Re: adding an attribution-like line for Cc's

2002-01-16 Thread darren chamberlain

Eric Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] said something to this effect on 01/15/2002:
 Occasionally, I Cc an email and the recipient of the Cc assumes
 that the email is directed to them (and not just copied to them).
 Is it possible to add an attribution-like line similar to:
 
 This is a copy of an email sent to main_recipient
 
 Would be nice to have this for Bcc (and bounce)  as well.
 
 A related issue I am having in connection with my hack to have a
 copy of _all_ mails that I send interactively with mutt in a
 single folder.  I have this folder-hook:
 folder-hook . my_hdr X-outgoing: save
 But when I reply to an email (or forward, or bounce), then I do
 not get this header inserted as I want.

Can you get your editor to do it?  It sounds like that might be
the right place for it to happen.

(darren)

-- 
What is ideology but the rationalisation of a vested interest?



adding an attribution-like line for Cc's

2002-01-15 Thread Eric Smith

Occasionally, I Cc an email and the recipient of the Cc assumes
that the email is directed to them (and not just copied to them).
Is it possible to add an attribution-like line similar to:

This is a copy of an email sent to main_recipient

Would be nice to have this for Bcc (and bounce)  as well.

A related issue I am having in connection with my hack to have a
copy of _all_ mails that I send interactively with mutt in a
single folder.  I have this folder-hook:
folder-hook . my_hdr X-outgoing: save
But when I reply to an email (or forward, or bounce), then I do
not get this header inserted as I want.

-- 
Eric Smith



Re: adding an attribution-like line for Cc's

2002-01-15 Thread Gary Johnson

On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 03:39:14PM +0100, Eric Smith wrote:
 Occasionally, I Cc an email and the recipient of the Cc assumes
 that the email is directed to them (and not just copied to them).
 Is it possible to add an attribution-like line similar to:
 
 This is a copy of an email sent to main_recipient
 
 Would be nice to have this for Bcc (and bounce)  as well.

It seems to me that a much better long-term solution would be to
politely explain to these recipients when they make this error, the
meaning of the To and Cc fields.  This would also save them from making
the same mistake with mail from others besides yourself.

Gary

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Gary Johnson   | Agilent Technologies
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   | Spokane, Washington, USA
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Re: adding an attribution-like line for Cc's

2002-01-15 Thread Charles Cazabon

Gary Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 03:39:14PM +0100, Eric Smith wrote:
  Occasionally, I Cc an email and the recipient of the Cc assumes
  that the email is directed to them (and not just copied to them).
  Is it possible to add an attribution-like line similar to:
  
  This is a copy of an email sent to main_recipient
  
  Would be nice to have this for Bcc (and bounce)  as well.
 
 It seems to me that a much better long-term solution would be to
 politely explain to these recipients when they make this error, the
 meaning of the To and Cc fields.  This would also save them from making
 the same mistake with mail from others besides yourself.

It's also impossible to do what the original poster wants; as soon as the
message differs between recipients, it's no longer a cc/bcc; it's a different
message, and has to be injected separately.

Charles
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Re: adding an attribution-like line for Cc's

2002-01-15 Thread Dave Ewart

On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 03:39:14PM +0100, Eric Smith wrote:
 Occasionally, I Cc an email and the recipient of the Cc assumes
 that the email is directed to them (and not just copied to them).
 Is it possible to add an attribution-like line similar to:
 
 This is a copy of an email sent to main_recipient
 
 Would be nice to have this for Bcc (and bounce)  as well.

When I remember, I often do this manually ... I write something like
this ...


Dear MainRecipient,

[CC: CCRecipient]

Blah blah ...


This makes it clear to both the main recipient and the CC recipient that
the message is not just going to one or other of them.  Nothing
automated, but I usually write messages to a single individual or to a
well-defined group (thus no need for CC).

Dave.
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ICRF Cancer Epidemiology Unit, Oxford UK
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Re: adding an attribution-like line for Cc's

2002-01-15 Thread Eric Smith

According to Charles Cazabon on Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 09:35:44AM -0600:
 Gary Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 03:39:14PM +0100, Eric Smith wrote:
   Occasionally, I Cc an email and the recipient of the Cc assumes
   that the email is directed to them (and not just copied to them).
   Is it possible to add an attribution-like line similar to:
   
   This is a copy of an email sent to main_recipient
   
   Would be nice to have this for Bcc (and bounce)  as well.
  
  It seems to me that a much better long-term solution would be to
  politely explain to these recipients when they make this error, the
  meaning of the To and Cc fields.  This would also save them from making
  the same mistake with mail from others besides yourself.
 
It dont seem that way to me.
Email is a commercial tool, not just a techie medium.  People do not
(want to) squint at headers, even things obvious to you and
I, like To: or Cc:
If a bit of programming can make things _more_ obvious, the my
view is that it is a good thing.

 It's also impossible to do what the original poster wants; as soon as the
 message differs between recipients, it's no longer a cc/bcc; it's a different
 message, and has to be injected separately.

So inject it a second time - why all this ideology?  Sendmail
is light enough to be run a few times if needs be.

-- 
Eric Smith



Re: adding an attribution-like line for Cc's

2002-01-15 Thread Gary Johnson

On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 09:03:23PM +0100, Eric Smith wrote:
 According to Charles Cazabon on Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 09:35:44AM -0600:
  Gary Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 03:39:14PM +0100, Eric Smith wrote:
Occasionally, I Cc an email and the recipient of the Cc assumes
that the email is directed to them (and not just copied to them).
Is it possible to add an attribution-like line similar to:

This is a copy of an email sent to main_recipient

Would be nice to have this for Bcc (and bounce)  as well.
   
   It seems to me that a much better long-term solution would be to
   politely explain to these recipients when they make this error, the
   meaning of the To and Cc fields.  This would also save them from making
   the same mistake with mail from others besides yourself.
  
 It dont seem that way to me.
 Email is a commercial tool, not just a techie medium.  People do not
 (want to) squint at headers, even things obvious to you and
 I, like To: or Cc:
 If a bit of programming can make things _more_ obvious, the my
 view is that it is a good thing.

But To and Cc are not techie concepts.  Cc means carbon copy and has
been a part of office memos since carbon paper was invented.  These are
simple concepts used for a long time in the workaday world and now
applied in a very direct, straightforward manner to the new medium of
e-mail.

If people aren't going to pay attention to the To and Cc headers, what
makes you think they are going to pay attention to any other header?  If
some recipients have trouble grasping these concepts, then it would
probably be more effective to include an introductory paragraph in the
body of the message where it can be spelled out in plain English (or
whatever language is appropriate) and where they're sure to see it,
something like,

This memo is really directed to Bob and Susan, but I'm sending a
copy to Mary and Roger as well just for their information.

Gary

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Gary Johnson   | Agilent Technologies
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   | Spokane, Washington, USA
http://www.spocom.com/users/gjohnson/mutt/ |