SOLVED : Re: Problems with hooks

2002-09-04 Thread Preben Randhol

Preben Randhol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/09/2002 (11:38) :
 Is there a way so I can set up a default hook which will be used for
 all folders that do not have a special folder-hook? If not I have to
 set up folder hooks for all the folders which is a bit cumbersome.

Please ignore my question after drinking some more coffee I found out my
error in my setup files so I got the

   folder-hook . \

to work.

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Re: overriding headers - is version info a security hole?

2002-09-04 Thread Rafael C. Gawenda

* Peter T. Abplanalp [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-08-29 17:12 (12:38:00)]

 i fail to see how knowing the version of mutt you are running will
 give any attacker enough information to hack your box.

Hints... take a carefull peek at the mail headers... than you
get noy only the MUA, but the first MTA involved, his linux box,
usually, with two version numbers. You can now relate them with
a concrete linux distro. you know holes from.

 i also heard/read somewhere that the only secure computer is the one
 that you have ground into fine silcon dust and scattered in the wind.

Rmember that C2 claims MS did about his NT4... tha concrete
computer certified, couldn't have floppy drives, CD, network
cards, nor any other device that communicates the machine,
excepting mouse, keyboard and monitor.

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mutt colors

2002-09-04 Thread Elimar Riesebieter

Hi all,

one of my colorsets is

color hdrdefault blackcyan

The text, but _only_ the text of my headers is black on cyan. Is it
possible to get the whole lines backgrounded in cyan? Tested in
xterm, aterm and ttyx.

Thx in advance

Ciao

Elimar

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Re: mutt colors

2002-09-04 Thread Thomas Dickey

On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 01:49:26PM +0200, Elimar Riesebieter wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 one of my colorsets is
 
 color hdrdefault blackcyan
 
 The text, but _only_ the text of my headers is black on cyan. Is it
 possible to get the whole lines backgrounded in cyan? Tested in
 xterm, aterm and ttyx.

yes - by modifying mutt.  It's the way mutt sets up the calls to ncurses
which produces this behavior.

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Re: mutt colors

2002-09-04 Thread Elimar Riesebieter

On Wed, 04 Sep 2002 the mental interface of Thomas Dickey told:

 On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 01:49:26PM +0200, Elimar Riesebieter wrote:
  Hi all,
  
  one of my colorsets is
  
  color hdrdefault blackcyan
  
  The text, but _only_ the text of my headers is black on cyan. Is it
  possible to get the whole lines backgrounded in cyan? Tested in
  xterm, aterm and ttyx.
 
 yes - by modifying mutt.  It's the way mutt sets up the calls to ncurses
 which produces this behavior.

I've seen some screenshots with the behaviour I want in the net?
Can't remember the adresses.

Ciao

Elimar

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Re: mutt colors

2002-09-04 Thread Thomas Dickey

On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 02:08:45PM +0200, Elimar Riesebieter wrote:
 On Wed, 04 Sep 2002 the mental interface of Thomas Dickey told:
 
  On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 01:49:26PM +0200, Elimar Riesebieter wrote:
   Hi all,
   
   one of my colorsets is
   
   color hdrdefault blackcyan
   
   The text, but _only_ the text of my headers is black on cyan. Is it
   possible to get the whole lines backgrounded in cyan? Tested in
   xterm, aterm and ttyx.
  
  yes - by modifying mutt.  It's the way mutt sets up the calls to ncurses
  which produces this behavior.
 
 I've seen some screenshots with the behaviour I want in the net?
 Can't remember the adresses.

The slang configuration does this.  (I'm offering advice only, since some
time ago I sent patches for mutt more than once which were ignored).

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location of signature.

2002-09-04 Thread Bo Peng

Hi, Everyone,

Mutt automatically put the signature at the end of the email. Can I let
it be put before the quoted text? 

Thanks.
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Rice University
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Re: location of signature.

2002-09-04 Thread Roman Neuhauser

# Bo Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2002-09-04 10:24:57 + (-0500):
 Hi, Everyone,
 
 Mutt automatically put the signature at the end of the email. Can I let
 it be put before the quoted text? 

yes. use Outlook.

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QP/base64 issues

2002-09-04 Thread Jonathan Perkin

Hello,

This has been bugging me all afternoon, so it's time I let people
who know what they're doing tell me what I'm doing wrong :)

Basically, I want mail sent with foreign chars such as £ å é etc
to *not* be sent as QP or base64.  Now, with

% /usr/sbin/sendmail -t
From: me
To: you
Subject: blah
£ñ÷åòôùïéõ±²³´
.

it works *perfectly*.  I get a nice clean mail, which hasn't been
modified in any way, and everything in the world is Good [tm].

Unfortunately, no matter how I configure mutt, I cannot seem to
get it to behave.  I believe the matter is due to the allow_8bit
and use_8bitmime variables, but no combination of these two gives
me what I want.

set allow_8bit, unset use_8bitmime:
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to base64 by gateg.kw.bbc.co.uk
£ ends up coming out as ?
unset allow_8bit, unset use_8bitmime:
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
£ ends up coming out as ?
unset allow_8bit, unset use_8bitmime:
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
£ ends up coming out as ?
set allow_8bit, set use_8bitmime:
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to base64 by gateg.kw.bbc.co.uk
£ ends up coming out as ?

I don't know where to go from here.  All other configuration variables
seem to be unrelated.  I want my mails to stop having lame =20 things
plastered all over them when I want to use a £ sign.

Someone please give me clues :-)

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Re: location of signature.

2002-09-04 Thread Heiko Heil

* Bo Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] [09/04/2002 18:01]:
 Mutt automatically put the signature at the end of the email. Can I let
 it be put before the quoted text? 

This discussion (Message-ID 8gcg1a$qte$[EMAIL PROTECTED]) may
be helpful for you.
-- 
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Heiko



imap+proxy+mutt

2002-09-04 Thread thunder hill

Hi

I am using mutt to read the mails from imap server.
by mutt -f{imap server}. but when i try to send the 
mails outside the lan its not working(bouncing back).
whereas inside mails are reaching inside the lan. I am
behind the proxy.
mail server and proxy are running on same
machines.there are some machines in our lan which dont
require proxy authentication. From those machines mutt
could send mails
to any destination outside and inside.
I copied some standard .muttrc and defined spoolfolder
and required imap settings. 
Do i miss something here? Is there any way to define 
my smtp to point to gateway / proxy smtp ?



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Re: location of signature.

2002-09-04 Thread Bo Peng

I am sorry but I could not find this message. Could you tell me its
subject or date? Is it in mutt-user group?

Thanks.
Bo

On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 08:16:12PM +0200, Heiko Heil wrote:
 * Bo Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] [09/04/2002 18:01]:
  Mutt automatically put the signature at the end of the email. Can I let
  it be put before the quoted text? 

 This discussion (Message-ID 8gcg1a$qte$[EMAIL PROTECTED]) may
 be helpful for you.




Re: location of signature.

2002-09-04 Thread -dsr-


Bo Peng wrote:
 I am sorry but I could not find this message. Could you tell me its
 subject or date? Is it in mutt-user group?
 
  This discussion (Message-ID 8gcg1a$qte$[EMAIL PROTECTED]) may
  be helpful for you.

It's a message ID. Go search Google Groups for it; you'll get a 12
message thread.

-dsr-

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mutt and exchange

2002-09-04 Thread Gregory Seidman

I looked around for information on how to do this, but didn't find any. I
would like to be able to deal with my email using mutt, as I have for a
year or two. Unfortunately, the job I now have uses MS Exchange for email
and I can't seem to get mutt talking to it.

When I run mutt -f imap://server/ it asks for my username and password,
then tells me that the login failed. The username and password are right,
since I use them successfully with Outlook. Much the same thing happens
with Mozilla mail, incidentally. Is there any way to get more information?
Is imap the wrong choice for dealing with Exchange? Do I need something
more in the URL?

--Greg




Re: mutt and exchange

2002-09-04 Thread Elimar Riesebieter

On Wed, 04 Sep 2002 the mental interface of Gregory Seidman told:

 I looked around for information on how to do this, but didn't find any. I
 would like to be able to deal with my email using mutt, as I have for a
 year or two. Unfortunately, the job I now have uses MS Exchange for email
 and I can't seem to get mutt talking to it.
 
 When I run mutt -f imap://server/ it asks for my username and password,
 then tells me that the login failed. The username and password are right,

Ask your M$ -Administrator. Does he exists?

 since I use them successfully with Outlook. Much the same thing happens
 with Mozilla mail, incidentally. Is there any way to get more information?
 Is imap the wrong choice for dealing with Exchange? Do I need something

No! The admin has to enable imap. Does he knows how to?

 more in the URL?
 
 --Greg

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Re: mutt and exchange

2002-09-04 Thread Omen Wild

Quoting Gregory Seidman [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Wed, Sep 04 15:21:

 Unfortunately, the job I now have uses MS Exchange for email and I
 can't seem to get mutt talking to it.

At my previous job it took me a while to get fetchmail working with
Exchange.  It has been a while, but I seem to remember that my username
included the Windows Workgroup in it: \\WORKGROUP\USERNAME.  Or maybe
after escaping the backslashes it was this: WORKGROUP\\USERNAME .
Try something like that.

Omen

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Re: mutt and exchange

2002-09-04 Thread Michael Leone


Elimar Riesebieter said:

 No! The admin has to enable imap. Does he knows how to?

I believe that IMAP is enabled by default on Exchange (it was on mine, I
believe). So if it's not running, the admin must have turned it off.

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Re: mutt and exchange

2002-09-04 Thread Michael Leone


Gregory Seidman said:

 When I run mutt -f imap://server/ it asks for my username and password,
 then tells me that the login failed. The username and password are
 right, since I use them successfully with Outlook. Much the same thing
 happens with Mozilla mail, incidentally. Is there any way to get more
 information? Is imap the wrong choice for dealing with Exchange? Do I
 need something more in the URL?

Try adding the domain to the username

domainname\username

(note backslash)

This allows you to authenticate to the MS domain, to login.


 --Greg


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Re: mutt and exchange

2002-09-04 Thread Gregory Seidman

Michael Leone sez:
} 
} Elimar Riesebieter said:
} 
}  No! The admin has to enable imap. Does he knows how to?
} 
} I believe that IMAP is enabled by default on Exchange (it was on mine, I
} believe). So if it's not running, the admin must have turned it off.

I have determined that IMAP is enabled, and that the servername I was using
in Outlook does map to an IP address.

Omen Wild sez:
} Quoting Gregory Seidman [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Wed, Sep 04 15:21:
}  Unfortunately, the job I now have uses MS Exchange for email and I
}  can't seem to get mutt talking to it.
} 
} At my previous job it took me a while to get fetchmail working with
} Exchange.  It has been a while, but I seem to remember that my username
} included the Windows Workgroup in it: \\WORKGROUP\USERNAME.  Or maybe
} after escaping the backslashes it was this: WORKGROUP\\USERNAME .
} Try something like that.

Well, I guessed a couple of workgroups, which didn't work, but I don't know
what workgroup I am in. Is there any way to tell from Windows XP
Professional (which is where I have Outlook working)? I don't believe the
machine itself is part of a workgroup, since I installed WinXP on it
myself. I don't recall entering a workgroup anywhere at all.

} Omen
--Greg




Syncing problems

2002-09-04 Thread Rafael C. Gawenda

Hi folks!

I'm using a compresed folder for this list as a local archive...
it has about 1.200 selected mails (hint about list content
quality), and some weeks ago I started having a problem that
annoys me a lot.

My procmail moves the list new mails into
mail/m.lists/inet-tech/mutt-users and I move them to the archive
(usually unread) manually in mutt.

Then when I get time to a list session, open the .gz mbox,
reading, deleting or archiving, and then the problem comes, but
only if the number of unread mails is about 100 or over. When
I've done half of the session, and change folder, nothing is
synced and I'll have to start over selecting for deletion or
archiving, but the compressing to message is displayed.

I suppose I'm going to do that work in the procmail non
compressed mbox, but then I loose the previous thread messages,
so I'm going to need two mutt, with different folders opened.
Too much work, isn't it?

Another thing is about a bug in quote_regexp (IMHO) I've
reported some weeks ago (and didn't hear anything back), and
could be noted in this mail signature ;)

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Re: mutt and exchange

2002-09-04 Thread David Rock

On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 04:27:19PM -0400, Gregory Seidman wrote:
 Michael Leone sez:
 
 Well, I guessed a couple of workgroups, which didn't work, but I don't know
 what workgroup I am in. Is there any way to tell from Windows XP
 Professional (which is where I have Outlook working)? I don't believe the
 machine itself is part of a workgroup, since I installed WinXP on it
 myself. I don't recall entering a workgroup anywhere at all.

I have this in my .muttrc:

set imap_user=username
set imap_pass=password

This works just fine for me connecting to Exchange 5.5 IMAP, no domain
information is necessary. Also, I didn't happen to notice what version of Mutt
you are using. The 1.2 branch has really bad IMAP support. You might want to
try the 1.3 or 1.4 branches if you aren't using them already.

-- 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: location of signature.

2002-09-04 Thread Bo Peng


OK. I found the messages and I am not glad about those so-called rules.
I THINK it is better to put the reply BEFORE quoted text and this has
nothing to do with M$. It is natural (to me) to put important part (my
reply) before non-important part (quote) and keep my signature closer to
the main body. This also makes an email easier to read if the quote is
long. If mutt does not have this function, it is perfectly fine. But
there is nothing wrong with M$ to provide it!

Bo


On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 03:14:55PM -0400, -dsr- wrote:

 Bo Peng wrote:
  I am sorry but I could not find this message. Could you tell me its
  subject or date? Is it in mutt-user group?
  
   This discussion (Message-ID 8gcg1a$qte$[EMAIL PROTECTED]) may
   be helpful for you.

 It's a message ID. Go search Google Groups for it; you'll get a 12
 message thread.

 -dsr-





Re: location of signature.

2002-09-04 Thread Rob Reid

At  7:17 PM EDT on September  4 Bo Peng sent off: 
 I THINK it is better to put the reply BEFORE quoted text and this has
 nothing to do with M$. It is natural (to me) to put important part (my
 reply) before non-important part (quote)

I understand your line of reasoning, but I think most people (if they haven't
been corrupted by years of the other way) prefer a temporal ordering, i.e. old
stuff at top, new stuff at bottom.

 and keep my signature closer to the main body.

I'd rather keep each sentence of my reply as close as possible to the point
that it is replying to.

 This also makes an email easier to read if the quote is long.

The quote should not be long, and the biggest reason why so many UNIX types
hate M$ for promulgating the bottom quote style is that it encourages people to
attach entire threads at the bottom of each message, guaranteeing that noone
will ever read them.

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Re: location of signature.

2002-09-04 Thread Patrick

* Bo Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] [09-04-02 18:22]:
 
 OK. I found the messages and I am not glad about those so-called rules.
 I THINK it is better to put the reply BEFORE quoted text and this has
 nothing to do with M$. It is natural (to me) to put important part (my
 reply) before non-important part (quote) and keep my signature closer to
 the main body. This also makes an email easier to read if the quote is
 long. If mutt does not have this function, it is perfectly fine. But
 there is nothing wrong with M$ to provide it!

You ARE entitled to your ?OPINION?.  Hope you have a flak jacket.
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Registered Linux User #207535 
  @ http://counter.li.org



Re: location of signature.

2002-09-04 Thread Charles Cazabon

* Bo Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] [09-04-02 18:22]:
 
 It is natural (to me) to put important part (my reply) before non-important
 part (quote)

If the quote isn't important, leave it out altogether.  Notice how I didn't
quote all of the text of the original message?  Notice how much easier to read
it is this way?

Mail-Followup-To: set.

Charles
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Re: mutt and exchange

2002-09-04 Thread Corren Vorwerk

Hi Gregory!

i also had the prob with my mutt.
without putting my password into my muttrc - i think its much saver on
most computers but mine at home - i found something strange out.

when i backspaced on the password-question and tham typed my
password it worked. 
so there was some prob with the login. well the sad thing is, that i
didn't find out any solution but this i just told you. 

try it for yourself like i just told you. maybe this leads you to find
the prob.

cu
corren

On Wed, 04 Sep 2002, Gregory Seidman wrote:

 I looked around for information on how to do this, but didn't find any. I
 would like to be able to deal with my email using mutt, as I have for a
 year or two. Unfortunately, the job I now have uses MS Exchange for email
 and I can't seem to get mutt talking to it.
 
 When I run mutt -f imap://server/ it asks for my username and password,
 then tells me that the login failed. The username and password are right,
 since I use them successfully with Outlook. Much the same thing happens
 with Mozilla mail, incidentally. Is there any way to get more information?
 Is imap the wrong choice for dealing with Exchange? Do I need something
 more in the URL?
 
 --Greg
 
 



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Re: location of signature.

2002-09-04 Thread Bo Peng

The discussion has gone closely to personal attack. I might have
triggered some anti-M$ feelings. :-(

  I THINK it is better to put the reply BEFORE quoted text and this has
  nothing to do with M$. It is natural (to me) to put important part (my
  reply) before non-important part (quote)

 I understand your line of reasoning, but I think most people (if they haven't
 been corrupted by years of the other way) prefer a temporal ordering, i.e. old
 stuff at top, new stuff at bottom.

There is nothing wrong with either order. Nobody is 'corrupted' by
anything. Software as good as mutt should be neutral between these
preferences, i.e. provides support for both styles.

  This also makes an email easier to read if the quote is long.

 The quote should not be long, and the biggest reason why so many UNIX types
 hate M$ for promulgating the bottom quote style is that it encourages people to
 attach entire threads at the bottom of each message, guaranteeing that noone
 will ever read them.

I do not see anything wrong with quoting the whole message. It is a good
reference if the reader need to read it or it can be ignored easily. I
do not think bandwidth is an issue too. The picture I sent yesterday
would have cost the bandwidth of 1000 emails' quoted text. 

I will write a vim function to insert my signature.
Bo



Re: location of signature.

2002-09-04 Thread Iain Truskett

* Bo Peng ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [05 Sep 2002 11:40]:

[...]
 I do not see anything wrong with quoting the whole message. It is a
 good reference if the reader need to read it or it can be ignored
 easily.

But I already have the previous messages. I can press P and read them. A
much better reference is the appropriate text spliced by the reply. That
way, I get immediate context for the reply rather than having to flip to
the bottom of the email, which could be quite long and thus several
pages down and then back up.

 I do not think bandwidth is an issue too. The picture I sent yesterday
 would have cost the bandwidth of 1000 emails' quoted text.

But you weren't sending that picture to 1000 people. How many people are
on this list? Multiply the size of your email by that number. Then,
assume a thread that has gone on for a while. Start using factorials to
calculate the bandwidth use. Anyway, to cut to the chase, it all gets
bigger.

The key is not how much bandwidth you use, but how much you waste. I
have no doubt that your picture was appropriately important. I have to
question, however, the importance of, say, this email having the text of
all previous emails within the thread. Needless. P ( parent-message )
is your friend.


All in all: it's a debate that has gone on for quite some time. Those
experienced in the Internet have a preferred way that they have arrived
at from experimentation and empirical analysis. Those inexperienced in
the net just use whatever they think of. Eventually, they learn.


cheers,
-- 
Iain.



Re: location of signature.

2002-09-04 Thread Will Yardley

Bo Peng wrote:
 
 I THINK it is better to put the reply BEFORE quoted text and this
 has nothing to do with M$. It is natural (to me) to put important
 part (my reply) before non-important part (quote)
 
 I understand your line of reasoning, but I think most people (if they
 haven't been corrupted by years of the other way) prefer a temporal
 ordering, i.e. old stuff at top, new stuff at bottom.
 
 There is nothing wrong with either order. Nobody is 'corrupted' by
 anything. Software as good as mutt should be neutral between these
 preferences, i.e. provides support for both styles.

It *does* support both styles
set sig_on_top
 
And even M$ knows it's bad to top post or fullquote:
http://www.jsiinc.com/newsgroup_document.htm

 This also makes an email easier to read if the quote is long.
 
 The quote should not be long, and the biggest reason why so many
 UNIX types hate M$ for promulgating the bottom quote style is that
 it encourages people to attach entire threads at the bottom of each
 message, guaranteeing that noone will ever read them.
 
 I do not see anything wrong with quoting the whole message. It is a good
 reference if the reader need to read it or it can be ignored easily. I
 do not think bandwidth is an issue too. The picture I sent yesterday
 would have cost the bandwidth of 1000 emails' quoted text. 
 
 I will write a vim function to insert my signature.

Fullquoting is extremely rude... especially on a discussion list, since
people looking through the archives have to look through mounds and
mounds of fullquoted messages. I would much rather have someone top post
than full quote, but I find that most of the time, the two go together.

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william   hq . newdream . net . 




Re: location of signature.

2002-09-04 Thread Bo Peng

'set sig_on_top' is all I need. Just as Mutt user's manual says: 'It is
strongly recommended that you do not set this variable unless you really
know what you are doing, and are prepared to take some heat from
netiquette guardians.', I was taught some lessons by the guardians. :-)

Thank you.
Bo




A couple of questions

2002-09-04 Thread Michael Herman

I have a couple of questions about a couple of things.

1.  I have a custom attribution string for responding to e-mails that
I send to people at work.  The attribution use ~t to show to whom
the previous, quoted e-mail was addressed.  However, if the e-mail
is addressed to more then one person, only the first person shows
up in the attribution string.  Is it possible to show all of the
users to whom the original e-mail was sent?

2.  When I receive an e-mail from someone at work that is a reply to
an earlier e-mail and I view it in the pager, where the other
senders MUA inserted \t (tab) as the quote/attribution character,
Mutt replaces the \t with a .  I would like to keep the \t
instead.  I have played with indent_string and quote_regexp.

3.  Smart_wrap=no doesn't seem to have an impact on the same e-mails.
Any ideas?

4.  Is there a way to see what hooks Mutt is applying to a folder or
e-mail in real-time?  It would help with the debugging.

5.  Is there a way to force Mutt to reload the .muttrc without quiting
and launching?

6.  Is there a way using a message-hook or send-hook to know when an
e-mail is new vs. being a reply or forward?  I'd like to only sign
e-mails that I am creating and not replies or forwards.

Thanks for your help.

-- 
Michael Herman



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Re: mutt and exchange

2002-09-04 Thread Mike Leone

* David Rock ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote this on 09 04, 02 at 18:05: 
 On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 04:27:19PM -0400, Gregory Seidman wrote:
  Michael Leone sez:

Just to be clear .. I did *not* say the following.

  
  Well, I guessed a couple of workgroups, which didn't work, but I don't know
  what workgroup I am in. Is there any way to tell from Windows XP
  Professional (which is where I have Outlook working)? I don't believe the
  machine itself is part of a workgroup, since I installed WinXP on it
  myself. I don't recall entering a workgroup anywhere at all.



Re: A couple of questions

2002-09-04 Thread Andre Berger


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Re: QP/base64 issues

2002-09-04 Thread David Ellement

On 020904, at 17:57:25, Jonathan Perkin wrote
 Basically, I want mail sent with foreign chars such as £ å é etc
 to *not* be sent as QP or base64.
 
 Unfortunately, no matter how I configure mutt, I cannot seem to
 get it to behave:
 
 unset allow_8bit, unset use_8bitmime:
   Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
   £ ends up coming out as ?
 unset allow_8bit, unset use_8bitmime:
   Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
   £ ends up coming out as ?

mutt is responsible for these being encoded, as expected since
$allow_8bit is unset.


 set allow_8bit, unset use_8bitmime:
   X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to base64 by gateg.kw.bbc.co.uk
   £ ends up coming out as ?
 set allow_8bit, set use_8bitmime:
   X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to base64 by gateg.kw.bbc.co.uk
   £ ends up coming out as ?

Here the conversion is being done by gateg.kw.bbc.co.uk.  Avoid having
your messages relayed by this host to prevent the conversion :-).

-- 
David Ellement



Re: A couple of questions

2002-09-04 Thread Michael Elkins

Michael Herman wrote:
 1.  I have a custom attribution string for responding to e-mails that
 I send to people at work.  The attribution use ~t to show to whom
 the previous, quoted e-mail was addressed.  However, if the e-mail
 is addressed to more then one person, only the first person shows
 up in the attribution string.  Is it possible to show all of the
 users to whom the original e-mail was sent?

You'll likely have to patch your Mutt to get this functionality.

 4.  Is there a way to see what hooks Mutt is applying to a folder or
 e-mail in real-time?  It would help with the debugging.

No.  Someone did propose a hook menu to show all of the hooks as
processed by Mutt, but not something that would show you all of the
hooks that were executed.

 6.  Is there a way using a message-hook or send-hook to know when an
 e-mail is new vs. being a reply or forward?  I'd like to only sign
 e-mails that I am creating and not replies or forwards.

Not in Mutt 1.4.  The development branch now has a reply-hook for this
purpose.



Re: QP/base64 issues

2002-09-04 Thread David Ellement

I noticed this in the headers to your message as received on my end:

X-Mime-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable
by inet34.rd.bbc.co.uk
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit
by hpsdlfsa.sdd.hp.com


So it seems your machine won't allow 8bit out, while mine won't allow qp
in.

-- 
David Ellement



Re: A couple of questions

2002-09-04 Thread David Ellement

On 020904, at 23:51:01, Andre Berger wrote
 * Michael Herman [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2002-09-04 23:06 -0400:
  5.  Is there a way to force Mutt to reload the .muttrc without quiting
  and launching?
 
 :source ~/.muttrc

I find it helpful to include the lines:

reset all
unhook *

at the beginning of my muttrc.

-- 
David Ellement



Re: QP/base64 issues

2002-09-04 Thread Aaron Schrab

At 21:05 -0700 04 Sep 2002, David Ellement [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I noticed this in the headers to your message as received on my end:
 
 X-Mime-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable
   by inet34.rd.bbc.co.uk

 So it seems your machine won't allow 8bit out,

It's more likely that the machine it's sending to doesn't announce that
8bit messages are acceptable, so that machine encodes it as 7 bit.

 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit
   by hpsdlfsa.sdd.hp.com

 while mine won't allow qp in.

Here it's probably not so much that it doesn't allow it, but that it
removes the encoding for the convenience of software that's too lame to
handle a simple standard that is over 10 years old.

-- 
Aaron Schrab [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://www.schrab.com/aaron/
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