Re: [Feature request] mailbox aliases and internal filtering
* Vincent Lefevre [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-07-01 08:32:05 +0200]: Then, how about being able to do internal filtering? For instance, using mailboxes the_mailbox#pattern1 mailboxes the_mailbox#pattern2 mailboxes the_mailbox#pattern3 mailboxes the_mailbox#pattern4 When opening the corresponding physical mailbox the_mailbox, Mutt would automatically do a limit on the pattern. An alias could be used instead of the full mailbox form the_mailbox#pattern1, and so on. I've been doing this sort of thing for a long time using links in the filesystem and mutt's `folder-hook'. See URL:http://www.davep.org/mutt/muttrc/folder-hooks.html and look at the last set of hooks. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: vi - undo and redo (elvis,nvi,vile,vim)
* Cameron Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-05-30 14:20:15 +1000]: | PS: this *is* the vi mailing list, right? Of course. We're at least safe from Emacs users - all the hard core ones read their email inside emacs. It's possible to be a hard core emacs user and read your email in mutt, in emacs. . o O ( M-x term RET is your friend. ) -- Dave Pearson: | lbdb.el - LBDB interface. http://www.davep.org/ | sawfish.el - Sawfish mode. Emacs: | uptimes.el - Record emacs uptimes. http://www.davep.org/emacs/ | quickurl.el - Recall lists of URLs.
Re: [Announce] mutt-1.4 is out.
* Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-05-30 10:27:39 +0100]: The problem you describe is more likely caused by a bad locale or charset setting. That's it. On this box I've not got anything special set regarding locale: , | davep@hagbard:/usr/local/src/mutt-1.4$ locale | LANG=POSIX | LC_CTYPE=POSIX | LC_NUMERIC=POSIX | LC_TIME=POSIX | LC_COLLATE=POSIX | LC_MONETARY=POSIX | LC_MESSAGES=POSIX | LC_ALL= ` if I prefix the call to mutt with something like LANG=en_GB mutt correctly displays the GBP signs. Thanks for the pointer. The problem with ICONV_CONST might be solved by Lars Hecking's noiconv patch. It did. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: aliases and address book
* Mike Arrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-05-30 08:50:28 -0400]: I'm curious if anyone has a good solution for using Mutt's aliasing feature as a good address book (email addr only). The problem I'm running into is that I couldn't possibly come up with a one word nickname for all 100 or so people I know. [SNIP] How about, instead of using aliases, you use mutt's address query facility (see section 4.5 of the manual)? Then, all you need do is type in the part of their name that you can remember and hit the query key. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: [Announce] mutt-1.4 is out.
* Thomas Roessler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-05-29 11:49:46 +0200]: - Mutt now uses the iconv interface for character set conversions. This means that you need either a very modern libc, or Bruno Haible's libiconv, which is available from http://www.gnu.org/software/libiconv/. What sort of version numbers count as very modern? I tried building mutt on my system as is (RedHat 6.2, lots of updates, glibc 2.1.3 (-23 is the rpm), I'm assuming that this isn't very modern) and it built without incident but I was unable to get it to correctly display any non-ASCII messages. For example, I sent myself a test email with a handful of GBP signs in it and, instead of displaying them (as 1.2.5i does), it displayed \some-number-I-can't-recall. Reading up on iconv and charset oriented stuff in the manual didn't seem to offer any suggestions on what I was doing wrong. I then downloaded libiconv, built it and installed it (in /usr/local/...). I then started again, from scratch, with mutt, this time ensuring that I'd added --with-iconv=/usr/local on the configure command line. Building mutt now dies instead: , | gcc -DPKGDATADIR=\/usr/local/share/mutt\ -DSYSCONFDIR=\/usr/local/etc\ | -DBINDIR=\/usr/local/bin\ -DMUTTLOCALEDIR=\/usr/local/share/locale\ | -DHAVE_CONFIG_H=1 -I. -I. -Iintl -I/usr/include/slang -I/usr/local/include | -I./intl -I/usr/local/include -Wall -pedantic -g -O2 -c patchlist.c | | In file included from mutt.h:51, | from patchlist.c:5: | charset.h:39: parse error before `ICONV_CONST' ` Any pointers on what I'm missing here? -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: Wanted mutt-mode for Emacs
* Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-05-17 10:28:39 -0400]: On 17/05/02 Dave Pearson did speaketh: URL:http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/mutt/ is a mail editing mode that has mutt in mind. Mutt mode is no longer maintained to my knowledge. Look for post-mode, which is based on mutt-mode. Have a guess at what's on the end of the above URL. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: Announcing an Emacs mode for mutt configuration files
* Gregor Zattler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-19 20:30:02 +0200]: Hi Dave, * Dave Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Fre 19 Apr 2002 10:37:54 GMT]: [...] I use: , | ;;; muttrc-mode.el --- Major mode to edit muttrc under Emacs | | ;;; Copyright (C) 2000 Laurent Pelecq | ;;; | ;;; Author: Laurent Pelecq [EMAIL PROTECTED] ` but, annoyingly, I can't remember where I got it from and I can't locate it in the ELL or via Google. Could you please post it? It's a little too big to be sending to the list IMO. I'll send a copy direct to you. For the benefit of others on the list, I've had an email from the author to say that a new version will be available in the next day or so (hopefully announced here). -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: Announcing an Emacs mode for mutt configuration files
* Rob Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-18 19:32:52 -0400]: All it does is syntax highlighting, and not even perfectly, but I like it. It's especially handy if like me you installed jed's muttrc.sl but use emacs far more often than jed. I use: , | davep@hagbard:~$ head -7 /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/muttrc-mode.el | ;;; muttrc-mode.el --- Major mode to edit muttrc under Emacs | | ;;; Copyright (C) 2000 Laurent Pelecq | ;;; | ;;; Author: Laurent Pelecq [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ;;; | ;;; $Id: muttrc-mode.el,v 2.12 2000/11/29 01:18:21 laurent Exp $ ` but, annoyingly, I can't remember where I got it from and I can't locate it in the ELL or via Google. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: using mutt like OE - KILL
* Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-18 22:42:51 +0200]: -- Jr arrq xvyysvyrf gung npghnyyl *xvyy*! Including killing those who don't use proper sig dashes, presumably? -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: Sending mail to a recipient
* Robert Conde [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-10 00:10:06 -0400]: Is there a site that explains how to use this tool in depth. I'd especially like it to grab addresses from my Palm Pilot. I tried http://www.spinnaker.de/lbdb, but I didn't find it very helpful. [I'm the author of the palm module for lbdb] What problems are you having getting the palm side of lbdb working? What did you do to try and use it? -- Dave Pearson: | lbdb.el - LBDB interface. http://www.davep.org/ | sawfish.el - Sawfish mode. Emacs: | uptimes.el - Record emacs uptimes. http://www.davep.org/emacs/ | quickurl.el - Recall lists of URLs.
Re: display proces id - format string %$
* Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-03 21:03:16 +0200]: * Dave Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-03 15:43]: set status_format=Hello, I am mutt and my PID is `echo $PPID` and variations on that theme? have you tried that? i dont think so. ;-) Then you think wrong. I don't post things I've not tried. You're welcome to think thru why I mentioned variations on that theme. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: `echo $PPID` - not with Bourne Shell!
* Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-04 16:34:49 +0200]: I suppose you are using a non-bourne shell as EXECSHELL, are you? it might be /bin/sh on your system - but it is probably linked to bash? Yes, I'm using bash. so my question is - have you tried accessing PPID with /bin/sh on a system which uses *the* Bounce Shell? Congratulations, you've figured out the variations on a theme part. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: display proces id (Re: to GNU ps or not to GNU ps)
* Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-03 16:33:45 +0200]: can mutt display its own process id? set status_format=Hello, I am mutt and my PID is `echo $PPID` and variations on that theme? -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: defining a command - internal langauge
* Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-21 23:13:28 +0100]: * Jeremy Blosser [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-21 16:49]: [SNIP scripting in mutt would be nice] [SNIP Sven swears in public] Sven [slang, anyone?] I seem to remember that someone does/did maintain a patch that made mutt programmable via slang. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: Mail-Followup-To on mutt-users redundant?
* Shawn McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-15 09:41:11 -0500]: Mailing lists aren't easy to recognize, at least when they don't put in a header, but you're forgetting that this will only come up if the user hits the list-reply key, thereby TELLING mutt that the email was from a list. Perhaps I'm missing something here but I don't use list-reply to tell mutt that an email is from a mailing list, I use list-reply to tell mutt that I want to respond to the list it was from (instead of to the author of the email, or whatever). -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: Mail-Followup-To on mutt-users redundant?
* Shawn McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-15 10:17:37 -0500]: This one time, at band camp, Dave Pearson wrote: Perhaps I'm missing something here but I don't use list-reply to tell mutt that an email is from a mailing list, I use list-reply to tell mutt that I want to respond to the list it was from (instead of to the author of the email, or whatever). Uh huh. And we're discussing making Mutt handle that without you having to put two statements in the config file for every list you're on, just for the ones that are too hard to figure out programmatically. Ok, I see. My apologies, I'd not quite seen that twist (or, rather, I had but had got the wrong end of the stick). I've seen people complain, elsewhere, about having to maintain their lists and subscribe lists. Personally I've not really had much of a problem with it. What sorts of problems do people encounter in this regard? All I've ever been told so far is it's a hassle. I maintain that a sufficient percentage of them are NOT too hard to figure out that it's worth doing. mutt needs a built-in lisp interpreter. ; -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: editors and paragraphs
* Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-13 17:40:27 +0100]: * MuttER [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020313 14:17]: Many editors would have difficulty recognizing and parsing your date format. Which editors parse for dates? examples? (anyone?) Some people consider emacs to be an editor. , | *** Welcome to IELM *** Type (describe-mode) for help. | ELISP (require 'parse-time) | parse-time | | ELISP (parse-time-string Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:40:27 +0100) | (27 40 17 13 3 2002 3 nil 3600) | | ELISP (parse-time-string 2002-03-13 17:40:27 +0100) | (27 40 17 13 3 2002 nil nil 3600) | | ELISP (parse-time-string 020313 14:17) | (0 17 14 nil nil nil nil nil nil) ` -- Dave Pearson: | lbdb.el - LBDB interface. http://www.davep.org/ | sawfish.el - Sawfish mode. Emacs: | uptimes.el - Record emacs uptimes. http://www.davep.org/emacs/ | quickurl.el - Recall lists of URLs.
Re: editors and paragraphs
* Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-14 12:09:19 +0100]: * Dave Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-14 09:27]: , | ELISP (parse-time-string 020313 14:17) | (0 17 14 nil nil nil nil nil nil) ` looks like the parsing can still be enhanced. *ehem* How should it infer the year format, get the seconds and work out the timezone from the above data? Even if the seconds is considered lossy the other two items of data seem pretty vital, even if the parser isn't an editor. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: yymmdd is *informal*, dammit!
* Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-14 13:52:07 +0100]: * Dave Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-14 12:17]: How should it infer the year format, get the seconds and work out the timezone from the above data? Even if the seconds is considered lossy the other two items of data seem pretty vital, even if the parser isn't an editor. I am using the format yymmdd on my *webpages* - and for dates only. apart from that I was using it in the attribution - with hh:mm. What do your web pages have to do with this? but if applied to messages - which century can this be? 1900? 2100? Think, man, THINK! no - try HARDER! ;-) When you stop assuming that people who ask you questions, or, even worse, answer them for you, aren't thinking you might stop seeing everything as an argument. Besides, why do you think the century has anything to do with this? and I don't care what emacs makes of it. Yes you do, you asked the question to which emacs was one answer. Further to that you started to suggest that some of its code should adopt your form of writing dates. Have a think about the implications of what all this suggests about the continuity of message. as if you couldn't guess. sheesh. I guessed that this is the sort of response I'd get. I hate being right about this sort of thing sigh. -- Dave Pearson: | lbdb.el - LBDB interface. http://www.davep.org/ | sawfish.el - Sawfish mode. Emacs: | uptimes.el - Record emacs uptimes. http://www.davep.org/emacs/ | quickurl.el - Recall lists of URLs.
Re: Mail-Followup-To on mutt-users redundant?
* Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-14 13:55:59 +0100]: * Simon White [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-14 12:51]: Don't follow... what am I doing wrong? well, you have to be subscribed to the list to be able to send to it. so I know that when I reply to the list you'll get a copy. So this Mail-Followup-To seems redundant. Could it not be the case that the personal entry in Mail-Followup-To might be pointing to an address with which the author isn't subscribed to the list? This might be an address they monitor all day whereas their mutt subscription might be connected with a less read mailbox somewhere else. The personal followup would alert the author that someone has made a response to an email they've authored. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: Mail-Followup-To on mutt-users redundant?
* Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-14 15:26:01 +0100]: oh - you mean, this Mail-Followup-To is for extra notification? Please actually read what I write. I mean it could be one use for someone. You asked a question, I provided one possible answer. Once again it seems that such a question is really an attempt at trolling for arguments sigh. Seriously Sven, try assuming that there's more than one way to do things and that methods other than the one you prefer might also be reasonable. Also try reading what people write, not what you'd like them to write so you can start to try and hold them responsible for your inventions. I'm sure you're able. If you want notification at other addresses then you can use a filter at your home site. If it's feasible (and, in most cases, why wouldn't it be?) then, yes, that's another way of doing things. Where exactly did I say the possible answer I provided was the only way of doing things? Or you can subscribe to the list with some other address, too. Can't you see how that wouldn't work? Or, more to the point, how you'd be back where you started. But there is *no* reason to redirect CCs in any form which could be obsolete the very next day. Eh? Now, this Mail-Followup-To: needs to be put to better use than creating more problems. What problems? -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: Remove lbdb entries
On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 09:50:16AM -0800, Michael Montagne wrote: I just started using lbdb and it is cool the way it collects addresses from everyone sending me mail. But I'd like a way to prune the list cause I am a member of several mailing lists and I don't think that all those addresses need to be in my database. I can't seem to delete an entry tho. How would one do that? How did you attempt to delete an entry? I think you'll find that you can simply edit ~/.lbdb/m_inmail.list and remove the entries you don't want. -- Dave Pearson: | lbdb.el - LBDB interface. http://www.davep.org/ | sawfish.el - Sawfish mode. Emacs: | uptimes.el - Record emacs uptimes. http://www.davep.org/emacs/ | quickurl.el - Recall lists of URLs.
Re: DOS prompts (was Re: char % as quote)
On Sat, Jan 26, 2002 at 10:37:12AM -0500, David T-G wrote: Dave -- % That's agreeing with me, not differing with me. I said used, I didn't say % was only. We're on about the terminating character here. Ah. I misunderstood your statement 'the last character of the prompt hasn't been for that length of time' to say that, since 1991, the last character of the prompt has been something other than . It looks clear to me, but I guess that's not what you were saying. You're missing the start of the sentence that you're quoting from, the part that talks about how I don't use the default WinDOS shell. Hint: WinDOS imposes your choice of command line shell in just about the same way that (for example) GNU/Linux does. -- Dave Pearson: | lbdb.el - LBDB interface. http://www.davep.org/ | sawfish.el - Sawfish mode. Emacs: | uptimes.el - Record emacs uptimes. http://www.davep.org/emacs/ | quickurl.el - Recall lists of URLs.
Re: char % as quote
On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 12:44:59AM -0700, Rob 'Feztaa' Park wrote: Alas! David T-G spake thus: Funny, but my prompt really used to be back in my early days. Of course, good old Wintendo has always used the '' character at the end of the DOS prompt... [SNIP] Sort of. The default prompt of the default shell on WinDOS has always used the character. Personally I haven't used the default shell of WinDOS since about 1991 and the last character of the prompt hasn't been for that length of time. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: DOS prompts (was Re: char % as quote)
On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 12:38:57PM -0500, David T-G wrote: Dave -- % Sort of. The default prompt of the default shell on WinDOS has always % used the character. Personally I haven't used the default shell of % WinDOS since about 1991 and the last character of the prompt hasn't been % for that length of time. I beg to differ. The old DOS prompt was just ($g) and then became C ($n$g) -- before anyone had second hard drives. There are a number of variables used (b,d,e,g,l,m,n,p,q,t,v) that can be put together how you wish. That's agreeing with me, not differing with me. I said used, I didn't say was only. We're on about the terminating character here. These days, the default prompt is $p$g, which gives you the path and the greater symbol. It's been that since at least DOS 6 and I'd bet a Twinkie since DOS 3.3. I can probably remember as far back as about DOS 3.1 and the default prompt of the default shell was $p$g. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: returning to inbox (..ish)
On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 10:05:34AM +0100, Nick Wilson wrote: Mornin' all When I hit 'c' and navigate to a mailbox, how do I get back to /var/spool/mail/nick? It's an awfully painfull task to navigate right up to the spool again. I usually restart mutt, but this surely isn't right? Take a look at section 4.7 of the mutt manual. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: Re : signature delimiter
On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 12:54:06AM -0800, Brian Nelson wrote: Wolfgang Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: not -- but -- ! RFC 1036 (Standard for interchange of USENET messages) Err, don't you mean -- \n? Err, don't you mean \n-- \n? :) -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: line length
On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 06:40:37PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 17:10:24 +, Dave Pearson wrote: Right, ok, the mode I use locally (not to be confused with post.el) doesn't handle that either. This is never a problem for me because I view the above as broken quoting anyway and, Yes, but some users generate such quoting. Obviously, otherwise it wouldn't exist. See above and below. I fix it on the rare occasion when I encounter it. when I need to fill and quote text like the above, I fix it first (makes it more readable for me and for other people). OK, so how do you fix it automatically with emacs? I don't, I fix it by hand, it only takes a moment. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: line length
On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 12:02:53PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 08:46:16 +, Dave Pearson wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 06:40:37PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: Yes, but some users generate such quoting. Obviously, otherwise it wouldn't exist. See above and below. I fix it on the rare occasion when I encounter it. And *you* did generate such quoting. From your message: I can't see anything wrong with the quoting. Perhaps you're suggesting that I should add an extra newline after my attribution line? That seems like a reasonable idea. I'd assumed that we were talking about the quoting of the actual content of an email here. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: line length
On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 03:42:56AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 15:04:15 +, Dave Pearson wrote: I use emacs as my editor for composing email with mutt, the mode I use is a local hack that derives from `mail-mode' (some of the code in question made it into post.el URL:http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/mutt/). I've never had a problem with M-q and normally quoted text and, on the very rare occasion that I do have a problem, I use `set-fill-prefix' (C-x .) to give the filling code a clue. Filling is still broken with your mode. Given that I've never made my mode publicly available (at least, I don't ever recall making it publicly available other than donating some non-mode stuff to post.el) I'm not sure how you can say this. Can you explain the nature of the brokenness in the mode I use here that I describe above? -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: line length
On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 04:17:38PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 10:32:47 +, Dave Pearson wrote: Given that I've never made my mode publicly available (at least, I don't ever recall making it publicly available other than donating some non-mode stuff to post.el) I'm not sure how you can say this. Well, the post.el file on your site still doesn't do what it should. There is no post.el on my site. Can you explain the nature of the brokenness in the mode I use here that I describe above? I gave an example in another message: bar blah1 blah2 blah3 blah4 Right, ok, the mode I use locally (not to be confused with post.el) doesn't handle that either. This is never a problem for me because I view the above as broken quoting anyway and, when I need to fill and quote text like the above, I fix it first (makes it more readable for me and for other people). -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: line length
On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 12:34:36PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: If you want to reformat quoted text, emacs is quite bad at this, and I've never found *perfect* LISP code to do that. :( I use emacs as my editor for composing email with mutt, the mode I use is a local hack that derives from `mail-mode' (some of the code in question made it into post.el URL:http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/mutt/). I've never had a problem with M-q and normally quoted text and, on the very rare occasion that I do have a problem, I use `set-fill-prefix' (C-x .) to give the filling code a clue. -- Dave Pearson: | lbdb.el - LBDB interface. http://www.davep.org/ | sawfish.el - Sawfish mode. Emacs: | uptimes.el - Record emacs uptimes. http://www.davep.org/emacs/ | quickurl.el - Recall lists of URLs.
Re: Convert from Pine to Mutt, howto
On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 09:10:41AM +0200, Rune Mossige wrote: 1) How do I set up mutt to cycle all the mailfolders where I have procmail store new messages inside? Pine had an 'incoming-folders' setting, where I set the folder names, and the order to look in them. How do I do that in mutt? See section 3.11 of the manual. 2) When I do 'c' to change folder, is it possible to get a selection box, where I can scroll with the cursor, and select a folder by hitting return, instead of typing in the name of the folder I want to change to? Look at what the prompt says when you hit c. 3) How do I set up a distributionlist using mutt's aliases? See section 3.2 of the manual. 4) When I have marked several messages for deletion, and scroll the index of messages, the cursor jumps over the messages marked for deleting. This is fine, but sometimes I do not want this...I want to scroll to a deleted message, and then undelete it. How do I do that? Do I have to 'jump' to that message number? Use previous-entry and next-entry to move the cursor. See the key binding help screen to see what they are bound to (usually K and J by default). 5) How do I 'expunge' all messages marked for deletion, similar to pine's 'eXpunge' command? I do not want to have to quit mutt, or change to a new folder, just to expunge a number of messages. Use sync-mailbox. See the key binding help screen to see what it is bound to (usually bound to $ by default). -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: mutt 1.2.5 and noatime filesystems
On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 04:26:16PM +0200, Matteo wrote: Today I've mounted /var partition with options noatime. I rebooted, but later mutt doesn't work. Each time that I exit from a Mailbox and press TAB+TAB to check for new messages, mutt notifies that there are new messages in mailboxes that I've check before. Then I enter in one of this mailboxes, but there aren't new mex. I've remounted /var without noatime and mutt works fine... Any idea?? See the first Note: in section 3.11 of the mutt manual. I'd have thought that by removing support for atime you're experiencing a variation on the problem that's spoken about there (actually the reverse problem if you think about it). -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: print_command ignored?
On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 05:00:12PM -0500, Jim Crumley wrote: Any hints on how to debug this? I started to look at the configuration file reading part of the code, but C is not my best language so I am not very sure what to look at. What gets printed if you enter: , | :set ?print_command ` into mutt? -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: Inc?
On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 10:33:28AM -0400, Justin R. Miller wrote: At the top of my Mutt there are the standard indications, such as Msgs, Del, New, Old, and Inc... what does Inc stand for? I know it's the number of folders with new messages, but what is it an abbreviation for? Just curious. I seem to remember Incoming being mentioned. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: unable to remove a macro
On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 01:02:57AM -0700, Eugene Lee wrote: [SNIP] Is there an undocumented way to remove a macro? If not, is noop recognized by macro in the 1.3 series? Simply `bind' noop to the key that you've defined the macro for. For example, I have this macro: , | # Use the @ key as a quick save and synx button. | macro index @ save-message=mbox\nsync-mailbox\n ` defined when I'm in my $MAIL folder, but I don't want it defined anywhere else. To clear it I use: , | bind index @ noop ` -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: unable to remove a macro
On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 09:38:47AM -0400, Louis LeBlanc wrote: Hmm. What if you set a macro for a key sequence? I use '.key' for some of my macros, but trying to get rid of them if I don't want to forget and use them in another folder can be tricky. Any ideas there? Did you try the advice you replied to? I just did. First I created a macro to show the mutt version: , | macro index ..v show-version ` so, pressing dot-dot-v causes mutt to display its version details. Then I tested to see if it could be cleared using `bind' and noop: , | bind index ..v noop ` sure enough, pressing dot-dot-v now gives: , | Key is not bound. Press '?' for help. ` How didn't it work for you? -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: Clearing macros
On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 03:10:58PM -0400, Louis LeBlanc wrote: How does one clear a macro? Bind the key in question to noop. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: [feature req] Configurable behaviour after MTA failure
On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 02:00:10AM +0530, Joane Lispton wrote: Hi Dave, Sounds like you're trying too hard here. With sendmail (insert your MTA of choice here as I'm sure they all work in a similar way) all I simply need to do is type mailq and I can see what's still in the queue and why. Your are right, of course. Dan also pointed that out. But, using mailq still means that I must put mutt into the background and run some command, which is pretty different from knowing the Mail sent means ... well, exactly that! :-) True, there's a difference in your case. I wasn't suggesting that your method of working off line as any less valid than mine (it seems that I'm really off-line but you have some on-line version of off-line, dial on demand perhaps?). As for putting mutt into the background. No need for that at all. A quick mutt macro to run mailq would let you feel that the facility was part of mutt itself. I run all sorts of external tools from mutt to help me manage email. Point here being, there are far easier and far more integrated ways of doing this (that don't require mutt to be modified) than scanning logs. I know this doesn't make your environment as useful as you'd like but the current setup doesn't need to be as unwieldy as you've reported it is. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: Quoting message in replies
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 11:44:16PM -0700, Luke Ravitch wrote: On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 08:17:17PM -0600, Duke Normandin wrote: Seems like what I was wanting to do is taboo... OK! How about: Any ideas on how I can generate _that_ ? Would that break anything? Fascinating. Replying to this post and choosing to have the original message included, I get the above. The lines with the dashes disappeared. I wonder why. Well, consider that as a side effect. Could it be that you're using emacs as your editor and post.el as the mode to edit with? -- Dave Pearson: | lbdb.el - LBDB interface. http://www.davep.org/ | sawfish.el - Sawfish mode. Emacs: | uptimes.el - Record emacs uptimes. http://www.davep.org/emacs/ | quickurl.el - Recall lists of URLs.
Re: Quoting message in replies
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 12:50:58AM -0700, Luke Ravitch wrote: On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 08:30:22AM +0100, Dave Pearson wrote: Could it be that you're using emacs as your editor and post.el as the mode to edit with? Indeed, I am. I take it Post mode is responsible for the trimming. Is there a rationale behind it or is it just a quirky...umm...feature? It's a side effect of the setting of `post-signature-pattern' and how `post-delete-quoted-signatures' uses it. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: [feature req] Configurable behaviour after MTA failure
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 11:49:15PM -0400, Walt Mankowski wrote: On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 12:49:27PM +0530, Joane Lispton wrote: So, if, e.g., the PPP link is down and I haven't noticed that, mutt will tell me that my email has been sent, while it is actually stored in some directory on my hard-drive, awaiting my next connection to the Internet... probably established to download the replies to the emails I _thought_ I had sent! I actually think queueing is a *feature* on laptops. I frequently compose emails while I'm disconnected (say on a train or in a coffeeshop) and intentionally let the MTA queue them up. When I'm back online the MTA will take of sending them without my worrying about it. It's not just laptops. Any machine with a dial-up connection where that connection is dial-on-demand really needs queueing. I've had a net connection like this since 1995 and have been using sendmail to do the queue handling all that time. When I bring up the link the queue gets flushed. Nice and simple. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: [feature req] Configurable behaviour after MTA failure
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 04:43:02PM +0100, Dave Pearson wrote: It's not just laptops. Any machine with a dial-up connection where that connection is dial-on-demand really needs queueing. [SNIP] That should have read /isn't/ dial-in-demand. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: [feature req] Configurable behaviour after MTA failure
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 11:48:23PM +0530, Joane Lispton wrote: Hi Dave, When I bring up the link the queue gets flushed. Nice and simple. That's my problem with queueing MTAs: if the link goes down before the MTA relays the emails (e.g., my connection is accidently dropped while I am in mutt), I think they were flushed but they still are on my hard-drive. And to really make sure that mail got _sent_, I have to look at SMTP log files... :-( Sounds like you're trying too hard here. With sendmail (insert your MTA of choice here as I'm sure they all work in a similar way) all I simply need to do is type mailq and I can see what's still in the queue and why. To sum it up, when it comes to the trade-off between - doing all the queueing manually, and knowing (from within mutt) that mail has been successfully relayed and - having a MTA do the queueing for me, yet, if I wish to make sure that something is already at the relay host, I have to dig in log files, I've never needed to dig in the logs to see if anything has gone. I simple check the queue. Further to that, most of my net connections are done at timed intervals and are brought up via cron. Quite often I'm not even at my desk when this happens. As you might imagine any kind of manual intervention on my part, be it handling the queue by hand or reading logs, would be out of the question. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: next-tag?
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 11:49:49AM +0200, Iwan Mouwen wrote: Is there a function like next-new (say next-tag) to quickly browse tagged messages? If not, is there a way to temporarily hide untagged messages? Use a macro in conjunction with search~T. For example, this: , | macro index \e\t search~T\n ` would make Esc-TAB move to the next tagged message in an index. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: Bounced mails
On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 10:49:50AM +0200, Masand, Manish wrote:
actually i am getting a syntax error when i do a . .muttrc
/export/home/tks01 . .muttrc
ksh: syntax error: `(' unexpected
Why are you sourcing your mutt configuration file into your shell?
``set'' sig_dashes=yes
Why the quotes around set?
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Re: How to attach a previous email?
On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 08:30:00AM +0100, Viktor Lakics wrote: This is probably a FAQ, sorry for that if it is. I frequently want to attach on of my previous mails from the sent folder. But with attach I can only attach a file. See section 2.4 of the mutt manual. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: Lists and marks
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 12:22:14AM +0200, Andre Berger wrote: Now, can I also flag such messages as important automatically? I guess the "push" command is made for such cases, a little example would help me very much. I'd have thought that using procmail to do this would be a better idea. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: Lists and marks
On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 06:37:03PM +0200, Andre Berger wrote: It would be convenient to have replies to my own postings to lists (threads I've posted in) automatically marked. What filter criterium can be used in this case? If, by "marked", you mean coloured in some way you can do it by searching the references header for text that corresponds to your emails. For example, I use the following to colour new messages that mention either of the forms of message ID found in my emails: , | color index brightgreen white "~N ~x \"hagbard\.(demon\.co\.uk|davep\.org)\"" ` -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: [OT] lbdb: sorting by real name
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 11:56:28PM +0200, Andre Berger wrote: I have lbdb (0.18.5) on my Debian potato system. My question: (Q)uery in Mutt gives me a list sorted alphanumerically by email-adresses (second column in Mutt, first in ~/.lbdb/m_inmail.list). Can I change this somehow, display the list sorted by real name in Mutt? The manual page for lbdbq documents the LBDB sort options. Didn't that work for you? -- Dave Pearson: | lbdb.el - LBDB interface. http://www.davep.org/ | sawfish.el - Sawfish mode. Emacs: | uptimes.el - Record emacs uptimes. http://www.davep.org/emacs/ | quickurl.el - Recall lists of URLs.
Re: [OT] lbdb: sorting by real name
On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 01:56:38PM +0200, Andre Berger wrote: * Dave Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2001-04-13 11:34 +0200: The manual page for lbdbq documents the LBDB sort options. Didn't that work for you? No! "man lbdbq" gives me a Sept 1999 version that doesn't mention any sort options. Can you give me a clue? I'd start by suggesting that you upgrade lbdb to the latest version. If the manual page doesn't mention a sort option then there's every chance that the version you've got there doesn't support sorting. -- Dave Pearson: | lbdb.el - LBDB interface. http://www.davep.org/ | sawfish.el - Sawfish mode. Emacs: | uptimes.el - Record emacs uptimes. http://www.davep.org/emacs/ | quickurl.el - Recall lists of URLs.
Re: Mutt and xEmacs
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 08:57:42PM +0200, TeLeNiEkO wrote: Is there anyway to integrate mutt and xEmacs? I'd like to use both integrated, I actually use emacs as my editor, but Launching xEmacs is ugly. What sort of integration do you have in mind? Do you simply not wish to have to run xemacs every time you want to compose? If so you should look at gnuclient (it comes with xemacs). post.el URL:http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/mutt/ might also be of interest to you. -- Dave Pearson: | lbdb.el - LBDB interface. http://www.davep.org/ | sawfish.el - Sawfish mode. Emacs: | uptimes.el - Record emacs uptimes. http://www.davep.org/emacs/ | quickurl.el - Recall lists of URLs.
Re: Mutt and xEmacs
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 09:51:02PM +0200, TeLeNiEkO wrote: So, I use xemacs on console for editing mails, but my idea was more, having mutt in a frame of xemacs, and the mail into another, sure it can't be. But something similar? If that's what you're after perhaps you could run mutt inside an xterm (M-x term RET) and then use gnuclient as the editor for mutt so that the editor that mutt is running in is used to compose your mail? -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: Mutt and xEmacs
On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 08:12:41AM +0100, Dave Pearson wrote: If that's what you're after perhaps you could run mutt inside an xterm (M-x term RET) [SNIP] That should have ream "eterm", not "xterm". -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: Mutt and xEmacs
On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 06:01:28AM -0400, Thomas Dickey wrote: On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 08:24:14AM +0100, Dave Pearson wrote: On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 08:12:41AM +0100, Dave Pearson wrote: If that's what you're after perhaps you could run mutt inside an xterm (M-x term RET) [SNIP] That should have ream "eterm", not "xterm". read Ahh, yes. Typo when fixing a typo. what difference does that make? eterm vs xterm? The former is something inside emacs, the latter isn't. -- Dave Pearson: | lbdb.el - LBDB interface. http://www.davep.org/ | sawfish.el - Sawfish mode. Emacs: | uptimes.el - Record emacs uptimes. http://www.davep.org/emacs/ | quickurl.el - Recall lists of URLs.
Re: aliases
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 12:26:25PM +0200, Theo Bierman wrote: why is it when i send a mail to someone in my aliases file, it sends it off with my own domain name and not what is specified in the aliases file itself Where are your aliases stored? -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: mailboxes
On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 03:12:30PM -0600, dan radom wrote: I'm defining mailboxes in ~/.muttrc as follows... mailboxes `echo $HOME/mail/*` /var/spool/mail/graffix ...that works fine for displaying notifications about new messages in those folders. the problem is is that $HOME/mail/* includes sent (set record=~/mail/sent), and i'd rather not get notifications for new messages in the sent folder. it doesn't look like i can replace the mailboxes echo with something like `echo $HOME/mail/* |grep -v sent` sa the output of the echo command is all on one line. Is there any way to not get notifications of new messages in sent, while not having to specify every single mailbox for the mailboxes directive in .muttrc? This exact question cropped up back in January. Here's the suggestion I posted then: -- cut here I just wish there would be a way to unspecify mailboxes after doing something like that. Like 'SPAM' and 'outbox'. I usually end up doing hairy sed scripts, when something like; mailboxes `echo $HOME/Mail/*` mailboxes -SPAM -outbox Perhaps it is possible, I just missed it? How about something like: , | echo $HOME/Mail/* | tr " " "\n" | grep -Ev "not wanted" | tr "\n" " " ` Where not wanted is the list of boxes you don't want. eg: , | grep -Ev "SPAM|outbox" ` -- cut here -------- -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: change-folder macro
On Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 09:53:39AM +0100, Kirill Miazine wrote: Hello, There's one type of macro I can't get working: Pressing Ctrl-q should bring me to the qmail folder (=qmail) and Ctrl-m should bring me to the mutt folder (=mutt). What did you try and how didn't it work? -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: change-folder macro
On Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 10:19:25AM +0100, Kirill Miazine wrote: On Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 09:16:23AM +, Dave Pearson wrote: What did you try and how didn't it work? macro index \Cq "c=qmailenter" and nothing happened when I pressed C-q C-q is probably been caught by your terminal and never makes it to mutt. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: how to overried mime types?
On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 10:57:20AM +, Lars Hecking wrote: Michael S. Tsirkin writes: Hello! I get lots of mail from Outlook which all have attachments of the type "application/octet-stream". I would like in this case to use file extension to select the viewer for the attachment. This is precisely what Dave Pearson's mutt.octet.filter does. http://www.hagbard.demon.co.uk/mutt.html That's not quite what it does, it was only ever written as a filter for auto_viewing octet-stream stuff. There is a version floating around that adds a "view" option too. Actually I want to kill off mutt.octet.filter and do things properly. As more than one person has pointed out, this sort of thing can and should be done via the mailcap. If anyone is interested in taking it over and doing it properly and/or helping to write a "proper" version I'd love to hear from them. Part of me wonders if it would make a good patch (or even actual feature?) for mutt itself. Something that does a double check from within mutt when encountering an octet-stream would be really useful. [CC: To mutt-dev 'cos I'd be interest to know what the developers think. Note that I'm not on the development list.] -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: how to overried mime types?
On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 06:53:42PM +0100, Ulf Erikson wrote:
if (!mutt_strcasecmp ("application/octet-stream", type)) {
char buf[SHORT_STRING];
int n;
if ((n = lookup_mime_type (buf, a-filename)) != TYPEOTHER) {
snprintf (type, STRING, "%s/%s",
n == TYPEAUDIO ? "audio" :
n == TYPEAPPLICATION ? "application" :
n == TYPEIMAGE ? "image" :
n == TYPEMESSAGE ? "message" :
n == TYPEMODEL ? "model" :
n == TYPEMULTIPART ? "multipart" :
n == TYPETEXT ? "text" :
n == TYPEVIDEO ? "video" : "other",
buf);
}
}
This seems very useful. Perhaps with the addition of a configuration
variable to control the behaviour (perhaps there are reasons why people
would wish this extra digging didn't happen)?
Would any of the developers care to comment on why this would be a bad idea?
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Re: permission denied
[mutt-dev removed from reply list, this isn't a mutt development issue] On Sat, Feb 03, 2001 at 06:25:38AM -, Jim M. wrote: I entered the "application/octet-stream; /usr/local/bin/mutt.octet.stream %s; copiousoutput" in my /etc/mailcap file. I get the error: permission denied. In /usr/local/bin, I have: -rw-r--r-- 1 userid userid .. . mutt.octet.stream How do i fix this?. Make the file executable. What is mutt.octet.stream, is it like mutt.octet.filter? -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: still doesn't work
On Sat, Feb 03, 2001 at 10:19:23AM -, Jim M. wrote: I have downlaoded some of these from Dave Pearson's website. Couls someone tell me what might be wrong?. mutt.octet.filter doesn't have any special handling for pdf files. What are sort of output are you expecting? Also, do you realise that large parts of your ~/.muttrc are actually large parts of mine. I'd be surprised to find that you're subscribed to all the mailing lists I'm subscribed to and that your list of alternate email addresses is the same as mine. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: mutt.octet.filter
[mutt-dev removed to the reply list, this isn't a mutt development issue] On Sat, Feb 03, 2001 at 05:34:25AM -, Jim M. wrote: In mutt when trying to see attachments of type: .pdf i get: command: mutt.octet.filter Is mutt.octet.filter in your path? -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: Reliably detecting/counting new mail. WAS:[Re: Default mailbox display? [partially solved]]
On Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 11:30:57AM +0100, Heinrich Langos wrote:
On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 03:53:44PM +, Dave Pearson wrote:
With an attitude like that it's not surprising that you're confused
about what I've been saying. Read what I've actually said, look for the
reasonable reason this time, then you might find that I've said nothing
against the idea of providing the feature you'd like to see.
Well, then I'm sorry. I guess I took your repating of "the docs are right"
the wrong way. I was not trying to convince you that the docs are wrong
and I took your insiting on the thier correctnes as conviction that there
is nothing to improve.
I think I see the problem and the source of the misunderstanding. I wasn't
saying that the documentation was correct, I was saying that the "new mail"
detection *was* reliable within the limits of it's reported abilities. While
I don't have a problem with those limits (I've configured my backup utility,
for example, to preserve time stamps) it doesn't follow that I think that
development should stop right there.
In order to deal with extremly big mailboxes I proposed that "jump to
the previously know end" strategy. But dealing with large amounts of
incoming mail could be a problem.
Any ideas? I mean other than limiting the amount to scan like
"max_growth_to_scan_for_new_mail=200k"
If a mailbox had grown more than 200k since the last scan you would
only mark the previously known amount of new mail with a "+" and
postpone exact scanning and updating of numbers till the user entered
that folder and you had to scan it anyway.
That would seem like an obvious solution. However, I suspect you're starting
to get into design problems that have caused the mutt developers to dismiss
extending this before. The point being that you still end up with a "it
sometimes works, but not always" solution.
In other words you still get something that is "unreliable" for certain
values of "unreliable".
I don't use fetchmail but the above still isn't true. email does arrive
in large batches for me.
How comes?
I'm on a dialup connection. Mail only flows into my box when I dial into my
ISP URL:http://www.demon.net/.
Are these large batches usually source initiated (like
moderated mailinglists) or are they collected at another MX host before
they get transfered to your mail server? In other words: Will they affect
all/many of your mailboxes or usually just one ore two?
They affect all mailboxes.
,
| Mail-Followup-To: heinrich, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
`
yeap .. unfortunatly i don't know how to review the headers before sending
an email.
could it be a problem with the local sendmail configuration?
I think it's more likely you've got a mutt configuration problem.
furthermore i've got "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" on my "lists". but not on
"subscribe" since i like to see the sender instead of the list address in
the index. if putting it on "subscribe" will solve the
"Mail-Followup-To:"-problem i will do that and change index_format
accordingly.
This seems to be your problem. The mutt list should be in your `subscribe'
list, not your `list' list. If the `index_format' isn't what you'd like it
to be that's what you should change.
Here's the index format I use for mailing lists:
,
| # This is the index format for mailing lists.
| set index_format="%4C %Z %{%b %d} %-15.15n (%4l) %s"
`
You can see the whole of my ~/.muttrc setup on my web site. I'm not
suggesting it's actually useful but the list/non-list handling that I have
might give you some ideas.
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Re: binding synchronise mailbox function
On Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 12:33:51PM +0100, Eric Smith wrote: I want to bind the `$' command to the space key. Is it possible to bind the mailbox synchronise function? Could not find anything useful in the docs so went: [eric@apple ~] 5 $ nm `which mutt`|grep sync 0806ed40 t maildir_sync_message 0806b108 T mbox_sync_mailbox 0806ee94 T mh_sync_mailbox 0806eb8c t mh_sync_message 080709d8 T mx_sync_mailbox 08070220 t sync_mailbox Doesn't `sync-mailbox', as found in section 6.4.2 of the mutt manual, do what you want it to do? But all of these gave an error viz: :bind index space sync_mailbox sync_mailbox: no such function in map This: , | bind index space sync-mailbox ` works with no problems here. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: binding synchronise mailbox function
On Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 12:55:46PM +, Conor Daly wrote: Try :bind index space sync Mutt doesn't appear to have such a function. Did you mean `sync-mailbox'? -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: Default mailbox display?
On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 12:37:09AM +0100, Axel Bichler wrote: Hi Dave! that's more constructive than a self-confessed "uppish tone". It would seem you've decided to do that so I don't really see a problem or a need for such a tone. On the other hand, meticulously insisting on an "It does what it says" point of view could be perceived as an "uppish tone", too. Then your perception would be wrong. I was simply pointing out that the current method wasn't unreliable because it did exactly what it says it does. Moreover, it's never given me any problems. IOW, I was reporting my experiences with it. I see no problem with that. I see nothing uppish about that either. I reported a fact and an experience. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: Default mailbox display? [partially solved]
On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 01:34:03PM +0100, Heinrich Langos wrote: On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 08:07:58PM +, Dave Pearson wrote: It would appear that we have different definitions of "accessed" and "modified". My copy of mutt shows me when an mbox has been modified, not when it has been accessed. do me a favor and check your "mutt -v" output. if it says "+BUFFY_SIZE" than your mutt is not just checking access times but much more than that. if it says "-BUFFY_SIZE" (like mine did) and after grep-ing your mailbox still shows an "N", i don't get it. I don't use the buffy feature. Neither have I ever said that an external access of a given mailbox won't cause mutt to fail to show the "N". I keep saying that it works as documented. BTW: is your mutt running 24/7 or do you start it anew in the morning like i do... ( and several times a day whenever i've found a new feature in mutt that i would like to try out ? :) ) 24/7. I also run other instances of mutt on an ad-hoc basis. it's not only me who wants mutt to behave that way, i guess. if it was not the intention to make mutt detect new mail it would say "... the main menu status bar displays how any of these folders have been modified since they where accessed by some programm." ;-) I agree that this can be viewed as a documentation problem. The problem with such a scan is that it could take ages. I've got a lot of mailboxes, some of which can be huge. it only scans mailboxes that are marked as incoming mailboxes. That's why I said "mailboxes". so it would do the same thing it does, when opening that mbox. only to all of them at once... ok ok .. that would be some overhead. That could and would be a *lot* of overhead. but it will not scan all your mailboxes. especially not those archive like things where you keep several years of the kernel developers list or bugtraq :-) I said "mailboxes", not archives. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: Reliably detecting/counting new mail. WAS:[Re: Default mailbox display? [partially solved]]
On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 04:16:25PM +0100, Heinrich Langos wrote: Dave, you may stop reading. The rest will only bother you and further waste your time. With an attitude like that it's not surprising that you're confused about what I've been saying. Read what I've actually said, look for the reasonable reason this time, then you might find that I've said nothing against the idea of providing the feature you'd like to see. IOW, try being less insulting and use a little more comprehension. That's why I said "mailboxes". ok ok .. just wanted to make sure we talk about the same thing. i guess most users don't have huge mailboxes since mbox-hooks are a such a nice way to move older mail out of mailboxes after some time. anyway... But we can't actually make such a guess can we? You also seem to be under the impression that I don't archive older mail. I do. Arguing that "most users" do what you'd like them to do doesn't detract from the point that there can and will be large mailboxes defined by the mailbox command. When designing new features it makes sense to work to the extreme case, not the average case (especially when you can't really know what the average is). if a change occures (detecting may be done by modification time, filesize, md5sum (sorted accending by paranoia)) and the filesize increases you could assume that there is new mail (if it decreased you could mark that mailbox as "C" for changed or something like that and stop here). Note that an increase in size might be a reduction in the number of actual emails. I might have deleted a load but saved one large email from somewhere else to the mailbox in question. IOW, an increase in size can't be assumed to be new mail. jump to the previously know end of the file and scan how may new mails arrived. that shouldn't be too much of a burden for a system. since mails usually don't arrive in large batches. (i know, fetchmail users will hate me.) I don't use fetchmail but the above still isn't true. email does arrive in large batches for me. to prevent errors due to other programms, maliciously changing your mailboxes and increasing its size, you could check for that. depending on your level of paranoia you could do anything. from A) checking if a new mail starts exactly where it is supposed to start (at the previously know file-end, which you do anyway by starting parsingthere) That sounds like a good solution for the problem I highlight above. PS: You still appear to have a configuration problem with your copy of mutt: , | Mail-Followup-To: heinrich, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ` -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: Default mailbox display?
On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 05:40:03PM +0100, Heinrich Langos wrote: On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 12:05:01PM +, Dave Pearson wrote: On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 12:24:40PM +0100, Heinrich Langos wrote: the problem with "-y" is that it simply doesn't work reliably. Yes it does. No it doesn't. Been there, tried it. Then your experience is different from mine. I've been using mutt since before the mailboxes feature was added and, apart from the documented issues (which you quoted) it has always worked reliably. That's why I'm saying it does work reliably. The only things I've ever seen that can affect it are those that are documented. We talk about multiple incoming mboxes that are fed by procmail, don't we? Correct. I can asure you that I often find new mail in these mailboxes eventhough "mutt -y" doesn't tell so. That may be because wo do backup our system. And from time to time I allow myself to grep my mail directory for some phonenumber or other information. There you go then. The reason that the mailboxes appear to have not been updated since you last read them is because they've not been updated since you last "read" them. I do backups here too and I don't have a problem, that's because I ensure that my backup solution preserves timestamps. That quote is informing you that if you allow other tools to modify the timestamps. It doesn't say that mutt's detection of mailboxes with new mail is unreliable. Yes it does. Or what else does this note say? The quote is informing you that external processes might change the timestamp behaviour. So please stop defending mutt's weakness in this area and lets try to think of a way to improve mutt. I love mutt and I want it to suck even less! :-) Please don't suggest that I'm defending a weakness, I'm not. I am pointing out that it does what it says in the documentation. It points out it's own weakness and that other than the documented issues it's reliable. or is there a _reasonable_ opposition against saving status information that i don't see? Saving such information won't help you work out how many new mails there are, or if there is new mail at all. It would let you know if the mailbox had been modified in some way, which is pretty much what mutt does right now. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: Default mailbox display?
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 09:01:42PM -0800, Trae McCombs wrote:
One thing that I think would help not only me, but tons of others is
something like this:
mailbox 1 3 new messages
mailbox 2 12 new messages
mailbox 3 8 new messages
Where you had the "status bar" that you could move up and down between
mailboxes... and then you would get into the messages of that mailbox.
Although it doesn't give you the count you're after it sounds more or less
like you're asking for the screen you'll be presented with if you start mutt
with the "-y" switch ("man mutt" lists all the available switches).
If you want mutt to do this on startup you could create an alias or
something or stick this:
,
| push "change-folder?toggle-mailboxes"
`
at the end of your ~/.muttrc.
I'd also think it would be cool to have some sort of key binding that
would allow you to get back out to the main mailbox once deep in another
mailbox so you wouldn't have to quit.
That's what the macro system is for. For example:
,
| macro index "h" "change-folder!\n"
`
choose the key of your choice (in the above "h" (for "home") would be the
key, look at the binding list (help screen) for the section of mutt in
question to see that you won't be overriding a useful binding), also
remember to define the macro for the pager and anywhere else that makes
sense.
Or, perhaps, when you say "main mailbox" you mean the initial display you're
talking about? If so you can use the macro system again. For example:
,
| macro pager "y" "sync-mailboxchange-folder?toggle-mailboxes"
`
with the above in place pressing "y" in the pager would take you back to the
screen you get when you do a "mutt -y".
Sorry I'm such a lamer, especially if this is something easy to fix. If
someone has the time, and can provide a .muttrc to accomplish this, or
better still, what I need to toss into my .muttrc, I would be forever in
your debt. :)
The debt is noted. :
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Re: Default mailbox display?
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 12:24:40PM +0100, Heinrich Langos wrote:
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 09:27:53AM +, Dave Pearson wrote:
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 09:01:42PM -0800, Trae McCombs wrote:
mailbox 1 3 new messages
mailbox 2 12 new messages
mailbox 3 8 new messages
how about this ?
Mail/mutt-users [Msgs:413 New:18 1.1M]
Mail/sf/vuln-dev [Msgs:141478K]
Mail/nymip [Msgs:54 368K]
now wouldn't that be nice ?
Nice, be expensive. Each mailbox would have to be read to get that
information (at least, that's true for mbox style mailboxes).
Although it doesn't give you the count you're after it sounds more or less
like you're asking for the screen you'll be presented with if you start mutt
with the "-y" switch ("man mutt" lists all the available switches).
the problem with "-y" is that it simply doesn't work reliably.
Yes it does.
to quote the docs:
---
Note: new mail is detected by comparing the last modification time to
the last access time. Utilities like biff or frm or any other program
which accesses the mailbox might cause Mutt to never detect new mail
for that mailbox if they do not properly reset the access time. Backup
tools are another common reason for updated access times.
---
That quote is informing you that if you allow other tools to modify the
timestamps. It doesn't say that mutt's detection of mailboxes with new mail
is unreliable.
same happens when you change to one of those folders and you quit without
saving changes to another folder. if you change into that folder again you
will see mails marked as new though the folder was not marked by "N" in
the folder menue.
The "N" status of a mailbox tells you that it has been updated since you
last read the mailbox.
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Re: attaching multiple files with edit-headers
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 09:37:10PM +, Conor Daly wrote: OTOH, I did a little script that checks for "attach" style keywords in your message and then checks for a "content disposition attachment" type line in the message and if it doesn't find one, pop's up an xmessage to ask if you want to send without an attachment. The emacs junkies out there might also like to note that the emacs mutt mode (as in mail editing mode, not the mode for editing muttrc files) has a similar feature. In fact, I got asked about this message since it says "attach" above and doesn't have an attachment. Cool eh? Now, I'd have been more impressed if it had known that you didn't want to attach anything in this case. ; -- Dave Pearson: | lbdb.el - LBDB interface. http://www.davep.org/ | sawfish.el - Sawfish mode. Emacs: | uptimes.el - Record emacs uptimes. http://www.davep.org/emacs/ | quickurl.el - Recall lists of URLs.
Re: Mailboxes
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 11:29:57PM +0100, Martin Schweizer wrote: I'm using Mutt 1.2.5i and installed procmail to sort lynx-dev mails and mutt-users mails in separate mailboxes. The only way I found to open these mailboxes (in $HOME/Mail/) is press 'c' in the index. Is there another way (I found nothing in the manual)? What sort of alternative are you looking for? For example, when you do "c" in the index, next, type "?". Is the interface you're presented with there similar to what you had in mind? Secondary: if I opend perhaps the lynx-dev mailbox, how can I return to the standard mailbox? Change back to it. See section 4.7 of the manual for shortcut names of various "standard" folders. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: Emacs mutt mode??
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 07:05:07AM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 09:06:53AM +, Dave Pearson muttered: The emacs junkies out there might also like to note that the emacs mutt mode (as in mail editing mode, not the mode for editing muttrc files) has a similar feature. And where does one find said Emacs mutt mode? Apologies, I thought there was a link to it on URL:http://www.mutt.org/. See URL:http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/mutt/. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: Emacs mutt mode??
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 08:26:43AM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 02:34:36PM +, Dave Pearson muttered: Apologies, I thought there was a link to it on URL:http://www.mutt.org/. See URL:http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/mutt/. Mea culpa. There is a link from the mutt home page. I looked at your page, and did not find it there. Thanks Well, I do link to the mutt page and the mutt page links to ; -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: New mail notification
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 09:29:53AM +0100, Fredrik Jagenheim wrote: I just wish there would be a way to unspecify mailboxes after doing something like that. Like 'SPAM' and 'outbox'. I usually end up doing hairy sed scripts, when something like; mailboxes `echo $HOME/Mail/*` mailboxes -SPAM -outbox Perhaps it is possible, I just missed it? How about something like: , | echo $HOME/Mail/* | tr " " "\n" | grep -Ev "not wanted" | tr "\n" " " ` Where not wanted is the list of boxes you don't want. eg: ,---- | grep -Ev "SPAM|outbox" ` -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: attaching multiple files with edit-headers
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 05:21:02PM +0200, Eric Smith wrote: And now the question: Is it possible to attach more than a single file in this way? Yes. Have one Attach: header for each file you want to attach. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: Scoring addresses in lbdb
On Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 03:14:03PM +0530, Abhay Ghaisas wrote: I know that lbdb is a separate program and has no direct relation to mutt. So, I think, one possible way it can be done is to add some kind of scoring feature in lbdb and increase the score of selected addressed from some macro magic from mutt every time I select an address. Any ideas? Not exactly an lbdb solution, but, why not simply turn it into a mutt alias instead? The results browser has a `create-alias' function (bound to "a" by default). -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: what is the change folder command offering?
On Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 06:51:11PM +0100, Michael Tatge wrote: Jeff Howie muttered: This is obviously a feature of mutt, and I think it's _GREAT_, but what exactly is the logic of what's going on here. There's no detail in the docs regarding this behavior that I can find. As you describe hitting 'c' always offers the next mailbox with new messages. Next meaning the order given in muttrc. Not quite. It offers you the *first* mailbox that has a new message (the order is dictated by the `mailboxes' command). -- Take a look in Hagbard's World: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.hagbard.demon.co.uk/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards http://www.acemake.com/hagbard/ | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility Free software, including| muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: what is the change folder command offering?
On Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 10:56:51AM -0600, Jeff Howie wrote: This is obviously a feature of mutt, and I think it's _GREAT_, but what exactly is the logic of what's going on here. There's no detail in the docs regarding this behavior that I can find. See section 3.11 of the manual. -- Take a look in Hagbard's World: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.hagbard.demon.co.uk/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards http://www.acemake.com/hagbard/ | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility Free software, including| muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: mailboxes (was Re: spamfilter for procmail)
On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 10:18:31AM +0100, Conor Daly wrote: Incidentally, does anyone know of a way to cycle through the list of folders with new mail on the "c" command. for instance, my Work-related mailboxes are listed before the lists in .muttrc but there's times when I'm expecting a response to a question sent to a list and I'd like a tab key or something to cycle through which mailboxes have new mail. See? :-) See the second paragraph in section 3.11 of the mutt manual. -- Take a look in Hagbard's World: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.hagbard.demon.co.uk/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards http://www.acemake.com/hagbard/ | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility Free software, including| muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: spamfilter for procmail
On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 07:07:05PM +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: Only hassle is that procmailing to block spam is like shutting the stable _after_ the horse has bolted. You've already received the mail ... so any saving in cost is illusory at best (esp with a desktop linux box connected over ppp) I suppose you can call it an illusion but there's something to be said for having UCE dropped into a separate folder (or /dev/null) so you don't have to be bothered with it. I'd call it a "cost saving" in that it becomes a hell of a lot less annoying (and, if you're into reporting such email abuse there is the added benefit of having the email so you can go to work on it). -- Take a look in Hagbard's World: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.hagbard.demon.co.uk/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards http://www.acemake.com/hagbard/ | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility Free software, including| muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: self-destruction
On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 10:21:12AM -0500, the/eXtreme wrote: Is it possible that using hooks to generate different cyber-egos for different recipients could inadvertently shut me out of a news group that I was subscribed to? Could I somehow have set things in .muttrc so that a news group no longer recognizes my postings as coming from me? (Why I'm asking: since I've switched to mutt, I've had several folks tell me they are not getting my emails...). First you talk about news groups, then you talk about email. What exactly is your problem and how does it manifest itself? -- Take a look in Hagbard's World: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.hagbard.demon.co.uk/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards http://www.acemake.com/hagbard/ | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility Free software, including| muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: gpg: Warning: using insecure memory!
On Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 01:43:48PM +0200, Jan Houtsma wrote: I dont know anything ab gpg. After installing a clean RH7.0 which includes mutt-1.2.5i-3 i always get the following warnings if i view a gpg signed message: "gpg: Warning: using insecure memory! gpg: Signature made Mon 09 Oct 2000 02:07:06 AM CEST using DSA key ID FC5C7370 gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found" Prolly gpg is not quite supported or i havent configured it yet? What do i need to suppress this. Have you considered reading the documentation for GPG? For example: ,[ man gpg ] |--no-secmem-warning | Suppress the warning about "using insecure mem | ory". ` -- Take a look in Hagbard's World: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.hagbard.demon.co.uk/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards http://www.acemake.com/hagbard/ | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility Free software, including| muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: gpg: Warning: using insecure memory!
On Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 02:53:52PM +0200, Jan Houtsma wrote: On Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 01:32:52PM +0100, Dave Pearson wrote: Have you considered reading the documentation for GPG? For example: Sure i would consider it if i knew that there was a program like that!! I didnt even know i there was a program called gpg. I thought it was something in mutt! No, gpg is not something inside mutt. It is, however, called from mutt if you configure mutt to do this. So if i knew i would have! That why i was asking the question in the first place. To learn something from others! Thought that was what mailing lists are for! They are, that's why I responded. Wasn't the suggestion to read the manual for gpg helpful? ,[ man gpg ] |--no-secmem-warning | Suppress the warning about "using insecure mem | ory". ` Is this gpg program called by mutt or so? Yes, it can be called by mutt if you (or something who wrote the configuration) told it to do so. Because mutt complains. Is this '--no-secmem-warning' option an option i can pass to mutt then? No, it is an option for GPG. Have a read of the GPG manual. Because i did read that manual, but couldn't find the option. Which manual did you read? Did you do a "man gpg" and have a read of the GPG documentation? -- Take a look in Hagbard's World: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.hagbard.demon.co.uk/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards http://www.acemake.com/hagbard/ | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility Free software, including| muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Minor bug in the manual?
In section 3.6 of the mutt (1.2.5i) manual it says: , | Note: Macro definitions (if any) listed in the help screen(s), are | silently truncated at the screen width, and are not wrapped. ` but if I look in the help screen of my mutt at my macros they *are* wrapped. Is this simply a case of the manual being behind the application? -- Take a look in Hagbard's World: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.hagbard.demon.co.uk/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards http://www.acemake.com/hagbard/ | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility Free software, including| muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: Addressbook For Mutt
On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 03:01:47PM -0700, Pyuesh Daya wrote: Does anybody out there know of an address book that I can use with Mutt. I already am using the Perl script that interface with an Ldap server. I am looking for an address book that I can using locally on My PC !! Have a look at URL:http://www.spinnaker.de/lbdb/. You'll find a pointer to an address book program but you might also find LBDB itself to be useful. -- Take a look in Hagbard's World: | lbdb.el - LBDB interface. http://www.hagbard.demon.co.uk/ | sawfish.el - Sawfish mode. http://www.acemake.com/hagbard/ | uptimes.el - Record emacs uptimes. emacs software, including...| quickurl.el - Recall lists of URLs.
Re: sometimes 'L' works for me. sometimes it doesn't.
On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 10:50:11PM +1100, raf wrote: my ~/.muttrc contains: --- subscribe vim vimdev psst ipchains ipmasq muttuser muttdev netfilter netfilterdev [SNIP] --- when i receive mail containing the following snippets, 'L' does not work. it says "No mailing lists found!" --- To: Mutt User List [EMAIL PROTECTED] mutt-users isn't in your subscribe list. --- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Same again. --- To: Mutt Developers [EMAIL PROTECTED] mutt-dev isn't in your subscribe list. --- To: Jean-Pierre Radley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Mutt Developers [EMAIL PROTECTED] And again. --- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- There is no "masq" in your subscribe list. sometimes the 'L' command works for me. sometimes it doesn't. does anyone know how i can solve this? (mutt version = 1.2.5) Write your subscribe config so that it actually lists the lists. For more details see section 3.9 of the mutt manual. -- Take a look in Hagbard's World: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.hagbard.demon.co.uk/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards http://www.acemake.com/hagbard/ | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility Free software, including| muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: Attachements
On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 06:22:08PM +0200, Andy Spiegl wrote: I also don't have the URL handy, but it should be available in the list archives at least. Possibly also on the Links page at www.mutt.org. I have been using it for a long time and made some small extensions. It's attached to this mail. No idea where the original is, sorry. On my web page. # Changes by Andy Spiegl [EMAIL PROTECTED], 1999, 2000 While changing and distributing is in the spirit of the GPL (and it's the reason I used the GPL) I would suggest that you might want to send me your changes before you think about distributing a version that is different from my own. If for no other reason than I don't want to have to answer questions about software that is different from the version I use locally. ; # $Log: mutt.octet.filter,v $ # Revision 1.2 1999/01/27 17:35:25 davep The current version is 1.6 so you're also distributing a pretty old version. -- Take a look in Hagbard's World: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.hagbard.demon.co.uk/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards http://www.acemake.com/hagbard/ | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility Free software, including| muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: Q: Why no replies to my post??
On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 02:46:21PM +0100, Dave Ewart wrote: My feeling is that quite a large number of people _are_ using the development versions, though ... Just because many people use a development version it doesn't follow that they don't report problems on the development list. You'd expect people who are testing the development version to actually *use* it in places other than the developers mailing list. , | davep@hagbard:~$grep "^User-Agent.*Mutt/1\.3" Mail/mutt | wc -l | 277 | davep@hagbard:~$grep "^User-Agent.*Mutt/1\.2" Mail/mutt | wc -l | 673 ` -- Take a look in Hagbard's World: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.hagbard.demon.co.uk/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards http://www.acemake.com/hagbard/ | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility Free software, including| muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: Is it possible to check multiple pop3 hosts
On Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 02:46:17PM +0100, housebee wrote: I have read the FAQ but could not find any help matching my problem. I hope someone can help me to make it able for me to check more than one pop3 hosts. From section 4.10 of the mutt manual: , | Note: The POP3 support is there only for convenience, and it's rather | limited. If you need more functionality you should consider using a | specialized program, such as fetchmail ` -- Take a look in Hagbard's World: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.hagbard.demon.co.uk/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards http://www.acemake.com/hagbard/ | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility Free software, including| muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: News support in mutt
On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 08:05:44PM +0930, Brian Salter-Duke wrote: I like to save postings as e-mail messages. With slrn I used to mail them to myself. Now I can just save them in a mail folder. slrn can save posts to a file that mutt will recognise as an mbox folder. I've been doing this for ages. I use slrn for news but I use mutt to review past posts. IIRC, by default, posts go to ~/News/posts and email replies get record in ~/News/replies. I have symlinks to them from my ~/Mail directory. [Rummage] Ahh, here are the entries in ~/.slrnrc that control this, perhaps they aren't defaults after all: ,[ Excerpt from my ~/.slrnrc ] | % Save posts and replies | set save_posts "News/posts" | set save_replies "News/replies" ` I know this doesn't address your wider question of having nntp support in mutt but I thought it worth pointing out that your method of saving posts to a mail folder was long-winded when slrn can do it directly for you. -- Take a look in Hagbard's World: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.hagbard.demon.co.uk/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards http://www.acemake.com/hagbard/ | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility Free software, including| muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: lbdb-fetchaddr and secondary DB
On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 02:49:25PM -0600, Charles Curley wrote: I would think you would be more likely to get a useful answer on the lbdb lists or newsgroups than on this one. Is there a lbdb mailing list? -- Take a look in Hagbard's World: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.hagbard.demon.co.uk/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards http://www.acemake.com/hagbard/ | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility Free software, including| muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: lbdb m_gpg
On Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 01:21:00PM -0400, David T-G wrote: pub 1024D/AFEFC23B 2000-06-29 jimh [EMAIL PROTECTED] sub 4096g/ED49589E 2000-06-29 pub 1024D/401A068F 1998-09-03 PHXMGNT [EMAIL PROTECTED] sub 2048g/12BE4CB3 1998-09-03 (to set the stage). Running lbdbq using only m_gpg, however, only returns the PHXMGNT key, which is a real bummer since it's the old one. The m_pgp module of lbdb doesn't return keys, it returns email addresses. Why does it matter which key was used to select the address, both keys have the same address? Any idea what's up this time? I don't think I could be storing my keys in the wrong format ;-) The only "problem" here is that you're focusing on keys when you really should be concerning yourself with email addresses. -- Take a look in Hagbard's World: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.hagbard.demon.co.uk/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards http://www.acemake.com/hagbard/ | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility Free software, including| muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: little big brother db
On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 07:20:53PM -0700, Jason Helfman wrote: My local file was unchecked, but the global file works fine. And when I entered and configure to use m_palm after loading and installing the perl files, then performing a query... I received this information back: Waiting for response.../usr/local/bin/lbdbq: unexpected EOF while looking for `"' And that is all..I exit mutt. No core file... I am just using pilot-xfer to a local db of $HOME/.pilot/... Have you configured lbdb to tell m_palm to look in your ~/.pilot/ directory and have you told it what to look for in there? How did you tell it? Also, have you got the Palm::PDB and Palm::Address perl modules installed? What happens if you run palm_lsaddr by hand? For example: , | davep@hagbard:/usr/local/lib$ ./palm_lsaddr ~/.jpilot/AddressDB.pdb ` Do you get output? -- Take a look in Hagbard's World: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.hagbard.demon.co.uk/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards http://www.acemake.com/hagbard/ | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility Free software, including| muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: Not saving some messages in $record
On Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 01:03:18PM +0100, Chris Green wrote: Is there a simple way to prevent some messages from getting sent to the $record file? For example I'd prefer not to save messages sent to 'abuse@' addresses as I don't want to keep them and they're often large. Use `fcc-hook' and set the fcc target as /dev/null. For example: , | fcc-hook abuse@ /dev/null ` See section 3.15 of the mutt manual for more details. -- Take a look in Hagbard's World: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.hagbard.demon.co.uk/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards http://www.acemake.com/hagbard/ | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility Free software, including| muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Documentation bug regarding `date_format'?
According to section 6.3.27 of the mutt manual (I'm running 1.2.5i here) the variable `date_format' "controls the format of the date printed by the ``%d'' sequence in ``index_format''". Further, section 6.3.73 says that the %d and %D sequences display the date and time of a message "in the format specified by ``date_format''". However, it would appear that `date_format' doesn't (quite rightly?) work for all uses of the `index_format' sequences. For example, `date_format' does affect the output of `attribution' (the documentation of which points the reader to the documentation for `index_format'). Is this a documentation bug? -- Take a look in Hagbard's World: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.hagbard.demon.co.uk/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards http://www.acemake.com/hagbard/ | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility Free software, including| muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
