Re: external page: vi - vim / avoid dangerous mappings!
On 06-Mar-02 at 00:53, Sven Guckes's inspired musing was thus : danger, will robinson! you just might mistype 'X' with 'Z' and then all your changes are lost. Not if you have a French AZERTY or german ZSDF keyboard... -- |-Simon White |-Internet Services Manager |-MTDS S.A. / \ |-tel +212.3.767.4861# GIMPS current unit progress: 28.10% # |-fax +212.3.767.4863# (http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm) # |-14, rue 16 novembre\ / |-Rabat, Kingdom of Morocco
Re: Saving a read E-Mail into an imap-folder - O-flag
On 05-Mar-02 at 19:03, David DeSimone's inspired musing was thus : This is documented as a known bug in IMAP: * Server copy currently doesn't take into account uncommitted changes in messages about to be copied. Sync first. The advice works. When you sync (hit $) the folder, the changes made by Mutt are sent to the server (Messages are marked as Read), and then when you ask Mutt to save/copy the message to another folder, the flags will be correct. This may be documented as a bug, but take this: MUTT is working locally with a mirror of what it read off the server. Unless you sync with the mailserver, the actual flags on the mail server are not the same as the ones you see on your screen. You have to send your new flags back to the server before they change on the server. If you copy a message to another folder, mutt will just ask the server to move the message, without (probably) loading it locally first (why transfer a large message to mutt over a dialup connection only to stick it back on the server?). So the flags on the server will still be unchanged unless you have $ynced. I can't really tell, but I suspect this is the case since I am dialling up to my workstation via SSH and therefore have a 100mbps link to the mailserver at all times. -- |-Simon White |-Internet Services Manager |-MTDS S.A. |-tel +212.3.767.4861 |-fax +212.3.767.4863 |-14, rue 16 novembre |-Rabat, Kingdom of Morocco
FCC to a program/pipe?
I've been digging around for a bit trying to figure out the best way to do this: How can I set mutt up to pipe an auto-FCC of my outgoing mail to a program, instead of a file? (The obvious attempt of FCC to |program doesn't work; a fairly extensive read of the docs didn't suggest that such a thing was possible, but I figured I'd ask before digging through the source). Thanks! -Dave -- work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] me: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIT Laboratory for Computer Science http://www.angio.net/
Re: FCC to a program/pipe?
FCC to a local file which is watched by the external program? On 06-Mar-02 at 00:16, David G. Andersen's inspired musing was thus : I've been digging around for a bit trying to figure out the best way to do this: How can I set mutt up to pipe an auto-FCC of my outgoing mail to a program, instead of a file? (The obvious attempt of FCC to |program doesn't work; a fairly extensive read of the docs didn't suggest that such a thing was possible, but I figured I'd ask before digging through the source). Thanks! -Dave -- work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] me: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIT Laboratory for Computer Science http://www.angio.net/ -- |-Simon White |-Internet Services Manager |-MTDS S.A. |-tel +212.3.767.4861 |-fax +212.3.767.4863 |-14, rue 16 novembre |-Rabat, Kingdom of Morocco
Re: avoid dangerous mappings!
* Simon White [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020306 08:45]: On 06-Mar-02 at 00:53, Sven Guckes's inspired musing was thus : danger, will robinson! you just might mistype 'X' with 'Z' and then all your changes are lost. Not if you have a French AZERTY or german ZSDF keyboard... sure. but whatever keyboard there is... mapping a single key to a command that aborts your editing session no-questions-asked is *very* dangerous. you may have heard the story about the admin who mapped F1 to :qa! - rest in peace! (it was not a pretty sight... eww.) Sven
Re: FCC to a program/pipe? - FIFO? atchange?
* David G. Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020306 09:29]: I've been digging around for a bit trying to figure out the best way to do this: How can I set mutt up to pipe an auto-FCC of my outgoing mail to a program, instead of a file? use a file which was created a FIFO - that's the best way (I think). (i have no experience with this, unfortunately.) and then there is a program which watches files for events, triggering programs if necessary. atchange Sven
Re: avoid dangerous mappings!
On 06-Mar-02 at 11:25, Sven Guckes's inspired musing was thus : you may have heard the story about the admin who mapped F1 to :qa! - rest in peace! (it was not a pretty sight... eww.) Point taken. Hehehehe :-) -- |-Simon White |-Internet Services Manager |-MTDS S.A. / \ |-tel +212.3.767.4861# GIMPS current unit progress: 28.22% # |-fax +212.3.767.4863# (http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm) # |-14, rue 16 novembre\ / |-Rabat, Kingdom of Morocco
Re: vim startup on first empty line
* John Buttery [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020306 07:12]: On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 05:13:27PM -0500, Joel Hammer wrote: map z z --- fast shift email to top of screen. First command given after email comes up in vi. I wish I could get this to happen automatically. Well, I'm pretty much a vi newbie myself but someone showed me a command called normal which lets you specify characters to pass arbitrarily to vi. yup. commands on the command line have to be ex commands; no normal mode commands allowed. however, bram added :normal as a pseudo ex command and thereby allows the execution of normal mode commands on the command line. everybody confused now? good. here's an example: :au BufNewFile,BufRead /tmp/mutt-* 1;/^$/:normal zt Oh yeah, and yes vi=vim in this email. :) 5.8 specifically, and yes I plan to upgrade soon. i think people *are* reading my posts. *grin* Sven -- Sven [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vim.org/ [vim-versions] Latest Vim VERSIONS http://www.vim.org/hist.html release history release dates given latest user release: VIM-6.0 [010926] in format yymmdd. latest developer release: VIM-6.1a.028 [020304]
Re: deleting an attachment while composing..
On [05/03/02] 16:38, Ryan Singer wrote: i was sending a message today and ran into a problem. i was attaching a series of files, and attached one that i later wanted to remove before sending. i checked the help, but couldn't seem to find help (?) in compose mode says: D detach-file And it works for me ;-) Radek -- +--+ | Radek Spacil, research assistant,| | WLan project, Telecommunication laboratory | | Lappeenranta University of Technology| | www: http://www.lut.fi/~spacil/ | +--+ msg25083/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
News about Mutt - guckes.net/mutt/news.html
I have finally moved all the news items about mutt from my main page about mutt to an extra page. So now you can bookmark it and have NetMind send you an update notice when the page changes. further news welcome, of course. :-) and for those of you who cannot read the table with lynx - well, time to try the links browser. ;-) Sven -- Sven [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mutt-versions] Latest versions: MUTT http://www.mutt.org/ news:comp.mail.mutt mutt-1.2.5 [000729] MUTT http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mutt/ mutt-1.3.27 [020122] MUTT MUTT - *the* mailer for UNIX with color, threading, IMAP+MIME+PGP+POP
Re: Pager problems in 1.3.27
On Mon, 04 Mar 2002, 16:09, Raymond A. Meijer wrote: If I run mutt version 1.3.27, I get a blank screen when I view a message in the pager. The top and bottom lines are there, but the message headers and body are not visible. [...] Everything else in mutt seems to work fine, except entering text, like in the To: prompt. I don't see the characters that I type there either, even though the cursor moves.. I've tried all mutt 1.3.x versions, several $TERM settings, several compile options, but it still doesn't work...every 1.3.x has the problem. Every 1.2.x works fine without any adjustments. Sometimes the pager displays a bit more (something like \222\222), but I still can't read mail with 1.3.x. What should I look at next?? I've been trying through the Windows PuTTY ssh client all along; I'll reboot into Debian now to see if it works better. I'll post the results here. Thanks, Ray P.S. I could make screenshots if anybody would want to see what's happening... --
Re: News about Mutt - guckes.net/mutt/news.html
On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Sven Guckes wrote: I have finally moved all the news items about mutt from my main page about mutt to an extra page. So now you can bookmark it and have NetMind send you an update notice when the page changes. further news welcome, of course. :-) perhaps you should send the url in your email (the one in your signature is usable with lynx, so you probably aren't talking about that). -- T.E.Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
Re: Pager problems in 1.3.27
On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Raymond A. Meijer wrote: P.S. I could make screenshots if anybody would want to see what's happening... more useful would be a typescript (from running mutt within 'script'). -- T.E.Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
Re: News about Mutt - guckes.net/mutt/news.html
* On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Sven Guckes wrote: I have finally moved all the news items about mutt from my main page about mutt to an extra page. * Thomas E. Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020306 13:41]: perhaps you should send the url in your email (the one in your signature is usable with lynx, so you probably aren't talking about that). huh? the URL is in the Subject: line... anyway - here it is again: http://guckes.net/mutt/news.html - http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mutt/news.html mind you - the announcements of new versions are available via mutt-dev and also on the History Page - guckes.net/mutt/hist.html . Sven
Error message when no more inodes?
Someone complained (in a French newsgroup) that his mailbox was read-only and he didn't know why. Later, he found that the problem was due to the fact there were no more inodes on his disk. Perhaps Mutt should display an error message (with as much information as possible) so that the user doesn't think the problem comes from Mutt and knows what is the cause of the problem. -- Vincent Lefèvre [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Web: http://www.vinc17.org/ - 100% validated (X)HTML - Acorn Risc PC, Yellow Pig 17, Championnat International des Jeux Mathématiques et Logiques, TETRHEX, etc. Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / SPACES project at LORIA
Re: News about Mutt - guckes.net/mutt/news.html
On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Sven Guckes wrote: * On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Sven Guckes wrote: I have finally moved all the news items about mutt from my main page about mutt to an extra page. * Thomas E. Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020306 13:41]: perhaps you should send the url in your email (the one in your signature is usable with lynx, so you probably aren't talking about that). huh? the URL is in the Subject: line... anyway - here it is again: http://guckes.net/mutt/news.html - http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mutt/news.html shrug - you're using a table where a list works just as well. either way, it's readable. -- T.E.Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
Re: Is mutt really handicapped?
On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 10:22:04PM +, Dave Smith wrote: (snipped a bunch of good points) Yes, it doesn't have nice and point-and-clicky interface, but I don't like them, anyway. Like many of you on this list probably do, I get several hundred messages a day (up to 600). I almost hyperventilate at the thought of trying to navigate through them with a pointy-clicky interface. There are some things that point-and-click GUIs are good for, but they are usually (in my experience) far less efficient than an interface like mutt's. Therefore, I consider mutt's interface another plus. :) I guess the sort of people who would use a GUI file manager would use Netscape mail (or maybe Kmail or something like that), and people who use loads of xterms would use mutt. I feel the same way about GUI file managers the same way I do about Netscape mail. :) -- Ben Logan: ben at wblogan dot net OpenPGP Key KeyID: A1ADD1F0 When the bosses talk about improving productivity, they are never talking about themselves.
Re: Pager problems in 1.3.27
* Raymond A. Meijer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020306 13:36]: I've tried all mutt 1.3.x versions, several $TERM settings, several compile options, but it still doesn't work... every 1.3.x has the problem. Every 1.2.x works fine without any adjustments. Sometimes the pager displays a bit more (something like \222\222), but I still can't read mail with 1.3.x. What should I look at next?? $ mutt-1.3.27 -v Does the output show -HAVE_COLOR? If so then you'll owe us all a beer! I've been trying through the Windows PuTTY ssh client all along; this is new info, right? cehck the color settings! P.S. I could make screenshots if anybody would want to see what's happening... script! Sven
Re: Pager problems in 1.3.27
On Wed, 06 Mar 2002, 15:03, Sven Guckes wrote: What should I look at next?? Does the output show -HAVE_COLOR? If so then you'll owe us all a beer! Pheeewww :-) If it's a bug then you all owe me a beer! ;-) mutt-1.3.27 -v Mutt 1.3.27i (2002-01-22) Copyright (C) 1996-2001 Michael R. Elkins and others. Mutt comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type mutt -vv'. Mutt is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; type mutt -vv' for details. System: Linux 2.4.13 (i686) [using ncurses 5.2] Compile options: -DOMAIN -DEBUG -HOMESPOOL +USE_SETGID +USE_DOTLOCK +DL_STANDALONE +USE_FCNTL -USE_FLOCK -USE_POP -USE_IMAP -USE_GSS -USE_SSL -USE_SASL +HAVE_REGCOMP -USE_GNU_REGEX +HAVE_COLOR +HAVE_START_COLOR +HAVE_TYPEAHEAD +HAVE_BKGDSET +HAVE_CURS_SET +HAVE_META +HAVE_RESIZETERM +HAVE_PGP -BUFFY_SIZE -EXACT_ADDRESS -SUN_ATTACHMENT +ENABLE_NLS -LOCALES_HACK +HAVE_WC_FUNCS +HAVE_LANGINFO_CODESET +HAVE_LANGINFO_YESEXPR +HAVE_ICONV -ICONV_NONTRANS +HAVE_GETSID -HAVE_GETADDRINFO -ISPELL SENDMAIL=/usr/sbin/sendmail MAILPATH=/var/mail PKGDATADIR=/usr/local/share/mutt SYSCONFDIR=/usr/local/etc EXECSHELL=/bin/sh -MIXMASTER To contact the developers, please mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. To report a bug, please use the flea(1) utility. Feature patch: status-time 1.3.25 by Byrial Jensen patch-1.3.27.cd.trash_folder.3 FYI: without these patches the same effect, so I left them in.. this is new info, right? cehck the color settings! I did, and I tried from a Linux bash prompt; still the same script! I sent one to Thomas E. Dickey; do you want a copy? Thanks, Ray --
Re: Viewing only mailboxes with 'N'
Quoting David Collantes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Mar 06, 2002 09:52]: I have a very long list of mailboxes. When I get into the mailbox list, I can see at the top I have 3 mailboxes with new messages, but I have to scroll down looking for those 3 one's. If there a way to mask and show only the mailboxes with new messages in it? My (imperfect) solution is to reverse sort by modification time (Oz in the file browser). Since I keep mutt open all day, and change mailboxes pretty often, it offers a simple way to sort folders. All the ones with new mail (usually) end up on or near the top. (darren) -- It is impossible to sharpen a pencil with a blunt axe. It is equally vain to try to do it with ten blunt axes instead. -- E. W. Dijkstra
Re: How to get mutt bark for new created mbox?
* Charles Jie [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02/03/06 10:37]: I found that if procmail feeds new mail into such mboxes and creates them, mutt will not get aware of the new mails. Is it a feature? mutt gets aware of new mail in mailboxes with the mailboxes command, see chapter 3.11 in the manual. HTH, Thomas -- Thomas Hümmler * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.huemmler.de
Re: Setting the hostname used in HELO
On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 10:29:48AM -0800, Bob McLaren wrote: So now what I am looking for is a simple SMTP client that is as easy to use as Mutt, or, some alternative means of getting Mutt to talk to my remote smtp server. nullmailer Simple, robust, relay only sendmail wrapper... -- _.|._ |_ _.: Adam Byrtek, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (_|||_)| |(_|: gg 1802819, pgp 0xB25952C0 |
Re: Setting the hostname used in HELO
On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 10:29:48AM -0800, Bob McLaren wrote: So now what I am looking for is a simple SMTP client that is as easy to use as Mutt, or, some alternative means of getting Mutt to talk to my remote smtp server. What about port-forwarding with ssh? -- Cheers, H. Heil __ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Ihre E-Mail noch individueller? - http://domains.yahoo.de
Re: Setting the hostname used in HELO
On 06-Mar-02 at 17:11, Heiko Heil's inspired musing was thus : On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 10:29:48AM -0800, Bob McLaren wrote: So now what I am looking for is a simple SMTP client that is as easy to use as Mutt, or, some alternative means of getting Mutt to talk to my remote smtp server. What about port-forwarding with ssh? Two contradictions... as easy to use as Mutt... ahem, well yes from a certain point of view Mutt is easy to use don't flame me. And then, if we need an easy solution... port forwarding with SSH... easy? hehee -- |-Simon White # GIMPS current unit progress: 28.60% #-| |-Internet Services Manager # http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm #-| |-MTDS S.A. 14, rue 16 novembre THIS SPACE tel: +212.3.737.4861-| |-Rabat, Kingdom of MoroccoFOR RENTfax: +212.3.737.4863-|
Re: OT - procmail duplicate recipe
* Dominik Mierzejewski ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Tuesday, 05 March 2002, Thomas Hurst wrote:
* Christopher S. Swingley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
And then I have recipes for my mailing lists:
:0:
* ^Sender:\ owner-mutt-users@mutt\.org in-mutt-users
Pfft, you want automatic list filtering, not this one-rule-per-list
crap ;)
Oh? I'm doing it just like Chris, could you point me to an example
that does thing The Right Way(tm)?
:0
* ^(Mailing-List: |Sender: owner-|X-BeenThere: |Delivered-To: mailing-list
|X-Mailing-List: |X-Loop: |X-List-ID: |X-list: |X-ML-Name: )\/[^@\.]+
{
LISTNAME = `echo $MATCH | sed -e 's/[\/]/_/g'`
:0:
$MAILDIR/lists/$LISTNAME
}
This is roughly how I do it. Works very well.
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Thomas 'Freaky' Hurst - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.aagh.net/
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The two most common things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.
Re: FCC to a program/pipe?
FCC to a local file which is watched by the external program? If you chose this route, i suggest you use maildir format -- then you can just use a short shell script to look for new files, process them, and delete them. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg25101/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Viewing only mailboxes with 'N'
Hi darren, * darren chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Mit 06 Mär 2002 10:01:56 GMT]: Quoting David Collantes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Mar 06, 2002 09:52]: I have a very long list of mailboxes. When I get into the mailbox list, I can see at the top I have 3 mailboxes with new messages, but I have to scroll down looking for those 3 one's. If there a way to mask and show only the mailboxes with new messages in it? My (imperfect) solution is to reverse sort by modification time (Oz in the file browser). Since I keep mutt open all day, and change mailboxes pretty often, it offers a simple way to sort folders. All the ones with new mail (usually) end up on or near the top. If you start your mutt more often another solution could be to to only mailboxes mailboxes which are recently modified. My mailboxes command in muttrc is: mailboxes `find $HOME/.procmail/backup $HOME/.procmail/duplicates $MAIL $HOME/Mail/root $HOME/Mail/spam $HOME/Mail/~ml/* -mtime -9|tr \n ` so mutt sees only mailboxes which are modified in the last 9 days. Mailinglists are in $HOME/Mail/~ml/ Ciao, Gregor
Re: Pager problems in 1.3.27
On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 03:01:39PM +0100, Raymond A. Meijer wrote: On Wed, 06 Mar 2002, 08:58, Thomas E. Dickey wrote: thanks (will look at this when I'm done with work - on my home machine I can analyze it properly) Cool! Thanks for trying to help me out! I'm looking - but still don't see the immediate problem. Your typescript file doesn't show any sign of black-on-black masking the characters - they simply aren't shown. Running it slowly, I don't see any extra cursor movement either - it just doesn't show anything in the pager. From other comments (and my own checks), it's not related to ncurses. So it looks like a problem with mutt (or something obscure with your Linux configuration, such as a broken iconv). -- Thomas E. Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
Re: Scoring known addresses
On Feb 28, Volker Moell [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Is there a posibillity to score all known mail addresses (i.e. all addresses defined in aliases) in one single score statement? David Champion has a patch for this... you can find a link to it from www.mutt.org in the user patches section. msg25105/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Various questions from a new user
A little more info... On Mar 04, Mike Schiraldi [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: 1: What does the * mean on the tree arrow in a thread? I've searched the manual for this repeatedly, but I must keep missing it. This might not be in there yet -- mutt's threading subsystem was recently overhauled, and i'm not sure if the old one had a *. It's been there forever. It means that mutt thinks the message is part of the thread, but isn't sure exactly where in the thread it belongs. For example, it might have a subject which matches the thread, but no specific In-Reply-To header explaining exactly where it belongs. See the manual re: strict_threads for more info. folder-hook . 'ignore X- Resent- Errors-To Envelope-To' folder-hook IN-Spambox 'unignore *' This is a wild guess, but try putting a '\' before the '-', since the first arg is a regexp. Yeah, in general you need to make sure that IN-Spambox matches the folder you want, and that you don't need something like =IN-Spambox. msg25106/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Scoring known addresses
On 2002.03.05, in [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeremy Blosser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 28, Volker Moell [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Is there a posibillity to score all known mail addresses (i.e. all addresses defined in aliases) in one single score statement? David Champion has a patch for this... you can find a link to it from www.mutt.org in the user patches section. Yes, it's a modifier to the regular ~f, ~t, ~C, ~L, etc. patterns. @~f . messages from any known alias @~t . messages to any known alias @~C . messages to or cc any known alias @~L uchicago.edumessages to or from any alias in uchicago.edu :) etc. http://home.uchicago.edu/~dgc/mutt/#isalias -- -D.[EMAIL PROTECTED]NSITUniversity of Chicago
Re: News about Mutt - guckes.net/mutt/news.html
* Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [03-06-02 08:25] crowed: I have finally moved all the news items about mutt from my main page about mutt to an extra page. So now you can bookmark it and have NetMind send you an update notice when the page changes. further news welcome, of course. :-) NetMind became a subscription service (PAY) effective 15 Jan 02. -- Pat Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 Registered at: http://counter.li.org
Controlling headers displayed in vi pager
Since going to vi as my pager, I don't see all the headers I used to be able to see with the builtin pager. Is there a way to force mutt to show me all the headers in my vi pager? Joel
Re: retrieving IMAP mail
* pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] [03-03-02 08:23] crowed: I signed up for a myrealbox.com account and can access my new account from a browser without a problem (it wants cookie access). But when I try from mutt I get the following errors: mutt -f imap://myid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] No authenticators available also, mutt -f imap://imap.myrealbox.com No authenticators available I don't understand?? I will answer my own question. ssl is required at this location. -- Pat Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 Registered at: http://counter.li.org
mailbox notification
Hey people. So I'm making use of the compressed folders patch now, but it seems that Mutt is no longer telling me when new mail arrives in my gzipped folders. Is there a way to enable this again? I rely on it quite a bit. Thanks, Mike -- Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED], GnuPG pub key: 5BC8BE08 ...the word HACK is used as a verb to indicate a massive amount of nerd-like effort. -Harley Hahn, A Student's Guide to Unix msg25111/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: avoid dangerous mappings!
Well, I still find a single stroke command to exit the vi as a pager quite useful. I could have a separate .vimrc for the vi as pager; however, I am trying to maintain a single set of commands for using vi (vim). So, maybe this will suffice for a quick exit: map Z :w! /tmp/vi-backup :q! Joel
Re: mailbox notification
At 20:38 -0500 06 Mar 2002, Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I'm making use of the compressed folders patch now, but it seems that Mutt is no longer telling me when new mail arrives in my gzipped folders. Is there a way to enable this again? I rely on it quite a bit. You should not have mail delivered to compressed folders. If you do so, you are almost sure to lose mail eventually. -- Aaron Schrab [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.execpc.com/~aarons/ In general, if you think something isn't in Perl, try it out, because it usually is. :-)--Larry Wall
Mutt is not for everyone? (really)
Hello Guys! I don't think like you Sven :) - Mutt is for everyone! All is for everyone! Mutt isn't hard, or at less, Mutt isn't very hard :-) If I can read, write, filter, store, and do all what I do with mutt, with another program running under X-window, certaintly I will use this program (I don't use because none are able to work like mutt in my weak computer...) It depends on the need of person :-) -- Michel Thadeu Sabchuk - Sorry about my poor english :)
Re: mailbox notification
On 06/03/02 Aaron Schrab did speaketh: You should not have mail delivered to compressed folders. If you do so, you are almost sure to lose mail eventually. I don't understand why it's any different than standard procmail delivery. Procmail should still synchronize via a lockfile, yes? Please explain. Mike -- Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED], GnuPG pub key: 5BC8BE08 ...the word HACK is used as a verb to indicate a massive amount of nerd-like effort. -Harley Hahn, A Student's Guide to Unix msg25115/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mailbox notification
At 23:01 -0500 06 Mar 2002, Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 06/03/02 Aaron Schrab did speaketh: You should not have mail delivered to compressed folders. If you do so, you are almost sure to lose mail eventually. I don't understand why it's any different than standard procmail delivery. Procmail should still synchronize via a lockfile, yes? Please explain. Even with the compressed folder patch, mutt can't really deal with compressed folders. The patch simply tells mutt how to uncomress a mailbox into a temporary file and (if necessary) recompress it when done. If mutt needs to write back any changes that you have made to the temporary file it will blow away any new messages that have been written to it. Even if mutt would put a lock on it for the whole time you're using the compressed folder, after about 15 minutes procmail would consider the lock to be stale and remove it. Locking a mail file is not appropriate to cover this type of situation, it should only be done while a program is actively using the mailfile. The only other alternative would be for mutt to detect that the compressed version of the mailbox had changed and give you the opportunity to either save the uncompressed version or lose any changes that you had to that and just go with the compressed version. The compressed folders patch is really only intended to be used on archival mailboxes. -- Aaron Schrab [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.execpc.com/~aarons/ ...if you are lifeform that is not based on chemistry, I apologize in advance. -- Larry Wall http://www.perl.com/pub/1999/08/onion/talk1.html
Re: mutt is not for everyone
Sven Guckes wrote: mutt does not strive to be popular with everyone. after all, all those bad mailers were written to *fit* some people - and they certainly do! so dont take them away from those - they deserve it! i think this statement is a bit elitist simply because a tool is powerful doesn't mean that it can't also be fairly easy to use. it can be overwhelming to be faced with all that power at once; however that doesn't mean that the tool isn't still worth using. for instance, mutt might be far superior to pine, but there are still a lot of pine users out there, simply because pine is much easier to use initially. i was thinking about this in the car tonight, and i realized that (AFAIK) there isn't a simple interactive command line program to help new users adjust to / configure mutt. such a program could easily be written as a shell script or a perl script... and could be included in the mutt distribution, or in the contrib/ directory. basically, the tool would be oriented towards helping people set suitable defaults, and creating a decent .muttrc. while the mutt defaults are (in general) very sensibly chosen, it's often hard for new users to figure out what parameter they must change to have the desired effect. common stuff like set move=no, set mbox_type=Maildir, etc. could be included here, with a brief explanation of the choices. it could also ask if the user is used to other programs (ie pine) and offer to make the keybindings more familiar. it might also look at environment variables and the answers to previous questions in order to give sensible default choices (ie if $MAIL is set to /var/mail/william, that's probably a good choice for 'mbox'; if ~/mail exists but ~/Mail doesn't, setting folder to ~/mail is probably a good idea; if $EDITOR or $VISUAL is set to nano, then perhaps 'nano -t' would be the default selection offered for 'editor'). lastly, the program could explain a few things (commonly asked questions, for example) so that they're less likely to be asked on the list. if the program came out well enough, perhaps mutt could even ask if you want to run it if ~/.muttrc or ~/.mutt/muttrc don't exist. in any event, i'd be happy to help if anyone wants to work on this (if it's in perl, my ability to help will be limited). -- Will Yardley william newdream . net
Re: mutt is not for everyone
On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 10:16:24PM -0800, Will Yardley wrote: Sven Guckes wrote: mutt does not strive to be popular with everyone. after all, all those bad mailers were written to *fit* some people - and they certainly do! so dont take them away from those - they deserve it! i was thinking about this in the car tonight, and i realized that (AFAIK) there isn't a simple interactive command line program to help new users adjust to / configure mutt. such a program could easily be written as a shell script or a perl script... and could be included in the mutt distribution, or in the contrib/ directory. I'd be willing to help with this, assuming it was perl rather than shell, I can't claim to be a huge expert but this should be fairly straightforward (famous last words). Michael -- Dr Michael A. Maibaum - (W)+1 (415) 561 1682 - (H)+1 (415) 626 6733 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.gene-hacker.net/ msg25118/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Pager problems in 1.3.27
On Wed, 06 Mar 2002, 17:09, Thomas Dickey wrote: Hello, I'm looking - but still don't see the immediate problem. Your typescript file doesn't show any sign of black-on-black masking the characters - they simply aren't shown. Running it slowly, I don't see any extra cursor movement either - it just doesn't show anything in the pager. From other comments (and my own checks), it's not related to ncurses. So it looks like a problem with mutt (or something obscure with your Linux configuration, such as a broken iconv). That's what I'm thinking, too: iconv. Everything else runs fine on my machine, except mutt 1.3.x. But where do I start troubleshooting iconv... Ray --
