Re: location of signature.
On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 07:49:40PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Top posting sends the message I am so much more important than all several hundred of you others on this list that I don't care how much of your time I waste. Bottom posting says I respect the others on this list and I will take a little extra time to make sure I don't waste the time of all the hundreds of others on this list. I disagree. While bottom posting is appropriate for most public forums (because discussions on these forums generally involve a point-by-point debate), there is a valid use for top posting. In particular, if someone sends you a long email (and it is necessary and/or appropriate to quote the email or a large portion of it), then replying at the top saves the reader the time of scrolling to the bottom to find the reply. Generally, this situation arises in personal emails much more so than it does in public forums. BTW, why did this post show up in my inbox rather than in my mutt folder? My procmailrc searches for ^TO.*mutt-users, but mutt-users doesn't seem to be anywhere in the headers (unless I missed it somehow). What part of the header should I be filtering on? I also notice that neither list-reply nor group-reply works with the post I am responding to; I had to paste mutt-users into the Cc: line to reply to the list. Any ideas why? Thanks, Paul
After-editing hook?
Hi, I'd like to write a hook that triggers after I've typed an email, matches on '~b attached.is.', and runs a script which prompts is big letters, Are you SURE you've attached it?. What's preventing me from implementing this quantum leap in mailer technology is the seeming lack of a hook to do things after one has edited a message, but before sending. I edit my headers in vim, so the send-hook doesn't get a chance to run. Perhaps because of this trigger-before-editing behaviour, it seems the ~b pattern isn't supported. Erm. So I guess this is a feature request :) Another scenario for such a hook is when the user wants to automatically set the From envelope header based on the To: address. This works with send-hooks, but again, not if you edit headers manually. --Jeff
Can't open PGP subprocess!
Howdy all, I am using mutt to acess an IMAP mailbox on a remote machine through a ssh tunnel. However every time I try to sign my mail I get Can't open PGP subprocess!: No such file or directory (errno = 2) I am not sure why this is happening. Both the server and the client have gpg. I can sign and encrypt documents on the client I just cannot do it in my imap mailbox. Thanks for the time. Fred -- ebitda: earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and accountants For a copy of my pgp public ket visit URL: http://norby.dyndns.org:8080
Re: location of signature.
On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 01:37:20AM -0400, Paul Brannan wrote: BTW, why did this post show up in my inbox rather than in my mutt folder? My procmailrc searches for ^TO.*mutt-users, but mutt-users doesn't seem to be anywhere in the headers (unless I missed it somehow). What part of the header should I be filtering on? I also notice that neither list-reply nor group-reply works with the post I am responding to; I had to paste mutt-users into the Cc: line to reply to the list. Any ideas why? I had the same problem, so procmail now filters on the Return-Path: line. Seems to work so far at least.. -- Sam Bashton Systems Administrator IP Support
Re: A question on forwarding
On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 08:25:40PM -0700, David Ellement wrote:
On 020905, at 18:41:18, Gary Johnson wrote
On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 05:57:24PM -0400, Michael Herman wrote:
Is there a way to forward e-mails in-line but any attachments are
attached to the forward?
For example, If I receive an e-mail with a spreadsheet and I would
like to forward it, the text of the original e-mail would be in-line
with my e-mail but the spreadsheet would be an attachment.
To forward messages that way, you need to go to the attachment menu
('v'), tag all the attachments ('t'), then forward them all using ';f'.
It doesn't seem like this does quite what Michael asked, if I understand
him correctly. He seems to want the in-line part of the original
message included his forwarded message, with the attachments appearing
as attachments to his message.
That's what I understood him to mean, and what I thought my solution
did. I've since done some more experimenting and I've discovered that
this doesn't work in all cases; it just happened to work in all the
cases I had previously tried.
Mutt only seems to allow all in-line or
all mime forwarding.
This seems to depend on the Content-Type of the attachment and whether
mutt is configured to decode that attachment type in-line when the
message is viewed in the pager. For example, if I forward a message
with a text/plain body and an image/gif attachment using the technique
I described previously, the body appears in the body of the forwarding
message and the image is attached as desired. However, if I forward a
message with the same body but with an application/excel attachment,
mutt includes both parts in the body of the forwarding message since my
mailcap has a rule for converting Excel attachments to text and my
muttrc includes auto_view application/excel. The only way I could
find to forward the Excel file as an attachment while forwarding the
body in-line was to remove the auto_view application/excel from my
muttrc.
With mime_forward set, if I tag the in-line part
of message along with attachments before forwarding, the in-line part
appears a another attachment, rather than within my message part; if I
don't tag the in-line part, it doesn't appear at all.
That's what I observe as well.
Have I missed something?
No, not unless I missed it, too. I just hadn't realized that my
solution didn't work in general. I can't think of any workaround for
this, either, short of restarting mutt with the auto_view commands
commented out.
Gary
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Re: After-editing hook?
Jeff Turner ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) muttered: I'd like to write a hook that triggers after I've typed an email, matches on '~b attached.is.', and runs a script which prompts is big letters, Are you SURE you've attached it?. Sorry can't help you with that. Another scenario for such a hook is when the user wants to automatically set the From envelope header based on the To: address. set alternates set reverse_name HTH, Michael -- If you want to travel around the world and be invited to speak at a lot of different places, just write a Unix operating system. (By Linus Torvalds) PGP-Key: http://www-stud.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~tatgeml/public.key
Re: mutt colors
On Wed, 04 Sep 2002 the mental interface of Elimar Riesebieter told: Hi all, one of my colorsets is color hdrdefault blackcyan I compiled the unpatched source from mutt.org against slang (--with-slang) and now it works. There is only one thing to solve: Can't use ACF now, ascii_chars are working. I`ll open a new thread. Thanks to Dave and Thomas. Ciao Elimar -- Talking much about oneself can also be a means to conceal oneself. -Friedrich Nietzsche msg30749/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mutt colors
On Fri, 06 Sep 2002 the mental interface of Elimar Riesebieter told: On Wed, 04 Sep 2002 the mental interface of Elimar Riesebieter told: Hi all, one of my colorsets is color hdrdefault blackcyan I compiled the unpatched source from mutt.org against slang (--with-slang) and now it works. There is only one thing to solve: Can't use ACF now, ascii_chars are working. I`ll open a new thread. ^ ACS sorry! Thanks to Dave and Thomas. Ciao Elimar -- Alles was viel bedacht wird ist bedenklich!;-) Friedrich Nietzsche msg30750/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
ACS and Slang
Hi all, I compiled unpatched sources from mutt.org against slang. This was to have a full background colored headerline! But now I can not view the pager with ACS trees. I have to switch to set ascii_chars in muttrc. The version of slang I am using is: ii slang1 1.4.5-1 ii slang1-utf8-dev 1.4.5-1 ii slang1a-utf81.4.5-1 Any advices? Ciao Elimar -- Obviously the human brain works like a computer. Since there are no stupid computers humans can't be stupid. There are just a few running with Windows or even CE ;-) msg30751/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ACS and Slang
On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: Hi all, I compiled unpatched sources from mutt.org against slang. This was to have a full background colored headerline! But now I can not view the pager with ACS trees. I have to switch to set ascii_chars in muttrc. my impression (haven't seen any comments that this is fixed yet) is that the slang UTF-8 package doesn't work for line-drawing characters. There were some patches to hardcode the corresponding UTF-8 strings which may make it usable. otoh, ncursesw does support Unicode/UTF-8 line-drawing... perhaps it would be simpler to just patch mutt to add the extra places to fill in the background. The version of slang I am using is: ii slang1 1.4.5-1 ii slang1-utf8-dev 1.4.5-1 ii slang1a-utf81.4.5-1 Any advices? Ciao Elimar -- T.E.Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
Re: ACS and Slang
On Fri, 06 Sep 2002 the mental interface of Thomas E. Dickey told: On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: Hi all, I compiled unpatched sources from mutt.org against slang. This was to have a full background colored headerline! But now I can not view the pager with ACS trees. I have to switch to set ascii_chars in muttrc. my impression (haven't seen any comments that this is fixed yet) is that the slang UTF-8 package doesn't work for line-drawing characters. There were some patches to hardcode the corresponding UTF-8 strings which may make it usable. otoh, ncursesw does support Unicode/UTF-8 line-drawing... perhaps it would be simpler to just patch mutt to add the extra places to fill in the background. [...] Is there a patch to add the extra places to fill in the background? Where Do I find it? And then compile against ncurses? Thx Elimar -- Numeric stability is probably not all that important when you're guessing;-) msg30753/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: After-editing hook?
Jeff -- BTW, you should use the @mutt.org address for the mutt-users list rather than the @gbnet address. Yes, the gbnet address leaks out now and again (I don't really know how, but think it might be digest-related), but we're trying to get it squashed once and for all. ...and then Jeff Turner said... % % Hi, Hi! % % I'd like to write a hook that triggers after I've typed an email, matches % on '~b attached.is.', and runs a script which prompts is big letters, % Are you SURE you've attached it?. That's a good idea, and one that would probably help a lot of people :-) Unfortunately, such a hook isn't around (yet -- you could always write a patch!). There are two ways to handle this. Since you edit headers, you could also add the attachment header; I believe it's X-Attached: and then the path to the file (I know it's come up on the list at some point in the past, so check the archives if nobody jumps forward with a definitive answer). If you didn't want to add it by hand (actually, even in that case I'd use a vim macro of some sort to mark where you are, jump to the top, start the header, open a file listing window to let you hunt down to the file, and then append the path to the file), you could re-bind your favorite exit function (:x or ZZ or whatever) to run a vim script to search for your pattern and add the header all automagically. The problem I see with the latter is that I don't think the header stays around, so if you edit and finish+attach and then edit again then the next finish will also +attach and I don't know how mutt would handle having the header specified twice. As I think my way through the paragraph above I think the best approach is some sort of attach mapping as in the first scenario. Hey, Sven, do you have this one already written? HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg30754/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: location of signature.
On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 10:10:31AM +0100, Sam Bashton wrote: On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 01:37:20AM -0400, Paul Brannan wrote: BTW, why did this post show up in my inbox rather than in my mutt folder? My procmailrc searches for ^TO.*mutt-users, but mutt-users doesn't seem to be anywhere in the headers (unless I missed it somehow). What part of the header should I be filtering on? I also notice that neither list-reply nor group-reply works with the post I am responding to; I had to paste mutt-users into the Cc: line to reply to the list. Any ideas why? I had the same problem, so procmail now filters on the Return-Path: line. Seems to work so far at least.. I have been using : * ^Sender.*mutt.org And it hasn't missed any mutt emails (yet). This puts emails from all mutt lists in the same folder. I prefer to filter on X-List-ID but the mutt list doesn't provide this header. -- Jeff Kinz, Director, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. [EMAIL PROTECTED] copyright 1995-2002. Use restricted to non-UCE uses. Any other use is an acceptance of the offer at http://www.ultranet.com/~jkinz/policy.html. [EMAIL PROTECTED] copyright 2002. Use is restricted. Any use is an acceptance of the offer at http://users.rcn.com/jkinz/policy.html. (¬_-o) //\ eLviintuaxbilse/\\ V_/_ _\_V
Re: location of signature.
Paul, et al -- ...and then Paul Brannan said... % % On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 07:49:40PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % Top posting sends the message I am so much more important than all ... % Bottom posting says I respect the others on this list and I will take a ... % % I disagree. While bottom posting is appropriate for most public forums % (because discussions on these forums generally involve a point-by-point % debate), there is a valid use for top posting. In particular, if % someone sends you a long email (and it is necessary and/or appropriate % to quote the email or a large portion of it), then replying at the top % saves the reader the time of scrolling to the bottom to find the reply. I tried so hard to stay out of this debate... *sigh* I'm not terribly good at being politely objective; there's a lot of Dogbert in me, too. If you can get what you need from the reply at the top, then why on earth do you need to send back the original anyway? Someone sent it and you got it, so everyone has it, and then you send your single reply that doesn't have to be associated contextually so just don't send the quote. % ... % BTW, why did this post show up in my inbox rather than in my mutt As far as I can tell, Bo's direct reply was also BCCd to mutt-users. The message passed thru the server but it wasn't publicly addressed to the list. I'm not even going to begin to wonder why; that's a whole new can of worms. Of course, without any list addressing, List-Reply and the like can't know that you mean for a reply to go back to a mailing list and act accordingly. HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg30756/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mutt and exchange
Greg -- ...and then Gregory Seidman said... % ... % When I run mutt -f imap://server/ it asks for my username and password, % then tells me that the login failed. The username and password are right, I've seen this once or twice, and not even with an Exchange server (ick). My problem was that I had a folder-hook that pushed and mucked up my password, so my initial login attempt always failed. What if you mutt -f /dev/null and then c imap://username@server/ to avoid any pushing or other hook nonsense? If that works, then you can track down what your muttrc is doing and either kill it or make sure it doesn't apply to this folder. HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg30757/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ACS and Slang
On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: On Fri, 06 Sep 2002 the mental interface of Thomas E. Dickey told: otoh, ncursesw does support Unicode/UTF-8 line-drawing... perhaps it would be simpler to just patch mutt to add the extra places to fill in the background. [...] Is there a patch to add the extra places to fill in the background? Where Do I find it? I haven't made one. Perhaps it's about time. This topic comes up occasionally, and since I'm in the process of checking the pre-release, it's a good idea to work on this end of things. And then compile against ncurses? actually ncursesw, which is built from current source with a different configure option. Debian has a package built from one of the development snapshots earlier this year - close enough to see most of the changes I've made for ACS. -- T.E.Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
Re: location of signature.
On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 01:37:20AM -0400, Paul Brannan wrote: On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 07:49:40PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Top posting sends the message I am so much more important than all several hundred of you others on this list that I don't care how much of your time I waste. Bottom posting says I respect the others on this list and I will take a little extra time to make sure I don't waste the time of all the hundreds of others on this list. I disagree. While bottom posting is appropriate for most public forums (because discussions on these forums generally involve a point-by-point debate), there is a valid use for top posting. In particular, if someone sends you a long email (and it is necessary and/or appropriate to quote the email or a large portion of it), then replying at the top saves the reader the time of scrolling to the bottom to find the reply. Generally, this situation arises in personal emails much more so than it does in public forums. Two Points - first My discussion was only about posting to lists and newsgroups, not personal emails (where anything goes, top post away:)). Second - Even on a long email top posting is problematic for the same reasons already given. Thats why you have an editor. Delete the extraneous portions of the long email and include only the portions being replied to. If the result is still long then it at least has all of the necessary context. To do otherwise is taking the easy way out. Which is no great sin actually. See the amazing egress! BTW, why did this post show up in my inbox rather than in my mutt folder? My procmailrc searches for ^TO.*mutt-users, but mutt-users doesn't seem to be anywhere in the headers (unless I missed it somehow). What part of the header should I be filtering on? I also notice that neither list-reply nor group-reply works with the post I am responding to; I had to paste mutt-users into the Cc: line to reply to the list. Any ideas why? List reply ? there's a LIST REPLY ? Time for more RTM ! (I'm afraid Elm is still programmed into my fingers, just like vi. :) -- Jeff Kinz, Director, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. [EMAIL PROTECTED] copyright 1995-2002. Use restricted to non-UCE uses. Any other use is an acceptance of the offer at http://www.ultranet.com/~jkinz/policy.html. [EMAIL PROTECTED] copyright 2002. Use is restricted. Any use is an acceptance of the offer at http://users.rcn.com/jkinz/policy.html. (¬_-o) //\ eLviintuaxbilse/\\ V_/_ _\_V
Re: A couple of questions
Michael -- ...and then Michael Herman said... % % I have a couple of questions about a couple of things. You listed more than a couple. Can we charge you extra? :-) I'm only going to answer a couple until you pay the extra baggage fee ;-) % ... % 2. When I receive an e-mail from someone at work that is a reply to % an earlier e-mail and I view it in the pager, where the other % senders MUA inserted \t (tab) as the quote/attribution character, % Mutt replaces the \t with a . I would like to keep the \t % instead. I have played with indent_string and quote_regexp. This has been asserted before, and you state it here with confidence, but I still don't believe it. Can you verify that a test message that meets these requirements has only one part, that piping it through less shows an absence of chars, and that using the builtin pager to read it replaces tabs with chars? mutt does not modify the message by default; if anything does, it's an external pager or a display_hook script. Once you have such a message in hand, please gzip it and forward it to the list along with screen clips so that we can attempt to duplicate the behavior and track this down. % % 3. Smart_wrap=no doesn't seem to have an impact on the same e-mails. % Any ideas? Yes. Your correspondents have sent multi-part HTML and text emails. Don't get me started :-) HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg30760/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
top-post supports bad software (was: location of signature.)
* Paul Brannan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-09-06 09:03]: if someone sends you a long email (and it is necessary and/or appropriate to quote the email or a large portion of it), then replying at the top saves the reader the time of scrolling to the bottom to find the reply. so you top-post because your recipient is using a shitty mailer or because he does not know how to skip past the quoted text? well, this indeed is supporting bad software and silly users! i would not give either of them any support, especially not when posting to a mailing list; it just makes the archive useless. anyway, all people who are using bad mailers deserve them. so there. Generally, this situation arises in personal emails much more so than it does in public forums. maybe for you, dear. BTW, why did this post show up in my inbox rather than in my mutt folder? My procmailrc searches for ^TO.*mutt-users.. please explain why you use .* here. but mutt-users doesn't seem to be anywhere in the headers (unless I missed it somehow). What part of the header should I be filtering on? using TO is fine. I also notice that neither list-reply nor group-reply works with the post I am responding to; I had to paste mutt-users into the Cc: line to reply to the list. Any ideas why? incorrect setup. Sven
Re: A couple of questions
On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 07:46:28AM -0400, David T-G wrote: Michael -- ...and then Michael Herman said... % % I have a couple of questions about a couple of things. You listed more than a couple. Can we charge you extra? :-) I'm only going to answer a couple until you pay the extra baggage fee ;-) To whom do I make out the check? :-) Once you have such a message in hand, please gzip it and forward it to the list along with screen clips so that we can attempt to duplicate the behavior and track this down. Ok. This will be a silly question but how does one do a screen snapshot in Linux? I haven't had the need yet. % % 3. Smart_wrap=no doesn't seem to have an impact on the same e-mails. % Any ideas? Yes. Your correspondents have sent multi-part HTML and text emails. Don't get me started :-) This could very well be. They are all using Outlook. TIA. -- Michael Herman msg30762/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
rtfm dammit (was: location of signature.)
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-09-06 11:52]: I also notice that neither list-reply nor group-reply works with the post I am responding to; I had to paste mutt-users into the Cc: line to reply to the list. Any ideas why? List reply ? there's a LIST REPLY ? Time for more RTM ! argh! (I'm afraid Elm is still programmed into my fingers, just like vi. :) and apparently the nine line signature with the trailing spaces is, too... so, fix your From+MID+sig and upgrade to mutt 1.4. or just go back to elm. some people should stay with elm, pine, whatever so you can recognize and filter them by the User-Agent header line. them using mutt just gives a false impression... *hrmpf* Sven [ntiboa]
do NOT attach screen shots to this list! (was: A couple of questions)
* David Thorburn-Gundlach [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-09-06]: Can you verify that a test message that meets these requirements .. Once you have such a message in hand, please gzip it and forward it to the list along with screen clips ... argh! NO! do *not* attach screen clips to your message. repeat: do NOT! instead, upload them to some web server and include their addresses. we do not need tons of data in the list archive to weed through, thankyouverymuch. http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mutt/mail.php3#etiquette Sven
Re: ACS and Slang
On Fri, 06 Sep 2002 the mental interface of Thomas E. Dickey told: On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: On Fri, 06 Sep 2002 the mental interface of Thomas E. Dickey told: otoh, ncursesw does support Unicode/UTF-8 line-drawing... perhaps it would be simpler to just patch mutt to add the extra places to fill in the background. [...] Is there a patch to add the extra places to fill in the background? Where Do I find it? I haven't made one. Perhaps it's about time. This topic comes up occasionally, and since I'm in the process of checking the pre-release, it's a good idea to work on this end of things. [...] YEP. But the mutt developers have to put this into the sources. It would be more usefull to act with an option like set hdr_bkgdcolor. So it's in the users choise to configure there headers as they want to. I am not a programmer. So how to tell this wish? A mail to mutt-dev? Ciao Elimar -- The way to source is always uphill! -unknown- msg30765/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: display_filter + sed - tabs to quotes (was: A couple of questions)
* Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-09-05 20:47]:
* darren chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-09-05 15:37]:
Look at display_filter, section 6.3.36 in the manual
(http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-6.html#display_filter).
Set it to a script that does something like:
cat | sed -e s/^\t/ /g
uh. UUCA.
D'oh!
if using sed then stuff all the changes into
a file and let sed use for the filtering:
Yes, that's what I said (sed?): Set it [display_filter] to a script...
$ grep display_filter ~/.muttrc
set display_filter=/path/sed -f mutt.sed
$ cat mutt.sed
s/^\t/ /
Yep:
$ grep display_filter ~/.mutt/muttrc
set display_filter=~/.mutt/bin/display-filter
$ cat ~/.mutt/bin/display-filter
#!/usr/bin/sed -f
s/[!]\{2,\}/!/g
s/[?]\{2,\}/?/g
s/^--$/--\ /g
s/^\ --$/--\ /g
s/^[_]\{30,\}$/--\ /g
I'll take the UUCA for my example, though. :)
(darren)
--
Always keep a song in your heart -- it's like karaoke for the
voices in your head.
-- Robert Fulton Abernethy
screen shots with screen or gimp (was: A couple of questions)
* Michael Herman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-09-06 12:06]: % I have a couple of questions about a couple of things. You listed more than a couple. Can we charge you extra? I'm only going to answer a couple until you pay the extra baggage fee ;-) To whom do I make out the check? :-) send it to the FSF (Free Software Foundation). see also: http://donate.fsf.org/ .. how does one do a screen snapshot in Linux? I haven't had the need yet. if you just need a *textual* screenshot from mutt then start screen and start mutt inside. use CTRL-A h to make a hardcopy of the current window. the result will then be in the file $HOME/hardcopy.N where N is the Number of the window. As for making a snapshot of a terminal with all pixels you could use xv or gimp. example: http://www.guckes.net/mutt/pics/screenshot.2002-09-05.png this shows my current desktop with the screen session (mutt is in window #0 mail), netscape 4.77 showing the FSF home page, and with the window of TheGimp while taking the screenshot. Select Xtns (extensions) from the menu, then Screen Shot - and in the following Grab dialog you can then select from taking a shot from a window (with and without decorations) or the whole screen (even after some seconds delay). enjoy! Sven -- Sven Guckes http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mutt/setup.html Mutt setup from scratch, Sven's sample setup; attribution, limit, list vs subscribe, histories, mailcap, POP, hooks, use of external pagers, troubleshooting, adding header lines, from Mozilla to Mutt.
Re: Can't open PGP subprocess!
* Frederick Grim [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-09-06 09:19]: I am using mutt to acess an IMAP mailbox on a remote machine through a ssh tunnel. However every time I try to sign my mail I get Can't open PGP subprocess!: No such file or directory (errno = 2) I am not sure why this is happening. Both the server and the client have gpg. I can sign and encrypt documents on the client I just cannot do it in my imap mailbox. that's probably because the *local* pgp cannot check a *remote* message? sign and encryption takes place at the local machine on a local message. Sven [still not using IMAP]
Re: ACS and Slang
On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: On Fri, 06 Sep 2002 the mental interface of Thomas E. Dickey told: I haven't made one. Perhaps it's about time. This topic comes up occasionally, and since I'm in the process of checking the pre-release, it's a good idea to work on this end of things. [...] YEP. But the mutt developers have to put this into the sources. It would be more usefull to act with an option like set hdr_bkgdcolor. So it's in the users choise to configure there headers as they want to. I am not a programmer. So how to tell this wish? A mail to mutt-dev? I'll post it to mutt-dev. (I've pointed out more than once that my previous patches were ignored, and during this year have been told it shouldn't happen again ;-) -- T.E.Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
Re: ACS and Slang
Thomas E. Dickey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: my impression (haven't seen any comments that this is fixed yet) is that the slang UTF-8 package doesn't work for line-drawing characters. There were some patches to hardcode the corresponding UTF-8 strings which may make it usable. Yeah, the tricky thing is getting the same slang library to DTRT when in both unicode and non-unicode locales. Bill
Re: Ctrl-L after finding signed mail
On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 02:21:58AM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote: um, how exactly do you go through a signed message? do you view the message with display-message? Yes. do you have pgp_verify_sig set? Yes. The screen goes offbalance when gpg is invoked and returns something like: not a valid key ID 67%) PGP signature could NOT be verified. I know I'm not giving very good information, but it's hard to put it in words. If there is any additional info I can give to help undestand the problem, please ask. Thanks! Mail-Followup-To: Pedro Alves [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mutt Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] are you not susbcribed to the list? (see sig) Yes I am. I don't understand what you meant with the sig, sorry :/ -- Pedro Miguel G. Alves [EMAIL PROTECTED] THINK - Tecnologias de Informação www.think.pt Tel: +351 21 412 56 56 Av. José Gomes Ferreira Fax: +351 21 412 56 57 nº 13 1495-139 ALGÉS
Re: ACS and Slang
On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Bill Nottingham wrote: Thomas E. Dickey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: my impression (haven't seen any comments that this is fixed yet) is that the slang UTF-8 package doesn't work for line-drawing characters. There were some patches to hardcode the corresponding UTF-8 strings which may make it usable. Yeah, the tricky thing is getting the same slang library to DTRT when in both unicode and non-unicode locales. hmm - I haven't seen any recent comments. What I did recall was something to the effect that slang wasn't maintaining a table that would let the application tell what the intended effect of the line-drawing characters would be. In (n)curses, that's the acs_map[]. I think I have that sort of thing working reasonably well in current ncurses (until someone comes along and tells it why not ;-). It matches the observed behavior of Tru64 curses, anyway... -- T.E.Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
Re: Ctrl-L after finding signed mail
* Pedro Alves [EMAIL PROTECTED] [06-09-2002 16:56]: On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 02:21:58AM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote: Mail-Followup-To: Pedro Alves [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mutt Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] are you not susbcribed to the list? (see sig) Yes I am. I don't understand what you meant with the sig, sorry :/ How can you not? Check the URL, the meaning of _knowing_ a list and _being subscribed_ to a list are explained there. Bottom line: add subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] to your .muttrc and we'll stop wining ;) Probably. -- René Clerc - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Ik ben niet droknen. -Rachel Pieterse msg30773/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
gbnet.net [was Re: After-editing hook?]
On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 04:28:27AM -0700, David T-G wrote: Jeff -- BTW, you should use the @mutt.org address for the mutt-users list rather than the @gbnet address. Yes, the gbnet address leaks out now and again (I don't really know how, but think it might be digest-related), but we're trying to get it squashed once and for all. I think I sent my post to gbnet.net because once I subscribed, the welcome message mentioned [EMAIL PROTECTED], and so I just sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED], since I'm used to majordomo-run lists. Someone might want to tweak the welcome message to remove all references to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you truly want to hide that domain name. Brian -- Brian Grayson, SysPerf (System Performance, Modeling, and Simulation) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Somerset Design Center Motorola Austin, TX
Re: A question on forwarding
On 020906, at 02:11:08, Gary Johnson wrote [...] However, if I forward a message with the same body but with an application/excel attachment, mutt includes both parts in the body of the forwarding message since my mailcap has a rule for converting Excel attachments to text and my muttrc includes auto_view application/excel. Okay, I was testing using pdf attachments, and I have an auto_view line for pdf files. [...] The only way I could find to forward the Excel file as an attachment while forwarding the body in-line was to remove the auto_view application/excel from my muttrc. Is there any reason for auto_view to be active in the attachments menu? -- David Ellement
Re: Mutt guessing wrong encoding for outgoing PDFs?
I'm attaching three files:
rep1k (quoted -- this is what came up). This is the first 1K
of the PDF that misbehaved, and it decided wrong.
rep.5k (8bit -- this is what came up, so it guessed right).
This is only the first 512 bytes of the PDF.
rep1k, forced to use base64 encoding, so that you can see
what's _really_ in there, and so you can play around yourself.
Let me know if you need more info!
Also, for my own education, which file contains the guessing
code?
Thanks!
Brian
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Brian Grayson, SysPerf (System Performance, Modeling, and Simulation)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Motorola
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Re: A question on forwarding
On 09/05/02 18:41 -0700, Gary Johnson wrote:
To forward messages that way, you need to go to the attachment menu
('v'), tag all the attachments ('t'), then forward them all using ';f'.
Doesn't esc e simply do what is wanted? I tried it with an excel
spreadsheet and it seems to work just fine.
John
Re: rtfm dammit
On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 02:03:00PM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-09-06 11:52]: List reply ? there's a LIST REPLY ? Time for more RTM ! argh! hee hee, you are SO easy to tweak! :) (I'm afraid Elm is still programmed into my fingers, just like vi. :) and apparently the nine line signature with the trailing spaces is, too... Actually my sig is at least ELEVEN lines, but hey, whose counting ? ( FYI - The last part of the sig has a word riddle in it) so, fix your From+MID+sig and upgrade to mutt 1.4. or just go back to elm. No Thanks, I'm happy with my from line,. I've used it that way for almost twenty years. As for upgrading to a newer version of mutt - yeah - whenever I upgrade my Linux distro I'll be happy to. Otherwise, I have a life with more than enough to do writing and promoting Open Source software instead of trying to turn people off from it. some people should stay with elm, pine, whatever so you can recognize and filter them by the User-Agent header line. them using mutt just gives a false impression... *hrmpf* Sven [ntiboa] Someday Sven will realize that mutt is a tool, not a religion. (maybe.. ) (Now where did I put my flameproof suit / ) -- Jeff Kinz, Director, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. [EMAIL PROTECTED] copyright 1995-2002. Use restricted to non-UCE uses. Any other use is an acceptance of the offer at http://www.ultranet.com/~jkinz/policy.html. [EMAIL PROTECTED] copyright 2002. Use is restricted. Any use is an acceptance of the offer at http://users.rcn.com/jkinz/policy.html. (¬_-o) //\ eLviintuaxbilse/\\ V_/_ _\_V
Re: rtfm dammit
On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 02:30:12PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someday Sven will realize that mutt is a tool, not a religion. (maybe.. ) (Now where did I put my flameproof suit / ) Oh, I doubt it. We'll probably have self-appointed net cops with us as long as there's a net. Just watch them play in their sandbox and remember it's all part of the show. Works for me. dan -- Dan Resleremail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computer Science Dept. Virginia Commonwealth University Richmond, VA 23284-3068 USA
Re: Mutt guessing wrong encoding for outgoing PDFs?
Hm. I have 1.2.5 source locally, and it looks like in
mutt_set_encoding() in sendlib.c, the following logic may be
faulty:
static void mutt_set_encoding (BODY *b, CONTENT *info)
{
if (b-type == TYPETEXT)
{
if (info-lobin || info-linemax 990 || (info-from
option (OPTENCODEFROM)))
b-encoding = ENCQUOTEDPRINTABLE;
else if (info-hibin)
b-encoding = option (OPTALLOW8BIT) ?
ENC8BIT : ENCQUOTEDPRINTABLE;
else
b-encoding = ENC7BIT;
}
...
}
Note that if hibin is greater than zero, but lobin is also
greater than zero, we'll use quoted-printable.
Shouldn't it be something more like:
if (info-hibin) {
b-encoding = option (OPTALLOW8BIT) ? ENC8BIT : ENCQUOTEDPRINTABLE;
} else if (info-lobin || info-linemax 990 ||
(info-from option (OPTENCODEFROM)))
{
b-encoding = ENCQUOTEDPRINTABLE;
}
else
b-encoding = ENC7BIT;
...
That is, if we have 8-bit characters, don't even consider
quoted unless OPTALLOW8BIT is false.
Brian
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Somerset Design Center
Motorola
Austin, TX
colors and replying
1. With mutt 1.4, I get white letters and black background. I had to set COLORFGBG=default;default for the behaviour of mutt 1.2. Only 8 colors are supported by mutt. Using only those 8 colors hardly enhances legibility, are there any plans to enhance this functionality? 2. Why not include only tagged attachment when replying, just as in case of forwarding? C.S.
Re: location of signature.
On Fri, 06 Sep 2002, Paul Brannan wrote: folder? My procmailrc searches for ^TO.*mutt-users, but mutt-users doesn't seem to be anywhere in the headers (unless I missed it somehow). Try this: :0: * ^TO_mutt-users@mutt\.org mutt :0: * ^TO_mutt-users@gbnet\.net mutt :0: * ^TO_mutt-announce@mutt\.org mutt Oliver -- ... don't touch the bang-bang fruit
Re: procmail filerting for mutt lists
* Oliver Fuchs [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-09-06 20:09]: Try this: :0: * ^TO_mutt-users@mutt\.org mutt :0: * ^TO_mutt-users@gbnet\.net mutt :0: * ^TO_mutt-announce@mutt\.org mutt or this: :0: * ^TO_mutt-(announce|users)@(mutt\.org|gbnet\.net) mutt Sven
Re: procmail filerting for mutt lists
On Fri, 06 Sep 2002, Sven Guckes wrote: * Oliver Fuchs [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-09-06 20:09]: Try this: :0: * ^TO_mutt-users@mutt\.org mutt :0: * ^TO_mutt-users@gbnet\.net mutt :0: * ^TO_mutt-announce@mutt\.org mutt or this: :0: * ^TO_mutt-(announce|users)@(mutt\.org|gbnet\.net) mutt Sven but also this in .muttrc: set followup_to=yes set reply_to=ask-yes lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oliver -- ... don't touch the bang-bang fruit
Re: procmail filerting for mutt lists
On Fri, 06 Sep 2002 the mental interface of Oliver Fuchs told: On Fri, 06 Sep 2002, Sven Guckes wrote: [...] or this: :0: * ^TO_mutt-(announce|users)(mutt\.org|gbnet\.net) mutt Sven but also this in .muttrc: set followup_to=yes ^^^ the default setting set reply_to=ask-yes ^^^ the default setting [...] We don`t have to repeat the default settings of mutt in muttrc ;-) Ciao Elimar -- Obviously the human brain works like a computer. Since there are no stupid computers humans can't be stupid. There are just a few running with Windows or even CE ;-) msg30785/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: procmail filerting for mutt lists
On Sat, 07 Sep 2002, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: On Fri, 06 Sep 2002 the mental interface of Oliver Fuchs told: On Fri, 06 Sep 2002, Sven Guckes wrote: [...] or this: :0: * ^TO_mutt-(announce|users)(mutt\.org|gbnet\.net) mutt Sven but also this in .muttrc: set followup_to=yes ^^^ the default setting set reply_to=ask-yes ^^^ the default setting [...] We don`t have to repeat the default settings of mutt in muttrc ;-) Absolutely ... who wrote this? Banned from the list. No, banned from the pubs. Oliver -- ... don't touch the bang-bang fruit
Re: procmail filerting for mutt lists
On Sat, 07 Sep 2002 the mental interface of Oliver Fuchs told: [...] Absolutely ... who wrote this? Banned from the list. No, banned from the pubs. Skoal! Elimar -- Planung: Ersatz des Zufalls durch den Irrtum. -unknown- msg30787/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: location of signature.
At 1:37 AM EDT on September 6 Paul Brannan sent off: On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 07:49:40PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree. While bottom posting is appropriate for most public forums (because discussions on these forums generally involve a point-by-point debate), there is a valid use for top posting. In particular, if someone sends you a long email (and it is necessary and/or appropriate to quote the email or a large portion of it), then replying at the top saves the reader the time of scrolling to the bottom to find the reply. Generally, this situation arises in personal emails much more so than it does in public forums. I don't see how that's valid for replies, but I sometimes use it for *forwards*. i.e. I am passing this on to you because bla bla bla... - Content of forwarded message -- instead of putting bla bla bla down here where they won't see it right away. -- Diplomacy is the art of letting the other party have things your way. - Daniele Vare Robert I. Reid | PGP/GPG Keys: http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/pgp.html
mixmaster
More out of curiosity than anything, does anyone know the status of mixmaster and it's ability to work within mutt? I've been using mutt on a Red Hat box, and just recently switched over to Debian. The default apt-get for mutt had mixmaster as a choice up with the headers, so I started trying to figure it out. After many unsuccessful attempts, I went back and read the mutt archives and found that getting it to work easily is very much version dependent. Have there been any new developments, either on the mutt or mixmaster side? I wish the default Debian installation of Mutt didn't have mixmaster compiled in, as I've already wasted too much time on this. :-) Kevin -- Kevin Coyner mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG key: 1024D/8CE11941 msg30789/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: top-post supports bad software (was: location of signature.)
* Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-09-06 13:54 +0200]:
* Paul Brannan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-09-06 09:03]:
What part of the header should I be filtering on?
using TO is fine.
In my experience, it's best to find a header set by the list processing
software and filter on that header. This approach gives the best
sorting, in that everything sent through the list goes to the list mailbox
while nothing else does. It properly handles cases where the list has
been BCCed as well as times when both you and the list are CCed.[0]
(i.e. one copy will go to the list mailbox while the other goes into your
inbox.)
My .procmailrc says:
:0:
* ^Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mutt-users
Usually, I prefer to filter on either the Mailing-List: or List-ID:
header, But this mailing list doesn't seem to set either of those.
[0] Debating the merits of MUAs (and, sometimes, just users) that do this
improperly is a topic for another time.
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--- --
while(1){
sleep (rand 1800);
`who -q` =~ /(.*)/;
@lusers = split ' ', $1;
`wall spin! spin! spin! the wheel of justice`;
$winner = $lusers[(rand @lusers)];
`echo you win! | write $winner`;
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Re: Mutt guessing wrong encoding for outgoing PDFs?
Brian Grayson wrote: Hm. I have 1.2.5 source locally, and it looks like in mutt_set_encoding() in sendlib.c, the following logic may be faulty: I just noticed that you are using an extremely ancient version of Mutt (0.95). Please try using Mutt 1.4, which is the current stable version. The logic for picking the CTE is much more complex now, and it should address your issue.
