Re: Results of corruption test on 1.2 (was: Re: mailbox corruption and mutt)
On 2000-06-12 15:46:03 +1000, CaT wrote: Which version of mutt should I try to see if I can reporduce this? I've noticed there have been official-looking patches about and wanna see if I can get this to happen again. I think we have already been reproducing what you describe, and there are some patches already. So, with some luck, there'll be a sane 1.2.1 during this week. Anyway, thanks for your help. -- http://www.guug.de/~roessler/
Re: Results of corruption test on 1.2 (was: Re: mailbox corruption and mutt)
On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 09:17:48AM +0200, Thomas Roessler wrote: On 2000-06-12 15:46:03 +1000, CaT wrote: Which version of mutt should I try to see if I can reporduce this? I've noticed there have been official-looking patches about and wanna see if I can get this to happen again. I think we have already been reproducing what you describe, and there are some patches already. So, with Yup. Saw the thread. some luck, there'll be a sane 1.2.1 during this week. Grooovy. Anyway, thanks for your help. No worries. Sorry about not providing more details but RL thwacked me during the week. :/ -- CaT ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) URL: http://www.zip.com.au/dev/null 'He had position, but I was determined to score.' -- Worf, DS9, Season 5: 'Let He Who Is Without Sin...'
Re: Discovering Mutt
On Sun, Jun 11, 2000 at 11:09:56PM +0200 or thereabouts, Nils Vogels wrote: On Sun, Jun 11, 2000 at 04:44:28PM -0400, David T-G wrote: We'll all love that :-) If I may be so bold as to make a suggestion, Seconded. take a moment *now* to remember those things that were most confusing, AND write them down so that you won't forget them, so that you can look Definitely seconded (she says, eyeing an /etc/inittab that is now more comments than commands). OK, I'm at that point now ;) Been using mutt for some months now, before that I used pine. I would love to add some docu, but what exactly is most wanted ? From my memories of getting started and watching this list, it's "quick start guides" to specific items. Yes, ninety percent of the questions here are answered in the manual, and the other ten percent are procmail and fetchmail, but finding them is an absolute pest. The manual is wonderful as a comprehensive reference. What we need are more "How do I get GnuPG working with mutt?", "How do I set a different 'From_' line", "What can/can't I do with colours" and (ugh) "Pattern-matching for people who want to spend ten minutes reading at a maximum and then be able to add one or two simple patterns into their muttrc" documents: documents that focus on that one thing and nothing else. I don't know whether those are things that should go into the main mutt tarball. I think they're probably better as links off www.mutt.org. Someone did a nice guide to something a while ago: I think it was Mutt and setting up groups of hooks for particular addresses. That's the kind of thing I mean. Telsa
Re: Mailbox Order
John -- ...and then John Poltorak said... % On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 09:44:54AM -0400, David T-G wrote: % % Select 'O' to specify a reverse order, and then 'u' for unsorted. % % Many thanks for that. Sure thing! % % You're probably in the 'o'rder menu instead of reverse-'O'rder. Check % the manual ;-) % % It's a big manual - must have overlooked it :-) Yeah; that can happen :-) % % BTW the 'O' option doesn't show up under help. You mean the key binding list, bound by default to '?' Well, I found it at sort-mailbox bound to o and sort-reverse bound to O. Where else, if not there, were you looking? :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bigfoot.com/~davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! The "new millennium" starts at the beginning of 2001. There was no year 0. Note: If bigfoot.com gives you fits, try sector13.org in its place. *sigh* PGP signature
Re: HELP: How do I change my from address format?
David T-G proclaimed on mutt-users that: I think that the short answer is "no". You throw your name address at mutt pretty much however you like, and mutt (clever guy that he is) rewrites it correctly(*1). Unless you were to hack the sources, I think you're, um, stuck with the address as it comes out. *1 : I believe "correctly" is defined in an RFC as "the preferred way to write a From: header" or close... Which I suspected ... the [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Me) is depreciated, and seems to be more common on usenet than on e-mail. Sigh, guess this confirms it. -suresh -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + [EMAIL PROTECTED] Things will be bright in P.M. A cop will shine a light in your face.
Re: Discovering Mutt
Telsa, et al -- ...and then Telsa Gwynne said... % On Sun, Jun 11, 2000 at 11:09:56PM +0200 or thereabouts, Nils Vogels wrote: % On Sun, Jun 11, 2000 at 04:44:28PM -0400, David T-G wrote: % % AND write them down so that you won't forget them, so that you can look % % Definitely seconded (she says, eyeing an /etc/inittab that is now more % comments than commands). *grin* % % I would love to add some docu, but what exactly is most wanted ? % % From my memories of getting started and watching this list, it's % "quick start guides" to specific items. Yes, ninety percent of the Yeah. Perhaps a QSG as a companion to the FAQ, with the contents being submitted by the users. The entries should (IMHO) be very simple, very quick, and perhaps even example-like, and should also have pointers to the right places in the [great] manual. I also think that a pointer to the FAQ and QSG should be in a top-level README in the tarball, but that they should stay on the mutt.org site (or somewhere to which that points). :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bigfoot.com/~davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! The "new millennium" starts at the beginning of 2001. There was no year 0. Note: If bigfoot.com gives you fits, try sector13.org in its place. *sigh* PGP signature
Re: Discovering Mutt
At 12 June, 2000 Telsa Gwynne wrote: On Sun, Jun 11, 2000 at 11:09:56PM +0200 or thereabouts, Nils Vogels wrote: On Sun, Jun 11, 2000 at 04:44:28PM -0400, David T-G wrote: As a new and excited happy user of mutt, and only 6 months into Linux, I would suggest something similar to the newbie files on Linuxnewbie.org, directions and manuals that are written so simply that a newbie can easily follow them. I admit to having to be led by the hand occasionally, and also to polluting the airwaves with stupid questions. I was never able to get mutt working satisfactorily in redhat 6.1, now 6.2 seems to be working fine with the addition of a decent .muttrc file. Of course, I wasn't subscribed to the mailing list in my 6.1 days. I'm constantly amazed at the variety of nationality's I see represented on this list! Talk about globalization.. wow! The new Noble Experiment--mutt. :) We'll all love that :-) If I may be so bold as to make a suggestion, Seconded. take a moment *now* to remember those things that were most confusing, AND write them down so that you won't forget them, so that you can look Definitely seconded (she says, eyeing an /etc/inittab that is now more comments than commands). OK, I'm at that point now ;) Been using mutt for some months now, before that I used pine. I would love to add some docu, but what exactly is most wanted ? From my memories of getting started and watching this list, it's "quick start guides" to specific items. Yes, ninety percent of the questions here are answered in the manual, and the other ten percent are procmail and fetchmail, but finding them is an absolute pest. The manual is wonderful as a comprehensive reference. What we need are more "How do I get GnuPG working with mutt?", "How do I set a different 'From_' line", "What can/can't I do with colours" and (ugh) "Pattern-matching for people who want to spend ten minutes reading at a maximum and then be able to add one or two simple patterns into their muttrc" documents: documents that focus on that one thing and nothing else. I don't know whether those are things that should go into the main mutt tarball. I think they're probably better as links off www.mutt.org. Someone did a nice guide to something a while ago: I think it was Mutt and setting up groups of hooks for particular addresses. That's the kind of thing I mean. Telsa -- "As I have always held it a crime to anticipate evils I will believe it a good comfortable road untill I am conpelled to beleive differently." [sic] William Clark of the Lewis Clark Expedition circa 1805
Re: PDF viewing question
On Sun, Jun 11, 2000 at 04:17:42PM +0930, Brian Salter-Duke wrote: One problem: There is another program of the same name at ftp://ftp.u-aizu.ac.jp/pub/lang/pdf/pdf2txt/ I came up with this after a google.com search but this URL does not seem to be up. Has anyone had any luck with it? Cheers, Brian. It is written in perl. I got as far as finding that it needs a newer version of perl than mine. I have 5.004_05. It required 5.005... -- (T.) Michael Sanders internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Physics Department URL: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~sanders University of Michigan phone: 734/936-0799 Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1120 FAX: 734/764-6843
Re: HELP: How do I change my from address format?
On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 12:40:42AM +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: A rather trivial question - but I want to change my from address format - from the existing From: Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] to From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Suresh Ramasubramanian) The INSTALL file says that "--enable-exact-address" prevents Mutt from altering the "From:*" line. It also says the option is broken and not to use it. Too bad, I use(d) a program that depends on comment form addressing. -rex
Re: HELP: How do I change my from address format?
Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which I suspected ... the [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Me) is depreciated, and seems to be more common on usenet than on e-mail. If you configure Mutt with --enable-exact-address, it will not rewrite the address in the preferred format. -- David DeSimone | "The doctrine of human equality reposes on this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | that there is no man really clever who has not Hewlett-Packard | found that he is stupid." -- Gilbert K. Chesterson Richardson IT|PGP: 5B 47 34 9F 3B 9A B0 0D AB A6 15 F1 BB BE 8C 44
Re: HELP: How do I change my from address format?
David DeSimone proclaimed on mutt-users that: Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which I suspected ... the [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Me) is depreciated, and seems to be more common on usenet than on e-mail. If you configure Mutt with --enable-exact-address, it will not rewrite the address in the preferred format. That's broken, afaik. -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + [EMAIL PROTECTED] Slang is language that takes off its coat, spits on its hands, and goes to work.
Re: HELP: How do I change my from address format?
Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote that: David DeSimone proclaimed on mutt-users that: Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which I suspected ... the [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Me) is depreciated, and seems to be more common on usenet than on e-mail. If you configure Mutt with --enable-exact-address, it will not rewrite the address in the preferred format. That's broken, afaik. Since when are rfc 822 comments deprecated? These can be placed just about anywhere (and in other fields besides From:, e.g., To:). So, you could have: Some Person [EMAIL PROTECTED] (here is a comment) Some (here is a comment) Person [EMAIL PROTECTED] (here is a comment) Some Person [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comments are not supposed to be used by MTAs, e.g., in SMTP exchanges, but should be kept by MUAs, so I've always used the exact addressing (where is THAT broken, by-the-way?) and considered the non-exact addressing broken! Comments? (yak!) -- -e
Re: Discovering Mutt
Dale Morris muttered: As a new and excited happy user of mutt, and only 6 months into Linux Well, then welcome to the mailclient that just sucks less and to the wonderfull - but sometimes confusing - world of unix. I would suggest something similar to the newbie files on Linuxnewbie.org, directions and manuals that are written so simply that a newbie can easily follow them. I admit to having to be led by the hand occasionally Good, so it'y your turn to write them :) Sometimes only a newbe is able to tell want's relly missing in a manual. HTH, Michael -- Pascal is not a high-level language. -- Steven Feiner PGP-fingerprint: DECA E9D2 EBDD 0FE0 0A65 40FA 5967 ACA1 0B57 7C13
Re: HELP: How do I change my from address format?
On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 04:26:44PM -0400, Erik Jacobsen wrote: Since when are rfc 822 comments deprecated? There's an update for RFC822 which says: Also, because some legacy implementations interpret the comment, comments SHOULD NOT generally be used in address fields to avoid confusing such implementations. I use a legacy app (premail) that interprets the comment and thus need to be able to generate comments in addresses. Comments are not supposed to be used by MTAs, e.g., in SMTP exchanges, but should be kept by MUAs, so I've always used the exact addressing (where is THAT broken, by-the-way?) and considered the non-exact addressing broken! I don't know what the problem with Mutt's implementation is, only that the INSTALL file says it's broken. Anyone know what Bad Things happen when --enable-exact-address is used? I guess I could try it. :) -rex
.mailcap file
I've never been able to get slrn to open or autoview an image file after it's downloaded. I'm pretty new to all this, but I'm sure that's it's a function of .mailcap file. Can someone post the proper command to enter in my .mailcap file? Here's what I've got in there now: cut-- text/html; lynx -force_html %s; needsterminal ; nametemplate=%s.html text/html; lynx -underscore -force_html -dump %s; copiousoutput text/html; netscape -remote openURL\(%s\) image/gif; ee %s image/jpg; ee %s application/pgp-keys; pgp -f %s ; copiousoutput #mailcap entry added by Netscape Helper audio/x-mpegurl;xmms %s #mailcap entry added by Netscape Helper audio-x/mpegurl;;\ x-mozilla-flags=deleted #mailcap entry added by Netscape Helper audio/mpeg;/usr/X11R6/bin/realplay -cut- thanks --dale
Added feature to new feature
While composing a resend to a potential employer, I thought, now wouldn't it be nice if there was an option to almost bounce it. Example, I am asked for the new address beneath, as in a bounce, but it is resent to a different address. This may not be a great thing, but not all options are great, only desired. I thought a more useful one would be to actually ask for the new address, and then stout the email in your editor with the new address, along with the email you previously composed, awaiting the resending. Just some thoughts... -- /helfman "At any given moment, you may find the ticket to the circus that has always been in your possession." Fingerprint: 2F76 2856 776A 3E07 9F3E 452A 17D9 9B28 D75E 0A36 GnuPG http://www.gnupg.org Get Private! 1024D/D75E0A36
Re: Added feature to new feature
On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 07:20:06PM -0700, Jason Helfman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: While composing a resend to a potential employer, I thought, now wouldn't it be nice if there was an option to almost bounce it. Example, I am asked for the new address beneath, as in a bounce, but it is resent to a different address. This may not be a great thing, but not all options are great, only desired. I thought a more useful one would be to actually ask for the new address, and then stout the email in your editor with the new address, along with the email you previously composed, awaiting the resending. I'm not completely sure, but I believe the "resent message" function, bound by default to "esc e", has the functionality what you're looking for. -- Jim Toth [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Since the advent of the ILOVEYOU worm, I will never again trust e-mail sent in a Manila envelope." -- John Coughlin
gpg/pgp 6.5.3
Figured I'd better seek help before I start fixing things.. I am using gpg for encryption in mutt. It seems to work fine. Tonight I installed pgp 6.5.3 on the wife's machine and sent myself an email, encrypted, of course. Mutt didn't decrypt it. I sent her an encrypted/signed mail and her box couldn't decrypt it using outlook express. Now I'm wondering if the 2 platforms are compatible or do I have to use commandline pgp 6.5.3 in order to make it work properly? I have a friend in Canada I would like to communicate with using pgp, but she's a windows user and not real savy. Any suggestions on the best way to set things up? Should we both use pgp 6.5.3 or go to a different version, or will gpg be compatible with everything and I've just made a bonehead error somewhere? When I used to use Pine I had a program called pgp4pine that gave me the option of gpg or pgp 6.5.x, does mutt do the same? thanks -- dale PGP signature
Error 127
I just got a strange message while trying to send mail with a new install of mutt 1.0. It's on a new computer, so I *may* have fudged some config stuff. Qmail works fine outgoing and the sendmail replacement is in /usr/bin. Seems like everything is the same as on my desktop at home, but it's 3000 miles away at the moment, so I can't check. Error given in buffer: Error sending message, child exited 127 (Exec error.). Any ideas? -- Jonathan Pennington | A computer without Windows [EMAIL PROTECTED] | is like a dog without http://www.coastalgeology.org | bricks tied to its head.
