Re: New vs. Deleted flags
At 03:01 -0500 07 Jan 2002, Ken Weingold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jan 7, 2002, Aaron Schrab wrote: It would probably be a better idea to have the macro turn off $resolve at the beginning then turn it back on before doing the actual deletion. True. How do I do this, then? I have tried to few things, but nothing seems to work correctly. Untested but based on some macros I use: macro index d enter-commandunset resolve\nclear-flagNenter-commandset resolve\ndelete-message -- Aaron Schrab [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.execpc.com/~aarons/ It is easier to write an incorrect program than understand a correct one. msg22429/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: New vs. Deleted flags
Alas! Aaron Schrab spake thus: macro index d clear-flagNprevious-undeleteddelete-message delete the current entry Wouldn't these set read messages to new if you try to delete a message that isn't new? ;) No, clear-flag does exactly that, it clears flags. It should be pretty easy to check this out, since by default clear-flag is bound to W in the index. Now, toggle-new... Ah, sorry, I was looking at the 'N' bit. It's bound to toggle-new by default. I didn't realize that clear-flag asks you which flag to clear, I thought it would just clear them all, and then the N key would toggle the new flag back on... -- Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To know recursion, you must first know recursion. msg22430/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: tagging in browser
Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:35:16 -0500 From: Ken Wahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mutt-users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: tagging in browser On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 07:26:28PM +0100, Roman Neuhauser wrote: t tag-entry tag the current entry but it doesn't work: (hit 't') -- Mutt: Mailboxes [11] Tagging is not supported. It seems like your trying to tag a mailbox and not a message, which mutt won't let you do. (Usually mutt only shows Mutt: Mailboxes [nn] when browsing the mailbox files, not in the message index of the mailbox itself.) I was able to reproduce your error message by doing the same. Try going into a mailbox and using t on message(s). Well, yes, that's what I'm talking about. Go to the browser, and look for 'tag' in the help. It _does_ list t tag-entry function in there. If it's not supported, why is it listed? -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 9:34AM up 11 days, 20:12, 11 users, load averages: 0.08, 0.06, 0.01
to_chars question
Howdy all, Is there a flag for to_chars to display whether or not the message contains an attachment? I looked through the manual, but don't see one (appears there's only +TCFL). Am I missing something or is there some other way to do this? - jim -- jim mock [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://soupnazi.org/ | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: to_chars question
Jim Mock wrote: Is there a flag for to_chars to display whether or not the message contains an attachment? I looked through the manual, but don't see one (appears there's only +TCFL). Am I missing something or is there some other way to do this? i use a patch from: http://home.uchicago.edu/~dgc/mutt/#attach that might do what you want. it adds a new variable for index_format to show either message size, or (if there are attachments), the number of attachments. it looks something like this, the way i have it setup: 69 L Dec 25 Philip Mak (1*) Perfect mbox to Maildir converter where '1' is the number of attachments. HTH w
set mail_check lies
set mail_check configures how often (in seconds) mutt should look for new mail. I have it set to 5, but new e-mail that I receive does *not* show up within 5 seconds. It seems that it only shows up if I press a key in mutt. Does anyone have any ideas?
Re: set mail_check lies
* Philip Mak [EMAIL PROTECTED] [07-01-2002 11:16]: | set mail_check configures how often (in seconds) mutt should look | for new mail. I have it set to 5, but new e-mail that I receive does | *not* show up within 5 seconds. | | It seems that it only shows up if I press a key in mutt. Do you have set the $mailboxes directive to look at the correct mailbox(es)? -- René Clerc - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) I'm going to give my psychoanalyst one more year, then I'm going to Lourdes. -Woody Allen msg22435/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: set mail_check lies
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 11:18:06AM +0100, René Clerc wrote: | set mail_check configures how often (in seconds) mutt should look | for new mail. I have it set to 5, but new e-mail that I receive does | *not* show up within 5 seconds. | | It seems that it only shows up if I press a key in mutt. Do you have set the $mailboxes directive to look at the correct mailbox(es)? I didn't have $mailboxes set, but I assumed that my inbox (~/Maildir/) would be automatically included... I just tried typing :mailboxes ~/Maildir/ and then sent a message to myself and waited 10 seconds. Again, the message did not show up until I pressed a key in mutt. (Yes, I've made sure that my mail server is not delaying the message.)
Re: failed build
On Sun, 6 Jan 2002, Will Yardley wrote: It won't work (the older wchar_t is a short, not a long). I experimented recently with that sort of combination with lynx and concluded that you can't make libiconv work properly there (you can build it, but it won't run). But unlike mutt, lynx at least doesn't rely on things like libiconv if they won't work... i'm giving another go at getting the beta mutt to compile on an outdated linux machine (for which i don't have root access). i'm not sure what distribution it is, although i'd guess redhat; kernel is really old (2.0.36). i have my own ncurses and libiconv installed in my home directory. i'm configuring with: LDFLAGS=-Wl,-R/home/will/lib ./configure --prefix=/home/will --with-libiconv-prefix=/home/will --with-curses=/home/will/ i then get this error: gcc -DPKGDATADIR=\/home/will/share/mutt\ -DSYSCONFDIR=\/home/will/etc\ -DBINDIR=\/home/will/bin\ -DMUTTLOCALEDIR=\/home/will/share/locale\ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H=1 -I. -I. -Iintl -I/home/will//include -I/home/will/include -I./intl -I/home/will/include -Wall -pedantic -g -O2 -c patchlist.c In file included from protos.h:20, from mutt.h:811, from patchlist.c:5: mbyte.h:23: conflicting types for `wcwidth' /usr/include/wchar.h:209: previous declaration of `wcwidth' make[2]: *** [patchlist.o] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/will/mutt-1.3.25' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/will/mutt-1.3.25' make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 sepia% uname -srm Linux 2.0.36 i686 ideas? w -- T.E.Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
Re: set mail_check lies
* René Clerc [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020107 11:29]: * Philip Mak [EMAIL PROTECTED] [07-01-2002 11:16]: | set mail_check configures how often (in seconds) mutt should look | for new mail. I have it set to 5, but new e-mail that I receive does | *not* show up within 5 seconds. | | It seems that it only shows up if I press a key in mutt. Do you have set the $mailboxes directive to look at the correct mailbox(es)? -- René Clerc - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) I have the same problem, I only get my mail if I hit 'G' What should $mailboxes be set to? I had a look at the manual but couldn't really understand it. An example would be great! -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com msg22439/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: set mail_check lies
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:31:46 +0100 From: Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: set mail_check lies * René Clerc [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020107 11:29]: * Philip Mak [EMAIL PROTECTED] [07-01-2002 11:16]: | set mail_check configures how often (in seconds) mutt should look | for new mail. I have it set to 5, but new e-mail that I receive does | *not* show up within 5 seconds. | | It seems that it only shows up if I press a key in mutt. Do you have set the $mailboxes directive to look at the correct mailbox(es)? -- René Clerc - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) I have the same problem, I only get my mail if I hit 'G' What should $mailboxes be set to? I had a look at the manual but couldn't really understand it. An example would be great! You use mutt's POP3 functions? AFAIK check_new etc. don't apply here. They're for checking your _local_ mailboxes for new mail. BTW, you would really benefit from using a POP3 mail retriever and an MDA. -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 1:07PM up 11 days, 23:45, 14 users, load averages: 0.07, 0.05, 0.00
Re: pgp hook patches
Dale, et al -- ...and then Dale Woolridge said... % % On 6-Jan-2002 06:12 David T-G wrote: % | % | So does your patch include Bardur's functionality and then go farther, or % | do the two complement each other? % % My patch should work as a replacement as it includes all the % functionality of Bardur's patch, albeit with slightly different % syntax. The implementation is altogether different too. So I figured when I found that the two wouldn't apply together :-) Thanks! % -- % -Dale I'm now using the 1.3.25 cocktail as follows: Mutt 1.3.25i (2002-01-01) Copyright (C) 1996-2001 Michael R. Elkins and others. Mutt comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type `mutt -vv'. Mutt is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; type `mutt -vv' for details. System: Linux 2.4.5 (i686) [using ncurses 5.0] Compile options: -DOMAIN +DEBUG +HOMESPOOL -USE_SETGID +USE_DOTLOCK +DL_STANDALONE +USE_FCNTL -USE_FLOCK +USE_POP +USE_IMAP -USE_GSS -USE_SSL -USE_SASL +HAVE_REGCOMP -USE_GNU_REGEX +HAVE_COLOR +HAVE_START_COLOR +HAVE_TYPEAHEAD +HAVE_BKGDSET +HAVE_CURS_SET +HAVE_META +HAVE_RESIZETERM +HAVE_PGP -BUFFY_SIZE -EXACT_ADDRESS -SUN_ATTACHMENT +ENABLE_NLS -LOCALES_HACK +COMPRESSED +HAVE_WC_FUNCS +HAVE_LANGINFO_CODESET +HAVE_LANGINFO_YESEXPR +HAVE_ICONV -ICONV_NONTRANS +HAVE_GETSID +HAVE_GETADDRINFO ISPELL=/usr/bin/ispell SENDMAIL=/usr/sbin/sendmail MAILPATH=Mailbox PKGDATADIR=/home/davidtg/local/share/mutt SYSCONFDIR=/home/davidtg/local/etc EXECSHELL=/bin/sh -MIXMASTER To contact the developers, please mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. To report a bug, please use the flea(1) utility. Patches I have applied (I find this non-standard list helpful) Feature patch: patch-1.3.25.rr.compressed.1 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-0.00.sec.patchlist.8.1.dtg (dtg) Feature patch: %_ 0.94.12 by O'Shaughnessy Evans Feature patch: reverse-reply0.95.4 by Stefan `Sec` Zehl (+ hb) Feature patch: patch-1.1.1.hb.save_alias.1 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.23.bj.hash_destroy.1 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.23.bj.my_hdr_subject.1 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.23.bj.noquote_hdr_term.1 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.24.bj.status-time.1-dtg (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.23.bj.current_shortcut.1 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.24.dgc.xlabel_ext.4 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.24.dgc.deepif.1 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.24.dgc.attach.2 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.24.dgc.markmsg.2 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.24.dgc.unbind.1 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.24.dgc.isalias.1 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.2.mha.resend-fcc.1 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.25.cd.edit_threads.9.1 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.24.cd.trash_folder.1 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.2609.mg.hdrcolor.1 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.15.sw.pgp-outlook.1 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.23.2.nr.tag_prefix_cond (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.23.ats.mark_old-1.3.23+cvs-1.diff (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.25i.devl.narrow_tree.1 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.25.dw.pgp-hook (dtg) I still don't like the way the PATCHES file is built, and not everyone has updated patches for 1.3.25 or to update PATCHES, so I still roll my own patchlist.c :-) :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22441/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: set mail_check lies
Philip Mak muttered: set mail_check configures how often (in seconds) mutt should look for new mail. I have it set to 5, but new e-mail that I receive does *not* show up within 5 seconds. It seems that it only shows up if I press a key in mutt. mailboxes must be set You have to find a balance between $mail_check and $timeout. See sections 4.12. and 6.3.215. of the manual. HTH, Michael -- PGP-Key: http://www-stud.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~tatgeml/public.key
Re: set mail_check lies
I have the same problem, I only get my mail if I hit 'G' What should $mailboxes be set to? I had a look at the manual but couldn't really understand it. An example would be great! You use mutt's POP3 functions? AFAIK check_new etc. don't apply here. They're for checking your _local_ mailboxes for new mail. BTW, you would really benefit from using a POP3 mail retriever and an MDA. Yes you're right: POP3. What would you suggest I looked into regarding retrieval and delivery? -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com msg22443/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
returned mail
Hi, When I send emails to a .net domain, they are returned because the domain name can't be resolved. I know this probably isn't a mutt problem, but could someone give a suggestion of where to look? Thanks. = Todd Kokoszka 25, rue Richard Lenoir 75011 Paris Tel. 01.43.72.77.08 __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
Re: returned mail
* Todd Kokoszka [EMAIL PROTECTED] [07-01-2002 13:39]: | When I send emails to a .net domain, they are returned | because the domain name can't be resolved. I know this | probably isn't a mutt problem, but could someone give | a suggestion of where to look? What does the output of the shell command: host -t mx everything after the '@' tell you? -- René Clerc - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) msg22445/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
signed emails, why ?
Why does everyone send signed emails to the list, is it always necessary ? It slows reading down, and digests dont look so nice ... I can understand that certain things should be signed, but it seems more than not are now signed. Steve -- NetTek Ltd Flat 2, 43 Howitt Road, Belsize Park, London NW3 4LU, UK tel +44-(0)20 7483 1169 fax +44-(0)20 7483 2455 mob 07775 755503 SMS steve-pager (at) gbnet.net [body] gpg 1024D/468952DB 2001-09-19
Re: signed emails, why ?
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 12:52:25PM +, Steve Kennedy wrote: Why does everyone send signed emails to the list, is it always necessary ? It slows reading down, and digests dont look so nice ... I can understand that certain things should be signed, but it seems more than not are now signed. This was answered on the list less than a week ago. My answer, one of a few: Signing messages, even if their content is harmless and relatively unimportant is a good practise. If you only sign 'important' messages, then it's easy for people to forge messages from you -- they don't need to sign it. The policy should be that if it isn't signed, it isn't from you. If you sign everything, that policy is realistic. If you sign only some messages, it is not. -- rjbs msg22447/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: set mail_check lies
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:28:09 +0100 From: Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: set mail_check lies I have the same problem, I only get my mail if I hit 'G' What should $mailboxes be set to? I had a look at the manual but couldn't really understand it. An example would be great! You use mutt's POP3 functions? AFAIK check_new etc. don't apply here. They're for checking your _local_ mailboxes for new mail. BTW, you would really benefit from using a POP3 mail retriever and an MDA. Yes you're right: POP3. What would you suggest I looked into regarding retrieval and delivery? getmail / maildrop first hits on google. -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 2:09PM up 12 days, 47 mins, 17 users, load averages: 0.07, 0.03, 0.01
Re: New mail not being flagged as new.
Steven -- ...and then [EMAIL PROTECTED] said... % % Ahoy. % % Typicall I use mutt in an IMAP setting and am just now using it at % home (they finally removed the chain and ball from my cubicle). Welcome home :-) % % I'm using fetchmail to yank the mail and procmail to process it. That % part is going quite well. I see mail accretion in my defined folders. Good. % % I have defined in my .muttrc % % mailboxes dominion mutt-users perl-beginner texasindecision xhtml-l webhitdata % % And thus should be noted by mutt 'these boxes get new mail' Well, yeah, but this has come up before. % ... % Yet even when I have new mail i have no 'new mail' indication. % % I think i have it set up according to that beauty of modern % documentation, the Mutt manual... % % Am I missing something? I suspect that there is some other process that is looking at your mail files and thus updating the access time -- and thereby messing up mutt's idea of whether or not you have new mail. Without getting into the old argument (you can find it quite a few times in the archives, I'm sure), I'll simply note that mutt considers a folder to have new mail if its modification time (when the mail was dumped onto the end of it) is later than its access time (the last time anything, presumably mutt, looked at it). You can compare the two values with ls -l and ls -lu (or by using the --time= argument in the GNU version) and set the two values with touch -m and touch -a as well; updating the modification time (or backdating the access time) of a file should then get it to show new mail in our mutt browser, while then updating the access time or even just using cat to dump the file to /dev/null should make it clear the newness. % % BTW: Is there any way to colorize the 'folder browser' view? That'd % be very handy. Not AFAIK but, then again, I don't use colors. % % Thanks, HTH HAND % % Steven :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22449/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Bold text
Nick -- ...and then Nick Wilson said... % % Hi folks Hello! % Firstly, yes, I know this is a trivial issue! Well, it depends on your definition of trivial... If you mean easy, it may not be; if you mean worthless, then it might be :-) % I use vim as my editor and can't work out how to make portions of my % text bold? I know many of you use vim so I hope someone can help. What do you mean by bold? Do you mean in the resultant mail message? Do you mean in a particular display? Do you mean in vim itself? Do you mean in the interpretation of the reader? I believe the USENET conventions for highlightin under ASCII are _underline_ and *bold* and /italics/ (but I'm not sure); that would suffice for the reader's view. To get the character to print twice on the screen and thus look bolder, you could embed backspaces like t^Hth^Hhi^His^Hs (which comes out looking like tthhiiss). Note that that will mess up your line wrap length because of all of the extra characters embedded therein... If, of course, you're composing *shudder* HTML email, you have the bold tag blt;bgt;/b available. But lots of folks will dump your mail into the trashcan immediately upon receipt :-) Other ideas are certainly possiblimplementations; if these don't answer your question, give us more detail. % % Cheers % -- % % Nick Wilson % % Tel: +45 3325 0688 % Fax: +45 3325 0677 % Web: www.explodingnet.com HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22450/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: signed emails, why ?
Steve -- ...and then Steve Kennedy said... % % Why does everyone send signed emails to the list, is it always % necessary ? It all depends on your point of view. I feel that it is and sign everything except for mail to a few recipients (conveniently noted by send-hooks, of course!). % % It slows reading down, and digests dont look so nice ... I'm sorry for the sake of the digests (well, for that of their readers, anyway), and that's one place where I would support stripping any attachments (I'd hate to have to page through a digest with some of these insane muttrc posts attached, for instance) even at the loss of data or verifiability; the original message still exists in the archives even if it's not presented in the digest and so it's not much of a loss. Now, if the digest were actually a MIME encapsulation of a bunch of messages and they were essentially read through the attachment browser, there would be no need to strip attachments and the digests' appearance wouldn't be affected, either, so I have to figure it's the same old paste-a-from-and-subject-and-then-the-text-into-one-big-email method that digests have been using for years. My answer to that is you should have gotten the original messages :-) even though that seems to not work for some. % % I can understand that certain things should be signed, but it % seems more than not are now signed. But it's useful as well as being just plain good security practice... Remember the virus that hit the list a while back, and the kudos to those who noted that it wasn't signed and so [he] didn't send it? Here we even have a working example in our experience... % % Steve % % -- % NetTek Ltd Flat 2, 43 Howitt Road, Belsize Park, London NW3 4LU, UK % tel +44-(0)20 7483 1169 fax +44-(0)20 7483 2455 mob 07775 755503 % SMS steve-pager (at) gbnet.net [body] gpg 1024D/468952DB 2001-09-19 :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22451/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: set mail_check lies
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 01:13:59PM +0100, Michael Tatge wrote: Philip Mak muttered: set mail_check configures how often (in seconds) mutt should look for new mail. I have it set to 5, but new e-mail that I receive does *not* show up within 5 seconds. It seems that it only shows up if I press a key in mutt. mailboxes must be set You have to find a balance between $mail_check and $timeout. See sections 4.12. and 6.3.215. of the manual. Thanks. $timeout was the problem; since timeout defaults to 600 seconds, mutt will only check mail every 10 minutes no matter how small $mail_check is, if I don't press a key! I would like to suggest that the phrase See also timeout. or something similar be added to the definition of mail_check in section 6.3 of the manual. Otherwise, someone might not realize that a low value of mail_check may be useless if timeout is set too high.
Re: returned mail
I was mistaken. I just tested several email addresses, so I believe the problem is just with the gmx.net domain. This is my output from the host-t mx command: $ host -t mx gmx.net gmx.net mail is handled (pri=10) by mx0.gmx.de gmx.net mail is handled (pri=10) by mx0.gmx.net --- René Clerc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Todd Kokoszka [EMAIL PROTECTED] [07-01-2002 13:39]: | When I send emails to a .net domain, they are returned | because the domain name can't be resolved. I know this | probably isn't a mutt problem, but could someone give | a suggestion of where to look? What does the output of the shell command: host -t mx everything after the '@' tell you? -- René Clerc - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pgp-signature = Todd Kokoszka 25, rue Richard Lenoir 75011 Paris Tel. 01.43.72.77.08 __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
Re: ?'s and hide_missing
Daniel Eisenbud [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I mean to get back to some threading loose ends in the next few days, so I'll add a $hide_missing_parents option, or some such. Terrific! Thanks, Daniel! Sam
Re: Bold text
* David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020107 15:15]: Nick -- ...and then Nick Wilson said... % % Hi folks Hello! % Firstly, yes, I know this is a trivial issue! Well, it depends on your definition of trivial... If you mean easy, it may not be; if you mean worthless, then it might be :-) % I use vim as my editor and can't work out how to make portions of my % text bold? I know many of you use vim so I hope someone can help. What do you mean by bold? Do you mean in the resultant mail message? Do you mean in a particular display? Do you mean in vim itself? Do you mean in the interpretation of the reader? I believe the USENET conventions for highlightin under ASCII are _underline_ and *bold* and /italics/ (but I'm not sure); that would suffice for the reader's view. To get the character to print twice on the screen and thus look bolder, you could embed backspaces like t^Hth^Hhi^His^Hs (which comes out looking like tthhiiss). Note that that will mess up your line wrap length because of all of the extra characters embedded therein... If, of course, you're composing *shudder* HTML email, you have the bold tag blt;bgt;/b available. But lots of folks will dump your mail into the trashcan immediately upon receipt :-) Other ideas are certainly possiblimplementations; if these don't answer your question, give us more detail. Thanks. Yes I mean /like/ HTML, but *not* HTML as I dump anything of nature also. I guess my understanding of real ASCII text is mistaken. I thought that because I saw bold text in mails sent to me (back when I was exclusively using Eudora under Win) that I could do the same. I guess they were some kind of HTML thing. I'll stick with using *bold* like this. It works for me :) Thanks again. -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com msg22455/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: signed emails, why ?
* Ricardo SIGNES [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020107 15:15]: On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 12:52:25PM +, Steve Kennedy wrote: Why does everyone send signed emails to the list, is it always necessary ? It slows reading down, and digests dont look so nice ... I can understand that certain things should be signed, but it seems more than not are now signed. This was answered on the list less than a week ago. My answer, one of a few: Signing messages, even if their content is harmless and relatively unimportant is a good practise. If you only sign 'important' messages, then it's easy for people to forge messages from you -- they don't need to sign it. The policy should be that if it isn't signed, it isn't from you. If you sign everything, that policy is realistic. If you sign only some messages, it is not. I think it was me that asked the question! One problem I've found since routinely signing my mails is that the sig comes up as an unknown attachment in some circumstances. I'm looking for a way to name the signiture so that it is obvious what it is. But that's for another post) -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com msg22456/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How to place a request of receipt for an outgoing mail?
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 11:30:53AM +0800, Charles Jie wrote: After reading Cliff's post and mutt's manual, I am not sure whether Disposition-Notification-To: will do what I want. I've read all the other arguments about whether read-receipts are a good thing. Whether they are or not they are sometimes required. At one time my boss (who runs Pegasus mail) was wanting read receipts from every project member when he was sending out meeting notifications. That way if someone didn't show up for a meeting he would know that they at least got the message. Fortunately, mutt is flexible enough to handle what I wanted to do. I wasn't about to change mailers (and operating systems!) just to send a read receipt for a stupid meeting notice. I solved the problem by having mutt pipe the message across a perl script just before displaying it in the pager. If a header line exists in the message that asks for a receipt then the script prompts me to see whether I actually want to send the receipt. If I answer yes then it will fire off the receipt and store the message id someplace so that it won't prompt me for a receipt if I read the same message again. Once you know the proper header line you can respond to any mailer that asks for a read-receipt. It's up to you whether you actually want to send the receipt or not. The delay during the piping operation is so short that it's not really even noticable. I'll be happy to send you my script if you think it would help you out. -- Chris Linux is the answer. Now, what was your question?
Re: How to place a request of receipt for an outgoing mail?
Chris -- ...and then Chris Gentle said... % % On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 11:30:53AM +0800, Charles Jie wrote: % % After reading Cliff's post and mutt's manual, I am not sure whether % Disposition-Notification-To: will do what I want. % % I've read all the other arguments about whether read-receipts are a % good thing. Whether they are or not they are sometimes required. Agreed! ... % Fortunately, mutt is flexible enough to handle what I wanted to do. Of course :-) ... % I'll be happy to send you my script if you think it would help you % out. I'm interested, at least. I bet it's short; how about a posting? % % -- % Chris Linux is the answer. Now, what was your question? TIA HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22458/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Bold text
Nick -- ...and then Nick Wilson said... % % * David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020107 15:15]: % % ...and then Nick Wilson said... % % % % I use vim as my editor and can't work out how to make portions of my % % text bold? I know many of you use vim so I hope someone can help. ... % To get the character to print twice on the screen and thus look bolder, % you could embed backspaces like t^Hth^Hhi^His^Hs (which comes out looking % like tthhiiss). Note that that will mess up your line wrap length % because of all of the extra characters embedded therein... ... % % Thanks. % Yes I mean /like/ HTML, but *not* HTML as I dump anything of nature Good deal. % also. I guess my understanding of real ASCII text is mistaken. I thought Perhaps so. I would class real ASCII as just ASCII. Of course, everything I typed is ASCII because I don't use EBCDIC in my editor :-) What you might mean is something like a simple ASCII reader. % that because I saw bold text in mails sent to me (back when I was % exclusively using Eudora under Win) that I could do the same. I guess % they were some kind of HTML thing. Not necessarily; see my example still above. % % I'll stick with using *bold* like this. It works for me :) I certainly agree :-) % % Thanks again. No problem! % % -- % % Nick Wilson % % Tel: +45 3325 0688 % Fax: +45 3325 0677 % Web: www.explodingnet.com :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22459/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
mbox trouble
Hi all. I have this line in .muttrc set mbox=/home/nick/Mail/mbox There is no file called mbox in Mail though? Is this something to do with using pop3 rather than *local* mail? Cheers -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com msg22460/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mbox trouble
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:33:56 +0100 From: Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mutt-Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: mbox trouble Hi all. I have this line in .muttrc set mbox=/home/nick/Mail/mbox There is no file called mbox in Mail though? Is this something to do with using pop3 rather than *local* mail? IIRC $mbox is a place where messages you have read in one of your spoolfiles (e. g. /var/mail/$USER) are saved. I. e. you read a message in /var/mail/nick, and mutt will save it in $mbox, possibly creating it). This however depends on value of $move, and I have it set to no, since messages I read are already in their final destinations (=lists/mutt-users for this list, for example). -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 4:46PM up 12 days, 3:24, 13 users, load averages: 1.11, 0.57, 0.28
Re: mbox trouble
* Roman Neuhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020107 16:48]: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:33:56 +0100 From: Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mutt-Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: mbox trouble Hi all. I have this line in .muttrc set mbox=/home/nick/Mail/mbox There is no file called mbox in Mail though? Is this something to do with using pop3 rather than *local* mail? IIRC $mbox is a place where messages you have read in one of your spoolfiles (e. g. /var/mail/$USER) are saved. I. e. you read a message in /var/mail/nick, and mutt will save it in $mbox, possibly creating it). This however depends on value of $move, and I have it set to no, since messages I read are already in their final destinations (=lists/mutt-users for this list, for example). Yes, thanks Roman, move was unset. Guess I'll see what happens now! -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com msg22462/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Save an entire thread to different folder?
I thought I remembered seeing something about this in the list over the last month, but I can't find it in the archives. Can someone tell me how I can save an entire thread from my inbox to a different folder? I thought I would just be able to tag the thread and save the tagged messages, but I can't figure out how to do that. Assuming I've just missed it in the documentation, a pointer to the right section is fine. Thanks for the help. KEN -- Kenneth J. Pronovici [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personal Homepage: http://www.skyjammer.com/~pronovic/ They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 msg22463/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Save an entire thread to different folder?
Kenneth -- ...and then Kenneth Pronovici said... % % I thought I remembered seeing something about this in the list over the % last month, but I can't find it in the archives. Can someone tell me I know it was there; I saw it, too -- or at least I saw something. All I could find on a quick search, though, was Roman's request for tag functions in the pager view (where the help shows them but where they are actually not available). % how I can save an entire thread from my inbox to a different folder? % I thought I would just be able to tag the thread and save the tagged % messages, but I can't figure out how to do that. You should be able to just esc-t to tag the thread and then ;s to save it. % % Assuming I've just missed it in the documentation, a pointer to the % right section is fine. Ah. Well, 2.3.3 (Threaded Mode) and 4.3 (Using Tags) might do it for you, then :-) % % Thanks for the help. HTH HAND % % KEN % % -- % Kenneth J. Pronovici [EMAIL PROTECTED] % Personal Homepage: http://www.skyjammer.com/~pronovic/ % They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little % temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. % - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22464/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Save an entire thread to different folder?
* Kenneth Pronovici [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-01-07 10:02]: I thought I remembered seeing something about this in the list over the last month, but I can't find it in the archives. Can someone tell me how I can save an entire thread from my inbox to a different folder? I thought I would just be able to tag the thread and save the tagged messages, but I can't figure out how to do that. Assuming I've just missed it in the documentation, a pointer to the right section is fine. Thanks for the help. KEN http://mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-6.html tag-thread ESC t tag/untag all messages in the current thread tag-prefix ; apply next command to tagged entries -- Eunjea [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kldp.org/~eunjea/ GnuPG fingerprint: 08C9 2D3F 91B2 D395 2EFF 4C33 544C 321C E194 91CF msg22465/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
evolution
Hey people. I just wanted to share a sentiment. At work I'm playing with Evolution because of all of these nuts around me obsessed with M$ Lookout!. IMHO, Evolution 1.0 is not evolution at all, it's more like a step backwards. I _greatly_ prefer my Mutt + Exim + Procmail + Fetchmail setup to this lousy client that tries to be everything I need and does it horribly. Kudos on Mutt. Long live software that doesn't suck. Mike -- Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED], GnuPG pub key: 5BC8BE08 ...the word HACK is used as a verb to indicate a massive amount of nerd-like effort. -Harley Hahn, A Student's Guide to Unix msg22466/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt, SuSE Gnupg
Hi Dallam,
although I don't have a solution to your problem, I think that
debugging will become easier if you uninstall unnecessary software
like geheimnis and gpa. Mutt does not need them.
Have you made sure that your key is in the secret keyring, too? Try:
gpg --list-secret-keys
To me this does not look like a SuSE-specific issue. Have you tried to
encrypt and sign some files from the command line? If this causes
trouble too, please check your settings in ~/.gnupg/options. You
should have this:
# ---8---
# If you have more than 1 secret key in your keyring, you may want
# to uncomment the following option and set your preferred keyid
default-key A89A2371
# ---8---
You may also want to play with these settings:
# ---8---
# If you do not pass a recipient to gpg, it will ask for one.
# Using this option you can encrypt to a default key. key validation
# will not be done in this case.
# The second form uses the default key as default recipient.
#default-recipient some-user-id
default-recipient-self
# ---8---
See below ...
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 01:44:37AM +, Dallam wrote:
The Problem:
When emailing, after I chose b(oth) sign/encrypt I type y to mail,
enter my passphrase and in konsole I get the following:
gpg: A89A2371--: skipped: public key not found.
[...]
I am at the point of being losted with this now, and am hoping that
someone on this list uses SuSE and might enlighten me as to what the
problem is
I am using SuSE, so I may have the empathy you need :-)
Would it make a difference that I only used one name (Dallam) insted
of both names for the userid?
Should not be a problem.
Also, after I generated the keys was there something else that I was
supposed to do perhaps (other than to create a revocation
certificate) that I might have missed?
I cannot think of anything.
Anyway, I am hoping that someone will be able to help me with this
before I pull to much more hair out :)
This is all that came to my mind. I hope it calms you down :-)
By the way: I could not retrieve your key from my keyserver,
wwwkeys.de.pgp.net. I saw this line in your message:
X-PGP-Key: search.keyserver.net
... and found your key there (via web browser).
Obviously my server needs an update from your server. If you find the
time, you might want do this yourself by uploading your key to a
pgp.net server.
Cheers,
Cristian
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Re: Save an entire thread to different folder?
http://mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-6.html tag-thread ESC t tag/untag all messages in the current thread tag-prefix ; apply next command to tagged entries Thanks, both of you. Had tag-prefix remapped and didn't realize it. That's exactly what I needed. KEN -- Kenneth J. Pronovici [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personal Homepage: http://www.skyjammer.com/~pronovic/ They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 msg22468/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: signed emails, why ?
So sprach »Steve Kennedy« am 2002-01-07 um 12:52:25 + : Why does everyone send signed emails to the list, is it always necessary ? No, it's not. Personal mails and important mails should be signed and/or encrypted. However mailinglist mails should not be encrypted, because those mails are not important, and thus the overhead for signing (both processing time and bandwidth/hd-space wise) is just wasted. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.iso-top.de | Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 22 days 0 hours 36 minutes
Re: Save an entire thread to different folder?
Kenneth Pronovici muttered: Can someone tell me how I can save an entire thread from my inbox to a different folder? I thought I would just be able to tag the thread and save the tagged messages, but I can't figure out how to do that. tag-thread esc-t tag-prefix ; save-message s i.e.: macro index ,T tag-threadtag-prefixsave-message save a thread HTH, Michael -- PGP-Key: http://www-stud.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~tatgeml/public.key
Re: evolution
* Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020107 17:44]: Hey people. I just wanted to share a sentiment. At work I'm playing with Evolution because of all of these nuts around me obsessed with M$ Lookout!. IMHO, Evolution 1.0 is not evolution at all, it's more like a step backwards. I _greatly_ prefer my Mutt + Exim + Procmail + Fetchmail setup to this lousy client that tries to be everything I need and does it horribly. Kudos on Mutt. Long live software that doesn't suck. Mike Sheesh I just came from kmail! Like most things Unix-ish there's a fair old learning curve, but sooo worth it! -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com msg22471/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: signed emails, why ?
Dear Alexander,
you have not signed your message, so all the remarks I am going to
make may not apply to the real Alexander Skwar. Maybe some villain
wanted to make Alexander look daft by forging that email.
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 05:36:43PM +0100, Alexander Skwar (?) wrote:
No, it's not. Personal mails and important mails should be signed
and/or encrypted. However mailinglist mails should not be encrypted,
Please learn the difference between encrypting and signing!
Sending encrypted messages to mailing lists comes with big logistic
problems. It may also be unnecessary. But you meant signing, right?
because those mails are not important,
Are you talking about your email or about all messages sent to mailing
lists?
and thus the overhead for signing (both processing time and
bandwidth/hd-space wise) is just wasted.
GnuPG uses a cache to reduce this overhead. I can live with it on an
ISDN dialup line. Signatures are really small, and encrypted messages
are compressed automatically. If you receive many encrypted messages,
your hard disk will say `thank you'!
Look into the archives and into the Web to find out why PGP is a good
thing.
Cristian
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Re: signed emails, why ?
Alexander Skwar writes: So sprach »Steve Kennedy« am 2002-01-07 um 12:52:25 + : Why does everyone send signed emails to the list, is it always necessary ? No, it's not. Personal mails and important mails should be signed and/or encrypted. However mailinglist mails should not be encrypted, because those mails are not important, and thus the overhead for signing (both processing time and bandwidth/hd-space wise) is just wasted. Exactly. I have been on this list since 1997, and I'm unsubscribing because - too many mails on the list are signed, which slows down processing immensly - there's just too much noise
Re: Mutt, SuSE Gnupg
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 05:32:58PM +0100, Cristian wrote: Hi Dallam, although I don't have a solution to your problem, I think that debugging will become easier if you uninstall unnecessary software like geheimnis and gpa. Mutt does not need them. You are correct I am sure, as I become more familiar with Mutt and gnupg I suspect that I won't need these programs. I only use them when I am to lazy to man mutt/ man gpg :) Have you made sure that your key is in the secret keyring, too? Try: gpg --list-secret-keys yes, I have done that...and they are there. To me this does not look like a SuSE-specific issue. Have you tried to encrypt and sign some files from the command line? If this causes trouble too, please check your settings in ~/.gnupg/options. You should have this: [snip] I haven't done anything with ~/.gnugp/options except to add the keyserver I am using there, and to add no-secmem-warning. What you say makes sense though and I will give it a try. What I have found is this: I made a copy of gpg.rc from /usr/share/doc/packages/mutt and put it in /etc/Muttrc. I then removed all the --comments '' from the settings. I sent myself a signed/encrypted mail and it seems to work now. I have also sent to a few others and they reply that it is encrypted as well, so it seems that I making some progress with it. I can encrypt files and sign them from the command line ok, so this problem seems to have been not knowing how to correctly configure Muttrc for gnupg. Good learning experience :) By the way: I could not retrieve your key from my keyserver, wwwkeys.de.pgp.net. I saw this line in your message: X-PGP-Key: search.keyserver.net ... and found your key there (via web browser). Obviously my server needs an update from your server. If you find the time, you might want do this yourself by uploading your key to a pgp.net server. Will be glad to do that, thanks for telling me. I will try to do it today, but wife is due home in a few minutes and my computing time drops drastically once that happens. Thanks, Dallam -- Registered Linux User #213656 2217 4EB8 461D 743B 47CF 0D68 C32A 5CDE A89A 2371 msg22474/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: how make From: header dependent on recipient?
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 01:52:19AM +0300, Im Eunjea wrote: * Tom Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-01-06 00:53]: (2)when replying to a message, look at the delivered-to, to, cc, etc headers. If one of them is in the list from (1), set the From: header to that. Otherwise set the From: value to a default value. I think you can use message-hook with ~h pattern. something like this: message-hook '~h ^To:.*blah@blah\.org' \ 'my_hdr From: someone nobody@localhost' I did a much expanded version of that, and it's fairly good, but sometimes I reply to messages directly from the list view. That will slip through. message-hook ~p 'my_hdr From: someone nobody@localhost' No, because this need arises in the first place from the fact that reverse_name doesn't look at enough headers to see if they contain something from $alternates. ~p will surely suffer from the same problem. What I really need is either some sort of reply-hook or access to the parent message in send-hook. It looks like I will need to patch mutt one way or another to get what I want, which is surprising, because this seems like it should be a common user requirement. cheers, Tom.
Re: how make From: header dependent on recipient?
On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 01:20:08PM -0800, Gary Johnson wrote: On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 05:04:25PM +, Tom Jones wrote: [setting From: in replies depending on which of my addresses was a rcpt of the original mail] Sure. Set 'alternates' to a regular expression that describes all the addresses that are yours. This can be a simple list with the elements separated by '|'. Then set 'reverse_name'. See the manual for specifics. This is nearly working now. It works fine for personal mail where stuff is actually addressed to me. But I would like it to try and work whenever I am a recipient of the mail. So, for example, it will not work with this mail because the only relevant header in your post to the list is Delivered-To: GMX delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] So I will now have to go and edit the from header manually (if I remember). Can mutt do what I want? I don't know. A send-hook might handle the Delivered-To: case. Take a look at the section on Patterns in the manual and do some experimenting. You might be able to get a ~h pattern to work, or if you know which addresses you've used to subscribe to which mailing lists, you could match the list's address instead to select the appropriate 'my_hdr From: ...' The trouble is that send-hook can only look at the message that's about to be sent, not its parent. After a web trawl, it looks like the patch described in the second half of this mail http://www.ultraviolet.org/mail-archives/mutt-users.2001/2406.html may be what I'm after. I'll give it a go soon. TJ
Re: signed emails, why ?
So sprach »Cristian« am 2002-01-07 um 18:03:24 +0100 : you have not signed your message, so all the remarks I am going to make may not apply to the real Alexander Skwar. Maybe some villain wanted to make Alexander look daft by forging that email. Even if so, it wouldn't matter much. Just because someone signed your mail with a key saying that it was from you doesn't mean that the mail is actually from you. On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 05:36:43PM +0100, Alexander Skwar (?) wrote: No, it's not. Personal mails and important mails should be signed and/or encrypted. However mailinglist mails should not be encrypted, Please learn the difference between encrypting and signing! Sending encrypted messages to mailing lists comes with big logistic problems. It may also be unnecessary. But you meant signing, right? No, I meant signed and/or encrypted, because I was talking about both personal mails and mailing list mails. because those mails are not important, Are you talking about your email or about all messages sent to mailing lists? About 99,99% of mails sent to mailinglists. This of course also includes my mails, but also mails like your reply. GnuPG uses a cache to reduce this overhead. I can live with it on an ISDN dialup line. Signatures are really small, and encrypted messages are compressed automatically. If you receive many encrypted messages, your hard disk will say `thank you'! For encrypted messages, that's right, yes. However for signed messages, that's not correct. Even if the signature is small, 2000xsmall == big. Look into the archives and into the Web to find out why PGP is a good thing. Of course it's a good thing. No doubt about that. But not for mailinglist mails. And also not for usenet news. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.iso-top.de | Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 22 days 1 hour 31 minutes
Automatic mailboxes with maildir
Hello mutters, after using mutt more than three months now, I am very pleased with it. It does nearly everything I want it to (and every day a bit more). One thing I haven't found out until today, was an automated way of finding maildir-style mailboxes. All solutions I found so far used mbox-style mailboxes. I tried it myself many times over the last months an today I finally found a solution and I want to share it: find $HOME/mail -path *cur -printf %P | sed 's/\/cur/ =/g;s/^/=/' That's it. Small and clean. Small explanation for those who do not speak sed as their native tongue (including myself, but using vim for some months as an editor sed slowly loses some of its mysteries .-) - start searching under $HOME/mail - look for cur in path - if found print path without $HOME/mail in front (%P) - sed looks for /cur and replaces it with = - now all mailboxes are correct prefixed inspite the first one - the second sed expression starting after ; corrects that The full commandline for the muttrc: mailboxes `find ...` Any comments, suggestions and improvements greatly appreciated. -- BNCU Marcus msg22478/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Problem with mbox-hook
Hello, I've been using Mutt for some time now (and really like it). I decided I would try using a few mbox-hook's, and can't seem to get any to work. Here are what I think are the relavant lines from my .muttrc: set folder=~/mail set move=ask-yes mbox-hook =python-list =python-list-save Just as an example. I use procmail to filter the mail into a folder ~/mail/python-list. I would then like for mutt to send the read messages to ~/mail/python-list-save when I leave the box. But it doesn't work. :) I've read the docs, sample rc's, and mail list archives...but to no avail. Thanks, Ben -- Ben Logan: ben at wblogan dot net OpenPGP Key KeyID: A1ADD1F0 An apple a day makes 365 apples a year.
Recovering interrupted compositions?
I sometimes ssh into my machine from work and use Mutt. The connection through the firewall, however, is, uh, a bit tenuous and often gets dropped. Sometimes this happens when I am composing a message. Is there a good way to recover these compositions and pick up where I left off? I'm using Vim as my editor. Sam
Re: Recovering interrupted compositions?
On Mon, Jan 7, 2002, Samuel Padgett wrote: I sometimes ssh into my machine from work and use Mutt. The connection through the firewall, however, is, uh, a bit tenuous and often gets dropped. Sometimes this happens when I am composing a message. Is there a good way to recover these compositions and pick up where I left off? I'm using Vim as my editor. vim -r will give you a list of recoverable temp files. Rarely fails me. -Ken
Re: signed emails, why ?
Thus spake Alexander Skwar ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Look into the archives and into the Web to find out why PGP is a good thing. Of course it's a good thing. No doubt about that. But not for mailinglist mails. And also not for usenet news. This has been discussed often on this and other lists in the past. I think we all have to agree to disagree on this topic, as there are staunch supporters on both sides of the argument. I would say to look at it like a mailing list signature that you have no say in. Perhaps you could make procmail remove it, or otherwise modify the mail, but other than that I think that you will have to live with people signing list mail. -- Justin R. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] View my website at http://codesorcery.net Please encrypt email using key 0xC9C40C31 msg22482/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Recovering interrupted compositions?
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 12:44:09PM -0500, Samuel Padgett wrote: I sometimes ssh into my machine from work and use Mutt. The connection through the firewall, however, is, uh, a bit tenuous and often gets dropped. Sometimes this happens when I am composing a message. Is there a good way to recover these compositions and pick up where I left off? I'm using Vim as my editor. Depending on how vim was terminated, you might be able to use 'vim -r' to recover the file. See the man page. A better way to handle this is to run screen on your work machine. Then when your connection drops, simply re-logon to your work machine, run 'screen -r' to re-attach the screen session, and pick up where you left off. Everything will be just as it was when the connection dropped. It is _so_ nice! See http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/screen/ Gary -- Gary Johnson | Agilent Technologies [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Spokane, Washington, USA http://www.spocom.com/users/gjohnson/mutt/ |
Re: signed emails, why ?
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 12:43:02PM -0500, Justin R. Miller wrote: I would say to look at it like a mailing list signature that you have no say in. Perhaps you could make procmail remove it, or otherwise modify the mail, but other than that I think that you will have to live with people signing list mail. Or have the list software remove it, but I wouldn't like to do that ;) Steve -- NetTek Ltd Flat 2, 43 Howitt Road, Belsize Park, London NW3 4LU, UK tel +44-(0)20 7483 1169 fax +44-(0)20 7483 2455 mob 07775 755503 SMS steve-pager (at) gbnet.net [body] gpg 1024D/468952DB 2001-09-19
Re: signed emails, why ?
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 05:05:39PM +, Lars Hecking wrote: I have been on this list since 1997, and I'm unsubscribing because - too many mails on the list are signed, which slows down processing immensly Why not just 'unset pgp_verify_sig'? That's what I do. - there's just too much noise I don't know what to do about that, except to post less often myself. Gary -- Gary Johnson | Agilent Technologies [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Spokane, Washington, USA http://www.spocom.com/users/gjohnson/mutt/ |
Re: signed emails, why ?
Gary Johnson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: - there's just too much noise I don't know what to do about that, except to post less often myself. Gary And, ironically, he mailed the list to tell us why he's unsubscribing instead of just unsubscribing. =) -- Ben Reed a.k.a. Ranger Rick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://defiance.dyndns.org/ / http://radio.scenespot.org/ Frankenstein was the creator -- not the monster. It's a common misconception, held by all truly stupid people. -- Kryten
Re: Bold text
On 2002.01.07, in [EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Nick Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes I mean /like/ HTML, but *not* HTML as I dump anything of nature > also. I guess my understanding of real ASCII text is mistaken. I thought > that because I saw bold text in mails sent to me (back when I was > exclusively using Eudora under Win) that I could do the same. I guess > they were some kind of HTML thing. You could use enriched text. It's documented in RFC 1563: ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc1563.txt It's HTML-like, without being HTML, and it could be what you've seen in Eudora. Eudora used to send enriched text when you applied styles, I think. Now it just sends HTML (badly), but it still can interpret enriched text (badly). This message is in enriched text. Here's some text in boldfaced type. Here's italic. You can also do formatting -- you can center text, and right-justify it, and align it evenly to both sides, although the line breaks get a little quirky. I suppose you need enough text to fill out at least two whole display lines to make this example work to any visible effect. Here's a little more noise, just to take up extra space for demonstration purposes. You can also do color: red text, and green text, and blue text -- all eight ANSI text colors are supported in mutt, at least. (Actually, I'm not entirely sure that mutt's enriched handler is handling this correctly. Colors and bold/italics work, but only with an external pager, not with the builtin pager. Left, center, and right alignments work in either, but full-flush alignment does not. Thomas, this seems like a bug, but this is the first time I've played with enriched text, and I could be off base. I'm using 1.3.24 at the moment.) Watch what happens if you resize your viewing window and re-display the message! All enriched text is flowed by default. I'm not sure what the best way to *create* enriched text is, though. Presumably you'd want some kind of graphicky editor, but I don't know squat about those. -- -D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] NSIT University of Chicago
Re: more of the same problem
[05.01.02 13:44 -0600] rhad -- : running fetchmail ... This in turn gave me lovely error output: rhad-linux:/home/rhad # fetchmail -v --keep -a /var/log/fetchmail fetchmail: SMTP connect to localhost failed SMTP is a sendmail/alternate matter. I am using postfix for this purpose, so I can't help with sendmail. ... after that I also tried to send some email (local and global) only to get SMTP errors. ARGH! Seems your problem is sendmail here. If you absolutely can't get it working, you might try postfix instead (compiles like charm here, documentation is understandable and needs only 3-4 variables changed to get it going for the first run). Then make sure the daemon is in the background waiting for work. (multiple pop servers for email, one outgoing mail server at the ISP, a DSL connection, and linux (2.4 based)) ... similar, but not equal: linux-2.4.x, modem, multiple pop, one ISP relay, postfix/fetchmail/mutt. -- Erika Pacholleck [EMAIL PROTECTED] mutters: insert vowels of last name
Re: Send-hook is Lazy
[sab 05/01/2002, ore 12:57] = Aaron Schrab scrive: At 11:33 +0100 05 Jan 2002, Franco Vite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But: if I want to put the right signature when I replay (epmovi with .signature.epmovi, default From with .signature and so on [I've many accounts...]), how I can do? You can have send-hooks that match on the address that the message will appear to be from: send-hook . set signature=~/.signature send-hook '~f epmovi' 'set signature=~/.signature.epmovi' Now I've a little problem: before my browser was 1 r L 29 dic [MaX] 0,3K Archivi ML PPC? 2 F 30 dic [Franco Vite] 0,8K Now is 1 r L 29 dic [MaX] 0,3K Archivi ML PPC? 2 F 30 dic [To Linuxppc Use] 0,8K Why? PS Linuxppc User is the name of mailing list -- Franco Quello che abbiamo e' quello che ci siamo presi, e quello che ci siamo presi e' solo una piccola parte di quello di cui abbiamo bisogno Assalti Frontali
Mutt sucks less than the rest
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I like Mutt's motto: All e-mail clients suck; mutt just sucks less. And I used to believe it too, until I started trying to use GPG regularly. I switched from Pine to mutt specifically for its built-in support for PGP/GPG. But I found that either I don't understand how to best make use of this support, or it really needs some work. I'd like to offer my opinions about how to make mutt REALLY suck less, and at the same time ask for help about how to fix some of the problems. Also note that I'm using Mutt 1.3.22.1i (2001-08-30) so I guess it's possible that some of this stuff may have changed in some of the recent updates. But that's not the sense that I get... Here's my current list of gripes: - forwarded messages not included in quoting There seems to be no way to make mutt include a forwarded message in quoted text. MUCH more often than not, that's the behavior I want, so that I can comment on what the original writer wrote. Maybe a way does exist, since it seems intuitive that people would want to do this, but I couldn't find a way. IIRC, Pine (for example) has a handy option for this. - sigs not included in quoting Occasionally, you run across a sig that's just damn cool, or otherwise warrants comment. I can find no way to make mutt include the sig in e-mail, temporarily or otherwise. I'm certain that Pine has a handy option for this. - HTML mail I hate HTML mail as much as anyone. Honestly. But the fact is, a lot of people use it. And sometimes, important people use it. Yes, mutt does have ways to display these messages, but they are inconvenient at best. And, AFAIK, mutt does not include a means of QUOTING these messages, when one must reply to them. This sucks. I'll grant you that I toss these messages out usually anyway, but I need to have the option of dealing with them if I need to. - encrypting attachments Often when one sends an encrypted e-mail, one wants to send attachments too. Sometimes you want the attachment encrypted, and sometimes you don't (or actually, I ALWAYS do, but I can conceive of reasons why one might not, or at least not care). Mutt seems to do the latter by default, and there doesn't seem to be any way to do the former in mutt, other than to uuencode all the files manually, and paste them into the message that you're typing. This defeats the whole point of having PGP support, IMO. - pgp userid identification Despite the fact that I've composed an e-mail to a person whose e-mail address matches exactly one of the userid's in my gpg key ring, and despite the fact that gpg will select the correct key every time when invoked seperately on the command line, mutt insists on prompting me to choose between several keys with somewhat similar e-mail addresses attached to them. This is, IMO, really dumb. If I've got only one key that matches an e-mail address exactly, mutt should use that key and never prompt me to choose between other keys that might be similar. For example, I have two keys in my key ring, one of which is for the e-mail address [EMAIL PROTECTED], and [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], I'm always prompted to choose between these two keys. This makes NO sense. If there's one, and only one exact match, mutt should be smart enough to use it. - pgp hooks The behavior of mutt wrt PGP hooks seems particularly brain dead. I attempted to solve the above problem by using a pgp hook to associate [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a particular key id. Now, instead of prompting me to choose between keys, mutt prompts me TWICE to see if I really, really want to use that key. I wouldn't have created a pgp hook if I didn't Come on! The pgp hook should eliminate the need for prompting! What's the point, if it's just going to ask you to select the key anyway? - clearsigned and/or ascii-armored messages Whether you guys like it or not, most of the rest of the world uses clearsigning and ascii-armored plaintext messages. Mutt falls down here. You apparently refuse to support this, which makes no sense since the majority of the PGP-using world uses this form of message. This has caused me and a few of my mutt convertees and people we converse with no end of headaches. The FAQ mentions using procmail to convert these kinds of e-mail, but I have two problems with that: 1) It is not and should not be the job of my MDA to modify messages which are in a format in common use so that my MUA can read them. My MUA should be able to handle all forms of e-mail that are in common usage. Or at the very least, those described by RFCs, which this IS. 2) THIS DOES NOT ALWAYS WORK. There are cases where, IIRC, if the e-mail has attachments, the procmail filters recommended make the e-mail in question unreadable by mutt. THIS IS NOT A WORKABLE SOLUTION. Also, mutt will only *send* PGP-MIME messages. However, there are only a handful of clients that can properly handle PGP-MIME,
List noise [was Re: signed emails, why ?]
On 2002.01.07, in [EMAIL PROTECTED], Benjamin Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Johnson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: - there's just too much noise I don't know what to do about that, except to post less often myself. And, ironically, he mailed the list to tell us why he's unsubscribing instead of just unsubscribing. =) I don't think it's ironic, just excusably off-topic. But it's true, and it needed to be said sometime. I've considered unsubscribing a number of times, myself, but I'm not quite to that point yet. However, when my 550-600 messages per day finally gets to be too much, which list will fall off first? That's right, the one with 50-75 messages per day, seemingly a third of which are social in nature, or questions about vim or other software that is not mutt. Indicating that a problem exists hardly comprises noise in itself. I expect this will be my only complaint on the subject, but I've long felt that the issue deserved a little attention. -- -D.[EMAIL PROTECTED]NSITUniversity of Chicago
Re: Send-hook is Lazy
On 2002.01.07, in 20020107113541.GA629@shanti, Franco Vite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: before my browser was 1 r L 29 dic [MaX] 0,3K Archivi ML PPC? 2 F 30 dic [Franco Vite] 0,8K Now is 1 r L 29 dic [MaX] 0,3K Archivi ML PPC? 2 F 30 dic [To Linuxppc Use] 0,8K Why? PS Linuxppc User is the name of mailing list Have you changed your value of $alternates? If the sender's name matches $alternates, and your $index_format has %F in that slot, it will expand to the recipient's name instead of to your name. -- -D.[EMAIL PROTECTED]NSITUniversity of Chicago
Re: more of the same problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At some point hitherto, Erika Pacholleck hath spake thusly: [05.01.02 13:44 -0600] rhad -- : running fetchmail ... This in turn gave me lovely error output: rhad-linux:/home/rhad # fetchmail -v --keep -a /var/log/fetchmail fetchmail: SMTP connect to localhost failed Disclaimer: I did not see the original post, so this advice might be useless... ;-) It may be that sendmail is not running on the system, or is not currently accepting mail due to some error condition. Check to see if it's running using something like ps axu |grep sendmail and look for a message about sendmail: Accepting connections or some such thing. If that gives you no clues, try checking your system logs (probably /var/log/mail.log or similar). If it's not running, start it with something like /etc/init.d/sendmail start If that works, you'll probably need to add it to your boot scripts, with checkconfig --add sendmail HTH - -- Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - I prefer mail encrypted with PGP/GPG! GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D Retrieve my public key at http://pgp.mit.edu Learn more about it at http://www.gnupg.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8Oe3OdjdlQoHP510RAoIVAKChw+sYeVBZ/P0jH63i8IpoJSyUMwCeK3fl qVf9oAc2fVjj0c4XCsM0heQ= =J/Wp -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Bold text
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At some point hitherto, David Champion hath spake thusly: This message is in enriched text. Here's some text in boldfaced type. Here's italic. You can also do formatting -- you can These worked for me (using mutt 1.3.22.1) center text, and right-justify it, and As did these... align it evenly to both sides, although the line breaks get a little quirky. I suppose you need enough text to fill out at least two whole display lines to make this example work to any visible effect. Here's a little more noise, just to take up extra space for demonstration purposes. But this did not. You can also do color: red text, and green text, and blue text -- all eight ANSI text colors are supported in mutt, at least. And this didn't either. They all showed up as blue text on a black background. Is this a settings issue, or do I just need to update? Thanks - -- Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - I prefer mail encrypted with PGP/GPG! GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D Retrieve my public key at http://pgp.mit.edu Learn more about it at http://www.gnupg.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8Oe8PdjdlQoHP510RAhpsAKCXBM79U4p0Qeg5KoaLybWsFtBkqQCfYV1A ZOzx005TNTv1kXoGDrgaREw= =Ys2r -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Recovering interrupted compositions?
Ken Weingold [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: vim -r will give you a list of recoverable temp files. Rarely fails me. Yes, but then how do I actually send the message. Cut-n-paste into a new composition buffer? I was hoping Mutt had some facility to notice /tmp/mutt-* files that are unsent and allow you to resume composition--something like what Gnus does. If Emacs crashes while you're composing an email in Gnus, the message is automatically stored in a drafts group. It then only takes a few keystrokes to get back to exactly where you were. The dropped connections happen often enough for me that cut-n-paste becomes a real nuisance. [ Unfortunately, the real problem--the unreliable network connection--is out of my control :-( ] Thanks, Sam
Re: Recovering interrupted compositions?
Gary Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A better way to handle this is to run screen on your work machine. Then when your connection drops, simply re-logon to your work machine, run 'screen -r' to re-attach the screen session, and pick up where you left off. This is a really good idea. Thanks! Sam
Re: List noise [was Re: signed emails, why ?]
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 12:53:05PM -0600, David Champion [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: On 2002.01.07, in [EMAIL PROTECTED], Benjamin Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Johnson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: - there's just too much noise I don't know what to do about that, except to post less often myself. And, ironically, he mailed the list to tell us why he's unsubscribing instead of just unsubscribing. =) I don't think it's ironic, just excusably off-topic. But it's true, and Especially considering that it's one of the Mutt old guard saying it. it needed to be said sometime. I've considered unsubscribing a number of times, myself, but I'm not quite to that point yet. However, when my 550-600 messages per day finally gets to be too much, which list will fall off first? That's right, the one with 50-75 messages per day, seemingly a third of which are social in nature, or questions about vim or other software that is not mutt. Indicating that a problem exists hardly comprises noise in itself. I expect this will be my only complaint on the subject, but I've long felt that the issue deserved a little attention. aolme too/aol I guess it's nice that Mutt is getting so much use these days, but a lot of the traffic does seem to be... well, noise. I admit I have a hard time keeping www.mutt.org's user sections as current as I should at least partially because of the fact that following this list very closely is a formidable task. Though, to be blunt, a more current FAQ would probably help a lot in keeping the traffic down. If anyone wanted to try their hand at it and did a very good job I would certainly link to it. msg22497/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
Derek D. Martin wrote: There seems to be no way to make mutt include a forwarded message in quoted text. why not just reply and then change the 'To' header. you can delete the 'in-reply-to' if you're worried about messing up headers. that said, it would be cool if there were 'forward_inline' and 'forward_quoted' options or something. - sigs not included in quoting i've always seen sigs included in quoting. for instance, yours is: - I prefer mail encrypted with PGP/GPG! GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D Retrieve my public key at http://pgp.mit.edu Learn more about it at http://www.gnupg.org I hate HTML mail as much as anyone. Honestly. But the fact is, a lot of people use it. And sometimes, important people use it. Yes, mutt does have ways to display these messages, but they are inconvenient at best. And, AFAIK, mutt does not include a means of QUOTING these messages, when one must reply to them. This sucks. i have no problem quoting them. i have: text/html; w3m -dump %s; nametemplate=%s.html; copiousoutput in my .mailcap and: # view annoying html mail inline auto_view text/html # if plain text and html prefer plain text alternative_order text/plain text/enriched text/html in my .muttrc is it really necessary to complain so much? perhaps it's best to first nicely ask how to do something. this is more likely to elicit a positive response. - encrypting attachments Often when one sends an encrypted e-mail, one wants to send attachments too. Sometimes you want the attachment encrypted, and sometimes you don't (or actually, I ALWAYS do, but I can conceive of reasons why one might not, or at least not care). Mutt seems to do the latter by default, and there doesn't seem to be any way to do the former in mutt, other than to uuencode all the files manually, and paste them into the message that you're typing. This defeats the whole point of having PGP support, IMO. mutt always encrypts attachments i'm 99% sure. i'm not sure if there's a way to NOT encrypt / sign attachments of a PGP signed or encrypted message. - clearsigned and/or ascii-armored messages Whether you guys like it or not, most of the rest of the world uses clearsigning and ascii-armored plaintext messages. Mutt falls down here. You apparently refuse to support this, which makes no sense since the majority of the PGP-using world uses this form of message. This has caused me and a few of my mutt convertees and people we converse with no end of headaches. [snip] Also, mutt will only *send* PGP-MIME messages. However, there are only a handful of clients that can properly handle PGP-MIME, while virtually all off them (with the exception of mutt) handle clearsigning and ASCII-armored plaintext messages just fine. you can use pgp_create_traditional. however outhouse doesn't work well with the MIME type set to application/pgp my understanding is that this is deprecated anyway, so perhaps it's best to change the default clearsign behavior to just plain text? just an idea In my experience, trying to force people to do it the right way usually guarantees that no one will want to play nice with you, unless you're the guy with monopoly power well there are reasons for this; namely you can only send in US/ascii if you're using clear text signing / encryption. it seems a bit presumptious to assume that the whole world wants to send mail in us/ascii. it also makes signing / encryption of attachments impossible or difficult. I'm aware of (and use) the patch to make mutt send outlook-compatible messages, since almost NO ONE I converse with on a regular basis can read PGP-MIME messages, but it still sends PGP-MIME messages when the message includes attachments, and doesn't seem to give me the option not to. This sucks. isn't this pretty much impossible (other than the method you mentioned before of including uuencoded text in the message body)? that was my understanding anyway. w
Re: Recovering interrupted compositions?
On Mon, Jan 7, 2002, Samuel Padgett wrote: vim -r will give you a list of recoverable temp files. Rarely fails me. Yes, but then how do I actually send the message. Cut-n-paste into a new composition buffer? I was hoping Mutt had some facility to notice /tmp/mutt-* files that are unsent and allow you to resume composition--something like what Gnus does. If Emacs crashes while you're composing an email in Gnus, the message is automatically stored in a drafts group. It then only takes a few keystrokes to get back to exactly where you were. AFAIK, it is up to the editor, not mutt. When in vim, go to ':help recover' and it will tell you what you need to know. IOW you can do it right from within vim. -Ken
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
Thus spake Will Yardley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): that said, it would be cool if there were 'forward_inline' and 'forward_quoted' options or something. See $forward_quote :-) -- Justin R. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] View my website at http://codesorcery.net Please encrypt email using key 0xC9C40C31 msg22500/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
- clearsigned and/or ascii-armored messages Whether you guys like it or not, most of the rest of the world uses clearsigning and ascii-armored plaintext messages. Mutt falls down here. You apparently refuse to support this, which makes no sense since the majority of the PGP-using world uses this form of message. [...] Not true. 6.3.121. pgp_create_traditional Type: quadoption Default: no This option controls whether Mutt generates old-style PGP encrypted or signed messages under certain circumstances. Note that PGP/MIME will be used automatically for messages which have a character set different from us-ascii, or which consist of more than a single MIME part. Also note that using the old-style PGP message format is strongly deprecated. (I don't remember when this was introduced, though.) Secondly, mutt also supports checking of traditionally signed email (i.e. without conversion). EscP check-traditional-pgp check for classic pgp
messages being sent incorrectly
Hi all I'm certain this is something I've done but just can't work out what. I just spoke to my mum who said the email I'd sent had come through as an attachment as opposed to in the body of the message when she opened it? Actually, two attachments one of which is the pgp sig. What would cause my emails to be sent as attachments rather than inline(if that's the right term)? Many thanks -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com msg22502/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 There seems to be no way to make mutt include a forwarded message in quoted text. MUCH more often than not, that's the behavior I want, so that I can comment on what the original writer wrote. Maybe a way does exist, since it seems intuitive that people would want to do this, but I couldn't find a way. IIRC, Pine (for example) has a handy option for this. The easiest way to do this is, of course, to just use reply. ;-) Well, yes, except that I sometimes also use forward instead of reply, so that signatures are not stripped from the message. And sometimes I don't want attribution/quote marks. But often that does work... - sigs not included in quoting Occasionally, you run across a sig that's just damn cool, or otherwise warrants comment. I can find no way to make mutt include the sig in e-mail, temporarily or otherwise. I'm certain that Pine has a handy option for this. I don't understand your question. Mutt does not cut off .signatures. Hmmm... well, whenever I reply to a message, everything after sigdashes is stripped from the message. It's possible that my editor is doing this (I use post-mode for emacs), and I'll look into that. Whatever it is, it's pretty inconvenient at times, for example when signing up for some lists. The replies sent by some lists include the authorization info AFTER sigdashes (including the mutt mailing lists) which then get stripped out upon replying to the mail. Failing to notice the sigdashes means I need to quit out of composing the message, and either use forward or cut and paste the auth command. Yep, I'm lazy! ;-) I hate HTML mail as much as anyone. Honestly. But the fact is, a lot of people use it. And sometimes, important people use it. Yes, mutt does have ways to display these messages, but they are inconvenient at best. And, AFAIK, mutt does not include a means of QUOTING these messages, when one must reply to them. This sucks. I'll grant you that I toss these messages out usually anyway, but I need to have the option of dealing with them if I need to. Add this line to your ~/.mailcap: text/html; lynx -underscore -force_html -dump %s; copiousoutput And this one to your ~/.muttrc: auto_view text/html That should be all that's necessary to automatically display (and include in replies) HTML messages. K, I'll try this, but I could swear I did this before and had some sort of problem with it... Whether you guys like it or not, most of the rest of the world uses clearsigning and ascii-armored plaintext messages. Mutt falls down here. [SNIP more of my ramblings...] Try Esc-P when displaying a message. Ok... I was unfamiliar with this option/feature. I guess you could add another gripe: documentation. The old version is well documented, but the new one has none, as far as I could tell. Thanks - -- Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - I prefer mail encrypted with PGP/GPG! GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D Retrieve my public key at http://pgp.mit.edu Learn more about it at http://www.gnupg.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8OfdudjdlQoHP510RAiepAJ93EQztxQRRIeUNP49bQhGpAxRQogCgtBbR YuNtCc9b9FjSPYoFAQFWXbg= =ZQVL -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: messages being sent incorrectly
Nick Wilson wrote: Actually, two attachments one of which is the pgp sig. What would cause my emails to be sent as attachments rather than inline(if that's the right term)? this is mutt's default behavior. you can do: pgp_create_traditional but this still sends it as 'application/pgp-signature' (or something like that) so you will need the pgp_outlook_compat patch if you want to send a plaintext, clearsigned attachment (or else pgp sign a text file and then attach that or something). better yet... don't pgp sign mails to people unless you specifically know that they can deal with it. presumably your mum knows you well enough that she'll notice something's up if some evil h4x0r takes over your email without having to check your pgp signature. w
Re: messages being sent incorrectly
* Will Yardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020107 20:51]: Nick Wilson wrote: Actually, two attachments one of which is the pgp sig. What would cause my emails to be sent as attachments rather than inline(if that's the right term)? this is mutt's default behavior. you can do: pgp_create_traditional but this still sends it as 'application/pgp-signature' (or something like that) so you will need the pgp_outlook_compat patch if you want to send a plaintext, clearsigned attachment (or else pgp sign a text file and then attach that or something). better yet... don't pgp sign mails to people unless you specifically know that they can deal with it. presumably your mum knows you well enough that she'll notice something's up if some evil h4x0r takes over your email without having to check your pgp signature. Sorry, my post was unclear. I'm not really worried about the sig. It's the fact that the body of the mail (like this text) was received as an attatchment that she had to open. That can't be right sure? -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com msg22505/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
At some point hitherto, mike ledoux hath spake thusly: On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 01:40:30PM -0500, Derek D. Martin wrote: There seems to be no way to make mutt include a forwarded message in quoted text. MUCH more often than not, that's the behavior I want, so that I can comment on what the original writer wrote. Maybe a way does exist, since it seems intuitive that people would want to do this, but I couldn't find a way. IIRC, Pine (for example) has a handy option for this. I'm not sure what you mean. When I forward a message, it prompts me if I want to 'Forward MIME encapsulated'. If I answer 'n', the text of the forwarded message appears in my editor. It isn't quoted, if that's what you mean (it shows up between 'Forwarded message' indicators instead). Ok, so I'm beginning to suspect that this, along with my .sig problem, may actually be caused by post.el - a mode for emacs to edit mail. I'm going to look into this. [SNIP] text/html; /usr/bin/lynx -force_html %s; needsterminal text/html; /usr/bin/lynx -dump -force_html %s; copiousoutput When I get HTML mail it automatically gets passed through lynx and displayed in Mutt's pager. When I reply, the output of lynx is quoted in my reply. The 'needsterminal' entry allows me to explicitly view HTML mail in lynx, which I sometimes want to do. The need to do that never occured to me... How do you choose between them? Pine's internal handling of HTML mail is much better than Mutt's. Agreed. Often when one sends an encrypted e-mail, one wants to send attachments too. Sometimes you want the attachment encrypted, and sometimes you don't (or actually, I ALWAYS do, but I can conceive of reasons why one might not, or at least not care). Mutt seems to do the latter by default, and there doesn't seem to be any way to do the former in mutt, other than to uuencode all the files manually, and paste them into the message that you're typing. This defeats the whole point of having PGP support, IMO. I'm not sure what you're saying here, either. Ok, I may be confused about this. Some of these things were items I'd jotted down a while back, meaning to ask about them some time ago, so I'm going from memory. I don't send encrypted mail with attachments all that often, so it's been a while since I had to deal with this one specifically. Next time I run into whatever this problem was, I'll ask again. ;-) -- Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I prefer mail encrypted with PGP/GPG! GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D Retrieve my public key at http://pgp.mit.edu Learn more about it at http://www.gnupg.org
Re: Problem with mbox-hook
Forgot to mention the version of Mutt that I'm using (says it in the headers, but here it is anyway): 1.2.5i Thanks, Ben On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 12:42:46PM -0500, Ben Logan wrote: Hello, I've been using Mutt for some time now (and really like it). I decided I would try using a few mbox-hook's, and can't seem to get any to work. Here are what I think are the relavant lines from my .muttrc: set folder=~/mail set move=ask-yes mbox-hook =python-list =python-list-save Just as an example. I use procmail to filter the mail into a folder ~/mail/python-list. I would then like for mutt to send the read messages to ~/mail/python-list-save when I leave the box. But it doesn't work. :) I've read the docs, sample rc's, and mail list archives...but to no avail. Thanks, Ben -- Ben Logan: ben at wblogan dot net OpenPGP Key KeyID: A1ADD1F0 An apple a day makes 365 apples a year. -- Ben Logan: ben at wblogan dot net OpenPGP Key KeyID: A1ADD1F0 I need another lawyer like I need another hole in my head. -- Fratianno
Re: Problem with mbox-hook
Ben Logan muttered: I've been using Mutt for some time now (and really like it). Welcome. :) I decided I would try using a few mbox-hook's, and can't seem to get any to work. Here are what I think are the relavant lines from my .muttrc: set folder=~/mail set move=ask-yes mbox-hook =python-list =python-list-save ^ Quoting the manual: Usage: mbox-hook [!]pattern mailbox pattern is a regular expression specifying the mailbox to treat as a ``spool'' mailbox and mailbox specifies where mail should be saved when read. =python-list is no regex. Leave out the =, then it should work. HTH, Michael -- Oh, I've seen copies [of Linux Journal] around the terminal room at The Labs. (By Dennis Ritchie) PGP-Key: http://www-stud.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~tatgeml/public.key
Re: messages being sent incorrectly
Thus spake Nick Wilson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Sorry, my post was unclear. I'm not really worried about the sig. It's the fact that the body of the mail (like this text) was received as an attatchment that she had to open. That can't be right sure? That is a result of Outlook not listening to the Content-disposition: inline header. The compat patch fixes that by changing the Content-type as well. -- Justin R. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] View my website at http://codesorcery.net Please encrypt email using key 0xC9C40C31 msg22509/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Recovering interrupted compositions?
Ken Weingold [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AFAIK, it is up to the editor, not mutt. When in vim, go to ':help recover' and it will tell you what you need to know. IOW you can do it right from within vim. I guess my point is that there are a lot of manual steps here: start new composition, use :recover command in Vim, cut and paste old message into new buffer, etc. Unless there's an easier way? Wouldn't it be nice, though, if Mutt could recognize that it was killed during message composition and allow you to pick up from where you last saved with a simple command, no fuss and muss? Or maybe this isn't quite as easy as I make it out to be? Sam [who promises to never say no fuss and muss again]
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
Derek D. Martin wrote: At some point hitherto, mike ledoux hath spake thusly: On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 01:40:30PM -0500, Derek D. Martin wrote: There seems to be no way to make mutt include a forwarded message in quoted text. MUCH more often than not, that's the behavior I want, so that I can comment on what the original writer wrote. Maybe a way does exist, since it seems intuitive that people would want to do this, but I couldn't find a way. IIRC, Pine (for example) has a handy option for this. I'm not sure what you mean. When I forward a message, it prompts me if I want to 'Forward MIME encapsulated'. If I answer 'n', the text of the forwarded message appears in my editor. It isn't quoted, if that's what you mean (it shows up between 'Forwarded message' indicators instead). Ok, so I'm beginning to suspect that this, along with my .sig problem, may actually be caused by post.el - a mode for emacs to edit mail. I'm going to look into this. you might also look to 'mime_forward' ?? (ie into setting it to 'ask-no' or 'ask-yes' rather than the default, whish is 'no'). i'm not sure if this is what you were referring to, but i think it's what mike was talking about. w
Customizing mutt to work the way you want!
About 2 weeks ago, I took the plunge and switched to mutt as my mail
reader. It took me several hours to read the documentation and
configure mutt so that I could use it adequately. I am sharing the
results of my efforts: My .muttrc and related configuration files,
heavily commented to explain why I setup things the way I did. I've
more-or-less gotten mutt to work how I need it.
Feel free to plug these configuration files into your mutt if you
want; they should pretty much work out of the box.
Read the bottom of .muttvimrc to see the special keybindings that I
setup in vim to make editing mail messages easier.
# Filter uninteresting headers; this way, when I view a message it
# won't show a lot of irrelevant headers
ignore *
unignore from: date subject to cc list-unsubscribe
hdr_order Date: From: To: Cc: Subject:
# View text/html attachments inline with lynx -dump (see also .mailcap)
# If both text/plain and text/html versions of a message are
# available, prefer the text/plain version since it will probably look
# better on a terminal.
auto_view text/html
alternative_order text/plain text/enriched text/html
# CUSTOM KEY BINDINGS
# Perhaps due to using pine, I've gotten it in my head that I should
# always be able to keep pressing i to get out of any menu.
bind attach i exit
# Because I can never get the HOME and END keys to work through
# telnet/ssh, I need to make another key to take that function. I
# picked Alt- and Alt- since that's similar to emacs.
bind generic esc first-entry # like in emacs
bind generic esc last-entry
# This makes the Up and Down keys in the message index NOT skip
# over deleted messages.
bind index Up previous-entry
bind index Down next-entry
# Because I can't get PgUp and PgDn to work.
bind index Space next-page
bind index - previous-page
# Having Left and Right as pageup/pagedown is counterintuitive and
# confuses me when I accidentally hit them, so I disable them.
bind index Left noop
bind index Right noop
# Again, to replace Home and End.
bind pager esc top
bind pager esc bottom
# Up and Down will go to the previous/next message by default in
# pager mode. This is counterintuitive.
bind pager Up previous-line
bind pager Down next-line
# The search-opposite function in the pager is UNBOUND by default! But
# I think this is an important command.
bind pager N search-opposite
# Inspired by vi/less.
bind pager G bottom
# Don't abort composing a message if I give a blank subject
set abort_nosubject=no
# Don't abort composing a message if I give a blank body
set abort_unmodified=no
# Beep upon receiving new mail
set beep_new=yes
# When saving a message, append the message to an existing mailbox
# without asking (Why should it ask, anyway? Mailboxes generally have
# multiple messages...)
set confirmappend=no
# Allow me to edit the headers of the message I'm sending
set edit_headers=yes
# Use 'vim' as the editor. Load my special .muttvimrc configuration
# file that configures vim just for sending e-mail. +/^$ makes the
# cursor move to after the header initially.
set editor=vim -u ~/.muttvimrc +/^$
# In the message list, display the number of bytes in a message
# instead of the number of lines. mutt always displays the number of
# lines as 0 in a Maildir folder unless I've preprocessed the
# messages to add a Lines: directive, but I didn't want to do that.
set index_format=%4C %Z %{%b %d} %-15.15L (%4c) %s
# Check for new mail every 5 seconds
set mail_check=5
# In the pager, don't display + at the beginning of wrapped lines;
# it's distracting
set markers=no
# When creating a new folder, default to Maildir format.
set mbox_type=Maildir
# Don't ask me to move messages out of my inbox when I quit.
set move=no
# When going to the next page, keep the bottom two lines of this page
# on top so that I have some context
set pager_context=2
# If I'm at the end of a message and I try to go to the next page,
# don't move me to the next message
set pager_stop=yes
# Put postponed messages in the following folder
set postponed=~/Mail/postponed
# If I press the Postpone key, ask for confirmation
set postpone=ask-yes
# Don't say Press any key to continue... after I finish running an
# external program
set prompt_after=no
# When I quit mutt, ask for confirmation
set quit=ask-yes
# Put sent mail in this folder
set record=./Mail/sent
# Sort messages by the date received. By default, mutt sorts messages
# by the date sent, which is going by the sender's computer clock. But
# some people have their clock off by YEARS which messes up the sort
# order!
set sort=date-received
# When viewing messages by thread, sort a thread using the date of its
# last message, rather than the first message.
set sort_aux=last-date-received
# If I idle in mutt for 10 seconds, then check for new mail. (This is
# 600 by default, which means if I'm not actively using mutt, new mail
# might not show up for as long as 10 minutes.)
set timeout=10
# use date-received to thread messages
set thread_received=yes
#
Re: messages being sent incorrectly
* Justin R. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020107 21:36]: Thus spake Nick Wilson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Sorry, my post was unclear. I'm not really worried about the sig. It's the fact that the body of the mail (like this text) was received as an attatchment that she had to open. That can't be right sure? That is a result of Outlook not listening to the Content-disposition: inline header. The compat patch fixes that by changing the Content-type as well. Great! Where do I get it? And is there a way to name the sig attachment? It's confusing some people and I'd rather they didn't think I was sending them stuff they _had_ to open. Thanks :) -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com msg22513/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: signed emails, why ?
So sprach »Justin R. Miller« am 2002-01-07 um 12:43:02 -0500 : the mail, but other than that I think that you will have to live with people signing list mail. Sure. However, now that you seem to have run out of arguments, please remember how this thread started. Somebody asked about opions wrt. signed mails in a mailinglist. And I simply stated my opinion about it. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.iso-top.de | Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 22 days 5 hours 3 minutes
Re: utf-8 display problem index vs. pager
On Sonntag, 06. Jan. 2002 at 20:53:24, MuttER wrote: On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 08:30:05PM +0530, Prahlad Vaidyanathan wrote: mailcap text/html; w3m -T text/html %s /mailcap You could also add a 'copiousoutput' at the end of that, and set auto_view text/html in your muttrc to put w3m's output into your pager. pv. ---end quoted text--- text/html; w3m -dump -T text/html %s; copiousoutput above works well for me (using auto_view) Hello MuttER, I have this in my mailcap file: text/html; html2text %s; copiousoutput; nametemplate=%s.html because the output is much better than this lynx or w3m. Try it. CU Michael -- If God had intended Man to Watch TV, He would have given him Rabbit Ears. msg22515/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
On Mon, 07 Jan 2002 at 13:40:30 -0500, Derek D. Martin wrote: Here's my current list of gripes: - forwarded messages not included in quoting There seems to be no way to make mutt include a forwarded message in quoted text. MUCH more often than not, that's the behavior I want, so that I can comment on what the original writer wrote. Maybe a way does exist, since it seems intuitive that people would want to do this, but I couldn't find a way. IIRC, Pine (for example) has a handy option for this. set forward_quote=yes in your .muttrc - sigs not included in quoting Occasionally, you run across a sig that's just damn cool, or otherwise warrants comment. I can find no way to make mutt include the sig in e-mail, temporarily or otherwise. I'm certain that Pine has a handy option for this. This is the default. If you *don't* want the sigs, the easiest way to not get them is to have your editor strip them at -- . - HTML mail I hate HTML mail as much as anyone. Honestly. But the fact is, a lot of people use it. And sometimes, important people use it. Yes, mutt does have ways to display these messages, but they are inconvenient at best. And, AFAIK, mutt does not include a means of QUOTING these messages, when one must reply to them. This sucks. I'll grant you that I toss these messages out usually anyway, but I need to have the option of dealing with them if I need to. text/html; w3m -T text/html %s; copiousoutput in your .mailcap If I reply to an HTML message, mutt quotes it like it does for normal text messages. - jim -- jim mock [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://soupnazi.org/ | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recovering interrupted compositions?
Sam -- ...and then Samuel Padgett said... % % Ken Weingold [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: % % vim -r will give you a list of recoverable temp files. Rarely fails % me. % % Yes, but then how do I actually send the message. Cut-n-paste % into a new composition buffer? Rather than cut-n-paste I would just read in the file; at worst you might have to vim -r in a separate window, save it somewhere, and then go into mutt and read it in. Yes, it's still manual, but it's better than using a mouse. % % I was hoping Mutt had some facility to notice /tmp/mutt-* files % that are unsent and allow you to resume composition--something % like what Gnus does. If Emacs crashes while you're composing an % email in Gnus, the message is automatically stored in a drafts % group. It then only takes a few keystrokes to get back to exactly % where you were. The problem, of course, is that the editor is killed (along with mutt) when your connection is dropped, so mutt wouldn't even have a chance to take the file that vim was editing (and didn't get to finish, though much of the data will be in the swap file for recovery) and save the message in your =Postponed folder for when you came back. Hmmm... If you have edit_hdrs turned on, perhaps a vim -r followed by a session of mutt -f /path/to/that/file would work... I doubt it, but it's worth poking into, particularly if you can turn it into an entry in the postponed box. % % The dropped connections happen often enough for me that % cut-n-paste becomes a real nuisance. [ Unfortunately, the real % problem--the unreliable network connection--is out of my control % :-( ] You should try screen, which not only lets you multiplex your connection but saves your state as well. I couldn't live without it! % % Thanks, % Sam :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22517/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: how make From: header dependent on recipient?
At 05:50 + 07 Jan 2002, Tom Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The trouble is that send-hook can only look at the message that's about to be sent, not its parent. After a web trawl, it looks like the patch described in the second half of this mail http://www.ultraviolet.org/mail-archives/mutt-users.2001/2406.html may be what I'm after. I'll give it a go soon. It should be possible to do what you seem to want. But I noticed that you're still using mutt 1.2.5, if you're planning to stick with that version, the patch may not work. Then again it might, since there weren't too many changes to the relevant parts of code between that and version 1.3.23.1. If you were planning to upgrade to a recent development release, there's an updated version of that patch available from: http://schrab.com/aaron/mutt/ -- Aaron Schrab [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.execpc.com/~aarons/ I don't think anything makes my show look good. -- Jerry Springer msg22518/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
Lars Hecking wrote: Secondly, mutt also supports checking of traditionally signed email (i.e. without conversion). EscP check-traditional-pgp check for classic pgp Months ago there was a thread how to do this automatically. But at that time all tries didn't work; AFAIR there was a conceptual problem (endless loops or so, I don't know exactly any more). Well, to read one single mail I can hit Esc-P, but when searching in a complete folder in the message bodies this leads to a problem. Has anyone developed a working muttrc line concerning this problem ? Or is there a corresponding mutt variable in the meantime, I overlook? -volker -- http://die-Moells.de/ * http://Stama90.de/ * http://ScriptDale.de/ Amnesia used to be my favorite word, but then I forgot it.
Re: messages being sent incorrectly
Nick -- ...and then Nick Wilson said... % % * Justin R. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020107 21:36]: % Thus spake Nick Wilson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): % % the fact that the body of the mail (like this text) was received as an % attatchment that she had to open. % % That can't be right sure? % % That is a result of Outlook not listening to the Content-disposition: % inline header. The compat patch fixes that by changing the Content-type % as well. % % Great! % Where do I get it? It's by Shane Wegener, and you can get it from his site at ftp://ftp.cm.nu/pub/people/shane or from my site at http://mutt.justpickone.org/ in the build cocktail directory as patch-1.3.15.sw.pgp-outlook.1 (yes, the .15 version applies cleanly to the .25 source). % % And is there a way to name the sig attachment? It's confusing some % people and I'd rather they didn't think I was sending them stuff they % _had_ to open. If you use both $p_c_t and $p_o_c then LookOut! will be able to handle it even though it's named something like msg.pgp or whatnot. % % Thanks :) HTH HAND % % % -- % % Nick Wilson % % Tel: +45 3325 0688 % Fax: +45 3325 0677 % Web: www.explodingnet.com :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22520/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Problem with mbox-hook
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 09:04:29PM +0100, Michael Tatge wrote: Ben Logan muttered: I've been using Mutt for some time now (and really like it). Welcome. :) Thanks. =python-list is no regex. Leave out the =, then it should work. Ah, yes. I tried just python-list first, (and even some things like ^python-list$, etc), but they didn't work. Then I found that I had set move=no in my muttrc. So I changed that, and forgot to try without the '=' again. Duh! :) I did see an '=' in the sample.rc, though. Well, anyway, I took it out, and it works. Thanks! Ben -- Ben Logan: ben at wblogan dot net OpenPGP Key KeyID: A1ADD1F0 Pascal Users: To show respect for the 313th anniversary (tomorrow) of the death of Blaise Pascal, your programs will be run at half speed.
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
Thus spake Volker Moell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Months ago there was a thread how to do this automatically. But at that time all tries didn't work; AFAIR there was a conceptual problem (endless loops or so, I don't know exactly any more). Well, to read one single mail I can hit Esc-P, but when searching in a complete folder in the message bodies this leads to a problem. Has anyone developed a working muttrc line concerning this problem ? Or is there a corresponding mutt variable in the meantime, I overlook? Yeah, I brought that up. Never did figure out a good way to do it without the loops... -- Justin R. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] View my website at http://codesorcery.net Please encrypt email using key 0xC9C40C31 msg22522/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
recipient as default subject
Hi, all -- It appears that the recipient is now (1.3.25) provided as the default subject. At least, as far as I can tell it is, and I even went back to my completely-bare unpatched version to make sure. [From either within mutt or the command line, when I start a new message to foo, the subject prompt comes up and is pre-filled with foo.] I checked through the FM but couldn't find anything that looked like it related to such behavior... What gives? TIA HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22523/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: recipient as default subject
On Jan 07, David T-G [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: It appears that the recipient is now (1.3.25) provided as the default subject. At least, as far as I can tell it is, and I even went back to my completely-bare unpatched version to make sure. [From either within mutt or the command line, when I start a new message to foo, the subject prompt comes up and is pre-filled with foo.] I checked through the FM but couldn't find anything that looked like it related to such behavior... What gives? FWIW I don't see this behaviour at all using 1.3.25. And I know there's nothing like this in the standard options because I just went through all of them again this weekend. Sounds like it's something non-standard going on. msg22524/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
* Derek D. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [07-01-2002 20:59]: | text/html; /usr/bin/lynx -force_html %s; needsterminal | text/html; /usr/bin/lynx -dump -force_html %s; copiousoutput | | When I get HTML mail it automatically gets passed through lynx and | displayed in Mutt's pager. When I reply, the output of lynx is quoted | in my reply. The 'needsterminal' entry allows me to explicitly view | HTML mail in lynx, which I sometimes want to do. | | The need to do that never occured to me... How do you choose between | them? When the message is displayed (and, of course, you have auto_view text/html set, mutt pages the output of the dump version. When you visit the text/html thing of the message using 'v'iew-attach, it fires up an instance of lynx, and enables you to browse the message, and, of course, follow external hyperlinks. -- René Clerc - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Hear about... the fellow who got ten years for pumping Ethyl behind the station? msg22525/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Good HTML to text converter?
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 08:50:16PM +0100, Michael Wagner wrote: I have this in my mailcap file: text/html; html2text %s; copiousoutput; nametemplate=%s.html because the output is much better than this lynx or w3m. Try it. The problem that I see with lynx, w3m and links is that the -dump output they produce is not so suited for plain text reading. For one thing, all normal P.../P paragraph text is indented several spaces. If you are looking at an HTML message that uses tables to format things (rather than using tables to tabulate data), you DON'T want table support when it gets converted to text. What is this html2text program that you are using?
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
Derek D. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hmmm... well, whenever I reply to a message, everything after sigdashes is stripped from the message. It's possible that my editor is doing this (I use post-mode for emacs), and I'll look into that. I'm pretty sure that post-mode does this. You might want to try a command like M-x apropos-variable RET post.*sig RET or somesuch to see what variable enables the behavior. Sam
Re: Bold text
Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I use vim as my editor and can't work out how to make portions of my text bold? I know many of you use vim so I hope someone can help. Some MUAs will display a^Ha (aa) as a bold a. Is this what you mean? Sam
Re: signed emails, why ?
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 10:16:58 -0800, Gary Johnson wrote: Why not just 'unset pgp_verify_sig'? That's what I do. But is there an option to ask Mutt not to display garbage like [-- La sortie PGP suit (heure courante : Tue Jan 8 00:13:02 2002) --] gpg: Avertissement: l'utilisation de la mémoire n'est pas sûre ! gpg: Signature faite Mon Jan 7 20:14:36 2002 CET avec une clé DSA ID F009764F gpg: Impossible de vérifier la signature: clé publique non trouvée [-- Fin de sortie PGP --] [-- Les données suivantes sont signées --] and [-- Fin des données signées --] ? The s in the index is sufficient for me if I want to know if a message is signed. -- Vincent Lefèvre [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Web: http://www.vinc17.org/ - 100% validated HTML - Acorn Risc PC, Yellow Pig 17, Championnat International des Jeux Mathématiques et Logiques, TETRHEX, etc. Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / SPACES project at LORIA
