried it all sorts of combinations.
Deleted everything, reset, different app, new user collections.

Very odd, seems fundamental to me.

Parked it till Monday and I can look with a fresh head !

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Juelich, Adam
Sent: 08 July 2016 19:09
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: Re: [mssms] RE: Apps to user groups

If you deploy to Users without UDA specified and set as a requirement, aren't 
you opening yourself up to that Application potentially installing on any 
machine they are logged into that does a policy pull?

Also, be sure you aren't adding the AD Group to a User Collection via a Direct 
Rule.  You will need to do a query for users that are members of that AD group 
to get it to pull in the correct users.

---
Adam Juelich
Pulaski Community School District<http://www.pulaskischools.org/>
Client Management Specialist
920-822-6075

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 9:27 AM, Stuart Watret 
<stu...@offshore-it.co.uk<mailto:stu...@offshore-it.co.uk>> wrote:
yep trying that now.

> On 8 Jul 2016, at 14:49, Jason Sandys 
> <ja...@sandys.us<mailto:ja...@sandys.us>> wrote:
>
> Also, user targeted apps always show up in App Catalog -- if you are using 
> the new software center, they will also show up there as well.
>
> What happens if you target a user directly and not a user group?
>
> J
>
> -Original Message-
> From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
> [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>]
>  On Behalf Of Marcum, John
> Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 7:44 AM
> To: <mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>> 
> <mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>>
> Subject: [mssms] RE: Apps to user groups
>
> What are your requirement rules? Have you configured UDA?
>
>
>
>
> -Original Me

Re: [mssms] Apps to user groups

2016-07-08 Thread Stuart Watret 
* New Software Centre with merged apps for user and system
* Nicer look with Icons
* Better/Easier detection rules
* I could go on…….


Tried just with a user, no joy.


> On 8 Jul 2016, at 16:04, Marcum, John <jmar...@bradley.com> wrote:
> 
> Why would you do user based apps with no requirement rules? May as well be 
> doing packages then.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] 
> On Behalf Of Stuart Watret
> Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:50 AM
> To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
> Subject: Re: [mssms] Apps to user groups
> 
> no requirement rules, UDA, don’t have it configured.
> 
>> On 8 Jul 2016, at 13:44, Marcum, John <jmar...@bradley.com> wrote:
>> 
>> What are your requirement rules? Have you configured UDA?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] 
>> On Behalf Of Stuart Watret
>> Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 6:45 AM
>> To: <mssms@lists.myitforum.com> <mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
>> Subject: [mssms] Apps to user groups
>> 
>> I appreciate this is 101 for most of you, and I assumed the same !
>> 
>> On 1602, and just moving from Packages to Applications (no laughing).
>> 
>> Been through about 10 of our core pieces of software now running as 
>> “Applications" - all of them advertised to computer collections - all good.
>> 
>> Done another two this morning advertised to collections based on AD groups - 
>> nothing new here, been doing it for years with packages, but today - nothing.
>> 
>> None of the apps advertised to user groups as available are showing up in 
>> either App Cat or the new Software Centre.
>> 
>> Have I missed a fundamental here?
>> 
>> Ta
>> 
>> Stuart
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> 
> 
>

RE: [mssms] Apps to user groups

2016-07-08 Thread Schwan, Phil 
Apps are still state-based via detection methods, so even without requirements 
they still offer advantages.

-Phil

-Original Message-
From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Marcum, John
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 11:04 AM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: RE: [mssms] Apps to user groups

Why would you do user based apps with no requirement rules? May as well be 
doing packages then.






-Original Message-
From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Stuart Watret
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:50 AM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: Re: [mssms] Apps to user groups

no requirement rules, UDA, don’t have it configured.

> On 8 Jul 2016, at 13:44, Marcum, John <jmar...@bradley.com> wrote:
> 
> What are your requirement rules? Have you configured UDA?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] 
> On Behalf Of Stuart Watret
> Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 6:45 AM
> To: <mssms@lists.myitforum.com> <mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
> Subject: [mssms] Apps to user groups
> 
> I appreciate this is 101 for most of you, and I assumed the same !
> 
> On 1602, and just moving from Packages to Applications (no laughing).
> 
> Been through about 10 of our core pieces of software now running as 
> “Applications" - all of them advertised to computer collections - all good.
> 
> Done another two this morning advertised to collections based on AD groups - 
> nothing new here, been doing it for years with packages, but today - nothing.
> 
> None of the apps advertised to user groups as available are showing up in 
> either App Cat or the new Software Centre.
> 
> Have I missed a fundamental here?
> 
> Ta
> 
> Stuart
> 
> 
> 
> Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail is from a law firm and may be protected 
> by the attorney-client or work product privileges. If you have received this 
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RE: [mssms] Apps to user groups

2016-07-08 Thread Marcum, John 
Why would you do user based apps with no requirement rules? May as well be 
doing packages then.






-Original Message-
From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Stuart Watret
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:50 AM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: Re: [mssms] Apps to user groups

no requirement rules, UDA, don’t have it configured.

> On 8 Jul 2016, at 13:44, Marcum, John <jmar...@bradley.com> wrote:
> 
> What are your requirement rules? Have you configured UDA?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] 
> On Behalf Of Stuart Watret
> Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 6:45 AM
> To: <mssms@lists.myitforum.com> <mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
> Subject: [mssms] Apps to user groups
> 
> I appreciate this is 101 for most of you, and I assumed the same !
> 
> On 1602, and just moving from Packages to Applications (no laughing).
> 
> Been through about 10 of our core pieces of software now running as 
> “Applications" - all of them advertised to computer collections - all good.
> 
> Done another two this morning advertised to collections based on AD groups - 
> nothing new here, been doing it for years with packages, but today - nothing.
> 
> None of the apps advertised to user groups as available are showing up in 
> either App Cat or the new Software Centre.
> 
> Have I missed a fundamental here?
> 
> Ta
> 
> Stuart
> 
> 
> 
> Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail is from a law firm and may be protected 
> by the attorney-client or work product privileges. If you have received this 
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Re: [mssms] Apps to user groups

2016-07-08 Thread Stuart Watret 
no requirement rules, UDA, don’t have it configured.

> On 8 Jul 2016, at 13:44, Marcum, John  wrote:
> 
> What are your requirement rules? Have you configured UDA?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] 
> On Behalf Of Stuart Watret
> Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 6:45 AM
> To:  
> Subject: [mssms] Apps to user groups
> 
> I appreciate this is 101 for most of you, and I assumed the same !
> 
> On 1602, and just moving from Packages to Applications (no laughing).
> 
> Been through about 10 of our core pieces of software now running as 
> “Applications" - all of them advertised to computer collections - all good.
> 
> Done another two this morning advertised to collections based on AD groups - 
> nothing new here, been doing it for years with packages, but today - nothing.
> 
> None of the apps advertised to user groups as available are showing up in 
> either App Cat or the new Software Centre.
> 
> Have I missed a fundamental here?
> 
> Ta
> 
> Stuart
> 
> 
> 
> Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail is from a law firm and may be protected 
> by the attorney-client or work product privileges. If you have received this 
> message in error, please notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and 
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