Re: Autoview images in the pager - w3m
On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 03:18:23PM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote: * Viktor Lakics [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-10-05 12:21]: Has anyone ever tried to work out how to autoview graphics inside mutt? To illustrate the point look at this screenshot: http://lakics.homelinux.net/screenshot/shot.jpg This shows multi-gnome-terminal with a horizontal split, the upper part is running mutt, the lower part is running w3m, which opened up the horizontal split from inside mutt when I right-clicked the appropriate URL. As you can see, w3m shows inline graphics, is very fast, and makes easy to check html pages or urls in sort of text mode. As was wondering whether anyone tried to hack the mailcap, mutt, w3m trio in a way that html messages could be shown in autoview with graphics inside? well, w3m already does what you want - so please use it. all you need is this auto_view text/html in your mutt setup and the following in your mailcap file: text/html ; w3m -dump -force_html %s ; copiousoutput text/htm; w3m -dump -force_html %s ; copiousoutput message/html; w3m -dump -force_html %s ; copiousoutput message/htm ; w3m -dump -force_html %s ; copiousoutput and you probably need a fairly recent version of w3m for this, too. however, w3m's changelog is not very elaborate... more sreenshots about w3m in action: http://www.w3m.org/screenshots.html Sven -- Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] W3M a text browser for the world wide web W3M http://w3m.org and http://w3m.sf.net W3M http://ei5nazha.yz.yamagata-u.ac.jp/~aito/w3m/eng This is *really* nice. I saw the page at http://w3m.org a few months ago. I wrongly concluded that there was no on-going development since the date on w3m.org is: Tuesday August 01, 2000 02:43 P Your reference to http://w3m.sf.net cleared my confusion. Thanks. http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/w3m/w3m-0.3.1.tar.gz?use_mirror=unc The July 2002 release leaves links and lynx looking dusty and beaten. Regards, JPK msg31862/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Autoview images in the pager - w3m
On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, PeterKorman wrote: This is *really* nice. I saw the page at http://w3m.org a few months ago. I wrongly concluded that there was no on-going development since the date on w3m.org is: Tuesday August 01, 2000 02:43 P Your reference to http://w3m.sf.net cleared my confusion. Thanks. http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/w3m/w3m-0.3.1.tar.gz?use_mirror=unc The July 2002 release leaves links and lynx looking dusty and beaten. not really. The inline images are actually windows that overlay the xterm, and are not event-coordinated. So what you're seeing is in effect multiple external viewer windows that are positioned to match the text. Nice - but doesn't exactly make things obsolete. It can be annoying to use w3m in an xterm which is running 'screen'. As is usual, I find that between lynx/w3m/opera/netscape, some sites do not work well on one or more of those. -- T.E.Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
Re: Autoview images in the pager
* Rob Reid ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote this on 10 06, 02 at 02:00: Hi, At 11:58 PM EDT on October 5 Mike Leone sent off: * Rob Reid ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote this on 10 05, 02 at 22:35: Danger, Will Robinson! ;-) At 8:21 AM EDT on October 5 Viktor Lakics sent off: I have a crazy idea, I wanted to ask you about: Has anyone ever tried to work out how to autoview graphics inside mutt? You might know this already, but a common spammer tactic is to include images in their html mails like img src=http://spam.server.com/Viktor_actually_read_this_spam.gif; that let them know that you actually read their spam, *if* you read the message in a graphical browser. From then on you can count on that address receiving the GSSSP (Gross Solar System Spam Product). Most times, yes. But the majority of people actually don't use console based mailers, but graphical ones. And the graphical ones usually show the HTML directly, that is, they don't spawn a browser. Think of Outlook or Eudora. Why does that matter? Each web bug is unique, so any request for it, from anywhere, anything, or anyone, still dooms the address the bug refers to. Because browser programs can (usually) be told to not load images in web pages; embedded browser windows, such as in Outlook and Eudora, don't have such options (I think - I haven't tested to see whether they would honor the full browser config). More annoying are the 1x1 pixel images that you can't even see, that do the same thing. I believe the term is web bug. I wasn't excluding them. Personally, I like the 1x1s better than the garish, bandwidth hogging, CPU killing, animated gifs. ObMutt: Would a macro that 1. autoviews/mailcap displays stuff from trusted senders* or 2. defangs (temporarily, in a display filter way, since untrusted innocents are included) stuff from everyone else necessarily require mutt to understand if statements? * possibly approximated by the aliases file, although you can't trust anyone using untrusted software, no matter how nice they are. -- PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF Member, LEAF Project http://leaf.sourceforge.netAIM: MikeLeone Public Key - http://www.mike-leone.com/~turgon/turgon-public-key.asc Registered Linux user# 201348 msg31623/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Autoview images in the pager - w3m
* Viktor Lakics [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-10-05 12:21]: Has anyone ever tried to work out how to autoview graphics inside mutt? To illustrate the point look at this screenshot: http://lakics.homelinux.net/screenshot/shot.jpg This shows multi-gnome-terminal with a horizontal split, the upper part is running mutt, the lower part is running w3m, which opened up the horizontal split from inside mutt when I right-clicked the appropriate URL. As you can see, w3m shows inline graphics, is very fast, and makes easy to check html pages or urls in sort of text mode. As was wondering whether anyone tried to hack the mailcap, mutt, w3m trio in a way that html messages could be shown in autoview with graphics inside? well, w3m already does what you want - so please use it. all you need is this auto_view text/html in your mutt setup and the following in your mailcap file: text/html ; w3m -dump -force_html %s ; copiousoutput text/htm; w3m -dump -force_html %s ; copiousoutput message/html; w3m -dump -force_html %s ; copiousoutput message/htm ; w3m -dump -force_html %s ; copiousoutput and you probably need a fairly recent version of w3m for this, too. however, w3m's changelog is not very elaborate... more sreenshots about w3m in action: http://www.w3m.org/screenshots.html Sven -- Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] W3M a text browser for the world wide web W3M http://w3m.org and http://w3m.sf.net W3M http://ei5nazha.yz.yamagata-u.ac.jp/~aito/w3m/eng
Re: Autoview images in the pager - w3m
On Sat, 05 Oct 2002 the mental interface of Sven Guckes told: * Viktor Lakics [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-10-05 12:21]: Has anyone ever tried to work out how to autoview graphics inside mutt? [...] As was wondering whether anyone tried to hack the mailcap, mutt, w3m trio in a way that html messages could be shown in autoview with graphics inside? well, w3m already does what you want - so please use it. all you need is this auto_view text/html in your mutt setup and the following in your mailcap file: AFAIK w3m-img doesn't work for vt's. I use sometimes links combined with fbi. zgv should work as well. text/html ; w3m -dump -force_html %s ; copiousoutput text/htm; w3m -dump -force_html %s ; copiousoutput message/html; w3m -dump -force_html %s ; copiousoutput message/htm ; w3m -dump -force_html %s ; copiousoutput text/html ; w3m -dump -force_html %s ; copiousoutput ; \ test=test -n $DISPLAY text/htm ; w3m -dump -force_html %s ; copiousoutput ; \ test=test -n $DISPLAY text/html ; links -T text/html %s # within links you can link an # imageview to i.e fbi text/htm ; links -T text/html %s # within links you can link an # imageview to i.e fbi image/* ; xv %s ; test=test -n $DISPLAY image/* ; fbi %s Same for message/htm* as for text/htm* Ciao Elimar -- Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it! msg31584/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Autoview images in the pager - w3m
On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 03:18:23PM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote: mutt, w3m trio in a way that html messages could be shown in autoview with graphics inside? well, w3m already does what you want - so please use it. ... and you probably need a fairly recent version of w3m for this, too. however, w3m's changelog is not very elaborate... w3m's changelog is like links' - most of the detail is missing, and of what remains, some is useless or simply misleading at best. (however, w3m's graphics are sometimes useful in traversing some sites where the parasites are too intrusive for Netscape or Opera ;-) -- Thomas E. Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
Re: Autoview images in the pager - w3m
On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 04:28:48PM +0200, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: AFAIK w3m-img doesn't work for vt's. I use sometimes links combined with fbi. zgv should work as well. is someone working on zgv again? (the last I looked, it wasn't working that well) -- Thomas E. Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
Re: Autoview images in the pager - w3m
On Sat, 05 Oct 2002 the mental interface of Thomas Dickey told: On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 04:28:48PM +0200, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: AFAIK w3m-img doesn't work for vt's. I use sometimes links combined with fbi. zgv should work as well. is someone working on zgv again? (the last I looked, it wasn't working that well) The latest version from Russell Marks is 5.6. AFAIK released in july/02. Ciao Elimar -- Do you smell something burning or ist it me? msg31594/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Autoview images in the pager - w3m
On Sat, 05 Oct 2002 the mental interface of
Elimar Riesebieter told:
On Sat, 05 Oct 2002 the mental interface of
Sven Guckes told:
* Viktor Lakics [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-10-05 12:21]:
Has anyone ever tried to work out how to autoview graphics inside mutt?
[...]
As was wondering whether anyone tried to hack the mailcap,
mutt, w3m trio in a way that html messages could be shown
in autoview with graphics inside?
well, w3m already does what you want - so please use it.
all you need is this auto_view text/html in your mutt setup
and the following in your mailcap file:
AFAIK w3m-img doesn't work for vt's. [...]
Sorry, this was a wrong suggestion! Via ~/.w3m/mailcap or any other
mailcap defined in w3m's configfile you can bind the imageviewer to
fbi when working on a vt! {getting red cheeks ;-)}
Ciao
Elimar
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Re: Autoview images in the pager - w3m
On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 03:18:23PM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote: : : all you need is this auto_view text/html in your mutt setup : and the following in your mailcap file: : : text/html ; w3m -dump -force_html %s ; copiousoutput : text/htm; w3m -dump -force_html %s ; copiousoutput : message/html; w3m -dump -force_html %s ; copiousoutput : message/htm ; w3m -dump -force_html %s ; copiousoutput message/html? Is this an official MIME entry? -- Eugene Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Autoview images in the pager
On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 10:35:00PM -0400, Rob Reid wrote: : : At 8:21 AM EDT on October 5 Viktor Lakics sent off: : : I have a crazy idea, I wanted to ask you about: Has anyone ever : tried to work out how to autoview graphics inside mutt? : : You might know this already, but a common spammer tactic is to include images : in their html mails like img : src=http://spam.server.com/Viktor_actually_read_this_spam.gif; that let : them know that you actually read their spam, *if* you read the message in a : graphical browser. From then on you can count on that address receiving the : GSSSP (Gross Solar System Spam Product). If you open an HTML email with a web browser with ad-blocking features, you should be okay. Also, you can set your browser to not load images automatically. -- Eugene Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Autoview images in the pager
* Rob Reid ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote this on 10 05, 02 at 22:35: Danger, Will Robinson! ;-) At 8:21 AM EDT on October 5 Viktor Lakics sent off: I have a crazy idea, I wanted to ask you about: Has anyone ever tried to work out how to autoview graphics inside mutt? You might know this already, but a common spammer tactic is to include images in their html mails like img src=http://spam.server.com/Viktor_actually_read_this_spam.gif; that let them know that you actually read their spam, *if* you read the message in a graphical browser. From then on you can count on that address receiving the GSSSP (Gross Solar System Spam Product). Most times, yes. But the majority of people actually don't use console based mailers, but graphical ones. And the graphical ones usually show the HTML directly, that is, they don't spawn a browser. Think of Outlook or Eudora. On Linux, at least, some graphical mailers - for example, Evolution - can be configured not to get images in HTML email at all, or only if the sender is in the address book. This is probably a more pervasive problem on Windows than Linux. Yes, I know there are countermeasures like proxies, defangers, and filtering spam away first, but I thought everyone should know that this path is perilous. More annoying are the 1x1 pixel images that you can't even see, that do the same thing. I believe the term is web bug. -- PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF Member, LEAF Project http://leaf.sourceforge.netAIM: MikeLeone Public Key - http://www.mike-leone.com/~turgon/turgon-public-key.asc Registered Linux user# 201348 msg31614/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Autoview images in the pager
Hi, At 11:58 PM EDT on October 5 Mike Leone sent off: * Rob Reid ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote this on 10 05, 02 at 22:35: Danger, Will Robinson! ;-) At 8:21 AM EDT on October 5 Viktor Lakics sent off: I have a crazy idea, I wanted to ask you about: Has anyone ever tried to work out how to autoview graphics inside mutt? You might know this already, but a common spammer tactic is to include images in their html mails like img src=http://spam.server.com/Viktor_actually_read_this_spam.gif; that let them know that you actually read their spam, *if* you read the message in a graphical browser. From then on you can count on that address receiving the GSSSP (Gross Solar System Spam Product). Most times, yes. But the majority of people actually don't use console based mailers, but graphical ones. And the graphical ones usually show the HTML directly, that is, they don't spawn a browser. Think of Outlook or Eudora. Why does that matter? Each web bug is unique, so any request for it, from anywhere, anything, or anyone, still dooms the address the bug refers to. On Linux, at least, some graphical mailers - for example, Evolution - can be configured not to get images in HTML email at all, As I'd expect... or only if the sender is in the address book. That's pretty clever. Evolution would be tempting if it weren't so...gooey. This is probably a more pervasive problem on Windows than Linux. Definitely, because the average Windows luser is doomed by not bothering to figure out what's going on, but I'm sure that M$ will add a similar image blocking feature if it's not already there. Of course, they'd put themselves and sufficiently high payers on the whitelist. More annoying are the 1x1 pixel images that you can't even see, that do the same thing. I believe the term is web bug. I wasn't excluding them. Personally, I like the 1x1s better than the garish, bandwidth hogging, CPU killing, animated gifs. ObMutt: Would a macro that 1. autoviews/mailcap displays stuff from trusted senders* or 2. defangs (temporarily, in a display filter way, since untrusted innocents are included) stuff from everyone else necessarily require mutt to understand if statements? * possibly approximated by the aliases file, although you can't trust anyone using untrusted software, no matter how nice they are. -- Why don't sheep shrink when it rains? - Jack Handey Robert I. Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/ PGP Key: http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/pgp.html
